Moreover, the missile did not destroy the hospital but appears to have landed in the parking lot. Finally, the actual death toll remains in dispute.
While the caption on the photo above acknowledged that it is not the picture of the hospital, it created a powerful image with the headline. The more important question is why the New York Times would simply repeat the accusation from Hamas on the origin of the missile when there are thousands of missiles going back and forth between Israel and Gaza.
The New York Times not only immediately declared Israel as the source but said that hundreds were killed. The BBC completed an investigation with the assistance of experts, who said that the evidence was not consistent with an Israeli missile strike and further suggested that the death toll was lower than widely reported.
Likewise, Foreign Policy magazine is still showing a misleading picture of a huge crater that turns out to be from an entirely different location. Actual drone footage does not show the type of large crater that would have been left by an Israeli missile in the parking lot. The Wall Street Journal showed this crater in the parking lot:
While the New York Times can claim that it later covered the countervailing findings of Israeli and American intelligence, that is not the case with Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D., Mich.). Last night, after the Biden Administration released its own findings that the missile came from Palestine, Tlaib led a mass protest while denouncing Israel for the strike:“People think it’s okay to bomb a hospital where children, you know, what’s so hard sometimes is watching those videos and and the people telling the kids, ‘Don’t cry.’ And like, let them cry!”And they’re shaking [INAUDIBLE] they keep telling them not to cry in Arabic. And they can cry, I can cry, we all can cry. If we’re not crying, something is wrong! And so I’m telling you right now, President Biden, not all of America’s with you on this one. And you need to wake up and understand that! We are literally watching people commit your genocide and killing a vast majority just like this. And we still stand by and say nothing. We will remember this. But all of you, you need to know, I swear to God [INAUDIBLE] You are on the right side of history! You are! You’re doing everything possible to save lives! What is wrong with that? Stop it!”
Tlaib wrote on social media that “Israel just bombed the Baptist Hospital killing 500 Palestinians (doctors, children, patients) just like that” on X.
Of course, NY Times, Tlaib, and others can count on the free speech community will continue to support their own ability to speak even when they are accused of spreading disinformation.
This controversy shows, again, how selective the media has been in its calls for bans and censorship. That includes various journalistic and scientific figures banned for expressing skepticism over pandemic claims from the origins of the virus to the efficacy of certain treatments. For example, when many people raised the possibility that the virus may have been released from the nearby Chinese virology lab (rather than the “wet market” theory), they were denounced as virtually a lunatic fringe. Even objections to the bias of authors of a report dismissing the lab theory were ridiculed. The New York Times reporter covering the area called it “racist” and implausible. Now, even W.H.O. admits that the lab theory is possible and Biden officials are admitting that it is indeed plausible.
Fortunately for the reporters of the New York Times and Democratic members like Tlaib, free speech values should protect their right to continue to post these views despite their truth or veracity. One can only hope that they might want to consider showing others the same consideration.
The MSM’s favorite phrase nowadays is “without evidence” which they say with regard to virtually anything a Republican says. So when they reported that Hamas said the missile came from Israel, why didn’t they say, “without evidence”? The question answers itself: in the NY Times‘s view, Hamas are the good guys and Republicans are the bad guys. That’s how decrepit and senile the old Gray Lady has become.
Guilty is right.
Many of us saw the shifting headlines in the NYT as it was forced to walk back its ideologically driven, inflammatory reporting. What should we do? Hamas might say that nothing needs to be done. That actors like the NYT and Tlaib should be encouraged. That their disinformation and falsehoods are on the right side of history.
The violence and hatred provoked by the NYT and Tlaib is nigh impossible to walk back. A fire, once set, can become a raging inferno that is impossible to extinguish. Setting the initial narrative is a powerful weapon. But maybe that is the point.
Shouldn’t we expect a higher standard of care from the paper of record? That it pause to make sure of the facts before aiming a blowtorch at the tinderbox? Before aiding and abetting a group dedicated to the destruction of the Israeli people?
Maybe Tlaib should be held to a lower standard of conduct because well, you know. But that’s a question for another day.
The NYT, Tlaib, and their ideological counterparts in government and the elite universities, have been steadfast in their support of content moderation and the enforcement of hate speech laws.
