As Foghorn Leghorn warned “This is going to cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show.”
The Ohio Supreme Court just ruled that selling a boneless chicken dish does not mean that it is boneless because it is referring to a “cooking style not a guarantee.”
In my torts class, I teach food contamination and liability cases. One of the rules that we discuss is the reasonable consumer expectation test on finding objects or contaminants in food.
Some states apply a foreign-natural test in addition to the test based on reasonable consumer expectations. Under the “foreign-natural test,” a consumer can recover if the contaminating element is a foreign as opposed to a natural substance. Thus, bones are commonly known to be present in chickens. Under the expectations test, the consumer must show that she did not reasonably expect such contaminants.
The Ohio Supreme Court just issued a ruling amplifying that rule in Berkheimer v. REKM L.L.C. It affirmed a lower court judgment against a customer who sued a restaurant for negligence over an injury allegedly sustained by a chicken bone found in an order of “boneless wings.”
Justice Joseph T. Deters wrote for a four-justice majority and explained the facts and holding:
Michael Berkheimer sued a restaurant, its food supplier, and a chicken farm after he suffered serious medical problems resulting from getting a chicken bone lodged in his throat while he was eating a “boneless wing” served by the restaurant. The trial court determined that as a matter of law, the defendants were not negligent in serving or supplying the boneless wing, and the Twelfth District Court of Appeals affirmed that judgment.
Berkheimer contends that the court of appeals focused on the wrong question—whether the bone that injured him was natural to the boneless wing—in incorrectly determining that the restaurant did not breach a duty of care in serving him the boneless wing. Berkheimer maintains that the relevant question is whether he could have reasonably expected to find a bone in a boneless wing. And he argues that the resolution of that question should be left to a jury.
We conclude that the court of appeals got it right. In a negligence case involving an injurious substance in food, it is true—as Berkheimer argues—that whether there was a breach of a duty of care by a supplier of the food depends on whether the consumer could have reasonably expected the presence of the injurious substance in the food and thus could have guarded against it. But that consideration is informed by whether the injurious substance is foreign to or natural to the food. The court of appeals correctly applied this blended analysis in determining that there was no material question of fact about whether Berkheimer could have reasonably expected a bone to be in the boneless wing and thus could have guarded against it. We therefore affirm the judgment of the Twelfth District.
The key to the decision is that “boneless” does not actually mean boneless, but in the style of boneless chicken:
Berkheimer protests that the court of appeals did not give due consideration to the fact that the food item was advertised as a “boneless wing” and that there was no warning given that a bone might be in the boneless wing. Regarding the latter argument, a supplier of food is not its insurer. And regarding the food item’s being called a “boneless wing,” it is common sense that that label was merely a description of the cooking style. A diner reading “boneless wings” on a menu would no more believe that the restaurant was warranting the absence of bones in the items than believe that the items were made from chicken wings, just as a person eating “chicken fingers” would know that he had not been served fingers. The food item’s label on the menu described a cooking style; it was not a guarantee.
The dissent wonders what would happen in cases involving food that was advertised as lactose-free or gluten-free. Obviously, such cases are not before us. But unlike the presence of the bone in this case, the presence of lactose or gluten in a food that was advertised as lactose-free or gluten-free is not something a consumer would customarily expect and be able to guard against.
In dissent, Justice Michael Donnelly wrote with two joining colleagues that this not only undermines the jury system, but the holding was all for the birds:
The absurdity of this result is accentuated by some of the majority’s explanation for it, which reads like a Lewis Carroll piece of fiction. The majority opinion states that “it is common sense that [the label ‘boneless wing’] was merely a description of the cooking style.” Majority opinion at ¶ 23. Jabberwocky. There is, of course, no authority for this assertion, because no sensible person has ever written such a thing. The majority opinion also states that “[a] diner reading ‘boneless wings’ on a menu would no more believe that the restaurant was warranting the absence of bones in the items than believe that the items were made from chicken wings, just as a person eating ‘chicken fingers’ would know that he had not been served fingers.” Id. at ¶ 23. More utter jabberwocky. Still, you have to give the majority its due; it realizes that boneless wings are not actually wings and that chicken fingers are not actually fingers.
The majority’s burst of common sense was short-lived, however, because its opinion also says that no person would conclude that a restaurant’s use of the word “boneless” on a menu was the equivalent of the restaurant’s “warranting the absence of bones.” Id. Actually, that is exactly what people think. It is, not surprisingly, also what dictionaries say. “Boneless” means “without a bone.” . . .
The question must be asked: Does anyone really believe that the parents in this country who feed their young children boneless wings or chicken tenders or chicken nuggets or chicken fingers expect bones to be in the chicken? Of course they don’t. When they read the word “boneless,” they think that it means “without bones,” as do all sensible people. That is among the reasons why they feed such items to young children. The reasonable expectation that a person has when someone sells or serves him or her boneless chicken wings is that the chicken does not have bones in it. . . . Instead of applying the reasonable expectation test to a simple word—”boneless”—that needs no explanation, the majority has chosen to squint at that word until the majority’s “sense of the colloquial use of language is sufficiently dulled,” In re Ohio Edison Co., 2019-Ohio-2401, ¶ 67 (DeWine, J., concurring), concluding instead that “boneless” means “you should expect bones.”
