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Federal Judge Hits CDC Over Withholding Data on Adverse Vaccine Reports

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to resist disclosing information on claimed side effects and problems with its COVID-19 vaccines, including from healthcare workers. Due to a January order by U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk in a Freedom of Information Act case, the CDC is being forced to turn over hundreds of thousands of “free text” entries from V-safe. The court has scolded the CDC for its continuing efforts to withhold information on these complaints.

As the CDC and the Biden White House gear up for another possible pandemic, the case reminds us that we still need to address the conduct of the government — and the reporting of the media — from the last pandemic. Once agency officials were told that they could censor those with opposing views, a culture of speech controls took hold at the CDC and the government narrative was then amplified by the media.

To question such mandates was declared a public health threat. The head of the World Health Organization even supported censorship to combat what he called an “infodemic.”

A lawsuit was filed by Missouri and Louisiana and joined by leading experts, including Drs. Jayanta Bhattacharya (Stanford University) and Martin Kulldorff (Harvard University). Bhattacharya previously objected to the suspension of Dr. Clare Craig after she raised concerns about Pfizer trial documents. Those doctors were the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated for a more focused Covid response that targeted the most vulnerable population rather than widespread lockdowns and mandates. Many are now questioning the efficacy and cost of the massive lockdown as well as the real value of masks or the rejection of natural immunities as an alternative to vaccination.  Yet, these experts and others were attacked for such views just a year ago. Some found themselves censored on social media for challenging claims of Dr. Fauci and others.

The media has quietly acknowledged the science questioning mask efficacy and school closures without addressing its own role in attacking those who raised these objections. Even raising the lab theory on the origin of Covid 19 (a theory now treated as plausible) was denounced as a conspiracy theory. The science and health reporter for the New York Times, Apoorva Mandavilli,  even denounced the theory as “racist.” In the meantime, California moved to potentially strip doctors of their licenses for spreading dissenting views on Covid.

It is clear that much still has to be done to create a culture of transparency at the CDC. Judge Kacsmaryk has slammed the agency for withholding the data on the health complaints on spurious grounds. There still appears a culture at CDC in withholding data that could be used to question its decisions or conclusions.

For a year, the CDC has been fighting these efforts. The lawsuit by the Informed Consent Action Network, revealed “nearly 8% of V-safe users said they required medical care, another 12% couldn’t perform normal daily activities and yet another 13% said they missed work or school.” With limited “boxes” supplied by the CDC, people had to write in their complications. The CDC then failed to disclose those reports.

The free-text entries reportedly support one of the most controversial moves by the CDC to downplay heart complications. Litigants say that the new disclosures show a frequency of symptoms associated with myocarditis – inflammation of the the heart muscle myocardium. 

Experts raising these concerns were labeled “anti-vaxxers” and conspiracists.

As I have previously testified in Congress, the surest way to combat this culture of censorship is to pass legislation barring a single dime of taxpayer funds from being used to fund censorship efforts, including third-party groups on removing “misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation.”

The government can always speak in its own voice, but we should get the government out of the business of controlling the speech of citizens and groups. It can rebut critics on its ample platforms without using third parties to silence them as surrogates.

Additionally, Congress should demand answers on the failure of the CDC to discuss opposing views and to withhold countervailing data during the last pandemic. The loss of public confidence in both the CDC and the media could prove disastrous if we face another pandemic. The years of barring and throttling opposing views (including many later vindicated by the science) has left many Americans deeply distrustful of both the government and the media. That is a real potential health danger. If we want to prepare for the next pandemic, we need to repair that trust.

203 thoughts on “Federal Judge Hits CDC Over Withholding Data on Adverse Vaccine Reports”

  1. If you want answers on CDC misconduct, vote Republican.

    Note how California sought to strip doctors of their licenses for questioning Covid talking points and treatment protocols. It’s what the Left does. Censors, punishes “wrong” speech, passes hate speech laws where a FB post in Scotland that offends a privileged class can land you in prison for 7 years.

    The Left shouts down invited speakers, and threatens attendees, while also arresting people for quietly praying outside abortion centers.

