The United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit has handed down a major ruling in Worth v. Jacobson in favor of the Second Amendment. The opinion by Judge Duane Benton upholds a lower court in striking down a Minnesota law limiting gun permits for persons 21 years old. It is a question that could find its way to the Supreme Court once splits among the circuits develop.
As noted by scholars such as Stephen Halbrook, it is also the first appellate court to rely on the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Rahimi, which gun rights advocates argued might be a break in the dam of Second Amendment protections. That dubious claim is even less compelling after reading this opinion.
Minnesota has joined states like New York and Illinois in advancing weak arguments to the benefit of gun rights advocates. It argued that, since the Founding, states have restricted guns in the hands of “irresponsible or dangerous groups, such as 18 to 20-year-olds.” That proposition was left virtually unsupported as was the suggestion that 18 to 20-year-olds are a public danger.
Moreover, the court ruled that it would not matter:
“Minnesota states that from the founding, states have had the power to regulate guns in the hands of irresponsible or dangerous groups, such as 18 to 20year-olds. At the step one ‘plain text’ analysis, a claim that a group is ‘irresponsible’ or ‘dangerous’ does not remove them from the definition of the people.”
Minnesota also argued that the plaintiffs were required to shoulder their burden in showing that they are covered by the Second Amendment. It noted that they “did not submit expert reports or facts about the Second Amendment’s text.”
That argument is meritless. They are clearly “people” under the Constitution. The court held:
“Ordinary, law-abiding, adult citizens that are 18 to 20-year-olds are members of the people because: (1) they are members of the political community under Heller’s “political community” definition; (2) the people has a fixed definition, though not fixed contents; (3) they are adults; and (4) the Second Amendment does not have a freestanding, extratextual dangerousness catchall.”
The Worth decision by Judge Benton is a tour de force on the Second Amendment. It is well-reasoned and, in my view, right on the law.
Here is the opinion: Worth v. Jacobson
Earth to all the moron gun control nuts here:
The shooter in PA didnt have a gun permit.
“The shooter in PA didnt have a gun permit.”
Carrying a rifle in Pennsylvania does not require a permit. There are some restrictions on the purchase and use of firearms by those under 21, but that is not what you seemed to claim. Pennsylvania *is* far friendlier to 2A rights than most of the states that surround it.
I didnt claim anything. I merely stated a fact. That even had he lived in MN, he would not have needed a “permit” to have a rifle.
So idiots who want to imply that he is an example of why a 20 year old should be excluded from having a permit, are full of shit.
To everyone else who got that, I apologize for having to slow it down for the short bus rider.
By long standing tradition, a boy became a man and responsible for his own actions at age 14. The Jewish practice, a Bar Mitzvah and his father’s exclaims “Thank God I’m not responsible for his actions!” (Hope I have that correctly.) In long standing European tradition at 14 the young man was apprenticed to a master in some craft or trade for 7 years; doesn’t apply to farmers however. Very, very few continued schooling. So at 21 the apprentice “became his own man”, a journeyman at his craft or trade. So that was the age of majority with rights to marry and to vote.
Uniformly adopted by the states of the new United States of America, 21 was the age of voting and much else until the modern cry of “old enough to fight, old enough to vote”.
However, medical science has now determined that neurophysiologically humans do not reach full development until 24–25. (And its slowly downhill thereafter…)
Now in the state of Washington it is legal to ‘possess’ a gun for hunting purposes when in possession of a valid hunting license at age 14. I knew of youths who would go out chukar hunting with their mother while carrying a rifle.
You have a wonderful knack for saying absolutely nothing.
Congrats. No exception here.
But at least you didnt address it to Turley. Good boy.
Without the stupid and hysterical, the dems would never win an election.
What di those 14-year-old kill with their chukar rifles?
As much as I hate to say it, it would little avail us to try to keep guns out of the hands of 18-year-olds. Because the “gun violence” is pretty much all coming from black youth, and they do not care one whit for what the law is. They are mostly raised in a violent setting, and they have to be violent to survive. Here is an interesting tweet I just saw, and look at the near-automatic head stomping:
https://x.com/i/status/1815431210593656919
Jonathan: We should not be surprised you would applaud the Eight Circuit holding in Worth v Jacobson–striking down Minnesota’s limit on gun permits for those under 21 years of age. You call Judge Benton’s decision a “tour de force on the Second Amendment”. You have never supported any restrictions on Second Amendment rights.