In other words, as Foghorn would say, “You’re way off, I say you’re way off this time son!”
The fact is that the majority decision is in line with many other courts which have long rejected liability for bones in food. Thus, In Mix v. Ingersoll Candy Co., 6 Cal.2d 674, 676 (1936), a customer was injured when he swallowed a chicken-bone fragment that was in a chicken pie. The court distinguished between “the presence in food of bones which are natural to the type of meat served” and “the presence of a foreign substance, or an impure and noxious condition of the food itself, such as for example, glass, stones, wires or nails in the food served, or tainted, decayed, diseased, or infected meats or vegetables.”
However, in Mexicali Rose v. Sup. Ct.(1993), the court partially overturned Mix and ruled that there can be a negligence action against a restaurant for the failure to exercise due care in food preparation.
It barred strict liability on the basis that restaurants “owe no duty to provide a perfect enchilada.”
Confused? That is why Foghorn warned you: “Now that, I say that’s no way for a kid to be wastin’ his time, readin’ that long-haired gobbledegook”
Indeed, there are no bones about it.
Chew your food well, folks.
“I can’t define what a bone is. I am not an orthopedic surgeon”.
I am curious as to how the inherent vs contaminated distinction works in practice. E. coli contaminated meat is a serious problem. But the source of the E. coli is from the cow intestine. A nicked intestine during the butchering process can lead to sickness or death. I struggle to see how that is qualitatively different than leaving bone fragments in chicken.
“Chicken Fingers” means the chicken has no fingers in it.
And
“Natural born citizen” means it’s natural for the born citizen to have only one foreign parent, not two parents who are citizens.
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The American Founders and Framers employed a phrase without defining it, leaving its precise and comprehensive description to the scientists of jurisprudence.
The only definition of “natural born citizen” in the history of the world exists in the epic treatise, The Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758.
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NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)
BOOK 1, CHAPTER 19
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
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Kamala Harris is not a “natural born citizen.”
Boneless chicken means the chicken has bones in it.
And
Secession is prohibited because secession is not prohibited.
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Lincoln’s denial of secession was unconstitutional; every subsequent act of Lincoln remains unconstitutional, requiring correction.
Those wings identify as boneless
Jonathan: Despite all the clear signs, DJT claims he is not in “cognitive decline”. What is the reality? DJT mixes up the names of people, slurs his words, calls “origins”–“oranges”. At rallies he tells his supporters that Hannibal Lecter, the fictional character in “Silence of the Lambs” are not make believe. He says “these are real stories” and Lecter “is a lovely man. He wants to have you for dinner”. When DJT continues to claim Lecter is a real person we know he is detached from reality.
There is another indication of DJT’s cognitive decline. He promised to debate Kamala Harris “any time and any place”. Now he is backtracking. He refuses to accept the reality that Harris will be the Dem nominee. He now refuses to debate Harris because she is a “Marxist fraud” who he bizarrely thinks the Dems will replace at their convention next month. That’s an excuse. DJT is afraid to debate Harris because his advisors know that Harris will clean the floor with their candidate. Harris will expose DJT as a fraud and in cognitive decline!
The Woman’s Section is on the right when facing the wall. Are you sure you know what a woman is?
Dennis is so desperate.
Its almost sad to watch him clamor for anything to hold on to.
kinda like Kamala Harris (age 29) holding on to Willie Brown’s (age 60) boneless boner
DDC,
All their narratives keep failing. They held so much hope and that hope is now turning into rage as their narratives fail.
How marvelous!
Preview time for the Professor’s article about his own blog — today at The Hill, and likely tomorrow here at ground zero:
“The most chilling words today: I’m from NewsGuard and I am here to rate you”
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/4795501-newsguard-censorship-conservative-speech/
In my opinion, it’s a very interesting article — one might rightfully call it important — however I could have lived without the continuing plugs for Turley’s book.
It’s the presence of those promotional ads embedded in the Professor’s articles — saturation bombing the articles with ads for the book — that makes this sentence from the article at The Hill stand out:
“Yet, the fact that I have no advertisers or sponsors to scare off does not mean that NewsGuard cannot undermine the site.”
I don’t know about the potential to “undermine the site,” but I’m not sure whether the Professor is aware of one potential vulnerability whereby NewsGuard could attack the book’s publisher. And even if the book is self-published, there’s a vulnerability there, too, as observable, for instance, in the way one author’s book perceived as criticizing Kamala Harris has apparently been banned by Amazon:
“Amazon DISAPPEARS Book About Kamala Harris! w/ Caleb Maupin”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptVLNf4QrAo&t=3s
I know nothing about this guy or his book other than what’s presented in that interview. However, taking the interview at face value, it would suggest that — like rust — those who wish to engage in censorship never sleep.
Anyway, I imagine that this article at The Hill today may be here tomorrow, where it will likely generate all manner of comments running the entire spectrum from sincere book reviews to cheerleading for blacklisting.
But as PT Barnum famously said, “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.” Or as one of my favorite architecture professor’s liked to say (and I’ve no clue whether this was original or whether he was quoting someone else), “There are no problems, only design opportunities.”
