In its affidavit supporting criminal charges, the Justice Department showed Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock on the Senate floor on January 6, 2021 in a helmet and combat gear. That outfit only magnified the anger of many of us over the riot and the interruption of our constitutional process of certification. However, while there was little question of the validity of the charges against him, U.S. District Judge John Bates in March 2023 imposed a two year sentence based on a common enhancing factor cited by the government in many of these cases for the “substantial interference with the administration of justice.” A panel on the D.C. Circuit has now ruled against the use of that enhancer in a decision that could compel the resentencing of dozens of defendants from the January 6th riot.
The Justice Department has long been accused of excessive charging and abusive detention conditions for January 6th defendants. The heavy-handed treatment was apparently by design. In a controversial television interview, Justice official Michael Sherwin proudly declared that “our office wanted to ensure that there was shock and awe … it worked because we saw through media posts that people were afraid to come back to D.C. because they’re, like, ‘If we go there, we’re gonna get charged.’ … We wanted to take out those individuals that essentially were thumbing their noses at the public for what they did.”
District court judges just went along with the use of the enhancement, even though it was based on a highly attenuated claim. As the D.C. Circuit found, “Congress’s certification of electoral college votes does not fit the ‘administration of justice’ mold.” It then noted:
“Considered in context, Congress’s counting and certification of electoral votes is but the last step in a lengthy electoral certification process involving state legislatures and officials as well as Congress. Taken as a whole, the multi-step process of certifying electoral college votes—as important to our democratic system of government as it is—bears little resemblance to the traditional understanding of the administration of justice as the judicial or quasi-judicial investigation or determination of individual rights.”
The argument of the Biden Administration always seemed curious to me given the claims of former President Donald Trump that Vice President Michael Pence had the authority to reject state certifications. I disagreed with that view. However, arguing that this is a type of judicial proceeding would seem to enhance the Trump argument. Yet, that is what the Justice Department did in many of these cases to enhance sentencing.
Ultimately, Judge Bates’ sentencing was not as high as what the Justice Department wanted. Judge Bates detailed the considerable evidence against Brock in his preparation for violence. He wrote before the riot “Do not kill LEO [law enforcement officers] unless necessary… Gas would assist in this if we can get it.” It was also short of the maximum under the guidelines of 30 months. The sentence may have been reduced by as much as nine months without the enhancer.
There could also be substantial reductions for a couple of hundred of other defendants who were sentenced with the enhancer. It is not clear if the government will appeal the ruling.
We are also waiting for the oral argument in Fischer v. United States, which will consider the use of the felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding against defendants tied to the January 6th riot. Trump is also being prosecuted in part for that crime.
Brock is currently serving his two-year prison term at MCFP Springfield in Missouri.
Here is the opinion: United States v. Brock
Barack Obama will never be eligible for president, will never be a “natural born citizen,” and was ensconced by the Deep Deep State as a wholly ineligible son of a foreign citizen.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are the sleaziest scumbags in America political history:
ARKANSAS CONNECTIONS: A Time Line of the Clinton Years
https://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/arkansas.htm
(excerpt)
1985
A relative of Bill Clinton is raped. Wayne Dumond is arrested and imprisoned in the case. While awaiting sentencing, Dumond himself is sexually assaulted and castrated by two masked men. A local sheriff, later sentenced to 160 years for extortion and drug dealing, displays Dumond’s testicles in a jar on his desk under a sign that read, “That’s what happens to people who fool around in my county.” A parole board, upon receiving new evidence of Dumond’s innocence, will vote to release him after 4 1/2 years in prison. Governor Clinton — according to the managing editor of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette — stages a “romping, stomping fit” and blocks the release.
Someone else may have already posted about this in earlier comments. If so, I apologize if this is redundant. In his March 2 System Update broadcast, the intrepid Glenn Greenwald talked about this ruling at some length and provides additional insights which some readers may find of value. You can find it here https://rumble.com/v4h0jl6-important-court-victory-for-non-violent-jan-6-protesters.html . The full March 2 episode is here https://rumble.com/v4gnyy3-system-update-show-237.html .
Glenn is excellent. He is one of the most objective reporters I know.
While he is fairly left in his views – he does not allow his politics to distort his reporting.
I stopped on page 23 – the feds don’t have a blank check obstruction charge? I got a record because I merely called pd to see why they were at my neighbors- yet my husband can delete all his texts with his lover and hire sanlynn ash hit men at max 29 Jan and that’s no crime … bc he’s col and credibility? Bs
The January 6th reactions are another by-product of a defective Electoral Collage system.
I have previously stated the issues (flaws) with EC, as they relate to the Colorado (States et.al.).
After hearing the Sides argument’s, and not finding a single argument made to ‘suspend the EC’ in this election cycle, until such time that Congress can ether dissolve or correct the issues that ‘Players of the Electoral Collage System’ present, and revert to a straight One-to-One Vote Count (i.e.: Popular Vote Count), I resolve myself to believing that after the 2024 Election the Issue(s) will persist and newer by-products of the system will continue produce problems.
We are coming to the eve of Super Tuesday wherein the Two-Party system will cement their respective Candidates, assuring another battle of manipulation of the EC.
Come January 20th, 2025 We will have all witnessed the conclusion of the battle, with Eyes Wide Shut.
I pray that the SCOTUS can write an Opinion that addresses the problems of the EC and comes to a resolution to solve those problems of the EC, redirecting Congress to enact a resolution upon the Opinion.
To address Colorado narrowly upon ’14th amendment section 3′ will be a monumental and multi-generational loss of opportunity for the Court to settle the root cause of the Issue, that being of the Player’s Battle for the EC.
That’s simply not going to happen. The Court resolves discrete legal issues, and the one before it is: Did the Colorado Supreme Court err in ordering President Trump excluded from the 2024 presidential primary ballot?
The Court is not going to reconvene itself as a new Constitutional Convention and rewrite the Constitution, or direct Congress to do that. There is no part of the Constitution that gives Scotus the authority to take any such action. It sits to decide individual legal cases based on the legal issue involved in that case.
I understand that the SCOTUS is ‘constricted’ to a narrow Constitutional protocol. To that extent I agree with you.
I am suggesting the the Court go beyond the direct opinion of the matter and ‘𝐬𝐮𝐠𝐠𝐞𝐬𝐭’ that Congress re-evaluate the issues of the EC.
This can be done … in writing the Opinion or Dissenting Opinion. I also feel that it is important for the Court to do so, as it reveals the fact that It does not have the power to address the problem (EC defects), and send the message to Congress to take action on it.
Will Congress address it? !. Probably not, because the Parties enjoy the ability to manipulate, even though they are at different positions.
Secondly, I do not believe that if they did take it up, they could come to a Clean answer.
Finally, I would not rather have the SCOTUS address it not the Congress – I just feel that the Court would come to a better solution.
None the less, the problems with the EC will persist, unless they are addressed. It doesn’t need to be a drawn out multi-generational problem, it can begin with this Case and resolved with intelligent Decisions.
Grammar Correction:
Will Congress address it? Probably not, because the Parties enjoy the ability to manipulate, even though they are at different positions.
Secondly, I do not believe that if they did take it up, they could come to a Clean answer.
Finally, I would rather have the SCOTUS address it … not the Congress – I just feel that the Court would come to a better solution.
After Thought:
[Congress] They’re not going to do it on Their own (Fix the EC), They need to told by the SCOTUS to get off Their butts and do something about it.
It doesn’t hurt the SCOTUS to say so, fact is, it can be said with impunity. Put a feather in the Cap of Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr.’s Court.
No one is going to do it period.
It is a very bad idea.
𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐖𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐂𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐞 𝐂𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝?
The Founding Fathers had to compromise when it came to devising a system to elect the president.
By: Dave Roos ~ December 14, 2020
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention
𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐂𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐞 𝐇𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲
What proposals have been made to change the Electoral College process?
… Reference sources indicate that over the past 200 years more than 700 proposals have been introduced in Congress to reform or eliminate the Electoral College. There have been more proposals for Constitutional amendments on changing the Electoral College than on any other subject. The American Bar Association has criticized the Electoral College as “archaic” and “ambiguous” and its polling showed 69 percent of lawyers favored abolishing it in 1987. But surveys of political scientists have supported continuation of the Electoral College. Public opinion polls have shown Americans favored abolishing it by majorities of 58 percent in 1967; 81 percent in 1968; and 75 percent in 1981. …
By: U.S. Archives – Circa: December 17, 2019
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/history
And it is not going away. because you have to be a moron to not grasp that the alternative is worse.
Regardless, you are not going to get 2/3 of state senators, 2/3 of represenatives and 3/4 of state legislatures to vote to disempower their states.
Absolutely spot on. The less populous states would be voting to cut their own throats.
The court does not exist to make suggestions regarding the constitution.
They exist to ORDER govenrment to follow the constitution and law that already exists.
The power you are looking to vest in the Supreme court is much like what Supreme courts in south america have – and whether right or left leaning – that has proved to be absolutely disasterous.
What problems with the EC – there are no problems with the EC.
There are problems with the way elections are conducted. But there are no problems with the EC.
Aside from a very positive political and governmental benefit of forcing presidential candidates to pay attention to voters outside major urban areas, The EC also works pretty well. We do not have allegations of EC fraud.
It is very hard to get a razor thin EC victoy that people will contest.
The Constitution is definitive.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The problem with voting is that States have not “discreetly” restricted the vote in the American restricted-vote republic.
One-man, one-vote democracy engenders and constitutes the “dictatorship of the proletariat” of Karl Marx.
Many people vote because they believe they can vote for largesse when the Constitution denies that craving.
When Article 1, Section 8, is adhered to, voting for the welfare state and its benefits and entitlements is illicit and unconstitutional.
When the benefits and entitlements are eliminated, those voting for them will self-restrict their vote.
By design, the Founders’ first election enjoyed an 11.6% turnout per voter qualifications of male, European, 21, with 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres, and the restrictions of the Naturalization Act of 1790.
America is a restricted-vote republic.
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“…courts…must…declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.”
“…men…do…what their powers do not authorize, [and] what they forbid.”
“[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”
– Alexander Hamilton
The Supreme Court should “suspend the Electoral College” until Congress finds someway to abolish it. And they accused Trump of a “soft coup”.
The electoral college is not going away. The supreme court has no interest and no power to do so and no one has brought a case, nor can they – it would be dismissed immediately.
To get rid of the EC you would have to amend the constitution. And that would required a super majority of states to ratify the amendment – that is not happening.
Nor BTW is the EC a problem – it works exactly as our founders hoped.
It requires presidential candidates to address the issues of the country as a whole – instead of fixating on the few massive population centers in the country.
It does not matter whether those urban voters are left or right – you do not want a handful of major cities int he country controlling the executive.
Is it that hard for you to understand why that would be abysmally stupid ?
The complex structure of the US federal government it decidedly and deliberately antidemocratic – because our founders as well as most people who can think grasp that actual democracy may be one of the worst forms of government there is.
