Many of us have expressed alarm at the politicization of the criminal justice system in New York by figures such as Attorney General Letitia James and Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. It now appears that New Jersey Attorney General Matthew Platkin is angling to get into the lawfare frenzy.
The conviction of Trump on 34 felonies has either thrilled or repelled citizens. For many of us, it is a sign of the degradation of our legal system. Even the chief CNN legal analyst has acknowledged that Bragg contorted the law to bring the recent case against former President Donald Trump in an unprecedented prosecution.
Yet, the use of the legal system for political purposes is clearly popular in New York where people were literally dancing in the street outside of the courthouse after the recent verdict against Trump. Now Platkin’s office has announced that it is “reviewing” whether to pull the liquor licenses for Trump golf clubs since he is now convicted of felonies in New York. It appears that lawfare is nothing if not intoxicating for Democratic politicians.
According to an article in the Hill, the New Jersey Attorney General’s Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control is “reviewing the impact of President Trump’s conviction” on his liquor licenses for the Trump National Golf Club in Colts Neck, Lamington Farm Club, and Trump National Golf Club Philadelphia in Pine Hill.
The latest effort is based on a vague standard governing crimes of “moral turpitude” under New Jersey law:
No license of any class shall be issued to any person under the age of 18 years or to any person who has been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude. A beneficiary of a trust who is not otherwise disqualified to hold an interest in a license may qualify regardless of age so long as the trustee of the trust qualifies and the trustee shall hold the beneficiary’s interest in trust until the beneficiary is at least the age of majority.
A “crime of moral turpitude” is a familiar, though dated, standard in American law. I teach the standard in torts as one of the traditional “per se” categories for slander under the common law. It was generally used to denote conduct of immorality or serious offenses to norms of society. New Jersey defines it as including “any offense that carries the possibility of one year in jail and involves acts of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general.
Even the New Jersey Alcoholic Beverage Control handbook notes that in “some instances, it may be unclear whether a conviction involves an element of moral turpitude.” Yet, Trump has a way to bringing clarity for his critics whenever they must chose between politics and principle.
For most of us, it is hard to see how falsifying business records would constitute “acts of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general.” However, for Democrats, it seems that any act by Trump is by definition base, vile, and depraved.
The piling on of investigations and charges by Democratic officials has reinforced Trump’s long narrative of a weaponization of the legal system against him and his supporters. Polling shows that most citizens view some of these cases as political prosecutions and that they are having diminishing impact on voter preferences. Yet, they remain thrilling for Democratic voters who lionize prosecutors who come up with novel or unprecedented avenues to hammer Trump or hit his businesses. It does not seem to matter that removing the liquor licenses of these clubs can endanger thousands of jobs of citizens or chill other businesses in considering investments in New York or New Jersey.
In the end, the effort is hardly surprising. Lawfare is like binge drinking: the excess is the very measure of its success.
Please indulge me one off topic comment.
The “journalist” and his family holding hostages in Gaza had the female hostage working as a servant in the home, they are not innocents as the left has been trying to sell.
The media is trying to act as if the gazan “civilians” holding hostages are the same as people that harbored Anne Frank from the nazis. The difference is that the gazans ARE the nazis.
As a New Jersey property owner, and holder of a New Jersey carry permit, I can state from first-hand knowledge that Matthew Platkin is nothing but a thoroughly opportunistic and totally unprincipled political hack, who currently spends most of his time allowing Governor Phil “The Beaver” Murphy to utilize Platkin’s tongue as a toilet paper substitute, because that is the activity that best serves Platkin’s political ambitions at this moment. Murphy himself likely has (completely unrealistic) aspirations to the Demoncrap Presidential nomination, should Biden die or be (undeniably) incapactitated before the election. Platkin may fantasize that, should Murphy gain that office, he would become U. S. Attorney General.
….should Biden die or be (undeniably) incapactitated (sic) before the election…
This is a sign of desperation. The left took a huge hit in Europe during the recent elections, leaving many in power stunned. The rank and file citizens are less than pleased with the flood of illegal migration, crime, shoplifting, homelessness and skyrocketing grocery prices, etc.
When those in power have no ideas, no solutions, they turn to lawfare, censorship and copious amounts of gaslighting.
E.M.
Well said.
Heard a news clip of one of the politician who lost said he could not understand what happened.
He clearly is out of touch with his voters.
