Below is my column in The Hill on the growing distemper on the left after the loss of both houses and the White House in this election. In Pennsylvania, the politics of despair has stripped away all principle and pretense. There is a concerted effort to reelect Sen. Bob Casey by any means necessary. Even the Washington Post is now criticizing the effort.
Here is the column:
“People violate laws any time they want.”
Those words, shrugging off an alleged unlawful move last week, did not come from some Chicago gangbanger or Washington car thief. Those words of wisdom came from Democrat Commissioner Diane Marseglia in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.
They came in response to the fact that the Democratic majority on the election commission had decided to ignore a binding state Supreme Court ruling in an attempt to engineer the election of Democratic incumbent Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.).
Rather than prompting a degree of introspection, the loss of both houses of Congress and the White House has had a curious effect on many Democrats, dropping any pretense of protecting democracy over partisanship.
Despite polls showing that the public trusted former president Donald Trump more than Vice President Harris in combatting threats to democracy, Democrats made “saving democracy” the thrust of this election.
The polls reflected a certain common sense of the public when harangued with predictions from President Biden, Harris and a host of politicians and pundits that this would likely be our last election. Few believed that after over two centuries as the most stable and successful democracy in history, all three branches would collapse in unison and embrace dictatorship. Even fewer believed the predictions of the rounding up of homosexuals, journalists and political critics for camps in what some described as an American Third Reich.
American voters are not chumps and what they saw were strikingly anti-democratic positions from those claiming to be the defenders of democracy, including:
• Seeking to strip Trump from ballots under an unfounded theory rejected unanimously by the Supreme Court.
• Fighting to block opponents of Biden from ballots in the primary and general elections.
• Suing to keep Robert F. Kennedy on ballots after his withdrawal in swing states, in order to confuse voters and reduce the vote for Trump.
• Calling for blocking dozens of incumbent GOP officials and legislators from ballots as “insurrectionists.”
• “Protecting democracy” through the most extensive censorship in history and the blacklisting of opponents.
• Engaging in open and raw lawfare in the prosecutions of Trump in places like New York.
Each of these efforts ultimately failed to stop Trump and was opposed by a majority of voters even before the election. So now, Democrats are dropping the pretense for open partisanship.
That was evident in Bucks County, when a motion arose to reject a challenge to count provisional ballots, including undated or invalidly dated mail ballots.
It should have been easy. To its credit, the majority-Democratic Pennsylvania Supreme Court had already refused a Democratic push to change the rules shortly before the election and to ignore the plain language of the election laws.
In ordering the rejection of ballots without dates, Justice Kevin Doughtery (joined by Chief Justice Debra Todd) wrote a concurrence declaring “This Court will neither impose nor countenance substantial alterations to existing laws and procedures during the pendency of an ongoing election.’ We said those carefully chosen words only weeks ago. Yet they apparently were not heard in the Commonwealth Court, the very court where the bulk of election litigation unfolds.”
It is apparently still not being heard. In the Bucks County hearing, Marseglia spoke as she and Democratic Board chairman Robert Harvie, Jr., dismissed the earlier rulings in order to accept ballots without required signatures or mandatory dates. She declared that she would not second the motion to enforce the rulings “mostly because I think we all know that precedent by a court doesn’t matter anymore in this country and people violate laws any time they want. So, for me, if I violate this law, it’s because I want a court to pay attention to it.”
That was a lot of words to say that she does not really seem to care if this is lawful. For his part, Casey has shown the same abandon as he clings to his Senate seat at any cost.
That cost, in this case, was an alliance with Marc Elias, the controversial Democratic lawyer at the center of the infamous Steele Dossier scandal. Elias has been sanctioned in court and criticized for his work to flip elections. He is known for baselessly blaming voting machine errors for electing Republicans and pushing gerrymandering plans rejected by the courts as anti-democratic.
Casey is unlikely to change the result without counting defective or challenged ballots. Fortunately, law and precedent “does matter in this country.” There are still officials who can transcend their political preferences to maintain the rule of law. After the last presidential election, many Trump appointees ruled against the former president, and many Democratic judges rejected the effort to strip Trump from ballots.
That does not mean that Democrats who value the weaponization of law will not continue to embrace lawfare warriors like New York Attorney General Letitia James (D).
Others will use the rage of these times as a license to ignore legal and ethical obligations altogether. They are arguably the saddest manifestation of our political discord. They are people who have not just lost faith in our system but in themselves. They have become untethered from any defining principle for their own conduct. This election has left them adrift in a sea of moral and legal relativism, with only their rage as a following wind. They cling to that rage as reason vanishes like a distant shore.
For the rest of us, there is work to be done as a nation committed to the rule of law. We cannot win at any cost when that cost is the very thing that defines us.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
Horsewhip them, tar and feather them all, then bend them over a barrel and ramrod them silly. They maybe they will see the light.
Will We See A Kinder and Gentler Gigi??? (and fishwings, and Dumba$$ McIntyre)
Joe Goebbels, IIRC, said that for propaganda to be successful, it needs to be believable. (See link below for interesting similarities between the Legacy Media and Goebbels’s principles.)
So, with Mourning Joe’s and Mika’s pilgrimage to Mar-a-Lago, I wonder if we are seeing the beginnings of a different propaganda campaign against Trump, one with less “Trump is Hitler!” over-the-top hyperbole, and more subtlety? Because that clearly did not work. Because the Legacy Media can no longer operate in the dark. Alternative media has shown a light on them, and the main stream media has nearly zero credibility. If so, that re-marshalling should result in a change in the messaging from our resident blog trolls from the DNC.
https://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/Propaganda/goebbels.html
Add to my above comment, this – about the “New Approach”
PA Supreme Court orders these wayward election boards to stop their lawless behavior.
https://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2024/11/18/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rejects-dem-effort-to-count-illegal-ballots/
Note: the court has 5 dems and 2 republicans . Two of the dems voted with the two republicans for a 4-3 vote on this ruling
Make them personally liable for all costs x 3 as associated with disregard to their lawful order. Further, assure them their efforts shall remain unlawful and resulrs disregarded with full investigation and canvassing of all suspect ballots.