I would suggest reading John Stuart Mills section on democracy in “On liberty”.
No totalitarian tyrant is as dangerous as pure democracy. Even soviet or Maoist communism is likely less threatening.
You do realize that if the election were held today – Trump would win the popular vote by about 8m votes.
The criminal DOJ is at it again. Biden’s Criminal DOJ orders the Criminal FBI to arrest freedom-loving Blaze journalist Steve Bake for his January 6 reporting, in flagrant violation of the US Constitution. Will Jonathan Turley have the courage to address these heinous violations of the Constitution that he claims are near and dear to his heart? Or will he cower and hide from the obvious CRIMINALITY of the US Government.
I don’t blame him if he shuts down on this case and hides from it. Fascism and the Police State are here.
[Freedom, Liberty, Democracy, and the US Constitution will be decided in the next Presidential election. If you’re for those things, then Trump is the candidate to vote for. But if you oppose them and want Fascism and the Police State to take things further, beyond anything you’ve seen before, leading to the complete destruction of America, then, by all means, you’ll be voting for Biden.]
Attorney, podcaster Viva Frei breaks it all down.
WAY too much coffee. WAY too much of his ugly face on camera.
WAY too much lack of intelligence by the above commenter.
Do you have something to discuss about the facts or the arguments ?
Jonathan: The week would not be complete without discussing DJT’s difficulties in coming up with the cash to post bond requirements for his appeals in the E. Jean Carroll second verdict and AG James judgment award. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t have the cash to post both bonds. To do that he has to come up with about $650 million. He doesn’t have that so where is he going to go for the money. Bank loans? Forget it. No reputable bank would be dumb enough to loan him that kind of money–especially after Judge Engoron found him liable for systemic business fraud.
DJT has until Mon or Tuesday of next week to post a bond for his appeal of the jury verdict of $83.3 million in the E. Jean Carroll case. The bond could amount to about $100 million. What if DJT can’t post the bond? Carroll will start going after his assets to enforce the judgment–his bank accounts, his tri-plex in Trump Tower, etc. DJT doesn’t want that so by hook or by crook (more the latter) DJT will find somehow find the money to post the bond in that case.
But what about the $465 million judgment (with interest of about $3million in interest running every month) in the award by Judge Engoron? DJT clearly doesn’t have the money for a bond there. How do we know? Because DJT asked Judge Engoron to accept $100 million as “security” for his appeal. Engoron rejected that offer as did the NY Appellate Division. So if DJT can’t put up the cash before the end of the month AG James, on behalf of the people of NY, will start going after DJT’s assets–and they’re not hard to find in NY. James will have the sheriff put a chain and lock on the front doors of Trump Tower and 40 Wall St!
DJT desperately wants to avoid that. So where will he get the money? Maybe more golden sneaker and other scams? But asking his MAGA supporters to come up with $650 million is a non-starter. Maybe DJT thinks he can leverage his 79 million shares of his SPAC. For many reasons that won’t work either. Besides, those are assets that both E. Jean Carroll and AG James can go after.
So Trump may be forced to borrow from family and friends. What about the $2 billion Jared got from the Saudis? I can hear the conversation between SJT and his son-in-law: “Jared, you wouldn’t have gotten that $2 billion without me. I put you in the WH. You owe me big time!”
Dennis = Trump has no trouble borrowing all the money he wants from Banks – but Engoron has already ordered that he can not use NY banks.
Further there is absolutely no way that Trump can borrow money from anywhere that does not give James new grounds to drag him in from to Engoron and run this face over again.
It would be socking for Trump to have 1/2B in liquid assets. Further Engoron has his NY businesses hobbled.
This entire mess has been deliberately structured to force Trump either to lose a fortune at a fire sale or to default and lose his appeal rights.
But I highly doubt that will happen. Though who knows. I am not sure what the Value of Trump’s NY assets are – my guess is that Trump has significantly moved out of NY long ago and there may only be 500M in assets left in NY.
He may chose to let James seize them – that would expose NY to potential liability for losses when Trump wins on appeal and the judgement is thrown out – which is near universally expected.
Regardless Trump’s most significant problem is finding a way to put up a bond that is NOT open to further nonsense by James and Engoron.
Getting a bond would be easy. Getting a loan would be easy – though I doubt you could get a $10,000 loan in 30 days.
It is not possible to get a mortgage in that amount of time.
Chapter 11 bankruptcy might be a viable alternative. He would keep his right to appeal and prevent any enforcement activity until he is given the chance to propose a plan to restructure his businesses to pay his debts over time.
This would be complicated since he has several businesses. I’m not sure if he can file personally or whether one or more of his businesses would need to file. But the complexity of the situation might work to Trump’s benefit. Does the NY AG understand Chapter 11 bankruptcy?
A point in favor of this strategy is that the BCY judges would probably be sympathetic to his situation.
On the other hand, what would be the political fallout of a bankruptcy filing? I suspect it would be slight, esp. if it is a filing by his businesses.
Some more crack would help you with that head. You long winded whining B.
If you think I have a fact wrong – point it out – that can be checked.
If you think I have made an argument in error – point that out.
There are rules for logic and if you can show where I have violated one I will correct.
John Say: Your pseudo-legalese is failing you again. I love baseball metaphors so let’s play ball and you’re up to bat:
(1) NY Appellate Judge Singh upheld the $454 million judgment BUT temporarily lifted the 3-yr. ban on DJT seeking loans from NY banks. But Deutsche Bank has already cut ties with him–his go to bank in NY. And what other bank in NY will lend him money? No one. That’s your first STRIKE!
(2) “Engoron has his NY businesses hobbled”. Nope. DJT can still do business in NY under the supervision of financial monitor Barbara Jones. Your second STRIKE!
(3) “[m]y guess is that Trump has significant significantly moved out of NY long ago”. That claim is also false. DJT tried that ploy at the last minute in a filing with Judge Engoron. DJT stated that some of his entities and properties now had FL addresses. A day late and a dollar short. That subterfuge failed. STRIKE three!
(4) If you were entitled to 4 at bats you would get another STRIKE. You falsely claim “Getting a bond would be easy. Getting a loan would be easy–though I doubt you could get a $10,000 loan in 30 days.” First, DJT doesn’t have 30 days. The bond in the E. Jean Carroll has to be put up by Monday or Tuesday of next week. The bond in the $454 million judgment is due before the end of the month. Second, if getting a bond were so “easy” why hasn’t DJT done that? That’s because most bonding companies don’t want to take on the risk. Third, a loan? With DJT’s history of bankruptcies and now the $454 million judgment who would loan DJT money? And it must have been a typo but a $10,000 loan? DJT would need 65,00 loans to cover his liabilities!
John, I am really scratching my head over your latest post. Anyone on this blog who thinks you know the facts or the law had better rethink their assumptions!
Dennis – as pointed out, it is not necessary to post a bond in either case. The only purpose of a bond is to stop enforcement action. Who would buy Trump’s properties if both judgments are likely to be set aside or greatly reduced in amount? It would be necessary for Carroll or James to produce a bond to protect the buyers of Trump’s assets, and who would want to issue that bond? So, you also strike out.
Excellent point Edward.
One I had not thought of.
Further if Trump allows James/Kaplan to take over assets, and the judgement is radically reduced or eliminated – they become fiscally responsible for any losses while they hold those assets.
I would further note that it is going to be very hard in the current market to sell Trump’s assets.
While Trump’s NYC properties are top of the line – and have not been hit hard like most NYC office space – the NYC property market is very depressed right now, even for high end properties that have not lost value – interest rates are very high and that has choked the market.
I have a due dilligence business. I did 300 project many properties like Trump’s in NYC in 2022 before interest rates went up. I am lucky to have gotten 2 a month since. Nobody is selling. Nobody is buying in commercial real estate. Interest rates are too high.
” NY Appellate Judge Singh upheld the $454 million judgment”
False, there has been no appeal. Singh refused to summarily dismiss the judgement – that is NOT upgholding it.
” BUT temporarily lifted the 3-yr. ban on DJT seeking loans from NY banks.”
Correct because the order was illegal.
“But Deutsche Bank has already cut ties with him–his go to bank in NY.”
Correct – Why would DB or any other bank want to Touch Trump (or frankly any investor) in NY right now.
” And what other bank in NY will lend him money? No one.”
Correct – no bank will touch Trump so long as he is the target of this political vendetta in NY.
Aparently you can not read – I SAID THAT.
I would note this is also a MAJOR constitutional problem for Engoron.
The US constitution forbids Government from interfering in private contracts.
That was part of Why Engoron’s order regarding NY banks was vacated.
Frankly Engoron is dancing awfully close to an unconstitutional bill of attainder.
Regardless, while there are billions of (dollars) of excellent reasons that this will (quietly) disappear relatively quickly.
Should NY not dispose of this at the NY appelate level – you are likely to get a very harsh decison from SCOTUS on any number of grounds.
Frankly – ignoring the fact that the entire case was bogus from the start – as numerous people in real estate investing have pointed out – Jame’s case is an actual fraud. Hoschul has tried stupidly to calm NY investors by claiming this is a once and done, and that they were only after Trump and that they are only going after Fraud.
The problem with that is there is absolutely NOTHING different from Trump’s real estate deals that every other major (and minor) investor – in NY, in the US.
Beyond that it is near certain at some point that Willis, Bragg and James are going to be targeted for illegal and unconstitutionally targeting Trump. They openly campaigned on going after Trump. You can not do that not in the US.
That is Literally what the USSR Levanti Berria did.
Do you left wing nuts enjoy channelling the bloodiest regimes in existance ?
” That’s your first STRIKE!”
Lets see I say Trump will have problems getting any bank to lend to him – because no one wants to get within 100miles of having to deal with Engoron,
and you say I am wrong, and your argument is that I am right ?
Please actually read what I write before telling me I am wrong.
“DJT can still do business in NY under the supervision of financial monitor Barbara Jones.”
That is called Hobbled – Jones is a moron and had already lost millions before the appeals courts reigned her in.
But even if she were not a moron – she is not a multibillionaire.
I will absolutely guarantee you that Anything that she has any control over will lose money until she is disposed of.
I know that you left wing nuts think that running businesses is easy. It is NOT. There are possibly 5000 people in the US that could run Trump’s NY interests without F#$King up – and Joes is not one of those
“Your second STRIKE!”
Once again your argument is that I am wrong because I am right.
“That claim is also false. DJT tried that ploy at the last minute in a filing with Judge Engoron. DJT stated that some of his entities and properties now had FL addresses. A day late and a dollar short.”
I have looked at Trumps assets – Very few of them are still in NY.
You are arguing about the legal addresses of Trump’s businesses – and whether you like it or Not – though Engoron and Jones can make it difficult – Trump can move his busineses out of NY.
If you doubt me – look at What Musk did to Delaware. Until recently viewed as the most business friendly courts in the U – a Delaware judge made the idiotic mistake of allowing a very stupid shareholder lawsuit by a single shareholder owning a dingle Share of Tesla to contest a perfectly legal compensation package that Musk negotiated – that made Tesla shareholders a fortune.
