Below is my column in the New York Post on the curious use of lawyers by President Joe Biden in the classified document controversy. There was a clear decision made to rely on his own counsel rather than the FBI or security officers after the discovery of highly classified documents in a closet in a private office. The decision clearly brings greater control and protection for the President, but it can itself be viewed as additional evidence of gross mishandling of classified material. In the movie “All The President’s Men,” Woodward chastises his colleague Bernstein that “I don’t mind what you did; I mind how you did it.” President Biden may face the same objection in his decision to use counsel to search for classified material.
Here is the column:
The discovery of a fourth set of classified documents, at the Biden residence in Delaware, has further undermined the White House’s virtual mantra that the president “takes classified documents very seriously.”
Putting aside the repeated movement of highly classified documents over six years, one curious element has emerged in this scandal: the use of private counsel.
Not only did President Joe Biden enlist lawyers to clear out his private Washington office; he then used them — rather than security officers or the FBI — to search for additional classified documents.
The initial use of lawyers is notable. While it seems a fairly pricey moving crew, Biden could argue a trove of documents might require a judgment on where they should be sent and whether they belong to Biden, the Penn Biden Center or the government.
But why was a legal team sent in six years after Biden took the documents on leaving as vice president? Were the lawyers specifically selected because they had clearances, an acknowledgment there might be classified material unlawfully housed in the office?
After the fourth batch of documents was discovered this week (the third found in Delaware), Richard Sauber, referred to as the “special counsel to the president,” stressed that he has a clearance. Sauber admits the lawyers who found the first batch at the residence didn’t have clearances but says he found the later documents.
It remains unclear which lawyers were involved in which discoveries, whether they had clearances and (if so) at what level. In fact, it seems to suggest Biden continued to use uncleared lawyers after his team found highly classified documents Nov. 2 in the Penn Biden office closet in Washington.
That itself could be viewed as gross mishandling of classified information.
It’s strange Biden did not use security officers or the FBI to conduct further searches. The president has a host of people who regularly handle classified material. So why use the lawyers?
The answer appears the same as in the case of Hillary Clinton’s emails: control. Using private counsel allows Biden to raise attorney-client privilege. Trump also used counsel, but eventually the FBI raided his home to search and remove not just classified material but documents found in boxes with that material.
While that attorney-client privilege can be overcome under a “crime/fraud exception,” it adds a level of initial protection. It also allowed Biden to control the discovery and initial record of the discovery of classified information.
The key to any investigation will be the chain of custody extending back to the documents’ removal in 2017 when Biden left office. How these documents appeared in their discovered locations is known only to his lawyers. It’s a link in the chain of custody that Biden effectively controls.
With Mar-a-Lago, the FBI was criticized for staging documents to be shown in the storage room. The photos were then leaked to an eager media. There will be no staged photos of documents alongside Time magazine covers for Biden.
Nor were documents he housed with classified documents removed. Indeed, it’s not clear if the FBI will know what documents were stored in the same boxes.
What was potentially lost is significant. Classified documents are generally supposed to be in folders with a thick, colored border and large printed classification warnings. Were some of those folders observable before they were moved? If so, anyone could tell a pile contained classified material, including the president and passersby.
Likewise, the initial discovery could show the context of surrounding material. The FBI at Mar-a-Lago carefully photographed that context and its search. Here, we’re relying on counsel to have kept such a record when most lawyers would be reluctant to do so given the risk to their client.
The key is that unlike FBI agents, these lawyers are not acting on behalf of the public interest but for the president’s personal interests.
If there are criminal charges, the key witnesses will be lawyers representing the president as an individual. They are more likely to minimize incriminating or embarrassing elements.
And they are themselves under scrutiny. Since they may not have had sufficient clearances to do this work, it is in their interest to downplay any expectations or warnings of additional classified material scattered around Biden’s home or office.
Concern over the use of lawyers has only grown with time. Biden not only continued to have his lawyers search after the first discovery, but did so for months through subsequent discoveries.
After finding highly classified material in Biden’s garage Dec. 20, private counsel — not the FBI — found another document in an adjacent room Jan 11. Sauber found more classified documents the next day.
Those last two findings followed White House assurances that the “thorough” search was “completed.” It obviously wasn’t thorough enough.
They raised another question. It would seem unlikely a document with a proper classified cover could be missed. The folder has thick red or yellow borders running around the edges and large black classifications like “TOP SECRET” emblazoned across the top. If that was missed, the earlier searches were clearly negligent.
Alternatively, and more concerning, the internal documents might have been removed from the folders and stored without cover. That would indicate someone removed and reviewed them — an act showing knowledge of the classified status. If they were removed at Biden’s residence, he would be the chief suspect in such use.
It would utterly destroy the “inadvertence” defense.
Jonathan Turley is an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School.
The enlistment of personal lawyers tells me it isn’t Trump the walls are closing in on. Will anything come of it when Biden is employing the Clinton/Obama/Pelosi method? I doubt it.
What, pray tell, is the difference between the ‘Democratic’ party and the mob? What is the difference between their constituents and aristocracy/serfdom? I no longer see a single differentiator in 2023, and though certainly the likes of Hillary and Barack laid the groundwork, the sheer level of authoritarian destruction in just the past couple of years is astonishing. I thank my lucky stars it was so dramatic – it means that the functional ‘before’ is recent enough, and so dramatically contrary, there is no way a conscious person can be gaslit out of their own life experience.
The globalist agenda is a sh**show the likes of which humanity has never seen, and fathom that Biden is a *bit* player.
One of the key documents found at Biden’s garage is his Super Secret Passport to DOUBLESTANDARDSTAN that is given to all liberal Democrats. This passport allows crimes to be committed, Clinton, Hunter, Joe Biden, the guys and women that lied to Congress, Comey, Brennan, Lerner et al, without punishment. Ray Epps has one, Ilhan Omar has one that alloowed her to marry her own brother to commit a crime.
Join the Democrats and become a secret citizen of Doublestandardstan. This is one border that the Dems secure hard and fast.
@hullbobby
Sure. Until they decide your usefulness as a useful idiot has expired and they line you up against a wall, proverbial or otherwise, or until you exhibit independent thought or even mild dissent and are labelled a traitor. See: cancel culture/Tulsi.
