Below is my column in the New York Post on the growing hysteria among press and pundits proclaiming the imminent end of democracy if Kamala Harris is not elected. The predictions of mass roundups, disappearances, and tyranny ignore a constitutional system that has survived for over two centuries as the oldest and most stable democracy in the world. More importantly, the public appears to agree that democracy is under threat but appear to hold a very different notion of where that threat is coming from.
Here is the column:
“Democracy dies in darkness” is the Washington Post’s slogan, but can it handle the light?
The Post has been doggedly portraying the election between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris as a choice between tyranny (Trump) and democracy (Harris). Yet when it commissioned a poll on threats to democracy shortly before the election, it did not quite work out.
Voters in swing states believe that Trump is more likely to protect democracy than Kamala Harris, who is running on a “save democracy” platform.
The poll sampled 5,016 registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
When asked whether Trump or Harris “would do a better job” of “defending against threats to democracy,” 43% picked Trump while 40% picked Harris.
Notably, this was the same result when President Biden was the nominee. While over half said that threats to democracy were important to them, the voters trusted Trump (44%) more than Biden (33%) in protecting democracy.
Even with the slight improvement for Harris, the result was crushing for not just many in the Harris campaign but the press and pundits who have been unrelenting in announcing the end of democracy if Harris is not elected.
Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has declared with authority that either you vote for Harris, or this “may well be the last real vote you ever get to cast.”
I have long criticized the apocalyptic, democracy-ending predictions of Biden, Harris and others as ignoring the safeguards in our system against authoritarian power.
Nevertheless, Harris supporters have ratcheted up the rhetoric to a level of pure hysteria. Recently, Michael Cohen, a convicted felon and Trump’s disbarred former lawyer, told MSNBC that if Trump wins the election, he will “get rid of the judiciary and get rid of the Congress.”
Recently, MSNBC host Al Sharpton and regular Donny Deutsch warned viewers that they will likely be added to an enemies “list” for some type of roundup after a Trump election.
MSNBC host Rachel Maddow also joined in the theme of a final stand before the gulag: “For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us.”
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was quick to add her own name to a list that seems to be constantly updated by the media. She told podcast host Kara Swisher, “I mean, it sounds nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.”
On ABC’s “The View,” the hosts are becoming indistinguishable from tinfoil-hatted subway prophets. Whoopi Goldberg even explained how Trump is already committed to being a dictator who will “put you people away … take all the journalists … take all the gay folks … move you all around and disappear you.”
Of course, assuming that Cohen is wrong that there will be no courts after a Trump victory, this would require federal judges to sign off on the rounding up of MSNBC personalities, all gay people, all reporters, and, of course, Whoopi Goldberg.
All that is required is for over two centuries of constitutional order to fail suddenly, and for virtually every constitutional actor in our system to suddenly embrace tyranny.
Those pushing this hysteria often curiously cite the January 6 riot as proof that the end is near. Yet that horrible day was the vindication, not the expiration, of our constitutional system. The system worked. The riot was put down. Congress, including Republicans, reassembled and certified Biden as the next president.
In the courts, many Trump-appointed judges ruled against challenges to the election.
Our system was put through a Cat 5 stress test and did not even sway for a moment.
Nevertheless, the same voices are being heard on the same media outlets with doomsday scenarios.
Former Acting US Solicitor General Neal Katyal told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” ominously, “We are looking at a very possible constitutional crisis and one that’s going to make January 6, 2021, look like a dress rehearsal. And this year, the rogues have had four years to go pro and perfect the big lie.”
In other words: Be afraid, very afraid.
Then, in a New York Times column, Katyal lays out scenarios premised on a complete breakdown of the oldest and most stable democratic system in history.
It is like telling passengers on an ocean liner that we will all drown and then whispering that this is “assuming the crew intentionally scuttles the ship, all bulkheads and sealed departments fail, and every lifeboat and life preserver is discarded.”
But then we are all going to die.
The only way to avoid that watery grave (with the death of democracy itself)? Vote Democratic.
There is, however, some good news in all of this: Despite years of alarmist predictions from Biden, Harris, the press, and pundits, the public is not buying it.
It is not because they particularly like Trump. Many of his supporters seem poised to vote for him despite viewing him as polarizing and, at times, obnoxious.
No, it is because the American voter has a certain innate resistance to being played as a chump. Many of the same figures claiming that democracy is at stake supported ballot cleansing to remove Trump and others from the ballots. They supported the weaponization of the legal process in New York against Trump. Likewise, as Harris insists that she is the only hope for fundamental rights, many cannot fail to notice that she is supporting an unprecedented system of censorship that one court called “Orwellian.”
None of this means that the choice between Trump and Harris is easy. However, Harris’ claim to be the only hope for democracy is proving as tin-eared as running on pure “joy.”
Voters are clearly demanding more than a political pitch of abject fear mixed with illusive joy.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
The Titanic had better leadership than the Democrats!
Greg Gutfeld, three minutes of jokes:
https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1849503052858040723
First one: South Korea, to encourage couples to have more children, is offering nannies at $7/hour. Relatedly, Doug Emhoff is now planning to move to South Korea.
Under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment Trump is not a legal candidate for any government office. That is the constitutional system of the United States. Trump is not legally eligible to run for future office.
Reminder for Conservatives: your 2nd Amendment gun rights only survive in a constitutional system. Trump wants to end that American system.
Turley please stop with the constitutional system stuff if you ignore Trump’s constitutionally-subversive plans!
^ cookoo ^
“Under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment Trump is not a legal candidate
for any government office.”
When reality is inconvenient, just say whatever stupid crap comes to
mind—Svelaz
Here we have a nicompoop who doesn’t mind just coming right out and
saying he enjoys his own reality.
Section 5 of the 14th gives Congress the power to enforce Section 3, by
LEGISLATION. SCOTUS ruled such.
Which Congress did. It’s called 18 USC 2383. Go read it. It says
insurrectionists cannot hold any office.
All you need is a conviction.