What Turley is saying about NewsGuard is typical of anyone being scrutinized. It’s fair game after all. It’s clearly obvious Turley doesn’t read the comments or employ a decent proof reader. Certain questions from NewsGuard are indeed valid.
Turley criticizes GDI for providing information to advertisers so they can decide on their own if they want to associate their business with an organization. That’s not forcing anyone to avoid an organization. Giving people a choice is apparently a form of censorship to Turley.
“NewsGuard appears to believe that I should label myself as conservative or libertarian as a warning or notice to any innocent strays who may wander on to my blog. It does not appear that NewsGuard makes the same objection to HuffPost or the New Republic or MSNBC, which run overwhelmingly liberal posts. Yet, alleged conservative or libertarian sites are expected to post a warning as if they were porn sites.
NewsGuard is not alone in employing this technique. Mainstream media outlets often label me as a “conservative professor” in reporting my viewpoints. They do not ordinarily label professors with pronounced liberal views or anti-Trump writings as “liberal.”
Oh, wow. That’s a giant stinking fib. He absolutely plays the label game. When judges, professors, critics, prosecutors, etc. are involved Turley makes absolutely sure everyone knows they are democrats and strongly emphasizes their liberal or “leftist” bias. Because he does not do that when Republicans or conservatives are involved.
His views are clearly libertarian and conservative. That he bristles at the idea of being called out for it is priceless.
Boneless simply refers to intent and a stochastic process. A similar situation exists when a child survives attempted abortion, albeit with a lower survival rate.
May I recommend your attention to the “Fog Factor.”
Now I understand why Justice Jackson found it hard to define a woman. I just visited the Westen Wall in Jerusalem and observed that the Jews seem to have figured it out. The women are the folks praying on the left side of the partition.
The American Founders required citizens to be “…free white person(s)…” and voters to be male, European, 21, with 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.
America was designed, engineered, and manufactured to be intelligent, calm, rational, and coherent.
Ben Franklin gave Americans a severely restricted-vote republic, “if you can keep it.”
The —-ing dastardly milquetoast bas—-s couldn’t.
If the word boneless doesn’t mean anything than the word bullet doesn’t mean anything an MSNBC. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_sdPEcJps&pp=ygUfUmljayB3aWxzb24gcHV0IGEgYnVsbGl0IGluIGhpbQ%3D%3D
Don’t you just love your Ohio republicans?
https://www.alternet.org/jd-vance-swastika/
Don’t you mean nazi loving republican?
You mean the Ukrainian nazis Biden is sleeping with?
Could you please link some documentation on this?
Here’s some nbc – your type loves that source: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
PS Nazis are better than commies.
Huh? So he’s supposed to refuse to window shop at a perfectly respectable vendor’s table, because some other vendor at a different table is selling historical collectibles?!
Yes, If you are at a place that is openly displaying Mazi symbols and you take picture of those nazi symbols and spread them around, you are a nazi sympathizer. Disgusting.
Look up the definition of a Fascist, Go through the points, you will find trump hits them all. And if JD posts nazi symbols, becomes the running mate of a person that spouts fascist ideas, Yes, JD is a fascist.
Vance was not at a place displaying Nazi symbols, he never posted any Nazi symbols, and you are disgusting for flinging such an accusation around. You are suggesting that a person should never shop at a vendor if it is even next door to a place that sells collectibles. (Not that there’s anything wrong with selling WW2 collectibles either. But that’s a different discussion.)
Also, if you think Trump is a fascist you have no idea what fascism is. Fascism is a Marxist heresy; nothing Trump stands for resembles it at all.
Caveat emptor.
Read below as Dennis the Draft Dodger loses what was left of his mind.
DJT intends to take over the world!!
Notice how he loves to quote things trump supposedly said, but he never links to the video.
Jonathan: You can count on the conservative majority on Ohio’s SC to come up with their own version of the right-wing ruling by SCOTUS striking down the Chevron doctrine–now applying that rationale to tort law.
Michael Berkheimer ordered boneless chicken and ended up swallowing a roughly 13/8 inch chicken bone. It tore into his esophagus and caused a bacterial infection in his thoracic cavity. Rather than let a jury sort out liability, the conservative majority ruled a jury couldn’t possible believe a boneless wing would be free of bones. The majority’s decision defies logic and common sense. But that’s what conservative judges are doing these days.
Maybe we should apply the Ohio ruling to politics as well. DJT promises that if he gets back into the WH he will be “dictator” for only ONE day. Maybe we should question DJT’s “menu” of political promises. I say this because last night DJT spoke again at Charlie Kirk’s racist and White nationalist Turning Point conference. DJT told the Christian audience: “Christians, get out and vote, just this time…You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, so it will be fine, you won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians”.
What does DJT mean by that statement? Based on prior statements and his actions we know what DJT is planning. If he gets power again he will cancel future elections. That was was the plan behind Jan. 6. He wanted to stay in power indefinitely despite the wishes of voters. And DJT thinks he has the power to do that because of the SC “immunity” decision that says a president cannot be criminally prosecuted for “official acts”.
