In the annals of environmental law, no creature is more famous than the Snail Darter, the endangered species that shut down completion of the Tellico Dam in the 1970s. It required congressional legislation to allow the dam to be finished after years in the courts where judges maintained that the species had to be protected under the Endangered Species Act. According to the New York Times., the species may turn out to be as mythical as a unicorn.
The controversy began in 1967 when the Tennessee Valley Authority started constructing a dam on the Little Tennessee River, roughly 20 miles outside Knoxville. Environmentalists and locals opposed the project and, in 1973, a zoologist at the University of Tennessee named David Etnier went snorkeling with his students and found a possible solution. He spotted a small fish and called it a “snail darter” because of its movements and eating habits. He reportedly announced “Here’s a little fish that might save your farm.”
Dr. Zygmunt Plater, an environmental law professor at Boston College, represented the snail darter before the Supreme Court. He did an excellent job and, in 1978, the Supreme Court ruled that “the Endangered Species Act prohibits impoundment of the Little Tennessee River by the Tellico Dam” to protect the endangered snail darters.
That was then.
The Times now quotes Thomas Near, the curator of ichthyology at the Yale Peabody Museum who leads a fish biology lab at the university, that “there is, technically, no snail darter.” Worse yet, it was actually just another member of the eastern population of Percina uranidea, or stargazing darters, which is not considered endangered.
Near and his colleagues have published the results in Current Biology
In other words, years of litigation and millions of dollars were spent on what was a false claim, and the courts accepted the claims hook, line, and sinker.
Under the ESA, the snail darter was listed as protected and therefore triggered Section 7 of the Act barring federal agencies from undertaking actions that could jeopardize a species’ survival or destroy any of its critical habitat.
In Tennessee Valley Auth. v. Hill, 437 U.S. 153 (1978), Chief Justice Warren Burger noted that the finding of this “previously unknown species of perch” changed everything on a legal level. He added:
“Until recently, the finding of a new species of animal life would hardly generate a cause celebre. This is particularly so in the case of darters, of which there are approximately 130 known species, 8 to 10 of these having been identified only in the last five years. The moving force behind the snail darter’s sudden fame came some four months after its discovery, when the Congress passed the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (Act), 87 Stat. 884, 16 U.S.C. § 1531 et seq. (1976 ed.).”
Plater insisted that Dr. Near is merely a “lumper” who tends to rely on genetics rather than being a “splitter” who proliferates new species. Dr. Plater added that “whether he intends it or not, lumping is a great way to cut back on the Endangered Species Act.”
That was a particularly revealing point from the law professor since it suggests what could be an overwhelming motive could be legal and not scientific in declaring the new species — the very objection raised in the litigation and denied by many advocates.
Roughly three years ago, the government declared victory in restoring the snail darter and the Fish and Wildlife Service proposed removing it from the ESA list of threatened species.
Has anybody heard from Dennis McIntyre today? If he is for real, he says he lives somewhere in Cali, near a coast. If so, he may be one of the ones affected by the fires.
Jonathan: The snail darter controversy has been a thorn in the side of the GOP ever since 1967. What you ignore is that the legislation to allow the completion of the Tellico Dam was signed by Jimmy Carter, the President who was honored today.
Since that controversy the GOP has wanted to abolish the ESA or severely restrict its mandate. During the first DJT administration there were attempts to weaken the ESA. But the ESA survived. Now, under DJT’s Project 2025 he has a more ambitious plan. The term “climate change” will be stripped from all federal documents. The ESA and the Inflation Reduction Act, the biggest plan by Biden to cut carbon pollution, are on the chopping block. This could result in 2.7 billion metric tons of more carbon to get into the atmosphere.
Project 2025 also calls for eliminating the National Weather Service and making it private. That means in an approaching hurricane or a wildfire you will have to pay for weather updates. Project 2025 is all about wiping out federal funding and oversight of government efforts to protect the environment, ensure clean water and air–and to prevent the extinction of important native species. In the last 50 years, we have lost 60% of all wild animals on the planet. For over 40 years the ESA has been incredibly successful in protecting imperiled species.
I doubt DJT voters have bothered to read the over 900 page Project 2025. If they had I doubt they would have approved of the draconian plans DJT has for his second administration. DJT wants to throw out the wash with the bath water. And in your attacks on the ESA it appears you back DJT’s plans to dismantle agencies and laws that exist to protect the environment and counter the worst aspects of climate change. That’s lamentable for someone who likes to hike and enjoy the outdoors–and all that it offers–thanks to the ESA!
Dang, speak of the devil!
* yeah, what about the otters transplanted to the central coast. Used to be abundant in abalone, clams, fish. None left. Have to go out 100 miles now to find fish. That’s true, too.
If you really want to know what Trump (or any Republican) intends to do, never ask them – instead,always ask Dennis McIntyre so he can insure you that you know what they intend to do.
Same Dennis McIntyre that joins with Gigi to repeatedly assure everyone that Project 2025 is the product of Trump and the GOP.
It’s right there online in plain text, listed in the Trump and GOP election platforms. Go there and read it for yourselves and you’ll see how reliable Dennis is!
Shocking to see the ‘exclusive’ areas of LA, including Malibu, go up in flames.
I feel a little schadenfreude seeping in as I remember that these are the bluest of the blue parts of the country and these people funded and voted for the politicians who did this.
Many years ago I worked in forest management, a ‘brush ape’, cutting brush and doing controlled burns and it was easy to see that if these people in California didn’t do the same they were going to have some hellacious fires. And now they do.
All the wild fires I worked on were caused by lightening but many of the fires in LA are started by ‘homeless’ [we used to call them bums and vagrants] and California has turned ‘homelessness’ into a lucrative industry. Billions are spent on it and the more they spend the more they get and the more organizations devoted to increasing the supply of the homeless…and their fires in the piles of untended brush and fuel they set on fire on a regular basis.
Trump warned about water and timber and brush and the risk of fires during his terrific interview with Rogan.
Every day I think the ‘progressive’ left has gone insane.
No. The communists were allowed to go insane, a uniquely innate trait of communists, and take the once-free American nation with them.
* The United States has great forest management and it runs well. Foresters, whole armies of them, work putting in fire breaks anywhere there are people. There are no trees near roads etc. The forests are gleaned ridding dead and sick trees and brush is removed. Homes can be cited for brush management everywhere.
This is nonsense.
In other words, years of litigation and millions of dollars were spent on what was a false claim, and the courts accepted the claims hook, line, and sinker.
The same can be said about vaccines. To wit:
The Pediatrician’s Lament
Politics now threatens to erase the gains of science, reduce access to vaccines, and undermine the vast public health benefit of the vaccines I have spent my career championing. Now is the time to lament loudly, to beat my chest, and to wail.
In this precise moment, beneficence requires more than seeing patients, doing research, or writing erudite journal articles. Today, beneficence requires physicians to step into a public role that may contradict our understanding of our job description. Regardless of our politics, if we are reticent in this moment, harm will come to the patients we seek to help.
Even if patients are skeptical of the alphabet soup of institutions designed to protect and safeguard their health, they still have confidence in the long-standing relationships with their clinicians. To deserve that trust, we are obligated to raise our collective voice in defense of science, health, and vaccines.
Author: Eleanor R. Menzin, M.D.
Published January 8, 2025
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp2414640
The NEJM arrived in my inbox today, and the above opinion piece is over the top and histrionic politicization. Yes, patients should take vaccines most of the times. They should also lose weight, exercise, have monogamous relationships, meditate/pray, eat nutritious meals, cease addictive behaviors and more. I’ve been telling my patients for decades to lose weight. A small percentage have done so. Although they suffered medically and succumbed to early death for not heeding my advice, there was no need to lament loudly, beat my chest nor wail. My conscience is clean. People make their own choices.
Like the snail darter “scientist”, insipid scientific promulgations endure. Brow beating patients doesn’t work when it comes to weight loss, nor will it work in recommending vaccines. Frankly having an obese body imperils all obese patients; vaccines however not so much.
The snail darter myth lives in other ways.
OH! Gavin Newsome says the LAFD is not out of water??? Immediately that CNN interview interrupted by a CNN report that there is no water!!! You can’t make this stuff up!
It was the hydrants are dry. The fire dept by law must test all hydrants periodically in the usa. Guess not anymore.
Those fires are by arson. Get out of there.
Dear Deranged George… let’s just have a reminder of anyone else who isn’t black like Obama who you are also demanding not be allowed to run for the presidency with your weekly complaint.
Barack Hussein Obama enjoyed only one citizen parent and was not in 2008, and will never be, the highest form of “citizen,” a “natural born citizen,” and will never be eligible to be president.
Those you demand be declared ineligible includes every single American born to parents where one parent was not an American citizen at the time. Hundreds of thousands, both those who served our country in uniform at some point and those who didn’t.
IN PARTICULAR, if you had your way it would exclude every child born to an American soldier serving his country on an assignment to a US military base outside of CONUS, where the other European parent was NOT an American citizen. The children of those patriots serving their country abroad MUST be eliminated from those who can run for president.
George, you hate the American military and their families almost as much as you hate Professor Turley and President Trump.
Your party wants Illegal Aliens to be allowed to vote. You demand that these children of serving US military who followed orders and were posted outside CONUS must NOT be allowed to run for president.
At least sign an organ donor card; do something potentially useful for once.
Old Airborne Dog
Lil 82nd Coward, what did you do during the war, oh valiant gladiator?
Oh look, the pedophile gun bunny who heroically fought with the Chairborne Commando as a Gravy Seal Team Airsoft Sniper is back to post military words!
How many days in a row does this make that you’ve alleged stolen valor without a single cut and paste to back up your insinuation? A couple of hundred at least?
Chairborne All The Way! Always Airsoft all the way! When you can’t stay frosty, you can at least be Anonymous!
If you didn’t always take the coward’s way out of making all these posts Anonymously, I would DEFINITELY call your probation officer to report you for violating your probation by accessing the Internet, Chairborne Airsoft Gun Bunny.
One of these days you’ll molest the wrong parents’ child with your “can you help me find my lost puppy” operation, cut like a marshmallow Airsoft Warrior.
It won’t be “choose your Airsoft sniper rifle” then, pathetic Anonymous gun bunny. One of your victims’ parents is likely to make you famous as a news item one of these days.
