Just as you thought that the 2020 election could not get more bizarre, the controversy in Wayne County over the certification of the election took a new turn on Wednesday after two Republicans — Monica Palmer and William C. Hartmann, on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers sought to rescind their votes to certify. They claim that they were coerced by threats against them and their families by Democratic voters. The threats against Palmer and Hartmann are all-too-familiar in an election where Democratic members are calling for blacklists and others denounce any questioning of the Biden victory as akin to “Holocaust denial.” The Lincoln Project has led a national effort to harass any lawyers who represent Republicans or the Trump campaign. While it will be difficult to rescind such a vote, the silence in the media and from Democratic leaders on this harassment is chilling. Indeed, Democratic leaders have joined in the personal attacks.
The errors seem to be minor and certainly not enough to alter any outcome. They are in all likelihood clerical or human error. It is not clear why the errors were not corrected and could not simply be quickly addressed after the two officials raised them. In terms of changing the outcome, this may be a tempest in a teapot but why have a tempest at all? I still do not understand why the counts were not corrected since officials have acknowledged errors. Instead, the objections to the errors triggered a campaign of abuse.
The two canvassers signed affidavits that they were hit with a torrent of threats against them and their families after they demanded that the board address irregularities in what they said were 71% of Detroit’s 134 absent voter counting boards. They were hit with personal attacks calling them racists and cult members. In a familiar campaign of post-election intimidation, they were doxxed and attacked. The Lincoln Project (which is supported by thousands of lawyers and law firms) was blocked on Twitter in using such abusive tactics against individual Republican lawyers.
The two officials were instantly declared racist because the county has such a large African-American voting base: “Monica Palmer and William Hartmann took their hoods off yesterday in their initial assertions that the county certify every city’s vote except for Detroit.” They were called cult members and their telephone numbers and addresses shared in a doxxing campaign.
Ned Staebler, chief executive of TechTown, lashed out at the two officials in asking for the correction of the errors: “The Trump stain, the stain of racism that you, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer, have covered yourself in, is going to follow you throughout history.” He added that the two officials would “forever be known in southeastern Michigan as two racists who did something so unprecedented that they disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Black voters in the city of Detroit.”
One of those attacking the two officials was Rep.-elect Abraham Aiyash, D-Detroit. Aiyash declared:
“You are certainly showing that you are a racist. You may say that you are not, you may claim that you are not, but let’s be very clear. Your words today and your actions today made it clear that you are OK with silencing the votes of an 80% African American city . . . What that tells us is you Ms. Monica Palmer of Grosse Pointe Woods, which has a history of racism, are deciding to enable and continuing to perpetuate the racist history of this country. And I want you to think about what that means for your kids, who probably go to Grosse Pointe North, and when they see all their Black classmates and they know that… their mother, or their grandmother, their aunt, decided to say, in this democracy in this American project, that is not perfect but we have to work toward perfecting it, I’m going to be comfortable sleeping at night knowing that I silenced the votes of so many people.”
They were also attacked by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer: “In refusing to approve the results of the election in Wayne County, the two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers have placed partisan politics above their legal duty to certify the election results.”
Some individuals went further to threaten the officials and their families, a growing occurrence in the country. Yesterday, I spoke to a group of Republican lawyers who recounted how bomb attacks and other violent threats have been directed at them and their families. The Lincoln Project and various lawyers have led efforts to intimidate lawyers and their clients.
It worked in Michigan. The two officials reversed their votes, but said that they did so under an agreement that the Secretary of State would conduct an audit. Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson however reportedly later said the audit request was not binding. Palmer stated that she “felt misled.”
The signed affidavits trying to “rescind” these votes will face serious obstacles. Board vice chairman Jonathan Kinloch has already stated that the board considers the votes “binding.” He noted that there was also a vote waiving any reconsideration of the certification.
I do not see a court undoing those votes even with the sworn statements on the campaign of threats and abuse directed against them and their families.