Remember Sandy Berger? Per Wikipedia (left leaning source) his punishment for stuffing secret documents down his trousers and socks in “April 2005, Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington, D.C. [22] Berger was fined $50,000, [23] sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for three years.” Slap on the wrist for a job well done.
What book did Biden write in the last 6 years that would have warranted SCI documents?
Who approved Biden to take classified documents away from a secure facility?
Who was responsible for inventory control?
Was access controlled into the Penn-Biden office building?
Was access controlled into the Biden office space?
Was access controlled into the office closet?
Who had access into Biden’s residence and garage?
What book did Biden write in the last 6 years that would have warranted SCI documents?
The question confuses the law.
What Biden was doing is irrelevant.
The law controls the document, not the person holding the document.
The document requires specific handling restrictions. None of which Biden could meet.
I’m aware of that. Others that have offered that as an excuse apparently do not. The remaining questions are relevant.
Contempt for the intelligence of the electorate by the bicameral political establishment and the media in general is reflected in the fact that coverage in this matter consistently fails to recall the number of months that the former President and his advisors were in conference with concerned ‘three letter’ departments regarding the holding and securing of the documents brought to the public’s awareness by the seizures at Mara-Lago. It has yet to be fully revealed as to the actual ‘why’ that a search warrant for that property came to be sought. The former circumstance is starkly different from the Garage-age gambit. That somebody inside Trump’s entourage, ‘[saw something and said something’ or thought it was timely andprovident to do has been suggested. Given the nefarious activities between the FBI and social media platforms in matters of Hunter etc, that a ‘Fifth Column’ is and has been operating within the federal government’s infrastructure, the aforementioned is more that just plausible., even to the intention of bringing down the current administration. Another shot at soft coup ‘brass ring’ if you will.
C’mon Turley…
A week after the event, you’re now questioning the first thing that came to mind was why were there lawyers clearing out the office?
I mean they must have been new law clerks doing the work or some other underling which still get billed out at obnoxious rates.
Sorry, you barely get a passing grade here Prof.
But then there’s more.
Trump’s issue w the National Archives was staged. Meaning they knew he had docs, just like every other POTUS ahead of him.
And he did have declassification rights at POTUS, something Joe didn’t as Veep. And of course Trump’s faux pas was being Trump and this happened just as he left office. Biden? He was VP 6yrs ago.
Now what does that tell you about his ‘honesty’. And cooperating once they found that they had classified docs.
You can look at this a couple of ways…
1) This is a way to get ahead of the story before he announces his run for POTUS again…
2) He’s being set up so he can’t run again. His policies are an utter dismal failure.
Either way, the timing is suspicious. The coverup is failing.
So its easier to just come clean. Mea Culpa it was an ‘honest mistake’ and then move forward.
At least that’s how Biden is playing it.
The reality however is far worse.
BTW, what about the tax evasion on the part of either Hunter or his Father in paying his father rent for use of the house that contained classified docs.
-G
“he did have declassification rights at POTUS, something Joe didn’t as Veep.”
The VP can declassify anything he originally classified or that was classified by someone he supervised.
That’s another question to be asked for both: were any of Trump’s or Biden’s documents actually declassified?
“His policies are an utter dismal failure.”
They aren’t. Lowest unemployment in 50 years, significant infrastructure bills, reduced the deficit, … I’m not a fan of Biden’s, but he’s actually accomplished quite a bit.
That’s another question to be asked for both: were any of Trump’s or Biden’s documents actually declassified?
No, the question is “could” Bidens documents have been declassified. We already understand the answer . It would be impossible for the Biden documents to be declassified
No, MY question is whether any of them WERE declassified.
You’re free to ask your own questions. You’re not free to try to tell me what my own question is.
“It would be impossible for the Biden documents to be declassified”
That’s false. If the documents were classified by Biden or by someone he supervised, then he could have declassified them. You’ve already admitted this elsewhere, so it’s strange that you’re lying about it now.
“They aren’t. Lowest unemployment in 50 years…” That’s the result of inflationary pressures, including too many people taking themselves out of the workforce voluntarily because of distorted incentives. Some of that is to be expected with an aging population, but even making allowances for that, labor force participation is still too low.
“significant infrastructure bills…” Inflationary green projects that will not come close to meeting our energy needs. Just ask the Germans. They’re much further down this road to perdition.
“reduced the deficit…” C’mon, man!
“I’m not a fan of Biden’s, but he’s actually accomplished quite a bit.” The jury is still out on that one. We’ll know better by next election what he can claim. Personally, I bet he’ll be back in the doghouse by then.
Labor participation rate was increasing under Trump.
Trump: December 2019 63.3
Biden: December 2023 62.3
It is approaching 2.5 million less jobs.
The actual numbers demonstrate ATS is ignorant of the relationship between unemployment and labor force numbers. (“Lowest unemployment in 50 years,”) He is also ignorant of the other things he mentioned.
Ah @Anon…
He doesn’t have the same capabilities as POTUS.
Even though he’s second in command… who’s underneath VP?
Just his staff.
So no, my point stands.
-G
“He doesn’t have the same capabilities as POTUS.”
I agree. But that’s not what you originally said. This claim is true. Your original claim was false.
Biden has “actually accomplished quite a bit.”
Sure, if you consider impoverishing Americans an “accomplishment.”
Here are Biden’s “achievements:” Insanely high energy prices; confiscatory inflation, runaway interest rates, a housing market in free fall; higher taxes; suffocating regulations; lines around the block at food banks; massive layoffs at countless corporations.
This is getting completely absurd.
Classified Documents are ‘enumerated’, perhaps even Barcoded/RFID/QR-code/Tagged.
There is an Inventory Tracking System, and after 6-years hence, there should have also be an Audit of said Inventory (Biden’s Classified Documents).
Pitney Bowes, USPS, UPS, FedEx, DHL, Amazon … all of them use a Tracking System. SO are you going to tell me that: The White House, various Governmental Departments, Military, The Archives uses Recipe Cards and a Card Catalog to keep track of Classified Documents.
Someone at The National Archives knew that Donald Trump had X-Number of Documents and went after them with the full force of the F.B.I..
But The National Archives does not have a clue of what a 6-year old Ex-V.P. has in his possession.
BULL-S__T
Get the Inventory Tracking Data and do an Audit. And ‘Hope’ that it hasn’t been Bleach Bit.