So Musk said F$%K it and has left Delaware – and that will cost Delaware a fortune in corporate taxes.
You really do not understand. There is only one way for government to prevail in the free market – that is to completely destroy the market. Otherwise the mistakes that govenrments make in the markets just result in changes in the behavior of the markets – but NOT the ones governments intend.
Kevin OLeary – one of the Shark Tank Billionaires provided a list of Loser states – CA and NY are at the top of the list,
and winner states – all Red. What makes a state a loser state ? A hostile business environment, high taxes, high cost of living.
What makes on a winner state – low taxes, the rule of law, low cost of living.
Regardless, Trump has a very small number of assets that have prestige value to him that are still in NY.
I will bet that Trump will Move his business out of NY – and if you think that Engoron and Jones can stop that – you are a moron.
Do you think Delaware can stop Musk from moving ?
” STRIKE three!”
I suggest that you avoid baseball – you have no idea what a ball/strike/or hit is.
On most points the only disagreement between us is your Spin.
First it is an actual FACT that Trump has few remaining Assets in NY.
If you doubt that – Forbes lists Trump’s assets. Their values and their current Mortgages.
One of the problems that James/Engoron have illegally made for Trump is that Trump WISELY paid off his mortages on most of his properties Before inflation and interest rates sky rocketed.
” If you were entitled to 4 at bats”
If you are going to use baseball analogies – learn baseball.
“DJT doesn’t have 30 days”
Correct – again we agree. Regardless, I doubt you can get a mortgage in 90days.
You may never have had anything to do with business, finance. borrowing. mortgages and due dilligence – But I have.
“The bond in the E. Jean Carroll has to be put up by Monday or Tuesday of next week. The bond in the $454 million judgment is due before the end of the month.”
So ? I am not going to predict What Trump will do. But NY is playing a very dangerous game. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Trump will do nothing and allow Kaplan and James to try to get money out of him.
It will be hard to reach assets outside of NY – not impossible but hard. It could take them years.
It would look really good for him politically.
You keep trying to make him into a Martyr – and he is doing a wonderful job of playing it to the hilt.
You do know that Trump’s polling has gone up 1-2 pts since the Engoron decision ?
You are losing. You are alienating people.
You are living in your own bubble, and you can not see what is happening in the real world.
“That’s because most bonding companies don’t want to take on the risk.”
The only risk that Trump has a problem with is the Risk posed by James and Engoron.
There is a reason that FB loaned Trump a fortune, and a reason that but for the Risk posed by Engorno, James and Joes that DB and many other banks or lenders would do so again.
Trump is conservatively worth 2.6B – as I noted before his share of Rumble – the SPAC is valued at 100M, but it would be worth 4B if Rumble went public. Trump has an estimated 400M in cash right now. He has unmortgaged assets conservatively worth 1.2B – as long as James and Engorn do not get to value them.
Separately Why hasn’t Trump done X ?
Because Trump is dealing with Billions of dollars much of which is not liquid. Tiny mistakes – like those Jones has already made cost MILLIONS. Trump can easily deal with this if he wants to. What is much harder – is doing so without throwing away tens of millions.
Trump is NOT Jones – or Engoron – or James or Your. He is NOT a financial moron.
I proposed that Trump could just abandon his properties in NY. I suspect that he will not do that.
There is no question that Trump will win this all in the end. The only question is how much it will cost him to do so.
He also will have an excellent case for damages against NY. But it is really hard to win huge damage awards against the state.
I would note – which you keep ignoring that the apeals courts have already thrown much of this case out. Engoron ignored the higher court ruling limiting him to financial deals made after 2014 – of which there are few. But Engoron’s deliberately ignoring the apeals court will be quickly overturned. Frankly he should be disbarred along with James for this fiasco.
“With DJT’s history of bankruptcies and now the $454 million judgment who would loan DJT money?”
Trump has borrowed Billions since the last bankruptcy – you are a moron who has no idea how businesses work.
There are a couple of Forbes video’s covering the many many many places Trump can borrow a fortune.
Regardless, the BIG deal is NOT the amount, it ios NOT the judgement, it is NOT trumps history – Trump had far far far more than enough assets to cover that. You do not seem to understand how secured loans work.
“And it must have been a typo but a $10,000 loan?”
Once again READ what I actually wrote.
This is NOt that hard.
I said YOU can not get a 10,000 loan in 30days.
“John, I am really scratching my head over your latest post”
That would be because your reading comprehension skills are poor.
” Anyone on this blog who thinks you know the facts or the law had better rethink their assumptions!”
My posts will be here for years to look back at.
Just as yours are.
I have made very few errors in the past.
There is almost nothing you have gotten correct.
I am not worried about my credibility – my posts my arguments the facts I have cited – speak for themselves.
New York’s “post a bond or you can’t appeal” rule denies persons in Trump’s position the constitutionally guaranteed and fundamental right of access to the Courts.
It allowed Engoron to structure a ridiculous judgment in a such a way to prevent Trump from appealing the judgment.
That is the epitome of arbitrary and capricious conduct.
Jared did not get $2B from the Saudis. Jared is investing $2B of Saudi money in NY real estate that is not the same thing.
As tot he SPAC – Trump’s share has an estimated value of $4B if it goes public – so Yes he could leverage those shares.
But going public takes months, and even if he did, he would not be allowed to cash those shares in for atleast a year.
There are rules on all of this.
Regardless Trump’s fundimental problem is getting 1/2B in an impossible amount of time without doing something that gives left wing nuts another means to screw him over.
I have little doubt that the leading presidential candidate in 2024 who is worth billions can not get any number of people to loan him $500m,
but all of them will either want something in return in the future or create the appearance that Trump is in their debt.
The problem is not getting 500M. the problem is getting 500M without creating an opening for either Engoron or James or a major political problem.
I am not entirely sure that Trump may not choose to allow James to seize NY assets – that will be a really bad look for her and Engorn,
That works best for Trump politically. He will regain control later when the cases are dismissed,
and he will have an excellent lawsuit against NY for his loses.
Separately – it is currently estimated that the tax loses as a result of Capitol flight from NY will cost the state of NY atleast $1B per year.
This loss will NOT be corrected should Trump win on appeal. It is going to take draconian efforts on the part of NY to restore the trust of investors.
I suspect that Trump’s family and friends do not have between them $500M that can be made liquid in 30 days.
You do not understand wealth and investing.
It will be incredibly hard for James or Carroll to touch assets outside of NY – not impossible – but not something that can be done in years much less days.
And for all of the salivating that James and Carrol might be doing – they are on the losing end of this – and they know it,
it is all posturing.
These awards will be reduces or tossed entirely – though it may take years.
NY in particular faces the possibility of owing Trump damages for any losses he incurrs from having to pay excessive judgements.
It would be very easy for SCOTUS to decide Engoron’s decision was a 5th amendment taking.
Correction – Forbes claims that Trump has about $400M in cash on hand.
What if DJT can not post the bond ? What about that ?
You just create new grounds for appeal.
The rule of law, and due process and the 14th amendment assure that Trump has the right to appeal.
One way or another there is going to be an appeal.
Do you really think that SCOTUS is going to say – yeah, sure, fine, corrupt AG’s and judges can make appeals impossible by just setting the fine high enough in a case where the only fraud is that of the courts, there is no victim and no one suffered a loss.
This is probably impracticle – but Deutche bank should probably demand that Engoron give the money to them – after all Engoron determined that this is money that DB would have made had Trump valued his properties in the way that Engoron wanted.
Then DB can return the money to Trump.
“I can hear the conversation between SJT and his son-in-law: ”
Dennis -your hearing things – your off your meds.
Dennis, we have heard these the walls are closing in we have finally got Trump” nonsense for almost 8 years now.
When is it that you finally admit that it is not Trump that is the Problem – it is you.
For almost eight years time after time – you have proven repeatedly that Trump is not guilty of anything.
And yet still you are sure you are just moments away from your final revenge.
You can find on youtube plenty of analysis of Trump’s finances and how this is likely to play out.
Aparently the appeals court has already vacated the part of Engron’s order limiting the banks that Trump can borrow from.
Anyone that Thinks engron is going to do well at the apelate level is a moron.
Aparantly new investment in NY is drying up faster than I had expected. NY has a few valuable assets. It has a cheap reliable source of power from Niagra Falls. But otherwise it is a very unattractive state for investment – and getting worse.
The Trump decision is NOT the only reason that investment is leaving NY, but it has already accellerated the process.
As to financing – Trump has an estimated $400M in cash on hand and an estimated 1.2B in properties that have no debt on them – even using Engrons ridiculous valuations. Trump’s fundimental problems are:
Because Biden has F’d up the economy – borrowing is egregiously expensive right now.
Trump can not put all of his cash into this or he will not be able to continue to run his business.
Mortgaging properties takes time – far more than 30 days.
One reason that mortgaging properties takes time is because of the Due Dilligence that both banks and the law require that Engron pretended away that make Engoron’s decision moronic.
Only a left wing nut beleives it is even possible to commit mortgage fraud today – and BTW it is HARDER It Trump’s level.
Absolutely Trump gets incredibly favorable treatment – because he is a whale. But his properties, his assets his cashflow
everysingle thing about how his companies are run was analy probed every single time he borrowed money.
No bank anywhere is going to say – aw, its trump – we do not have to check things.
In fact banking laws require that they verify the security on a loan – though such laws are not necescary as most Banks are among the most fiscally conservative institutions in the world.
I would further note that we have had a recen spate of Bank failures – these are NOT banks that loaned Real Estate investors like Trump money. These are the banks that bought into ESG and left wing nonense.
I noted that NY is in the midst of major capital flight.
The Trump decision is driving that.
Inflation – which hits urban centers harder is part of that
High interest is part of that.
Demographic problems are part of that.
High taxes are part of that
Rising crime is part of that.
DM – every day you tell us that the walls are closing in, that Trump is going down.
You have been doing this for 8yrs now.
Why do you think that anything is different ?
Your efforts to “Get Trump” have been the most powerful force throwing the election his way.
You can rant about me, or other posters who do not buy your TDS BS,
But the FACT is that people see through your naked hatred and abuse of power.
You can rant and rave and pretend that the latest left wing efforts are somehow justified or that the courts will give them their impramatur.
But the FACT is the more egregious your lawlessness in “Getting Trump” the more Trump’s polls rise and the more Biden’s go down.
Your blinded to reality by your own Trump Hatred.
You ran a long post saying how Wrong I was – where the only difference between your post and mine was your heavy handed spin.
You constantly say I was wrong about something in the past – when again you presumed incorrectly what I had said in the past.
You do not seem to understand that I want you and Democrats to continue this lawless stupidity.
The more egregious your conduct the stronger the backlash. Whether that is at the polls or the appellate courts.
Regardless, those of you on the lunatic left – have done this to yourselves.
You da bomb, John Says.