* Were those State or Federal ballots? Huge crime. Merrick Garland is jumping on election interference right now!
Here’s the order:
https://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/136MM2024pco%20-%20106152930288600382.pdf?cb=1
I love this…
“Oklahoma Superintendent Prays for Trump in Video He’s Requiring for Students”
It’s about time we mandate everybody bow the knee for trump. At least this is a start, kids bowing their knee. After January 21 we can mandate every federal worker upon arriving at work bow down, kiss the ground and say I love trump.
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/oklahoma-superintendent-prays-for-trump-in-video-hes-requiring-for-students/2024/11
So, saying, “I pray for President Donald Trump and his team” is the same thing as forcing students to pray or forcing them to worship Trump? You should have paid attention during logic class . . . that and reading comprehension class.
P.S. Your knuckles are turning white as you clutch your pearls ever harder.
Are you really that sick? Hard to believe you can’t see this is not right.
I have no doubt, none, that if this was done for Biden you would have a cow. NONE.
You all have drank the koolaid. When he deports all the immigrants and dairy prices soar perhaps then you will see how nuts this guy is? Nope, I doubt it, you have all drank the koolaid and will no doubt be lining up to serve as guards in his extermination camps. Don’t laugh, That is exactly how it turned out in Germany. Exactly.
He said he was praying for Trump and his team. He never said anyone else had to. Sorry I just don’t see that as the end of the world.
There are two POSSIBLE very small problems with the conduct of the OK sec. ed.
First – we do not know the powers delegated to the OK Sec. Ed – so we do not know if he can mandate viewing.
That has NOTHING to do with religion – just the powers of the OK dept education – regardless this would be a tempest in a teapot.
The second is that SCOTUS’s line regarding school prayer is that while public officials can pray, they can not mandate prayer and they can not even ask for voluntary prayer,
they can only make the opportunity for it.
But lets say the OK Sec. Ed overstepped – it would STILL be a “tempest in a teapot”.
This is close to the opposite of Guards in an extermination camp.
You all have drank the koolaid.
Says the Official Democrat Birthing Person who now believes he/it can menstruate and get pregnant.
Same Marxist Useful Idiot that guzzled the Trump Russia Dossier for four years.
Same Marxist Useful Idiot that believes the Biden laptop is just Putin election campaign disinformation.
Oh… and of course: believes to the center of it’s very black soul that Trump actually IS Hitler.
What exactly is it that you think it “not rigjht” ?
Government officials can pray publicly – for whatever they want including the success of a president or government – it occurs every day in congress.
The thrust of the mandated video is informing OK schools students of their rights of religious freedom in OK – which is ALSO perfectly legal.
There are TWO portions of the First amendment regarding religion – the FIRST is that government absolutely can not interfere in the PRACTICE of religion within the US.
The second is that government absolutely can not advance the ESTABLISHMENT of any specific religion.
There are some areas of interplay between those two requirements that SCOTUS has resolved.
Those in government can pray. Students can pray. They can pray for pretty much whatever they want – including the success of government and leaders.
But government can not MANDATE prayer. it can allow th e opportunity for prayer, but it can not suggest that oportunity is for prayer.
I think SCOTUS got that wrong. But it is a relatively close issue.
But you have NOT demonstrated that the OK sec ed is on the wrong side of that issue.
SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY found that the establishment clause does NOT require that religion is barred from public life – mandating the absence of religion ALSO violates the establishment clause. The absence of religion is itself religion, and worse it is interference in the practice of religion.
If this is your idea of some egregious conduct by those on the right or Trump supporters – you are a barkjing mad loon.
Is this your idea of totalitarianism ? Of Fascism ?
That you might be required to respect the religious freedoms of others ?
You’re the one who’s really sick. And remember where the phrase “drink the kool aid” comes from: Jim Jones, prominent and well-connected DEMOCRAT PARTY activist. Your entire party went to bat to protect him, until he murdered all those people, because he was one of yours.
How do we get from the OK sec of Ed praying for Trump much as the house and senate open each session with a prayer,
to guards in extermination camps ?
You are the one who is OBVIOUSLY over the top full bull moose goon loony.
Hitler put Jews in concentration camps because of their religion.
You have turned concentration camps on their head.
“I love this…”
No you don’t – you’re starting with a lie while your mangina is still dripping with rage and despair that Americans kicked Vice President DEI Hire to the curb.
Lets see so a state department of education forming an office of religious freedom, is a problem ?
Isn’t that precisely what the first amendment calls for – religious freedom ?
The US congress as well as many states have long ago passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act – which SCOTUS has established is constitutional.
And you think a State can not say “Yeah, We support what the constitution says” ?
If the OK dept education Religious Freedom department turns into something that does the OPPOSITE of what its name, title and mandate say – then there is a huge issue.
That has happened – but the NORM is that government agencies – particularly those run by republicans do exactly what they are mandated to do.
Next, Just about ever major institutional function in the US begins with a prayer. Sometimes by a Rabbi, sometimes an immam, or any of the many religions represented in the US.
This has REPEATEDLY been found constitutional.
No the sec. ed of Oklahoma can not compel people to pray. It can not ask others to pray. But he can pray publicly.