The laws are on the books, duly passed by the legislature and “our” democracy. They are there for a reason. One can even debate their wisdom. But it is not for prosecutors to ignore them based on the political proclivities of the actors. That is the essence of corrupt, selective enforcement.
If we don’t enforce our anti-hate laws and content moderation policies now, when? If not applied to the NYT and Tlaib, against whom?
Guilty is right.
Ukrainian Hospitals Frequently Struck
The World Health Organization (WHO) has recorded more than 1,100 attacks on its healthcare system since the invasion began on 24 February 2022, and more than one in 10 Ukrainian hospitals have been directly damaged by the war.In some areas occupied by Russia, people have had little or no access to medicine since late …Aug 15, 2023
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One googles, “Russian misile hits hospital” and discovers multiple stories with different dates reporting hospital strikes in a number of Ukrainian cities. Apparently striking hospitals is a form of routine warfare for Putin’s military.
Yet strangely enough, MAGA Republicans have no problem with such strikes. Jim Jordan, the twice-failed nominee for House Speaker wants to cut-off Ukraine on orders from Donald Trump.
Trump fears that Putin might lose the war to Biden and Zelensky. Therefore the so-called ‘Russia hoax’ was really no hoax. Trump really ‘is’ a stooge for Putin and has been all along.
I think you posted this elsewhere. It is completely nonsensical. Nobody is in favor of hospitals getting struck. The discussion has been about falsely blaming Israel for that, not whether explosions at hospitals are good or bad (of course they are bad). And if you have $60 billion that you wouldn’t mind giving to Ukraine, go ahead, it wouldn’t bother anyone if you gave it. But the US is $34 trillion in debt, and the dispute between Russia and Ukraine is not something that affects our national interests. Besides, Ukraine is just as corrupt as Russia, and Ukraine is historically part of Russia – in fact Kiev was the ancient capital of Russia. Let them sort it out for themselves. Why do you want to give away even more of my money to one side of that controversy, further bankrupt America, and potentially start World War III, with nuclear armageddon, to boot?
OldManFromKS,
Well said.
What a dumb comment.
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Democrat Rashida Tlaib, where were your tears when Hamas raped every Jewish woman they could catch? When they beheaded babies, and cut fetuses out of pregnant Jewish women, while they were still alive? Where was your shaking rhetoric when Hamas hunted down an unarmed Thai worker, mutilated him, and while he struggled feebly, beheaded him with several whacks of a blunt shovel, shouting about how great their god was? Hamas engaged in actual war on women, gang raping them in the street, and often executing them after they were done.
Where is your outrage that Hamas ordered Palestinian civilians, including children, to remain in military strike zones after Israel warned them to leave? Why are you not incensed that Hamas blocked escape routes for Palestinian families, forcing them to remain in harm’s way?
Your anguish is selective, irrational, and does not hold the perpetrators accountable.
You enable terrorists by creating PR videos for them. You support terrorists that target civilians and children, and condemn the country that goes to the most effort in our planet’s history to avoid civilian casualties.
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Yes, it was disinformation, because they repeated this Hamas propaganda after it was proven that a Hamas missile misfired and hit a Palestinian hospital. You can see it happen on video.
When someone is presented with facts that disprove their argument, but they keep repeating that false argument, then they are intellectually dishonest, willfully blind, partisans.
Israel warns civilians to evacuate military strike zones, even though this allows terrorists to escape as well. Hamas orders them to stay, and blocks escape routes. They blame Israel for dead Palestinian civilians, to gin up more antisemitism.
Israel only targets terrorist threats. They seek to avoid harming civilians. Hamas avoided engaging with the military, and hunted and killed unarmed civilians, including the elderly and babies. They raped as many women as they could find.
Hamas tacitly agrees that Israel cares more about Palestinian children than Hamas does. They build military bases of operations in hospitals and orphanages, knowing that Israel will do everything in its power to avoid harming civilians, especially children. Israel warns them to leave. Hamas orders them to stay. Hamas then blames Israel for the deaths of civilians that Hamas put in harm’s way. Hamas: “We love death more than Israel loves life.” Hamas views Palestinians as sheep it’s willing to slaughter for its goal of destroying Israel. Typically, Hamas leaders send others on suicide missions, or missions where they’re guaranteed to get caught. Hamas leaders don’t risk themselves. They sacrifice Palestinian sheep, and go fundraising.