The officials could add their affidavits to alleging of election irregularities and they can ask for criminal investigations into any personal threats.
There have also been threats reported by Democratic officials in states like Arizona that should be equally condemned. We are allowing the most radical elements of our politics to shape our dialogue as a nation in the aftermath of one of the most divisive elections in history.
What is missing however are calls in the media or from Democratic leaders to end such campaign of intimidation and abuse by groups like The Lincoln Project. While President-elect Joe Biden has called for unity and healing, he has said nothing about the campaign against Trump campaign lawyers and their clients. He has said nothing about reports of violent threats against officials or lawyers tied to election challenges. No law firms or lawyers have publicly withdrawn their support for the Lincoln Project after it pledged half a million dollars to hound and harass lawyers. The silence speaks loudly to our loss of civility, decency, and professionalism as a nation.
Article could’ve been a lot shorter if you just posted you’re worried about the Lincoln Project getting up on you, Turley.
“It is not clear why the errors were not corrected and could not simply be quickly addressed after the two officials raised them.”
Because a guilty dog always barks first, and loudest, Jonathan.
Were the Democrats not guilty of massive widespread election fraud they would have had no problem quickly addressing the so-called “errors”.
But they know that they are guilty as hell. So they don’t anyone looking into any alleged “errors”, because they know there are a lot more of those types of “errors” that all favor Biden, over Trump.
As to the accusations of racism.
Now that they think Biden has won, the useful black idiots supporting the Marxist led Black Lives Matters are suddenly denouncing their white Trustafarian Antifa partners in crime.
“Black Activists In Portland “Want Nothing To Do” With The City’s Leftist Anarchists”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/black-activists-portland-want-nothing-do-citys-leftist-anarchists
“I’m tired of liberal complacency,” one protester said, as the group started chanting “F*ck Joe Biden!” and marched toward the city’s Democratic headquarters.”
To quote J.D. Salinger; “It is poetry in its purest form”.
The hoodlums are splitting and gonna form the bloods and crips? That sounds so exciting. Thanks for sharing the news.
A vote made under threat of violence, coercion or by fraudulent promise is no vote at all. That’s clear. These simpleton Republicans on the Board should have stuck to their guns. Now we have a lawsuit. We either have people with moral courage or we don’t. The two Dims on the board obviously have none seemingly by definition. The Repubs should have. Republics fall primarily from fear of conflict not actual conflict.
Jim Sciutto: “Pay attention: ‘Giuliani has told Trump & associates his ambition is to pressure GOP lawmakers & officials across the political map to stall the vote certification in an effort to have Republican lawmakers pick electors & disrupt the electoral college.’”
Quoting from a Washington Post article: https://t.co/bz5VRvnsnG
Jake Tapper: “The president and the RNC have been clear that they are trying to concoct ways to overturn the results of a free and fair democratic election. And if you’re a GOP official affirming the integrity of the election — @C_C_Krebs @GaSecofState @Commish_Schmidt — they will attack you.”
Trump fired Krebs. He will fire anyone he can who puts their oath of allegiance to the Constitution ahead of personal loyalty to Trump. I look forward to him being out of office in January.
He fired Krebs because Krebs is a Mole.
Trump has allowed for far too many of those.
We fired Trump, in addition to his staggering corruption and incompetence, because he’s a Russian mole.
FIFY.
Rhodes is a Russian troll.
Agree. Jenna Ellis is a shameless soul who makes Trump look bad. He should have never allowed her anywhere near him/his administration. His error, I’m sorry to say. She is no good.
” Josh Hawley, who owns a house in Virginia, uses sister’s home as Missouri address
“… Hawley’s office did not answer questions about whether the senator is paying his sister rent, how many nights he has stayed at the Ozark property or his decision to use the address for his voter registration. … The Congressional Integrity Project, a Democratic-aligned group that investigates Republican senators, alleged in an October report that Hawley’s decision to register at his sister’s home could be a potential violation of Missouri’s voter registration law, which requires voters to register at their residence. …”
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article247260219.html
You are as phony as a three dollar bill. You are NOT at all committed to honest discussion. What you are committed to is polluting this forum with stories unrelated to Turley’s post if you believe your stories will damage Republicans.