Cam the OK sec education make this video required viewing ?
That seems to be squishier, and likely depends on the powers the OK law gives to the Dept Ed.
Obviously the OK department of education can mandate somethings – that is why it exists – to dictate SOMETHINGS to local schools – otherwise what is the purpose of the Dept. of education ? We are likely to have just this debate at the federal level shortly – the US dept. Ed does NOT have any power over state and local schools – short of blackmailing them with federal money -and even their in Finding that the ACA was constitutional the supreme court majority also severely limited the federal government ability to use money to coerce states to do as it wants. The point is that the US department of education is impotent and expensive. The cost of public education in the US is several trillion dollars The US dept of education is a tiny portion of that. The few programs that it administers that are required by law can be transfered to other departments.
There is not now, nor never has been a justification for the US department of education – it is outside the scope of the powers the constitution gives the federal govenrment and it is impotent and a waste of money.
Comversely the power of a STATE department of education is determined by that STATES laws and constitution.
I do not know the extents or constraints of the OK law and constitution on its state department of education.
If the OK constitution delegates powers locally in the way the federal constitution delegates them to the states – then the OK dept of education is impotent and can not mandate anything. In my experience that is NOT how states function. As a rule all power within a state is vested by the state and SOME is delegated locally – to varying degres – different in different states. and even different within states. In my states SOME cities have SOME power to make their own laws, most do not.
State laws and constitutions tend to dictate some kind of local state power sharing – with highly variable lines and scope.
Can the OK dept of education require the viewing of a video ? I do not know. Can they require specific things like Phys. Ed. or Sex Ed. to be part of the curiculum ?
I suspect so, and if they can, then they can require viewing a message by the OK dept Ed.
The the OK AG says no – this can not be mandated.
There is also the complexity that while public officials can pray. They can allow prayer. But SCOTUS is clear they can not even advocate for voluntary prayer.
Depending on the exact words of the Sec. Ed. he may have crossed a line – if the video is mandatory and it encourages prayer. rather than allow it.
In the end – this is all a tempest in a teapot.
If the OK sec. ed has overstepped – that overeach is tiny.
I would note that while the sec. ed can not mandate an opportunity for voluntary prayer,
it is near certain he can mandate that Students be informed of THEIR rights to religious freedom.
“A crook is a crook, and there’s something healthy about his frankness in the matter. But any guy who pretends he is enforcing the law and steals on his authority is a swell snake.”
— Al Capone
You MAGA chucklemonkeys eagerly anticipating mass deportations may be in for a bit of a surprise.
Mexico will only accept deportees if they are proven to be Mexican citizens. Mexico has sovereign rights just like the USA.
The burden for proving that a deportee is Mexican falls on the US. Obviously the deportee can deny being a Mexican citizen, and can easily destroy any evidence of such citizenship in his possession. That leaves the US in the position of having to prove the deportee’s citizenship. Mexico has no reason to cooperate with proving the deportee’s citizenship.
The scenario will play out as follows.
Immigration agents will take a bunch of deportees to a border crossing and demand that Mexico accepts them.
Mexico asks, “are they Mexican citizens?’
Immigration agents say “Yes”.
Mexico says “prove it”.
If Mexico, the Chicoms, or anyone else doesn’t cooperate then it’s kaput for their economy. The leftist loons have been shoveling our tax money out the back of flyovers for years to these countries without a glimmer of oversight so most of it just goes directly into the pockets of the politicians in charge of those countries, and their friends and relatives. When that music stops, they’ll all be crying; “Oh my, what ever can we do for you?”
When you have them by their pair, their hearts and minds will follow.
Still waiting on Mexico’s border wall check, I presume?
“Still waiting on Mexico’s border wall check, I presume?”
Presume the Democrats can succeed in blocking that wall yet again this time around in the courts and the House and Senate?
Do you know what trade deals are you freaking moron?
If Mexico, the Chicoms, or anyone else doesn’t cooperate then it’s kaput for their economy. The leftist loons have been shoveling our tax money out the back of flyovers for years to these countries without a glimmer of oversight so most of it just goes directly into the pockets of the politicians in charge of those countries, and their friends and relatives. When that music stops, they’ll all be crying; “Oh my, what ever can we do for you?”
When you have them by their pair, their hearts and minds will follow.
So Mexico has a right to protect its borders, whereas, according to the Left, the USA does not.
I’m not making any statements or judgements or expressing any opinions about rights to protect a border on either side.
Just facing reality.
Something you chucklemonkeys seem to be incapable of doing.
You live in a fantasy world of the MAGA cult and think that Trump can do whatever he wants.
I’m just saying that you should expect Trump to fail with this deportation fantasy.
You live in a fantasy world of the MAGA cult
Wait, who was it saying Trump will never win, Kamala’s going to trounce him in the election? Who was saying that Americans were so concerned about abortion that Trump is going to lose big? No, that wasn’t us, that was YOU.
The cult accusations are rich coming from those who worship at the altar of the Leftist ideology. As the professor notes, they will stop at nothing to win, to maintain power. To heck with the rule of law. Sounds pretty fanatical to me.
“Just facing reality.”
No you’re not. You’re lying about how deportation works.
“. . . expect Trump to fail with this deportation fantasy.”
History says otherwise. Some 3 million migrants were deported under Obama. Many EU countries are currently deporting migrants.
We can coerce the illegals (threats of force and/or cash, don’t really care), set it up so they are physically unable to return (barriers, armed squadrons, A-10 Warthogs, don’t really care) and thereby force Mexico to deal with the situation. That is pretty much what Mexico (at the behest of the Democrats) did to us. I don’t even care if some of those we force back into Mexico are Haitian, or ethnic Chinese for that matter, again, that would be their problem. If Mexico decides to incarcerate or otherwise “dispose” of any returnees whom they deem not to be citizens of Mexico, then that is on the Mexican government.