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Mike Pence, Chiefs of Staff, Speakers of the House …
Audit, Audit, Audit – These are the Peoples Records.
BTW: People ‘sign-off’ on receiving Documents, particularly ‘Classified Documents.’
So there are Multiple Witnesses.
Let the Congressional Hearings begin!
Good post! Keeping in mind the Penn-Biden office was a year away from opening when Biden left office. So the classified documents found in that office space had been held somewhere else for at least a year. The best case scenario for Biden is all these classified documents were held only at his residence; garage, office, whatever, before they were separated and transported to the Penn-Biden office. The worst case is that Xi held them until his office opened up. 😏 The truth is likely somewhere between the two.
If Biden didn’t or doesn’t know what is on these documents and is being advised by his lawyers not to ask, then who was it that took these documents and divided them into multiple locations?
Republicans go to jail for entrapment and made up charges
Democrats walk…no matter how bad their crimes are!
DC and Democrats states are criminal conspiracies! Everyone from Obama down should be in jail for the Russian Conspiracy!
And Spying on Trump since 2015.
“Biden … used them [lawyers] — rather than security officers or the FBI — to search for additional classified documents.”
So did Trump. His lawyer, Christina Bobb, attested that she’d been told by his lawyer, Evan Corcoran, that he’d done a diligent search.
If you’re going to object, object to both Biden AND Trump doing it. Don’t be a hypocrite (again).
“why was a legal team sent in six years after Biden took the documents on leaving as vice president?”
Why was a legal team sent in over a year after Trump took the documents on leaving as vice president?
“It remains unclear which lawyers were involved in which discoveries, whether they had clearances and (if so) at what level. In fact, it seems to suggest Biden continued to use uncleared lawyers after his team found highly classified documents Nov. 2 in the Penn Biden office closet in Washington.”
It also remains unclear which lawyers were involved in which discoveries for Trump, whether they had clearances and (if so) at what level. In fact, it seems to suggest [Trump] continued to use uncleared lawyers after his team found highly classified documents [in 2021] in the [M-a-L] closet in [Florida].
“Concern over the use of lawyers has only grown with time. Biden not only continued to have his lawyers search after the first discovery, but did so for months through subsequent discoveries.”
Concern over the use of lawyers has only grown with time. Trump not only continued to have his lawyers search after the first discovery, but did so for months through subsequent discoveries.
“That itself could be viewed as gross mishandling of classified information.”
Yet you never said this for Trump.
You, Mr. Turley, are a hypocrite, carrying water for Trump while complaining about Biden.
And Trump had a LOT more classified documents, a LOT more pages of documents, MANY more of which were classified at high levels.
“It’s strange Biden did not use security officers or the FBI to conduct further searches.”
It’s strange that Trump didn’t either. Trump concealed so many documents that the FBI had to get a search warrant.
“The answer appears the same as in the case of Hillary Clinton’s emails: control.”
Duh. And that’s as true for Trump as for Biden.
Again, you should be writing this column about both of them. You don’t because you’re a [redacted] for the GOP, perhaps via your Fox contract.
“The key to any investigation will be the chain of custody extending back to the documents’ removal in 2017 when Biden left office.”
Likewise, the key to any investigation will be the chain of custody extending back to the documents’ removal in 2021 when Trump left office.
“With Mar-a-Lago, the FBI was criticized for staging documents to be shown in the storage room.”
I think that photo was actually from Trump’s office, not the storage room, and it’s routine for the FBI to display all docs found together, criticisms notwithstanding.
“There will be no staged photos of documents alongside Time magazine covers for Biden.”
Right, because unlike Trump, Biden is cooperating!!
“Classified documents are generally supposed to be in folders with a thick, colored border and large printed classification warnings.”
So NOW you’re concerned about many of the docs in Trump’s possession having been unfoldered?
“The FBI at Mar-a-Lago carefully photographed that context and its search.”
ONLY for the docs that Trump failed to return and that were taken in the search. The OTHERS that Trump himself had returned weren’t photographed, just like Biden’s weren’t. Because the FBI isn’t so concerned about it at the cooperation stage, only at the obstruction stage — a stage that Trump clearly reached, but Biden doesn’t seem to have.
“these lawyers are not acting on behalf of the public interest but for the president’s personal interests.”
And that’s true for Trump’s lawyers too!
Yet you never complained about them in a like manner.
“Sauber found more classified documents the next day.”
No, not more documents, more pages. For all we know, they’re just more pages from a single document.
“Those last two findings followed White House assurances that the “thorough” search was “completed.” It obviously wasn’t thorough enough.”
And the same was clearly true for Trump in M-a-L.
Just to be clear: I’m glad that Special Counsels have been appointed for both Trump AND Biden. I’m not giving Biden a walk on this. It needs to be investigated for both of them. Some of the questions for both, from law professor Ryan Goodman:
1 How many docs?
2 Classification level?
3 Who responsible for moving them?
4 Who knew of them?
5 When discovered?
6. Date on the documents (h/t @notimmediately)
7. Who occupied both locations before Biden took office (h/t @harmonyis1)
8. What is the specific second location?
Additional questions from me, again for both of them:
9. What was the chain of custody on each document, specifying both the person who possessed it (perhaps temporarily) and its location (since the documents may have been moved more than once)?
10. How many documents were unfoldered?
11. Were any of the documents torn, etc.?
12. What other documents were they intermingled with?
13. Were any notations made on the documents, and if so, what did they say and when were they added?
14. Who else were they shown to?
I invite others to add questions that should be asked for both Trump and Biden.
From Andrew Weissmann [numbers added by me]:
15. Do we now know all the government docs that were in Biden’s possession at his home, or just the classified one(s)? [and similarly for Trump]
16. Why did Biden counsel do the searches of his home/garage, and not the FBI/DOJ? Or at least invite them to participate, or consent to the FBI/DOJ doing the searches? And why the search delays and no prompt public disclosure? [and similarly for Trump]
The WH keeps digging a hole deeper: they have failed to answer so many questions, which is very strange if this is all an innocent mistake.
-18. Total number of government docs found and precisely where; and what levels of classification?
-19. Why wasn’t this all revealed in Nov/Dec?
From me:
20. Who was involved in any of the searches for both (complete lists, specifying where each person searched)?
21. What day of the week were the documents taken?
22. What was the weather on the days they were taken?
23. Were they taken by a person who is right-handed or left-handed?
Since Trump was President and had powers that Biden didn’t, I think the questions created in this manner are inapplicable to Trump.