Reality sucks.
Fek off
All bets were off when the Kenyan goat herder was elected and Marxists were legitimized.
Under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment Trump is not a legal candidate for any government office.
Dammit Liz Cheney, why couldn’t you at least help Jack Smith to indict him with insurrection by fabricating a bit more evidence – instead of now offering your Constitutional analysis for something we haven’t figured a way to convict him of yet?
Reminder for Conservatives: your 2nd Amendment gun rights only survive in a constitutional system.
Dammit again Liz… you think conservatives don’t know the first thing we’re going to do when we control Washington is pass sweeping confiscation of all those semiautomatic handguns and rifles that Command Sergeant Major Tim Walz carried in war?
Now you’ve tipped them off and queered the whole spiel!
your A14S3 analysis has three fatal problems.
A14 and the reconstruction amendments are entirely about limiting the power of states – that is precisely why the Civil war was fought.
There was no insurrection – thousands of people did not storm the capitol with AR15’s.
Nor did they ask for anything they were not free to ask for – congress to refuse to certify a highly dubious election.
A14S3 grants power to Congress.
Rep. Raskin is free to try to invalidate Trump as president when he is elected – good luck with that.
There is nothing in A14S3 limiting the ability of someone to run for office. Only to hold office and arguably only after having been found actually guilty of insurrection.
I would further suggest that you look into the efforts to Try Jefferson Davis for insurrection after the civil war.
Those failed. If you can not legally get Jefferson Davis for insurrection – exactly how do you plan on getting Trump ?
“Under Section 3”
Gosh, Democrats are an ignorant bunch and our anonymous posters can’t keep up with them.
If you’re looking for brazen right wing lying, this blog is one the best.
If you’re looking for fatuous ignorance, read Anonymous.
Using “fatuous” is redundant. What you’re essentially saying is the writer is unaware of being unaware. “Unaware” covers it. It’s always interesting when uneducated right wing extremists try to get fancy with words in their attempt to imply, “I’m smart.”
Like you libtards who call Trump a “convicted felon”? Yea, thats right.
Felon….someone convicted of a felony.
Convicted Felon….spastic retard lefty phrase to make it sound more official or worse.
Or maybe they just like to diffferentiate between that and Biden, the un-convicted felon.
Thank you Prof Turley. I appreciate this very much. My dearest older friend said to me about Trump. “I like his policies but I wish he would stop talking”. She was there for me when I was sick. I think she is one who proves YOU right here.
WHAT policies? Tariffs that will kill the economy? How about a total abortion ban and ban on IVF? How about stupidly exempting Social Security from taxation that will deplete the Fund in 6 years’ time and guarantee that those who depend on it will see drastic cuts? How about abolishing the Department of Education and NOAA, bigger tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, school lunch programs and food stamps? How about pulling the US out of NATO and letting Russia “do whatever the hell it wants “? All good things to you?
Gigi The Pathological Serial Liar… How about a total abortion ban and ban on IVF?
There is absolutely nothing like that in either the GOP platform or Trump’s platform.
If there was – you’d be happily linking to it to make your point.
Instead of just coming here as an even dumber version of Cackles Harris to repeat her lie that’s Trump’s platform.
Gigenius, you ignorant POS, you have been told before that income tax DOES NOT FUND Social Security.
Why do you repeat these idiotic lies?
Do you think having fake electors is Constitutional?
How about asking the Governor of a state for 12,000 votes, just 12,000, no biggie?
How how about asking your VP to not accept ballots from states you lost in?
Yep, Mr. Constitution himself, DJT.
Give your mom back her phone and go clean your room.
* easy to say but those people drugged up, deluded and worse and set fires.
Stupid answer. Why not try addressing the substance of what was written?
* the lack of substance is there everyday droning on and on…
* ok, the substance is–> white men really aren’t the bogeyman. Many are good people.
The substance is —> I hate and fear white men.
There is no substance to your flatulence, meat head.
I believe the Democrats attempted that well before the 2020, why don’t you ask them?
When? Reference please.
1960 Kennedy/Nixon
Hawaii
Lol 😂 you’re a dummy. Does 14 000 fake ballots for Biden ring any bells?
Looks like McConnell is preparing for defeat…
In an understatement of the century McConnell says…
“two-term Republican President Ronald Reagan “wouldn’t recognize” the modern GOP in the wake of Trump’s ascendancy.”
The Republican Party died in September 2016. Good luck getting it back as long as trump is alive.
“Trump is appealing to people who haven’t been as successful as other people and providing an excuse for that, that these more successful people have somehow been cheated, and you don’t deserve to think of yourself as less successful because things haven’t been fair,”
https://www.alternet.org/mcconnell-trump-supporters/
Anonymous,
As you know, I generally make it a point to just scroll past your comments as they are not worth reading.
However, as I stated below, for the past two days I have taken random samplings for your content. Desperation.
But to your comment on McConnell and the Republican party, I have stated in the past, more than a few times, when a party no longer represents the views of its voters, either or any party, it is the right of the voters to choose a candidate or party that does. Old Republicans like McConnell, no longer represented the views of their voters. Voters are flocking to Trump’s MAGA. I have also stated the concept of MAGA has been around long before Trump came along. And it will still be there long after Trump is gone. People like McConnell need to go. So do people like Schummer and Pelosi.
Because whatever Mitch McConnell says is gospel truth. Like the most important issue for Americans is making sure Ukraine wins in a war that is half way around the world and has exactly nothing to do with our national interest.
You are so blind, you can’t see that McConnell is part of the uniparty, warmongering blob that gets rich from feeding and receiving from the military-industrial complex. Trump is a threat to all that corrupt money going to all those corrupt politicians. So of course all those corrupt politicians are going to tell lies and complete horsesh!t like what you just quoted.
How’d that Hitler-Sudetenland thing work out for us?
* McConnell body snatched
Alternet reality
All,
As many of you know, I generally make it a point to just scroll past all the anonymous comments, comments by those who come here to attack the good professor. But for the past two days I have taken random samplings of those just to see their content.