The real problem is how the leftists are reacting, e.g. Macron dissolving parliament and calling for snap elections in desperation to keep power.
Upstate,
It is certainly a wake up call! A close acquaintance of mine in France and his friends are in shock. Kind of like the night when Trump won. I was in the hotel bar in San Francisco with some colleagues (most liberal) and to watch their faces in stunned disbelief was priceless. It was fun to watch the news people, for once, speechless.
E.M.
What I was surprised was the German left leaning politician who recently changed his position to deporting immigrants for violent crime. Guess watching a crazed Muslim immigrant attack another politician and stab and kill a police officer must of been a wake up call.
I guess we should not be surprised. It all started before the 2016 election and has been going on ever since. Is there any wonder people and businesses continue to flee the states liked New Jersey, New York, California, Illinois.
I know why these states wish to do this to Trump. 34 counts of fraud for paying off an extortionist. It’s a warning that if you are outside the political elite, you risk your life and livelihood if you threaten their power in any way.
I mean it is absolutely fantastic for many of us in the southeast, midwest and mountain states. An example is that Microsoft just announced a $1 billion dollar cloud computing center in Indiana (you know fields of grain and corn) and pointedly not in Illinois where things like this would normally go in years gone past. Florida and Texas have become economic powerhouses, and there are rising economies in even states like Alabama, Mississippi (well not that much) and Arkansas. South Carolina and North Carolina are quite robust as are many of the mountain states. The film industry has discovered and flourished in the Atlanta area (but mainly outside Fulton county). And more of the music industry than just country is settling in Tennessee and Nashville.
Democratic policies have led to this.
I thought the business of government was to provide for the common defense, render justice and protect the lawful . Instead you persecute the moneymakers and those that produce wealth, go after people who defend themselves, let the illegals drain your coffers which were there for destitute citizens, and let the criminals out after just checking in to visit the courthouse. And New York wonders now why hundreds of millions of dollars are being lost to cheaters on their subway system.
It has been proven that when you prosecute minor crimes, total crime falls. It also has been proven that when you don’t prosecute criminals they become even more brazen. How many times do we have to go through these cycles just to prove it all again. When the government abuses its power or fails to deliver on it’s responsibilities, terrible things happen. Thats why there is the 2nd amendment. They should pay heed to that.
Maybe you should all pay attention to what just happened in Europe with their European Union Parliamentary elections as well as local and national parliamentary elections. A huge rightward shift with Macron suspending the present government and calling snap elections, and the leftist Belgium premier quitting. Shocks all through the system. Much of it against the unhindered illegal migration. Sound familiar.
GEB said: “An example is that Microsoft just announced a $1 billion dollar cloud computing center in Indiana (you know fields of grain and corn) and pointedly not in Illinois where things like this would normally go in years gone past.”
In the case of Microsoft, at least, I regard that as blatant hypocrisy. When it comes to fincancially benefitting from central government usurpation of states’ rights and individual liberties, MS has positioned itself very close to the front of the queue. Google may be worse in that respect, but not by very damned much.
N.J and others like N.J. should look back 6 years at the NYT headline. That was a warning of a minor earthquake. These states are looking toward a major one.
“One Top Taxpayer Moved, and New Jersey Shuddered”
S. Meyer said: “N.J and others like N.J. should look back 6 years at the NYT headline. That was a warning of a minor earthquake. These states are looking toward a major one.
“One Top Taxpayer Moved, and New Jersey Shuddered””
I’m not a “top taxpayer” but I am prepared to bolt NJ, if and when I can no longer deny the necessity. My problem with doing so is my roots. Both sides of my family have resided in NJ since the early 18th century or before, and I’ll be damned if I’m inclined to just give up and completely turn it over the these st’unts, including a Ma$$h013 carpetbagger like Murphy…
OT; it seems justice Alito got caught saying things he shouldn’t. The scandal that is growing under Turely’s nose is becoming a problem. Will the professor address it?
Alito is no longer seen as impartial. Thomas is seen as on the take. The appearance of impropriety is so stark it cannot be seen as mere coincidence. They are giving us a good reason to add more justices to the court. At least professor Turley agrees with the idea of increasing the size of the Supreme Court. Will he be calling for adding more justices or suggest impeachment of Alito or Thomas?
George a graduate of democrat clown world college
What was RBG’s job prior to being on the Court? What did Sotomayor do with her book sales?