You want to equate the two even though their legal positions are not equal, Biden failing such an equality test. That makes your comparisons disingenuous and partisan.
What else is new?
Anonymous lists 100 ways that what Biden did is the same as what Trump did and therefore Turley is the hypocrite all the while forgetting that it is the DOJ that raided one guy and let the other guy have his lawyers comb through the docs. One guy was a PRESIDENT whose docs were known to the agencies and were being negotiated while the other guy NOT A PRESIDENT had his docs with his vette!
Anonymous, why not have a comment, even just one comment, on what Biden has done is wrong, no Trump, no Turley, no Fox News, just a comment on how Biden did something corrupt? If you can’t do this you are either a hired Democrat gun, an FBI plant or just another contrarian weirdo.
“the DOJ that raided one guy and let the other guy have his lawyers comb through the docs”
On the contrary, the DOJ let Trump’s lawyers comb through things for a year and a half and only carried out the search after Trump’s lawyers lied that they’d returned everything.
Surely you know that Trump returned boxes to NARA and a weld portfolio to the DOJ without an FBI search, right? Right? Either you know this and you’re “conveniently” forgetting it to make your false comparison, or you’re ignorant about the case you’re discussing.
“the other guy NOT A PRESIDENT”
Are you deluded? Biden is a President!! Did you mean that the documents were taken when he was a VP? If that’s what you meant, figure out how to write more clearly.
“why not have a comment, even just one comment, on what Biden has done is wrong”
I already said “I’m glad that Special Counsels have been appointed for both Trump AND Biden. I’m not giving Biden a walk on this. It needs to be investigated for both of them.” How much clearer do I have to get. What Trump AND Biden did was wrong. I want BOTH of them investigated. Sheesh.
“Are you deluded? Biden is a President!! Did you mean that the documents were taken when he was a VP? If that’s what you meant, ***figure out how to write more clearly.***”
Deflection. Not that the other answers were reasonable, they weren’t but deflection is a major characteristic of ATS.
, it seems to suggest [Trump] continued to use uncleared lawyers after his team found highly classified documents [in 2021] in the [M-a-L] closet in [Florida].
You forgot the modifier. “marked” classified. Because everyone understands all the documents are declassified.
You believe that they were declassified, but we do not know that. Don’t pretend to “understand” things where the facts are unknown.
Don’t pretend any law or regulation can over rule Trumps assertion all the “marked” classified documents are declassified.
Trump is a pathological liar whose public claims are worthless. Let him say it under oath.
Remember when Trump tweeted “I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions!” and then officially walked it back and said “I have determined to accept the redactions proposed for continued classification by the FBI in that January 17 submission.” (https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/)? Remember when Mark Meadows testified under penalty of perjury that “The President indicated to me that his statements on Twitter were not self-executing declassification orders and do not require the declassification or release of any particular documents, including the FD-302 reports of witness interviews prepared by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in connection with the investigation conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller III. Instead, the President’s statements related to the authorization he had provided the Attorney General to declassify documents as part of his ongoing review of intelligence activities relating to the 2016 Presidential election and certain related matters. The President’s statements do not require altering any redactions on any record at issue in these or other cases, including, but not limited to, any redactions taken pursuant to any discretionary FOIA exemptions” (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7273535-Trump-Declassify-2020-10-20.html)?
Only a fool would take any Trump claim to be the truth unless there was good evidence to support it.
And Biden is so sweet and innocent. Go back to sleep.
ATS treats the records held by Biden and Trump the same. He is disingenuous with the usual deception between the words.
Trump was President and had a right to the documents. Biden was Vice President and lacked the rights of a President. Essentially, one could say that Biden stole documents belonging to Obama.
Democrat politicized the Trump investigations and exceeded any other in history. Such scrutiny of a President by the opposing party, deep state, and media proves Trump clean. The opposite is true where Biden is concerned. The dirt keeps rising despite protections offered by the Democrat Party, the media, and the DOJ continuously sending Biden life rafts. There is evidence making Biden look dirty, so one should be more concerned about records he kept that were not his. One has to question if some of those records implicated Biden in a crime. One has to ask if his personally selected lawyers were working for him to reduce his chances of an indictment. Biden lacked the powers of the President that Trump had.
Biden stored his records in many non-secure places and illegally transported them even though he had no right to them. Trump placed his rightfully held documents in a secure facility.
Trump followed the law, and the FBI failed to provide evidence that the raid was legal. Biden, whose party controls the DOJ, did not follow the law while failing to have the FBI involved in the search for documents preserving the people’s interest.
Photos were taken of the records at MAL and placed in a manner to disparage Trump. They were plastered all over the news media. None were released to demonstrate how poorly Biden kept control of documents that weren’t legally his.
Biden held the release of information about the insecurely kept records in his possession for over six years. The government knew Trump had records in a secure environment before he left the White House.
The activities of Trump’s lawyers were transparent. Not so for Biden.
There is much more, but ATS’s BS meter keeps getting overloaded. One has to truck out his BS to provide room inside.
LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! S. Meyer, you’re hilarious.
“ Trump was President and had a right to the documents. Biden was Vice President and lacked the rights of a President. Essentially, one could say that Biden stole documents belonging to Obama.”
Trump was president until he left the White House. Possession of Classified documents after leaving the White House and Biden revoking his security clearance Trump no longer had the right to possess those documents. He refused to turn them over for nearly two years. He was in possession of stolen documents by the time he got a subpoena.
Biden didn’t need the ‘rights of a president’ to have those documents. He had the ‘rights fo a vice President’ who has declassification authority for documents he or his staff classified. There is no proof that the documents he had were classified by Obama. They could have been classified by Biden or his staff. You forgot that when Biden had those documents he WAS VP. Meaning they were authorized at the time.
“ Democrat politicized the Trump investigations and exceeded any other in history. Such scrutiny of a President by the opposing party, deep state, and media proves Trump clean.”
Nope, the Trump investigations were Trump’s own fault. He kept believing he could do anything he wanted regardless of the law. His lying and obstruction made things worse for himself. The scrutiny proves that Trump is his own worst enemy. He doesn’t know when to shut up. That’s why top notch lawyers won’t work with him.
