Below is my column in the New York Post on the latest attack on Elon Musk from the left. There is a mania on the left in calling people with opposing views “Nazis” and referencing the Third Reich. The left has jumped the Nazi shark in this rhetoric as the public tunes out these increasingly hysterical voices.
Here is the column:
One of the least successful efforts of the left and many in the media this election was to paint Republican voters as “Nazis” hellbent on destroying democracy.
While once verboten as a political comparison, liberal politicians and pundits have developed something of a Nazi fetish, where every statement and gesture is declared a return of the Third Reich. It seems like each news event presents a Rorschach test where every inkblot looks like a Nazi.
That mania reached absurd, even comedic, levels with the attack on Elon Musk over an awkward gesture during the inauguration celebration.
An exuberant Musk told the crowd, “My heart goes out to you. It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.” As he gave those words, he placed his right hand on his chest and stretched his arm outward, his palm facing the floor. He then repeated the gesture before putting his hand on his chest again.
It was all done in a matter of seconds, but it was enough for the usual mob to erupt in faux outrage.
Pundits insisted that Musk had chosen the moment to come out as a Nazi on national television. The Washington Post breathlessly reported this week how the “Nazi-style salute” had “invigorated fans on the far right.” The usual liberal professors were rolled out to offer a patina of authority to the ridiculous claim.
Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York University, declared, “Historian of fascism here. It was a Nazi salute and a very belligerent one too.”
Mike Stuchbery went on X (the company owned by the man he now suggests is a Nazi reenactor) to declare, “I studied the Nazis at university, taught the history of Nazi Germany on two continents and wrote for major newspapers about Nazi Germany. I am internet famous for fact-checking chuds [gross people] on the history, ideology and policy of Nazi Germany. That was a Nazi salute.”
Well, that settles it.
As the outrage continued, any doubt or dissent was denounced as evidence that you are obviously a Nazi as well.
That became a bit embarrassing when the leading Jewish organization, the Anti-Defamation League, stated the obvious: This was not a Nazi salute but rather an “awkward gesture.”
The core principle of liberal mob tactics is that there can be no divergence, even by a group like the ADL. The way to deal with opposing ideas or writings is by making someone persona non grata. If you do not cancel others, you will be canceled.
So the ADL was effectively declared soft on Nazis by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): “Just to be clear, you are defending a Heil Hitler salute that was performed and repeated for emphasis and clarity. People can officially stop listening to you as any sort of reputable source of information now. You work for them. Thank you for making that crystal clear to all.”
We’ve reached a level of absurdity where Jewish advocates are treated like they are virtual Nazi sympathizers.
This is not the first time the Democrats have labeled Trump and his supporters “Nazis.”
It started years ago as Democrats repeated analogies of Trump to Hitler and his followers to brownshirted neo-Nazis. Defeating Trump has been compared to stopping Hitler in 1933, and media personalities like Rachel Maddow went on the air with a hysterical claim that “death squads” were authorized by the Supreme Court.
When Trump held a massive rally in New York’s Madison Square Garden before the election, the media were apoplectic and immediately declared it … you guessed it … akin to a Nazi rally. From the Washington Post to the New York Times, the media formed an affinity group meeting to fret over “echoes of 1939.” In case anyone missed the message, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz emphasized “a direct parallel” with the Nazis.
Over at the Nation, David Zirin treated Madison Square Garden (known for everything from cage fights to dog shows) as an almost Vatican-like space: “With his fascist New York City rally, Donald Trump has befouled what many believe to be a sacred space: Madison Square Garden.”
So Trump is a Nazi. Musk is a Nazi. Half the country are Nazis.
The problem is that, if you say everyone is a Nazi, then no one is a Nazi. It loses its meaning.
That includes Ocasio-Cortez, who appears to have joined the ranks of the Reich after critics posted her making a Musk-like gesture during a speech.
There was no torrent of media fretting about how the gesture reflected the extremism of AOC’s questioning need for a Supreme Court, seeking to bar Trump and dozens of Republicans from ballots, or supporting censorship. AOC is a certified Nazi hunter, a license that seems only to be available to figures on the left.
Of course, labeling political opponents as diabolically evil fanatics and seeking to bar candidates from ballots sounds a lot like … well … it sounds familiar.
There is an alternative. We can put the rage rhetoric aside and have honest debates over differences on politics and laws. In other words, we can fight over policy … and leave the Nazis out of it.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University. He is the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
As Turley has so aptly observed, Trump wasn’t elected to obey the law, he was elected to get things done. If unelected Musk uses his coziness with Trump to enrich himself, as long as there’s a benefit to America it’s okay.