There is no way to “force” Mexico to accept any deportees if they don’t want to.
That’s just the reality.
They have no incentive to cooperate.
Many, if not most, of them entered the US by navigating a border that was unprotected on our side. Do you contend that every mile of that border is protected on the Mexican side? Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that? Are you an organic fertilizer salesman by trade? If not, perhaps you should consider it – you show signs of a rare talent for that kind of endeavor.
ROFL
Trump has not taken office yet and Mexico has sent troops to the US border to STOP illegals from entering the US.
Trump does not have to “Force” mexico – they will cooperate because their entire economy depends on a Freindly US.
Regardless, these deportees are not going to Mexcio – almost ZERO are Mexican. Mexican’s have not been a significant part of US illegal immigration since NAFTA – 30 years ago.
But YES the US can FORCE countries to take deportees – and absolutely they have excellent reasons to cooperate.
There are THREE huge differences between US foreign policy under Biden and Trump
First – Trump is most definitely not freindly to neocons – With Trump as president the US will not be seeking to create conflicts accross the world.
And make no mistake – one way or another Biden CREATED the war in Ukrain and even the mess in Israel. I t may not be going as he had hoped,
But that does not change the fact that he wanted conflict – even if different from what he got.
TWO Trump is far more muscular in foreign policy. Trump WILL weild the tremendous ECONOMIC rather than military power of the US to get what he wants, and he will do so successfully. That may not make freinds of foreign leaders – but it does get things done.
THREE Trump’s foreign policy is “America First”. Those of you on the left should listen to Putin who makes it perfectly clear that his decisions are driven by RUSSIA’s interests.
All rational actors in the world act in their own interests. Self government depends on it, the economy depends on it. That is why communism and socialism do not work – they require people to place often vague undefined interests of others of the state above their own. Regardless. Trump acts in the US interests.
This is also why he is successful in foreign policy, and why often that success benefits BOTH countries. Trust is critical in all deals and trust is easy when the party you negotiate with beleives the outcome was in their interests. Again something those on the left fdo not understand. No one in a free market enters into a deal a transaction unless they beleive they “win”. Winning is NOT besting the other party – nearly all free market transactions are win-win or they do not happen – they are voluntary people rarely choose to lose when they can do nothing.
Why do you assume they will be deported to Mexico? They will be sent to their countries. They don’t have to accept them but then the US can stop all the aid $$ they receive (as they did last time Trump was the President) and then most of them will change their minds (as they did last time)
“Why do you assume they will be deported to Mexico?”
Why the Hell not? Mexico was complicit in the illegal crossings of not only their nationals, but many from elsewhere, as well. I have absolutely no problem with sending every single one of them to Mexico, and let hose buzzards sort them out. Cheaper and easier for us, as far as their convenience goes, I could give about .001% of a damn (and I’m feeling benevolent at the moment).
Think of it as Phase II of Operation Wet Back. Phase I was executed under President Dwight D. Eisenhower. May be a bit more involved this time due to the Democrats and Republicans Soros open border treachery but fear not, bad actors will be shown the door. I would support excluding all foreign nationals in our nation illegally from receiving any social services or benefits including allowing their children to attend our schools. No free sheit, no come here. Stop giving away our nations children’s futures.
You MAGA chucklemonkeys eagerly anticipating mass deportations may be in for a bit of a surprise. Mexico will only accept deportees if they are proven to be Mexican citizens. Mexico has sovereign rights just like the USA.
You feckless Anonymous cowardly Soviet Democrat Marxist Useful Idiot Bolshevik Birthing Boys still don’t understand how the food chain of country leadership works. Which is no surprise as you come here to prove Anonymously that you’re full auto belt fed retards straight off the short bus for Jerry’s Kids.
Mexico can tell Trump they won’t take their citizens back, except under circumstances THEY will dictate to Trump. But this is how your fairy tale scenario will play out in reality, to the extent Trump decides to meet that challenge.
Trump can then cut Mexico off from the billions in foreign aid they receive every year.
Embargo ALL money transfers from America with an ultimate destination in Mexico, unless those money transfers are first done through a Trump regulatory body that confirms it isn’t untaxed income or the proceeds of crime.
Cut off student visas to Mexican citizens to attend American colleges and universities.
Tariffs on Mexican products.
Announce sanctions on Mexican products to their other trading partners: trade with America or trade with Mexico – you won’t do both, so choose wisely.
Want the full list of what Trump can do if Mexico refuses to take their criminals back?
Anonymous fvcktard… you and Mexico that supplies your Guest Democrat Voter Illegal Aliens STILL haven’t figured out what “FAFO” stands for.
Mexico’s acts of complicity with drug lords and illegal alien invaders constituted actionable acts of war.
Israel has definitively altered the mindsets and positions of many of its neighbors recently.
America may consider employing the very same effective strategies and tactics.
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“If you’ve got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.”
– Theodore Roosevelt
* 😂 no, the border agent answers the question with—> well they are now.
Then there’s a shot. Then the US sends in the army and takes 25 miles in and has a new border.
Ridiculous scenario. It’s winter. Migrants always leave in the winter. Climate control…
Simply immigration laws will be followed. Everyone seems to forget the migrants were invited by the last administration. You know, Biden represented the nation? Way it is.
It doesn’t matter whether they’re Mexican citizens or not. If they came from Mexico, if Mexico deliberately allowed them to pass through and cross into our country, then Mexico has to take them back.