“ Trump followed the law, and the FBI failed to provide evidence that the raid was legal. ”
No, he didn’t. He was refusing to cooperate and only did so when he was forced to when he was subpoenaed by a court. The FBI has ample evidence that Trump still had classified documents after his lawyers claimed they gave them everything. Lying to the FBI and still keeping classified documents which were verified thru a whistleblower and the subsequent proof after the raid justified the raid. The warrant to search the property was legally issued.
“ Photos were taken of the records at MAL and placed in a manner to disparage Trump. They were plastered all over the news media. None were released to demonstrate how poorly Biden kept control of documents that weren’t legally his.”
That’s because Trump claimed the documents were planted Trump wanted proof and he got it. The FBI was not obligated to post those pictures but Trump was asking for proof. That didn’t happen to Biden because he was cooperating and turned over the documents to the proper authorities willingly, not by force. Trump refused to cooperate, Biden cooperated fully from the very start.
“ The activities of Trump’s lawyers were transparent. Not so for Biden.”
Nope, they were not being honest with authorities. They lied to the FBI which is what triggered the raid. That’s not being ‘transparent’. Biden’s lawyers immediately notified authorities when they found documents and did everything they were supposed to do. Trump’s lawyers did no such thing. They helped their client hide and obstruct the FBI and NARA for nearly two years.
“There is no proof that the documents he had were classified by Obama.”
Hundreds of people are original classification authorities (see the section titled “Original Classification Authority Designations” in https://www.archives.gov/files/isoo/reports/isoo-2021-annual-report-to-the-president-final.pdf), and the total number of people who can classify documents is much larger. Odds are low that the docs were classified by Obama, but that doesn’t mean that they were classified by Biden. It doesn’t actually matter much who classified them originally, as much as whether they were still classified (and to date, there’s no evidence that they were declassified, just like there’s no evidence to date that the docs in Trump’s possession were declassified). But even if they were declassified, the PRA still applied to them. Biden should not have had them without explicit permission/knowledge of the government.
“[Trump] was in possession of stolen documents by the time he got a subpoena.”
Neither one of them was authorized to be in possession of the documents. Whether it was done willffully is relevant to whether they broke the law. Certainly by the time the FBI search was done, Trump’s continued possession was willfful.
“Biden’s lawyers immediately notified authorities when they found documents and did everything they were supposed to do.”
It would have been good if Biden and Trump had both invited the FBI to either conduct further searches or to observe.
“Svelaz, you are too stupid, and your work product proves it. You mangle what is known because you lack the intellect to understand what has been said.
Trump was President and kept documents at MAL True and legal, though whether any were classified is one of the questions.
You get nothing correct.
“He refused to turn them over for nearly two years. ”
He turned loads of documents over, and the FBI took some themselves. He opened the door to any return by the FBI.
“He was in possession of stolen documents by the time he got a subpoena.”
Wrong, but stupidity follows you everywhere.
Can you tell us when he stole the documents?
Of course, not.
Re Biden. HE only had the right to declassify the documents where he initiated the classification. He did not have the rights of a President.
You are parroting statements without knowing what they mean. That is the height of stupidity.
“Nope, the Trump investigations were Trump’s own fault.”
More stupidity. There is a way to obtain documents when a dispute occurs. The question goes before a judge. In any event, the FBI could have come back at any time.
That you lack knowledge of this demonstrates your intellectual disability.
“The scrutiny proves that Trump is his own worst enemy.”
How did the scrutiny prove “that Trump is his own worst enemy”?
“He doesn’t know when to shut up. That’s why top notch lawyers won’t work with him. “
Prove it. You don’t know what a good lawyer is.
“No, he didn’t. He was refusing to cooperate”
Why wasn’t he taken to court to get the records?
“after his lawyers claimed they gave them everything.”
That was not the claim of his lawyers.
“The warrant to search the property was legally issued.”
Was that done in the same way the FBI handled the FISA warrants?
“Trump claimed the documents were planted”
Can you show us proof of that claim?
Of course, not.
“That didn’t happen to Biden because he was cooperating and turned over the documents to the proper authorities willingly, not by force.”
Why the six-year delay and then the two-month delay after discovery?
“Nope, they were not being honest with authorities. They lied to the FBI”
Can you show us where they lied?
Of course not.
“Biden’s lawyers immediately notified authorities when they found documents and did everything they were supposed to do.”
Why was there a two-month delay?
Why didn’t the FBI search all properties?
Of course, you are too stupid to take the questions one at a time and provide verifiable answers.
You are the equivalent of a bad joke. If you don’t like my tone, don’t continuously disregard the proof already provided and stop acting stupid.I have dealt with your nonsense long enough and you have lied too many times.
S. Meyer, you’re an idiot.
“No, he didn’t. He was refusing to cooperate”
Why wasn’t he taken to court to get the records?”
He WAS. That’s why he was subpoenaed for the records. Courts issue subpoenas.
As for the rest of your diatribe you can find out for yourself. Use that fine intellect you have and find out for yourself. Can you do that? No you can’t because you are too ignorant and lack intelligence.
We know how bad your thoughts are and why you lack intelligence and project those flaws onto others to compensate. You don’t know the things that you are talking about and your poor intelligence is your biggest failing. We know why it’s so because you prove it every day.
FYI I used language you might be more familiar with so you would be able to understand what is being said to you.
Svelaz, I don’t know why you like to be humiliated, but I think that is characteristic of you, and you demonstrated that in a former life on the blog. I don’t even want to discuss things with you, but you replied to one of my comments, so I had to.
>>”Why wasn’t he taken to court to get the records?”
>He WAS. That’s why he was subpoenaed for the records.
You don’t understand the process. If Trump doesn’t respond to a subpoena, the two parties end up before a judge. If the judge sides with Trump, it is trashed. If the judge sides with those bringing it, the judge can order police action. You skipped a step, but are too dumb to know.
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Where do I apply for a Democrat (Biden) Troll position. Does it pay well? Do you sometimes fall down after getting dizzy spinning facts into non facts?
You apply with the RNC under the position of Republican patriot of the motherland.
the Democrat brain trust plan was always 2 years Biden and 2 years Kommie Harris. The party is turning on Biden like they turned on Gold Standard Cuomo. They are just shown the door…no arrests for their many crimes!