^^ More amusing crocodile tears from paid DNC troll. Typical stupid comment: counter-factual content, and no links included ^^
In what world daes a man worth 400B dollars care if he as a billion more or less ?
Adam Smith observed long ago that beyond a certain relatively low level of wealth the benefit to more wealth goes to others not yourself.
In what world does a man worth 400B dollars care if he as a billion more or less?
In Opposite World, which is where this particularly idiotic commenter lives and works.
John Say,
I had the same thought. The man is already rich. He has an opportunity to do something for the betterment of America. And he is doing it.
Challenging Davos?
Musk just doesn’t want to live in a 3rd world. He said such…he’s a social guy so will include other bitcoins..
he did?
” Trump wasn’t elected to obey the law.” Really? Can you prove that? Yet, he swore an oath to uphold the Constitution – publically.
Excuse me,. you are delusional.
Elon Musk should run for Governor of California in 2026
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_California_gubernatorial_election
(Why not – Arnold did it!)
Trump has reportedly decided to pull Mike Pompeo’s security protection despite ongoing threats from Iran, according to The New York Times.
Pompeo, who served as Secretary of State in the first Trump administration, continued to have a security detail during former President Joe Biden’s four years in office due to the threat to his life over actions he took targeting the Middle Eastern country during his tenure, the report said.
Trump also reportedly chose to revoke the security detail of a former aide, Brian Hook.
Trump is a spiteful A$$.
Wait, are you Mike Pompeo or Brian Hook?
I do not hate Pompeo, he was losely competent and mostly did not stab Trump in the back or try to sabatoge the policies that people want.
But he is strongly deep state and Neocon affiliated, And he is outside the norms for the current executive.
Further the Trump foreign policy accomplishments were secured by Trump’s WH – not Pompeo and the State department.
There is no one aside from left wing nuts looking to have Pompeo dead.
Next we are looking to cut federal spending – that starts with focusing the secret service on its core job – protecting the president and those in line to be president.
What absolute garbage.
John Say – good points all around.
NOT as spiteful as your SAINT BIDEN!!
Nothing to see here, move along. Just trying to close down a few TV stations that weren’t so friendly to the Czar, oops, leader, oops, god, oops, sexual abusing President.
Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr has revived three complaints against broadcast stations accused of bias against President Donald Trump.
^^ Yet more very entertaining crocodile tears from our paid DNC troll ^^
So ? Isn’t that supposed to be what the FCC does – address complaints ?
Personally we should just get rid of the FCC.
The best way to prevent the abuse of government power, is to not give government that power.
While I hope that the Trump FCC does not politically weaponize FCC,
That unfortunately would NOT violate recent norms.
The Biden administration funneled billions into NGO’s censoring anyone the left did not like.
Maybe we can get free speech back if Democrats learn what it is like to have to live without it for a bit.
I thought the left’s position was that they were in all favor of free speech, but that the Google and Meta folks have no problem controlling who can be heard.
You had to post that anonymously? Guess you aren’t sure enough of yourself or your facts!
Very much agreed. This is all so tiresome to people over 40 or the emotional equivalent. The modern left seems to be intent on losing, at least in the States. Nobody cares, and nobody is taking it seriously. Comedic is *precisely* correct. The lack of self-awareness, the tripling down in this regard, really tells us all we need to know. Dems will not win elections for a very long time. They are the aristocracy, and that is not America. We founded this country against the likes of them. They will never wake up, they will just wish they lied more effectively. Screw ’em.
They should be thankful that unlike during Robespierre, we don’t have their heads in a basket. This is not hyperbole. The *real* 1% (i.e. the modern left) can eff right off. They have no power or influence here, no matter how large their bank balances. The MSM has become a joke that is quite literally impossible for anyone with brain cells or a heart to degest. Eff off. We are done.
James,
I feel for the traditional Democrats in their desire to get back to their normal Democrat roots, as long as they keep the far left wing nuts in their party, they are going to continue to lose. That will also give us the advantage and time to fix the hot mess Biden left behind.
I am not sure how many “traditional Democrats” are still around these days. I interpret to that to mean moderate democrats. They could probably hold their meetings in a phone booth, if they can still find one.
I read a poll recently showing it was nearly split down the middle of half identify as progressive Democrats and the other half identifying as traditional Democrats.