Keep on rockin’…..and commenting….
and kicking old Denny’s a$$ (figuratively, of course)
Dennis McIntyre, police state fascist and Defender of Democracy™️ is off-topic Trumpping again:
Jonathan: The week would not be complete without discussing DJT’s difficulties in coming up with the cash…/i>
Did anybody believe Dennis our resident Soviet Democrat police state fascist would go off topic to post about how his fellow Soviets in Colorado got their attempt to destroy democracy shot down by SCOTUS?
Or going off topic to discuss the difficulties of other legal proceedings for Biden White House Crime LLC? Here’s some for you Dennis:
Perjury charges imminent: Bribery Biden contradicts testimony of son Hunter
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/03/02/now-joe-biden-is-contradicting-hunter-bidens-testimony-n4926943
Perjury charges imminent: James Biden confirms President Biden received $40,000 from ChiComs
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/james-biden-confirms-joe-biden-received-funds-originating-from-chinese-firm/ar-BB1jdIdK
Things aren’t going well for the Fini Willis component of the Biden White House RICO conspiracy to take out Trump…
Perjury charges imminent: Closing Arguments in Fani Willis Disqualification Hearing Do Not Go Well For Her
redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/03/02/closing-arguments-fani-willis-n2170831
Old Airborne Dog,
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“The Recalibration of Colonel Brock: D.C. Circuit Ruling for J6 Rioter Could Impact Hundreds of Cases”
– Professor Turley
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Fulton County Superior Judge Scott McAfee’s inevitable decision to remove in Georgia v. Trump et al. will “impact” and cause a requirement to review all of District Attorney Fani Willis’ cases.
The Supreme Court, 2022, recently acted retroactively by 50 years to correct the Supreme Court of 1973 and Roe v. Wade.
The Supreme Court, 2024, must act retroactively by 150 years to correct all acts of Lincoln subsequent to Lincoln’s unconstitutional denial of secession—a power “not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, and reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”—which are all unconstitutional by extension, including, but not limited to, all acts of Lincoln’s immediate successors, the “Reconstruction Amendments,” confiscation of private property, failure to provide “just compensation” for “taken” private property, failure to enforce extant immigration law on January 1, 1863, and egregious mass loss of economic vitality, property, and life by particular States.
America must endeavor mightily to engage in “fundamentally transforming the United States of America” back to its thesis of freedom and self-reliance and back to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Not in Allah, but
IN GOD WE TRUST.
They should recalibrate the Qnon Shaman. He didn’t hurt nobody. He probably thought he was on a guided tour.
*and, for a brief moment, the best acting Senate pro tem president we’ve had in the 21st century. ..
So long as one ANTIFA or one BLM rioter who burned millions in property and killed scores of innocents walks the streets unidicted, this is selective prosecution and ought to be thrown out. Two wronngs don’t make a right but a wrong the Left does like doesn’t Trump (yeah, its intended) one it doesn’t like. Let the J6ers go free if you let the Leftist mob go free.
Rational fair minded people should be able to confirm that when lawful protest turns to illegal acts, those acts should be charged. Where there are convictions sanctions that are consistent with similar offenses should be handed out. Stare decisis. Equal justice for all.
But there is no equal justice for all in Washington DC when lawful protests result in some committing criminal acts.
Prior to the J6 three hour riot, Democrat protestors stormed into Congress within feet of the assembled senators, interrupting not a vote to confirm president elect Joe Biden, but stop a vote confirming Justice Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. House Speaker Pelosi never rushed to appoint a J6 type select committee as she would J6. Did not even say “threat to our democracy”. The FBI did not hunt down every person attempted to stop that constitutional process. None of them, not even one of the leaders appeared before the judges now sentencing the J6 trespassers and rioters.
Prior to the J6 three hour riot during the last part of the 2020 election campaign, there was a day long riot where rioters attempted to assault the White House with President Trump inside. The Secret Service became so concerned they would lose the battle to prevent rioters to get into the White House that they evacuated the president and his family to a secure bunker. Over 50 Secret Service and Capital Police suffered wounds during the fighting to repel rioters that they had to be transported to hospital. Neither Biden nor Harris then on the campaign trail urged those rioters to just peacefully and patriotically protest, nor did they tell them to go home. Instead it was Biden publicly saying they were “a courageous group of Americans” while Harris said “they will not stop, nor should they stop”.
After this, Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not do as she would do a few months later: establish a committee to investigate the riot and determine who the leaders of the rioters were, and who the responsible people were. The FBI did not scour the country to find and charge single rioter who threw Molotov Cocktails and used other weapons to wound their fellow federal law enforcement agents, much less spend millions of dollars tracking down every single rioter assaulting the White House to arrest them to bring them to trial.
Contrast this to the treatment the FBI, Nancy Pelosi, and the DoJ handed out to the J6 trespassers and rioters. The Democrats and their DoJ and FBI spent millions of dollars to have their FBI and DoJ hunt down every single J6 participant and prosecute them to the most extreme extent of the law. Contrast that to how the same Democrats and their DoJ and FBI did little or nothing to hunt down and prosecute the criminals who stormed into the Senate to stop the confirmation of Justice Thomas, and those who wounded and sent over 50 Secret Service and Capitol Police officers to hospital while attempted to assault the White House with Trump and his family inside.
Aside from the overcharging and mischarging mentioned here, the deliberate concealment of exculpatory evidence that Washington DC judges have not minded in the slightest, what the J6 defendants are getting as treatment from the DoJ, FBI, and Washington DC judges is the complete opposite of the complete pass with which these earlier riots were treated.
This is what the Democrat version of equal justice for all and ‘nobody is above the law looks like’, here on public display. Rational fair minded people know that this is the exact opposite of equal justice for all. No matter how many times they’re asked “Please don’t believe your lying eyes and ears”.
If those who stormed into the Senate earlier to stop the constitutional process of voting to confirm a Supreme Court Judge rather than confirming a president elect, and those earlier who attempted to assault the White House had received a fraction of the law enforcement and justice system response being levied at the J6 defendants… nobody would have dared attempt what happened on January 6th.
This is Soviet style justice yet again, not American equal justice. Democrat Amerika.
Jonathan: Colonel Brock’s 2 year sentence will probably be reduced as a result of the DC Court’s ruling on the “enhancer” counts–unless the DOJ appeals. But whatever the ultimate sentence imposed on Brock it doesn’t diminish his culpability in participation in the J. 6 insurrection. A jury of his peers found Brock guilty and that is the pin we should put in DJT’s claim his supporters who stormed the Capitol are “patriots” and should be pardoned. The FBI is still identifying others who participated and they too will be held accountable.
But you accuse the DOJ with “excessive charging and abusive detention conditions” of the J.6 defendants. Really? First, every prosecutor looks for every possible charging count. That’s true in EVERY criminal case–not just the cases involving the J 6 defendants. And why the “enhancer” counts? Because we’re not talking about a bar fight. We’re talking about an attempt to violently overthrow the peaceful transfer of power to keep DJT in power. That’s unprecedented and why the DOJ called for “enhancer” counts.
Second, what “abusive detention conditions” are you talking about? Some defendants have complained about their conditions in pre-trial detention. This may have been the first time some have been incarcerated. It’s a sobering experience. What did they expect? A 4-star hotel? To be treated differently than any other detainee? Probably, because they thought they were carrying out the directives of their leader–the President of the United States. Not exactly a reason to be treated differently than any other criminal defendant.
And what about those who skipped bail and fled–only to be caught, arrested and put back in jail? Should they too escape “enhancer” counts? I don’t think so!
Dennis McIntyre posted this to his very close and dear personal friend, Professor Turley
Jonathan, it doesn’t diminish his culpability in participation in the J. 6 insurrection.
What a way to show contempt for a friend you know on a first name basis: repeatedly lying to your friend that J6 was an insurrection.
Dennis, you must explain to us why the police state fascist you pimp for, Jack Smith, hasn’t charged Trump with insurrection if that took place. After all, SCOTUS called him a threat to our republic who invented law to prosecute while they were throwing the McDonnell conviction out. Is Jack Smith repentant and no longer invents laws to prosecute now that it’s Trump that Biden’s sent him to take out like he took out McDonnell the last time? Or Smith doesn’t know there’s an insurrection statute?
But you accuse the DOJ with “excessive charging and abusive detention conditions” of the J.6 defendants. Really?
Context from just a few months earlier: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11752998/trump-secure-bunker-friday-george-floyd-protests-white-house/
And here’s Dennis cosplaying he isn’t aware that the rioters that assaulted the White House a few months earlier in a day long riot got a complete pass from the same FBI, same DoJ, same Commissar Pelosi and her commissions.
The Capitol riot that sent scores of wounded FBI and Capitol Police to hospital, wounded by rioters (insurrectionists?) while trying to get into the White House to murder Trump. Trying to murder a sitting president and his family doesn’t meet Dennis’s criteria for ‘insurrection’? Trespassing on the Senate lawn does?
They’re still walking around free as a bird, not looking over their shoulders as the FBI hunting the J6 trespassers comes looking for them as well.
Dennis, speaking of trespassers and rioters occupying the Senate, here’s one from not to long before J6 – ANOTHER occupation of the Senate. And done so while the Senators were sitting there, just a few feet away:
https://news.yahoo.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-protesters-ignore-police-194043428.html
Went on for days, Dennis. Insurrection to stop a confirmation vote in a constitutional process? They getting the exact same treatment from the same FBI and DoJ, Dennis?
You Soviet Democrat police state fascists hoping your hypocrisy and double standards don’t get noticed are vile un-American Soviet frauds.
I am distrurbed about Brocks remark that killing LEO’s should be minimized – that is an intention to commit acts that go beyond those protected by the first amendment.
But alone it is not a crime. I am open to examine the rest of the evidence against Brock in light of that remark to see if there is a crime he is guilty of. But so far no evidence of an actuial crime has been produced.
Yes, this DC panel is reducing his sentence – but they are doing so because the conviction is itself illegal, but they are not in a position to vacate the conviction, that is pending before SCOTUS right now.
But were we ARE is of 7 DC judges that have heard the 1512C claim – 5 have decided that it violates the 1st amendment and one ruled in a squishy way that sort of gave DOJ a 2:1 majroity to allow these 1512c prosecutions.
And you think that SCOTUS is going to uphold these convictions ? Fat chance – the law is misapplied and would be unconstitutional if it were being correctly applied.
I would further note that the self evident abuse of 1512c – by prosecutors, judges and juries in DC are PROOF that DC is politically corrupt and that most of these people should be pardoned.
You rant about thousands of people.
Vacate all the tresspassing convictions NOW – they are all unconstitutional. You can not tresspass on the most important public forumn for free speech in the U while congress is in session. That would gut the first amendment.
Now you only have a few hundred convictions left, and 300 of those are for 1512c – those are already NOT permitted as a sentencing enhancement by this recent decision – and with near certainty will be struck by SCOTUS either as an unconstitutionally broad use of the law, or as a violation of the first amendment or both shortly.
So now you are down to probably less than 100 convictions total.
Put simply your narative regarding J6 is colapsing.