I get it. Hawley is positioning himself for a presidential run. Democrats want to get a head start on smearing him early to prevent his rise.
I, personally, think it’s likely that you are a paid shill. I can’t imagine anyone spending so much “free” time spamming this site with off-topic stories you think will harm Republicans. Unless you’re being paid to do so.
Hawley’s spokesperson claims the Kansas City Star cherry picked part of her quote and ignored the rest. She claims this is the quote she sent them, “This is laughable attempt of a smear by a Democrat group and their allies at what is left of the KC Star. Josh and Erin sold their home in Springfield earlier this year to build a new one in Ozark, Missouri and are staying down the street with family until it’s finished. We realize Ozark may not be ritzy but it suits Josh and Erin just fine. With ridiculous stories like this one, it’s no surprise the KC Star is losing money and had to move its printing operations out of state.”
https://twitter.com/KelliAFord/status/1329184476149198848
I’m NOT at all committed to honest discussion, and I project it onto others.
These people tried to block a routine to certify a clean election with the expressed goal of throwing the election to the legislators so they can ignore the vote and put in Trump electors. That is a direct attack to our democracy. And since they were attempting to only throw out votes from the black part of the county, it is also racist. Other the threats of violence, they deserve what they got. It needs to be know to those who want to destroy our country that we will not sit by and be polite while they do it.
Oh, and JT, once again you are silent on the actual death threats that the Secretary of State of Georgia got from fellow Republicans just because he would not illegally throw out votes. So according to JT:
Being mean to people are racists and attempt to set an auto-coup in motion: Bad
Sending death threats to a SoS for holding a fair recount: Nothing to see here
No one should be threatened or be doxxed to facilitate dangerous behavior.
But instead of highlighting only “Monica Palmer and William C. Hartmann, … [who] claim that they were coerced by threats against them and their families by Democratic voters,” Turley should criticize threats against election officials and their families regardless of party, because there’s plenty of evidence that Democrats are also being threatened and doxxed.
For example, “Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs released this statement in response to ongoing and escalating threats of violence directed at her family and her office”:
https://twitter.com/SecretaryHobbs/status/1329142152991969284/photo/1
As for the rest of the column:
“Ned Staebler, chief executive of TechTown …”
You should identify that Ned Staebler is a member of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, not simply a TechTown exec.
“What is missing however are calls in the media or from Democratic leaders to end such campaign of intimidation …”
And there aren’t calls from Republican leaders to end intimidation, doxxing, etc. aimed at Democrats.
FFS, Turley, grow a spine and call out ALL OF IT. Threats and doxxing are reprehensible regardless of party!
Non-threatening criticism, on the other hand, is part of living in a democracy with freedom of speech.
Commit the ChiCom troll is back to cutting and pasting DNC talking points after she inadvertently outed herself singing the praises of her Chinese paymasters.
Rhodes is a Russian troll.
The party of violence and Antifa complains. Someone noted that CTHD was committed to double standards. Looking at his postings here and elsewhere show that to be correct.
Meanwhile, back in the real world:
Our supposed “Deal making” president essential did none and passed on the TPP which was designed as a hedge against China’s economic hegemony in the Pacific Rim. Now wera re on the outside looking in on the world’s largest trade pact and likely the future.
“Hong Kong (CNN Business)China has just joined forces with more than a dozen countries across the Asia Pacific region to sign a huge free trade deal nearly a decade in the making.
The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership spans 15 countries and 2.2 billion people, or nearly 30% of the world’s population, according to a joint statement released by the nations on Sunday, when the deal was signed. Their combined GDP totals roughly $26 trillion and they account for nearly 28% of global trade based on 2019 data.