    Does anyone seriously believe the same people who censored accurate news stories on the Covid lab leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and the Hunter Biden laptop story, will actually hold the CDC accountable for withholding vital information on Covid vaccine adverse events?

    I, myself, suffered tachycardia for days after the second shot. It was like a xenomorph was trying to leap out of my chest, but the other side effect was extreme lethargy so I couldn’t rouse myself enough to care. Or go to a hospital. California has courted making this shot mandatory for school, despite the high risk of cardiac damage in the cohort at the lowest risk for Covid complications,

  2. The loss of public confidence in both the CDC and the media could prove disastrous, if we face another pandemic.

  4. “. . . peddling the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid . . .”

    Here’s a sure bet:

    When the Left alleges a “conspiracy theory,” you know there’s something there.

    That smear started with Hillary (“vast right-wing conspiracy”), and has been a decades-long, Leftist mantra.

    1. Sam: Isn’t is sad that media and politicians have now divided all of us into “right-wing” and “left-wing” factions, rather than simply differing opinions and debate involving “reasonable minds?” This constant labeling is getting really old, really fast.

  6. Jonathan: It’s hard to believe you are still peddling the conspiracy theories surrounding Covid–a pandemic that took the lives of over a million Americans. I have some anecdotal experience with the virus. At the onset of Covid I took the advice of my doctor and the CDC–got vaccinated with two follow up boosters. After the first booster I tested positive at home. After a week of flu like symptoms and recovered. On a follow up visit with my doctor he told me the vaccines probably saved me from hospitalization or worse.

    In contrast I had a neighbor–a big supporter of Trump who followed his advice–tried some quack remedies but refused to get vaccinated–even refused to wear a face mask. At the end of 2020 he tested positive and died a few weeks later on a ventilator in a local hospital.

    But you continue to support the pseudo-science–particularly the quackery of the Great Barrington Declaration about “herd immunity” and your false claim Bhattacharya and Kuldorff are “experts”. As one “Anonymous”, a doctor, pointed out on this blog neither are medical doctors or medical science experts (4/5/24@11:36pm). And you keep pushing the debunked “lab theory” about the origin of Covid.

    When it comes to medical advice I will take it every day from the real experts–my doctor and the CDC–not the debunked theories from a law professor!

    1. Just curious Dennis….you say you believe the lab theory is debunked. What do you think is the origin of the covid pandemic?

    2. Dennis McIntyre to Professor Turley: “the quackery of the Great Barrington Declaration…and your false claim Bhattacharya and Kuldorff are ‘experts’. As one ‘Anonymous’, a doctor, pointed out on this blog neither are medical doctors or medical science experts (4/5/24@11:36pm).”

      lin to Dennis:
      (1) Bhattacharya, MD and PhD, is professor of medicine and economics at Stanford University.
      (2) Kulldorff, an epidemiologist, is professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, who developed epidemiological and statistical models to detect infectious disease outbreaks.
      (3) More than 10,000 medical and academic scientists- and another 27,800 medical practitioners-were signatories to the Barrington Declaration. https://www.newsweek.com › more-10000-scientists-sign-barrington-declaration-petition-saying-current-covid-lockdowns-are-15399
      (4) Their focus was on confining/protecting at-risk, rather than general, populations through lock-downs.
      (5) Do you know if your neighbor had pre-morbid associative risk factors, or was he a young stud like you?

      Neither you nor I have dogs in this debate, -and we best leave it to more educated, experienced, and knowledgeable souls. I consider myself not smart or educated enough to dispositively dismiss or confirm.

      But I greatly resent the misrepresentation and lies about those involved.
      Thanks anyway.

      1. Lin, Dennis is an anecjoke. You are correct.

        Who is better than an epidemiologist to discuss the spread and control of disease? Dennis doesn’t know what an epidemiologist is. He also disapproves of Bhattacharya. Maybe Dennis is a racist since Bhattacharya was born in India. Bhattacharya has tremendous insight as an economist and one who wrote a book on healthcare policy. He is also an MD, so the basics we discuss on the blog are in his knowledge base. Bhattacharya knows that we handled things associated with Covid differently than was taught in medical schools. That is why our actions were different when faced with serious viruses in the past. Swine flu, which most of us remember, as mentioned by Young, was treated with an emergency vaccine that was discontinued for side effects. At that time, we didn’t censor people who discussed such side effects, and we were better off.