Dennis – the idea that the phrase “a jury of one’s peers” means anything is naive at best. We don’t have an aristocracy in this country. Everyone is the peer of everyone else.
The question is: could the J6 Defendants have gotten a fair trial? I think not. The denizens of DC vote 90 per cent in favor of Democrats. The major newspapers are the NYT and the WP. The commentators on TV are overwhelmingly Democratic-leaning. This is the quantity factor.
Let’s consider the quality factor. For over four years, the media have been shrieking at tre top of their lungs that Trump is a stooge of Putin and probably a Nazi sympathizer. Even the most leveled-headed person is likely to break under that pressure and join the anti-Trump chorus, ala Joe Scarborough.
Finally, you must recognize that the DOJ and Nancy Pelosi sandbagged the J6 defendants by not releasing all of the tapes of iof the J6 demonstration It also appears that the DOJ hid Ray Epps from questioning.
If memory serves, the chief of the Capitol Police told Tucker Carlson that other information was withheld from the J6 defendants, e.g. the offer of National Guard troops, turned down by Pelosi.
So, there was no possibility that Trump supporters could have received a fair trial in DC. The rest of the country should disregard those masquerades of legal process.
Edwardmahl: You sound like John Say. Every single J.6 defendant was given a fair trial. Jurors are not selected by political persuasion. Through voir dire every juror is selected by whether they can render a “fair and impartial” verdict. A defendant and prosecutor can dismiss any potential juror who can’t through preemptory or challenges for cause. The final jury panel is agreed upon both parties agreement and approved by the judge. How can you possible claim that process is “unfair”?
Now DJT continues to complain that he can’t get a fair in either NY or DC. He probably thinks he would get a fairer trial in Boise, Idaho where he has a lot of supporters. Undoubtedly. But that’s not how the criminal justice system works. Jury trials take place in the jurisdiction where the alleged crime occurred. Take the Mar-a-Lago docs case. Jack Smith had to file that indictment in the northern district of FL. And who did he get? Federal judge Aileen Cannon appointed by DJT. Cannon is doing her best to postpone that trial until after the election–as a favor to the guy who appointed her. Do you see DJT complaining about Cannon? Nope. He loves her, not only because she has given him so many favorable rulings but because northern Fl is Trump country where potential jurors will be selected.
It’s all sour grapes, Edward. Every convicted defendant thinks he was “railroaded” by an unfair system. Jails and prisons are filled with people who thought they got a “raw deal”. So let me ask you this Q: If it was anyone else but DJT would you still make the same claim against the criminal justice system?
DM we have not seen a fair trial of a Republican in DC or NY since Trump descended the escalator.
Frankly we have not seen a fair trial of a democrat either – we have seen Levanti Beria Justice.
There is an excellent video by Glenn Greenwald on Rumble and Youtube where he compares the horible politicization of the courts that has occured in Brazil to that in the US – fortunately we are not yet to the level of Brazil.
It was also interesting. Greenwald who is NOT a Bolsinaro fan – Bolsanarotried to jail Greenwald. pointed out that thought he claims of Ballot Fraud in Brazil were bogus. That Lula still won a rigged election – because the Brazillian Supreme court shutdown all pro Bolsanaro Media.
Dennis McIntyre goes overboard lying in support of Soviet Democrat police state fascism:
Edwardmahl: You sound like John Say. Every single J.6 defendant was given a fair trial.
That’s a lie worthy of Bribery Biden, who still claims he knows nothing of The Cashier Kid’s customers.
“Fair” would be the J6 defendants getting the exact same treatment that the Soviet Democrats street thugs in Pantifa and Black Liars & Marxists got for their White House Day Of Mostly Peaceful Insurrection. The full day that they rioted, pillaged and repeatedly attempted to murder Secret Service with thrown Molotov Cocktails while they attempted to storm the White House to murder Trump and his family. Over 50 Secret Service and Capital Police suffering wounds from Molotov Cocktails and bricks that required them to be transported to hospital.
Not a single one of them has spent a day in the cells J6 protesters have been held in for months. The FBI so diligent in hunting down trespassing grannies who took selfies on the Senate lawn have yet to charge a single one of the White House Mostly Peaceful Insurrection Crowd’s felons who attempted to murder federal peace officers.
So to sum up: this is what a Soviet Democrat police state fascist calls fair trials:
1. Storm the White House to attempt to get at Trump and his family, wound law enforcement with Molotov cocktails… a fair trial is there will be no trial.
2. Trespass on the Senate lawn on J6, don’t lay a hand on law enforcement, take a selfie… a fair trial is a trial concluding with a long prison sentence.
The explanation that events that took place a few hundred yards and a few months apart are both fair trials? “Please don’t believe your lying eyes.”.
Soviet Democrats like Dennis McIntyre supporting such radically different treatment are vile, evil police state fascists.
I am sure that there must be atleast one person who skiped bail among those charged related to J6 – but I am not aware of a single one.
It is not some large number.
Regardless, no you can not enhance someone’s sentence for skipping bail.
They forfiet their bail, and they will be denied bail. But that does not change anything else about their prosecution.
I would note that for the most part the REVERSE has been near universally true.
J6 participants were Told that they would be charged – long ago, often again and again.
Arrangements were made to peacefully surrender, be arraigned and then released – often ROR – because most of this is BS.
But after being threatened with arrest, negotiating peaceful surrender over and over and over, suddenly the FBI shows up and SWATS them – dragging them off in handcuffs – pointing automatic weapons at them and their families.
These are people who agreed to surrender peacefully multiple times. Who did not flee anywhere.
Who negotiated in good faith with a DOJ that lied to them.
Just last week a Blaze journalist was arrested for J6 – note the ONLY jornalists arrested so far have been conservatives who reported on J6 in a way DOJ does not like. This journalist was there with a press badge and a press cammera walkign with reporters from CBS and NBC who have not been arrested. He entered opened doors, and was directed by the CP and left when asked to leave.
The only thing he did differently from NBC and CBS journalists was he actually reported – including his video that what he saw was peaceful.
If you beleive these convictions are unbiased – bring the cases in West Virginia or Ohio and lets see if you can get a conviction there.
“Jose Antonio Ibarra, a 26-year-old immigrant from Venezuela, was charged with kidnapping and murdering Laken Riley”
will get the same trial and the same conviction pretty much no matter where in the US he is tried.
With absolute certainty Colonel Brock will not – and you KNOW that.
It is unlikely that Brock or 95% of the J6’rs would be convicted of anything outside of a dozen counties in the US.
If someone can go to federal prison for 2 years – but only if tried in a tiny portion of the country – that is proof of severe political bias and weaponization.
No one is entitled to the venue of their choice. But they are entitled to a fair and impartial judge and jury.
See the Sam Sheppard case.
If you can not get a conviction in 95% of the country that by definition proves you do not have a fair and impartial jury and judge.
It is one thing – though still offensive, to say that if you come to NYC or LA or SF or Atlanta – you are assumed to have accepted the biases present in those locations and you are subject to their hostile laws. This is no different that a lack of sympathy for Riley gains who violated the Laws of Russia and faced draconian consequences – unfair, but life for people in Russia every day.
The same is NOT true of the nations capitol. It is the national capital – it is the capitol city for ALL americans – it is the soruce of all federal laws, it is where we go to protest the conduct of the federal govenrment.
We can not have a tiny fraction of the country making the laws that determine the protest rights of the entire country.
The DC jail is one of the worst in the country. Few of these defendants would be held in jail prior to trial in most of the country.
Further these defendants are being denied medical treatment, they are being put in solitary for hundreds of days at a time.
And you seem to forget that until they are convicted they are entitled to the presumption of innocence.
They are being provided with public defenders that not only presume they are guilty but hate them and what they stand for,
they are being pressured to plead guilty to add notches to the weaponized left wing nuts prosecutors belt.
The purpose of the conditions is to compel please – because all of them will go to federal prisons where conditions are much better if the only plead guilty.
We improperly tolerate this for people accused of rape or murder.
But nearly all of these people are in the DC jail for charges that are unconstitutional.
They are being treated differently from other detainees – to some extent that is fortunate – as few have been put in with “gen pop” and they have been beaten. Generally DOJ is separating them – because if too many are killed in Jail that might screw up the narrative.
At the same time they are being held in horrific conditions – many of them are in solitary for long periods of time.
Many are older and being denied necessary medical care. Contra the left – the population of prisons tends to be young and healthy.
They are being denied access to their lawyers.
Many have been held longer than they could be sentenced.
Prof. Turley – – sorry – the claim that protestors were interfering with the administration of justice is bogus no matter what.
The entire domain of elections is NOT the “administration of justice”
The administration of justice is specific to activities associated with criminal law.
Maybe it can also be applied to Torts – but even that is a reach.
It does not apply to anything that congress does – except impeachment.
Government powers must ALWAYS be construed narrowly and individual rights always read broadly to have a government that actually works.
While you are correct that the DOJ claim that the activity was “the administration of justice” thoroughly undermines the idiotic claim that the certification of the election was proforma.
Regardless, 1512c would be unconstitutional even with respect to the administration of justice, in the way DO is applying it.
Their read of 1512c would have allowed DO/FBI to mass arrest beligerant protestors at the Chauvin trial.
The same applies to conservatives regarding Supreme court protests – While I have no problem with laws precluding protestors from protests in residential areas – like near judges homes – regardless of their motives.
At the same time – protestors are constitutionally free to protest at court houses – again regardless of their motives.
Sen Schumer’s attack on Supreme court justices was unethical, immoral and improper.
It was constitutional and lawful.
Protestors are free to demand and threaten – short of violence with respect to courts – even the supreme court.
They are free to pound on the doors, they are free to enter and pound their fists and stomp their feet.
They are free to do so regardless of the merits of what they are protesting for or against.
They are NOT free to take that to judges and justices homes.
The same is true of J6. Protestors are free to do or say anything short of actual violence.
Not only are the 1512c charges unconstitutional – the trespassing charges are unconstitutional for exactly the same reason.
Government may not game the law to thwart protests, to thwart the execercise of free speech.
One of the differences that I have with you is that I am NOT aghast or offended by the effort to “interfere” with the certification of the election.
Or more accurately I am no more offended by that that ranting and raving in front of the supreme court over Dobbs or ranting and raving outside the Chauvin Trial. The later is an actual interferance in the administration of justice AND is a protected first amendment activity.
Govenrment can not use tresspass laws to thwart protestors. protesting government actions at government fascilities – particularly those that are Public Forumns for free speech or petitioning govenrment.
The US capitol is the single most important public forum for free speech int he United states.
The correct decision from the courts is that there can be no tresspass with respoect to the public portions of the capitol while congress is in session, and even Tresspass in the private portions must be disfavored or minimized.
The US tradition of free speech means that even Nazi’s have free speech rights.
You can not disproportionately burden free speech or punish it based on the viewpoint of those speaking.
Even the actual violence – to a point must be lightly prosecuted – Actually initiating violence against another – such as a police officer – is not acceptable and must be punished – no matter what.