Old Airborne Dog
I had the pleasure of canoeing down the Little T (Little Tennessee river) before the Tellico dam was completed and the valley was flooded. Upstream from where we put in near the outflow of the Lake Chilhowee dam, Alcoa had constructed a number of power generating dams with impoundment lakes going west to east through much of the Appalachians into North Carolina – all of which are quite scenic. The remaining free stretch of the Little T meandered through mostly lonely and quite lovely sublime pastoral lands to a junction with the Tennessee river. One of the primary reasons given for the need for the Tellico dam was to protect Chattanooga, which up to that time was one of the most vulnerable cities to floods, from seasonal flooding of the Tennessee river particularly in areas of well known flood plains. The basic conflict was drawn between TVA with its economic development and flood control mandates and mindset versus the free river crowd augmented by the Cherokees not wanting to inundate old village grounds near the historic British colonial Ft Loudon sited along the banks of the Little T. It was widely understood that the discovery of the “endangered” snail darter was merely a tactic used in this conflict. No one, on either side, really cared or had any use for the snail darter, except perhaps the good professor who discovered it. Even after the courts concluded that the Endangered Species Act prevailed, the Tellico dam was completed as planned through an amendment to the act signed by Jimmy Carter. Although it is difficult to counter the Bentam type “greater good” argument for the dam, I am saddened that we have forever lost a bit of America by inundating this beautiful valley.
As you mentioned, there were multiple dams upstream, and there were already two main river dams downstream of the Little T confluence, so I’m not buying the Chattanooga flooding reason. And the increase in power generation through one more dam was negligible. I am truly thankful for most of what TVA did overall. The damage of Hurricane Helene basically stopped at Douglas Dam. But Tellico was simply a project pushed for no reason other than the perpetuation of TVA. It was one of the last big projects, but like the uncompleted Columbia dam and multiple uncompleted nuclear sites, it was simply a bad decision. In addition to the loss of river valley, what still infuriates me to this day is the thousands of acres TVA took that was not actually needed for construction of the dam or reservoir that was then “sold” to developers.
OT
REPEAL THE 16TH AMENDMENT
Much in America makes absolutely no sense; what kind of typical normal citizen would vote for Snail Darters?
Who voted for the 16th Amendment, the Income Tax, in 1913, and who would vote for it today?
Typical normal citizens who weren’t parasites of the government, such as public workers, welfare recipients, and their relatives, voted for PROP 13.
Citizens at the Boston Tea Party voted to throw the tea in the harbor.
Who the —- voted for the INCOME TAX in 1913?
Some acts make no sense until one smells the stench of corruption (i.e. the corruption of communism in a once-free country).
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
TWO THIRDS VOTED FOR PROP 13
What is Proposition 13?
“On June 6th , 1978, nearly two-thirds of California’s voters passed Proposition 13, reducing property tax rates on homes, businesses and farms by about 57%.”
Of course, they did because they were sane and rational.
In the Year of Our Lord, 2025, Americans should vigorously advocate for the repeal of the 16th Amendment, and restore some sanity to once-free America.
I just watch Gavin Newsom interview with Anderson Cooper (he’s gay not that there’s anything wrong with it) from CNN on the fires. Hey, he refused to take responsibility and accused Trump of politicization of the disaster. He then stated that he had been with a real President, Joe “Tater head” Biden and he knew that he had the backs of everyone affected. The people in North Carolina are still living in tents without clean water. Joe Biden really delivers as he passes billions of dollars on to the Ukraine.
“Anderson Cooper (he’s gay not that there’s anything wrong with it)…”
– Traveler
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There’s nothing wrong with it except that it is such an egregious aberration and perversion of nature that it’s terminal.
On an assembly line, it would be immediately tossed by quality control inspectors.
It’s not necessarily something to be celebrated, elevated, and rewarded.
Just sayin’!
Seinfeld episode
Master of our own domain
* was the snail darter tasty? All you need to know.
Escarpo
It is related to Yellow Perch and Walleye, so likely quite tasty!
Somewhat similar to what I heard about the water supply for CA and the awful excuse for its governor. He decided that water required by humans residing in CA would not get to them because it is/was required for breeding/lives of … smelts. Was he succumbing to pressure from Americans of Italian heritage who want them for the Feast of Seven Fishes???
“California received over 78 trillion gallons of rain and snow in the 2023 water year.”
– AI Overview
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More in 2024.
Elected officials allowed most of it to run off into the ocean.
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In 2023, California’s atmospheric rivers dumped trillions of gallons of rain into the state, but a large portion of it flowed into the Pacific Ocean. In the delta, nearly 95% of the incoming water went into the ocean.
– AI Overview
So what’s new? The left engage in histrionics, they are disturbingly happy to lie to our faces; we can’t hand these people power ever again, most definitely not generationally (we got to see what a millennial run country looks like since 2020, and places like Britain are going to learn that lesson the hardest way); gen Z? Look no further than CHAZ, what a joke. We would be a pile of ashes within a year. There are points here that are not being discussed because the people in question are the parents and grandparents of the people in question, and they do not want to own up to their failures.
Though Obama may have sealed the deal, it sure didn’t start with him (Dr. Spock, anyone?). We can fix it or not, but the sentient and adult among us can only do so much; will people start raising their kids with a sense of responsibility again? If they don’t, this country collapses in a couple of decades simply due to laziness and reticence, no matter what we do. We have a small window and reprieve, and we had really better make the most of it. We are not done, the battle is far, far from over.
* really? How do you know it’s not just another scam…
There’s so many poor people here EVERYONE should be a social worker of some kind focused on food, shelter and clothing, medical supervision for the insane, and addicts. Prisons are 4 the criminally insane.
Oh it’s over alright and everyone lost.
Amen. Have you seen the pieces of work who attend a Trump rally? America’s biggest losers. White “Christians” who barely know how to use the English language, look like they over eat fast food, and barely have the skills to clean a toilet. Hillbilly elegy for real.
And it’s attitudes and language like that that will keep Trump and his followers in power for a long time. I’ll make sure to pass along your comments to the PhD’s I know who voted Trump.
White Fat Christian Hillbillies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3_aD6483I
vs Biden Administration men:
https://ifunny.co/picture/sam-brinton-deputy-assistant-secretary-rachel-levine-of-office-of-KpHNCv1K9
Have you seen the pieces of work that compose the Democrat base???
Amen. Have you seen the pieces of work who attend a Trump rally?
Have you seen those magnificent winners who crowded into the Biden and Harris rallies? No, of course you didn’t; nobody else saw them either.
You had to take part in one of the mostly peaceful Democrat riots in order to encourage them to gather where they could be seen.
Pity that it didn’t work to conjure up those missing millions of votes from the 2020 election to again provide a win in 2024.
Turley’s just another internet troll who doesn’t read the citations he uses to support his arguments. Probably explains why he teaches and doesn’t actively practice law. He’s a hack.
Here’s what the paper says in it’s conclusion:
“The history of the Snail Darter evokes many reasons why it is prudent to place the delimitation of potentially distinct, at-risk lineages in a comparative context, using previously delimited taxonomic units. Our reference-based delimitation strategy avoids the over-splitting of taxonomic units that might occur to justify targets of biological conservation, facilitating the allocation of resources where they will make the greatest impact in protecting imperiled lineages. It has the equally strong potential to discover unrecognized biodiversity and to draw attention to newly discovered at-risk species needing federal protection.”
No where does this paper say that the snail darter was a made up species in order to force wokeness down the throats of Americans, which is what he means in order to ‘gasm the hillbillies that read his garbage.
@Anonymous
You are kind of an idiot. 🙄🙄🙄
Most of this year’s disasters are naturally occurring events and are understood to be a risk to the population and their infrastructure. Two resent examples: the torrent of rain from a hurricane and the swelling of drainage channels causing overflowing banks and modification of drainage channels. The current event of a raging fire in a metropolitan complex is really beyond belief.
I use those two examples to say: “How could any government allow these events to become disasters”. Then I turned to Eric Hoffer: “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket”, in addition: “An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head.”
The left has abandoned fact in pursuit of the perfect paradise!
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The Endangered Species Act of 1973 is unconstitutional and utterly bereft and devoid of any legal or constitutional basis.
Congress has no Article 1, Section 8, enumerated power to regulate species.
Citizens enjoy the freedom of speech, the right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
No entity has the power to deny and violate the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
The singular American failure is the continuing existence of the racist neo-communist Democratic Party even after their progression from simple racism to neo-communist Soviet “Progressivism”.
Fixed your daily Leninist-communist byline for you George , you vicious lying Marxist thug.
The USSR spy who defected, Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov warned us about fraudulent “constitutionalist” commies like you, George, back when many of us were well into our work careers. That was before you were having your first Democrat wet dreams about your Democrat heroes like George Wallace and his best friend young Senator Joe Biden.
At least sign an organ donor so we can hope you make some marginal contribution to this great country at some point in your otherwise meaningless failure of a life.
Yuri Bezmenov – A Brief Summary Of Communist Ideological Subversion As Used By American Communists Like George
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJnRmvqTdEQ
FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Communist Subversion
Good five minute summary –
This is what I meant yesterday when I referred to the strange suicide of California.
Same in Europe. There’s a book called that written by a Scottish guy.
Yes, Douglas Murray, The Strange Death of Europe – dealing with immigration and Islamicization of the continent.
Celebrities with many real-estate portfolios, domestic & offshore will simply relocate else ware.
One teacher with a vast real estate portfolio who was interviewed during the fires said, in a video from that domicile, that her husband had a separate home in Ojai, a beautiful wealthy vacation resort venue between Pacific Palisades and Santa Barbara. It’s good to be King?
Wait, I think I saw a Darter or something in a mud puddle at the end of my driveway last year. Does this mean that I can get free stuff from the Government? Where do I sign up?
Don’t worry, Trump is going to eliminate inflation on January 20th and soon you’ll be buying a new house and new car, just like he said in rally after rally, lol.
I have a copy of this book, The Disaster Lobby, from 1973. You can still find copies. Here is a speech by one of the authors, fwiw:
https://fee.org/articles/the-disaster-lobby/
I do not agree with everything the dude says, but he does make some good points.
If the world can proceed without the dinosaurs, it can proceed without the fanciful snail darter…
oh, and the enviro-wackjob lunatics.
C’est la vie!