According to Benton 18-20 yr olds are not “irresponsible or dangerous groups”. And his decision comes just after a “irresponsible and dangerous” 20 yr old tried to kill DJT! I suppose the reasoning is that if an 18 year old can vote he should be entitled to possess an AR-15 style weapon and try to assassinate a presidential candidate. Makes perfect sense!
So every time a conservative judge strikes down some sensible gun regulation you celebrate. Why is that? The answer is not too complicated. DJT has said he won’t accept the results of the 2024 election if he losses. Speaker and speaker at his rallies say that if DJT loses again their will be a “civil war”. They are openly telling the “Bikers for Trump”, the Proud Boys and other right-wing paramilitary groups to once again “stand back but stand by”.
Guns in the hands of 18-20 year olds is an absolute necessity if you want to conduct a violent “civil war”. Just look at the average age of the Confederate army. It was 18-29, with the median age of 18. They were the gullible ones–immature enough to believe they were fighting to protect White “womanhood” and slavery from Northern “aggression”.
So a wannabe dictator like DJT needs lots of 18-20 year olds with guns to carry out his second attempt to regain power if he loses the 2024 election. And Judge Benton has now made that possible. Bizarrely you support that!
We can trust 18YOs to vote but other constitutional rights can be restricted due to their age?
How about reverting back to 21 as voting age (unless in military service)
Wait. That’s precisely what the American Founders coherently and logically did in their severely restricted-vote republic.
Vote qualifications in 1789 were male, European, 21, 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.
What’s the point of allowing immature and inexperienced children vote?
What’s the point of a woman canceling the vote of her husband when she should be busy making legions of Americans, numbers sufficient to grow and defend the nation, the reality of which being that Americans are vanishing and the American fertility rate is in a “death spiral” causing the slow death of America?
Beautiful, ladies.
“You have never supported any restrictions on Second Amendment rights.”
Dennis demonstrates that he does not understand what “shall not be infringed” means.
Dennis McIntyre showed up for work today to hijack Professor Turley’s blog, cosplaying as his dear friend: Jonathan: We should not be surprised you would applaud the Eight Circuit holding in Worth v Jacobson–striking down Minnesota’s limit on gun permits for those under 21 years of age.
Who’s this “we” you’re referring to Dennis? Your pockets are full of Soviet Democrat mice? Or VP Harris election headquarters? (how’s that party coup looking this morning?)
Dennis – tell your laughing audience how your radical activist Soviet Democrat prosecutors and politicians refusing to prosecute violent young black felons has nothing to do with Obama’s headquarters in Chicago being a paragon for “reasonable and sensible gun regulations”? And at the same time, what should be a national outrage of blood soaked Soviet Democrat streets where young black Soviet Democrats slaughter other young black Soviet Democrats by the hundreds each year?
Dennis, we see the effectiveness of the unconstitutional infringements on the Second Amendment that you pimp for at work in Chicago. 54 mass shootings and over 300 murders so far this year, despite all the “reasonable and sensible gun regulations” that you and the Soviet Democrats you pimp for supposedly the answer.
Dennis, we watched the Soviet Democrats deliver on their promise to take it to the streets during the 2020 election campaign: The Mostly Peaceful Rioting, Looting, Burning, Pillaging And Murder Insurrection that was organized and carried out across America.
Dennis, we saw your fellow Soviet Democrat street thugs in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists occupying blocks of cities like Portland by force of arms. Their arms of choice were The Evil Baby Killer AR-15s That Will Totally Destroy A Deer, No Lie. Dennis, you never said a WORD about “assault weapons” when they were in the hands of your fellow Soviet Democrat thugs occupying areas of Soviet Democrat cities.
Guns in the hands of 18-20 year olds is an absolute necessity if you want to conduct a violent “civil war”
The civil war that would result from emboldened Soviet Democrats going full commie would DEFINITELY endanger a Soviet Democrat politburo running America if guns were still in the hands of the same kind of 18-20 year olds that signed up risk their life fighting in Afghanistan after 9/11. In fact, that’s the PRIMARY reason the country ratified the 2nd Amendment.