Israel keeps offering land for peace, and making concessions. The PA and Hamas rejected all peace deals, because their goal is to kill all the Jews “from the river to the sea.” That’s what that phrase means. Israel gave the land in the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians. Palestinians voted in Hamas to run it, which used that land to wage regular terrorist attacks, culminating in the genocide on Oct 7th. Palestinians terrorists also use the West Bank as a base for regular terrorist attacks. That’s what terrorists do when given land. They use it as a base to keep attacking Israel.
90% of what was proposed in the British Mandate to form Israel was given to the Arabs in the first land for peace deal. That land formed Jordan and part of Syria. They used that land to wage war on Israel within 24 hours of its formation. Every inch of land given to appease Muslims is used to keep hacking away at Israel. They don’t want peace. They want to kill all the Jews.
The NYT article came out prior to the IDF rebuttal… So there are temporal issues with your post.
Deportation Nation
Are Rep. Tlaib, the New York Times, and Other Media Guilty of Disinformation on the Hospital “Strike”?
– Professor Turley
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Did you say, “Disinformation on the Hospital ‘Strike'”?
How about “Disinformation”on the Real President Donald J. Trump”?
Did Hillary, Obama, and the entire global communist Deep Deep State “Swamp” falsely accuse Real President Donald J. Trump of acting for “Russia, Russia, Russia”?
Did the anti-Constitution Christopher Wray and the totally corrupt FBI fraudulently open “Crossfire Hurricane” for the benefit of Hillary, Obama et al.?
John “Dudley Do-Right” Durham said, “YES!”
Also great to see bipartisan support for Israel in the Pennsylvania House and Senate — see linked article. https://www.jewishexponent.com/state-house-senate-unanimously-pass-resolutions-supporting-israel-condemning-hamas/
I watched an interview of the Palestinian prime minister by Piers Morgan. Piers asked him more than ten times if he would condemn the slaughter of Jews by Hamas. Each tome he changed the subject. Piers also asked if he condemned terrorism. He said yes he condemns terrorism. Piers again asked him if he condemned the terrorism of Hamas and again he refused to answer. Tlaib is giving exactly the same answers. Tlaib is always talking about racism, but just like the Palestine prime minister she hates the Jews because of their race.
Thanks for sharing that. Could it be that as head of the PA he has the same goal as Hamas: drive the Jews into the sea?
The PA is an offspring of the PLO which was founded by Yasser Arafat. Yasser Arafat refused a solution where he got 95% of what he wanted. He died a very rich man. His Uncle was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who made a pact with Hitler to exterminate the Jews.
Peace will only come when America stops feeding them and their dreams. For the most part that is what Biden is doing. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem signifying the end of any support to those wishing to annihilate Israel. What did we get? Peace.
As usual we have posters on this blog who will deflect from the lies fed to us by The NewYork Times and CNN. these posters and the Times continue to be true to form. Same deal. When the can’t answer for their lies they just change the subject, This should be recognized as the true mark of the propaganda scoundrel.
What was the “lie”?
OT, a terror vulnerability in the US (probably among many) is purposeful derailment of trains.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/attempted-ohio-train-derailments-part-alleged-terrorist-plot-court-docs
Strange. I don’t find the pro-murder Palestinian sickies mourning the old women and the children of the Israeli persuasion, cut down by their heroes. Golly, u blood thirsty saints, hows come?
OT, White House commits security breach by publishing faces of U.S. Special Forces in Israel. DOD rules prohibit that because it can reveal their identities and put them in danger. But the geniuses at the White House left it up on Instagram with no redaction for hours.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12651089/White-House-apologizes-publishing-photo-showing-faces-Special-Forces-met-Biden-Israel-glaring-national-security-blunder.html
As much as MOST of this country despises this incompetent, corrupt, POS imposter in the White House, it is NOT enough.
How did you come up with 4%? There are ~49M Democrats in the US. 4% of that is less than 2M.
More to the point, your argument seems to assume that most American Jews could belong to a group that has a large fraction who are “giddy about gassing Jews”? That is, the fact that so many American Jews are Democrats tells you not only about the fraction of Democrats who are themselves Jews, but about a much larger fraction of Democrats with whom we associate (and I say “we” here as an American Jew who’s a Democrat, and the many Democrats I know who are not Jews).