        Imagine, esteemed academics like Bhattacharya and Kulldorff are not allowed to speak, but big-mouth Dennis does despite his demonstrated lack of knowledge on all subjects combined with his stubborn stupidity.

        1. S. Meyer,
          Well said.
          It is these self-proclaimed intellectuals, who’s actions did far more damage than COVID, through their stupidity, that are the greatest threat to society.

      2. Lin,
        As always, an epic take down of Dennis with things like facts and figures.
        Dennis always tries to make himself into some kind of great intellect, and yet easily gets torn down by you and others.
        Thank you!

    3. ps….Just asking what you think the ‘origin’ of covid was….bc there are batches of FOIA’d emails from USG dating back to march 2018 where Peter Daszak (EcoHealth Alliance) says Ralph Baric is working on nanoparticles, and Baric is asked about sars glycoproteins he’s making for a DARPA grant and they’re trying to get them into bats.
      Just saying….there’s evidence tracing this covid ‘plandemic’ back to CIA/DARPA. And showing that Fauci has been lying to the public, and Congress, from the get go.

    4. Dennis, on the one hand, you bash pseudo science, while on the other, holding up an anecdote to dispute vaccine concerns. You didn’t even bother to give any medical history of your neighbor. Refusing to wear a face mask made no difference, as studies have totally debunked their use. Why would virtually all medical workers have gotten Covid multiple times if masks prevented it? Worse, bacteria and viruses stick to the outside of the masks, to be breathed in by the wearer over time.

      Here’s an anecdote for you. One of my relatives is a nurse. Her employer required her to get all available Covid vaccines and boosters, as soon as they are available. In spite of being vaccinated and boosted, she’s gotten Covid over and over again, seriously getting ill. I don’t think there’s a variant of Covid she’s missed catching, and normally mild variants have made her seriously ill, including a bout of sepsis.

      You are also fabricating the claim that the lab leak theory was debunked, unless you mean by Fauci, whose internal emails showed he was advised the lab leak amid gain of function research was the most plausible theory. The US government has acknowledged the lab leak as the most likely source.

  7. As with Trump, the economy, the border, Biden’s ethnic roots — the Left just makes stuff up:

    “Professor Turley neglects to mention Jayanta Bhattacharya & Martin Kulldorff’s Great Barrington Declaration predicted herd immunity could be achieved within 3 months [of the Declaration’s publication] without the reliance of COVID vaccines.”

    There is no such prediction in that Declaration. Further, the Declaration pointedly *includes* vaccines as a means of achieving herd immunity.

    Buyer, and voter, beware.

  8. “Judge Kacsmaryk has slammed the [CDC] for withholding the data on the health complaints . . .” (JT)

    Imagine if a business did that.

    It published 70 positive reviews. And suppressed 30 negative ones.

    Would you trust that business?

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  10. Jonathon, you refer to the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration as “doctors”, as if they, like me, are practitioners of the noble profession of medicine. Let me clarify this for you.

    Bhattacharya did indeed graduate from Stanford Medical School in 1997. He is entitled to put M.D. after his name, but he has never practiced medicine. He went straight from medical school to do a PhD in economics, awarded in 2000. He never did an internship or residency and therefore has never held a license to practice medicine. He is an academic economist. His medical knowledge is that of a 4th year medical student from 1997. Things have changed in the intervening 27 years. Medicine is a calling that you PRACTICE. He is in no sense a medical practitioner, any more than Jim Jordan is an attorney. Jordan has a law degree but never passed the bar. Would you take legal advice from him? I think not. Likewise I would not give the time of day to any medical advice from Bhattacharya.

    Kuldorff is a “doctor” in the sense that he has a PhD. However that PhD is in mathematics. He is a statistician. Would you take medical advice from a mathematician?

    The third author of the Barrington Declaration, whom you do not mention, is Sunetra Gupta. She also has a PhD………in Zoology. She holds herself out as a “theoretical epidemiologist”, whatever that may be, specializing in infectious diseases.