If it refuses we have many ways to force it, up to and including capturing a beachhead on the Mexican side of the border and physically dumping them there, then retreating. Anyone on their side who shoots at us will be killed. We have the ability to do that, and if the president decides to do it then we have the right.
Not that it’ll come to that, since there are many lesser ways of forcing Mexico to do whatever we demand.
Wow! hold the presses Trump’s program will fall apart ! NOT !
You are absolutely correct that sovereign nations can refuse to accept people that are not citizens.
But isn;t that precisely what Trump is seeking to do – preclude those who can not prove they are citizens or otherwise have a right to be in the US from entering ?
I would note that there is a massive amount of international politics involved in deportation – an I strongly suspect that Mexico will choose to accept people that Trump deports.
But even if they do not – Deportations are typically one way trips to the country of a persons origin – not specifically mexico.
I would further note that there is no loophole in US imigration law that says that if ICE can not establish beyond any doubt a persons country of origen they get to stay.
They WILL be deported Somewhere. That may be their country of origen – oif that can be proven or if that country does not fight it.
Or it could be any other country that the US government can persuade to take them – and Trump is SO persuasive that:
Mexico is already sealing both its southern and northen borders,
The EU is already buying more US LNG.
Iran, Houthis, Hezbola, Hamas are already seeking to avoid Trump’s IRE.
and on and on.
Do you really think that you have found some giant loophole to bar deportation ?
You do know that there is virtually ZERO illegal immigrants from Mexico in the US today ?
Illegal immigration from Mexico ended with NAFTA.
The issue with Mexico is that it is the land conduit for illegal immigrants from other countries.
And the socialist government of Mexico is sufficiently concerned that it has ALREADY sent troops to the US border to STOP illegals from crossing into the US from Mexico.
The scenario will play out like this.
Those seeking asylum – and Biden has encouraged ALL illegals to seek asylum – MUST claim a country they are seeking asylum from.
They will be denied, and they will be returned to that country.
If that country does not accept them or if the illegal fails to provide a country of origen and thereby disqualifies themself for asylum and sets up immediate deportation
then they will be given a choice of a bunch of H311Holes to be sent back to, where there are governments that either accept them willingly or are unwilling to stand up to the US.
Mexico is NOT mostly a h311hole – thought parts of it are. But I can pretty much guarantee that if Trump tells Mexico it will be taking Deportees – that the Mexican govenrment will accept them – and likely deport them elsewhere.
I will provide you with a 2ND scenario.
Existing illegal immigrants knowing that if they are deported they will NEVER get the opportunity to immigrate legally to the US will self deport in very large numbers to avoid the loss of the ability to immigrate in the future and/or the possibility of relatively long and not that pleasant detention – and not in NYC’s finest hotels.
Is a labotomy standard issue for progressives ?
Are you incapable of anything beyond first order thought ?
Do really think this idiotic hypothetical has the tiniest relevance in the real world ?
This is not even a speedbump.
If you want some REALY agruments – and you listen CAREFULLY
To Trump and even Homan.
There is ZERO possibility that the US is going to FORCEABLY deport 11-21M illegal immigrants that have arrived here in the past 4 years.
My personal estimate is that Homan will ramp Government deportations up to about 1M/yr, Homan seems to think that is possible WITHOUT ANY additional funding
with current law, without help from the military,
That another approximately 1M a year will “self deport”
If they stay they risk being deported with ZERO oportunity of returning.
Further we are already spending 152B/year supporting illegal immigrants.
Trump probably has the latitude to reduce that , but it will take congress to radically cut it.
But that can be passed through reconcilliation.
Cut off $152B to illegal immigrants and if they do not self deport in the hope of coming legally they will do so because they can not make a living.
Biden claims to have created 17M jobs in the past 4 years. almost 8M of those purportedly went to US born, almost 6 went to LEGAL foreign born.
There have been between 11 and 21M illegal immigrants in the past 4 years. At most 3M of them have gotten jobs – atleast that we see in government stats.
We KNOW BTW that despite left wing nut claims that while a bit more than 50% of farm workers are immigrants – that less than 1/4 of those – or less than 1 in 8 total are illegal immigrants, and many of those have been here since Obama was president.
If the majority of illegals had jobs – they would not cost the Federal government alone $152B/yr. That does not count the 4B/yr it is costing NYC
The fact that we are paying probably well over 200B nationally means these people are NOT mostly gainfully employed.
The economy is not going to collapse without them.
But that also means their not staying if the money is cut off.
“The scenario will play out as follows. . . .”
That’s not how deportation works.
A brief look at the history of deportations would have told you that. But when your desire is to smear, truth is merely a casualty.
Repudiating the rule of law in favor of advancing the rule of men has too long been the norm that pilots the illiberalism of the Democratic Party’s leadership. Their idea of democracy has come to be recognized as misguided and thus near completely dysfunctional. Democrats like those on Pennsylvania’s election commission are the very reason why Trump was elected and Republican majorities will hold the whole of the next Congress.
Sigh. Judging by the comments today, I don’t think the modern left can be brought back to sanity. Something I never thought I’d see. We need to all thank the stars we have a 1A, a 2A, a separation of powers, a filibuster, and an Electoral College. This is why our forebears fled Europe, and Europe seems to be happy to revert to its old ways.
Let us never relent. We have, as a country, *rejected* the modern left. Accept it or not; the rejection will not magically ‘go away’. We will defend what we voted for, and we will do it twice or thrice as hard at the midterms. Nothing the modern left can say will make one iota of a difference.
And one wonders why Trump fought so hard after his defeat by Biden? Does anyone really believe it was a fair election then? Not anymore. Dems — it is time to reflect, rethink and read the Constitution. The full force of the law should be against Bucks County people who openly says she will break the law!
