Big League Censorship? Michigan Attorney General Threatens Criminal Prosecution Over Posting Of Video Alleging Voter Fraud

I have been commenting on the ongoing challenges to the presidential election. While I have not seen evidence of systemic voter fraud, there are hundreds of affidavits alleging localized fraud, including cases of deceased persons voting. The challenges should be heard and the evidence should be examined. However, the most worrisome response came out of Michigan this week where Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel’s Office of Public Information threatened a website, Big League Politics, with criminal prosecution if it did not take down a video of alleged voting fraud. The video may indeed be misleading or false. However, the threat of criminal prosecution by the Michigan Attorney General’s office is a chilling escalation of the crackdown on free speech in this country and the calls for censorship on the Internet.

We have been discussing the calls from top Democrats for increased private censorship on social media and the Internet.  President-elect Joe Biden has himself called for such censorship, including blocking President Donald Trump’s criticism of mail-in voting. Recently, Bill Russo, a deputy communications director on Biden’s campaign press team, tweeted that Facebook “is shredding the fabric of our democracy” by allowing such views to be shared freely.

The calls mirror the trend in Europe where countries like France, Germany, and England have criminalized speech with ever expanding examples of prohibited expressions and views.

The Cease and Desist letter instructs the site to remove all posts, links, and anything similar immediately which correspond with #LeakDetroit.” Assistant Attorney General Danielle Hagaman-Clark states that “failure to comply will result in criminal prosecution.” There is no citation for the penal code provision that makes such an allegation or posting a crime, a standard element in such notice letters.

The letter refers to  false information about how poll workers counted challenged votes prior to 2020 and whether challenged ballots could be taken out of the official count. Again, the claims could well be misleading or false, but I fail to see the ability of Nessel to criminalize such assertions. Political campaigns are often replete with exaggerated claims on both sides.

As have previously discussed how the Supreme Court in cases like United States v. Alvarez has repeatedly found such criminalization of alleged speech to be unconstitutional. The position reminds me of the English view that speaking ill of the government must be prohibited. As the Court held in Alvarez:

The theory of our Constitution is “that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market,” Abrams v. United States, 250 U. S. 616, 630 (1919) (Holmes, J., dissenting). The First Amendment itself ensures the right to respond to speech we do not like, and for good reason. Freedom of speech and thought flows not from the beneficence of the state but from the inalienable rights of the person. And suppression of speech by the government can make exposure of falsity more difficult, not less so. Society has the right and civic duty to engage in open, dynamic, rational discourse. These ends are not well served when the government seeks to orchestrate public discussion through content-based mandates.

Justice Breyer noted in his concurrence in Alvarez that our constitutional protections comport with “the common understanding that some false statements are inevitable if there is to be an open and vigorous expression of views in public and private conversation, expression the First Amendment seeks to guarantee.” Likewise, in New York Times v. Sullivan, the Court noted that “[the] erroneous statement is inevitable in free debate.”.

Lord Chief Justice John Holt, in a 1704 sedition trial, said it was absurd that speakers and writers “should not be called to account for possessing the people with an ill-opinion of the government, no government can subsist.  For it is very necessary for all governments that the people should have a good opinion of it.”

The calls for censorship and criminalization of speech have become a rallying cry for liberals in the United States. Even academics now embrace speech codes and censorship. The erosion of free speech on social media and the Internet includes calls from leading Democratic leaders for years to implement private censorship of political speech, a view supported by academics who have declared that “China was right” about censorship.  The concerns over Nessel’s threat are magnified by the fact that the allegation challenges the results of the elections favoring her own party and political allies. If such a posting is a crime, what would stop Nessel from prosecuting the New York Times or Fox News for such videos or alleged whistleblower evidence?

The threat of criminal prosecution should be immediately withdrawn by Nessel and her office.

 

298 thoughts on “Big League Censorship? Michigan Attorney General Threatens Criminal Prosecution Over Posting Of Video Alleging Voter Fraud”

  1. Hmmm, “liberals” are calling for censorship, which means they’re not liberals at all. “Liberal” means “free” and those who claim to be “liberal” are not interested in freedom at all. They want power. As far as they’re concerned, “freedom of the press” only applies to leftists.

    1. Sam, both sides want power.

      There is no greater expression of a raw power grab than McConnell refusing to allow votes on Merrick Garland and people nominated to fill lower court vacancies.