Watched part of Jimmy Carter’s funeral and couldn’t help noticing the extreme contrasts between Carter and Trump, who showed up–why? I cannot fathom any reason other than the fact that cameras would be there and no one can tell Trumpy Bear not to come somewhere where he can get attention. Trump had to be in hell because he wasn’t the center of attention, and it had to have occurred to him that when he finally goes, no one will speak of him like those who eulogized Jimmy Carter–praising him for his devotion to his wife; Trump’s on his 3rd marriage, to someone young enough to be his daughter, a former nude model, with only a high school education whom he met at a party where high-fashion models went to troll for rich men– and he has cheated on her with a nude model and porn actress. Carter was praised for his military service–he attended Annapolis and served on the first nuclear submarine. Trump was a draft-dodger who faked nonexistent bone spurs and who referred to our military members as “suckers and losers”; he is threatening to use our military against American citizens and wouldn’t rule out using our military to go against our allies, like Denmark. Carter was praised by Mondale’s family–Mondale was his VP. Trump sat by for over 3 hours while an angry mob of his supporters hunted Pence, his VP, intending to lynch him because Pence couldn’t be bullied to refuse to accept the certified vote totals from the 2020 election. Carter was praised by the son of Gerald Ford, a former rival, with whom he became good friends after they left office. They had a pact to each write a eulogy for the other. Steve Ford read Gerald’s eulogy for Jimmy, which brought tears to my eyes. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris doing this? In fact, Trump doesn’t have any real friends because a narcissist is not friend material–they use people to get what they want. And, I wonder where the real POTUS–Elon Musk was. Carter was praised for his religious devotion, teaching Sunday School for decades. I doubt that Trump even has a clue what Sunday School is, much less the purpose for it and the lessons that are taught. Carter was praised for his integrity, patriotism and devotion to family–none of these things applies to Trump. Trump and his uneducated former nude model wife were out of place in a church. They don’t belong there, and they looked uncomfortable.
Tump was there as a former president, just like Obama.
Trump cheated his way into office in 2016, lied to get into office in 2024, started an insurrection when he lost in 2020, is a convicted felon and an adjudicated sexual assaulter, a thief and racist. NO ONE would have missed him if he didn’t show up–NO ONE. Trump doesn’t stand on tradition or ceremony–when he lost in 2020, he refused to attend Biden’s inauguration or to welcome him and Jill to the White House. So, please don’t cite precedent or principles of comity when it comes to Trump.
You POS. Can’t you just hold your stupid vitriol for one moment while we talk about SNAIL DARTERS
It is not vitriolic to point out FACTS. Trump does not belong in any church or in the company of former Presidents for all of the reasons I set out. And, as a matter of fact, he has, at one time or another, insulted almost every former and current governmental official who was there and who DID respect Jimmy Carter–Hillary and Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, and Joe and Jill Biden. Trump did NOT respect Jimmy Carter, lacks the integrity and character of Jimmy Carter and can never match any of his accomplishments–so WHY be a hypocrite and attend the funeral, other than for the attention or to try to pretend that he has validity–which he does not, and never will have. Trump is the antithesis of what Jimmy Carter stood for–honesty, decency, patriotism, and devotion to country and family. Trump couldn’t even control his base narcissistic tendencies in the wake of the California wild fires, which included devastating loss of property and lives–lying about Gov. Newsom refusing some kind of water supply plan–which isn’t true–and calling him “Newscum”.
Never miss an opportunity to remain silent so your biased ignorance and stupidity are not on display.
if they didnt post so often their ignorance would go unnoticed
If you call yourself a Christian, then what you just wrote goes against the command to not judge others.
Saying someone doesn’t “belong in any church” is setting yourself up as God himself, deciding who is worthy to sit in church and who is not.
There is no worse sin in fact. Christ pointed out that in the parable of the prodigal son, out of the two, the prodigal and the elder brother , it was the elder brother “in whom was the greater sin”, by judging his younger brother when the father (representing God in the parable) had welcomed him.
The younger son had neither repented or changed his ways, he merely decided that living in a hogs pen was worse than working as a servant for his Dad, so he headed home. His Dad met him before he even got home, and welcomed him warmly, but like you with Trump, the elder brother criticized and judged his errant brother and in so doing Christ said in him remains the “greater sin”. The sin of self righteousness and the sin of judging where only God can judge.
Trump may be loud, obnoxious, very unpresidential-like and wholly unacceptable to some of you as a dinner guest. But Christ dined with the sinners, the politicians, the harlots and corrupt. Christ saw past the sins into the souls.
And like it or not, God has clearly called Trump to this role, whether for good or bad remains to be seen but God’s clearly called him. When Trump turned his head missing that bullet by centimeters, that was God. And Gods exposed the sins of the left who claim to do good but in secret enriched themselves and their cohorts at the expense of the people.
So like it or not, God has stood Trump back up into this role. For you to declare he’s not worthy of being in a church, is to set yourself up as God. And that’s a very unhealthy spiritually speaking, place to be.
Chris: I don’t know what version of the Bible you read–but in the version of the New American Bible, approved the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the prodigal son demanded his inheritance that he blew on prostitutes and debauchery. He DID repent after losing everything and being consigned to care for swine (something very repugnant to Jews). After realizing that he was starving and had done wrong, he decided to return home, apologize to his father, tell him he didn’t deserve to be called his son, to beg forgiveness and to ask to come home for good and to be treated like a hireling. The point of the prodigal son parable is that God is always ready to forgive our sins, and that those who haven’t sinned will receive their reward as will those who repent and change their ways. The same message is in the parable about the man who hired men to work in his vineyard–he gave a full days’ wages to each of them, those hired last received the same as those who had put in a full days’ work. The owner of the vineyard explained that they weren’t getting cheated–that those who worked the full day received the wages that they had agreed to, and that if he is generous to those who did less work, that wasn’t taking anything away from those who worked all day.
I know it’s a MAGA media message, when Trump’s outrageousness and lying can’t be explained away as leftist rhetoric, to just say “well, he’s loud, obnoxious…., but he’s a good leader”. BS! Trump hasn’t asked for forgiveness–and never will, because he’s incapable of remorse. Someone who is never wrong never perceives any need to apologize. The bottom line is that Trump is severely defective as a person–he is a malignant narcissist — he has serious character flaws that are baked in to his personality. A personality disorder cannot be cured or treated with medications, and these are the kinds of people who are serial killers and child molesters. The person suffering from narcissism does not perceive any reason to change. Trump is not just loud, obnoxious, un-presidential–he is a liar, a con man, he disrespects everyone, especially women, including his wives, his own VP, his political opponents–anyone who doesn’t kiss his ring. He is vengeful and believes that the US government exists to make him look good, to help him reward his donors and to provide a means to push around world leaders as an expression of his massive ego. It’s not being judgmental to observe these things about him. He did not belong at Jimmy Carter’s funeral, and neither did his 3d wife. He did not respect Jimmy Carter or the things Jimmy Carter stood for. He didn’t respect the other former presidents and government officials who were there to honor Jimmy Carter. Trump didn’t belong.
And, God didn’t “call Trump” to be president any more than God called Hitler to be the fuehrer of Germany–that was the work of the devil. God didn’t tell Trump to lie to voters about bringing down the cost of groceries, to lie about Kamala Harris and insult her, to kill the border security bill, to lie about migrants killing and eating peoples’ pets or the other lies he told. The bullet missing Trump wasn’t the work of God, any more than the mutliple failed attempts to kill Hitler were God’s handiwork–Hitler also believed that God was on his side when multiple assassination attempts failed, and he was wrong, and so are you. You have to be some kind of delusional religious zealot to believe that God has anything to do with Trump.
“to care for swine (something very repugnant to Jews)”
Gigi, you are so ignorant and have such a big mouth. Swine are not repugnant to Jews. They are considered ritually impure. However humans like you can be addressed as swine which is something most normal people stay away from.
Did you ever read the Bible story about the mother and her seven sons who died horrible deaths, starting with cutting out their tongues and severing their private parts, and then frying them in a frying pan because they not only refused to eat pork but to wouldn’t even fake eating it by really eating beef? 2 Maccabees Chapter 7. Swine are indeed repugnant to Jews, but that isn’t the point of the parable. You MAGAs are pathetic.
WOW. Gigi has the tongue of a snail darter. In and out, in and out, like a snake.
I saw God turn his head the very SECOND a high powered rifle slug was about to explode his brain.
So YES, I would think anyone seeing that would have to be pretty dense to think that was not some kind of divine intervention.
And as for “repent”. What sins are you declaring him guilty of where he needs to ask YOUR forgiveness? Or anyone elses?
And no, the prodigal was just miserable. He hadn’t learned much yet, he just knew he was broke, destitute and was concerned for his PHYSICAL WELL BEING. So he decided to ask his fathers forgiveness and work as a servant. That’s not exactly repentance.
As for which version, I read the King James, the NIV, the Amplified version, among others.
But the points moot. I should have known in your typical trolling nature you’d fixate on a tidbit to argue, instead of addressing the MEAT of what I said.
I should have known you’d merrily troll it away, instead of addressing what I actually said.
Peter was foul mouthed and loud, brash and obnoxious. Paul was a Pharisee, murdering Christians before his conversion. He made a lot of mistakes during his conversion too. And while Peter converted, it took him YEARS to learn to tame his tongue and grow in the rock Jesus named him after. Many of the apostles were corrupt and foul. Matthew was a hated tax collector, who consorted with criminals and robbed the poor. Would you like him? I doubt it. I wouldn’t. But God chose him anyway.
The point is simple. You’re setting yourself up as judge, SPIRITUAL judge over another human being, and that is Gods role alone.
So doesn’t matter which bible you read, they all same thing in regards to that.
JUDGE NOT.
That’s the commandment. And yet here you are, …saying he doesn’t belong in a church.
That’s the greater sin, regardless of what he’s done.
Thank you
God did not call Trump any more than he called you.
That does not stop plenty of people from beleiving they were called.
MANY people beleive they can see the hand of god in what happens in the world.
Had Trump not turned his head to look at the screen he would be dead.
It is easy to see things like that as the hand of god.
And many believe god works that way.
Both saints and sinners beleive that.
God does not have anything to do with Trump, With Musk, With Carter, with Mother Theresa, with Hitler.
While I beleive in god, and beleive we are called to a virtuous and PRODUCTIVE life.
I do not beleive that god plays an active role in the affairs of man.
That is MY beleif.
It is NOT Jimmy Carters,
It is not Donald Trump’s.
and I do not beleive it is yours.
I can not prove that I am right, or that you are wrong.
You can not prove you are right and I am wrong.
Most of us respect your right to hold opinions that we believe are wrong – and even spray us with facts that are pure nonsense.