So voters you are for warned. DJT’s “menu” of promises is not what it seems. He wants absolute power–absolutely and forever. There will definitely be bones in the “boneless chicken” you think you are ordering!
Turning Point is neither racist nor white nationalist. And if you think Trump plans to cancel elections you’re a lunatic.
He tired to ignore the election in 2020, and now says there will be no need to vote because he will fix it. The true lunatics are those ignoring reality.
1-3/8”???
Any mongrel who doesnt chew their food any better than that is having a visit from Darwin.
Get a grip, Denny. You been misinformed again.
Thanks, Dennis: According to reports, Trump told Netanyahu that if he loses, there will be “World War III”. I doubt that he meant what many believe would be the case–that if Putin is helped in taking over Ukraine by the US pulling aid, he’ll go after Poland and the Baltic countries next. Of course, they are all NATO allies, and Trump would simply refuse to honor the US’s NATO treaty obligations, all of which would de-stabilize Europe—that could lead to WW III. Putin has made no bones about it (pun intended)–he wants to re-take the former USSR countries and force them to live under Russian rule. At minimum, failing to help Ukraine stop Putin would result in tremendous and unnecessary loss of life–and for what? Putin’s ego, his pathological need for power. But, that’s probably not what Trump meant. He’s planning another January 6th. Read Project 2025. As it turns out, guess who wrote a foreword to “Project 2025”? None other than J.D. Vance, who refers to a “Second American Revolution”. THIS might be a hint as to what Trump meant. He thinks he can stir up the faithful to atack once again if he loses. Donnie: we’re ready for you this time–there are more of us than ther are the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazis, Boogaloo Boys, white supremacists and others who would go to battle for you. You won’t get away with it a second time.
In a call broadcast on Fox, Trump referred to our sitting Vice President as “garbage”. Regardless of your politics, misogynistic and/or racist tendencies, think about the implcations of a United States presidential candidate calling our Vice Presidence “garbage”. What does this asy about America and, more importantly, Donald Trump? Criticizing an opposing candidate for their views and their history is fair game–but this is far worse, and, sadly, typical of Trump. THIS is the media outlet Turley works for, so Turley decides to pen a piece about chicken bones in “boneless” food items.
There’s even another lesson in this story about bones in food, and that is the effect of tort litigation on businesses. If a business could get sued for allowing bones big enough to cause the kind of injury reported here, they would be way more careful to make sure there weren’t such large pieces of bones in “boneless” chicken. A 1 3/8 inch piece of bone is large, and should have been detected and removed before the food was served. What if a child had been served this item? He/she could have died. As it is, the injury to the victim here was significant. A question frequently asked in tort litigation is: who is in a better position to prevent injuries? Is it really illogical or unfair to hold a restaurant accountable for selling “boneless” chicken with bones it it? Does a customer expect to find a chunk of bone in a “boneless” chicken dish? I don’t think so.
Gigi, what happened to you? You wanted data regarding Israel’s sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, among other things. I provided a list of laws and treaties. You ran away, which I guess means you aren’t serious about anything.
At the time, you thought the Palestinian Authority governed Gaza. That demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the area. I wanted to add that when Hamas took over Gaza, they killed many from the Palestinian Authority.
One can’t listen to a word you say because when your questions are answered by known and established laws, you run away.
You just make things up. The Palestinian Authority is the official government of Gaza— not Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization and it is an entity that carried out the October attack. A “list of laws and treaties” is meaningless. What proof do you have that the Palestinian Authority is not the official government of the Palestinian people?
KNOW THE ENEMY
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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Hamas is Palestinian, and Palestinians are Hamas.
Allies of and apologists for Hamas and the Palestinians are the enemy.
LOL you are priceless. Laws and treaties are meaningless to Gigi. Its what Maddow or Vox says that important. What a douche.
Since 2006, the Gaza Strip has been controlled by Hamas, an armed group and political party that was founded during the first Palestinian “intifada,” or uprising, against Israeli rule in 1987–93. (The name Hamas is an acronym for “The Islamic Resistance Movement” in Arabic.)28 May 2024
Gigi insists on xer own reality
“The Palestinian Authority is the official government of Gaza— not Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization.”
Gigi, you must like playing the part of the fool. I will quote from the leftist Wikipedia: “Hamas has governed the Gaza Strip in Palestine since its takeover of the region from rival party Fatah in June 2007.”
“A “list of laws and treaties” is meaningless.”
Then what is meaningful? Your craziness. The same laws that created the boundaries for Saudia Arabia, Syria, Iraq and almost all the states in the Middle East are the same laws that set up Israel as sovereign over Judea and Samaria. If you wish to break up the territorial integrity of Israel, then you have to do the same for all the countries.
Agreements and treaties contain proof of everything I said. You don’t like the results, so you invalidate all the agreements, treaties, and territorial boundaries of every country in the world.
Now you can run away again, but YOU CANNOT HIDE.
S. Meyer,
Great take down of gigi!