And that terrifies totalitarian, police state fascist Soviet Democrats like you, Dennis.
And let’s help remind you of what the wannabe future Soviet Democrat police state fascist president, Harris, said to your fellow violent Soviet Democtat lawless thugs when it looked like Trump was going to win reelection in the 2020 election, as she bailed out Soviet Democrat street thugs arrested during their failed assault on the White House failed 1 June 2020:
They’re not gonna stop before election day in November, and they’re not gonna stop after election day … They’re not gonna let up, and they should not.
– Kamala Harris
Dennis, when you report back to Soviet Democrat headquarters, ask Kamala Harris to campaign on a vow to put an end to the 2nd Amendment.
Dennis’s rant will likely be the dumbest thing any of us will read this weak.
Dear Mr. Turley, I have to agree with GEB. We need to talk about what happened with President Biden. One wonders why on earth we haven’t seen him. Who is running the country? It was horrible what the leaders of the Democratic Party pulled on this man. I have not heard one policy position form the Democrats. The one and only thing I have heard is “Beat Trump”.
Every day they wake up, its Jan 6th. They get in their electric car and drive to the abortion clinic.
The end
Obama has been running the country since 2016, the outset of the Obama Coup D’etat in America setting the entire corrupt Deep Deep State government against Real President Donald J. Trump.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/secret-service-director-kimberly-cheatle-resigns
The 8th Circuit’s Worth v. Jacobson decision is but a speed bump for the anti-gun movement. They will keep coming back and are consistent if nothing else. Thank you, Jonathan, for an excellent article.
The Republican who shot Trump recently was 20 years old.
He also made a donation to a left wing group. I sense he is a little mixed up.
And the libtard you speak of got his gun from daddy, Lawn Boi.
And even in minnesota, he could legally possess that gun.
Thanks for showing you are too ignorant to know what a gun permit is.
If 18-20 year olds are so irresponsible and dangerous, what will liberals try to take away next? Their drivers license? Their right to vote? Their enlistment into the military? Their right to marry? Their right to buy a home? The shallowness and banality of liberal politics is only superseded by its blatant authoritarianism.
It seems whenever you have something that gives you pleasure, the left wing liberals want to take it away.
Meanwhile, over in the hood, young scholars are rejoicing over this decision! Now, they, too, can possess a gat, to help with obtaining life’s necessities, like transportation, and money to buy school clothing!
Typical left wing nonsense. The British have gone down this “things” cause violence not people rathole and now the city of London is trying to bar people from possessing butter knives in public.
Those who are prepared to use violence to obtain the “necessities” of life already demonstrate that they do not care about laws.
Why would “your young scholar in the hood” care about whether a “gat” is legal, when his intention is to violently take from you what is yours without any regard for the law ?
Do you think that Muggers think – I am going to threaten to kill you if you do not give me your money – but I am not going to do so with a gun – because that is illegal ?
“the city of London is trying to bar people from possessing butter knives in public. ”
Well, the socialists in Britain have taxed and inflated away their people’s ability to buy butter, so what need have they for butter knives ;>?
It was mostly 18 – 20 year olds who were charging out of the landing boats into the teeth of machine-gun fire at Normandy beach on D-Day. I guess you could characterize them as dangerous on that Nazis. To call them irresponsible, or to contend that they are not a part of the community protected by the Constitution is despicable, particularly because even illegal aliens have been found to be protected.
The 8th Circuit made the right call. In Bruen Justice Thomas advanced the principle that the Second Amendment shall be a first class right the same as the First Amendment right next door. We’ll see anti gun control whack a mole for some time yet. Today was who can have a gun. When Justice Scalia penned Heller, he gave treatment to the first clause of the Second Amendment: “ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,” The Militia Clause. Heller tells us that the individual right to arms is not dependant on the clause. What intrigues this writer is how the Militia Clause might inform the question what guns can the individual have? If a militia were needed for an external or internal threat, do you want citizen soldiers carrying AR 15 type rifles or flintlock muskets?