But your ranting about the objective truth of what are merely opinions and your hatred of those who hold different opinions is vile and immoral.
You ARE the hateful hating hater you constantly rail about.
have a happy and healthy DJT 2.0
@Gigi It is not vitriolic to point out FACTS. Trump does not belong in any church
What’s factual is that you are a perfect blend of hypocrisy and complete amorality along with vitriol. Your one and only operating principle is this:
Will All Of You Please Believe Me Instead Of Believing Your Lying Eyes?™
While you pretend you don’t know Joe Biden was raping his teenage daughter in the shower and then going to attend Catholic Mass. Can Trump go to the same Biden church?
While you pretend you don’t know Obama was going to his Baptist church while knowing his personally invited bestie house guest Harvey Weinstein was a serial rapist and pedophile.
While you pretend you don’t that Jimmy Carter as deacon of his Baptist church while running for president refused to allow black Americans to enter that church. Trump okay for that church?
It always comes back to the only thing resulting from your Gigi Fire Ho Of Lies: you have ZERO credibility here. So why do you put such a massive personal effort into 100% failure?
Old Airborne Dog
Gigi, NO ONE there matches the integrity and character of Jimmy Carter.
Gigi,
California is burning. While occasional fires are inevitable, it is self-evident that California is unprepared for predictable problems and has focussed its attention on the wrong problems. It has spent 120B on a train that has never and will never carry a passenger. No track has been laid, no stations build no cars started.
It has spent $30B to build housing for the homeless – the money is gone and there is not a single apartment.
Managing forests is not rocket science. Nature actually does it perfectly fine without human help. But today – after a century of bad and worsening forestry policy,
California is burning.
Most of us do NOT have that much sympathy. Just as we have little sympathy for those who drive drunk and wreck their cars.’
California is going to demand and get Billions in disaster funds.
Yet this is a disaster of California’s own making. It is not a natural disaster – it is a man made one.
I can list the numerous government failures that have mede this happen,
But that is not necescary.
It should be self evident to most that fires in California are inevitable. But that Government CAN be prepared to be able to fight them, and to be able to contain them.
Lightning strikes in dry forests will cause fires – Even in Alaska where things are not so dry – a massive amount of Forrest catches fire each year. Humans do not cause that, and the damage is limited – because there are few people.
California has two seasons – not 4. It has the rainy season and the dry season.
During the dry season the forest is a tinderbox – the whole world knows that. It is not a secret.
What can be done ?
Forests can be thined, underbrush removed. Areas can be clear cut creating barriers to the spread of fires, compent people can be hired as forest fighters.
Turns out there are things that Toxic masculinity is an actual requirement for.
Water lines and fire hydrants can be maintained. The cost is small – a tiny portion of what is spent on non existant homes for the homeless.
Is Gov. Newsom responsible ? Yes as well as the entirety of CA Government that is fixated on all the wrong nonsense.
Nature does not ask your pronouns before it burns your house to the ground.
I would note that Much of proper forest management occurs naturally – so long as government is not involved.
The US has millions of acres of Forest under private ownership and management, These produce our paper, and our lumber.
They are harvested every year.
Nearly all consequential forest fires occur on government land.
Why ? Because government is the worst steward of nature there is.
Private land owners care for their land – because it and the trees etc on it have value.
They harvest some for profit, But they manage the land so that there will be more ready to harvest next year.
They manage the land to avoid fires or keep them small, because a burned forest has no value.
How did JFK, LBJ, and LGB (i.e. “Let’s Go Brandon”) get into office?
Seems to me I recall a photo op of the prior Presidents a few years back of which Carter and Clinton were both present. Carter refused to stand next to Clinton for the picture. He found Clinton immoral and completely devoid of integrity and character. Must run in the Clintoon family. So what is it about Trump’s presence as President elect would any idiot not understand? A National event including all Presidents to honor the second worst President in US history is expected?
JFK got help “fixing” 1960 from Joe Kennedy’s Mob friends, LBJ, AWD, GHWB, MOB, CIA, FBI et al. killed JFK, and LGB stole 2020 as demonstrated by the 2024 Trump Landslide!
Floyd, children like routine. This child may be tired or hungry. Because of her age she may be bored. A walk would be good. Breakfast and then a walk, perhaps play at the park. Lunch and then nap. Poor child…
To both above. I would get past your biased hatred of one individual. Life is to short and wonderful.
Gerald: you cannot love America and not be repulsed by Trump–it’s not possible. He stands for nothing related to American values–honesty, integrity, altruism, devotion to family. Trump doesn’t even respect our millitary. He does not respect the rule of law. He exists to feed that massive ego–and nothing, literally, nothing, matters more than that. He is incapable of telling the truth and everything he says and does is all about him, him HIM. He’s actually complaining because flags will be flown at half-staff for his inauguration, consistent with the longstanding practice of flying flags at half-staff for 30 days after the funeral of a former president. You cannot be a religious person of any stripe and not be repulsed by Trump–it’s not possible–if you believe in a supreme being and the values that go with such faith, like honesty, care for others, etc. Trump is selfish, a liar, a womanizer, a racist, xenophobe, a criminal, arrogant, and a thief. It is NOT biased to point out these FACTS. His presence at Jimmy Carter’s funeral was a farce. He and his former nude model 3d wife didn’t belong in the company of decent respectable people who came to honor the memory and accomplishments of a wonderful, patriotic person like Jimmy Carter. MAGA media might have helped spread the lies that got him elected, but they can’t whitewash the truth about his lack of character and anything resembling a soul.
you are a total moron leave our great nation ASAP
@Gigi: you’re watching those who respond to your rage and then sometimes respond i.e. Gerald: Gerald: you cannot love America and not be repulsed by Trump–it’s not possible.
Gigi, you cannot love America and not be repulsed by Biden when you know full well he was raping his teenage daughter as well as his aid – it is not possible to then vote for that rapist as president as America
We await your response to Gerald and the rest of us to explain why you love and support Biden rather than be repulsed by him as you apparently are by Trump.
Tom: Biden’s daughter and Tara Reade never claimed that Biden raped them. You made that up, based on lies and conspiracy theories you got from MAGA media.
I believe the term from Tara Reade was he digitally penetrated her womanhood. Whereas Bill Clinton was reported to have forcibly raped Juanita Brodderick and bit her lower lip in the assault. She actually remembered the date, the location and had supporting witnesses of the Governor’s actions.
“Tom: Biden’s daughter and Tara Reade never claimed that Biden raped them.”
Gigi: In the case of Tara Reade, it doesn’t have to be the famous Biden Daddy Hammer used to penetrate Tara Reade to be rape. Just as it didn’t need to be the Daddy Hammer that Joe used in the shower repeatedly on daughter Ashley.
But you told us that you were a lawyer – how did you not know that??? You have thrown your Internet law degree into question!
Dare we ask you how it isn’t at the very least criminal child abuse of a teenager for Daddy to force his way on his daughter’s showers? Dear Ashley wrote that she thinks she became a drug addict, felon, and sexual pervert due to her father forcing these showers on her and her mother allowing her father to do so.
And of course, if Biden’s church accepts fathers sexually abusing their daughters by doing that to their teenage daughters?
Or is the claim going to be that Ashley forced the Father Of The Year join her for those showers?
Two Women Speak Out to Confirm Parts of Joe Biden Accuser’s Story, Which He Denies
https://people.com/politics/2-women-speak-out-to-support-parts-of-joe-biden-accuser/
You forgot to mention no alcohol, drugs or tobacco in his life and a good father. That disgusting perv! How dare he.
Good father? Are you kidding? You think that someone who disrespected all 3 mothers of his children by flaunting his sexual liaisons with other women is “a good father”? A “good father” sets an example for his children–by being honest, teaching values like respect for the rule of law, respect for other people and to apologize when
you are wrong and to make amends. A “good father” does not brag about grabbing women by their genitals, does not consort with a nude model and porn actress, brag about the size of his junk, fellate a microphone, does not talk about the genitals of a deceased golfer, does not make up insulting names for world leaders, like “little Rocket Man”, or lie, lie, lie to get what he wants–as, for example, claiming he could immediately bring down the high cost of groceries. A “good father” does not sit idly by for over 3 hours while his fans who believed his lie about a nonexistent victory being stolen by fraud attacked the Capitol, defecated and urinated inside our Capitol, who were hunting for the VP, intent on lynching them, and while Capitol Police Officers were battered, beaten, lost fingers, lost an eye, and some committed suicide due to the pain of their injuries which they incurred in the defense of the Capitol and protection of members of Congress and for which they never received proper recognition or an apology. A “good father” does not call migrants “rapists, murderers, criminals or animals” because a “good father” teaches their children to respect the dignity and worth of all people, especially the disadvantaged. A “good father” does not sexually assault a woman and then defame her, does not falsify business records to cover up payoffs to a nude model and porn actress”, does not steal from a charitable foundation, steal classified documents or falsify loan documents. A malignant narcissist, whose entire existence exists to feed his own ego, cannot be a “good father”. The test for being a “good father” has nothing to do with whether someone is a teetotaler or non smoker or user of tobacco products.
Gigi wants to talk about what a “good father” is, while she nominates President Biden and First Babysitter Jill as Father and Mother of the Year.
As you’re now a family analyst as well as a lawyer and registered nurse, can we get your views on what kind of Mom and Dad raise not one, but TWO felon drug addicts and sex perverts convicted as felons? Biden Family Values?
Trump has three divorces and all of his children by all those wives are successful – the Biden’s raised three corrupt children, two of whom were convicted felons, drug addicts, and sex perverts.
The Father Of The Year having to give Sonny a blanket pardon covering every crime known and unknown for a ten year period going back to the day of his first joint family diplomatic/family business trip with Dear Old Dad on Airforce Two as part of Biden White House Crime LLC.
No American ever heard the Father of the Year say his son did nothing wrong, the smartest person he’s ever met: The Bagman Formerly Known As The Crackhead Kid.
A son the Father Of The Year knew who is boning his sister in law (while Joe had the Daddy Hammer in the shower with his daughter) before his brother’s body is cold in the ground and turning her into a drug addict and criminal like himself. Nothing wrong with that.
Nobody with Biden Family Values ever told Americans there was nothing wrong with The First Felon Crackhead Son recruited his little sister Ashley to be his personal pimp!
A son who got thrown OUT of the military as a drug addict – saved from charges and a federal prison through White House intervention for a resignation instead. Nothing wrong with that!