Yeah, they were a few million short of fake ballots this time around.
“Does anyone really believe it was a fair election then?”
I never thought it was “fair”. I admit that I was skeptical that the winning margin resulted from actual fraudulent ballots, rather than biased MSM coverage and the like. Anomalies in the total votes for Democrat candidates over the last few Presidential elections now call even that latitude into serious doubt.
James,
What I find truly amazing is how the Democrats refuse to acknowledge how poorly they ran the Harris campaign. No self-reflection. No acknowledging the exit polls. Just, Harris ran a flawless campaign, it was all those sexist black males, Hispanics, white women who voted the way their husbands told them too. Ah, no. Americans voted against woke leftism that has taken over the Democrat party. But, hey! Keep doubling or even tripling down on that denial! Not going to help in the mid terms or in 2028. Trump’s picks, as one said, is making the right people mad. That is what people voted for. For people to go in and dismantle the swamp. And the average American is behind them and Trump. We have to support both Trump and his picks in anyway we can in a positive manner.
What they are saying publicly is probably not what they are expressing privately. Dems have always had to pretend to be something they weren’t to get elected. Pretending to be champions of democracy while at the same time trying to either jail, bankrupt, or remove their opponent from the ballet. Pretending to care about illegal immigration and high inflation, when they caused it. Trying to explain how Biden was sharp as a tack, while we were all watching his rapid decline, then pushing him off the ticket and hand selecting his replacement. I believe that most people simply had enough of the left’s lies. We were sold a Russia hoax, a laptop hoax, lawfare, and a Jan 6th hoax. People simply had had enough.
“Every fool is fully convinced, and every one fully persuaded is a fool: the more erroneous his judgment the more firmly he holds it.”
—Balthasar Gracian, The Art of Worldly Wisdom, clxxxiii (1647).
And Mark Twain adapted it to (I paraphrase) “It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them they’ve been fooled”.
I am not sure where you get your news, but there is a ton of acknowledgment from Democrats about how poorly the Harris campaign has been run. I have read dozens of articles, saying that a competent Democratic candidate should have trounced Trump.
The problem wasn’t the campaign, it was the product.
What the —- is this idiot talking about?
Here is a fun video montage! The Funniest TRUMP CAN’T WIN Compilation 2024
That was fun! Thanks!
Floyd- here are some stats you MAGAs won’t like:
So far, Trump’s vote total is less than 50%–so more than half of those who voted did not vote for him. His margin over Harris, so far, without all of the results being finalized, due to mail and military ballots is 1.7%–ALL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR. This means that the election COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY .
Hillary beat Trump in 2016 in the popular vote by 2.1% margin.
Joe Biden beat Trump by 4.4% margin.
Trump is lying when he claims an “historic mandate”–Trump’s “victory”, which was the product of lies, misogyny, fake promises, lying about our economy, xenophobia and racism ranks 44th out of 51 in the last 200 years.
Ah yes, the Old No. 6! The Dems fail safe goto, the successful tactic proven over and over to fraudulently manipulate an election. I like to call it the old Franken/Coleman method of stealing elections.
Yeah, 2020 was transparent and fair/s
Of possible interest: Federalist piece on the professor’s topic for today:
https://thefederalist.com/2024/11/18/the-new-york-times-loves-election-deniers-if-theyre-democrat/
https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/10/democrats-fake-electors-smear-is-a-debunked-conspiracy-theory/
This from the same site that says that electors can ignore ballots entirely and send a separate slate to Washington completely untethered from voting counts….
Yawn. Mommy someone else is stupid enough to try an distract with ad hominem. The schools have failed us, I’m going back to sleep. Zzzz
Evidently you don’t understand what electors are. Of course electors are not bound by ballots. They’re bound by their pledge that they made before the election. In some states by law, and in some only by honor, but either way that is the only bond on them. The only thing the ballots determine is who is an elector, and that’s not always clear by the time they have to vote, so it’s completely in order for them to vote just in case they’re the real electors, and if they turn out not to be then their votes are irrelevant.
This disregard for court orders, and the creation of a shadow government in opposition to the elected Trump administration, seem to me to make Democrats the Party of Insurrection. They are what they accuse others of.
Ric Dee,
Well said and spot on!
Oy Vey! What a night! The Lesbian Law Firm sued one of my wealthier clients for $37,299, and I went to meet with the partner who was responsible, at a motel. I took one of the kittens with me. My 1972 Duster ran out of gas on the way, and me and the kitten had to walk the last mile or so up a very steep hill. For some reason, I wasn’t wearing any pants, and that was a bit awkward, particularly when the Highway Patrol stopped me. But I explained that I was a lawyer, and I was able to proceed. When I got to the room, I discovered that the partner looked like Elsbeth, from the new CBS show. I discovered that the firm had also filed an involuntary bankruptcy against my client, for another $37,299 in miscellaneous bills. Then, the other partner (and lover) showed up, and she explained to me how fragile her lover was right now, because Trump was elected. I was not moved at all, and told them that I was going to sue the firm out of existence! Come to find out, my client had simply gone to the firm to get them to write a letter to a minor creditor over a disputed bill. And the Lesbian Law Firm had wanted to charge him $37,299 to write the letter, and he told them to forget it. They both like the kitten, and asked if they could have it, but I was afraid of their mental status, and said no.
Proclamation 92—Warning to Rebel Sympathizers
“On April 15, 1861,…President Abraham Lincoln issued a proclamation calling forth the state militias, to the sum of 75,000 troops, in order to suppress the rebellion. He appealed ‘to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union.’”