      1. Don’t be such a nitwit. Everyone wants power. The question is what do they want to do with it. The People give power to the House to express their will. They give power to the Senate to express the will of the state. The power exercised by McConnell was constitutional and it was an expression of the will of the states through the People. Had it not been representative of the will of the states, the People had the opportunity to vote in different representation in the 2016 election. They kept the Senate under GOP control.

        Democrats have already told the American people what they will do if they have total power. And there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that they will use any means necessary to get it.

        1. McConnell isn’t the Senate. He is a single Senator who engaged in a raw power grab.

  2. Next take away your guns and the right to defend yourself against the new fascist police force after they defund the present one

  3. We all knew it was coming – Bruno Ghanz in the bunker as Trump hearing election results.

    Here you go:

    1. Last sentence- shouldn’t it read “her” office rather than “his” office? Great article, as usual.

  4. NESSEL is a CARD CARRYING DICTATOR/THUG using her AG Office to do what I say and screw the law and the Constitution. She is a TRUMP HATER. She is afraid of the truth and the truth indicates Michigan Voting was Corrupt from the beginning. She is a side kick of DICTATOR WHITMER who thinks she is QUEEN do as I say.

    Lets see what happens in Court. Suspect Courts are going to rule in Trumps favor and we are going to find a rats ness of corruption in Michigan voting.

  5. Brace yourselves! The trend is heavily toward an assault on our First Amendment rights concerning ‘ freedom of speech ‘ once the Biden juggernaut gets rolling !  Criticism will come in the form of ‘ Hate Speech ‘ accusations. Chilling, indeed!

  6. Look at these two screen shots closely and you’ll see 19,958 votes removed from Trump and added to Biden. This is electronic election fraud and is commonplace.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iywjrHJex51RQU4TcyUj81_SJP3WpH4c/view?usp=sharing
    Pic 1

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nG6zC-nRSEaTKFjI3Q0YmnFZU5Q_KSsK/view?usp=sharing
    Pic 2

    youtube.com/watch?v=ynchhdyKLSc

    An explanation of election fraud is here:
    youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A

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  7. We have a choice, not an echo.

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  8. Also, AG Nessel’s edict is the Government’s prior restraint of pure speech. That would demand strict scrutiny. SCOTUS has never approved of a Government edict under a strict scrutiny analysis (regarding pure speech). So, to say that AG Nessel betrays her inflated aspirations and an utter absence of self-consciousness (and the feeling of insularity) is to suggest the obvious.

  9. Mr. Turley, I think you need to think on a bit wider scale to allow yourself to fully grasp the overwhelming evidence of systemic voter fraud.

    It requires a deep dive into data exposing voting fraud anomalies. These anomalies are so credible, statistical impossibilities, they pass the threshold, whether that be preponderance of evidence or beyond a reasonable doubt, I don’t know. But there are statisticians who have exposed these anomalies and they are extremely obvious, which should cause large tranches of votes to be discarded.

    Cultural husbandry, @Apilosophae on Twitter, he’s a good place to start. I’m sure you’re now way ahead of me on this, thanks for listening. Barry Hull

    1. So far, all of Trump’s suits alleging fraud have been dismissed for lack of evidence of fraud.

      How do you account for that, Barry?

          1. Your comments are based on a mindset lighter than thin air, so let that fact sink in to your wee bit brain

    2. Turley debates free speech….which must be considered in the broadest way possible….not in very scope limited details of the individual issue way.

      He objects to the open attack by the Left on any speech it deems different than its own views and that government should not be criticized (so long as it is “their” government anyway).

      Our Nation was founded on exactly the notion that Government should be subject to criticism by the People….as we over threw the yoke of an oppressive government in order to found our own.

      If the People grant power to the government as we believe then how can government object to the People examining its actions and policies?

      The Left as usual….want their own facts and their own interpretation of their own facts to be their own.

      Dissenters are not allowed in their utopian view.

      The fallacy of their ways shall be what causes their eventual fall from grace….which we see beginning to happen.

    3. By the way, let’s be truthful and not misleading: Joe Biden is NOT a President Elect, just yet! He is leading the Democratic Party as Trump leads the Republican Party and is The President until January 18th 2021.

    4. Cultural Husbandry appears to be full of shit. I saw make claims illustrated by charts that flatly contradicted his claims. I want Trump to win, but he needs to get it together.