Some Democrats are anti-Semites, some Republicans are anti-Semites, some independents are anti-Semites. “Democrats are giddy about gassing Jews” has no qualifier, and I stand by my claim that it’s a false and counterproductive caricature.
A.N.D.
I came up with 4% as an upper bound because 2.2% of Americans are Jews, and if half Americans are Democrats, and all Jews were Democrats, that would work out to around 4%.
your argument seems to assume that most American Jews could belong to a group that has a large fraction who are “giddy about gassing Jews”?
Yes, I was assuming that. If we start from the assumption that that could never be, then I see your logic and your point makes more sense to me. But that’s an assumption I don’t make.
As for any suggestion that there’s a roughly equal Antisemtism problem on both left and right, that isn’t the case in America today. My explanation is below.
OK, I just looked up more info. “Some 52 percent of American Jews identified as Democrat, 16 percent as Republican and 31 as independent in combined Gallup tracking poll data for 2018.” So if we exclude ~20% of Jews as kids, that leaves ~6M Jewish adults, with ~3M of them Democrats, or ~6%.
I responded to the rest below.
I don’t know why, but periodically when I reply to someone, the commenting system decouples my reply from the comment I was replying to. Thanks for following up here.
Interesting. Yesterday I tried to comment up top, and it tagged it to a comment way down below. I was on my phone so it could have been my mistake. Also, as I get old I keep making more mistakes like that, for example, commenting in the wrong story. Agghh!
Roundtable: Jewish Americans share their perspectives on conflict in Gaza
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Guests
Yair Rosenberg, staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of the Deep Shtetl newsletter.
Ilan Troen, Stoll family chair of Israel studies, emeritus, at Brandeis University. Lopin Chair in Modern History, emeritus, at Ben-Gurion University in Israel. He lost his daughter and son-in-law to the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7.
Cora Galpern, graduate student at University of Michigan pursuing a master’s degree in social work. Former president of J Street U National Board.
Maital Friedman, vice president of Communications and Creative, and the Muslim Leadership Initiative. Co-director at the Shalom Hartman Institute of North America.
https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2023/10/19/roundtable-jewish-americans-share-their-perspectives-on-conflict-in-gaza
They will have another roundtable with Palestinian Americans next week.
In case this was missed today.
Sources with the newspaper confirmed this has been a longstanding arrangement between the publication and horribly evil terrorist organizations. “We have the highest standards of integrity here at the New York Times,” said Mr. Khan. “If you’re a terrorist, you can rest assured that we will print exactly what you tell us, word for word. No matter how absurd the lie is, no matter if the lie could literally lead to wider war and death – you can count on us to print what you say.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/new-york-times-calls-hamas-to-ask-what-they-would-like-printed-on-front-page-tomorrow
Laughter the best medicine. Thank you, Olly
Looks like Sen. John Fetterman put on his big boy pants and took an independent stand in spite of his colleagues Nazi leanings.
“Now is not the time to talk about a ceasefire. We must support Israel in efforts to eliminate the Hamas terrorists who slaughtered innocent men, women, and children. Hamas does not want peace, they want to destroy Israel. We can talk about a ceasefire after Hamas is neutralized.”
Sen. John Fetterman
Look for the Leftists to target his house, office and family, like the good little Nazi / Hamas they are.
For decades all Americans have been told Nazi = evil for their extermination of Jews. Now Democrats are giddy about gassing Jews.
One can forgive Americans for pains of whiplash from the fickle fracks these Democrats are, always have been always will be.
Nice. I would not have expected that from Mr. Fetterman. But if true, it’s a good statement, and a rebuke to the Nazi-wannabes in the “squad.”
Fetterman shreds fellow Democrats blaming Israel in Hamas war: ‘Truly disturbing’
Sen. John Fetterman, D-Penn., expressed his support for Israel on X Wednesday, when he also criticized some of his Democratic colleagues without mentioning them by name. “It’s truly disturbing that Members of Congress rushed to blame Israel for the hospital tragedy in Gaza. Who would take the word of a group that just massacred innocent Israeli civilians over our key ally?” the Pennsylvania senator asked on X.
https://wfin.com/fox-political-news/fetterman-shreds-fellow-democrats-blaming-israel-in-hamas-war-truly-disturbing/
Why not mention names? He wouldn’t refrain from mentioning names of supporters of white supremacists, anti-LGBT, anti-Asian individuals, etc. Hypocrite.