The deal includes several of the region’s heaviest economic hitters aside from China, including Japan and South Korea. New Zealand and Australia are also partners, as are Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam in Southeast Asia.
The trade agreement was first proposed in 2012 as a way to create one of the world’s largest free-trade zones….
Others noted that the deal was further evidence of Asia’s growing power. Economists at HSBC said Sunday that the agreement “signals that Asia keeps pushing ahead with trade liberalization even as other regions have become more skeptical.”
“It may reinforce a trend that’s been already underway for decades: that the global center of economic gravity keeps pushing relentlessly to the East,” they wrote in a research note.
The United States famously bailed on the Trans-Pacific Partnership — a major trade deal that would have cemented stronger relationships with several countries in Asia Pacific, including Japan, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam — when Trump took office.
Since then, the United States has done some bilateral deals, including a 2018 agreement with South Korea and this year’s truce with China. But it hasn’t done a comprehensive regional trade agreement….”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/economy/rcep-trade-agreement-intl-hnk/index.html
First, threats against anybody is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
Secondly, this goes directly to Trump and how he has abused and threatened people. His actions unleashed a torrent of racism in this country. Where as before Trump was President, being a racist was not considered a good thing. Trump made it ok and the racist came out of the closet. Trump calling out fraud election has resulted in death threats agains election officials. In my mind, the Trump could be impeached this morning, and convicted this afternoon using just a few video clips of his actions over the past 3 months.
We are in a bad place when the President of the United States acts like a spoiled 3 year old.
The media has covered the threats against these people, But make no mistake, what they did was despicable. And yes, racist.
So an honest disagreement with you is by definition racist. Think about that.
That’s not what he said, so don’t project it onto him.
I’m not talking about Mr. Turley. I’m talking about the comments that expressly accuse everyone of racism for simply disagreeing with the left.
Yes, I understood that you were talking about Paul and not about Turley. But Paul didn’t say or imply that “an honest disagreement with [him] is by definition racist.”
CommittedtoLosingDiscussions:
I love the way you ride to the defense of people who can handle it themselves. Patronize much?
Committed:
Now if you really want to aid the argument challenged, Aninymouse down the thread could use it. His/her/its idea of snappy repartee’ is to call someone “a troll.” Yep it’s original I know, but it doesn’t’ quite have the quality of verve of some of your responsive silliness. Please ride to the aid of your intellectual inferior.
So an honest disagreement with you is by definition racist. Think about that.
It is positively shocking to witness what is happening to the United States today! I’m not an American nor can I vote (or would I try to, unlike a few of my fellow Canadians), but seeing this tops-turvy, inside-out road the United States is travelling down is like watching the funeral of a loved one go by. It started some time ago Mr. Turley, with many of your posts appearing to be so unbelievable, when in fact, half of the citizens of your beautiful country permitted it’s descent into what the other half see as a hellish demise – a demise that I’m certain none of your founding fathers could have ever imagined when they signed the Declaration, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights not so long ago. As Bertrand Russel once said, “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.” God save your beautiful country, from the foolish fanatics who appear to be winning at tearing it apart.
Why are there no prosecutions of those who make violent threats? Where is law enforcement?
L&J:
Neutered by the BLM/Antifa crowd and their Dim masters. It’s self-help for everyone from here on out unless your local sheriff is an honorable guy or gal.
There are some prosecutions for violent threats. An example last week:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/staten-island-man-arrested-connection-threats-kill-protesters-politicians-and-members
I assume that other threats are being investigated.
And every BLM/Antifa calling for violent overthrow walks free. FBI prosecute based on political affiliation or thought? Perish the thought prole!
Didn’t they fire a Chief of police in Virginia for doing her job and having violent leftists charged with a crime? The left is sick.
F. George:
Police Chief Angela Greene in Portsmouth, Va. You can’t fire sheriffs in Virginia. They are elected.
My understanding was that she was fired. If not, what happened?