“The 8th Circuit made the right call”
Yes, Circuit Judge Duane Benton did his job. His emphasis on possession and use of firearms as a natural right that supersedes the 2nd A., while hardly original with him, was particularly gratifying:
“[I]t has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the
First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right,” “the natural right” to
“resistance,” “self-preservation and defence,” not merely a common law right. Id.
at 593-94, quoting 1 William Blackstone, Commentaries On The Laws Of
England 139-40 (1765)
Anonymous, l think we are on the same page. It’s not an accident that the 2d Amendment natural human right is parked right next to the First Amendment, the Indispensable Right. As so put there, the Framers made the covenant of the Constitution say to We the People “We mean it, dammit”.
Funny that there are age restrictions on being able to rent a car or hotel room and the right don’t care about those, but they insist on making it as easy as possible for the age bracket most likely to commit mass shooting or gang violence to have unfettered access to whatever gun they want.
Which amendment guarantees you a hotel room?
Spastic idiot
Between 1970 and June 16, 2020, 175 school shootings were perpetrated by 17-year-olds. 16-year-olds perpetrated the second highest number of school shootings, with 163 shootings.
70% of the perpetrators of school shootings were under the age of 18, with the median age of 16.
Mass shooting 1966-2022—441
Percentage with handguns—-75
Percentage that were white—-54%
AVERAGE AGE——33.4 years
Are you ignorant and just like to talk, or purposely lying?
So what you’ve posted here proves AR’s should be restricted up to 33.4 yrs. I’m cool with that.
Other than that you just completely proved my point.
75% with handguns.
Need that stat again?
70% by people who werent allowed to have a gun.
Need that stat again?
“Most by 18-20”
Only thing i proved is that you’re a spastic idiot.
Your problems in reading data have been established ad nauseum here. Glad you’re still practicing your craft.
Spastic idiot says what?
Still butt hurt about that inflation thing? 9% indeed.
54% committed by white
Maybe since blacks are twice as likely to commit mass murder, we should restrict THEIR right to gun permits.
Mass shooting 1966-2022—441
Percentage that were white—-54%
Hey, cowardly Anonymous statistics guy! Now for comparison purposes do the statistics for the gun banning mecca of Chicago, Illinois! Here, let me help you!
Chicago gun crime statistics
54 mass shootings SO FAR THIS YEAR! ONE YEAR – how many since 1966?
Percentage who were black: 76.6%
300+ murders SO FAR THIS YEAR
Let’s do another statistical comparison using Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder’s national violent crime analysis.
Murders committed by White Americans: 4.5/100K
Murders committed by Black Americans: 34.4/100K (for Marxist Useful Idiots, that’s almost EIGHT TIMES the rate of White Americans)
That is a tragedy that results from the Soviet Democrats abandoning their identity politics group, black voters. Who are overwhelmingly the victims of violent black murderers.
You remind us of our 4th year statistical analysis prof speaking about the use of statistics: “Figures don’t lie, but liars often cherrypick numbers to figger”
I didnt analyze anything, you fvckstick. I did mention that blacks are twice as likely to commit mass murder than whites.
You should try to read with just a little comprehension, ya spastic idiot.
You were free to draw your own conclusion from that, Decrepit Rabid Dog
You really arent very bright, are you. You still think the two George’s are the same person .
Rabid.
Waters
There are 50,000,000 K-12 students every year. Even if these events occurred in one year, not 50+, they would still pale compared to the number of K-12 school aged kids that are killed annually because of cell phone usage.
If you take an average number of kids over that 50-year period, you are looking at about 1.75 Billion potential students (count one kid 13 times, one for each K-12 year) and the odds of being in a “school shooting” (not all school shootings lead to deaths or multiple deaths, and not all occur between students or during the class day, btw) is 10,000,000:1. The odds of surviving a Friday night stroll through a deep-blue urban area is much much greater.
Another rabid idiot that wants to argue with statistics. The point i made was that it wasnt 18-20 year olds committing “most” of the mass shootings, like the spastic idiot anonymous. And that “permits” wouldnt have changed a goddam thing, since 16 and 17 year olds cant get permits, but they killed a lot of people.
Waters
You didn’t make a point, moron. You just regurgitated what you have been told.
No, you got the point, you just dont like having your lie pointed out.
How do those boogers taste?
Are you trying to prove that Jasmine Crockett is relatively intelligent? The only point you may have made is that democrats are killers, and morons.
Age restrictions for renting a car are privately not publicly imposed. If McDonald’s wishes to decide that 18-21yr old patrons can not have guns inside – that would be perfectly constitutional.