Most American Jews are Democrats. But don’t let that stop you from lying that “Democrats are giddy about gassing Jews.” You show us again that despite frequently proclaiming your Catholicism, you do not take Christ’s words to heart.
Bad logic. Most American Jews are Democrats, but most Democrats aren’t Jews. There are roughly 7.4 million Jews in the US, so about 2% of the population. Even if all were Democrats it would still be a tiny fraction of the number of Democrats in the US.
No, it’s not bad logic. It shows that even if there is some fraction of Democrats who believe that, it’s not true of Democrats as a whole, so he shouldn’t be making the claim as if it were true of Democrats as a whole. For that matter, we know that some fraction of Republicans believe that (e.g., neo-Nazis like Nick Fuentes, the conservatives who chanted “Jews will not replace us” at the Unite the Right rally), and probably some fraction of Independents believe it. But again, not true of either group as a whole. These kinds of wildly overgeneral caricatures of groups doesn’t serve us.
I agree his claim is false, but it’s still bad logic to say most American Jews are Democrats as a rebuttal to that claim. The assertion (which again I don’t agree with) seems to be that there are a large number of Democrats that are “giddy about gassing Jews” (I don’t read the comment as intending to suggest *all* Democrats are giddy, and you also haven’t claimed to interpret it that way). So now pointing out that most American Jews are Democrats covers around 4% of all Democrats. So even if we exclude that 4% from the group that could possibly be giddy, there is still no conflict with his assertion.
Best quote I have seen on this issue
US universities lose millions as donors pull funding over Hamas stance
As Josh Wolfe, a venture capitalist pressing his alma mater to be more outspoken in condemning antisemitism, posted on X: “Freedom of speech . . . also means freedom for me — Cornell alum — to close my wallet.”
https://www.ft.com/content/22316ef9-f71e-4076-8d95-b3fa18fcb520
Harvard, Stanford, Penn, etc are panicking.
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Harvard too:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-16/wexner-pulls-support-from-harvard-over-response-to-hamas-attack
When doing a search to find the above, other links came up with similar stories for other major universities.
As for your other point, I agree there are Jew haters on the extreme right as well as the extreme left. But here’s where I see the difference. On the right it is a small number of outliers. On the left, it has gone mainstream. What’s my evidence? Not only do we have Jew hating Democrat congresswomen, but just take a look at our universities, and how huge numbers of left-leaning student associations immediately came out in support of the terrorists who massacred Jews. There was no similar outpouring of support among conservative or republican student organizations. And not just students, but leftist professors and DEI deans, like the ones at Cornell. The fact is, the American political left has an antisemitism problem that is much more pronounced than the American political right.
“Not only do we have Jew hating Democrat congresswomen”
I assume you have Rashida Tlaib in mind, but I don’t know who else (you indicate it’s a plural group). I don’t think Tlaib hates Jews as a group, but does hate the Netanyahu government and presumably also some others (e.g., violent settlers).
“huge numbers of left-leaning student associations immediately came out in support of the terrorists who massacred Jews”
No, large numbers came out in support of innocent Gazans, not Hamas. Gazans =/= Hamas. And it’s quite possible to be someone like me who is on the side of innocent Gazans AND innocent Israelis, and to believe that the Netanyahu government’s response does not serve Israelis + Palestinians in the long run. (And of course, Hamas’s acts don’t either, but they’re terrorists, so I have no expectation that they will think about what’s good for Israelis + Palestinians in the long run. I expect more of Israel than I expect of Hamas, and I’d hope you do as well.)
“the American political left has an antisemitism problem that is much more pronounced than the American political right.”
I don’t agree. I think there’s just as pronounced an antisemitic problem on the American political right in the form of neo-Nazis. I also think that Evangelical support for Israel on the right includes a sizeable subset that isn’t focused on Jews or Israel’s long term well-being but is instead largely a hope for the second coming of Christ.
I think there’s just as pronounced an antisemitic problem on the American political right in the form of neo-Nazis
Neo-Nazis are horrible people. But they are a tiny, tiny segment of the US population. Joe Biden and the Left constantly harps on them as a distraction, but I have never met or seen one in my life, and I’ve been all over. So I don’t by the equivalence in terms of the seriousness of the problem.