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Justice Alito as we mourn the demise of the last shred of his credibility
That leaked audiotape of Samuel Alito made him so upset he drove home with his jacket inside out.
He even flipped his American flag underwear inside out to show how distressed he is.
His wife had no choice but to flip 6 American flags upside down.
How big is alito’s dick and how long did it take you to get him off?
You would know
You should stay out of Alitos pants.
Did you lick the skid mark while you were in there?
Did you salute the flag while you were eating the peanuts out of alito’s shit?
Who else’s underwear have you been in? Thomas? Trump?
This spastic idiot anon is having a yard sale. Boy’s underwear half off.
Yes once trumpmis in and we have the senate, we should add more justices. 35 of them. Every one on the fed socs list. After all, elections have consequences.
Good idea, george.
More ignorance and arrogance from a know-nothing.
We need to jail every democrat criminal by the 1000’s
“. . . a crime involving moral turpitude.”
Well, Russia collusion didn’t work. Nor did two phony impeachments. 14A was a bust. Threat to democracy hasn’t budged the polls.
Let’s try “moral turpitude.”
When your premise is the ends (“get Trump”) justifies the means — there is no end to the means.
I think trump was correct. If he pulled out a gun on 5th avenue and shot a person, he could get away with it. And JT would be first in line to argue why it was perfectly acceptable to break the law.
JT, you have lost it.
Says the booger eating spastic idiot-non-savant, posting under various names and entertaining himself with his own steaming turds.
Hey look, Mr. Anonymous is still on the planet Bizarro where everything is opposite. Trump doesn’t shoot anyone on 5th Avenue and yet gets charged with it anyway is the reality.
I my edition of “Black’s Law Dictionary” under the entry for “Moral Turpitude” there is a picture of Trump.
Heater the child molester with another spastic post.
Good one lawn boi
Hester, keep wearing the scarlet letter of stupidity and hate, it suits you well.
Thank you, Professor Turley, but your words are meaningless. They have no power, thus they have no effect. While noble and good and true, they do nothing to stop the destruction of the Law and the Justice it represents. But, take heart! Things will be made right. The People, pushed and pushed and insulted and abused, are now approaching rage. That rage is about to boil over. When it does it will burn those who worked so hard to kindle the fire. I welcome the day. I now know long for it.
Today’s FREE PRESS had this piece: A DOCTOR TOLD THE TRUTH. THEN THE FEDS SHOWED UP AT HIS DOOR by Emily Yoffe. Trump said during his trial that if they do this to me they can do it to you. The doctor in this case is a next “YOU.” The charge has been dug up to meet a political agenda. Pretty scary.
Look at the facts of the case – the affair with the porn star and the other woman while his wife was pregnant – covering it up through hush money payments; an arrangement with a media publication to “catch and kill” negative stories about him while making up negative stories about his political opponents.
I see a lot of moral turpitude there even if Turley who claims to teach this stuff does not.
Can you please point out to me the convictable legal offense in anything you listed?
trump was convicted of falisifying business records. It seems you don’t see the problem with this. So be it. But law exists, a jury of 12 convicted him of it. The trump Company has been convicted of fraud. Facts matter.
Yawn
Reread what Bubba said. Any mention of that in his post??
Bubba is lawn boi the booger eater. His neat post is green anon. He forgot he was posing as bubba
Bubba (moron), what CRIME of moral turpitude was Trump convicted of in the sham trial? Man, some people are just too stupid to own a computer.
Acts like this will win the Left no new votes that they don’t already have, yet may serve to drive some away, so they serve no one but Platkin himself. If it ruins investors and drives people into unemployment, what of it? It may assist Platkin’s re-election, so it is worth the disruption of lives and property to him. When is the Left anything but improvident? They never consider the use that might be made of such precedents in the future, by the other side.
cionnath said: “… It may assist Platkin’s re-election, so it is worth the disruption of lives and property to him.”
Slight correction: the AG of NJ is appointed by the Governor, not directly elected. Both positions are term limited to two, but while Murphy is nearing the end of his second, Platkin is only halfway through his first, having been appointed in 2022. However, your point remains valid, as everything Platkin does is designed to enhance his power and political future, no matter what damage is done to anyone else.
I appreciate the correction.
Moral Turpitude; a quality of dishonesty or other immorality that is determined by a court to be present in the commission of a criminal offense.
Blacks Law definition; term that is applied to an offense or a crime that is illegal but also shows a person’s baseness and depravity.