GIRLLLL… and real Mommy’s who were candidates for Mother Of The Year wouldn’t repeat that claim Sonny did nothing wrong.
Unless the Biden Mother Of The Year was also a pervert, still with their pervert husband. Despite that Mommy’s daughter fondly called her husband “President Daddy-Daughter Inappropriate Incest Showers”.
The First Babysitter claims she doesn’t know that her husband was showing her daughter Ashley the Biden Daddy Hammer in the shower? Really?
Mothers Of The Year don’t mind Fathers Of The Year showing their teenage daughter the famous Biden Daddy Hammer in the shower! A proud Mommy like you could also be proud remaining married to that OTHER Father Of The Year, President Daddy-Daughter Inappropriate Incest Showers.
GIRRRRLLLLLLL !!!! Let’s hear it for believing The First Felon Crackhead Son when he called his step-Mommy The First Babysitter “a controlling whore”!
And while we’re at it, let’s believe every single one of those private emails from the Crackhead Kid’s Biden Bribery Laptop, between him and The Mother And Father Of The Year who raised two drug addict sexual perverts!
Yes let’s celebrate the Biden Father And Mother Of The Year. Parents willing to support their sex pervert drug addict son by willingly agreeing to pretend his child, their granddaughter, born out of wedlock didn’t exist.
Give us your views on those family values.
Gigi, do you have any inkling of an idea of why the parents of this country kicked your DEI Hire to the curb, just as they were about to do with your Biden Father Of The Year and Mother Of The Year?
All the receipts in the form of emails, texts, recorded phone messages, etc is in that Biden Bribery Laptop that you posed for, Gigi. Hunter Biden made you famous in that laptop; I’m not sure your efforts here are going to help you retain that notoriety.
Hunter Biden Laptop Online
https://bidenreport.com/#p=231
Given the explicit nature of the text and pictures of the Biden Laptop, this online version of the laptop
contents is for an adult readership only.
ISBN: 978-1-7371866-3-2
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Old Airborne Dog
“Good father? Are you kidding?”
I think that someone who has raised alot of kids who have all turned out well. Who have all been decent and successful,
Who are not drug addicts and panderers is a good father.
“A “good father” sets an example for his children–by being honest, teaching values like respect for the rule of law, respect for other people and to apologize when
you are wrong and to make amends. ”
Correct, you constantly claim Trump is not these things, but the evidence is the country.
It is not Trump that has abridged the rule of law.
You do not seem to get – the rule of law is a standard for the conduct of those in GOVERNMENT.
The Rule of law exists when you do not sic the DOJ on your political enemies,
When you do not manufacture crimes.
The rule of law is when you do NOT prosecute people for saying a payment to a lawyer is a legal expense.
It is when you do not prosecute people for saying go to the capitol and peacefully and patriotically protest.
Lawlessness is when you sell whatever public power you have for personal and family benefit.
“does not consort with a nude model”
Honestly ? Are you going there ? aren’t you the one claiming that Melania is a nude model ?
A good father is not determined by what YOU do not like about what he says.
A good father is one who raises decent honest children who do not have drug and alcohol problems and are capable of being successful on their own in life.
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“you cannot love America and not be repulsed by Trump”
Of course you can.
I would note that the majority of US voters believe Trump stands for America, and our values.
Veterans, soldiers and law enforcement voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
I think THEY get to decide whether Trump respects them and shares their values – not you.
Regardless the claims that Trump is a coward died at Bulter.
Despite the Lawfare you through at him an loonies trying to assassinate him he continued his run for president.
That is courage.
What does Trump stand for ?
Jobs for the people who were born here.
The opportunity for people to succeed on their merits not based on their choice of pronouns.
Trump is serially monogamous. That is unusual – though increasingly less so.
That said he is undeniably and incredibly devoted to family.
It has been a LONG time since a president and their family have been this close.
His family has been incredibly active in the campaign, in the business, and in his role as presidency.
Further unlike Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Biden his family has NOT be an embarrassment to him or the nation.
They are not drug addicts, alcoholics and crooks. While they were born with a silver spoon – like Trump himself, they have turned it into platinum.
The universal success of each of his children is extremely unusual. And it is what americans aspire too.
By claiming trump is not altruistic you prove you know nothing about him. The evidence is available if you want it.
What Trump does NOT do is wear his charity on his sleave.
As to integrity – YOU have proven Trump’s integrity.
Your claim of criminality is that he called payments to a lawyer legal expenses.
That asking people to protest patriotically and peacefully is incitement to riot,
YOU claims of his criminality failed to p[ass the smell test. If they had had the tiniest odor or actual corruption he would not be president.
How does Trump not respect the rule of law ?
Did he unleash the DOJ on political opponents over manufactured claims of criminality that no one can see ?
Sorry Gigi it is YOU that do not respect the rule of law.
It is not Trump spying on political opponents.
It is not Trump spying on american citizens whose values he does not like.
It is not Trump using government power to target people because of their religious beleifs.
It is not Trump using government power to censor others speach.
It is not Trump tossing out the rules of elections and making new ones up as he goes.
These and myriads of other violations of the rule of law are YOURS.
You claim that many things are impossible – that are without any doubt true.
You have no understanding of other people – not Trump, not his supporters, not those who voted for him,
Not conservatives, not people with religious values.
You also do not understand as YOU destroyed american values – you do not get to decide that your political oponents must continue to adhere to the standards YOU destroyed.
It is not Trump that was felated in the Oval office.
It is not Trump who sold the office of Senator, VP and president tot he highest bidder.
It is not Trump that weaponized government against political enemies even ordinary people.
It is not Trump that was showering with his teenage daughter.
We KNOW how Trump made his fortune.
Where did that of Pelosi, Biden, Obama, Clinton come from ?
What have they produced of value EVER ?
You rant because Trump sells sneakers and bibles.
What is it that Pelosi, or Obama, or Clinton or Niden ever produce ?
You are free to buy Trump bibles or not.
What vice do we have in those who have sold government power and influence for personal profit ?
Gigenius, you do know you’re insane? Are you locked up? Hospital or prison?
Trump cheated his way into office in 2016, lied to get into office in 2024
@Gigi: Your Soviet Democrat presidential candidates have a record over the last three elections of 1-2 when looking at their record of lying and cheating to win the presidency. A loss in 2016, a win in 2020 – and now a devastating loss in 2024.
Gigi, you should be VP DEI Hire Harris “Joyful”now, rather bitter, spiteful, and leaking vitriol out of every money-earning hole in your body. Succeeding in one out of three attempted stolen elections ain’t bad!
You claim Biden DIDN’T lie and cheat his way into office in 2020 by consistently and regularly lying to voters he wasn’t a corrupt Vice President – he repeatedly assured us knew absolutely nothing while VP about the identity of his son’s ChiCom and Putin government customers? You know, the Sgt Shutz from ‘Hogan’s Heros’ routine.
You claim Biden DIDN’T lie and cheat his way into office in 2020 by sending the former Obama/Biden apparatchik and now Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to recruit CIA and other intelligence officials to lie that the Bribery Biden laptop was to be ignored by voters as “Russian election campaign disinformation”?
You claim Biden DIDN’T lie and cheat his way into office in 2020 by sending his employee (and also fellow unindicted felon Democrat lawyer) Marc Elias of ‘Trump-Russia Dossier’ infamy and 2016 failure into battleground states to get cherry-picked judges and bureaucrats to selectively change election laws in those states in violation of the Constitution?
You claim Biden DIDN’T lie and cheat his way into office in 2020 by getting nearly half a trillion Zuckerbucks carefully dumped into battleground states? But only into the districts that reliably voted Democrat to “get out the vote”!
When you look at how many votes in total Biden narrowly won those states by… how many tens of thousands does that work out to spending to buy each one of those critical winning votes? Here, let me help you figure out the new math on that:
According to your friends at NPR celebrating after the 2020 election, that Zuckerbucks effort alone cost $10,454 for each of those 44,000 votes. And all that Zuckerburg got for those FEC crimes was a slap on the wrist fine! Imagine if his name was Trump and he did that in New York with your favorite judges and prosecutors.
So, please don’t cite precedent or principles of comity when it comes to Trump.
No, we will – you don’t make the rules for us, you vicious whore. You get to lie and perform your political theater here, but you don’t get to make the rules.
We will cite that history and precedent and shove it down your lying mouth that used to give massages behind the local bars at five dollars a job.
You fear facts, history and precedent because they show everybody exactly what you are Gigi, you Fire Ho Of Democrat Lies.
Old Airborne Dog
All these idiotic claims have been debunked over and over.
Grow up.
Get over it.
Trump is president – or will be in a few days.
He will be president because a majority wanted that.
And because a supermajority did not want Harris or Biden or any other woke idiots.
If as you claim – Biden actually won in 2020 – then almost 10M Biden voters sat out 2024 – if they were real in the first place.
“NO ONE would have missed him if he didn’t show up”
Possibly, nor would we have missed the other ex-presidents. Carter’s funeral was about Jimmy Carter. Ex Presidents were there as a sign of respect for Carter.
He was a good though not great president – with piss poor support from his own party. But he is this countries greatest ex-president.
Donald Trump was President of the United States and will be President of the United States. We honor the office of the President. Jimmy Carter was a great man. He was an ineffective President. We had double digit interest rates, there were no jobs to be found, the United States was daily humiliated by the Iranian militants who had our embassy workers as hostage. Our military operation to rescue them was botched and huge embarrassment, especially in the post-Vietnam era.
I know how things were as a young person. I had to take a less than desirable job in order to keep food on the table and the rent paid. There was no “whipped cream on our strawberries” so to speak. Buying a 50 cent cup of coffee per day would have sunk my budget.
He was honest, well meaning, and accomplished, a man of integrity, a member of the Greatest Generation. However, he lacked the administrative experience to run a nation. He was a tireless worker but that was not enough to run such a complex operation as the most powerful nation on earth. He told us that America’s best days were behind us. Russia sensed his weakness and invaded Afghanistan.
I was entering the job market when Carter was President. Home interest rates were in the mid teens. Car loans were in the mid to upper teens. These rates caused my brother’s business to fail. How can a business pay 18% interest? The day Reagan came into office, the Iranians released the hostages, he brought hope that things would be better. He told us we could do better.