I also think that Evangelical support for Israel on the right includes a sizeable subset that isn’t focused on Jews or Israel’s long term well-being but is instead largely a hope for the second coming of Christ.
I’m interested how you come to that conclusion. First, what is the connection between supporting Israel and the second coming of Christ? Second, does your view on this come from speaking with them personally? I have spoken with many personally and that has not come up as a reason.
Re: neo-Nazis, an example from 2017: “9 percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll call it acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views.” Not everyone in that 9% is themselves a neo-Nazi, but it still suggests a sizeable group, not a tiny one.
Re: evangelicals, it comes from research and reporting. A couple of examples:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Motti-Inbari/publication/338583810_Why_Do_Evangelicals_Support_Israel/links/5e2054f2299bf1e1fab572d6/Why-Do-Evangelicals-Support-Israel.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/
Post poll call it acceptable to hold neo-Nazi or white supremacist views,
I read ‘acceptable’ as, have no power to challenge. Or the govt has no power to restrict.
My point is ‘accept’ not a synonym for support, approve. I accept lots of people I disagree with but dont waste time thinking about. I accept some people believe they talk to their dead loved ones. Not the I believe or advocate.
The wording of poll questions often go through extensive trial and error to get a response, the one commissioning the poll are seeking.
Thats the lesson. Polls are always paid for by someone. Polls only serve the purpose of supporting a paid for narrative.
The Washington Compost has zero cred.
Actually I take that back, I have met one, or at least the functional equivalent. When I was 19 I worked on a farm, and one of the other farm hands threatened my life because I was Jewish. He wasn’t a card-carrying Nazi or anything, but being a farm hand he also wasn’t a liberal academic, haha, and his mentality was closer to that of a Nazi.
I assume you have Rashida Tlaib in mind, but I don’t know who else (you indicate it’s a plural group).
Ilhan Omar. AOC and Cori BUsh sort-of but not as much as Tlaib and Omar.
To me it is a concern that these people are members of Congress. We all know there will be wackos like Nick Feuntes, but when they get into the halls of power, that does make a difference. I hope you can understand why it would up the scare level.
I haven’t seen anything antisemitic from AOC or Bush (and AOC has Sephardic Jewish ancestry, not that that in itself prevents one from being an antisemite). What I saw from Omar, she apologized for.
I doubt you agree, but I find Trump antisemitic, for example, his repeatedly calling Israel “your country” and Netanyahu “your prime minister” when talking with American Jews, rather than recognizing us as Americans.a
Anonymous, stop being a denier, Oldman is right. AOC and COri Bush support a ceasefire right after Israel was brutally attacked…that is helping Hamas.
As for Jew hatred on the right and left, name one person on the right who has stated obvious anti-Semitic proclamations. Name one. Now we have Tlaib, we have Omar, we have Cori Bush, we even have people like the guy from Pink Floyd, waters. We have known and named college students and groups supporting Hamas. YES, They are. We have marches in all our cities with people carrying pictures of paragliders. We have BLM in Chicago showing the gliders. When have you ever seen a known person, a person of repute flashing a picture of a noose or a swastika? IT HASN’T HAPPEND and you damn well know it.
We have college professors saying that they felt elated with the attack that killed men, women and children, that resulted in rapes of girls and of course kidnapping as well.
Next time some radical says “ceasefire now” tell them “release the hostages now”.
I find Trump antisemitic
You’re right, the comments you cite don’t seem antisemitic to me, but rather, somewhat imprecise – which is often true of the way Trump speaks. But actions speak louder than worlds, so we should look at Trump’s actions. He and his (Jewish) son-in-law were the architects of the Abraham Accords, the greatest breakthrough in Jewish-Arab relations in decades. And Trump most notably moved the embassy to Jerusalem, something Israel always wanted but no prior POTUS had accomplished. He also staunchly supported Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. All of these things, and more, have caused many commentators to refer to him as the most pro-Israel US present ever. You may not agree with that description, but the mere fact that many do, including in Israel (where he was wildly popular), reflects his very pro-Israel actions, and puts to rest any notion that he is anti-Semitic.
https://spectator.clingendael.org/en/publication/trump-most-pro-israel-president-american-history
hullbobby, I doubt that you read AOC’s statement immediately after Hamas attacked, but I did, and you’re wrong. I haven’t read Bush’s statements, and I doubt you did either. Moreover, calling for a ceasefire =/= being an antisemite. Many Jews in Israel are calling for a ceasefire, including Jews who had family killed by Hamas. An example:
https://nitter.net/mehdirhasan/status/1715172026120311006#m
Omar continues to make antiSemitic comments. The whole squad does. You need new eyeglasses.