But breaking a window in the Capitol to gain entry to conduct legitimate protest is far less significant than breaking into someones home.
John Say posted:
Prof. Turley – – sorry – the claim that protestors were interfering with the administration of justice is bogus no matter what.
A comment relevant to just that part of your post…
There was an earlier occupation of the Senate during the Trump presidency. It went on for a couple of days: the trespassers/protesters/rioters/insurrectionists were stopping the Senators from having the confirmation vote to put Justice Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. Doing that while the senators were present a few feet away. You could call it interference with the administration of justice, or interference with a constitutional duty of the Senate. But whatever you call it, they were occupying the Senate and preventing a confirmation vote from taking place.
https://news.yahoo.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-protesters-ignore-police-194043428.html
Prior to that, another riot went on for over a day a few months before J6, wounding and sending over 50 Secret Service and Capitol Police to hospital stopping rioters attempting to assault the White House and get inside to murder President Trump and his family.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11752998/trump-secure-bunker-friday-george-floyd-protests-white-house/
All the legal nuances aside, what the DoJ and FBI are doing to those they have made the J6 defendants and sentenced is the absolute extreme opposite of the almost total pass they continue to give those involved in these earlier two Washington criminal riots.
These aren’t minor differences in interpretation and application of statute law: J6 is straight out Democrat police state fascism on public display.
Just as choosing Jack Smith of all people in America to be the Special Counsel investigating Trump is the very opposite of what a special counsel should be: straight out police state fascism.
I agree with nearly everything you wrote.
The protests of the Kavanaugh confirmation were not violations of 1512C .
Those protests were immoral and unethical, they were not illegal – though some illegality occurred and should be prosecuted.
The outfit only angered many of us in the disruption of certification…
Anyone with half a brain would understand the anger of so many people after living through the Trump years as President. His administration was subjected to spying, collusion in seditious conspiracy to unseat and/or minimize his ability to do the job he was elected to do. After witnessing everything we have been allowed to see, is there anyone that can’t see COVID was a black swan to obfuscate an election that would allow a steal through a hundred ways. The government is corrupt beyond repair, it serves the global oligarchs not American citizens. I think it’s coming soon as there is nothing anyone can do now. War will be the only avenue to reset and control our debt. Let’s pray an alternate ending to this craziness.
Brock’s admonition not to kill LEOs is problematic. It demonstrates that he was there to do more than protest or petition government.
While The DC panel is correct that 1512c is being misapplied.
Frankly the problem is worse than that.
1512c – AND other charges are unconstitutionally if that are ap-plied to non-violent political speech, assembly, protest, or petitioning government.
I personally would like whoever monitors this blog for JT to comment on the poster alleging to be a CIA employee or get a representative from the CIA to comment on these allegations. This person comments each day, almost moment to moment, baiting posters for response. So is this individual a CIA employee or impersonating a CIA employee? It should be an easy task to track this individual to their location regardless what masking tech their using.
Anonymous says:March 3, 2024 at 10:09 AM
Protection of the Government is essential, at all cost 24/7/365.
Sir may I remind you, I did not invite you, You stepped into this Honey Pot.
It is to late to get out now, you’ve been captured.
It’s been a pleasure to serve – Have a good day.
Does magnified anger cause our civil rights to be set aside?
Obviously it does.
How about Jamaal Bowman pulling a fire alarm to delay a vote???
He has immunity because he’s a member of Congress.
He could be kicked out, but that’s the extent.
This is wrong. He was investigated and a decision was made not to bring charges. There was no immunity.
@Anonymous
No, he does not have immunity. They rejected disciplining him. Sigh.
Another Anonymous emerged from hiding in the shadows to say this:
He has immunity because he’s a member of Congress.
Where’s the exception clause in that immunity that doesn’t allow Senator Bob Menendez, another Soviet Democrat, to escape the massive felony corruption charges he’s been indicted with. Jamaal Bowman his immunity – but Bob Menendez does not?
Just pointing out the obvious…
rando Internet lawyers…
I do not know if Bowman claimed immunity but in fact he can not be charged.
He can be disciplined by congress. That is it.
John Say posted:
do not know if Bowman claimed immunity but in fact he can not be charged.
Does Bowman or his lawyer know that? Sentence structure error?
https://www.cnn.com/bowman-fire-alarm-plea/index.html
What we have is a deliberate abuse of power by the government that will only end when they AND their families are rounded up and sent to a concentration camp for the rest of their lives. It sounds extreme but that’s what the future holds as the people are increasingly fed up with overpaid, useless and abusive government officials and bureaucrats.
Yuck. This rhetoric simply hardens their resolve. The people involved are largely, imo, misled and needy of their positions. They are weak and I do not think preying on or punishing the weak is a worthy goal. There needs to be a path for them to reenter society. The people in charge, otoh, are traitors.
I lived in DC for 20 years and know the swamp well, and if people think that only those in charge are at fault, they are mistaken. Government is largely composed of inept, lazy people protecting their livelihood, inline with how Franz described those surrounding Hitler. It’s that simple.
Turley said: “…there was little question of the validity of the charges against him…”
It seems as if not a day goes by without an additional piece of evidence surfacing that suggests that the January 6th misbehavior (“riot”, whatever) was precipitated by an enormous false flag operation instantiated by the FBI and Capital Police, among others. For example:
The Pipe Bombs Before Jan. 6: Capital Mystery That Doesn’t Add Up
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pipe-bombs-jan-6-capital-mystery-doesnt-add
If that is true. it would appear that virtually all of the acts for which participants were indicted were incited by deliberate entrapment by law enforcement. IANAL, but doesn’t entrapment render resulting charges moot?
Regarding Sherwin’s statement that the prosecutions were intended to produce the reaction about traveling to DC that “‘If we go there, we’re gonna get charged.’” The public has a constitutional right to peaceably protest, and to attend any open door session of Congress, including electoral vote certification. Any attempt by a government offical to curtail the exercise of those rights should be vigorous prosecuted, and the perpetrators imprisoned. Where are those prosecutions?
It seems extremely probable to me that the entire January 6th event was orchestrated by officials of the Federal government with the objective of permanently suppressing dissent to government edicts. It also seems plausible to me that this was instigated by some highly placed officials in knowing preparation for the COVID-based Fedgov power grab which was to almost immediately follow.
Has there ever been a time in history where there has been a total wholesale misapplication of three criminal statutes ( Fischer will be reversed) ?
Has there ever been misapplication of three criminal statutes to round up and imprison Americans on this scale?
Awwww Your anger over the interruption of the constitutional process. How about our anger over the interruption of the election. Oh. That’s right. All those judges and juries who heard all the evidence and then adjudicated a fair decision. I keep forgetting about all that.
In order to get to trial, the plaintiffs must show that their is evidence sufficient to make a plausible case. And every time they went to court with no evidence. When asked about it by judges, the admitted their was no evidence. Since it is impossible to have a conspiracy that big and leave no evidence, MAGAs should just admit that their claims of a stolen election are false.
Where does it say you have to have ‘evidence’ to protest? Should the protestors have filed an injunction and expected the government to turn over all its evidence, emails, phone calls, access to the NSA databases, access to all the voter rolls and videos of the mass depositing of harvested ballots, all of it in 8 weeks time?
You can hide your statism behind all the BS you like, but the statists’ time is drawing to a close…the tools it used are being used against it, now, and the public is seeing the anti-citizen/pro-state BS for what it is. If you suckle from the teat of the blob, you should quickly learn to code (something beneficial, if you’re already there)
Evidence BEFORE protest? What a great idea! There would have been no Ferguson riots, no BLM stuff, because the EVIDENCE was that Michael Brown attacked the officer – not that MB was on his knees begging “please don’t shoot!”
“In order to get to trial, the plaintiffs must show that their is evidence sufficient to make a plausible case.”
Correct – but that standard is incredibly low and was easily met – despite off point and irrelvant claims by judges in these cases.
“And every time they went to court with no evidence. ”
False there was plenty of evidence.
You are free to beleive that evidence is not compelling – arguing that it does not exist makes you stupid.
“When asked about it by judges, the admitted their was no evidence.”
False, Did not happen.
“Since it is impossible to have a conspiracy that big and leave no evidence”
Doubly false.
First – there is a “conspiracy that big” in every single election.
Every single person running for office – conspires with myriads of others to win the election.
There is never ever ever any doubt that there is a conspiracy to win the election.
It is a huge conspiracy and it is out in plain sight.
The relevant question is not whether such a conspiracy existed, but whether that conspiracy or SOME participants in it went from acting legally to acting illegally.
In every single election – some people act illegally – that is a given. There has never been an election without fraud.
As to the “scale of the conspiracy” – that is an entirely different issue.
One of the reasons that we have the election laws that the left eviscerated in 2020, is to create the requirements that YOU claim were not met in court. Mailin voting, and unattended ballot drop boxes, missing chain of custody, lack of transparency all create the opportunity for large scale fraud with very small numbers of people.
It is not possible to have elections that do not have any fraud.
it is not possible to prevent fraud – though it can be reduced.
But it is possible to increase the odds of getting caught – and that radically reduces the incentive to commit fraud.
“MAGAs should just admit that their claims of a stolen election are false.”
Not going to happen.
We already have massive and indisputed evidence the election was stolen.
The credible allegations of corruption and bribery of Joe Biden were censured.
You claim no large conspiracy existed – but there is a huge conspiracy here that is proven beyond any doubt.
The MSM, Social Media, the DNC, the Biden Campaign, NGO’s paid by the government, and government agencies themselves all sought to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story and the evidence of Corruption by Joe Biden.
There is absolutely ZERO doubt that occured. There is ZERO doubt that is unethical and immoral, and specifically in the case of NGOs and Government agencies that is unconstitutional and illegal. ergo that is election fraud, that is stealling an election.
Further, THAT is a form of evidence of Further fraud. Those who would immorally and unethically censor to win an election are far more likely to act illegally, to conspire to act illegally. And those who actually acted illegally and unconstitutionally – are presumed to be willing to perform other illegal acts.
Just to be clear – despite ruminations in some of the oppinions – there was not a single 2020 election decision made on the basis of evidence or lack of evidence.
Every single decision rested on legal doctrines constraining access to the courts.
ripeness: challenges to illegal changes in election laws were rejected by the courts as not ripe.
Plantiffs were not permitted to challenge illegal and unconstitutional changes to the operations of elections – because the elections had not occured yet. I would note that courts allowed democratic challenges that resulted in some of these illegal and unconstitutional changes., But disallowed republicans from making the same type of challenges.