Meanwhile, in legal news about which Turley is too incompetent to cover, Trump pardoned two murderers.
@Anonymous
You are very stupid.
Who are the murderers?
Would Republicans support a future president with an “Originalist” view on the Constitution passing an Executive Order to amend 2nd Amendment gun rights – where “original intent” in 1791 were applied to 2025?
For “Originalists”, the original Constitution ratified in 1789 didn’t have any gun rights for citizens “0”! Gun rights weren’t part of the original Constitution. They were added through amendments 2 years later in 1791.
In 1791, the multi-shot Gatlin Gun had not yet been invented. Militia’s were under the control of state governors and presidents. None of today’s best known militia groups were legal in 1791.
A future president following “original intent” could today pass an Executive-Order based on the era of 1791. Then they really would be coming for your guns – thanks to Trump.
It would require a constitutional-amendment process taking several years to undo 2nd Amendment rights and would require a super-majority of votes from both Congress and state legislatures. But a future president simply ends it in a day with an Executive Order.
This is the constitutional-precedent Trump will hand a future president if the courts, unless the courts overturn his illegal Exectutive Orders.
I’m impressed with the sheer number of things you get wrong, sometimes exactly backwards. I’ll start a list. Others can add to it.
(1) Who ever said they endorsed originalism? Who are you referring to? Even Scalia disavowed that label, saying he was a textualist. There’s a difference between those two things, but I wonder if you have any clue what it is.
(2) Even “originalism” doesn’t oppose amendments to the Constitution. That’s a corruption of the world “originalism.” And it’s a pretty basic mistake. An originalist’s approach to constitutional amendments is to interpret that amendment according to its original meaning as understood by those who framed and ratified it. Originalism has exactly zero, nothing, nada to do with the question of whether the Constitution can be amended.
(3) The main criticism of the Supreme Court’s 1898 interpretation of the Citizenship Clause is that it applied a 1797 understanding to text that was not framed and ratified until 1868. So you got that one exactly backwards.
(4) Your understanding of what the 2nd Amendment meant at the time it was framed and ratified is completely disconnected with reality.
(5) It doesn’t matter what technological changes happen after 2A or any other constitutional text: such text is intended to be applied to any state of affairs so long as its basic commands are followed.
A textualist like Scalia would overturn any Executive Order going against the text of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment says “…born or naturalized”. It doesn’t say “and” requiring naturalization, it says “or”.
If Scalia were alive today and was a textualist, he would disagree with his fellow Conservatives on the U.S. Supreme Court who identify as “Originalists”.
The good news, even this Supreme Court is likely to overturn Trump’s rewriting of the 14th Amendment.
Who are these supposed fellow conservatives who identify as “originalists”? You notably left out any names, most likely because either you don’t know, or so you can’t be pinned down. That’s not a tactic that wins credibility.
Second, you omitted any mention of the constitutional text that has caused the division of opinion among legal scholars: “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” That, too, is a tactic that doesn’t win credibility.
If you want to post a coherent argument, you have to say why Scalia would, as a textualist, have interpreted that phrase your way. You have to say what your way of interpreting it is, and then show that any textualist would agree with you. I’ll wait for you to do that. If you don’t at least try, then you’re full of BS.
What are you talking about???
The objection is not ‘born or naturalized.’
The objection is that ‘subject to the jurisdiction, thereof’ was illegally redefined by the Gray court in US v Ark.
President Trump isn’t trying to rewrite or do anything to the 14th Amendment.
He, and now the House, are trying to correct this SCOTUS decision that unconstitutionally changed the meaning of ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof.’
Why would the ‘original’ Constitution mention anything about our Rights?
Do you know what the Constitution does?
I’ll answer for you because I don’t think you know.
It establishes the federal government.
It enumerates the powers and duties of the federal government and prohibits states from carrying out certain actions.
The Bill of Rights grants no Rights to us.
This is the BoR Preamble, have you never read it?
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
The states were worried that the federal government would misconstruct — construct wrongly; construe or interpret erroneously — their delegated powers and duties or abuse those powers, so they wanted additional declaratory — explaining, making clear — and restrictive clauses added.
The Bill of Rights are prohibitions, bans against specific actions by the federal government.
My goodness. I mean…wow.
Wrong. In 1789, the Anti-Federalist states (worried about a too powerful centralized government) cut a deal with the Federalist states to add the first 10 amendments after the original Constitution was ratified.
Ironically, most Trump supporters would fall into the Anti-Federalist group today. So Trump is trying to give more power to the federal government over state governments.