Trump is a fine example of what moral turpitude is. Ironically, moral turpitude is also used in immigration law as a valid reason to deport. Trump’s crimes and behavior which has been on display for quite some time can be defined as moral turpitude. As a felon and as a candidate for president a lot of attention and scrutiny will always be present. Legally in some countries like Canada convicted felons are not allowed in. Legally if Trump wanted to he could not enter Canada or some countries in Europe. But if he gets elected, that is going to be a problem. I’m sure some countries will waive the restriction for obvious reasons.
Steaming turd^^^^^
But yet George supports China Joe Biden, Ukrainian kick back Joe Biden, swimming nude before female secret service agents Joe Biden, showering with his daughter Joe Biden, giving his brother millions Joe Biden, open border Joe Biden, inflation Joe Biden, Green New Steal Joe Biden.
Seems to me that Moral Turpitude is a tightrope balanced with a very large pole held on by the walker’s biases. Everyone who agrees says Yes, great show”, while the others agree this is just an idiot’s act, that someday with cause his demise.
Moral Turpitude is a good way to describe you.
I recommend that you try oral turpentine. It might have some beneficial effect on TDS, and there is a zero possibility that it could lower your IQ…
Today’s FREE PRESS: A Doctor Told the Truth. The Feds Showed Up at His Door.
A young surgeon revealed how his hospital was secretly transitioning gender-distressed children. He is now facing federal charges.
By Emily Yoffe
June 10, 2024
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The way to end this is for every Republican district attorney, state’s attorney, attorney general, or any other legal officer in every town, city, county, or state, to immediately begin prosecuting every Democrat elected official, or former elected official, within their jurisdiction, for every imaginable crime. It doesn’t matter if they can get a conviction, although in many jurisdictions convictions will be easy. What matters is to paralyze and bankrupt the Democrat machine.
They think lawfare only cuts one way. Let’s show them how wrong they are.
This post is the very definition of an idiot.
Idiot^^^^^
“This post is the very definition of an idiot.”
LMAO
Thanks for admitting it.
Could Moral turpitude crimes involve abusing the legal sysrem to gain power? There needs to be an accounting.
Most of the other charges just provide for more jobs in Trump’s orbit—lawyers and investigators. This charge would certainly serve to lose jobs in NJ—servers, bartenders, and all employees of the clubs. Way to show hate! But, another way to encourage donations to Trump.
Oh, let’s not forget, Hunter Biden is also being subjected to the lawfare treatment. The constant investigations and back and forth of pressing charges and getting plea deals and back again. I didn’t see the professor complaining about it. Trump is largely to blame for all this. His actions and attitude towards the law and well known scofflawing, if that is even a word, brings a lot of attention.
Hey look, it’s Bizarro George again doing the opposite of what logic and common sense dictate. Hunter got all the benefits of his dad’s DOJ from letting SOLs lapse, to sweetheart deals, to an egregious attempt at an immunity plea etc etc etc.
Well….if the law is still on the books…it can be prosecuted. Didn’t Republicans in Arizona use a law from the 1800’s to ban abortions or contraception drugs?
Getting a felony conviction brings a host of other problems. Your rights are limited, your freedom to travel is restricted. Some liberties are limited or taken away.
Lawfare is just how the justice system works to hold others accountable and yes, it is sometimes abused. Republicans have been doing it for decades. Anyone remember the constant investigations and legal accusations on the Clintons? Whitewater?
This isn’t new. This has always been a part of politics. Trump has been subject to the same treatment the Clintons have. How did Turley miss that?
Oh, the Clinton’s were indicted and tried in a court of law? I must have missed that.
Yes they were, but they were constantly investigated and accused of crimes until they found one and because republicans were always looking for something to hang around their necks when they ran for office. You know… that lawfare thing Turley is talking about.
“Yes they were, but they were constantly”
Really, what were they indicted for???
Once again, spastic George shows his ignorance on a topic by claiming the Clintons were indicted.
My apologies, this was decades ago. They were not indicted, but 15 people associated with whitewater were. Whoever the point is they were still investigated and accused of crimes constantly. Which is still lawfare.
So 15 people indicted but no wrongdoing.
Spastic george now demonstrates his cognitive dissonance.
Oh well, its been a long time
Accused by whom??
Constantly investigated by whom??
I accuse you of being the village idiot.