Unlike Carter, Joe Biden does not know how to keep his word. He consistently lies. Now, a few days to go before he leavea office, Joe Biden will take Air Force One to Italy to see the Pope. It costs 200,000 per hour to operate Air Force One. Why? For what purpose? This 10+ million dollar final vacation will come straight from the tax payer pocket. He is a grifter. He could do this on his own dime. Kamala Harris has plans to travel to Singapore, Bahrain and Germany during these final days. Why? This trip will cost the tax payers 20+ million dollars. Again, if she wants to go, that’s great. She can do it on her own dime, not ours.
I respect Jimmy Carter. He was a Christian, a believer in our Lord Jesus Christ and he was one who put that faith into action because of his deep convictions and the love of God that was (and is still) in his heart. I thought his service was excellent and a testimony of a life well lived.
There were lots of reasons for the economic issues when Carter was President–and blaming him for them is misplaced. Jimmy Carter graduated from Annapolis and was a naval officer. He was also Governor of the State of Georgia, so you are incorrect in claiming he lacked administrative experience. It was the Iran hostage crisis that doomed a second term for Carter. And, MAGA media lies to you if they are claiming that some “weakness” emboldened Russia to invade Afghanistan, just like they lie when they echo Trump’s lies about Biden’s “weakness” being the cause of Hamas attacking Israel and Putin invading Ukraine. You need to stop watching MAGA media, which apparently failed to tell you that Joe Biden cancelled his trip to Italy for an audience with the Pope yesterday because of the California wildfires that Trump used to attack Gov. Newsom by lying about him cancelling some water diversion plan. Gov Newsom cancelled a tunnel project that Gov. Jerry Brown had passed as a means for salmon to travel for spawning purposes. Trump confused some proposed water plan of his with this plan. Speaking of weakness, there’s nothing weaker than someone who just can’t stop lying, who isn’t man enough to face a judge to be sentenced on 34 felony counts that he’s already been told won’t result in a prison sentence or even a fine, and who uses every legal trick in the book to delay trials on crimes for which he has been indicted. A real man faces the consequences of his conduct–a coward does not.
You mean like Hunter or like Bill Clinton the true predator and rapist?
I had the privilege of visiting and Iran before the revolution and Afghanistan three times before the Russian invasion, albeit not in an official capacity. In fact, I was in Tehran when Carter won the Presidential election.
I experienced the Carter Presidency first hand. He was not equal to the task nor is our current and exiting President. Our enemies can smell weakness.
The rest of the world, especially the Mideast and Eastern cultures cannot be understood in a modern Western mindset. President Bush learned that the hard way. Many lives were lost, the Mideast was destabilized and trillions of dollars wasted.
Unfortunately, many of the world’s leaders are not nice people. They respect power. We experienced that during Reagan years when he went toe to toe with the Soviets and the Iron Curtain came tumbling down.
The American people obviously have had their fill of this current madness. They voted and the majority legitimately elected Donald Trump to be our next President.
Gigi, you are correct with respect to Carter and Economic issues. Though you miss that Carter not only did not cause the economic problems he inherited – he is responsible for starting the US down the path to curing them.
Carter – not Reagan STARTED the process of ending the Keynesian economic nonsense that lead to high inflation and high unemployment – and high interest rates were a part of the PAINFUL and NOT QUICK fix.
Carter – Not Reagan or Trump are the most deregulatory presidents in US history.
Carter attempted to bring military and ALL government spending in line
Carter STARTED the process of US energy independence – though the idiocy at his funeral that he was some Climate Change nut job was ludicrous.
The term climate change had not been born. Academia was more affraid of cooling from particulates.
And efforts to end US dependence on oil stemmed from the mideast and the mistaken malthusian Hubbert Peak Oil nonsense that has permeated the world for a century,
It had NOTHING to do with the modern idiocy of global warming.
But Carter Botched handling Iarn and Botched Afghanistan as well – though that was less consequential.
Just as Ukraine is NOT in the US national interests today – as much as I hope the Ukrainians kick Putins ass, Afghanistan has never been in US interests.
Those mistakes – particularly the Iranian hostage crisis along with Volkers austerity measures which Carter courageously adopted lead to his loss to Reagan
Biden’s weakness and NUMEROUS bad policy choices are responsible for the debacle in afghanistant, Ukraine and Israel.
Though oddly – his mistake may ULTIMATELY prove beneficial.
Israel has kicked ass all over the mideast. Iran is severly disempowwered. HOPEFULLY Turkey and a rising ISIS well check each other.
Putin has been severaly damaged by invading Ukrain.
And Biden’s continuation of Trumps Chinese tarrifs have seriously weakened China.
Trump inherits messes arround the world and within the country – but most will be easy to clean up.
Finally – you are just a moron if you are defending Newsom.
“Carter – Not Reagan or Trump are the most deregulatory presidents in US history.”
Reagan decisively surpasses Carter in the deregulation race. Reagan’s solution was the free market ideas based on his ideological beliefs of reducing the role of government. Carter’s program was more limited in scope to specific areas with the desire to reduce inefficiencies.
With all due respect E.M. Carter was like all of us, a complex mixture of many things. But in public office he began as a racist and lived his life, certainly after his presidency, as an avowed Anti-Semitic who loathed and hated Israel to the point of defending Muslim terrorist groups that were murdering Americans as well as Israelis.
He wrote a book claiming Israel was committing genocide against the “Palestinians” – a nation and a people that as a former president he knew never existed as a nation or a demographic group.
I’m aware that Christians accept that all are sinners, that all fall along the way. But devoting so much time to being an active and committed anti-Semitic is a long, long way from the path that Jew Jesus Christ walked.
I respect his efforts like ‘Habitat For Humanity’. I will accept and respect he was trying to do his best in his failed presidency.
But I won’t respect such an active anti-Semitic to the end of his life as a man and human being.
Old Airborne Dog
You make a good point.
Couldn’t Carter have disagreed with Zionism without being an antisemite? Most Southern Baptists I know believe that Jews are the chosen people of God but they also believe they are responsible for the killing Jesus. Carter was a liberal humanitarian, I think he saw the other side of Israel on the Arab populace of the Middle East. Perhaps that’s what he did not abide with, who knows, he’s dead, doesn’t matter and it’s going to be a Chit Storm coming.
Likely, Carter was a theological antisemite. He may have believed that the Jews killed Jesus—something completely untrue—but such thoughts are difficult to discard when drilled in from birth. I also think he believed Christianity replaced Judaism. This replacement theology resonates with some Christians, who may become quite angry at Jews for rejecting Jesus, but not with Muslims, as Christians do not view themselves as having replaced Islam. Therefore, he might have found it easier to reconcile with Muslims than with Jews, as his expectations were different. To clarify my thinking, I have left out all political considerations.
Christians do not view themselves as having replaced Islam.
Judaism –> Christianity –> Islam
Islam did not replace Christianity
Christianity predates Islam
Jimmy Carter spoke at the University of Florida in the 1990s at the main auditorium where the public was invited to attend. I attended. I asked him a question during the Q&A session (IIRC I was first to the microphone) re: abortion. My question elicited a gasp from the audience, but my Catholic and Christian friends were excited. I asked him a sincere question (“how can you as a Christian support abortion? then I read a Scripture from the Old Testament). He did not like my question, he told me (and the audience) he disagreed with my interpretation of the Scripture, and took the new question.
The local newspaper covered Carter’s public presentation, and referenced me. The following day I went to the hospital in surgery, and the staff either shook my hand for daring to ask Carter that question, or some were very disappointed. Either way, it was my only experience with Carter, and one the stayed with me forever
“Islam did not replace Christianity
Christianity predates Islam”
Yes, that is correct, and I appreciate your clarification, which made my response more precise.
The Torah does not explicitly address abortion, so one must rely on the interpretations of Talmudic scholars, who analyze various sections of the Torah that deal indirectly with the complexities and nuances of the issue. I’ve attended such discussions, and they are often challenging, as they ultimately involve a deep moral debate about the murder or killing of a child in the womb. This is a complex and sensitive subject that covers many aspects.
Personally, I do not support abortion and consider it a sin. However, I acknowledge that there are exceptions to every rule, and these exceptions often come with significant emotional and moral pain.
Your question of Carter was reasonable. What was the passage you quoted?
Your question of Carter was reasonable. What was the passage you quoted?
I was in my 20s, working with cardiothoracic surgeons in the Operating Room (OR) at the Univ of Florida, one of whom, the chief, was a former Lutheran minister. (I later attended medical school at UF until my near fatal head injury forced me to withdraw.) When I arrived to the OR the morning after Carter’s speech, it was then I learned that the Gainesville Sun, the local Gainesville, FL paper, covered Carter’s speech and that they had quoted my question to Carter, and characaterized me as a hostile questioner. It was the OR staff and surgeons that brought the issue up. Thus I went to my assigned heart room, and that I was working with the chief. As I entered the OR suite, masked, about to be gloved to assist at the table, everyone stopped talking b/c the Chief was about to say something. He looked over his eyeloops as I approached the OR stated and he stated, “well done. it took a lot of cojones to ask Carter that question. Very impressive”, and that was that.
Most of the surgical technicians / scrub techs, were black ladies, all Gospel, Bible believing, and they had always treated me well when working with them at the OR table, knowing my background. They too were supportive of the question I asked Carter, but again I asked the question for me given that my Catholicism is very important to me. It was the white liberals in the OR, the OR nurses, some scrub techs, female medical residents, that took umbrage with my question. One scrub tech in particular, one of the more talented ones, white liberal attractive young woman, decided to argue the Carter point in the OR hallway in front of everyone. I was taken aback by her aggressiveness and naturally I pushed back just as hard. She and I had worked together and we worked well.
The gist, in those days, for pro-aborts was “viability”. Thus she argued that the baby in-utero was not viable. By then there was a significant number of OR personnel in the hallway witnessing the exchange between this attractive popular scrub tech and me. These were individuals who were not working in an OR suite at that moment so that they had time to kill. I scoffed at the “viability” argument. I told her it was lame and dishonest, which seemed to get her going as well as some people watching in the hallway, particularly the female residents (surgical and anesthesia residents). When their furor reached fever pitch, I stated matter of factly, “if viability is your metric, then across the nation, all Opertating Rooms and all Emergency Departments should be closed. None of the people who come to us under emergent circumstances are viable. Trauma patients are not viable without our intervention. Thus, you are willing to let people die who sustained a gunshot wound, a lethal knife wound, a vehicular accident, because without our intervention they would die, meaning they are not viable”
The mental gymnastics they displayed were spectacular as expected. She became furious, I laughed, and soon people started to agree with me, while a few others refused to concede.