“Omar continues to make antiSemitic comments. The whole squad does.”
Quote them. Let’s see what you consider antisemitic and whether I agree.
BTW, hullbobby, Marjorie Taylor Greene is an example of someone on the right who’s made antisemitic statements. She was even called out by the Republican Jewish Coalition, by McCarthy, and others on the right.
I did a search to see what anti-Semitic statements Marjorie Taylor Green has made. The only thing I could find reported was her comparison of her political enemies to Hitler. Hitler comparisons are very common these days, and saying someone or a policy is Hitler like is not anti-Semitic. It means you think that person or policy is oppressive, i.e., very bad. Jews also think Hitler was very bad.
Now if she had praised Hitler, that would be different. But if people can’t come up with something better than a Hitler comparison, then I’m calling BS on the accusation that MTG has made anti-Semitic statements.
Henry, re: MTG, here are some examples:
* https://www.mediamatters.org/congress/marjorie-taylor-greene-shared-anti-muslim-video-portrays-jewish-people-trying-destroy
* mediamatters.org/facebook/marjorie-taylor-greene-penned-conspiracy-theory-laser-beam-space-started-deadly-2018
* she spoke at Nick Fuentes’ America First PAC meeting
* tweeting memes that accuse Soros of being part of a secret totalitarian world government and lying that Soros “turned in his own people over to the Nazis.”
* she regularly posts on Gab, which hosts a lot of antisemitic speech
Major Jewish groups have spoke out against her antisemitism:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210129194923/https://conferenceofpresidents.org/news/press/2021/jan29/jewish-leaders-denounce-antisemitic-conspiracies-spread-representative
There’s more, but start with that.
And if you want to convince me that Democratic Congresswomen are antisemitic, please likewise cite what you have in mind.
I’ll start with Omar’s “it’s all about the Benjamins, baby,” widely understood as anti-Semitic (and she even had to apologize) as suggesting Jews use money to buy influence.
Now as to MTG, I’d like to know an actual statement she said, besides comparing someone she disliked to Hitler (which as noted is common and not remotely anti-Semitic). If she shared an anti-Muslim video, that does not mean much even if Jews are depicted badly since her motive may have been anti-Islam, not anti-Jewish.
I’m not looking for links – especially to places like media matters which are known to be untruthful. I’m looking for an actual statement she uttered, and then I will google that statement myself to determine if MTG is anti-Semitic.
People sometimes use money to buy influence. That’s a fact. It’s true of some Jews just like it’s true of some non-Jews. And she apologized. If that’s all you have, that’s not much. FWIW, Trump has done similarly (e.g., by posting a Star of David over a picture of money in a Clinton meme).
Re: MTG, will you accept a Republican Senator for the first link? “‘This is what the UN wants all over the world.’ That was her reaction to a video quoting a Holocaust denier saying, ‘Zionist supremacists have schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation.’” — https://www.cramer.senate.gov/news/press-releases/sen-cramer-what-marjorie-taylor-greenes-repugnant-comments-can-teach-us-all
For the second link, they included a screenshot of her Facebook rant. I’m not going to type that up for you personally just because you dislike MMFA. You can read what she said there.
You were silent about her speaking at Nick Fuentes’ America First PAC meeting and tweeting memes that accuse Soros of being part of a secret totalitarian world government. You ignored that you have a group of 50 Jewish organizations voicing concern. The House Republican Caucus condemned her after she tweeted “Vaccinated employees get a vaccination logo just like the Nazi’s forced Jewish people to wear a gold star,” and she’s on video here saying that Pelosi wanting Members of Congress to get vaccinated and if not to wear masks is “exactly the type of abuse” as murdering Jews in gas chambers (external quote from Tapper, internal from MTG, watch the video for the full quote) — https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1395894122569945088
It’s true of some Jews just like it’s true of some non-Jews.