And this is where your logic completely falls apart…
Cops ran from a shooter at Uvalde. In Florida. In Colorado. The security guy who tried to take out the young racist in Buffalo was outgunned.
Cops retreat from AR’s. Whether they’re hired by private business or government. Your libertarian tropes don’t work here.
O believe you are looking for the AR discussion down the hall.
This is about gun permits. Do you even know what that is?
Question is will you ever be mentally capable of realizing gun ownership isn’t a monolith? Granted you’re spitting out the rhetoric the gun lobby has trained into you, so you’re being a good boy in their eyes. That’s pretty much what you’re capable of.
“gun ownership isn’t a monolith”
LMAO
Irony isnt your strong suit, is it?
As far as permits go, there is plenty of statistical evidence to prove age is a good indicator for irresponsibility with guns, especially the ones capable of the most damage in the shortest time.
Well, the first stat you gave was a lie. Got another?
As far as permits go, there is plenty of statistical evidence to prove age is a good indicator for irresponsibility with guns
Now do statistical evidence as a good indicator proving race is a good indicator for irresponsibility with guns – regardless of whether there’s a permit involved.
Do figures like 4.5/100k versus 34.4/100K help your memory? And that’s without considering the badly skewed dark figure of crime.
Shall not be infringed.
Reality, assclown
He’ll, the cop in Butler County ducked when the trump shooter pointed an AR at him.
Sooner or later you assclowns might want take reality into account.
Welcome back Lawn Boy. This discussion is not about AR’s
That cop would have ducked if the perp pointed a Remington 700BDL at him too. Thats a hinting rifle, for your ignorant ass.
1. Neither renting cars nor renting hotel rooms are fundamental human rights. Being able to own the means for self defense is.
2. Private businesses are entitled to impose whatever restrictions they like on whom they choose to do business with, so long as there isn’t a law specifically banning it. Discrimination on the basis of age under 40 is perfectly legal. But the government is bound by the 14th amendment, and must give everyone equal protection of the laws. It has no right to discriminate against adults on the basis of age, whether over or under 40.
A cowardly Anonymous Marxist Useful Idiot popped up to prove they skipped civics class in high school: Funny that there are age restrictions on being able to rent a car or hotel room and the right don’t care about those
Funny… a flag that the person using it is an idiot. In the Soviet Democrats’ utopian Amerika, does their Bill of Rights include a prohibition on age restrictions for renting a car or hotel room? The 2nd Amendment with the words “shall not be infringed” still in their Bill of Rights?
making it as easy as possible for the age bracket most likely to commit mass shooting or gang violence to have unfettered access to whatever gun they want.
REALLY???? Tell us about the brackets most likely to commit mass shootings and gun murders in Chicago – Bolshevik Barack’s Soviet Democrat headquarters and national advertisement for the effectiveness of “reasonable gun control” restrictions. 54 mass shootings and over 300 gun murders so far this year.
76.6% are Soviet Democrat identity politics young black men. No statistics available on what percentage were enjoying young Soviet Democrat black thug life in gangs.
Can this Anonymous Marxist Useful Idiot explain to the laughing audience that the slaughter is because the gun laws in Chicago gave all those young black Soviet Democrats unfettered access to guns that results in their Obama gun control utopia being a blood soaked slaughterhouse of Soviet Democrats murdering other Soviet Democrats?
Or would he prefer the slaughterhouse that is Baltimore and the “unfettered access to whatever gun they want” in that gun banning utopia whose murder rate is twice the national average?
This is why they hide behind the username “Anonymous”.
Some of these Anonymous Soviet Democrat Useful Idiots should be required to get a license in order to be allowed to reproduce.
Frankly I think we should be talking more about the forced exit of the Erstwhile President of our country. I don’t see any notarized copy of his withdrawal speech and in fact I have not even seen any recent pictures of him for several days, let alone a liver appearance but I could be wrong.
Mostly I think of the Godfather where Luca Brasi and Vito Corleone assure the bandleader, employing Johnny Fontaine, that either his signature or his brains would be on the contract.
I just had to fantasize about who held down the President and who held the gun to his head while giving the threat. Any thoughts from the rest of the peanut gallery out there.