Per “Wikipedia”:
The Palestinian Authority, officially known as the Palestinian National Authority[a] or the State of Palestine,[7] is the Fatah-controlled government body that exercises partial civil control over the Palestinian enclaves in the Israeli-occupied West Bank as a consequence of the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords.[2][8][9] The Palestinian Authority controlled the Gaza Strip prior to the Palestinian elections of 2006 and the subsequent Gaza conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties, when it lost control to Hamas; the PA continues to claim the Gaza Strip, although Hamas exercises de facto control. Since January 2013, the Palestinian Authority has used the name “State of Palestine” on official documents, although the United Nations continues to recognize the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) as the “representative of the Palestinian people”.[10]
“THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY CONTINUES TO CLAIM THE GAZA STRIP. ” Other countries do NOT recognize Hamas. The Palestinian Authority did NOT conduct the October 7 attack in Israel, and none of this changes the immorality of Israel allowing innocent children to die of thirst and starvation and refusing to allow outside groups to provide food and water, which are human rights violations. Israel cannot deny that the relentless bombing is killing innocent Palestinian citizens and probably some of the hostages, too, that there’s no way for Israel to kill all nenbers of Hamas. Israel’s human rights abuses will serve as the impetus for future Hamas-like organizations to emerge. According to “Time” magazine: “The United Nations has published and credited third-party estimates of the number of those killed and injured in the war. Those include estimates that more than 34,900 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza and more than 1,200 people in Israel.”
Israel’s abuses of the Palestinians is the driving force behind the terrorist groups–moving 700,000 Israelis into the West Bank, rounding up and imprisoning hundreds of Palestinians and holding them without trials, including women, refusing to allow the Palestinian people to self-govern and controlling things like their water supply, and now, the killing of almost 40,000 Palestinian people, most of whom are women and children. There’s plenty of hate to go around over there, and Israel’s hands are not clean. It cannot justify the endless bombing and killing of civilians, and people are upset with the US government for providing the bombs and bullets Israel is using to kill the Palestinian people. It is not anti-Semitic to criticize Israel or to call on the US government to do everything possible to stop the bombing and killing.
Gigi, the Wikipedia paragraph you copied was reasonably correct. Then, typing in capitals, you copied an incorrect claim by the PA, which is meritless. Following that, you wrote your own craziness, which was bred on your ignorance. You proved yourself wrong and proved that I was correct.
“Other countries do NOT recognize Hamas.”
Name them.
“The Palestinian Authority did NOT conduct the October 7 attack in Israel,”
True, but they are terrorists as well and act in support of Hamas and the terrorists.
“and none of this changes the immorality of Israel allowing innocent children to die of thirst and starvation and refusing to allow outside groups to provide food and water, which are human rights violations.”
You and your type are the real killers because, without your ignorance and anti-Semitism, this war would never have happened.
“Israel cannot deny that the relentless bombing is killing innocent Palestinian citizens and probably some of the hostages, too, that there’s no way for Israel to kill all nenbers of Hamas.”
By using hostages as human shields, Hamas is killing their own people. Israel has acted more humanely than any country I can think of.
” Israel’s human rights abuses will serve as the impetus for future Hamas-like organizations to emerge.”
No. Israel is going to end this war and end Hamas. Hezbollah will be defeated in the next stage of the war as well. The question is whether Biden’s stupidity will lead to a major confrontation with Iran, which will have to be defeated. US interests involve the survival of Israel and Iran’s aggression being suppressed. Though you are too stupid to have heard what Hamas says, much less Iran, the US is the main target.
“According to “Time” magazine: “The United Nations has published and credited third-party estimates of the number of those killed and injured in the war. Those include estimates that more than 34,900 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza and more than 1,200 people in Israel.”
Yes, and almost all the deaths were caused by Hamas terrorists.
I will skip the rest of your drivel because your ignorance is only surpassed by your unintelligent arrogance.
Gigi The Palestinian authority is the official government of the West Bank.
Hamas is the official government of Gaza and has been for almost 2 decades.
And absolutely Hamas is a terrorist organization.
“The Gaza Strip is currently governed by the Hamas government, which has been in power since June 2007. Hamas, a Palestinian Islamist political party and militant organization, won a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in 2006 and subsequently seized control of the Gaza Strip from the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority.
Key Facts
Established: June 2007
Leader: Yahya Sinwar (Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip since February 2017)
Headquarters: Gaza City”
“What proof do you have that the Palestinian Authority is not the official government of the Palestinian people?”
The last election in Gaza in 2006 when Hamas took control of the govenrment of Gaza and has held it ever since.
Other countries do not recognize Hamas as the official government, including the UN.
Do you chew your food, hag, or do you routinely swallow chunks 1-3/8” in long??
I picture your obese, diabetic ass chowing down a whole boneless wing.
Disgusting.
“According to reports, Trump told Netanyahu”
When ever have those doing this reporting been correct about anything ?
According to the reports that you follow – Trump wrote” Mein Kampf”
As an aside – Trump has increased his share of the popular vote by about 8%.
Would there be WWIII if Trump magically loses ?
Quite possibly. Why ? Because right now it would require MASSIVE fraud for a democrat to win.
RCP’s no tossup map has an EC vote of Trump 312:226 has Trump winning the popular vote by about 8M votes.