    Before I went to medical school I did a PhD in Microbiology and Immunology. My research centered on the immune responses to respiratory viral diseases, and improving methods of vaccination. Do you think that may have any relevance to COVID? Do you think I may be qualified to comment in these matters?

    I can assure you, beyond any shadow of doubt, that the incoherent ramblings of these three charlatans in their so-called “Declaration” are utter hogwash. If we had allowed them to implement their asinine proposals many more millions of Americans would have died. The idea that herd immunity can be effective holds only in the circumstances that the virus does not mutate and a primary infection confers lasting immunity. This is true for such diseases as measles, mumps, chicken pox and rubella and other viral infections. With these disease it is possible that when a high level of immunity is achieved in the population, either by primary infection or vaccination, then the likelihood of transmission to vulnerable individuals is reduced. It is of absolutely no relevance to respiratory viruses, which almost universally have high rates of mutation. This is why we get coughs and colds and flu every year. This is why patients had repeat infections of COVID as new strains emerged. If these 3 “experts” had any real medical knowledge at all they would realize the absurdity of their position.

    The fact that you offer credence to the ramblings of these idiots as evidence of misguided advice from the nation’s leading health experts is almost beyond belief. You imply that there are two sides to the COVID story. I agree, there are two sides. On the one side, we have real experts. On the other, we hopelessly ignorant “experts” and the gullible people like you who listen to them.

    Stick to law and stop opining about matters of which you know less than nothing!!!!!

    1. This comment is a good reminder of why doctors should be consulted for their opinions but decisions at a societal level should be left to others with better incentives and a better understanding of the big picture.

      Do you let the marketing department outrank the CEO on making final decisions? You probably would not be surprised to find out the marketing department thinks all other facets of the organization should be subordinated to the marketing budget.

      This commentor appears to have not learned the fundamental lesson of the COVID fiasco, which is that allowing all other concerns to be swamped by hysteria over The Next Big Thing is a recipe for disaster.

      This comment is also further evidence for why free speech is so important. When differing opinions are permitted to be aired, commentors like this are forced to explain why they should be given power, and that allows everyone else to evaluate their worthiness of that power they seek.

      Part of the silver lining of COVID is that the mask has fallen and many people will never again be persuaded by the false claim that doctors and scientists are non-political experts who simply provide the best information available.

      1. I am endlessly fascinated by this belief that doctors and scientists represent a vast political cabal intent on nothing but subjugating the masses to their insidious control. That is except for MY doctor. I trust MY doctor implicitly. MY doctor is wonderful. I always take his or her advice. I always take the medicine he or she prescribes. It is all those OTHER doctors that are the problem.

    2. “I would not give the time of day to any medical advice from Bhattacharya.”

      Which is a good thing — since the Great Barrington Declaration did not focus on medical advice. It focused on government’s health care *policies* (the politics and economics) — the insane “lockdowns,” et al. And *that* is Bhattacharya’s area of expertise.

      “[Herd immunity] is of absolutely no relevance to respiratory viruses, which almost universally have high rates of mutation.”

      Hogwash. Influenza is such a virus. And herd immunity has long been recognized as critical to combatting its spread.

      Why is it you ignored the plethora of inconsistent, patently false claims made by your government “experts,” e.g., Fauci, the CDC? Here’s just one: The Covid vaccine will protect you from contracting the virus. And will prevent you from spreading it to others.

    3. Anonymous at 11:36: –Just to remind you that there were more than 10,000 medical and academic scientists- and another 27,800 medical practitioners- who were signatories to the Barrington Declaration, making them all “idiots” in your learned mind, and all of their message “hogwash.”
      We are so honored by your opinion.
      https://www.newsweek.com › more-10000-scientists-sign-barrington-declaration-petition-saying-current-covid-lockdowns-are-15399

    4. Anonymous: Good explanation of the so-called “experts” behind the “Great Barrington Declaration”. But I don’t think Prof. Turley is as “gullible” as you think. He is paid to keep up all the hysteria and misinformation re Covid!