I more tend to believe this was done behind his back. He certainly didn’t write the letter and doubtful that was a live signature. The visit might have went ‘thanks for your service, we’ve decided it’s time to move on’
mike p
A question just as important: Does Joe know he’s not running again?
https://babylonbee.com/news/aides-figuring-out-how-to-break-the-news-to-biden-that-he-dropped-out
Those cemeteries all over our nation and in 30 + different foreign countries are a testament to the self sacrifice of a substantial number of 18 and 19 yr old American citizens and some who were not even citizens yet. The greatest danger they posed was to our enemies. If the left would simply concentrate on individuals who have committed crimes against us, as law abiding citizens, and putting these criminals in prison and keeping them there and then figuring out how to effectively rehabilitate them, then a useful service would be performed.
This other focus on eliminating firearms will not eliminate crime or death from crime. Talk to the UK where stabbings have skyrocketed . Crime involving “sharp instruments” is at an all time high of over 50,000 per year. Actually a 4 inch knife is easier to conceal than most firearms except maybe a derringer. And you don’t need a magazine or clip.
Meanwhile back in Doublestandardstan reps like Ayanna Pressley want to give the right to vote to 16 year old kids as they hypocritically also want to allow 17 year olds to avoid being charged as adults when they murder each other????
So:
Vote-yes, at 16
Drink-no, until 21
Serve in the military-yes, at 18
Be charged as an adult for murder, rape etc.-no until 20-21
Abortion without parental notification-yes at any age
Transitioning genders without parental notification or agreement-yes at any age
Gun rights-not until 21
The left are the most hypocritical people in our society and also the most active politically and that is why we are such a mess.
There I was, 18 years old–almost 19–learning to fire a FULLY AUTOMATIC M-16 rifle in US Army Basic Training and then authorized to fire that same type rifle and other weapons at human beings, in a valley west of Đà Nẵng, Việt Nam, at the tender age of 19. I can’t see SCOTUS ever declaring that 18 to 20 year-olds are not safe enough to fire a gun.
@Gordy Thomas – Those (we) 18-20 year old men and women who answered the call in spite of the atmosphere at home should always be hailed as the best of American youth of their time. Welcome home to you Gordy Thomas and all the Brothers and Sisters who read the professors blog.
I wish more effort was placed on the incarceration of dangerous 18 to 20 year old men and women, then the fear of all types of weapons would diminish.
Your self-serving bias makes you believe that you don’t deserve to be tyrannized, but maybe you do.
The court made the correct and logical ruling. Note, you join the military they give you a rifle and more. Just because your in the military does not make you more responsible. The 2nd Amendment, the way it is written in the Constitution, has withstood many attacks over the years especially under Biden Admin attacks. The Radical Left DEM lawyers/some judges/politicians try to twist the 2nd Amendment meaning but the higher courts and Supreme Court are there to correctly to interpret the Constitution.
“states have restricted guns in the hands of “irresponsible or dangerous groups, such as 18 to 20-year-olds.””
I can think of other groups of irresponsible or dangerous people much more violent than 18-20 year olds. The most dangerous and violent are, of course, Neo-con-alligned politicians and their patrons, followed by urban democrats
Anonymous 8:46 AM-definitely agree
A nice rule of thumb-don’t live in urban areas, you will be surrounded by lethal democrats.
GEB,
I would make one minor adjustment to your statement. You can live in a urban area, but have lethal Democrats living in other, much higher economic zip codes, passing laws that make the urban areas dangerous.
A few years ago, in Oakland CA, there was a large group of people, from Oakland CA, who wanted more cops on the streets of their community as crime had gotten so bad.
A group of antifa soy boys, aka white, from a much higher economic zip code showed up to counter-protest. If it were not for the presence of the police, the soy boys would of gotten a massive beat down.
Upstate, I talked to Glenn Beck, who used to live on the progressive West Side of Manhattan. I asked if he was being “abused” by the progressive New Yorkers who surrounded him. He said no, but when they started to do the same to his children playing in Central Park at a spot called Imagine (named for John Lennon), he decided to move to Texas.
Beck is a decent guy who is ideologically on the right. I live on the East Side, which is more diverse. Would a Republican attack the children of a man who is ideologically on the left? No. But the left will. Progressivism turns people into animals.