All 3 letter DC agencies are 100% corrupt for Democrats! Biden will WALK! Trump will be destroyed by the Democrats CRIMINAL Conspiracy across governments. At this point AG James of NY FULL TIME Job is attacking Trump with unlimited state and federal resources.
Time to cut 50% of Federal Spending…and end all federal aid to cities and colleges!
You know the Bidens destroyed most of the juicy documents before the lawyers “search. That’s why security wasn’t involved. Come on, man, Biden is no unsophisticated criminal. Don’t imply good faith where it doesn’t exist.
They will not be able to ascertain what Classified Document have Walked-Off or Joe passed on to Others.
Is there an Inventory List of what Classified Document He was given? (Document Tacking)
Makes me wonder if He knows where he left the Pineapple (The Button).
there is a record of EVERY document Biden took
Biden and his family should be in jail already for the decades of influence peddling!
The Professor lays out some very important and relevant questions.
The one thing he did omit has to do with part of the Security requirement that deals with”the need to know” that applies to those holding the required security clearance.
Despite you having a clearance that meets the requirement for the level of classification…..you may not have a “need” to view the documents.
Example…..fellow Special Agents working on the John Walker case in my Office were detailed to arrest Walker’s Son and their paperwork had to be secured due to very high classification of the Investigation.
I assisted them in a very limited way and was told nothing about why we were carrying out the arrest. I did not even know the name of the individual….as my role was purely assisting in providing transportation of the Agents and the Arrestee post-arrest.
I saw the Folder containing the documents that had been provided them….but was not offered or did I inquire about the contents as I did not have a “Need” to know the contents.
The Professor is exactly right…..the FBI should have obtained a Search Warrant and carried out a search of any location (Office, Home, Vehicle, box, bag, drawer, etc) where a Classified Document might be located.
As the Suspect is now the current sitting President that does present some legitimate legal problems for the FBI in the conduct of the Search and would require it be done in as low key a. manner as possible….but done without harming the thoroughness and scope of the Search.
A full blown raid on Biden’s properties as was done on Trump’s home would not be proper….just as what was done to Trump was improper.
We may not “like” the occupants of the Oval Office but we should respect the “Offfce of President” as it is such an important position in our system of government,
Any search of the property of the current and former Presidents should be done in a low key, dignified manner out of respect for them as former Presidents.
The FBI Management has forgotten that as they have politicized their organization to the detriment of this Nation.
You raise multiple distinct issues.
The FBI raid on MAL was massive overreach – we are seeing that constantly from the “deep state”.
People protesting and firebombing pro-life clinics or supreme court justices get nothing.
Protest at an abortion clinic and an FBI SWAT team aids your home.
I would note that these shock and awe tactics occur outside the FBI – even local law enforcement hits suspected drug dealers with far more force than is necescary.
We now have the term SWATTING in our vernacular – as people target their often political opponents with dangerous raids by heavily armed law enforcement based on fake allegations.
There are times shock and awe are needed – abotu 1/1000th as often as they are used.
While this problem is not exclusively political – it is tilted far to heavily one direction politically.
When law enforcement looks increasingly like the Gestapo, and their targets are increasingly those whose political beleifs are right of center – we are in trouble.
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Addressing Biden had to be different – he is the current sitting president. There is not and can not be a classified documents basis for “raiding” the places he has actually been as president. There is every reason to beleive that classified material may legitimately be at any place he has resided as president.
That said eveywhere that he has been PRIOR to being president as ex-VP should be dealt with with MORE scrutiny that Trump.
The standard for current presidents is different from ex presidents is different from Ex-VPS.
There is
“ Alternatively, and more concerning, the internal documents might have been removed from the folders and stored without cover. That would indicate someone removed and reviewed them — an act showing knowledge of the classified status. If they were removed at Biden’s residence, he would be the chief suspect in such use.
It would utterly destroy the “inadvertence” defense.”
Yeah, it might be what happened. But without real evidence its still pure conjecture. Which is strange because Turley made no such assumptions when empty folders were found at MAL. You could say the same thing about the Trump case. Which ironically would make it worse for Trump because it would be seen as deliberate instead of inadvertent.
Turley is asking a lot of questions that he did not bother to ask in the Trump case. It shows his bias and obvious political hackery. Trump is still on the hook with his case. He’s not absolved of his problem just because president Biden has a similar issue. The big difference is Biden is fully cooperating and he has competent lawyers working for him. Trump refused to cooperate for nearly two years and has incompetent lawyers galore. Trump’s home was raided because he lied about turning over everything. He was raided because Trump had a pattern of obfuscation and delaying which was not acceptable when it was learned he had the most sensitive classified documents he was not supposed to have and was not cleared to have.
Really? Turley is questioning the use of lawyers? It means Biden has very good lawyers compared to Trump. Trump’s lawyers handled classified documents and they didn’t have clearances either. Turley never said a word in the MAL case. Missing from the ‘analysis’ is the fact that Biden’s lawyers are competent and knowledgable enough to act as expected. Following the law. Not be complete clowns like Trump’s lawyers.
Trump had stolen documents on his properties he even had a private company “search” for more documents at his other properties. Did Turley question their use? Did they have clearance if they happened upon classified documents?
Good grief. Lawyers who know what they are doing searched for more documents and know what to do with they find them. If they don’t have clearance they know what to do when they find classified documents. They leave them alone and report it to the proper authorities which is exactly what they did. Trump’s lawyers didn’t do that. They helped Trump hide them and keep authorities from looking into boxes that may have contained classified documents.
Talk about bias. . . .
“The key is that unlike FBI agents, these lawyers are not acting on behalf of the public interest but for the president’s personal interests.”
This statement assumes that today’s FBI would have done anything contrary to Biden’s interest. And, nothing about the Mar-a-Lago raid suggests the FBI was acting in the public interest. Under this administration, the FBI and DOJ are corrupted organizations. Besides, if Biden did take these documents to help him write a book, does anyone believe that he or his counsel would have left truly incriminating documents in the files? With Trump’s documents, all of the administration players were out to get him, hence the raid; with Biden’s documents, all of the players, including the Special Counsel, are out to protect him, hence, no raid.
My thouhgts too when I read that sentence. It’s insulting that people like JT think we would feel better about this if only the FBI had taken “control”.
Re: Biden’s stolen docs. & media chatter.