Here is the CNN story: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/republican-michigan-certification-conspiracy-theories/index.html?utm_content=2020-11-19T03%3A05%3A05&utm_term=link&utm_source=fbCNNp&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR21bLYWfSntjN4rIZvP2-gu91frJLizwV7rkpnjeKTR5OqMbBZbRkBcTAA
CNN is not a trusted news organization.
Fact Check: TRUE
I would argue that CNN is not a new organization.
Yes it is.
As the partisan divide increases there is a corresponding “end justifies the means” mentality that is intensified. The other side becomes so bad that all bets are off on adherence to laws and the spirit of those laws. Prof Turley is right to call attention to this. We need to obey election law. Election interference is not a civil disobedience warranted by the supposed harm of the other side being elected. Civil disobedience has only limited application, and there must not be any harm (such as suppression of voting rights) attached to it.
I am old enough to vividly recall the conflict between the methods of MLK and Malcolm X with regards to civil rights change. MLK used a very narrow tailoring of civil disobedience, including the insistence on non-violence, whereas Malcolm X used the (by any means necessary) method of resistance to unfairness. MLK’s non-violence approach was what philosophers call deontological, absolute rule based eschewing of doing harm to others when resisting discrimination. Malcolm X thought things have gotten so bad that the goal of the end of racism requires any actions including harm if necessary. MLK’s vision was love your enemies christian spirit – Malcolm’ was a hate based reverse racism.
Likewise, we cant let partisan divide devolve in into a view that the other side deserves the harm of our suppression of their vote. The end of a better person in charge does not justify the means of tampering. The elections need to be fair and need to be seen to be fair. The present chaos is obscuring the level of fairness of the election.
You left off the best part. Meeting was available on Zoom, but Zoom was shut down during the “compromise”
THE DEM’s are very worried that looking under the hood will reveal a lot and they are doing everything they can to bully, threaten and etc. these board members and etc. When you see the Governor and the nut job of a rep make threats you know you are getting closer. Let it go to the courts. If Trump has a case and he does he can quickly move it thru the courts, The Supreme Court of Michigan would be friendly to Trump, refer to their rulings and rulings against Gov Whittmer, the Witch.
Getting more stories of the political left’s totalitarian/fascist intimidation tactics is no big surprise, it’s become their primary tactic to control society and everyone knows it; the question is, when are people going to get fed up enough to start putting up a real fight to put an end to it?
Steve, the people of Detroit voted overwhelmingly to get Trump out of the WH and the fascist in the WH is leaning on his minions to deny their voice.
As noted by the head of DHS Cybersecurity who was fired for telling the truth, this was the most secure election in our recent history. The court record to date confirms that fact and stands at:
Trump – 1
The People – 28
Joe Friday wrote, “the fascist in the WH…”
No Joe, no matter how much you want it to be true, Trump is not a fascist.
Take the test Joe.
Testing for Acute Propaganda-Induced Anti-Trump Hysteria Syndrome
Do you have a test for Acute Propaganda-Induced Anti-Democrat Hysteria Syndrome?
Anonymous wrote, “Do you have a test for Acute Propaganda-Induced Anti-Democrat Hysteria Syndrome?”
The answer to that question is self-evident.
How about you spend the time to write one and send it to me via my blog contact form and we’ll converse via email and refine it so it can be posted as a blog, I’ll credit you if you like.
Getting more stories of totalitarian/fascist intimidation tactics from extremists on the left and right is no big surprise, it’s become the extremists’ primary tactic to control society and everyone knows it; the question is, when are people going to get fed up enough to start putting up a real fight to put an end to it?
Fixed it for you.
The American culture has severely deteriorated. While there is much blame on all sides I have to say I really believe the current situation is largely a result of the no holes barred style of Trump. I hope Biden can fulfill part of his promise to cool things down. It will be complicated by the fact that Trump will continue to try to foment hate
Every one of us controls our own mind and actions. You basically just said our situation is the result of butt hurt. Neither Trump nor anyone else was ever the actual problem for those of that have devolved to that point in their levels of maturity, and no amount of Bidens, BLMs, or Kamalas is going to fix it for them.
cultural deterioration is a direct and predictable result of “CULTURAL DIVERSITY”
So you’re a white nationalist, huh?