Why does that matter? The 10 amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights were added to the Constitution, and as such, they are now part of the Constitution. That’s true of any amendment that has not been repealed.
So . . . I don’t see what the big deal is about whether they were included originally or added shortly thereafter, or what deal was made with whom to do so (regardless of any deal, the ten amendments still had to go through the approval and ratification process). I mean, how does any of that play into your argument about what they mean?
Nothing in my comment is wrong. Unless you think the preamble to the BoR is ‘wrong.’
Nor have you provided any support for your erroneous assertions.
A militia is necessary to the security of a free State, and the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
The Constitution is the fundamental law of the United States of America, your mental meanderings notwithstanding.
Please read the fundamental law of the United States of America.
There is no confusion, and the judicial branch has no power to legislate, “legislate from the bench,” modify the “manifest tenor” of, or amend the Constitution.
Congress and the States have the power to pursue amendments.
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“…courts…must…declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.”
“…men…do…what their powers do not authorize, [and] what they forbid.”
“[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”
– Alexander Hamilton
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2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Musk is no Nazi. He’s an oligarch who bought Trump off.
Musk has accomplished more for America than you could hope to do in 1,000,000 lifetimes.
Musk has Trump in his back pocket.
Anyone with two functioning brain cells, who has observed Trump for the past decade, knows that’s laughable.
😂 Musk likes civilization. He doesn’t want to live in Afghanistan with push carts. It’s that simple. They’ll build some great cities but no soup for you!
OT
Biden didn’t pardon Pelosi or Obama.
Some resentment there I think. Sick of his puppet masters now the strings are cut?
@Young,
Pelosi wasn’t on the J6 committee and has a bit of qualified immunity as a Congress Critter.
Obama is covered by SCOTUS’ decision on POTUS immunity.
So they are in the free and clear.
-G
Obama wasn’t president during Biden’s term. No presidential immunity for things you do when you aren’t President.
Pelosi may have qualified immunity. Immunity means you can’t be sued or charged. Qualified means sometimes you can.
And what did Obama do during Biden’s term that would require a pardon?
-G
@Anon, A lot of folks are wondering that. I hope some look into it. Those with pardons can no longer claim the Fifth if compelled to testify under oath. Much may be revealed.
What’s joe doing today? 🤔
Nothing to see here, move along…
MBS’s $600 billion pledge was almost certainly tabulated to please the new president and entice him into visiting. It’s another example of how Trump is making policy transactional. When it comes to Saudi Arabia, Trump’s business operation has already cut a deal to build a Trump Tower in Jeddah, and unlike in his first term, the Trump Organization will not be shying away from business deals with foreign companies this time around. It looks like Trump’s business relationship with Saudi Arabia is already overlapping with the new foreign policy of his presidency.
^^ More amusing crocodile tears from paid DNC troll ^^
“Nothing to see here, move along…”
In other news: Communist China pledged $40 MILLION to Vice President Biden’s LLC’s to confirm that the foreign policy of Obama and Biden would be in alignment with the foreign policy of Communist China.
As a bonus, Biden White House Crime LLC had to build NOTHING.
Biden White House Crime only had to provide access to 40+ years of stolen classified US documents and guaranteed uninterrupted tickets for flights of ChiCom spy balloons across America.
Just ensure blanket preemptive pardons for the Biden crime family were confirmed as already written for signing in Bribery Biden’s last days in office as The Big Guy.
If cowardly Anonymous Democrat Useful Idiot Marxists are insinuating/accusing a Republican they’re terrified of doing something – you better go take a look to see if that’s exactly what the opposing Democrat(s) that they’re pimping for have been and are doing.
Yes… nothing to see here, move along…
Old Airborne Dog
No. This is what MAGA winning looks like!! Winners attract winners. People who know a good thing when they see it. And they are going to invest in America. Recall how Biden went to MBS, hat in hand to beg for them to increase oil production to lower global oil prices and in turn gas prices? And what did the Saudis do? As their own kind of “Lets Go Brandon!” they cut production rates. Biden resorted to going to Venezuela and raiding the SPR.
NATO chief ‘very happy’ with Trump’s sanctions threat to Russia
NATO’s Secretary-General Mark Rutte hailed newly inaugurated U.S. President Donald Trump’s warning on Wednesday that Russia could expect more tariffs and sanctions if it did not end the war in Ukraine.