Comes down to one word, desperation.
They are desperate. Their candidate whom was polling worse than Biden before the Democrat soft coup and do recall that Biden was the man to beat Trump, is now doing badly in swing states, with black males, with Hispanics, with Jews, Christians and to a degree with the Muslim community. Her campaigning from the basement, with softball interviews, the one Fox interview were she got real questions, real push back, she got flustered, flubbed and quit the interview early. The recent CNN town hall has drawn criticism from even CNN, the NYT, Democrat strategists that the audience asked direct questions and Harris circled around them or gave “Word Salad City.”
I am not saying the mentioned above groups are going to vote for Trump but they may not vote for either or stay at home. Does not bode well for Harris.
How marvelous!
^^Upstate dipped his toes into the deplorables, how marvelous
Turley: everyone knows you sold whatever credibility you had to Fox, so only the MAGAs believe what you write. You left out a few details: let’s start with what Trump is–a chronic, habitual liar and convicted felon who also is a malignant narcissist, someone who has been adjudicated of assaulting and defaming a woman, stealing from a charitable foundation, falsifying business records to cover up payoffs to a nude model and porn actress and who is under indictment for stealing classified documents and starting an insurrection to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power when he couldn’t bully Pence or Secretaries of State to do illegal acts to keep him in power. You threw in the comment about Cohen being a “convicted felon”, but so is Trump and Cohen isn’t running for the US Presidency. Cohen did what he did for Trump’s benefit, just like Rudy Giuliani did–and they both ended up disbarred. Giuliani has lost many of his most-valuable possessions to the judgment in the defamation suit brought by Shay Moss and her mother by his false accusations that they were engaged in cheating in counting ballots–all done for Trump’s benefit.
How about what Trump has done: The Big Lie, started BEFORE Election Day in 2020, ginning up the gullibles to believe that he was going to win bigly and that the “only way” Biden could win would be with widespread cheating. There WAS NO widespread fraud or cheating, Trump lost over 60 lawsuits for lack of evidence, but did that satisfy him–NO! He still lies, and so does J. D. Vance AND most self-identified Republicans BELIEVE this lie–even though there is NO evidence and all evidence is to the contrary–which is why polls mean little to nothing when it comes to reality–we have never had a presidential candidate as dangerous to democracy as Trump.
Turley relies on a poll–but fails to disclose the margin of error–is the 3% difference within the margin of error? If it is, then the entire premise of today’s piece is flawed–that the “public isn’t buying” Trump as the bigger threat to democracy.
Turley speaks to “safeguards against authoritarian power”–uh, what are those “safeguards”, and WHY do you think they would stop Trump, who has promised to round up and jail his perceived enemies? Is Trump someone who honors the rule of law or courts? He insulted and defamed not only Judges in cases in which he has been involved, but their families too.
Do even you MAGAs believe Trump respects the rule of law or would abide by court rulings to prevent him from abusing power? Is anyone that gullible? He has promised to suspend the Constitution. Turley: you left out Trump’s recent comments in which he waxed nostalgic for the kind of generals Hitler had–YES, HITLER! Trump wants generals who won’t stand in his way, like Kelly, Milley and others who honored their oath to the Constitution and rule of law. You also left out the fact that he promises to populate the DOJ and FBI with syncophants who will take their marching orders from him, and failing to do so, will be fired. The same is true for all other federal agencies–their mission statements will be meaningless–they will exist to make Trump look good, to roll back consumer and environmental protections that big-money Trump donors don’t like, and to refuse to enforce existing protections. Trump has promised to use the DOJ and FBI to go after his enemies, including using the National Guard and military. He has named a couple of them–Pelosi and Adam Schiff. He has threatened to pull the FCC license of CBS for editing an interview with Harris—even though the edits were not substantive–just to streamline the feed for a promo, and an entire transcript of the interview was released; and against ABC, because it dared to fact-check him. Turley–it turns out that your employer has edited Trump blatherings to take out offensive and controversial things he said–these WERE substantive changes. Also, you left out the recent ruling by the Leonard Leo/Federalist Society SCOTUS judges who have ruled that Trump, as POTUS, has unprecedented power to do whatever the hell he wants so long as it is “official”. So, why couldn’t he carry out these threats? You say there are “safeguards”–what are they and why would they stop Trump? You don’t say because you know they wouldn’t stop him. The purpose of today’s piece is to make fun of those who warn about how dangerous to the democracy most of us hold dear Trump would be if he gets back into power.
Then, there’s the threat to round up “illegals”, detain them in concentration camps and deport them–would a court order stop Trump from doing this? Previously, he just helped himself to money from the budgets of Homeland Security and the military to build the wall and take other actions at the border–would he honor a court order commanding him to stop this, and would anyone working for the federal government obey a court order or an order from Trump?
Sorry, Turley, but those of us who aren’t MAGAs ARE afraid–as we all should be, because Trump has a boundless ego that seeks boundless power to do whatever he wants–along with a Republican Party that sold its soul to go along with him, and NO respect for the rule of law or Constitution.
* Gigeeek, that much hate is bad for your health. Do something joyful instead of spewing lies that betray your hatred for white men.
Best wishes
Where is the hate? I see factual representation of what trump has done and said.
You say nothing to disprove the post.
I am convinced there are a lot of fascists in the world. Sad, so sad. trump is the very definition of fascist. Look it up.
* Do you people have the hate Trump website where you glean your talking points that lack truth? Half truths and deceptions and have your amygdala checked for size. Your core belief is–> I hate , we hate, we all hate white men.
Get some therapy
What “talking points” did I list “that lack truth”? Accusing me of lying is NOT a substantive response–so provide a substantive response–point by point–or STFU.