  10. There is Brandeis’ famous statement: “Sunlight is . . . the best of disinfectants.”

    Then there is its opposite: Darkness breeds black mold — and corruption.

  11. Aldous Huxley wrote, in “Brave New World Revisited,” this: “[w]e know that it is unsafe to allow power to be concentrated in the hands of a ruling oligarchy; nevertheless power is in fact being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.” That was written in 1958. We have now come to a place where the Bureau of Information Control and Propaganda (I made that up, and think it is accurate, de facto), now that it has been monopolized by the Global (Silicon Valley – High Tech) Oligarchy, is sending out its tentacles in Fahrenheit 451 fashion to anti-Constitutionalists like Attorney General Nessel – who either never read the First Amendment, or (which is more likely) disregards it. I think Government Actors like AG Nessel are emboldened by the fact that the left own the machinery of the world’s information control. Her State Action is not as much an anomaly as it is a harbinger.

  12. “However, the most worrisome response to these allegations came out of Michigan this week where Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel’s Office of Public Information threatened a website, Big League Politics, with criminal prosecution if it did not take down a video of alleged voting fraud.”
    *********************************************
    Anybody can bring a frivolous case (and get sued for it later) but only the judge can let it proceed.

    1. Volokh, as usual, frames a good analysis and it supports the argument that this AG has overstepped established legal boundaries. She has no legal authority to issue a threat of this nature. Indeed, I suspect that she may have opened herself to some personal liability for wrongfully using the color of law to suppress lawful speech

  13. More of the famous leftist tolerance that we keep hearing about. We need these morally superior folks to guide us deplorables on what is acceptable thinking. One thing is CERTAIN, European style hate speech laws and/or censorship will come to the United States sooner or later. And no matter how “progressive” one may consider themselves otherwise, these leftists will call you a “nazi” also merely for supporting free speech (and this includes you JT).

    antonio

  14. It’s a dark, dark morning for the Witherspoon psyche, the optimist in me is completely suppressed right now and the pessimist in me is in full control.

    There are so many openly anti-Constitutional, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-civility and anti rule of law things being done and said by political leaders and common citizens across the USA and it’s been going on for so long now that I really am to the point that I truly and actually believe that all the societal signs are showing us that the United States of America is on it’s way towards some form of totalitarian styled socialism/communism and it will likely happen in my lifetime. It’s now become politically correct, a social norm and in some places it’s to be expected to be anti-Constitution, anti-American, anti-Democracy, anti-republic, anti-rule of law, anti-civility, anti we’re in this together, etc; the foundations of the USA have all been undermined in the psyche of a huge swath of the public; I think we’re done. Biden’s statement’s about unity, Republicans are not our enemies and working together in peace are a rhetorical smoke screen from an empty suit puppet of the extreme political left. Republicans or anyone that opposes the far left’s rise to power are being shunned as a social outcasts, they will be the USA equivalent to the Jews in Germany in the 1930’s. What form of Scarlet Letter do you think the left’s opposition (half of the voting population) will be forced to display on their clothing? They’ve been projecting their recruiting methods for a while now, if you’re not actively and publicly advocating for their side then you are a racist, you’re either pro them or you’re against them, there is no in middle ground.

    What will the left call their brown shirts and Nazi youth brigades?

    Since the political left’s way has shown to be that it’s their way or the highway, the only thing that will turn this around is either limited armed insurrection or full blown civil war. At this point looking forward I truly believe that the political right will either be forced to lay down their arms or they will be forced to use them – I really do think it’s inevitable.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m really not advocating for war of any kind, in fact I “hope” we can turn the tables on this and put a sudden stop to the far left’s extremist goals for another hundred years or more, I just don’t see how it can be accomplished. My hope is dead this morning.

    Maybe a couple of cups of coffee will lift this morning’s veil of darkness and improve the psyche.

    1. SMH that you look at Biden’s election and see only “an empty suit puppet of the extreme political left.”

      Biden is a moderate, and he is not an empty suit.

      1. CommitToHonestDiscussion wrote, “Biden is a moderate, and he is not an empty suit.”

        You’re welcome to your opinion.

        If Biden does ultimately win this election, we’ll see if he kowtows to the extremists like I think he will. Time will tell us who’s correct.

      2. But his mind is diseased with Dementia and his running mate is a Radical Leftist…..which equates to an empty suit and a puppet of the extreme political Left.