“[On] July 17, 1862,…I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, do hereby proclaim to and warn all persons within the contemplation of said sixth section to cease participating in, aiding, countenancing, or abetting the existing rebellion or any rebellion against the Government of the United States and to return to their proper allegiance to the United States on pain of the forfeitures and seizures as within and by said sixth section provided.”
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Now President Donald J. Trump MUST pull a full “Lincoln” and close the border, impose martial law, prosecute a war against the communist rebellion without a formal declaration, shred the Communist Manifesto and irrevocably extirpate all principles of communism in America, implement the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights including absolute freedom, absolute free enterprise, absolute free markets, and absolute private property including a fully constitutional dearth of taxation and regulation, eliminate the Departments of Labor, Education, Agriculture, Energy, HUD, and EPA, issue the “Deportation Proclamation” deporting all illegal aliens, past and present, including those who illegally pursued citizenship as criminal border crossers and “asylum” seekers who all made false and fraudulent claims of phantom, nonexistent persecution as foreign citizens with no U.S. rights, establish coherent voter qualifications by State legislatures per the Constitution, declare English the sole official language of the United States, suspend habeas corpus, smash opposition printing presses, networks, podcasts, social media platforms, etc., and throw anyone and everyone who opposes him in prison to Save the Union until America is placed squarely back on the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
@George
With posts like this, even if there is some salience in there – you are an idiot, George. We voted against the likes of you just as much as we voted against Kamala. Understand that those of us in question have at least 12 more elections in our futures. This old school stereotyping, from any side, ain’t gonna fly anymore. That was sort of the point. Spare us, and stop it. We don’t want it. The, IMO, very much premature schadenfreude from the right, is a joke. Do not make us regret how we voted.
Even though we independents who, yes, hate traditional religious conservative values, helped turn the tide, seems to mean nothing to you. Take your idiocy and stuff it, please, we sure don’t want it. We would like to just move forward as a country in the 21st century. I can tell you that independent voters sure as sheet are not ‘conservative’. That is a weird bugaboo you all contrive when someone happens to agree with you.
We are not ever, ever going to be a religious conservative country ever again, and you all should probably find some peace with that. That was NOT the pint of this election.
James – IMO
The “cosmic glue” of all free societies is the belief in a higher power by our creator. Doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s the belief of the afterlife that individuals are subject to receive the consequences of reward or punishment for their individual morality in this life. This belief promotes compassion, forgiveness and respect. It promotes goodness in how humanity works, without it we are nothing more than animals. The lessons of history are doomed to be repeated if they go ignored.
So, I take it you adamantly and irrevocably disapproved of Lincoln’s wholly anti-American, illicit, illegal, and unconstitutional acts.
Lincoln was a tyrant and got his just reward.
“So, I take it you adamantly and irrevocably disapproved of Lincoln’s wholly anti-American, illicit, illegal, and unconstitutional acts.”
We take it that a Confederate Democrat who’s a carbon copy of Senator Robert Byrd, bitter that Lincoln didn’t deport their born in America slaves after they were freed isn’t the Kluxxer Constitutional Expert that should be trusted for their opinions on Lincoln or what the Constitution says.
Racist Democrat hypocrisy didn’t begin with Joe Biden. It began with Confederates that didn’t deport their slaves due to that earlier law you always quote – but it’s Lincoln you hate to the very marrow of your feeble bones because he didn’t deport them after they were freed.
Pathetic or slightly amusing? Hard to decide.
Facts are facts.
Why did Grant as President and Sherman, Sheridan, Chivington, Crook and Custer ans his military commanders immediately move westward after the civil war and practice genocide against the indigenous peoples? I mean after all their efforts to free the black man in their fight for human rights and all /s.
Somewhere in that insane rant was a reference to martial law. I’m just going to address that one point. There is NO SUCH THING in the USA as martial law, unless the courts are unable to function. So long as one courthouse in an area is open for business any purported proclamation of “martial law” in that area is automatically void.
I hope Joe says that Trump is as sharp as a tack!
* why would anyone drag that skunk in here, Floyd? Good grief
Skunk??? Are you kidding me??? I do not think that Trump could have won without the likes of Joe and Mika! And the bimbos on The View!
Joe’s statement that “This is the best Biden I have ever seen! He is as sharp as a tack!” – that lie had to be worth a million votes at least!
“Skunk??? Are you kidding me???”
I agree with the earlier commenter, Floyd… why did you have to drag the Miki And Joe Morning Adultery Show in here?
A manure shovel can be extremely useful for mucking out a pig pen. But you don’t have to bring it into the house after the job is done to admire how it helped complete the job.
The real power in American has long been the Administrative State that liberals have dutifully favored. I do not expect we should hope for any of those featured in the video to ever speak truth to that power. Nor can their support be expected for Trump and his appointees whenever they speak truth to that Power. They may have talked a good game, but will they play it?
Wow. I hope Bucks County voters remember Diane Marseglia’s flagrant disregard for the rule of law and throw her out in the next election.
Thugocracy is coming in January!
Would that be coming from women who are passing around a old recipe to kill men who voted for Trump? Or, the Reddit users who are saying all kinds of hate filled things about Trump voters? Some calling on to shoot them outright. Some are saying assassination is justified. One wants her Trump supporting parents dead. Forming guerrilla forces. That kind of thugocracy?
Farmer Up There: That too, that too…
It’ll be thug against thug!
The difference is, I know how to shoot.
Farmer Upthere: Thug away!
Only in self-defense or defense of friends, neighbors and family, idiot.
Farmer Up There: Of course you ae supposed to call 911 for that sort of thing, but maybe that doesn’t work Up There.