They certainly have the evidence that they were bullied, threatened, and harassed. If you signed a contract under this stress it would not be held valid.
Turley has never written a similar column addressing the death threats regularly received by the many public – and some private – figures that Trump has personally attacked over the years and if he wants to correct that he could start with the Arizona Sec of State.
As on may ethical complaints, he lacks standing to bring them as his reaction is selective and not principled.
Typical initial comment from the rationalizing and deflecting Joe Friday.
Come on Joe stop deflecting, be a man and step up to voice your opposition to the blatantly obvious intimidation tactics that the political left is using; pick a side, is it right or wrong Joe?
It is wrong Steve, but there isn’t a “side” as framed by you and Turley. Death threats to people Trump has personally insulted have been going on – and unmentioned by Turley for 4 years, and most recently against the Sec of States of Georgia and Arizona.
Now you step up and denounce those.
+10
Yes Joe there is most definitely a side when it comes to unethical and immoral behaviors; it’s either right or it’s wrong, period, no hypocrisy, no double standard, no grey line.
I already denounced those threats just like denounce all threats and intimidation tactics, period. You won’t find any hypocrisy from me in that regard so you can shove your implications where the sun doesn’t shine.
Your problem is that you automatically jump to rationalize and deflect instead of addressing what the topic actually is and take a moment out of your biased deflections to outright denouncing these things and then, only then, bring up what you perceive to be a double standard or hypocrisy, it won’t come across as blatant deflections. You are making choices and those choices make you appear to be using a tit-for-tat rationalization justifying unethical or immoral behaviors each and every time you do it. Learn from this exchange and change your ways.
Steve:
“You are making choices and those choices make you appear to be using a tit-for-tat rationalization justifying unethical or immoral behaviors each and every time you do it.”
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He’s a sophist. You might as well implore a dog not to bark.
mespo727272 is a troll
mespo is anything but a troll.
He’s a troll. He barely posts anything other than insults. A sampling just from what he wrote in the last hour –
I think your hair in on fire leading to that overheated thinking of yours.
So if I insult you as the jackarse you are, anyone else who subsequently threatens you (as likely happens on a regular basis) is now my fault? In your will, please donate that brain of yours to science, we all need to look around that space and be forewarned.
The two Dims on the board
CommittedtoLosingDiscussions
Aninny
it doesn’t’ quite have the quality of verve of some of your responsive silliness. Please ride to the aid of your intellectual inferior.
Perish the thought prole!
He’s a sophist. You might as well implore a dog not to bark.
If you can’t stand the heat, don’t go in the kitchen. Dude, that’s nothing like it used to be. It used to be knife fights in the gutter. A certain amount of blood-letting was expected.
mespo727272 should be able to stand the heat of being called out on what he writes, Dude.
mespo, if he is trolling, is doing it at a very low level. I, am not a Dude, I am a Demi-god. Please get my gender correct.
Aninny:
I didn’t call you a “Dude” but I do like the imagery of you on a surfboard in a blue Hawaiian shirt, Vilebrequins and a great white in your trough. Hang ten!!
Anonymous:
Thanks for the republishing. I’m no Voltaire but I’m trying:
“I should like to know which is worse: to be ravished a hundred times by pirates, and have a buttock cut off, and run the gauntlet of the Bulgarians, and be flogged and hanged in an auto-da-fe, and be dissected, and have to row in a galley — in short, to undergo all the miseries we have each of us suffered — or simply to sit here and do nothing?’
That is a hard question,’ said Candide.”
~One I wish I wrote!
Aninny:
Good comeback! Did you captain the debate team? Come on now don’t be shy.