Signature verification and voter ID laws were gutted by democratic lawfare – often not even getting to court – with Freindly executives agreeing to impliment the demands of democratic challenges in violation of the existing laws – without a court ever ruling that those changes were lawful. Conversely when Republicans challenges those illegal changes – they were barred by claims of ripeness.
mootness: After the election many challenges were dismissed as moot. The election was over, even if fraud could be proven there was no possible remedy. Secret Ballot constitutional amendments ion 38 states means that once a ballots is shorn from all information identifying the voter, which is a REQUIREMENT of secret ballot amendments, that is it no longer possible to separate those that are legitimate from those that are not. Courts rejected Trump claims on the grounds that even if Trump could prove that a state accepted 200,000 fraudulent ballots, once thay have been shorn of identifying information it is impossible to distingush the fraudulent ballots from the legitimate ones. Every time a judge said they would not disenfranchies a million voters because some ballots may be fraudulent – they were making note of the fact that legitimate and illigetimate ballots can not be separated.
Fraudulent ballots MUST be rejected BEFORE they are accepted. Voters without ID must be sent home. Mailin ballots that can not be verified as having been mailed or deposited by the voter – must be rejected. Afterwords it is too late.
Standing – this was one of the more insidious and the largest single means of dismissal. The courts were litterally playing games such that No one had the right to legally challenge the election.
laches – this was one of the more absurd justifications. Courts ruled that Trump could not raise claims – because it was too late and he had not raised them before. This is despite the fact that in most instances those challenges had been made before and the courts dismissed them using ripeness.
Whether you like it or not people are not stupid. They might not understand the legal issues of laches or ripeness.
But they KNOW that the courts actively blocked inquiry into the 2020 election.
And we have seen the same weaponized politicization fo the courts since in decision after decision.
Rico tried this police state fascist gloat of the day:
Awwww Your anger over the interruption of the constitutional process.
How sweet it is for Soviet Democrats that all their street thugs that earlier stormed in to interrupt the constitutional process of the Senate confirming Justice Kavanaugh to SCOTUS – while Senate was right there just a few feet away. And not a single one got the Soviet Democrat J6 Justice! In for the win!
Ditto the Soviet Democrats’ street thugs in Pantifa and Black Liars & Marxists who stormed the White House just a few months earlier. Secret Service so worried they’d lose the battle that they evacuated the president and his family to a secure nuclear bunker while over 50 Secret Service and Capitol Police suffered wounds from the fighting requiring them to be transported to hospital. All while then VP Harris crowed on public networks “they are not stopping and nor should they”.
And not a single one got the Soviet Democrat J6 Justice. Particularly from then House Speaker, Commissar Pelosi. Who rapidly unleashed her J6 Un-Select Committee within days… unlike her smiling response to hearing the party’s street thugs had succeeded in their day long insurrection forcing the evacuation of the White House.
All those judges and juries who heard all the evidence and then adjudicated a fair decision.
When convictions are being thrown out as wrongfully decided, with every day that more exculpatory evidence surfaces that was suppressed by the FBI and prosecutors prior to trial… you might confine yourself to just police state fascist Democrat Different Justice glee and slow your roll on how it was fair Democrat Equal Justice For All.
Does it ever occur to you how dumb you look with all this ‘Soviet democrat’ stuff when you’re so clearly susceptible to Russian disinformation?
If you do not wish to be labeled as soviets – do not behave like them.
It is Dumb to attack others for criticism that is apt.
What Russian disinformation ?
You mean the claims that Trump colluded with Russia ?
Or that Putin favored Trump and Sanders ?
Or that Putin favored Trump over Biden ?
Or that the Hunter Laptop was a Russian Plant ?
The consequential connections to Russia are with Democrats
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Pres. Obama.
These and other Democrats have very real links to Russia and Putin.
John Say posted:
If you do not wish to be labeled as soviets – do not behave like them… What Russian disinformation ?
John, if Soviet Democrats doesn’t fit them after what Americans have watched them do in the 16 years since Obama first stepped in the White House, why ISN’T the word “Soviet” applicable when comparing them to the Russian Soviets?
I’ve been referring to them as the Soviet Democrats starting back when Jack Smith was put out there by Obama/Biden from their DoJ during the their 2012 reelection campaign to to perform as their version of Stalin’s Lavarentiy Beria to shut down threats to their reelection campaign through lawfare. Very similar to Beria promising Stalin “Show you the man and I’ll find you his crimes – or manufacture them”.
Jack Smith advising Louis Lerner of the IRS they could target GOP get-out-the-vote-groups and shut them down for the duration of the campaign with tax investigations. Which they did. Not one single one of all the groups they took out of campaigning was found to be in non-compliance with IRS requirements. Not a single similar Democrat group was investigated.
AFTER the election the IRS and DoJ apologized, said they were wrong to do it. Didn’t change the election results, of course. Obama claimed he was shocked and didn’t notice any of that happening and nobody told him about this massive IRS tax investigation of his opponents during the election. Louis Lerner took the protection of the 5th and ran away to enjoy her pension while taxpayers – not Lerner, Smith, or Obama’s campaign – paid out tens of millions of dollars in punitive damages to those groups.
About the same time Jack Smith proceeded with his now infamous prosecution of the potential GOP candidate they feared the most Governor Bob McDonnell – and his wife who was not in any public office – for public bribery.
McDonnell was convicted by Smith on all counts. When the case got to SCOTUS, they promptly threw out the convictions, didn’t even send it back to the lower court with requirements to make revisions to instructions to the jury, etc. They did so in a unanimous decision; one in which they took the rare step of describing Obama’s prosecutor, Jack Smith, as a threat to the republic. The decision details how Jack Smith reinterpreted the statutes he charged with to be unlike any previous prosecutions, and in complete violation of the standards set out in the prosecutor’s handbook.
But that SCOTUS decision happened AFTER the election, an election Obama won against a much weaker Mitt Romney, and Bob McDonnell was left after the acquittal asking “Where do I go to get my political career and reputation back?”
Jack Smith didn’t lose his political career or reputation after what SCOTUS wrote in their decision about what he did. He wasn’t fired by Obama/Biden – he was promoted. He wasn’t even disbarred after the back to back travesties of what he did with Lerner and then did to destroy Bob McDonnell’s career and personal life.
And now Jack Smith, an evil proven police state fascist who abused his legal authorities to eliminate the threats to Obama and Biden remaining in the White House, has been brought back from public life 12 years later by Biden. This time to target Trump, the greatest threat to him remaining in the White House. Smith as a Special Counsel, supposedly unbiased, objective, with no ties to any political party or the DoJ, and with an unblemished prior record as a federal prosecutor. That’s what Merrick Garland (and Deputy AG Lisa Monaco who worked beside Smith for Obama/Biden during their administration and reelection) tells Americans a qualified Special Counsel looks like.
The Special Counsel Jack Smith with that Lavarentiy Beria tarnished prosecutorial record, congratulated in the media for his “novel” lawyering in pursuit of Trump, and whose wife is one of Michelle Obama’s besties and a heavy hitter for the DNC. The one whose machinations so far and inventive interpretation of statutes concerning Trump is a carbon copy of how he proceeded to prosecute Obama’s most dangerous reelection opponent.
That is what Soviet style police state fascism from the mould of the Soviet Democrats’ Lavarentiy Beria looks like; Jack Black, Special Counsel.
[sidebar: as long as Jonathan Turley has been watching legal affairs around Washington, with all the special counsels before Smith, I’m a bit bemused that he can take issue with smaller points that can be argued regarding free speech – but doesn’t seem to think an article concerning Jack Smith and his legitimacy as a Special Counsel is worthy of mention in the context of the first prosecution and indictment of a former American president and candidate in a presidential election]
The Soviet police state fascism really ramped up under Obama; privacy and civil rights were treated as just advisories for government. There was Obama’s CIA Director John Brennen breaking into the electronic files of American Senators’ computers to spy on them and then lying under oath that he did not. Obama’s NSA Director John Clapper – instituting mass spying on all Americans, and then lying under oath he did not. There’s no way they EVER would have told Obama what they were doing of course. Obama would have been shocked! And after being caught in perjury, both were allowed by the DoJ and FBI – headed then by Mueller – to skate without a single perjury charge. Mueller would have a different approach to lying charges after he was nominated to go hunting Trump with the Russia Dossier he was told before he began was a fraudulent campaign document Clinton, Obama, and the DNC paid for.
In the months up to the 2016 election, there was the ongoing unmasking of NSA data by Susan Rice, Biden, and other senior Obama bureaucrats. Leaking of data they were not on the need to know list for an issue that would justify unmasking. Hundreds of Americans, all of whom whose only apparent crime was being prominent American Republicans or Americans whose support might help Trump. All of that a Soviet Democrat American version of the old Soviet Communist Party of Russia. Classified information straight from Obama administration hands into the hands of the media – not secured in Mar-a-logo by armed Secret Service 24/7.
And then the Soviet Democrats’ “Russia Dossier” as campaign material intended to portray Trump as a traitor working with Putin – conceptualized by Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan, now Obama’s National Security Advisor.
Illegally hiring foreign nationals to write it – one being a Russian under investigation by the FBI for espionage on behalf of Putin. And after the FBI checked out the ‘dossier’ the Soviet Democrats got for the $10+ million they paid the foreign nationals they illegally hired to write it, they found out there was NOTHING verified in it. It could NOT pass the mandatory Woods Procedures for verification prior to being used to get counterespionage warrants. Brennan first warned Obama about it, and then Comey after that told Obama and Biden that all they and the DNC got for all the money they illegally paid those foreign agents to produce was just salacious gossip from a boozy night their Russian operative spent at the bar. The Russian they’d hired told them that’s where it came from. In normal America, it would have ended there.
After learning that, Obama and Biden told Comey to pretend it was verified; for Comey, Strzok, et al to go before FISA judges, perjure themselves that the “Russia Dossier” was all verified as per the Woods Procedures. That there was no contrary evidence to be found to bring any of it into question. And they uttered that false document to the court – repeatedly – to get those warrants. As did Obama’s last two AG’s, and of course Mueller and some of his FBI did as well.
They never find anything illegal to go after Trump with, but they charged anyone they thought they could nail with lying to the FBI charges – the same FBI that perjured themselves and uttered false documents to those FISA courts. Those associated with Trump were tried and convicted of lying on some pretty feeble circumstances in many of those prosecutions. But none of Obama’s Stasi in the FBI, his DoJ, his attorney generals, Mueller and those of his team that committed the same perjury… the people that indicted and convicted Trump minnows for lying repeatedly perjured themselves to FISA courts and not one of them was ever indicted despite their perjury right there in the face of all Americans. And later on, not a single one of them who lied to the Inspector General’s investigators about what they did in “Crossfire Hurricane” was ever indicted.
Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc… all recommended by the IG for prosecution: and they were never charged. Soviets don’t jail their Stasi.
Nancy Pelosi did her part beside Obama to nail down deserving the Soviet Democrat label after Trump’s election. It was Pelosi that set up the initial impeachment of Trump like a Soviet Commissar setting up a Soviet show trial, except in the American House, not the Kremlin in Moscow.
In secret, behind closed doors. Only Soviet Democrats of Pelosi’s choosing allowed to subpoena and question witnesses – not the Trump defense. All questions of the Soviet Democrats’ witnesses had to first be approved by Adam Schiff. The Adam Schiff that first coordinated with the “whistleblower” before a puppet for that person actually on that call came forward to pose as the whistleblower. No impeachment in American history ever looked anything like Trumps – it resembled a Soviet show trial like we used to sometimes see on our black and white TVs in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. The Soviet Democrats were excited – they celebrated that it was done that way. The media also loved it.