What is in those stolen docs so important that Obama, Biden & Hillary wanted the taken from the govt to hide from the incoming Trump Administration???
Maybe nothing, but if Biden’s lawyers without security clearance can see them then we the public should also get to see the docs.
Also, why was Hunter Biden paying Joe $50,000 a month rent for the house the stole govt docs were in?
The FBI acted in the public interest when it was discovered that Trump lied about not turning over all documents. That is after nearly two years of trying to get him to turn over documents that were not his to keep.
When the FBI learned he had a trove of classified documents including possible TS/SCI documents related to nuclear secrets they had no choice but to act immediately. It was THAT important. Trump’s security clearance was revoked by Biden because he could not be trusted and that was proved correct when the raid showed he took and kept the most extremely sensitive classified documents that he did not have clearance for nor anyone who worked with him at MAL. His home was not authorized to house such documents either. The raid was not because “they were all out to get him” it was because Trump lied to the FBI and did not turn over everything after saying so. The raid occurred because Trump was not being honest about his claims. He brought it upon himself.
Sevvy:
Pay no attention to the fact that the FBI was fully involved in the search prior to the “raid” and even suggested additional security in the already-secure, secret service patroled Mar-A-Lago which Trump dutifully accomplished. It’s no locked garage but hey, it’ll do. Being fact-challenged is a devastating handicap.
Mespo, the FBI was not fully involved until they learned that Trump lied about turning over all the missing documents that NARA was requesting.
The secret service was not there to secure documents. Their job is to protect the president. Their job was not to monitor who could look at those documents. They didn’t know there were classified documents on the property. Trump or his staff had no clearance to possess or view those documents. Biden revoked Trump’s clearance and once that happened any classified documents he had in his possession were illegally in his possession.
Having the secret service on the grounds would’n’t have stopped Trump from showing classified materials to guests when he wanted to despite not having the proper clearances and facilities to store them and views them. When he ceased being president the SCIF status of his home was no longer active.
Have you ever even seen a classified document? You talk like someone with absolutely no experience or expertise.
“the FBI was fully involved in the search prior to the “raid””
That’s false. As was noted in the affidavit before the search:
“the FBI agents and DOJ attorney were permitted to visit the storage room. Critically, however, the former President’s counsel explicitly prohibited government personnel from opening or looking inside any of the boxes that remained in the storage room,” and they “were allowed only a brief view of the storage room and were expressly told that they could not open any boxes to review their contents.”
“Being fact-challenged is a devastating handicap.”
Condolences on your handicap.
Without knowing what was in the boxes, why demand more security, and how was a search warrant issued with no evidence?
The search warrant was based on evidence.
Which you’d know if you’d bothered to read the affidavit.
You are apparently too lazy to inform yourself.
Aninny:
““Being fact-challenged is a devastating handicap.”
Condolences on your handicap.”
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Not so soon on those condolences, Aninny. The search warrant application isn’t evidence nor based on evidence, its what the government says is evidence without any cross-exam. As for the FBIs recitation of facts, it differs markedly from Trump’s and even their own records as Trump most assuredly cooperated.
Here’s the AP timeline BEFORE the “raid” of August 8th. Note the false application filed by the FBI on August 5th. Note also the subpoena issued one day (May 11) before the voluntary turnover date set by Trump’s lawyers for May 12. The FBI has the same “good faith” intentions as you do and like I said his lawyers did cooperate fuly before the midterm election interference by the feds via the “raid.”
DECEMBER 2021:
NARA “continued to make requests” for records it believed to be missing for several months, according to the affidavit. Around late December 2021, a Trump representative informed the agency that an additional 12 boxes of records that should have been turned over had been found at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago club and residence and were ready to be retrieved.
JAN. 18, 2022
NARA received 15 boxes of presidential records that had been stored at Mar-a-Lago — 14 of which, it would later be revealed, contained classified documents. The documents were found mixed in with an assortment of other material, including newspapers, magazines, photos and personal correspondence.
In total, the boxes were found to contain 184 documents with classified markings, including 67 marked confidential, 92 secret and 25 top secret. Agents who inspected the boxes also found special markings suggesting they included information from highly sensitive human sources or the collection of electronic “signals” authorized by a court under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
FEB. 9, 2022
The special agent in charge of NARA’s Office of the Inspector General sent a referral to the Justice Department via email after a preliminary review of the boxes revealed numerous classified documents.
“Of most significant concern,” they wrote, according to a heavily-redacted affidavit released last week, “was that highly classified records were unfoldered, intermixed with other records, and otherwise unproperly (sic) identified.”
After an initial review of the NARA referral, the FBI opened a criminal investigation into the matter.
FEB. 10, 2022
Trump’s Save America PAC released a statement insisting the return of the documents had been as “routine” and “no big deal.”
Trump insisted the “papers were given easily and without conflict and on a very friendly basis,” and added, “It was a great honor to work with NARA to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy.”
FEB. 18, 2022
NARA revealed in a letter to a congressional oversight committee that classified information was found in the 15 recovered boxes and confirmed the Justice Department referral.
Trump’s Save America PAC released another statement insisting, “The National Archives did not ‘find’ anything,” but “were given, upon request, Presidential Records in an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act.”
APRIL 12, 2022
NARA informed Trump of its intent to provide the documents to the FBI, at the request of the Justice Department. A Trump representative requested an extension until April 29.
APRIL 29, 2022
The Justice Department sent a letter to Trump’s lawyers seeking immediate access to the material, “citing “important national security interest.”
“Access to the materials is not only necessary for purposes of our ongoing criminal investigation, but the Executive Branch must also conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported and take any necessary remedial steps,” the department wrote.
Trump’s lawyers requested an additional extension.
MAY 10, 2022
NARA informed Trump’s lawyers that it would provide the FBI access to the records as soon as May 12.
MAY 11, 2022
The Justice Department issued a subpoena for additional records.
JUNE 3, 2022
Three FBI agents and a DOJ attorney went to Mar-a-Lago to collect additional material offered by a Trump attorney in response to the subpoena. They were given “a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape, containing the documents,” according to an Aug. 30 filing.
That envelope, it was later found, contained 38 documents with classification markings, including five documents marked confidential, 16 marked secret and 17 marked top secret.
During the visit, the filing said, “Counsel for the former President offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the Premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the Administration.”