My “core belief” is in American democracy–something that has always been worth fighting for. Our founders specifically rejected the idea of a king with unlimited power. They could never imagine a monster like Donald J. Trump–a malignant narcissist whose existence depends on attention, gradiosity, power and glory–a racist criminal who assaults women and constantly lies, who lies, cheats and steals. It would never have occurred to them that a major political party that used to stand for core conservative principles could ever endorse such a person–someone who tried to force Congress to allow him to keep power he cheated to get with the help of a hostile foreign government. Someone who sat idly by for over 3 hours while his supporters attacked the Capitol, smashed doors and windows, assaulted and battered police officers, and who desecrated the building by excreting their waste, while he watched it unfold, refusing pleas of staff and family to call off the violence, until it was clear that they failed to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
GiGi
Could you please shorten it up some with your posts? My scroll finger is getting sore as your posts are so long, it’s difficult trying to get past them. I think I may be getting arthritis from doing so. I already know all your talking points so I don’t have to read any of that. Is it true that you said you are a nurse and a lawyer?
Traveler WHY don’t you, Upstate Farmer, S, Meyer, Tom, Margot Ballhere and the other disciples cite some facts that disprove what I write instead of attacking me personally? I know that’s how Trump and MAGA media operate, but can’t you do better?
* Because Gigeeek eeeek it’s a waste of time. Get a happy hobby far far away from white men.
We do provide facts but your head is made of concrete. Here is a response from the recent past including snippets from your post. You ran away instead of responding to the facts.
” if Trump were in the White House that Hamas would have consulted him before attacking Israel, and failing getting such approval, would not have done it?”
Most likely because Israel was on the verge of a treaty with Saudi Arabia, and Trump demonstrated strength, not Biden’s weakness. If war broke out, it would have ended quickly because Trump wouldn’t have tied both Israel’s hands behind their backs. However, the war would never have started because Trump saw to it Iran was broke, preventing it from supplying the terrorists with weapons. That you are ignorant of these facts demonstrates how uninformed and crazy you are.
“Do you even know what Israel has done to the Palestinian people?”
Tell us. You can’t because you would have to mention that Israel supplied the Gazans with water, electricity, and other sorts of aid. The US, Europe and Iran supplied them with billions of dollars and weapons, almost all used to create weaponry to kill the Jews.
“–how they control every aspect of their lives, “
More ignorance. In 2005, Israel allowed Gaza to self-rule and forcibly ejected all Jews from Gaza. The Gazans thanked Israel, sending rockets and missiles across the border to kill civilians.
“routinely round up citizens and hold them in prison without charges,”
The charges were terrorism, you buffoon.
“how Israel moved 700,000 Israeli settlers into the West Bank”
How could Israel move 700,000 Arabs to the West Bank? Israel barely had enough manpower to win the war and create the state of Israel. The Grand Mufti told the Arabs to leave, which was probably lucky for Israel. Did you mention the 700,000-800,000 Jews forced to leave their homes, forgoing all their property or be killed? What type of ignorant fool are you? Everything I said is documented.
By the way, do you not know about the Grand Mufti’s agreement with Hitler to exterminate the Jews? I can’t, with good conscience, call you an anti-Semite because you are too ignorant to understand how stupid you are.
“, which is Palestinian territory? “
There were no Palestinian people, you fool. That was a Cold War tool used by the Russians to create an entrance for them in the Middle East. Check out any reasonable history book. Can you read?
“Do you not understand that the reason Hamas attacked Israel is because of endless abuses like these that have gone on for decades?”
Who attacked who? Hamas attacked Israel from the start, and most of the time, Israel didn’t respond. Read the Hamas Constitution. Essentially, it calls for genocide, the killing of all Jews in Israel.
“, including refusing to consider allowing the Palestinian people to have their own government?”
Do you know what Hamas is? It is a terrorist organization voted in by the people of Gaza. They even attacked and killed members of the PLO—enough of your stupidity. Try opening a book and disputing any facts I wrote that are documented in most countries, if not all.
Traveler WHY don’t you, Upstate Farmer, S, Meyer, Tom, Margot Ballhere and the other disciples cite some facts that disprove what I write instead of attacking me personally?
Why don’t you stop lying your Bolshevik Bytch ass off? Or get your other commie culls to help you find in Trump’s election campaign where he says he’s going to make abortions (oh, and IVF) illegal.
You’ve been repeating the Harris/Biden/Democrat lie that Trump is going to ban abortions and IVF for months now. And every time you claim that, a bunch of other people call you a pathological liar.
If it upsets you being properly called out as a psychopathic liar, all you have to do to put an end to that is this:
Tell everybody where in Trump’s platform you found Trump making promises to ban abortion and IVF.
There’s 20 points/promises in his 2024 platform. Here, let me help you find it to help you find what you need to show you aren’t a skanky liar: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform/
Where is it Gigi? Hidden somewhere? Or are you pulling a Harris and writing your version of his platform for him?
BTW, one way to put an end to being called a liar here is to quit coming here just to lie and spew hate at Professor Turley.
I cited facts many times and you CONTINUE to lie.
IT is a FACT that income taxes DO NOT FUND Social Security, yet you keep repeating the lie that it will deplete the fund. That is a LIE and you are a pathological LIAR.
Accusing me of lying is NOT a substantive response–so provide a substantive response–point by point–or STFU.
STFU??? Let’s try this: you get your lying, stinking commie diseased snatch of yours out of Professor Turley’s blog if you can’t at least rein in your hate of Professor Turley, your host here.
The stench fouls the air almost as much as your unending pathological lies do.
Gigi/Anonymous… you’ve posted nothing to legitimize the lies and hate.
But tell everybody how paying Russian spies to write a fake novel about Trump-Russia, and then sending your top STASI to lie to judges that your fictional dossier is real so those STASI can try and find a way to fix the election for your successor isn’t fascism.
Look it up, Gigi/Anonymous.
Gigenius
Why did you lie on this blog and claim you are both a lawyer and a nurse?
Natasha,
I generally make it a point to just scroll past your comments as they are not worth reading.
Today, as I noted earlier, I have read some comments I would just scroll past. But I could not get past a few lines of yours. Mostly the usual lies, regurgitated MSM/DNC talking points. The usual eye-rolling blather.