So Thug away!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee
Farmer Up There: Of course you ae supposed to call 911 for that sort of thing, but maybe that doesn’t work Up There. So Thug away!
Davie, he wasn’t describing going full Soviet Democrat street thug in black as you thugs in Pantifa and Black Liars & Marxists did on Trump’s last inauguration day and then through the rest of his presidency.
And these states aren’t anti-2nd Amendment communist utopias like Washington state, Oregon, California that celebrate violent felons and thugs.
There is no legal requirement to first call 911 when some black clad Soviet Democrat thug threatens you, your family and friends, and/or your family.
We have a very legal 5.56mm solution to violent black clad thugs here, just like we had to violent black clad thugs over in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Please consult your favorite lawyer who’s a member of the Internet Law Bar.
And… are you seeking volunteers to accept your house calls?
“We have a very legal 5.56mm solution to violent black clad thugs here”
I prefer .308, 12 ga slugs, and .357 Magnum, but to each his own.
Airblowne Puppy — Here in Eastern Washington State we use our shotguns threateningly to escort the thugs back across the border into Idaho.
Not thug. Bodyguard. Tony Lip in Green Book.
Your lips to God’s ears!
A restricted-vote republic, with discipline, resolve, and leadership acumen, will stand up for itself and the “manifest tenor” of its Constitution.
The rights and freedoms of the Constitution are absolute or they do not exist.
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“…courts…must…declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.”
“…men…do…what their powers do not authorize, [and] what they forbid.”
“[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”
– Alexander Hamilton
David B. Benson says: November 18, 2024 at 12:23 PM Thugocracy is coming in January!
Davie… are you threatening put those black man-jammies on your mommy made for you and riot and pillage on Trump’s inauguration day exactly as you did on his first inauguration day?
There will be a new Attorney General sherriff in town this time Davie. I thought you Coastal Bolshevik Clowns claim you fear that Trump will put you in concentration camps?
A relative just sent me a link that should provide comfort (albeit very, very cold) to Dennis, Gigi, and our many other Anonymous hysterics and propagandists.
The Mika and Joe Morning Adultery Show, famous for first licking Trump’s boots to then saying “he’s virtually Hitler and this is our last election”, have gone back to being Trump supplicants. They have gone to visit President-elect Trump at his mansion at Mar-a-logo.
Whether or not you believe they’re contrite, or instead coldly engaged in calculated hypocritical self-dealing in hopes of stopping their bleeding viewership, there’s a bigger message in this.
The supposedly hate filled, vengeful tyrannical Trump who Dennis and Gigi assure us will jail “journalists” like Mika & Joe is showing once again that he is forgiving to a fault of those who attempt to destroy him and his family as well as other Republicans after the attempts fail to take him out.
They didn’t show up unannounced – they reached out in supplication, asking if Trump would allow them to come to his home again after they were calling him Hitler and a threat to democracy just two weeks ago.
And rather than Trump being a vengeful totalitarian telling them publicly to “Fvck Off, now the FAFO begins”, Trump responded to their begging by extended an invitation for them to come to his home to meet him.
This is the same ‘let bygones by bygones’ Trump who after the 2016 election, when his supporters were calling for him to deliver on his promise to have Clinton investigated for her Espionage Act violations and illegal “Trump Russia Dossier”, told the country that the Clintons had suffered enough, and they were ‘very fine people’. (I wonder how long he continued to believe that over the last eight years)
Trump is still tolerant and forgiving of those who lie in attempts to destroy him (when he should be less so in my opinion), rather than the supposed evil dictator poised to jail Mika & Joe, Dennis, Gigi, FishAnus, Wally and the rest of them.
See! It’s not as bad as you think and you’re not quite at the risk you want us to believe you are!
Old Airborne Dog,
The responses from the media are interesting, https://www.mediaite.com/news/bitterly-divided-mediasphere-unites-to-destroy-joe-and-mika-meeting-with-trump-annals-of-shamelessness/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
I posted the video above.
UpstateFarmer posted: “Old Airborne Dog, The responses from the media are interesting,”
Is that the “schadenfreude” thing that has been such a delicious drink since the election? Communist tears, hot or cold?
BTW, where did the Anonymous critic of your agricultural pursuits disappear to?
The DNC believes that the ends justify the means. So its all fair to do anything to stop Trump.
If they co-mingled the ballots then any recount would be impossible.
This would mean that the courts would have to go w the original counts and the Republican wins against Casey (Dem).
Of course if Elias does judge shop, it would end up in the Penn State Supreme Court.
Its also election interference. Which should mean a fine and jail time for those Dems.
-G
The Senate is not bound to seat the person certified by the state authorities. If the Senate majority investigates the matter and concludes that McCormick is the rightful winner, the Senate can seat him. Something like this happened in 1974 when there was a contest for a New Hampshire Senate seat. The Republican was the certified winner, but the Democrat successfully prevented him from being seated. The Seat was declared “open” by the Senate and the Democrat won a special election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974%E2%80%9375_United_States_Senate_elections_in_New_Hampshire Al Gore Jr. may have had something like this in mind in 2000.
mostly because I think we all know that precedent by a court doesn’t matter anymore in this country and people violate laws any time they want. So, for me, if I violate this law, it’s because I want a court to pay attention to it.
Sounds like the rantings found in a mass shooter’s manifesto.
Also sounds like JD Vance’s approach to news.
“Also sounds like JD Vance’s approach to news.
Sounds like a vicious commie claiming they have a right to interpret what they think JD Vance would do.
Same vicious commies that bought into the Russia Dossier and “that’s not Biden’s laptop, that’s disinformation” hoaxes.