Republicans, Kenneth Starr.
Bizarro George doing the opposite of what is logical, saying the opposite of what is right and being the opposite of a decent person.
Lol thats your definition of constantly investigated???
Try to make the answer align with the question.
And how is being accused by “Republicans” lawfare, idiot george?
It is not lawfare to investigate crimes
It is lawfare to investigate people in search of a crime
Clinton chose to lie under oath about his conduct either an intern
Hillary chose to recklessly handle classified docs with absolutely no authority to do so
And then hide that and destroy evidence
Hillary’s classified docs problem arose from a congressional investigation of Benghazi
Oversight of the executive is congresses actual job
Investigating crimes is DOJs
Not investigating people
Of course this all started with a Hoax
As the FBI new that was a hoax from the start
The entirety of crossfire hurricane and its progeny where unconstitutional law fare
Did I miss something?
Did the bush doj prosecute bill Clinton for 2 counts of obstruction of justice and two counts of perjury?
Did the trump doj prosecute Hillary for violating the espionage act of obstruction of justice or perjury?
Increasingly we learn of crimes of Obama
Yet no prosecutions
Whether you like it or not numerous past presidents have committed actual serious crimes before during and after their presidency
Yet the first time there is a prosecution
We get 91 indictments for nothing
For non crimes or free speech or attempting within the constitution to fix a fraudulent election
We have seen many prosecutions of lower officers always by their own DOJ while in office
I can not recall ever before the in power party criminally prosecuting their predecessors
How many women credibly accused Bill Clinton of rape or sexual misconduct?
And how many times was he indicted???
18 and zero
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/
“No no no, none of those should have been investigated”
——svelaz George the spastic simpleton
“That was lawfare”
———svelaz george the village idiot
George, it depends on what the meaning of the word is is.
Beware, most of the people who read and enjoy JT’s blog have working memories.
That was not about the whitewater scandal. Monica Lewinsky was a different matter.
At least you admit whitewater was a scandal
How many investigations and who conducted them, svelaz?
How many times mist you be called out for spouting nonsense??
You don’t remember? Filegate, Travelgate, the Vince Foster suicide, the Clinton foundation, Benghazi, Monica Lewinski, and a few others.
Some by Darrel Issa, Sessions, the FBI, congressional committees, I’m sure there are others if you do your own research.
Investigations by journalists and politicians is not lawfare, spastic, George. All that leaves is legitimate investigations by the FBI. That’s not law fair either
You’re an idiot, so you thought I asked that question because I didn’t know what you were talking about. Quite the opposite. I wanted you to say it and show yourself for the spastic idiot that you are.
Since you insist on acting like a third grader, I will give you a clue as to when it is lawfare. When you have to lawyer up and appear in court.
Lawfare is the abuse of the law to silence or punish political opposition or views
As opposed to investigating actual crimes following the law and blind to who you are prosecuting
As a clue if the prosecutor is using a novel legal theory or engaged in some rarely prosecuted crime or prosecuting anything where the prosecution itself unconstitutionally restricts free speech
That’s lawfare
Notice that each of those are investigations of actual criminal acts reported in the press
Before the IC perused them
Also note the ic had to get approval from a 3 judge dc pannel just to investigate
Two of the judges were democrats
Monica Lewinsky was not a matter
Lying under oath and obstruction of justice
Was a big deal
And bush ii left it alone after 2000
Because the Clinton’s are actual criminals
New Jersey has a democratic governor who hides behind the scenes but is very entrenched with the far left. Most New Jersey people cannot stand him and are just waiting for the time to go in another Direction. He follows suit with the other Democratic governors but is not so out in the open about it. Unfortunately we are totally Democratic controlled right now but I think that’s going to change
Yup. And Professor Turley should have his bar membership revoked because he writes things that support insurrection and he is aiding and abetting a criminal act, which is whatever Trump is doing at the moment.
Nothing wise in wiseoldlawyer’s post.
Spastic idiot^^^^
Spastic idiot
That steaming pile is not even worthy of a response.
“Lawfare is just how the justice system works “
Your own words convict you of Moral Turpitude.
All of which are reasons that you should not use the law as a political weapon
And why you should expect it to be used against you when you do
Turn about is fair play
Regardless
I hope NJ stupidly moves forward with this
Isn’t there a NJ senate seat up in this election?
Didn’t menedez come within a razor edge of defeat last time ?