Most likely 3rd string.
mespo727272 wrote, “He’s a sophist.”
I really want you to define how you are using the word sophist; please provide your definition of the word in the context you are using it.
If your definition is something along the lines of “a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments” I’m going to disagree with you. Using rationalizations and deflections as your primary method of argumentation is not necessarily fallacious, depends on the specifics of the individual argument, but they are not usually deceptive they are just unethical and inappropriate to use in debate because they do not address the merits, ethics or morality of the actual topic at hand.
The most important thing is that sophists are clever. Anything after that is not worth talking about. 😉
Steve:
“If your definition is something along the lines of “a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments” I’m going to disagree with you.”
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That’s kind of a pedantic description and it’s not my definition. I think Plato’s description is the best one. A deceptive advocate who seeks only victory through deception and not truth. In essence, somewhat not intellectually honest but who puts on the veneer of rationality to appear both truthful and truth seeking but who hides an agenda at odds with both. That pretty well sums up our gang of maoists around here.
Steve, I refused to be sidelined by Turley’s Miss Manners routine while he ignores that the f…g house is on fire. He does this constantly and is invariably one sided and partisan in his complaints. You chase his snipes if you want.
Gainesville;
I think your hair in on fire leading to that overheated thinking of yours. Just a guess.
joe friday wrote, “Steve, I refused to be sidelined by Turley’s Miss Manners routine while he ignores that the f…g house is on fire. He does this constantly and is invariably one sided and partisan in his complaints. You chase his snipes if you want.”
In context with my comment which you re replying to, here is a brief translation of your reply…
I’m going to continue to argue in unethical manner and there’s nothing you can do about it.
By the way; it’s your fully consumed bias telling you that Turley’s blogs posts are “invariably one sided and partisan in his complaints”, reality is actually an entirely different thing. You must emerge from your bias before you can share in the glory of reality.
Steve:
If Joe, Mr. Warner, Natacha, Committed, et al. didn’t “automatically jump to rationalize and deflect[ion] instead of addressing what the topic actually is…” they would have to confront the idiocy of their positions. That flash of insight would leave them speechless and unable to post on comment boards like adults, and it would certainly require them to acknowledge–and possibly attempt to adhere to– an mplicit imperative to intellectual honesty and logical consistency. TBH, I don’t know which of those insights they find the most terrifying.
*Anyone* who exalts themselves is wrong.
*Anyone* who oppresses another is wrong.
*Anyone* who disparages the oppressed is wrong.
*Anyone* who intimidates or threatens violence against another is wrong.
*Anyone* who physically attacks anyone is wrong.
Having a moral compass makes it very easy to make these declarative statements. Having a consistent foundation leads to consistent reasoning. The rabid leftists have abandoned their compass, assuming they ever had one, and have become their own gods. That’s why all they’re left with is rationalization (situational truth vs universal/external truth) and deflection (“what about,” ridiculous straw men [persons of predominant straw persuasion?], false dichotomies, and their favorite: red herrings and circular reasoning). It would be trivial for them to self-correct were it not for hubris and self-righteousness, which are both anathema to morality .
kydave40601 wrote, “If Joe, Mr. Warner, Natacha, Committed, et al. didn’t “automatically jump to rationalize and deflect[ion] instead of addressing what the topic actually is…” they would have to confront the idiocy of their positions. That flash of insight would leave them speechless and unable to post on comment boards like adults, and it would certainly require them to acknowledge–and possibly attempt to adhere to– an mplicit imperative to intellectual honesty and logical consistency”
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FYI: Read this.
Joe Friday, your gig is up and you have been exposed.
LOL “kydave40601”
In my first comment on this thread, I very explicitly said “No one should be threatened or be doxxed to facilitate dangerous behavior. … Turley, grow a spine and call out ALL OF IT. Threats and doxxing are reprehensible regardless of party!”
But you can’t admit it.
Your insults say more about you than they do about me.