The entire abortion argument is so mired in double-speak, as I demonstrated with President Carter, that like most issues today, we can not have an honest conversation about it because language has become a tool, as philosopher Josef Piper argued, whom I referenced recently:
Abuse of Language, Abuse of Power Paperback
by Josef Pieper
https://www.amazon.com/Abuse-Language-Power-Josef-Pieper/dp/089870362X
You should know the OT quote I referenced:
Can a mother forget her infant,
be without tenderness for the child of her womb?
Even should she forget,
I will never forget you
Isaiah 49:15
The attractive, talented scrub tech who argued with me, later became my friend after the argument, then we dated, had a romantic relationship, and then she saved my life. She performed CPR while we attended an organ recital on campus at UF when I went into AFib, syncope, collapsed on the floor resulting in basilar skull fx, coma, hearing loss.
I returned to medical school much later but in Puerto Rico, as I have stated in the past
Disagreements about abortion should not lead to mortal combat. You never know how your opponent might become your friend, your romantic partner, or save your life
Search on the Gainesville Sun website for their article when President Jimmy Carter spoke there in the 1990s. You will find in that article my being referenced.
I approached the OR
statedtableI approached the OR table where the patient lays and surgery is performed
Your verse from Isaiah is touching and meaningful, but let me provide two ideas from the Torah.
Noah and his progeny are forbidden to murder or shed the blood of man; Genesis, but Talmudic scholars translate the wording as shed the blood of **man within man.** (a capital offense stated by one sage?) However, Exodus has a different take. If men inadvertently cause a woman to miscarry, they must compensate the woman as if the child were property.
Of course, both Biblical phrases require much interpretation, making the discussion more complex when other passages from the Torah are added to the discussion. However, when one reads the Torah as a whole, one recognizes that abortion is a grave decision that one should not take lightly.
One can conclude that to an observant Jew, abortion is generally forbidden but can be sacrificed for the mother’s life because the personhood of the mother is greater.
@S. Meyer: Likely, Carter was a theological antisemite.
How is it merely theological when he wrote and repeatedly said that Israel was committing both genocide and apartheid worse than South Africa in Gaza? Two years AFTER Israel forcibly removed every Israeli from Gaza, leaving everything they built behind to a monoculture of Arab Muslims. Not a single Jew left behind to play the part of the apartheid side in Gaza.
You need at least two races, two religions, etc before you can actually have apartheid, correct? One just doesn’t get it done.
After a four year presidency, all of his advisors, his travels there, claiming both genocide and apartheid was merely “theological”? That is completely contrary to well known facts at that time – facts Carter vigorously denied.
You’re going to need a lot more historical whitewash and a few sets of dragon wings to help that defense of Carter’s vicious anti-Semitism fly.
Was he also a theological racist when, as one of the deacons of his church while running for president, he refused admission of black Americans to his church?
Carter did good things during his post presidency. But you don’t get to retcon the remainder of his post presidency history.
There are more than a few well known Israeli and American Jews that pointed that out after the futile whitewash efforts began.
Old Airborne Dog
“How is it merely theological when he wrote “
Airborne, it wasn’t and I never said that theological antisemitism was the only cause. I believe theological antisemitism was born in him long before he was a politician. Antisemitic activism is frequently multifactorial.
Take note that at the end of my statement I said: “To clarify my thinking, I have left out all political considerations.”
@E.M. You make a good point.
Thank you. Perhaps my point is that, if Jimmy Carter truly was a committed Christian who attempted to live the life of his faith as a Christian, he didn’t have much fear of knowing that there would be a moment where he would have to stand before his Christian God and justify that life he lived of deliberate vicious Anti-Semitism – while at the same time he was defending and embracing murderous Islamic Arab terrorists.
The same would go for supposedly avowed Catholics Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi after spending years using the power of their political office to push for elective birth control abortions right up to the point of birth.
And the same could be said for Carter’s supposed fellow Baptist from the racist Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s congregation, Barack Obama.
All of these alleged faithful Democrat Christians are people who chose to put policies in place that they KNEW would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people abroad as well as here at home.
I’m an agnostic whose loving mother dragged me through various Christian churches while I was growing up. I didn’t mind the experience and I would reject anyone claiming I was harmed by it. I hold no negative feelings to those who still hold and attempt to live a Christian faith. Good on them; I wish I had that innate belief for support, rather than academic agreement of principles to try and live by. Those among my friends who are Christians I believe are happier persons because of their belief and trying to live that faith.
My views becoming agnostic came from years of adult life after church while growing up, possibly spurred by a couple of those churches having pastors that were as equally hypocritical and amoral as Gigi here is as she does political theater claiming she has morals, values and standards.
I accept whatever choices Democrats like Carter, the Bidens, the Obamas, Clintons, etc. make for their faith and what they supposedly believe will come when they stand before their God under death.
But I have a hard time believing that they actually believe there IS a God who they will receive judgement from, when that God has promised them he can be a wrathful God for those who do the worst things.
If they actually did believe in and fear their God, they would all die pissing their pants in fear of what they knew was about to happen next.
Meanwhile, it’s possible to recognize the good in Carter’s life, and accept that he tried to do his best as president without attempting a retcon whitewashing of what he was most of his life.
Old Airborne Dog.
I don’t think you know what anti-Semitic means.
— A Jewish American
Perhaps not, I thought it meant the hatred of Jews? That’s different than not agreeing with the State of Israel isn’t it?
The definition of antisemitism can be debated, but in recent years, antisemitism has increasingly aligned itself with anti-Zionism. Today, in many cases, individuals who express anti-Zionist views are also antisemitic.
So you know, I don’t hate jews. I am not sure what to think about the State of Israel, seems to have created a massive problem in the ME. I listened to some ME Jewish man talking about the Arabs and ME Jews living in harmony before the creation of Israel. I think about our own Native Americans and wonder what the difference would be if they were to demand return of their ancestral homeland, say the East Coast. If they were accommodated would those people displaced be upset? It’s beyond me but I am not for funding any more wars or sending our youth to die.
“So you know, I don’t hate jews.”
I never thought you hated Jews or considered you antisemitic. Many people don’t fully understand the complexities of the Middle East. The region is shaped by propaganda wars, proxy conflicts, and oil, creating extraordinarily complicated alliances.
“I am not sure what to think about the State of Israel, seems to have created a massive problem in the ME.”
The State of Israel did not create the problems in the Middle East. Even without Israel, fighting among various Islamic factions would persist. These conflicts are long-standing and often intractable. Jews have lived in the land now called Israel, including Judea, Samaria (the West Bank), and Jerusalem, for over 3,000 years. Hebron, located in Judea, was the capital of Israel under King David before it was moved to Jerusalem to better unify the nation. Solomon, David’s son, later built the temple in Jerusalem.
“I think about our own Native Americans and wonder what the difference would be if they were to demand return of their ancestral homeland, say the East Coast.”
Your comparison to Native Americans is thought-provoking. However, like Indians, the Jews are indigenous to the land they occupy, and no other ancient civilization in the area has persisted to the modern day. Claims to indigeneity by other groups are historically disconnected, arriving thousands of years later.
Ownership of the land is often evaluated using several criteria:
***Indigenous Rights: Jews are the indigenous people of the area, with historical roots tracing back to biblical times.
***Historical Sovereignty: Saul, David, and then Solomon ruled followed by other generations. No other enduring civilization or nation-state existed in the region during this time.
***Improvement of the Land: Jewish efforts to develop and cultivate the land brought economic opportunities, which attracted Arab migration.
***Treaties and International Law: After World War I, the Ottoman Empire’s defeat led to the division of its lands. The British Mandate originally designated the land for a Jewish homeland. However, the British later partitioned it, allocating a much larger portion to Arab populations (now Jordan) and a smaller portion to the Jews.
***War and Defense: Jordan unlawfully annexed Judea, Samaria, and parts of Jerusalem, contrary to international law. When Israel declared independence in 1948, it faced immediate hostility from its Arab neighbors, who sought to annihilate it. The Jews’ survival and subsequent military victories solidified their claim.
***Legal Recognition: Israel’s sovereignty was recognized by nations worldwide following its declaration of independence. In a later war Israel regained its sovereign territory making itself whole again.
Side note: The land known as the Cave of the Patriarchs, in Hebron, was purchased by Abraham, underscoring the deep historical connection.
I don’t think you know what anti-Semitic means.
And I know you aren’t Jewish. Unless you don’t know what ‘apartheid’, ‘genocide’, and ‘anti-Semitic’ mean.
Soooo… tell everybody – as a REAL Jew, of course – how Jimmy Carter was correct when he said Israel was committing apartheid in Gaza worse than there was in South Africa. Genocide!
That two years AFTER after Israel forcibly removed every single Israeli from Gaza and turned it over to the Gaza Arabs that Carter claimed were “Palestinians”.
Tell us how you have apartheid were you have a monoculture that is all Arab AND all Muslim – not one of you filthy Jews to be found in Gaza. Unless they’re a kidnapped hostage, of course.
Change our minds: convince us you’re an actual Jewish American – not just another lying cowardly Anonymous Democrat from the New Hitler Youth branch of the party.
Old Airborne Dog
EM. While some of your criticisms of Carter are spot on – he completely and totally failed to deal effectively with the Iranian hostage crisis.
Probably because he allowed his humanity to overcome the critical important job he had taken as commander in chief.
But outside of the Iranian hostage crisis he was actually an excellent president.
The horrendous economic condictions you cite were 25 years in the making. They were the result of the failure of Keynesian economics and specifically the phllips curve.
which claims that you can trade greater employment for small amounts of inflation. To greater or lessor extent presidents, and the federal reserve on the advice of the allegedly best economists in the world repeatedly did precisely that – and it worked – temporarily. But the gains in employment were always temporary and the inflation tended to be permanent.
Nixon stupidly imposed wage an pirice controls to bring down inflation. Ford tried to deal with it with slogans – Whip Inflation now.
Inflation and joblessness were problems Carter inherited. They were worsened by the arab oil embargo. Regardless, CArter actually did the RIGHT thing.
First he appointed Volker to head the FED. Volker did something unusual. He rejected the Keynesian Phillips curve and instead of increasing money supply he cut money supply.