    5. I’m glad we get to have second opinions from quacks and arrogant sold out “docs”. How many people do you think read that whole screed? Doc🤑

    6. “Kuldorff [sic] is a “doctor” in the sense that he has a PhD.”

      Kulldorff is an epidemiologist. So your argument amounts to: An epidemiologist is not qualified to comment on epidemiology.

  12. Professor Turley neglects to mention Jayanta Bhattacharya & Martin Kulldorff’s Great Barrington Declaration predicted herd immunity could be achieved within 3 months without the reliance of COVID vaccines. The Great Barrington Declaration was published on October 4, 2020, three months before COVID vaccines became readily available. One million Americans died from COVID after Bhattacharya & Kulldorff predicted herd immunity could be achieved within 3 months.

    Two months after The Great Barrington Declaration was published, Trump held a White House summit to proclaim “We’re here to discuss a monumental national achievement.” Trump celebrated Operation Warp Speed creating COVID vaccines in record time which “will save millions and millions of lives, both in our country and all over the world.”

    Turley might well agree with Bhattacharya & Kulldorff that Trump’s claim about Operation Warp Speed saving millions & millions of lives is not based on scientific fact. Turley also apparently believes Bhattacharya & Kulldorff shouldn’t be criticized for their prediction that herd immunity from COVID could be achieved within 3 months from the date The Great Barrington Declaration was published, October 4, 2020. Hey, no sense making a big issue out of a million Americans dying from COVID after the doctors made their dissenting views known, right, JT?

    1. 1. ” One million Americans died from COVID after Bhattacharya & Kulldorff predicted herd immunity could be achieved within 3 months ” yes because of lock downs herd was not achieved , and they sent infected people to nursing homes to kill the most vulnerable to covid.

      1. They also made people wait until they were blue before medically kidnapping them and killing them with the Fauci protocol.

    2. JT’s point is that these doctors raised valid concerns which were dismissed without basis, and ultimately those concerns materialized. That these doctors were wrong about other things does not refute JT’s point. You took a long time and a lot of words to say nothing. Do you work for the CDC?

    3. “Great Barrington Declaration predicted herd immunity could be achieved within 3 months [from its publication] without the reliance of COVID vaccines.”

      That Declaration makes no such prediction. And it explicitly *includes* vaccines as a component of achieving herd immunity.

      Yet again: The Left loves to just make stuff up.

  13. Professor Turley Writes:

    “Due to a January order by U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk..

    ***

    Wait, ‘Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk’..??

    If that name sounds familiar it should. Just Monday, Professor Turley wrote about the abortion pill case before the Supreme Court.

    Turley worries that anti-abortion forces might bring back the Comstock Act to prevent mifepristone from being mailed to red states with abortion bans. Not that Turley is that concerned about abortion rights. He just fears that Comstock was so broadly worded that it could threaten free speech.

    Well that abortion pill case originated at the federal courthouse in Amarillo Texas. There it was first heard by Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk. Though Turley makes no mention of that today. In fact, Turley never mentioned Kacsmaryk on Monday. How odd!

    In that abortion pill case, the plaintiffs are a small group of anti-abortion doctors who argued that ‘theoretically’ they might be called upon to treat a woman injured by mifepristone. Though most observers questioned if said doctors had any real standing since their case was only theoretical. Yet Judge Kacsmaryk wasn’t bothered by that void.

    But on Monday, the Supreme Court was indeed bothered by the plaintiffs’ lack of standing. Even Trump appointees Gorsuch and Barrett openly questioned the obvious lack of standing. Theoretically, Judge Kacsmaryk should have never heard the case.

    Judge Kacsmaryk is a Trump appointee himself whose previous job was at First Liberty, a Texas law firm that specializes in religious freedom cases. Every far-right group in the country with a pro-religeous agenda knows that Kacsmaryk is the go-to Judge for religious agenda cases.

    So many far-right groups have gone to Kacsmaryk, that the term ‘Judge Shopping’ has come into vogue. Just Google ‘Judge Shopping’ and watch Matthew Kacsmaryk come up in the sample paragraphs of numerous search results. But again, Turley mentions none of this in today’s column.