Trump is ahead in every single “swing state”. He has had more than enough EC votes to win for 18months, and he has been ahead in EVERY swing state for atleast 6 months.
And that is if Democrats actually show up to vote.
This is NOT 2020.
If the people wake up the day after the election to magically discover the polls were all wrong by 4% – which is what it would take for Harris to win. You can bet that alot of people are going to be pissed. 4pt errors in polling are RARE – atleast in the various poll averages.
Even individual pollsters having a 4pt error is pretty rare. I do not think as an example Rassmussen has EVER had greater than a 3% error and typically they are within 1%. There are a few left wing polls that have had large errors. But again 4pt errors on poll agregates are unheard of. What a 4% discrepancy between the polls and the alleged vote means is FRAUD. And frankly OBVIOUS fraud.
One of the huge problems that Democrats have right now is the tactics of 2020 that presumed that Trump would lose the popular vote – as he did in 2020 will not work if Trump wins the popular vote.
No democratic candidate today can lose the popular vote to Trump and win the electoral college without Fraud.
While the converse is not true. Democrats have concentrated themselves in small enclaves in this country.
The left likes to rant about Gerrymandering – but the FACT is you gerymandered yourself and you are demanding that the courts fix your own free choices.
Regardless if you do not want post election conflict – that is easy, Don’t cheat. Follow the law as it is.
You already have gamed the election in WI with the ludicrously stupid WI Spureme court decision that claimed that “unattended ballot boxes” meet WI election law requirements that absentee Ballots must be delivered in person to county election offices.
NOR is WI the only state that has gamed their elections this way.
When the majority of people are aware of this conduct – they call it CHEATING.
The FACT is that Democrats are going to cheat in 2024 – that is a given. There will also be cheating by republicans – but the same democraphic factors that have self gerrymandered democrats means that it is much harder for Republicans to cheat and not get caught than democrats. I do not have much more trust of Republican political operatives than democrats – Though i would note SELF REPORTED polling by Democrat elites that unlikely 95% of the country – democrat elites are many times more likely to cheat when they have convinced themself that they are doing so for a good cause.
That is why the idiocy that Trump is a dictator or a NAZI or Hitler.
If Trump actually were Hitler – most Americans would be willing to assassinate him, to violate the law to win, to cheat to defeat Trump.
And the rhetoric the left engages in – the nazi references they constant racism, sexism, hateful, hating haters, nonsense is not merely to motivate their base to show up at the polls, it is also to provide the false moral foundations for the elite left to Cheat.
John Say: you live in “MAGA LAND”, a fantasy world in which: 1. Donald Trump didn’t cheat his way into office in 2016 (even a Republican-led Senate committee said his campaign accepted help from Russian hackers); 2. that he didn’t lose the popular vote in 2016–he did lose, but connived a way around the popular vote via the Electoral College, with help from Russians who spread lies about Hillary Clinton on social media–she still won the popular vote; 3. Donald Trump really won by a “landslide” in 2020, even though all polls said he lost, the country was in shambles, and there is still no proof of widespread voter fraud; 4. that Trump is not a convicted criminal–he IS; alternatively–that people don’t care that he is a convicted criminal, tried to rig the vote in Georgia, stole classified documents and lied about returning them; and that he’s facing dozens of other charges; Americans DO care about the rule of law and the security of our most-sensitive secrets; 5. that people don’t care about Project 2025–they DO, and he can’t lie his way out of the fact that this is the agenda if he cheats his way back into office again. J.D. Vance wrote a foreword that spoke to a Second American Revolution–all of which are unpopular with the American people.
You are not up to date on the polls–Trump lost whatever edge he had and polls either show him tied with Harris or behind her. You say nonsensical things like: “No democratic candidate today can lose the popular vote to Trump and win the electoral college without Fraud.” Trump has NEVER “won the popular vote” and won’t again–because most Americans don’t like him or his agenda. He did such a bad job when he cheated his way into office in 2016 that no reasonable person who isn’t in the Cult of Turmp would consider giving him another go. People unnecessarily died of COVID because of his lies and downplaying of the dangers, saying it was no worse than the flu when it is 10Xs more deadly. This is because he has NO leadership skills and cannot demure to the expertise of others-which is why he had to waddle out in front of cameras and dominate news conferences with the CDC, throwing in comments about bleach and Hydroxychloroquine, instead of letting the scientists inform the American people–these news conference weren’t about COVID–they were about Trump.
Panels of respective economists say that Trump’s tariffs will tank our economy, and that the first round of tariffs did more damage than previously realized. How about the tax cuts for the wealthiest–how are these going to be paid for? Republicans have said that they like cuts to Social Security, Medicare, SNAP and school lunch programs for impoverished children. Then, there’s the concentration camps and 20 million migrant deportations. How is this going to be paid for and who is going to pick our vegetables and fruits, do roofing and other construction work, clean hotels and work in restaurants? How about the complete elimination of abortions via a “fetal personhood” statute that over-rides state laws–it’s in Project 2025 that expressly says “Dobbs was just the beginning”. Women will die as a reasult. Then, there’s overhauling all agencies and putting total control in Trump’s tiny hands, giving him the power to fire career civil servants unless they do what they are told. NOAA will go away because it keeps track of facts and figures on climate change and Trump’s oil executive donors want climate change to go away–so NOAA has to go away.