      3. Biden presents as feeble and fragile. His conciliatory calls for unity are totally unmoored from the reality of the past four years. How ironic that the man referred to by the media as the President-Elect is able to overlook the capers of high level Obama administration officials in their efforts to prevent a duly elected President from governing the nation and now expect full support. Read PROFILES IN CORRUPTION by Peter Schweitzer. The author devotes the first chapter to Kamala Harris. She is an embarrassment to the legal profession.

    2. Don’t be afraid of death, we all die anyhow. The people can live on, if the oligarchy is broken

      War is actually hopeful, because, we would have some advantages. Under ‘peace” we only have creeping enslavement.

      We are in a low intensity conflict with billionaires and their lackeys. They have the power of king midas, in the Federal Reserve, and the power of endless robots in the form of “algos” from Silicon Valley, easily duplicable and controllable robotic algorithms, ie robots. And they have the megaphone of legacy mass media, too. They have the schools and universities. Our only advantage , is in our physical bodies and strength, and in our social unity which can make it into tools that can be used for freedom.

      Global capitalists ie your 700 American billionaires, teamed up in this election with Silicon Valley and the other mass media, to game the election, by any and all means, legal or not.

      They have a weakness. They are in bodies too. Like us, But behind many walls, and much security.

      They should be physically attacked. With the power of law, society’s means of mass organization. Attack them and punish them and expropriate their money before we are all their slaves forever. With new laws, we can crush the oligarchs. It is possible. We must envision it happening.

      Not “the Democrats.” No, not the “Left,” etc etc. 330 other millions of American divided such as they are, are not the enemy. even if they do mischief, they are just hired hands and pawns and mercenaries. No look to the true “owners” of the American system to find our foe. Ah, did you think we were the owners? That is just a lie. The true owners are: the billionaires

      Look to the top. The billionaires. Nearly all those billionaires, could be wiped out and society would only benefit. Only a handful are socially useful. Let’s grant Elon Musk makes things. What about the rest. All endless computer geekery and financial games. None of that will be necessary anymore in a the coming age of decentralized finance. They are obsolete.,

      Yes, pretty much those 700 billionaires. Especially the top ten. Those are the enemy. The enemy of the people. They must be crushed. If the American state continues to let them run wild, then the whole state will be corrupted. True political leaders of any party must join together in this one goal: crush the billionaires. Maybe they can’t say this. But they must do it. We all understand it is necessary if we will ever have a truer democracy, to address the asymmetric power of billionaires.

      Just watch the run off in Georgia. Watch as they dump another 100 million into the tv stations for ads to win it. This is a reprehensible state of affairs.

      They say the First amendment and citizens united allows it. Ok well then, sure, that is the law but let the law be changed. Lets get rid of that First amendment. Overhaul that thing. The case law stinks, and the words have failed in their essential purpose. The people can write new law, it is not holy write. I don’t think it’s protecting us anymore just the billionaires. If we need to change it to get to them, then it must be done. Save the nation by destroying the parasite which has seized our nervous system and turned the body politic into a zombie. Bring the nation back to life.

      Saloth Sar

      1. Kurtz, you should take your meds too.

        Written about Trump, but fits you too:

        “It’s like dealing with a lunatic on the subway. Everyone just kind of sits and stares ahead, pretends they can’t hear him, and waits for him to eventually get off,”

        1. Joe licks the boots of his masters. How sad for you Joe, that you identify so strongly with Team A. I identify with Team B, more so, but we understand the billionaires control the system, they hire the umpires, they issue the tickets and they cancel them, and they own the stadium. It’s they who are the enemy, not you, not even your cherished top player Joe Biden and top cheerleader Kamala. You are just a nobody not quite so different from me, another faceless nobody, or anybody else here typing out their thoughts. We are all peasants and nobodies and our vote is trivial compared to billions of spendable dollars that can buy elections. No, we should aim for the top. We should wipe them out.

          But we understand you think they are good massas for you! Maybe you got a place up in de big house?

          https://www.statista.com/chart/20944/2020-dem-candidates-billionaire-donors/

          Yes Trump must be crazy, because he fought the billionaire class. Maybe since he was near the bottom of the list, if on it at all,. it annoyed him when he understood how powerful they were?