However, as I have noted with others comments, your comment is one of desperation. Harris is losing. Trump is winning. Reading your desperation warms my heart and brings a smile to my face.
Thank you! 🙂
Upstate, virtue signal much?
Turley: everyone knows you sold whatever credibility you had to Fox, so only the MAGAs believe what you write.
You come here parroting CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS lies… assuming ANYBODY other than ONE person here thinks you have credibility?
Gigi, Fire Hose Of Democrat Lies: as nobody here believes a Biden/Harris/CNN liar like yourself, why are you here? You hate Professor Turley for outing you as much as you hate Trump for standing in the way of your Maoist Great Leap Forward, so why come back every single day?
You’re obligated to be here to seve as Dennis McIntyre’s emotional support skank?
Sorry, Turley, but those of us who aren’t MAGAs ARE afraid
This should be a relief Gigi: Trump isn’t going to ban elective birth control abortions.
Meaning you won’t have to worry about taxpayers continuing to foot the bill for the three or four elective birth control abortions every year that you’ve been getting since your fun as a boy toy got complicated by those ovaries ripening.
Former Mike Pence chief of staff is calling out John Kelley for making shit up. “‘This unequivocally did not happen. Full stop – This is only being espoused because John Kelly’s candidate is losing badly.”
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1849535424173064257
OldManFromKS,
Ahhh, yes. The smell of desperation in the air. I expect more wild and crazy to come out of the anti-Trumpers.
Just the other day, anti-Trumpers claimed legal immigrants were eating people’s pets.
I find Trump tweets annoying as is his habit to ad lib and put his foot in his mouth at his rallies and give the left opportunities to misquote him. His official acts speak for themselves as effective and beneficial. I wish he would hire better people and end his love affair with Generals who stab him in the back. He tends to speak to unworthy appointees as if he were in confidence with people who don’t deserve it. If Joe Manchin were heading the Dem ticket, they would be providing a choice, but I could never see myself voting for Que Mala Harris. A scary question: if God forfend the elected POTUS were to die in office, who would any thinking person want to succeed to the office Tim Walz or JD Vance/
Robert A Van Buhler,
That is a good question. We also have to consider Vance could/would be the Republican candidate in 2028. Not so sure if by some miracle/cheating Harris were to win two terms and Walz would be the Democrat candidate. Regardless, I think Trump and the Republican party need to set up not only a successful Trump admin but for Vance as the candidate in 2028.
As of now, who does the Democrats have waiting in the wings for a 2028 run? Newsome? AOC? Whom else??
who does the Democrats have waiting in the wings for a 2028 run? Newsome? AOC?
I predict AOC. And I predict she’ll win. Not that I want that (it’s the last thing I want), but just given the state of the American electorate and the Tik-Tok-ization of our youth. Right now there are enough swing voters who see how bad Biden has made things. But AOC would lack a nationwide track record.
Prepare for “Madame President AOC.” Hopefully it won’t happen but we need to be prepared.
U F — Tulsi Gabbard is joining the Republican Party. Let’s not forget her.
* If Harris wins Walz be taken out on criminal charges. After that Harris will be impeached. The repubs are winning both houses. Speaker becomes president. That’s the play
* contemporaneous events.
Robert: “the left” does not need to “misquote” Trump–give ONE example in which he was “misquoted”. The unbelievable things he says are bad enough. What do you think other world leaders think when they hear him discussing Arnold Palmer’s penis, or saying that Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating people’s pets? What are his “effective and beneficial offical acts”? Taking money from the defense and Homeland Security budgets to do things Congress didn’t approve? How about his tariffs? Name something. Why didn’t Mexico pay to build the “big, beautiful wall”, like he promised and why don’t MAGAs hold him accountable for lying about this?
How is General Kelly pointing out that Trump called military members “suckers and losers” and his observation from working with Trump of his stupdity, lack of patriotism and authoritarian tendencies “stabbing him in the back”? Gen. Kelly’s oath is to the Constitution–not the ego of Trump. All of the generals who worked under Trump are higher-quality people than he is–you really can’t defend him, his criminal record, his abuse of women, his abuse of power and the threats he poses to democracy.
Gigenius, high quality person,
Why did you lie on this blog and claim you are both a lawyer and a nurse?
Gigenius, high quality lawyer,
Why did you lie on this blog and claim that the 12th amendment prohibits the Pres and VP from being from the same state?
Here is the 12th amendment. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/
What the fvck is tht for Genius? (We know its you, Gigi).
Are you trying to agree with her stupid ass?
Gigenius, high quality person,
Why did you lie on this blog and claim that Texas makes electricity from crude oil?
Gigenius, high quality nurse,
Why did you demonstrate on this blog that you dont know the various meanings of the word “spastic”?
Gigenius, high quality person,
Why did you lie on this blog and claim that the interest rate when Trump left office was 9%?
*inflation rate
Gigenius, high quality person,
Why did you lie on this blog and claim that you never said that the inflation rate when Trump left office was 9%
* Did you even know there were 20 000 haitians dropped in Springfield or they had run over and killed 2 people BEFORE Trump said anything about pets and heard on public media, the news? DID YOU CARE AT ALL? Pretty good trick to hit you between the eyes with a 2×4 AND THEN all you cared about were haitians and NOT 2 dead people who’d be alive and well but for a dumb-arse illegal policy?
Get some help and go back to your I hate white men site.
Robert: “the left” does not need to “misquote” Trump–give ONE example in which he was “misquoted”.
Gigi: here’s my gift to you providing the example you demanded. You’ll recognize it: it’s one of your most favorite commie/”the left” lies created by”misquoting” Trump:
“Trump said neo-Nazis were very fine people”. Recognize that Gigi? You should; you’ve parroted it often enough.
Here’s your lefty besties at Snopes – not me – calling you AND HARRIS liars for continuing to repeat that lie:
No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists ‘Very Fine People’
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were “very fine people on both sides,” referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn’t talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be “condemned totally.”