    The issue of Judge Shopping has, in fact, triggered a minor crisis in the Federal courts. Efforts to rein in this practice were welcomed at first, but now conservatives are pushing back. It seems the far-right ‘wants’ friendly judges who aren’t that concerned with the standing of plaintiffs.

    This brings us back to Turley’s column today. Here the plaintiffs are a group known as ‘Freedom Coalition Of Doctors For Choice’. Curiously, Turley refers to them only as ‘the litigants’. What’s more, Google and Bing searches turn up precious little on this group. They are mentioned only as ‘the litigants’ in this CDC case. How mysterious!

    Below is a link to a recent AP story regarding Judge Shopping. And ‘yes’, Judge Kacsmaryk is notably featured in the article.

    https://apnews.com/article/judge-shopping-abortion-pill-97188c88505ccda8b81f2997020b4112

    1. Sad that this judge didn’t get to hear the 2 Trump impeachments or the Russia Hoax. Could have turned out differently.

    2. This could have been a good essay but for two things. The strange obsession on what Professor T should or should not have focused on in his writeup, and the telling use of “far right” in place of “conservative.” The latter, which is now common in the MSM, is a giveaway that the writer is “far left.”

    3. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the perpetrator is charged with two homicides having killed two homo sapiens sapiens human beings.

      After 24 hours of fertilization, a homo sapiens sapiens human being exists; he will persist for an average 76 years if the woman, who is charged with his care and protection, doesn’t commit murder by abortion.

      The abortion pill is a murder weapon.

  14. There still appears a culture at CDC in withholding data that could be used to question its decisions or conclusions. — JT

    There still appears a culture in the USG withholding data that could be used to question its decisions or conclusions. (FIFY)

    …the surest way to combat this culture of censorship is to pass legislation barring a single dime of taxpayer funds from being used to fund censorship efforts, including third-party groups on removing “misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation.” — JT

    While true, and necessary, it misses another (critical) point… What about trans Indonesian sex workers suffering from climate change? (Reuters — h/t Floyd)

    The government can always speak in its own voice… — JT

    Remember Operation Mockingbird… (not to mention funding universities and NGOs to implement DEI policies and “research” Climate Change™).

    This is a whole of government operation, with deep roots.

  15. “claimed side effects” do not prove causation. Just because somebody claims they had some sort of symptoms after receiving a vaccine (or eating shrimp, or using perfume) does not prove there is a connection. There’s a danger with putting out “adverse events’ information that haven’t been tested or subjected to scientific methodology to determine whether there could be any cause-and effect, and that danger is exemplified by the comments right here on this blog. Looke at all of the Trumpster geniuses who just “know” that the vaccines are bad and are killing more people than COVID itself. These are the same people who faithfully watch Fox and other pro-Trump media and who believe the lies they pump out. These are the same people who believe that Trump really “won” in 2020, that there’s a “Biden Crime Family”, that drag queens are pedophiles, and all of the other nonsense that they don’t have the analytical skills to dismiss as BS. The CDC relies on science, and anyone can “report” an “adverse event” with the CDC. That does not prove cause and effect, but it scares people away. Worst of all, it causes people to distrust scientists. Look at the children getting measles now and spreading it to other children because their parents believe these lies. It’s truly sad that Turley tries to pump up the vaccine fear and distrust of science by sellng his credentials.

    1. Written like a good little regime propagandist, and just in the nick of time to (attempt to) disrupt the online conversation by injecting doubt.

      Your slip is showing…

    2. Gigi: is TDS contagious?
      Just curious…haven’t seen any commercials warning of symptoms…so, –faithful to your suggestion, we can dismiss all those who have blamed your comments on TDS, because there is no cause and effect.
      Understood, thanks for that information.

    3. Gee ,Gigi We sure are glad you straightened us out. As we were starting to believe all the “sudden deaths” from all the millions of people had something with the jab and cover up. And we were starting to believe that all the corrupt Biden millions and open borders were real. Thank you sooo much for letting us know that measles and all the disease coming across the southern border were from vax fear rather than being flooded with people from third world countries that don’t even have vaccines.