          There has not been another rich man in America like Trump since Ross Perot, and perhaps before both of them, the great FDR
          Another historic enemy of the American plutocracy.
          More are coming. Eventually we will win

          Saloth Sar

          1. You’re deluded Mr Kurtz. Trump didn’t fight the billionaire class. He gave them a huge tax break.

          2. Yeah sure Kurtz, whatever you say. The guy who cut corporate rates by 1/3 while trying to gut health care and food stamps while fighting minimum wage increases and lowering farm workers pay, and made a guy who made a killing on the subprime crisis as Treasury Sec, an insider trader as Commerce Sec an Amway heir as Education Sec, and coal and gas lobbyists at Energy and the EPA, is a real enemy of the rich – got it. I guess he was lying when he told his fat cat guests after the tax bill, “I just made you all a lot of money”.

      2. “They say the First amendment and citizens united allows it. Ok well then, sure, that is the law but let the law be changed. Lets get rid of that First amendment. Overhaul that thing. The case law stinks, and the words have failed in their essential purpose. The people can write new law, it is not holy write. I don’t think it’s protecting us anymore just the billionaires. If we need to change it to get to them, then it must be done. Save the nation by destroying the parasite which has seized our nervous system and turned the body politic into a zombie. Bring the nation back to life.”

        This is exactly the kind of anti-Constitution garbage that I was talking about in my comment. If the Constitution prevents you from getting your way then you want to change the Constitution; this is irrational anti-Constitutional, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-civility and anti rule of law magical thinking. It’s also shows completely ignorance and lack of respect for the Constitution and its purpose.

        No! Getting rid of the Constitution, or parts of the Constitution, because it prevents you and others from stripping rights from people you oppose is NOT the correct path to unity, sanity or safety, it will lead to civil war. Your kind of thinking is ends justifies the means garbage and based on open bigotry. Your kind of thinking to suppress the rights of those you oppose translated into actions will be an enemy to the Constitution.

        Bigotry: obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

        Bigot: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

        1. blah blah here is Steve a goodly American honoring the constitution and its amendments

          that’s swell steve but lets take a closer look

          ” If the Constitution prevents you from getting your way then you want to change the Constitution…ignorance”

          first off Steve I have read hundreds of SCOTUS cases and I have invoked them in court. i have not just talked about it for free, I’ve talked about it for money. Im anything but ignorant about it

          what you and conservatives and other patriots fail to understand or perhaps simply often forget

          1. IT CAN BE AMENDED BY THE POLITICAL PROCESS. Congress of the states may amend it. I’m raising the question of how the constitution can be amended to cancel out the power of billionaires over our political process. See, there is a case Citizens United, that is a correct understanding of free speech, but over time, I’m coming to think, while it is correct on the First amendment, maybe the First Amendment is what needs an overhaul. It’s not the Bible; it can be changed. You don’t like that, but it is not ignorance, it is rather, a correct statement of law and politics and history. Laws can be change.

          2. Laws which are the culmination of the political process, are ALWAYS manifestation of power of some over others. The winners over the losers. That is the nature of government politics and law. God’s role is unseen, but what we can see tells us: those who win, make the laws. Now they may win by elections or by cases or by simony or by war; but they are always a consequence of the victory of some over others.
          That is reality. Laws are the rules by which the government, whatever government, imposes its force. Whether just or not, right or wrong, they are rules. Wake up Steve, I have seen many patriotic people refuse to recognize this reality. I struggled against this truth in my youth as well

          3. I advocate we CHANGE THE LAW TO GET THE BILLIONAIRES. Get them; strip them; rip them. They have bought off the Democrat party leadership, before Trump they had the Republicans in their pocket too. Throughout most of American history every law including the foundational law of the constitution, most of all, protected the richest element against all the rest. That is the essence of liberalism which is founded on property rights and the other notions like free speech which derive from it. Now these billionaires which hate Trump and fear we the people, mislead the people via mass media, social media, and education, which they either directly own or indirectly control. They have also bought off a process with voter fraud through their many downstream mercenaries, which robbed the people of an election night victory. Hence, the billionaires are the enemy of the people., and they need to be defanged.