Trump’s lawyers also told investigators that all of the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location — a Mar-a-Lago storage room. Investigators were permitted to visit the room, but were “explicitly prohibited” from opening or looking inside any of the boxes, they reported, “giving no opportunity for the government to confirm that no documents with classification markings remained.”
The Justice Department was also given a signed certification letter stating that a “diligent search” had been completed and that no documents remained.
JUNE 8, 2022
The Justice Department sent a letter to Trump’s lawyer requesting that the storage room be secured, and that “all of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (along with any other items in that room) be preserved in that room in their current condition until farther notice.”
AUG. 5, 2022
The Justice Department filed an application for a search and seizure warrant of Mar-a-Lago, citing “probable cause” that additional presidential records and records containing classified information remained in various parts of the club.
“There is also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction” would be found, read the heavily-redacted copy of the affidavit laying out the FBI’s rationale for the search.
The Justice Department also revealed in the Aug. 30 filing that it had found evidence “that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.”
U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart in South Florida approved the application that same day.
The judge determined there was probable cause based on evidence in the affidavit, whether you can admit it or not. And Trump’s lawyers clearly didn’t turn over all the docs by “the voluntary turnover date set by Trump’s lawyers.”
So I guess now you admit the FBI was fully involved before the raid like I said.
I don’t even know what you mean by “fully involved,” much less have I “admitted” that. Fully involved IN WHAT?
Use of lawyers also allows Biden to control the timing of the release of information regarding the documents. Without Biden’s consent, his lawyers could not ethically reveal that classified documents had been found. The first set of classified documents was discovered before the mid-term elections. The discovery was not disclosed to the public until after the mid-term elections. Biden likely knew of the documents before the election but waited until after the election to authorize disclosure.
The discovery was known before Biden got himself booked to appear on 60 Minutes to excoriate Trump for being irresponsible with classified documents. Which suggests to me they were never planning to disclose.
It looks to me like they accidently allowed a decent person to have knowledge of the cover up and that person leaked it to the media.
No worries. They all have the pretty bullet-proof defense of being Democrats. This is not close to the level of Hillary’s emails.
“The key is that unlike FBI agents, these lawyers are not acting on behalf of the public interest but for the president’s personal interests.”
Really JT? How hard was it to write this sentence and not laugh your know what off? Do you really believe the public trusts the FBI any more than Biden’s lawyers? The whole thing is a joke and unfortunately, we are the punch line.
It’s odd that Turley will see this as a negative. Lawyers are there to protect you from doing something stupid or from being accused of something. Trump expects the same from his lawyers.
What Turley is really saying is that president Biden has good lawyers, competent lawyers and he’s portraying this as somehow a bad thing.
There are quite a few unanswered questions about the timeline:
1. Why was the office being cleared out on Nov 2?
2. Why were lawyers involved in this?
3. Those lawyers discovered classified documents, reported to include “some” top secret sci. Did they have proper security clearances or did they have to call in someone who did?
4. Why did Biden not make public the discovery when NARA was informed Nov 2? This was obviously of public interest if only because of the similar issues involving Trump.
5. Why did Nara not make public the discovery on Nov 2?
6. Why did DOJ not make public the discovery when it was informed on Nov 4?
7. Why did Garland not say anything about the discovery when he appointed the Trump SC in mid-Nov?
8. Why did it take so long for the discovery of the second stash to be reported Dec 20?
9. Why was the third stash not discovered until more than three weeks later?
10. What specifically caused Garland to appoint an SC?
11. What assurance can there be that no documents were destroyed and that all have been found and handed over?
12. Why was nothing made public until the story was leaked to CBS/NBC?
13. When the WH first commented on the Nov 2 discovery on Jan 9/10, after it leaked, why did it not also mention the Dec 20 discovery?
That DOJ in the end appointed an SC suggests to me that their review of the documents indicated a possible risk to the national defense. If it did not, the matter could have been dismissed as sloppy but inconsequential. There would have been no basis for a criminal investigation, at least under the Espionage Act.
“1. Why was the office being cleared out on Nov 2?”
To get in front of a house investigation.
“10. What specifically caused Garland to appoint an SC?”
That they’ll sacrifice one of their own, if doing so makes it easier to “get Trump.” (Plus, Biden-the-puppet has served his usefulness to democrats.)
Dysfunctional Household – What does that tell you about the President himself. The Individual.
I think the time line, is Garland appointing the Chicago DOJ attourney Nov. 2cnd.
That is obviously nothing but “in name only” declaration. If this guy was supposed to investigate, why did HE not find all these documents? That’s his job. But obviously he was not doing anything.
Iowan2 – in retrospect, it is noteworthy that no one in the MSM ever asked Biden about having classified documents. It should have been an obvious question. Someone should also have looked at this tax returns during the time that the Trump organization was being pursued by the NY Atty Gen, Now Maranda Devine has done so and found a slight problem. https://nypost.com/author/miranda-devine/ Maybe someone will now ask about Tara Reade or demand to see the Biden documents held by the University of Delaware.
He was appointed by Trump. Are you suggesting that Trump appointed someone who was incompetent?
Anonymous,
One thing for sure is that the Democrats put an incompetent into the White House in the 2020 Election.
That cannot be argued based upon volumes of proof….proof that keeps coming every single day.
The question is when do they remove him from Office and install Chuckles in the Clown as President and who do they pick to be the replacement VP….Hakeem Jeffries…Adam Schiff….AOC?
Are you suggesting that Trump appointed someone who was incompetent?
Are you suggesting every President knows the CV of every person they appoint?
My question wasn’t meant rhetorically. After you answer it, I’ll answer yours.
Again, ATS is deflecting.
Iowan answered your question.
No you’re not rhetorical, just stupid. Like always, ignoring the question. Nov, 2 to Dec,22 is ample time to search all of Bidens locations. Something the investigator did not investigate.
Meaning the “Appointment “, was only a PR ploy.
Still waiting for you to answer: Are you suggesting that Trump appointed someone who was incompetent?
So far, it seems like your answer is “yes, he appointed someone incompetent because he didn’t bother to check the person out at all before appointing him.”
Still waiting for you to answer: Are you suggesting
I’m saying the man is corrupt. I’ve said it twice now.
I agree that Trump is corrupt.
“Something the investigator did not investigate.” … he says, without any evidence it’s true. You’re fond of assuming things you don’t know.