“Trump is right, Ukraine is closer to Europe, but Trump is also right that it is a geopolitical conflict so I’m sure the U.S. wants it to end with a good and strong deal,” Rutte added.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/23/nato-chief-very-happy-with-trumps-sanctions-threat-on-russia-.html
More MAGA winning!!
Nobody knows what’s in Elon’s heart, but the circumstantial evidence suggests he is not a racist and opposed to violence of all kinds. That’s the opposite of Nazism.
Musk grew up witnessing horrible violence in South Africa. Apparently one of the reasons he left South Africa at 17 years old was because he was opposed to serving in the Apartheid South African government harming black people. Those that attack Musk’s father don’t tell you, he was opposed to most of what his father did.
Even on his business endeavors, he’s helped only with defensive military technology, usually when a larger nation bullies a smaller nation or group.
Not buying the Nazi label!
You need to look into his past. Those closest to him in the years past paint a fascist picture of musk
Left delusion world: a fascist who restores freedom of speech, who despises the idea of a “ministry of truth,” and who advocates for *less* governmental control over the private sector.
Left delusion world: an “insurrection” where nobody brings a weapon and the trumped-up criminal charges don’t even include a charge of insurrection.
Left delusion world: a Biden pardon that sets a child killer free this coming July, means the child killer will be in prison for life without parole.
Its never pretty to be judged by your enemies.
There is absolutely no doubt that Trump haters were born under a dark cloud and will continue to hate forever . . . while the common man will forever see and know without a doubt their insanity.
Hey don’t you get it. Nazi salutes will keep the Jews voting for them and they’re going to put you all back in chains will keep the black people voting for them. Don’t you see the political genius in it?
It wasn’t an insurrection? Listen to a person that was part of the insurrection…
But one rioter, 71-year-old Boise resident Pamela Hemphill, once nicknamed “the MAGA Granny,” rejected her pardon. “Accepting the pardon would be an insult to the Capitol Police officers, to the rule of law, to our nation,” Hemphill told the Idaho Statesman by phone Tuesday. “The J6 criminals are trying to rewrite history by saying that it was not a riot; it wasn’t an insurrection. I don’t want to be a part of their trying to rewrite what happened that day.”
And we know that the one “MAGA granny” is the final arbiter of what constitutes an insurrection. SMH
But I’m guessing it’s okay with you that convicted child-killers and cop-killers were pardoned by Biden, right? The only person killed on J6 was Ashley Babbitt, a protester who was murdered by a cop. And it was some “insurrection” where nobody even brought a weapon, and the protesters wanted the current government to stay in power based on the perception that the election had been stolen. Now you elevate the word of some random disgruntled granny over all facts and reason.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/biden-clemency-non-violent-inmates-includes-connecticut-child-killer
Did I say anything about Biden? Nope. Why is reading comprehension so hard for tump cult followers?
Biden didn’t pardon any child-killers. He commuted their death sentence to life in prison. Big difference. But again, trump cultists seem to have left what little brains they have at the door.
Will you still support trump when your food prices skyrocket due to tariffs?
You brain dead arse….
Biden commuted the sentences of three Chinese nationals: one convicted on child pornography charges and two convicted of espionage-related charges. The child porn guy had ties to the CCP.
But that’s ok with you, right?
Commuting a sentence is not pardon.
And when did I even hint it was OK?
Why do you keep trying to justify the insurrection with irrelevant nonesense?
Anonymous – check this out. You’re flat wrong. And as for your stupid insults: GFY.
https://news.yahoo.com/news/family-outraged-man-convicted-connecticut-223450142.html
Wow, can the left get any stupider. A political protest that got out of hand = insurrection. These people need to go back to grade school and, once in a while, open up a dictionary. Sheesh!
And the idiot leftists on this blog will keep calling it an insurrection. Apparently they don’t know how to look up word definitions in the dictionary.
The people spoke on November 5. Trump is back by popular demand. Get used to it.
TRUMP STILL SUCKS
Trump is making America great again. Since you are an official in the Chinese Communist Party, and since you are tasked by that Party with assisting Iran to become a terrorist-sponsoring superpower, I can understand why you think it “sucks” that Trump is restoring American greatness.
Why is reading comprehension so hard for tump cult followers?
Semantics, lies, and fear is the key to commie victory!!!
Why do cowardly Anonymous commies hope that Republicans’ reading comprehension and gullibility will be worse than that of commie Marxist Useful Idiots, resulting in child molesting Anonymous commies having credibility while regurgitating commie lies?