You say: “don’t cheat–follow the law”–TELL THAT TO TRUMP, who has cheated at everything in his pathetic life, from getting into Wharton by having a Jewish guy take the entrance exam for him, cheater in business, cheater in his 3 marriages and cheated his way into office. You say it is a “given” that Democrats will cheat–on WHAT planet? The only PROVEN cheater is Trump–who not only accepted help from Russians in 2016, he tried to get Secretaries of State to rig the vote for him in swing states, tried to get his fans to storm the Capitol to prevent Biden from taking office, and who has continued to spread the Big Lie since 2020, every single day. It’s all about Trump and it will always be all about Trump and feeding that massive ego.
Just HOW are “unattended ballot boxes” CHEATING? Do you think that election officials cannot detect fake ballots and don’t cross-check to be sure that the voter is registered and has not already voted? This is just a lame argument, like the other lame arguments to cause worry and concern about the secuirty of our elections–all without any evidence.
Trump IS all of the things you claim–he IS a racist, misogynist, xenophobe, and even an Anti-Semite. Just listen to what he has to say.
Another idiot post by Gigi. If one can’t find 50 stupid things Gigi said, one isn’t trying hard enough. She can’t argue one point at a time because she is so crazy and ignorant. She never responds to the facts thrown back at her. Why? Because Gigi’s ignorance is pathologic.
With respect to Putin and Ukraine – Does Putin wish to create a greater Russia with bordersw similar to that of the USSR – certainly.
He also likely wishes to rule the world.
The question is not What Putin wishes.
It is what he can and will do.
Putin has NEVER attacked a neighboring country EXCEPT when there has been talk of their joining NATO.
At the collapse of the USSR – Gorbechev and Russia were PROMISED that NATO would not come withing 1000 miles of the Border of Russia. That promise was part of the negotiations acheiving the US objective of getting Russia to take control of ALL Nuclear weapons throughout the former Soviet Union. The US did not want the collapse of the USSR to result in myriads of former USSR countries becoming nuclear powers.
The invasion of Georgia – was preceded by talk of Georgia joining NATO.
The Invasion of Crimea was preceded by Talk of Ukraine joining NATO and Hillary and Nuland orchestrating a coup to remove a Russia friendly government in Ukraine in 2012.
The current invasion of Ukraine resulted from many of the same players in the Biden administration discussing NATO membership of UKRAINE.
Gigi – your nonsense regarding Ukraine has been addressed many many times – by me and others.
Trump is not going to abandon Ukraine, He is going to fascilitate a peace deal. Something that was possible but for the interferance of the US and UK as far back as March of 2022 – that is about a million lives ago.
Russia can not win this war. Nor can Ukraine without the West providing Combat Troops on the ground.
There is ZERO fear of Russia invading anywhere else for many decades. This is probably the last war for Russia as we know it today.
Demographics are against Russia.
Lets presume buy some impossible Miracle Putin managed to conquer Ukraine.
Are you stupid enough to think that Russia would be able to turn around and invade Poland in less than several decades – if ever ?
Russia invading Poland would be a bloody mess if NATO did not intervene – but Russia would lose.
Open your eyes. But for half the nukes in the world – Russia is NOT a super power, they are NOT a global power.
They are a diminishing regional power.
If the US were to decide that they would remove themselves ENTIRELY from Ukraine EXCEPT telling Russia that ANY use of WMD’s in Ukraine would result in a devastating US response, Europe would become even more engaged than they are.
Europe would not only provide weapons but also Troops. Further bizarre artificial restraints that the US has imposed would go away – Ukraine and Europe would be free to counter strike into the heart of Russia.
The character of the War would change – But Russia would lose.
This war has been effectively over since a few months after it started, All that is needed is for the US to quit pretending that Russia is going to be defeated on the battlefield. And to recognize what is obvious – that Russia is not doing this again – BECAUSE IT CAN’T.
A peace deal has been trivial (that does not mean painless), from the start. Russia wants a formal binding security guarantee – no country bordering Russia will be allowed into NATO. Russia wants its energy infrastructure rebuilt and sanctions lifted and to be brought back into the global trade community. It is likely that Russia will demand that the Ukrainian territories that it has occupied be set up as politically autonomous zones – essentially they will for some time be Russian Puppet States. Formally still part of Ukraine, but fundimentally in the orbit of Moscow not Kiev. Ukraine will want western aide to rebuild.
Something close to that will be the peace deal. Such a deal could have been reached in March 2022.
But If Trump[ is not elected – it will likely take another million deaths before that deal is made.
If you add up all the proud boys, Oath Keepers Boogaloo boys, KKK, Neo Nazis in the country – they would be less than the number of Antifa in Portland.
Nearly all the “white supremecists” in the US are white prison gangs much like the Crips and the Bloods.
They are very dangerous – if you are a competing Drug dealer.
The fact that you are terrified of White Supremecists in the most diverse country in the world, the least racist country in the world at the least racist moment in time, is proof how disconnected you are from reality.
“Read Project 2025.”