I’m aware of that, and in fact, that’s the whole point. She only criticizes Jews. Double standards applied in that way are anti-Semitic.
“She only criticizes Jews.”
That’s not true. She’s voiced similar criticism of the gun lobby and Republicans being beholden to it. And again, you’ve only given this one example, for which she apologized. So what else is convincing you that she’s antisemitic?
As for MTG, again, the video quoted a Holocaust denier saying, “an unholy alliance of leftists, capitalists and Zionist supremacists has schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation, with the deliberate aim of breeding us out of existence in our own homelands.” Zionist supremacists are scheming. You dismiss this.
“Now if she had praised Hitler, that would be different.”
She chose to attend a conference organized/hosted by Nick Fuentes, who HAS praised Hitler, appearing on stage with Fuentes. What non-antisemite would do that? What kind of non-antisemite compares masks to the Juden stars Jews were forced to wear in the Holocaust? Here’s a longer quote from the interview: “[Pelosi] is mentally ill. You know, we can look back at a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star, and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany. And this is exactly the type of abuse that Nancy Pelosi is talking about [with the House mask mandate].” And when she was challenged on it, she doubled-down: “I stand by all of my statements; I said nothing wrong.” “I think any rational Jewish person didn’t like what happened in Nazi Germany, and any rational Jewish person doesn’t like what’s happening with overbearing mask mandates and overbearing vaccine policies.” It’s a dismissal of the horrors of the Holocaust.
If Omar or Tlaib were doing this, what would you say?
“it has to do with him thinking they are a banking empire that is controlling things”
But that’s a common antisemitic trope. Does your brother-in-law say the same thing about non-Jews having an empire that controls things? If not, then going back to your comment re: Omar, “Double standards applied in that way are anti-Semitic.”
And BTW it’s not just the American Left, it’s in the UK too, for example, Jeremy Corbyn.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/document-lists-9-instances-of-anti-semitism-by-corbyn-among-thousands-in-labour/
The above is about a report by the Jewish Labour Movement, so it’s not coming from a conservative perspective.
The bottom line: anyone who is sensitive to anti-Semitism in government is well aware that the major problem these days is on the Left, not the Right. It’s going to be very difficult for you to convince such a person (such as myself) otherwise, as we’ve been paying pretty close attention to this for decades.
Okay, I’ve read the Senator’s page, and the MM page, and I’m still looking for some meat. She’s a bit of a loony alright but being against mass Muslim migration into Europe is hardly anti-Semitic. Same with being anti-UN, which is itself an highly anti-Semitic body. Same with harping on Soros and the Rothschilds. Soros is a virulent leftist and many on the right despise him for the harm he’s done; it has nothing to do with his being Jewish. And my brother-in-law who loves Jews is also crazily spooked by the “House of Rothschild” as he calls it, but again, it has nothing to do with Rothschild’s Judaism, it has to do with him thinking they are a banking empire that is controlling things. So . . . I need something more, like did she make anti-Jewish remarks, did she use double-standards, delegitimization, or demonization (the three D’s of anti-Semitism) when talking about Jews or Israel. Everything I’ve seen so far is right-wing kookery but not anti-Semitism.
See my reply above.
A.N.D.
Great to see bipartisan support for Israel in the Senate — see linked article.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4264928-senate-unanimously-adopts-resolution-stating-support-for-israel/
Democrat party = Nazis. Embrace the Swastika on your forehead.
How many Jews will you exterminate this week? Did the DNC set a quota for you? It’s Halloween so no doubt youll be racking up quite a few, as many as the sock puppets you run on here if not more
We are witnessing Kristallnacht 2.0. This is one episode of the Glenn Beck podcast that everyone needs to see.
“There can be no ceasefire with people like this,” says Glenn before displaying the “Hamas Charter,” which unabashedly states “that the killing of Jews and the destruction of Israel is their main goal.”
If you don’t believe us, read the Hamas Charter for yourself at glennbeck.com.
Here’s something that’s even more disturbing: That’s only the first fifteen minutes of Glenn’s special. To get the complete picture – the unvarnished truth – of what’s happening between Israel and Hamas, watch the full episode below.
Might as well advise Sarah Connor to call a cease fire with the Terminator and begin negotiations. Good luck with that!