And here we are today. You can get elected in Soviet Democrat Amerika by making one single promise: you promise you will find a way to indict one man, former president Donald Trump. What would the chances of election be for somebody promising they would find a way to indict Obama?
And it’s gone beyond Trump and the FBI’s the raid on Mar-a-lago; a raid where the FBI showed up in full battle rattle with the media with them – as though they expected a pitched gun battle with the Secret Service securing Trump’s home to get access.
Right to life protesters get arrested in similar raids. A Hunter Biden can show up for an arranged arraignment like it’s a dental appointment – a pro-life protester who did nothing violent gets taken down in his home,in front of his children, by a dozen FBI dressed in full battle rattle. Teachers going to school board meetings because trannies in their daughters’ high schools raped their daughters are arrested and prosecuted. Biden’s FBI puts those protesting parents under surveillance as potential domestic terrorists.
January 6th is treated completely different than the mob that occupied the Senate while the Senate was in session attempting to have a confirmation vote for Kavanaugh. The January 6th defendants are treated completely the opposite of the overwhelmingly violent mob that attempted to assault the White House to get at and murder Trump and his family just a few months earlier.
Outside of the old Soviet Russia, the only similarity to all of this there has ever been in America in modern times is how justice was handed out to black Americans versus white Americans in the racist Democrat southern states in the first half of the 20th century.
The Soviet Democrats as police state fascists are permanent. They and their police state fascists have already gone well past Trump and they’ll continue what they’re doing well after Trump is gone.
They are Soviet Democrats; they do not resemble the Democratic Party that we remember of Scoop Jackson, JFK, or even Bill Clinton.
And they have shown a willingness and eagerness to use police state fascism with the power they have within the DoJ and FBI to criminalize and destroy anyone they feel a threat to their political power and/or political agendas.
Paul Cunningham tried this Soviet Democrat bit of comedy:
Does it ever occur to you how dumb you look with all this ‘Soviet democrat’ stuff when you’re so clearly susceptible to Russian disinformation?
Looks like Paul’s been studying Clinton and Obama’s favorite communist, Saul Alinsky, and his book ‘Rules For Radicals’: “Accuse those who oppose you of doing exactly what you yourself are doing”. Yep, never seen that here before. But let’s talk who the dummies are who are played because they’re susceptible to “Russian disinformation”.
The Russian disinformation lie pushed in 2020 by now Biden Secretary of State Anthony Blinken that the laptop belonging to the cashier for Biden White House Crime LLC should be ignored by voters because it didn’t actually belong to The Crackhead Kid, it was “just manufactured Russian election disinformation”? That lie certainly had rewards for Blinken!
The Russian disinformation that is the letter engineered by Obama’s former CIA chief, where 51 former intelligence agency professionals signed a letter just before the final debate, saying that laptop was was “just Russian election disinformation”
The Russian disinformation that is the Soviet Democrats’ “Trump Russia Dossier”. Paid for by Clinton, Obama, and the DNC. Pushed by now Biden National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan back in the 2016 election that was supposedly verified intelligence agency product proving candidate Trump was a Russian stooge, conspiring with Putin to steal the election? Paid off for Jake Sullivan!
Used to only see that in the old Soviet Russia – now you see it in the Soviet Democrats’ Amerika during elections. And the FBI used to weaponize and spread it.
So Paul, is that you displaying why the term “Useful Idiot” from the Soviet Union is still around today, alive and well in America being applied to susceptible Soviet Democrat Useful Idiots? Where gullible fools have been sucking up Soviet Democrat lies they have verified evidence Trump is a Russian stooge for over seven years now?
Paul… susceptible to ‘Russian disinformation’! Let’s see. I’m susceptible to the “Russia Dossier” that your Soviet Democrat police state fascists told you Useful Idiots was verified American intelligence product! The “dossier” that Clinton, Obama, and the DNC illegally hired and paid a Russian operative to write with another illegally hired and paid former MI6 agent. And then the FBI used it! (Their Putin operative, Igor Danchenko, was under investigation by the FBI for espionage while Obama and the FBI were using him for their “dossier” – how cool is that!)
Definition: Russian disinformation – a Soviet Democrat president and presidential candidate illegally hire and pay a Putin operative to write a campaign document claiming Trump was engaged in espionage; conspiring with Russia to steal the election. Russian disinformation… manufactured right here in America by Soviet Democrats and their Russian operatives.
Oh Paul, the Soviet Russia angle gets better! Obama, after the FBI told him all he, Clinton and the DNC got for the millions of dollars they paid that Russian was BullSchiff… Obama went all in Soviet. Obama tells the FBI that despite his “Russia Dossier” being nothing but lies, present it to FISA judges and perjure yourselves to FISA judges that it is factual.
Perjure yourselves to get illegal spy warrants based on the lie the “Russia Dossier” before the FISA courts was verified evidence Trump was working with Putin. And then like Lavarentiy Beria “Show me the man and I’ll find you his crimes.” try to find a Trump crime or dirty up his campaign enough that Clinton could win.
And they did. So did the FBI Directors. So did Obama’s last two Attorney Generals. So did Mueller. All committed perjury to state the Soviet Democrats “Russia Dossier” disinformation stating Trump was Russia’s stooge was factual. A nations leaders and the top of the state police lying to judges to get convictions – now there’s a whiff of the ol’ Russian Soviets for you!
[sidebar: we used to call the Soviet Democrats’ disinformation Trump was a Russian stooge ‘lies’. I prefer the word lie when it’s deliberate and calculated as all this BullSchiff was and is]
The Soviet Democrats knew their Useful Idiots would suck those lies about Trump and Russia up. They knew they were susceptible to lies about Trump – and lies that Clinton and Biden never did anything wrong. You weren’t one of the ones clearly susceptible to Soviet Democrat lies about Russia, were you Paul? You were one of the smart ones that quickly realized you were being BullSchiffed by Soviet Democrats?
How many YEARS did Adam Schiff push that Soviet Democrat lie that there was verified evidence Trump was conspiring with Russia to you, Paul? A recent poll found that just over 80% of registered Democrats still believe that Clinton/Obama BullSchiff that they illegally hired a Russian operative to write. It’s been eight years Paul… and 80% of the Soviet Democrats’ retard voters still believe that lie!
And I’m thinking you’re one of the Useful Idiots that believed it was all true from the first day they pushed it out to media to the present day. Probably still do. Tell everybody how dumb you have to be in order to be one of the Soviet Democrat retards still believing and/or pushing those “Russia Dossier” lies today. Some of them still post that here in Turley’s blog regularly. Generally, they prefer the username “Anonymous”… but then there’s Sammy and Gigi: proud of their susceptibility to Soviet Democrat lies i.e. ‘disinformation’.
And Paul… remember before the 2020 election, when the Soviet Democrats’ presidential candidate, Joe Biden, was saying the laptop belonging to The Bagman Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid was false: just “Russian election disinformation”? You must.
You remember how The Big Guy’s current Secretary of State got 51 former intelligence agency officials to sign a document saying it was “Russian election disinformation”. Which we now know was an old fashioned Soviet lie While the FBI in good ol’ Soviet fashion was ensuring that social media shut down news media attempts to publish the information in that laptop about Biden White House Crime, LLC at least until the election was over.
Another guess: Paul, you sucked down that “it’s only Russian disinformation” lie just as eagerly as you sucked down the “Russia Dossier” lie. I know you did – just like every other Soviet Democrat Useful Idiot susceptible to those Soviet style lies.
But you Soviet Democrats who believed that BullSchiff about Putin conspiring with Trump, Putin rigging a laptop to look like the Crackhead Kid owned it aren’t clearly susceptible to disinformation.
You’re taking the time to post that it’snot you, I’m the one susceptible to lies, for pointing out what the Soviet Democrats did was straight out of how the Soviet government worked.
Paul… genius that you are, tell us for old time sake just one more time, how Biden’s laptop is truly just Russian disinformation. And news media had to be censored from publishing news about it because unlike you, we would have been susceptible to that disinformation.
Or would you prefer to tell us how Commissar Pelosi’s initial impeachment of Trump wasn’t straight out of Soviet Show Trial 101? Held behind closed doors. No news media allowed. Only the Soviets allowed to call witnesses. Only questions approved by Commissar Pelosi allowed to be asked of their witnesses at that SchiffShow.
Tell us that’s exactly how every House impeachment has been handled before Trump Paul. The House proceeded exactly the same way with Clinton and Nixon – and everybody who saw it being more like a Soviet show trial is clearly susceptible to Russian disinformation.
The Soviet Democrats Useful Idiots: sucking down their politicians accusations about Trump and Russia and every excuse that laptop is as Russian as Trump.
And then the gullible Useful Idiots say that others are the ones susceptible to disinformation.
Back on the Bribery Biden short bus for you Paul, Soviet Democrat Useful Idiot.
Rico – Certification was delayed only about 3 hours. Hardly a hanging offense.
Correct. It would’ve been handled by firing squad back in the day.
False, There were multiple actual rebellions after the revoltuionary war.
Some resulted in violence and injury.
They all involved ARMED “insurrectionists” – The Govenrment, including George Washington Personally – the only instance in US history where the Commander in Cheif of the US Military – aka president, actually lead troops in battle.
A few of the leaders were tossed in jail, the “insurrectionists” were told to go home. And the leaders were all pardoned in short order.
No we did NOT use firing squads “back in the day”, not for protestors, not for insurrectionists.
The left is oblivious to the FACT that this nation was born in an insurrection.
Our founders were never going to say anything so stupid as that insurrection is always wrong – they were insurrectionists to a man themselves.
The Declaration of independence lays out the requirements for “inssurection”.
Those were not met on J6, 2021 – but the ONLY missing element was that the declaration does not justify insurrection as a last resort to a legitimate greivance – but as a last resort to a long series of legitimate greviances over time.
The declaration of independence requires not merely that govenrment is lawless, and that efforts to return to the rule of law are thwarted – but that lawlessness and the failure of non-violent efforts to restore the rule of law must be long suffering before insurrection is justified.
At the same time as actually evidenced by REAL insurrection early in our history- our founders did not consider “insurrection” serious – not even clearly illegitimate insurrection.
Thy did NOT respond with firing squads.
Our founders were imperfect – but they were far from the looney totalitarians of the left today.
I do not care if it was delayed months.
On Jan 20, 2021 at 12 Trump ceases to be president. If no one is confirmed before that the speaker of the house becomes president until a president is confirmed.
Lets presume the capitol was opened – as it has been for all the rest of US history.
Lets presume the protestors came in took over and staged a sit in – as democrats did in Wisconsin.
SO WHAT ? That is perfectly legal.
It is 10000 times more legal that occupy wall street or occupying a police station or occupying center city seattle.
If they are so including – congress can hold session elsewhere.