    4. GIGO

      You know what does prove things? Data. You know what the con artists you pretend to advocate for in your daily ‘defense of the indefensible’ screeds are withholding? Data. If they had data to suggest that there was no correlation, you think they’d be withholding it or discussing it on The View? They’d have St Fauci back on the cover of essense or voque or whatever other BS they rolled him out on before, to show everyone just how wrong the naysayers are. But they don’t, so we are left the wonder why.

      Just kidding, we know why.

      1. gigi really does seem to be applying for a job in the baltimore/chicago/philly/memphis public defenders office with every post. Maybe she can work for hunter or brennan then rise to FISA court. The future is bright for old gigi as long as we have mail-in ballots.

    5. NUTCHACHACHA, you seem such a capable practitioner of communist brainwashing, propaganda, and indoctrination. 

      May we rid ourselves of utterly unconstitutional financial assistance welfare, affirmative action, grade inflation, affirmative action admissions, quotas, forced busing, food stamps, wage controls, rent controls, unfair “Fair Housing” laws, discriminatory “Non-Discrimination” laws, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam, or do you still need them all? 

      Whatever would you have been, whatever will you be without them?

      1. George. Good god man. If we got rid of all those things we’d have no need for 3/4 of our government. Oh, wait…let’s do it!

        1. 3/4 of your government is antithetical, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional.

          No, 95%.

    7. So the Russian collusion conspiracy wasn’t forced on the public by the media and the Democratic party that paid for the information from the Clinton Foundation that didn’t happen is that it somehow for 3 years that lie was forced it on the public and now there’s never been an apology that media

    8. Gigi – while you are correct – in the most abstract way that we do not presume correlation for a few claims – this case is about access to the raw data that IS what gets analyzed to determine both efficacy and safety.

      This case is about providing the medical community – rather than merely CDC and FDA with access tot he data THEY need to determine if the assessments of government experts hold up.

      I would further note this is the same raw data that we use to make the same decisions about other drugs and vaccines.

      Worse still we all already know that CDC/FDA are hiding the ball – there are far more VAR’s reports on the C!( vaccine propotionately than other vaccines and medicines.

      There is ZERO reason to beleve that irrelevant reports are more common with the C19 vaccine – that with any other medicine or treatment.

      Whether you like it or not – sorting out meaningless reports is something ACTUAL experts – you know the people who GOT most everything about Covid correct – rather than the CDC do all the time.

    9. GiGi – outside of the VAERS data – there are lots of studies on the C19 vaccine.;

      You rant about Trumpsters – yet this vaccine was one of Trump’s signature accomplishments – one YOU sought to deny him.
      At the same time FORCING ti on people is one of Biden’s signature accompllishments – one that YOU should be fully willing to see honestly and accurately assessed.

      We are still early in extremely high quality analysis of the vaccine – but it increasingly looks like the DATA Do NOT support EVER giving these vaccines to anyone under 50 who did not have comorbidities.

      Further it is near certain that we will be able to establish large groups of people for whom the vaccine IS significantly more dangerous than Covid.

      I do nto think that will prove to be EVERYONE.
      But pretty much ALL drugs have some groups of people they are dangerous to give to.

      We learn what conditions recomend against specific treatment by studying the data that CDC is hiding.

    10. “Worst of all, it causes people to distrust scientists.”

      I think you’re confusing reporting information with suppressing information.

    11. “There’s a danger with putting out “adverse events’ information that haven’t been tested or subjected to scientific methodology . . .”

      V-safe is a government-run operation for the public to report personal experiences with vaccines.

      If your point is so critical, why didn’t the CDC suppress the reporting of positive events?

      That was a rhetorical question, because the answer is obvious:

      The CDC *censored* dissent.

  16. The People’s Republic of China is liable and responsible for the willful and deliberate, or unintentional and casual, release of “China Flu, 2020.”

    The People’s Republic of China is liable and responsible for recompense and damages in the amount of $100 trillion (may be increased) proportionally to each and every affected country in the world.

    1. Dont forget to mention Fraudci funded it …literally cash to the Wuhan center. Those at the top all knew what happened. They are all criminally negligent.