This put the country into a recession. A relatively bad one that lasted until approximately 1983 – it took 25years to create the Mess of high inflation, and high unemployment – high Interest rates came from Volkers CURE. The Cure was painful and not instant. We all want quick fixes. But in reality when you have screwed up for decades, it takes a few years to clean the slate. Following Volkers advice, combined with mishandling Iran not only cost Carter re-election – but did so dramatically, and Carter KNEW that was a risk when he agreed to Volkers austerity program.
Reagan gets credit for the turn arround of the economy in the 80’s that lead to the “great moderation – a period of sustained stable growth that continued through until the housing bubble burst – ANOTHER example of bad keynesian policies followed for decades destroying the economy.
Reagan absolutely deserves credit for continuing Carters/Volkers austerity measures. He could have stopped, He would have ended the recession and had a successful presidency.
He likely would not have lost congress in 1982. But we would not have had the 30 year period of economic growth and stability that followed.
But it is Carter that took the bigger gamble – he defied the conventional wisdom of the worlds leading economists without knowing that what was being done would work and while he won for the american people he lost personally and politically – that is a profile in courage.
I would note that is FAR from the only gift Carter gave to Reagan. Carter was by FAR the most deregulatory president in US history, and the benefits or that are still with us.
Except for botching Iran, Carter is more like Englands Margret Thatcher – except with a less abrasive personality.
Again this is not to diminish Reagan, but just as the worst of FDR’s policies were actually born in the Hoover Administration, the Best of Reagan’s were born in the Carter administration.
Carter was ALMOST a great president. Had he handled Iran better he would be a great president and he MIGHT have barely been re-elected.
Gigi not so bright if you dont like it leave
“Trump was a draft-dodger who faked nonexistent bone spurs”
Has Gigi even once ever mentioned that Joe Biden is a draft dodger with MORE draft deferments than Trump? For non-existent “childhood asthma” – while he bragged he was on the varsity football team in college?
Here’s the thing: “Born in November 1942, Biden came of age amid the Vietnam War. But unlike millions of men of his generation, he never served in the military.
Biden received five student draft deferments, first as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University.
And after a medical exam in April 1968, he received the “1-Y” classification, which meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency.
Biden released his Selective Service records to the Associated Press in 2008. At the time, a spokesperson said he was “disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager,” per The News Journal.”
Trump received 4 student deferments, and a medical deferment for bone spurs–which he didn’t have. You can’t fake asthma. The daughters of the podiatrist who claimed Trump had bone spurs said that their father’s office was owned by Fred Trump, DJT’s father, who asked the podiatrist for a favor–to make up a fake claim of bone spurs that would exempt Trump from service. Trump ordered the Selective Service to hide the medical portion of his file.
Here’s the thing: Biden received five student draft deferments, first as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. And after a medical exam in April 1968, he received the “1-Y” classification, which meant he could only be drafted in a national emergency.
Here’s the thing Gigi: Trump ALSO received a “1-Y” classification. AFTER RECEIVING FEWER DEFERMENTS than Biden did. FEWER. You ignored that part.
So Biden can’t be indicted because of his mental status – BUT he’s perfectly capable of being president instead of being indicted. ALSO: Biden can’t be drafted because he has childhood asthma – BUT he can brag he played college football and was offered a spot at the Naval College to play football with Roger Staubach!
Biden Repeats 2022 Naval Academy Appointment Story To Play Football Beside Roger Staubach
https://nypost.com/2024/05/25/us-news/biden-repeats-naval-academy-appointment-story-at-west-point-commencement/
Gigi, don’t you just love how life works out in favor of your fables!
Biden got that deferment by fraudulently claiming to be suffering from “childhood asthma”. Childhood asthma… AFTER YEARS PLAYING COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
Gigi, you LOVE fraudulent draft dodgers. As long as they’re Democrats who are molesting their teenage daughters and young senatorial aids.
How about another Gigi lecture on standards and morality?
How Joe Biden avoided being drafted into the military FIVE TIMES
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4053947/joe-biden-draft-deferment-more-donald-trump/
PRESIDENT Joe Biden avoided being drafted into the military five times — getting one more deferment than former president Donald Trump. Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, and after graduating college where he played college ball, received a medical exemption for childhood asthma as well.
You never fail to sink to the level of President Daddy-Daughter Incest Showers Gigi.
Please don’t change through the upcoming midterm and next presidential elections.
Old Airborne Dog
Biden didn’t fake asthma–because you can’t fake it. It is documented in his medical records going back to his teen years, and regardless of whether he did or didn’t play football, it was disqualifying for 1-A status. Trump’s nonexistent bone spurs were faked by a tenant of his father who was a podiatrist because Trump is a coward and didn’t want to serve. He doesn’t respect our brave troops–calls them “suckers and losers”. That’s all of the difference in the world. Biden’s daughter NEVER said or implied that he did anything incestuous–that is a lie. The NY Post is owned by Murdoch and is MAGA media, so nothing they say about Joe Biden is true.
@Gigi
Huh. Watched Gigi and they did the same thing they do every day, like a broken record. If an original thought ever entered Gigi’s head, it would explode. I’m not a huge fan of the modern left, but I’d be willing to wager if any of them actually knew about you they would be embarrassed, too.
“Watched part of Jimmy Carter’s funeral”
Many of us did.
First let me state unequivocally that Carter was a great american that deserves our respect.
But the Lies throughout the Funeral were beyond beleif.
Carter was one of the most bipartisan presidents.
Why – Because democrats – often those who were eulogizing him refused to support him and he had to get support from republicans.
Over and over idiot left wing nuts were claiming that Carter was the first president to act on Climate Change.
POPPYCOCK. The Term Global warming barely existed at that point. Satellite records for global temperatures only go back to 1979
John Christy is retiring in 2026 and with his retirement funding for UAH will likely end, so there will be no source with the credibility of UAH to constrain left wing nut claims.
Regardless in 1976 when Carter was elected the infant climate science had only recently and barely rejected the notion of global cooling allegedly cause by particulates.
Carter was Pro Solar for Hot water and heat, Solar electric was unbeleivably expensive at the time. the only consequenential renewable energy source was Hydro – whcih as the topic of this article notes was vigorously opposed by the left – as was Nuclear.
Carter did appoint the largest number of women and minorities to government and the judicial system.
He was also incredibly economically conservative, cutting military spending., cutting government spending, cutting regulations.
Carter is the original DOGE president.
Carter’s mideast peace deal deserves enormous credit – and today is his day – not Trump’s., But as we get past Carter’s funeral it would be well to remember since you are comparing and contrasting Trump and Carter that The ONLY other Mideast Peace deal was by Trump. It is worth noting that Carter is the last US president before Trump who did NOT invade another country.
It will be interesting to see what Trump does with the FED. Carter appointed Volker who Architected the end to Stagflation – something we have once again though not quite as bad as in the 70’s. Carter also to his credit stuck with Volker’s Austerity programs even though it likely cost him re-election. BTW Reagan to his credit stuck to the Volker plan.
Why would an expresident and a president elect and soon to be president again not come ? It is a state Funeral. The only one Missing was Michelle, and that resulted in Trump seated next to Obama. The two of them engaged in a friendly and lively conversation.
You say that Trump had to be the center of attention – and yet he was not. He easily could have gotten more attention if he held a press conference at MAL.
The center of attention for Carter’s funeral was going to be Carter, His family, those still alive who served with him.
Unfortunately too much of the Funeral was taken over by left wing nuts with little ties to Carter lying to us that he was some far left wing nut.
Bush, Clinton. Obama, and Trump will all get similar funerals when the time comes. People will speak of them in the same glowing terms.
That is just how it is. I have noted a few public forumns that are posting that Carter was no so great – and there is no doubt that Carter was flawed.
But today is not the day for that. Nor Will the Funerals of other presidents or other people be the day to rant about their flaws.
What is true about Carter that is not true of our other living presidents is the greatness of his life. Trump will in all likelyhood be remembered as a greater president.
But Jimmy Carter was practically mother Theresa and no one will accuse any of our other ex presidents of that. The Carter foundation is a true public charity – as opposed to the fraud for personal enrichment of the Clinton foundation and the {PRIVATE FAMILY charity that is the Trump Foundation.
Was it really necessary for you to slander Melania Trump ? She speaks atleat 6 languages fluently – though not without accent. Can you say the same ? She has been successful on her own prior to her relationship with Trump.
You talk about being good friends – The Clinton’s and Trump were good friends Prior to Trump beating her. Hillary is the most vengeful person in public life.
As noted Obama and Trump were very friendly at the funeral. It is BTW extremely common for ex-presidents VPs and other significant US leaders to be friends, sometimes close freinds. I do not know what the relationship between Jill Biden and Trump is but they have been seen in very freindly conversations at several public events. The Personal vitriole that the Pelosi’s and Hillary have for political enemies is the exception not the rule.
I would not be surprised if Trump uses Pres. Obama as a special peace Envoy – as Clinton did with Carter.
“Can you imagine Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris doing this?”
Harris maybe – Hillary – not a chance. Hillary is infamous for her vindictiveness.
“Trump doesn’t have any real friends”
False, you are clearly clueless. I would note that although Trump does not have the participation in public charities that Carter did, Trump is famous for acts of kindness.
Paying off the mortgages of people who he hears about in trouble not of their own making on the news. Contra your claims – Trump is probably the most personally likeable and affable president we have ever had.
Musk has no direct relation to Carter and no reason to be there. Just as many other Billionaires were not present.
“Carter was praised for his religious devotion, teaching Sunday School for decades. I doubt that Trump even has a clue what Sunday School is,”
Correct, nor does Obama, Bush, Clinton or even Biden. Trump atleast does not fake it. He has never pretended to be deeply religious.
Gigi, you are a really hateful person.
I would be ashamed to have written what you have written.
While there are a few left wing nuts who can not let go of their hatred. Hillary comes to mind immediately.
The next 4 years are not going to be like Trump’s first term. It appears the Laken Riley act may gt enough Democratic votes to get past a filibuster. I beleive it got 60 democratic votes in the house.
Democrats are not going to let Trump and republicans have everything they want. But many are inclinded to support Trump and Republicans where there is some common ground.
Even Sanders is atleast partly on board with Musk’s DOGE – he and Musk are aligned o searching out waste and Fraud in DoD.
But my point is not about specific policies. It is that most people can get past political differences.
I have lots of people who share your political views in my life – I get along with nearly all of them. Those that I do not, are because THEY can not deal with a world in which someone disagrees with them. Anyone who disagrees must be evil.
You are actually evil – not because of your politics – though that is morally wrong, but because of the hatred in your soul.