You’re not only a serial, pychopathic liar Gigi, Fire Hose Of Biden/Harris Lies – you’re a pathetically inept liar.
BTW Gigi… it’s Biden, Harris and YOU that have become the party that welcomes very fine anti-Semitic neo-Nazi people. Welcoming not only the Anti-Semitic Socialist Sisterhood into your party as House members, but also providing a home to the anti-Semitic genocidal Hamas terrorist support group, the New Hitler Youth Movement.
How is General Kelly pointing out that Trump called military members “suckers and losers”… Gen. Kelly’s oath is to the Constitution–not the ego of Trump.
For starters, General Kelly never came up with that lie until AFTER Trump fired him after administration staff said Kelly acted like he was the President and Trump was just there as a figurehead.
You want us to believe as you do that a “high quality Marine general” like you claim General Kelly is, would have continued working as Trump’s chief of staff if he had actually heard Trump call his fellow Marines buried in that cemetery suckers and losers. Some Marine. Some high quality Marine general…
Second, Kelly is a pathetic, dishonorable backstabbing coward who violated his oath to the Constitution and to comply with the USCMJ which prohibits and makes it an offense for officers like Kelly, Mattis, etc. to make disparaging remarks about the President:
USCMJ. ARTICLE 88. Contempt toward Officials
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
But hey… if John Kelly will violate his oath as an officer to serve and behave as the UCMJ requires him to and lies about Trump, you’ll offer him a free hummer and trip around the world to show your gratitude. “Gigi love you long time, Marine John Kelly!”
NOBODY there with Trump and Kelly the day that trip was cancelled due to weather that made flying impossible supported General Kelly’s lie.
You only have Kelly’s unsubstantiated word that Trump said that – which is worth about as much as the oath he swore to comply with the UCMJ that he violated.
Fifteen people who were present that day have said Kelly is lying. Those 15 denying Kelly’s lie includes not only John Bolton who hates Trump as much as you do, but also General Kelly’s own aid:
US Ambassador to France says Trump never disparaged American war dead
https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/us-ambassador-to-france-says-trump-never-called-war-veterans-losers/
McCourt was present in 2018 on the day Trump had to call off a trip to the Belleau Wood cemetery because of inclement weather. She denied speaking to The Atlantic, which claimed in it’s allegations of speaking with “four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day.” Several other US officials have defended the president, including Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Wilkie, former national security adviser John Bolton and Zach Fuentes, top aide to former White House chief of staff John Kelly.
John Bolton denies claim that Trump called fallen American soldiers ‘losers’
https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/john-bolton-denies-claim-that-trump-called-fallen-soldiers-losers/
Bolton, who turned from friend to foe of the commander-in-chief after leaving the White House, said that the allegations were “simply false. According to what that article said, the president made disparaging remarks about soldiers and people buried in the cemetery in connection with the decision for him not to go to the ceremony that was planned that afternoon, and that was simply false,” Bolton told the network. “The main issue was whether or not weather conditions permitted the president to go out to the cemetery,”
According to Bolton, Trump was advised by then-chief of staff John Kelly that there were “logistical reasons why the trip couldn’t take place and the president assented to the recommendation that he not go.”
In response, Trump “sort of took the facts as they were,” going on to describe the cancellation as a “very straight weather call.”Bolton added.
Imagine that Gigi! It was Gigi’s Favorite Fellow Liar Of The Day who told Trump he couldn’t visit that cemetery due to weather…
Gigi, can you ask CNN and Mam-a-la Harris to replace you with a better and more stimulating liar and demagogue? Your shyte is getting so old…
The Election Choice is Crystal Clear: Liberty (Republican) or Tyranny (Democrat). Top of the Ticket; AND down-ballot. Daniel Henninger clearly differentiates the choices in today’s WSJ column, “Democrats Run a Bait-and-Switch:”
“The post-filibuster legislative game plan has been in the works for years. Mr. Obama in a 2020 speech said a priority with a simple majority vote would be statehood for the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. Adding four virtually permanent Democratic Senate seats with the wave of a filibuster-free wand would likely guarantee party control over the U.S. judiciary at every level, debt-be-damned federal spending, Medicare for all and lowering the voting age to 16.
These matters will be decided on Nov. 5.”
It’s almost as though the culprits that know they have the most to fear from a DNC-DOJ decoupling are trying to get out in front of the reckoning that is striding along after them like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park…
“See?” they cry out from behind the Lexan windows of their Epstein-proof cells, “I told you this would happen!”
Objects In Mirror May Be Closer Than They Appear
Many of the same figures claiming that democracy is at stake supported ballot cleansing to remove Trump and others from the ballots. They supported the weaponization of the legal process in New York against Trump.
Ballot cleansing and lawfare are anti-democratic. Notably, it was only Democrats that tried in multiple states to remove the opposing party’s nominee from the ballot. So is importing tens of millions of non-citizens and trying to get as many of them as possible to vote. So is trying to assassinate the nominee of the party you oppose. So is any number of other actions by the same people, such as preventing poll watchers from being close enough to catch any shenanigans during vote-counting (Philadelphia 2020), or the broken printers in Maricopa County in 2022.
To be brief, the party crying that Trump is a “threat to democracy” is the very party engaging in all of this anti-democratic conduct.
One good sign: the hysteria with which they are now pushing ridiculous claims, as detained in Professor Turley’s article, means that their internal polling – the polling they trust – is telling them they in a heap o’ trouble.
* Trump is a regular American. The only thing any Americans would frown at are 3 marriages. Americans by majority are conservative. Obama would never have been elected to anything. Clinton would have resigned. Biden cheated.
Witness and testimony
Obama didn’t forcibly insert his fingers into the vaginas of women the way Trump did.
Sure he did.
You’re just quoting the crap desperate people come up with. Newsflash: it won’t work.
“I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.” — Donald Trump
No, he just snorted coke and played sucky sucky with Larry Sinclair. Polygraphed and sworn affidavit. Bathhouse Barry.