      1. Obviously, Fauci must be Drawn and Quartered to set the jurisprudential example.

  17. “Federal Judge Hits CDC Over Withholding Data on Adverse Vaccine Reports”

    – Professor Turley
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    Wow!  The CDC withheld data.  Who’d a thunk it? 

    The true data withheld from the once-free actual American people is the fact that the CDC is invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and woefully unconstitutional.  

    The true data withheld from the actual once-free American people is that free people obtain their free-market healthcare from free doctors in the free markets of the free private sector. 

    The American thesis is Freedom and Self-Reliance, not the “dictatorship of the proletariat.” 

    The American people are provided the freedom to “pursue happiness,” or endeavor, in any trade, discipline, enterprise, or industry they choose.  

    Americans enjoy enumerated rights, freedoms, and “others retained by the people,” per the 9th Amendment, which certainly include the freedom to research, produce and market healthcare and the freedom to consume healthcare in the free markets of the private sector.

    Nowhere is the power to deny constitutional rights and freedoms, or dictatorship and dominion over free enterprise or free markets, provided to any branch of government. 
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    9th Amendment 

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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    One of you brrrrrrilliant lawyers, please cite the Constitution for any genuine, not implied or inferred, power or legal basis to impose the “dictatorship of the CDC” on free actual Americans.  

    Congress has the power to tax for ONLY debt, defense, and general Welfare.

    Congress has the power to regulate ONLY money, commerce, and land and naval Forces.  

    Congress has the power to legislate ONLY that which does not deny constitutional rights and freedoms to free Americans. 

    Anything else is an arbitrary, tyrannical, illicit, and unconstitutional modification and amendment of the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America.  

    Congress enjoys no “emergency powers,” or emergency dictatorship, other than the suspension of habeas corpus “in cases of rebellion or invasion.”

    1. Trust, utterly and fully, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Naturalization Acts of the American Founders and Framers, and nothing else.

      “Thou Shalt Have No Other Fundamental Laws Before Them”

  19. OMG! On top of all the other troubles in the world, now we have:

    Bizarre Reuters Article Warns Climate Change Is Hurting “Indonesian Trans Sex Workers”

    Reuters has published perhaps the most bizarre article ever, warning that climate change is having a detrimental impact on the income of Indonesian transgender sex workers.

    Yes, really.

    The entire thing reads like an April fool’s joke, but it isn’t.

    The author, Leo Galuh, complains that “Nearly 93% of respondents saw decreased income during the rainy season,” explaining “Trans women…are among the most affected by extreme weather linked to climate change, as well as suffering disproportionately when disasters strike.”

    Oh no, won’t someone think of the poor Indonesian trans sex workers?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bizarre-reuters-article-warns-climate-change-hurting-indonesian-trans-sex-workers

    1. Floyd……are you sure it’s not a “Babylon Bee” headline?! LOL…..Unbelievable!

    4. Floyd said: “Bizarre Reuters Article Warns Climate Change Is Hurting “Indonesian Trans Sex Workers”’

      Egad. I saw that headline on ZH this morning and assumed that it *must* be sarcasm. The article gets even better:
      “LGBTQ+ individuals are sometimes blamed for problems related to climate change, according to Arif Budi Darmawan, a researcher at the Bandung-based Resilience Development Initiative.”
      Those outside the binary category are often labelled with the category ‘deviant’, (and) associated with the causes of environmental problems and disasters,” said Darmawan, who has researched how climate change affects trans Indonesians.””Bizarre Reuters Article Warns Climate Change Is Hurting “Indonesian Trans Sex Workers”

      How in Hell do idiots like this Darnawan manage to get anyone to pay them a salary to write this kind of utter drivel? In a rational world, with that intelligence and skill set, he (or she or it) would face a daunting challenge trying to deduce the logistics of sitting at an intersection, proferring a tin cup for handouts.

    5. The key here is the name: Resilience Development Initiative. I can imagine what a funnel for Soros’ dollars that sham must be. Likely Bill Gates, too. Zuckerberg, you’d better catch up.

  20. Unfortunately, District Judge Kacsmaryk’s order comes too late. Fauci’s boys locked this down early and were successful in punishing ANYONE who dared to question their explanations. And the meteoric rise of their “misinformation” campaign took off…..

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