Take your own advice,
Here is a video of a left leaning host interrviewing on of the authors of project 2025 and actually debating the issues.
https://youtu.be/HluiHpSLag4
Project 2025 is Heritage Foundations decades long plan for A republican executive. It is very much the same as it was in 2020, 2016, 2012, 2008.
There is plenty in it, and therefore certainty that anyone will find something they do not like.
What it is NOT is a plan for the end of democracy.
It is a plan for REDUCING the power of the federal government. That is about as far as you can get from setting up a totalitarian state.
It IS however a plan for dismembering the unconstitutional expansion of Federal executive powers.
Personally though the authors claim it is NOT neo-con, it is STILL too neocon for me.
But then it is Democrats who are the neocons today.
You have not read Project 2025 – you are busy slandering something you actually know nothing about.
I doubt you can correctly state a single policy within it.
Regardless it is NOT Knew.
It is think tanks doing what think tanks do.
As to Trump – he is going to ignore your nonsense about Project 2025.
Republicans adopted a platform last week. That is Trump[‘s and the Republican parties promise to the country.
John Say,
Excellent take down of the clueless one.
She only believes what Rachel Maddow tells her.
Hey Mable I’m cooking eggs for brunch, what cooking style should I use? Do you want them fried, scrambled, soft-boiled, hard-boiled, poached, or boneless?
In the words of one frequent commenter, those judges ” are just making shit up”.
Yes, jury trial. Juries are reasonable people with expectations. These judges are “in the style of” judges accepting payola.
Another hatchling in the flock of chicken cases, ncluding that bane of first-year law students, Frigaliment Importing Co. v. B.N.S. Int’l Sales Corp., 190 F.Supp. 116 (S.D.N.Y. 1960), where the well-known, to us legal types, Circuit Judge Henry J. Friendly started the opinion by stating the question: “The issue is, what is chicken?” https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/190/116/1622834. Frigaliment was preceded by the unfortunate fowl in United States v. Causby, 328 U.S. 256 (1946), https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/328/256, frightened to that big henhouse in the sky by aircraft noise.
What can be reasonably expected? This is subjective and involves a lot of situational context. From experience I am always careful when eating filleted fish, and I have bitten into pieces of pits in pitted olives, but I have never heard of anyone encountering a piece of bone, let alone, large enough to choke on and cause physical injury, in chicken nuggets, bites, fingers, strips or any other processed food of this nature. Never! I don’t know of any parent who carefully monitors their young children when feeding them these processed foods. There are foods which people expect to be boneless such as a processed food “boneless ham” in a can, bologna, baby food or a hamburger from a fast food restaurant.
“Boneless” cannot refer to a cooking style when buying “boneless chicken thighs” at the market because they haven’t been cooked yet. I am not a chef (and I don’t play one on TV), but it is my understanding that at culinary schools they teach different styles of cooking. I have assumed this doesn’t include different ways to cook “fillet mignon” with the bones attached. There are foods we expect to be boneless even when the word “boneless” is not used in the name.
Some have commented that the person should have chewed the food thoroughly. For etiquette or a healthy method of eating, this may be a good idea, but it is irrelevant to a standard expectation of what is being eaten.
Some years ago, McDonalds sold a McRib sandwich. The processed meat used was from ribs. When I first heard of “boneless chicken wings” I didn’t know if they were wings with the bones removed (like boneless thighs and breasts) or if they were made from completely processed dark meat (legs, wings and thighs)? I had to google them. I was surprised to learn they were made from chicken breasts. Though I was surprised, never, never, never was there any question as to whether they were really boneless. To assume that anyone would interpret “boneless” to mean a style of cooking and not “boneless” is a complete lack of common sense!
There may be other reasons or legal precedent for the judgement, but to justify it with the reasoning provided is absurd! It would also be humorously silly if it wasn’t a judgement against an individual who suffered injury.
This decision is illogical and I have to think it is a case motivated reasoning. I cannot guess what is the motivation.
If the chicken has not been deboned, they should not call it “boneless.” Just say, “chicken wings” or “fried chicken wings.” It is perfectly normal for a person to assume if the item has the word “boneless” appended, that the bones will have been removed. Nothing is perfect and allowance can be made when the occasional fragment remains. But to market it as “boneless” when the purveyor clearly knows it has not been deboned should be considered fraudulent–more than mere negligence.
What you don’t understand is that “boneless wings” ARE NOT WINGS, and have NOT been deboned. They’re pieces of breast meat. Normally they don’t have wings in, but there’s no guarantee of that.
I happen to be a lifelong cook, and no, ‘boneless’ is not ‘obviously’ a cooking style. ‘Bonehead’ is apparently a judicial style in 2024 though, and one that seems to have caught fire.
By the same token, I don’t know how one eats a bone large enough to get lodged in the esophagus and cause infection without knowing it before swallowing if they actually chew their food. And even in truly boneless products, they are going to miss the occasional fragment at the factory, and I perhaps mistakenly thought that a small allowance for it or similar was already built in legally as a margin for error.
This country is a bloody mess, and IQs are dropping daily now, it seems, our lobotomized society.
The only thing that *doesn’t * surprise me is the sense of entitlement on both sides, and that is just sad to me.