* men’s butts?
Obama didn’t forcibly insert his fingers into the vaginas of women the way Trump did.
Got your names crossed up. Obama just had the serial rapist and pedophile Harvey Weinstein as an open door White House guest to play with and amuse his daughters.
The actual digital rapist president you’re referring to was President Daddy-Daughter Inappropriate Incest Showers, Joe Biden. Chances are you Anonymously voted for him every time you had the chance.
‘He Penetrated Me With His Fingers’: Joe Biden Accused of Sexual Assault
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/he-penetrated-me-with-his-fingers-joe-biden-accused-of-sexual-assault/
Democratic Party presidential candidate Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault by one of his former Senate staff assistants. According to the victim, Tara Reide, Biden forcibly penetrated her against her will with his fingers in Washington, D.C. in 1993.
Reade is an addition to the eight women who previously accused Biden of sexual assault and inappropriate touching in early 2019. Former Nevada State senator Lucy Flores sparked that raft of accusations, but the concerns were dismissed by the Biden campaign.
New Evidence From 1993 Corroborates Tara Reade’s Sexual Assault Claim Against Joe Biden (TRANSCRIPT)
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/24/new-evidence-tara-reade-joe-biden/
There’s a billionaire Democrat donor who’s been offering a cool $10 MILLION bounty to any woman who can make that claim about Trump accompanied with proof to back it up. There’s no way that shiftless Democrat Welfare Queens who had that happen to them would turn down $10 million dollars without even having to give a single Harris Blowjob to get that money.
The reward is still unclaimed… get me one of the names who can provide evidence rather than just an accusations and we’ll split the reward. I don’t care so much about Trump being president that I’ll turn down an easy $5 million dollars for getting your victim to the billionaire offering the $10 million bounty.
What a short 16 year voyage we’ve been on in politics!
Obama campaigned on the lie of appealing to Americans on Hope And Change, a president for all Americans. Winning again in 2012 on hope in change while admitting ‘we got a shellacking’.
Today Biden/Harris work with Obama to campaign on the lies of “threat to democracy” on engineering fear, not hope and change.
And now Trump has become the candidate of hope and change after four years of Biden/Harris delivering Obama’s Third Term.
(of course, Trump is a recovering Democrat, there is that)
In the clips I’ve seen of Obama on the campaign trail, he looks frustrated, forlorn, and angry. He has lost his spark. If I had to guess why: he knows the reckoning is near.
of course, Trump is a recovering Democrat, there is that
So is Tulsi. She was fabulous at Trump’s recent North Carolina rally, where she announced she’s now an R (and was dressed all in red for the occasion). That was one of the bright shining moments in the 2024 campaign, IMHO.
Tulsi announced she’s an R…………..as in Russian Asset. When most Americans see an R behind republicans names these days, and the way they act, most know it means Russia.
Fishstick, if that were the case, why did recent Congressional investigations find Iran, China, Russia and Venezuela funneling money to Democrat campaign apparatus ActBlue? As to the rest of your assertion, it is delusional with no evidence or backing. Just goes how desperate you are.
Fishstick, how does a Republican act like a Russian? Last time I checked, Russians want only state media. Russians lock up their political opponents like Democrats have done and are actively trying to do.
Credible reports now indicate that Ka’Mao’La Harris is under the direct influence of a Russian agency (Smirnoff) – she keeps repeating their encoded talking points – “let me be very clear…”
“Most Americans” ARE Republican or right leaning independents. Fact.
Fishfarts STILL thinks he is in majority.
Then why did Hilary and Biden get more of the popular vote?
FishAnus, every time we hear a Democrat commie like you mention “Russia”, we remember that it was Obama/Biden/Clinton that first gave Putin his Big Red Reset Button, a no-cost invasion of Ukraine, and then illegally paid one of his FSB spies to write their “Trump Russia Dossier” election campaign fraud.
oldmanfromkansas says: So is Tulsi. She was fabulous at Trump’s recent North Carolina rally, where she announced she’s now an R (and was dressed all in red for the occasion). That was one of the bright shining moments in the 2024 campaign, IMHO.
I should have mentioned that Obama/Biden abandoned “Hope And Change For All Americans” after they were safe after reelection by launching the Democrat Threat To Democracy (a republic):
1. “If the Legislative Branch won’t pass the laws I and Biden want, I have my phone and my pen to get what we want and I know how to use them”.
2. The “Trump’s a threat!” accompanied by the commissioning and paying for the “Trump Russia Dossier” and sending their Attorney Generals and FBI Directors to be a Threat To Democracy by perjuring themselves to FISA courts and judges – in order to be police state fascists, attempting to take out Trump.
They had to use their Attorney Generals and FBI Directors in 2016 instead of Jack Smith again. Smith was far too toxic during and after 2016 campaign after SCOTUS had just thrown out his prosecution and conviction of Governor McDonnell in the 2012 election, naming Jack Smith “a threat to our separation of powers”.
And if Trump weren’t their excuse for savaging instead of saving “our democracy” they claim they’re protecting, whoever were the Republican candidate instead would get the same treatment.
Primary example: in 2012, how Obama/Biden/Lisa Monaco/Jack Smith took out their most feared potential Republican candidate for being reelected, Governor Bob McDonnell.
What’s really amusing is how Obama and wife Michelle have abandoned their “hope and change” and “we go higher” appeal, once they got what they wanted. I watched about five minutes of Obama lashing out against Trump at a rally in (I think) Detroit? Never expected that kind of talk from him. And Michelle, the same. This article from Left-leaning Politico addresses how she abandoned her “we go higher” speech to trash Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/21/michelle-obama-dnc-speech-chicago-2024-00175324
* no, she said we GET higher. (Token the weed, the blunt)
Engineering fear… a great political strategy. Engineering insanity.
Tucker spits fire. Worth watching (two and a half minutes)
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1849247394233270653
Absolutely spot on! Thank you for sharing that oldman.