Committed:
No, no .. they aptly present you. Don’t be so modest.
kydave:
“Having a moral compass makes it very easy to make these declarative statements. Having a consistent foundation leads to consistent reasoning. The rabid leftists have abandoned their compass, assuming they ever had one, and have become their own gods. That’s why all they’re left with is rationalization (situational truth vs universal/external truth) and deflection (“what about,” ridiculous straw men [persons of predominant straw persuasion?], false dichotomies, and their favorite: red herrings and circular reasoning). It would be trivial for them to self-correct were it not for hubris and self-righteousness, which are both anathema to morality.”
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As good a piece of writing on this blog as I’ve seen in years. Bravo and keep gigging the frogs, Dave.
Thank you for the encouragement, Mespo. I truly appreciate it.
I’ve been reading God’s love letter to humanity–most recently, Job–and it has affirmed that His majesty, power, and absolute righteous judgment utterly befuddle us at times (well, mostly all the time, actually). They are the very definition of a solid-rock foundation, especially contrasted to the abject depravity, moral failure, and vile self-aggrandizement this *is* the human condition–unless they are redeemed externally. That’s why, I guess, the usual set of tools in these comment sections only succeed in making me shake my head in pity.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
– Ps 14:1
We need far more posts like this Dave. Thank you!
Blessed are the Democrats, for they shall fight and vanquish evil and raise up the good while I shall smite the Republicans and drive them from their homes, poison their wells and fields and their cries and gnashing of their teeth will keep everyone else from hearing Netflix.
Book of the Subgenius 666:13
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”
If the democrats are blessed then why is it that what we find that they have hidden is:
That Hillary colluded with Russians and then setup Trump to be the fall guy.
That Hillary lied saying Benghazi was a spontanous uprising over an internet video.
That Obama lied when he said you could keep your doctor and you insurance if you liked it.
That The Obama administration lied when they said Putin favored Trump.
That the Obama administration lied about russian interferance int he election.
That numerous democrats lied when they said there was nothing to the Biden’s in Ukraine.
That Adam Schiff lied when he said there was more than circumstantial evidence that he had seen of actual collusion.
That the entire democratic body in the house lied when they impeached Trump – there was clearly more than a valid basis to investigate the Bidens.
That the DOJ/FBI/Obama administration and the press and the left lied when they claimed Trump was not spied on
That the left and the media have lied constantly about Trump’s remarks on Charlotsville.
That democrats have worked hard to hide what they are up to.
They hid the truth about Crossfire Huricane.
They hid the truth about the Flynn.
They tried and succeeded in framing Flynn so that he would not uncover the illegal actions they were taking.
That they have hid what they were up to with this election.
And I can go on and on, I am barely scratching the surface.
Regardless, judging democrats by their fruit – why is it we should trust them – or you ?
Why are you surprised that an enormous number of americans beleive there was fraud in this election ?
Why are you surprised that millions of americans beleive Trump, and do not beleive you ?
If you actually want people to trust the results of the election – then you need to behave trustworthy.
Act out in the open not in secret.
But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
– Jude 1:17-19
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
– Mt 16:26-27
Just exactly what reward do you expect to receive for mocking God? In all seriousness that’s the most important question you’ll ever answer while you’re still alive.
Joe “Gainesville” Friday:
“Death threats to people Trump has personally insulted have been going on – and unmentioned by Turley for 4 years, and most recently against the Sec of States of Georgia and Arizona.”
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So if I insult you as the jackarse you are, anyone else who subsequently threatens you (as likely happens on a regular basis) is now my fault?
In your will, please donate that brain of yours to science, we all need to look around that space and be forewarned.
The vitriol of the left is shocking.
But we shouldn’t be that surprised. Look at some of the posts attacking Turley.
Turley is a centrist and certainly restrained in his comments, and yet some posters attack him as if he were David Duke.
Problem is that vitriol engenders vitriol and the race to the bottom is on.
We all know where we are headed if these cycles continue.