          I am willing to consider changing laws to “get” them. I have no problem if someone calls me crazy, ignorant, pinko, commie, fascist, extreme right, extreme left, whatever. Those are all scare tactics, to keep people from distilling this to the one essential purpose that I have made clear. NEUTRALIZE THE BILLIONAIRES. It’s clear that to a large degree, they keep us all divided for one single purpose: so we do not unite against them. Trump was very popular, in spite of 4 years of Deep state persecutions, in spite of nonstop mass media conditioning, in spite of endless harassment of his supporters, he is finally, a REAL THREAT to American plutocracy. So, they had to fix the election. To keep the nation divided, and stem the push of American nationalism which necessarily would eventually clip their wings– more than already done. They had to stop him and even at the risk of people finding out about the massive vote fraud that actually has been afoot in many an election in our past. Now, finally, unmasked. Will it be worth it for them? We gonna find out

          Which is precisely what we should do. See, giving them a haircut won’t hurt us. But letting them buy every political contest, will definitely hurt us. In the long run, I want government to help the people, not hurt us, and 700 American billionaires gotta go, then they gotta go. Kick them in the teeth, defang them, neutralize them, and everything else we need to do, will be a lot, lot easier

          Saloth Sar

          1. Thank you for literally confirming what I wrote with unethical rationalizations and doubling down on bigotry; got it.

            “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

        2. bigot: a person who has sufficient knowledge or wisdom or experience, to understand social groups and relations, understand who is the oppressor, and act accordingly. of course, bigotry is a bad word which powerful people use to scare folks from doing what’s smart.

          bigotry: a form of wise thought and action, which billionaires always prohibit so that they and their money are safe

          “individualism” is precisely what stops a sufficient number of people from coming together to destroy their oppressors

          in our case, billionaires are our oppressors. they should be destroyed

          –Saloth Sar

          1. And now you’re literally b a s t a r d i z i n g definitions and showing bigotry.

            Again; “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

  15. Yet it’s the Republicans who are the Fascists? Perhaps someone could explain this to me…

  16. When Biden takes office, there will be no holds barred. The next AG will likely take the suppression of free speech to new heights. It is sad that people voted for Biden because they hated Trump, with no thought of the consequences.

    1. The consequences of a 2nd Trump term were to dire. As a Democrat, I was beginning to fear for my life with his rhetoric pitting one half of the nation against the other. Thankfully, Biden does not engage in such rhetoric. I don’t have any hope for meaningful change over the next 4 years, but Biden will bring civility back to the office. A president that repeatedly insults women, makes fun of the disabled, tells people not to ‘worry’ about Coronavirus, and installs his relatives and yes-men in positions of power regardless of their qualifications, as Trump has done, is a danger to both you and me and our democracy. Read your history.

      1. Cuinn, how did Trump make you “fear for your life”? Exactly what happened since 2016 that made your tenuous existence any more fraught? Did gays lose some rights? Did blacks? did women? Did Latinos? Did anyone? Your weak-kneed hyperbole makes you sound silly and unserious.

        It is people like Cuinn and his/her fears that gives us little tyrants like the AG of the story. It is these little people that make our cherished First Amendment at a greater risk than it has been in eons. (No hyperbole!).

      2. Cuinn

        what got trump in trouble was not pitting us against each other, it was picking a fight with billionaires

        one would think that all the supposed leftists and marxists could figure this out, but, I find that the left wing and marxist education I received years ago at university, was a better than 99% of whatever crud you guys got, so I can see what most do not. You like others have been deluded into thinking you were helping the workers. and so when a rich man came and actually did help the workers, you missed the point.

        how? principally 3 ways. ways that irritated 700 American billionaires, badly

        1. trade war with China. why? billionaires want their cheap importing rackets exploiting Chinese workers to continue. big money!

        2. immigration restriction. this was good most of all for unskilled American workers. it caused a modest wage increase for domestic labor to begin. billionaires hate that! they want more cheap labor across the spectrum. illegals at the bottom, and H1B foreign programmers too.

        3. modest tax cuts in various places. this helped the middle class and the workers. a lot of lies from the press that it was for the rich. trust me the billionaires have a thousand ways around any tax. we don’t. his tax cut helped put money in the pockets.

        So they hate him and impressionable fools, ever conditioned by the billionaire lackeys in mass media, social media, and university, believed that he was an enemy of the worker instead of their champion.

        Well, he could have done more to be a champion, and the next guy should. We know that won’t be biden. he is a hired hand.

        https://www.statista.com/chart/20944/2020-dem-candidates-billionaire-donors/

        Saloth Sar

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