While Obama (for Kamala) was trashing Americans, particularly black Americans, Tucker is speaking of America’s tolerance and goodness. Who should we vote for? Those who hate America or those who love it.
OldManFromKS,
That was great!
Glad you, Olly, and Meyer liked it. More of those are linked at the following conservative news aggregator:
http://www.citizenfreepress.com
Not mentioned are the many who have said similar things. Milley, Pence, Mattis, Kelley, Bolton, Mathews, Esper, Barr etc. etc. Are they without credibility?
Correct. For the most part, these people are without credibility.
*in fact, I believe Washington D.C., its suburbs and their surrogates in the media .. . are entirely out of control.
Fired ex employees have very little credibility.
Whatever Trump says, huh lil’ moron.
“Not mentioned are the many who have said similar things. Milley, Pence, Mattis, Kelley, Bolton, Mathews, Esper, Barr etc. etc. Are they without credibility?”
Asked by an idiot who held these very people in low regard until now. LMAO.
And who hired these “idiots?” If you have to fire practically everybody you hire, maybe you shouldn’t be put in a position to hire people.
Hopefully, he has learned his lesson .. . look what happened to Joe Biden!
I have fired more people than have stuck at my companies.
How many people have you hired, nincompoop?
Better question, how many people QUIT Kamala.
I have had 2 employees quit me in 20 years. Both because they moved out of state.
Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to vote.
If you have to fire practically everybody you hire, maybe you shouldn’t be put in a position to hire people.
Any comments on leadership when 92% of your staff quit – not fired – rather than continuing to work for a boss they know is an idiot?
A Kamala Harris staff exodus reignites questions about her leadership style — and her future ambitions
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/a-kamala-harris-staff-exodus-reignites-questions-about-her-leadership-style-and-her-future-ambitions/
The rumors started circulating in July: Vice President Kamala Harris’ staff was wilting in a dysfunctional and frustrated office, burned out just a few months after her historic swearing-in and desperately looking for exit strategies
Perhaps fear will inspire a few undecided voters, but, more importantly, the Trump-as-Hitler routine gives tacit permission to assassination and milder forms of obstruction: frivolous lawsuits, challenges to electors, lawless protests and riots, fraudulent vote-counting. . If I were that election official entrusted with collecting, counting, and preserving ballots, how would I proceed when I saw myself capable of saving my country from fascism? The Left is preparing itself to outdo Trump’s challenge to Biden’s election in 2020.
Even if Trump sweeps the board on November 5, Joe Biden will still be President until January 20, and Merrick Garland will be his Attorney General acting under color of law.
After last nights disaster of the CNN town hall, of course the DNC is pushing the fear factor to twelve!!! It is all they have!
I watched the CNN Town Hall.
Kamala Harris is the most inauthentic person to run for president in my lifetime. She is the perfect example of someone who has lived in a liberal bubble her entire life and has never met a real person.
— Sean Southard (@SeanSouthardKY) October 24, 2024
Voters asked direct question. Harris gave circular answers.”
–NYT
“What I’m hearing from people who I’ve been talking to … if her goal was to close the deal, they’re not sure she did that.”
— Dana Bash
“The things that would concern me is when she doesn’t want to answer a question, her habit is to kind of go to Word Salad City.”
— David Alexrod
CNN’s Anderson Cooper grills Kamala Harris for now supporting giving money to build the border wall after she repeatedly attacked Trump for wanting to build a wall
Harris struggles significantly here and now calls the border wall “a good idea” pic.twitter.com/wshe6f4m1a
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) October 24, 2024
Kamala bombed during her CNN Town Hall. It was an embarrassment of epic proportions. Listen to her answer here about “a mistake and lesson learned.” It might be the worst… pic.twitter.com/UdzlRRcWG1
— Candace (@roycan79) October 24, 2024
Kamala’s CNN Town Hall was an unmitigated disaster.
Even CNN anchor Jake Tapper admits that Kamala failed to answer any questions and directed everything towards hating Trump.
And anchor Dana Bash admits Kamala’s performance did not “close the deal”.
The campaign is lifeless. pic.twitter.com/MuloDhvCXa
— Clandestine (@WarClandestine) October 24, 2024
Upstate-
Normally those people you quote would have been gilding the poop and praising her performance.
I listened to a podcast making the point that these folks realize how bad she is and are rushing now to criticize her so that they can pretend to have known it all along and been objective when they are looking for talking head jobs in the next election. Could be.
Young,
Right? Her performance was just that bad. It can no longer be denied, covered up or sugar coated. They are going to lose. They cannot run on anything but smearing Trump and fear but as more than a few pollsters have noted, Harris cannot run and win on smearing Trump and fear.
* They can stuff ballot boxes. Motor voters
* Hating Trump is their strong suit. Hating the white man is a strong suit in the campaign. It eclipses murder, poverty, hunger etc. That’s how much they hate.
* it’s fear based… one of the most horrible things said was by Biden–> they’re going to put you back in chains.
Can’t top that EVAH!
Hilarious. To claim Trump is authentic means you’re either high on crack, low IQ or you’re lying.
Low IQ liar, hi on crack ^^^
I thought about my immediate internal response when the ‘Trump and Hitler and Trump and some woman” allegations popped out in the media.
Then I realized that the MSM and experts and their stooges have lied so relentlessly and so long about President Trump that even if they stumbled on something that was true, I would never believe it.
Trump won the last election and if he had been sworn in as president we wouldn’t be in the hell of a mess that we and the world are in now.
Trump did not win in 2020 and there’s not a shred of evidence demonstrating it, which is why you utterly fail to produce any. It doesn’t exist.
You’re right. There is a lot of evidence that Trump lost.
21% inflation
8% mortgage rates
10 million + illegals
Dozens of women and girls raped and murdered
Wars in middle east and eastern europe
Iran operating with impunity
China operating with impunity
Crime actually up, not down.
Military, law enforcement, and border patrol severely understaffed and failing recruiting goals.
All the reasons he wont lose this time, no matter how much you cheat.