This is why these Anonymous liars don’t even have a set of balls the size that Gigi posts here with.
Old Airborne Dog
“And it was some “insurrection” where nobody even brought a weapon, and the protesters wanted the current government to stay in power based on the perception that the election had been stolen.”
That is the definition of insurrection. Trying to keep the person in office that did not win the election. Thank you for agreeing with me. Just because you believe a person won does not make it so. And based on that belief, marching into the capitol threatening congresspeople is the definition of insurrection.
Roseanne Boyland was killed that day. A female police officer beat her with some kind of wooden stick as Roseanne lay unconscious on the steps.
After Trump’s “March to Save America” rally, she said she began talking to a group of Proud Boys, eventually following them to the Capitol and becoming part of the crowd that forced its way through barricaded doors, attacked Capitol Police, broke windows and doors, forced lawmakers to flee and ransacked offices.
Isn’t she Christopher Wray’s Aunt Pam?
I find it was a very stupid insurrection when everyone forgot to bring any weapons especially fire arms to try to over throw the government. Of course even the Biden political justice department NEVER charged anyone with insurrection. But why do that when the Democrat lap dogs in the MSM always call it an insurrection with NO factual reason to do so.
You left out the part where she mentions that she came to this “revelation” after being brainwashed by her therapist.
Just remember all you Jews in New York that just to score a political point your favorite politician will throw the ADL right under the bus and will say that you are being soft on Nazis. The politicians who are saying this also said that the Hamas massacre was justified. They also cry out, “From the river to the sea”. I’m sure that they will place their hands on their hearts and extends their hand to all the Jews who voted for them and thank you for your contribution.
So when a Democratic politician touches his lips and blows a kiss to the crowd with his palm facing downward will he too be called a Nazi. How can these people be so stupid. Don’t they realize that every time that a Democrat politician blows a kiss or touches his heart and extends his hand to the crowd their political rivals will bring up this Nazi salute thing. Don’t be surprised is you see them all campaigning with their hands in their pockets looking like Charlie Chaplin. Stupid is as stupid does.
So when a Democratic politician touches his lips and blows a kiss to the crowd with his palm facing downward will he too be called a Nazi.
No, he won’t. The rules are different for Dems, dontcha know?
He’s been watching old Mel Brooks movies.
It was not a salute at all, let alone a Nazi salute.* It was a gesture accompanying the words “my heart goes out to you.” Everyone knows this, and those who claim otherwise are knowingly lying.
Not only that, they know that everyone else knows they are lying. So they are, somewhat oddly, telling everyone, “Look at me, I’m a liar, I cannot be trusted.”
Notably, George, below, essentially tells everyone: “I’m a liar, you can’t trust me.” He did this with me the other day when he tried to make an argument about the meaning of the constitutional text, and his first step was to change the words of the Constitution – as if those words were not there in black and white for everyone to see what he did. I cannot fathom the psychological reasons why a commenter on this blog would want to purposely convey to other commenters the message, “I’m a liar, you can’t trust anything I say.” But there it is.
*Salute: a gesture of respect, homage, or polite recognition or acknowledgment, especially one made to or by a person when arriving or departing.
-Oxford languages
OldManFromKS,
Well said. There is no reason to believe anything they say. nine times out of ten I just scroll past as it is not worth my time to read their lies. I will once in awhile just to see what BS they are peddling or what the MSM narrative is. They are both the same.
Upstate – true, we know who the liars are on this blog. I generally scroll past, but I occasionally make an exception for a very short comment that won’t waste much of my time. Dennis never posts those, so I never read anything from Dennis. His are always long-winded. Short comments are also pretty rare from Gigi, but occasionally Svelaz-George does post a short one.
I hasten to add, though, that I don’t mind liberal commentary as such. I enjoy listening to people like Bill Maher and Cenk Uygur, because I find them reasonable even if I don’t agree with them. I like to hear their points of view in any event. But this blog seems to have a difficult time getting reasonable liberals to comment. People like DM, Gigi, and Svelaz-George do not fit that description; their comments are either hysterical and totally detached from sanity (Gigi), or they are exceedingly shallow (Dennis) and based on lies (Svealz-George).
Around noon on Inaugural Day, Trump made a promise to GOD to uphold the U.S. Constitution and faithfully follow the laws of the United States.
Hours later, Trump was disloyal to his oath of office trying to subvert the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution through Executive Order.
Presidents alone don’t have the authority to amend the U.S. Constitution. Trump pledged a sacred oath not to violate his oath of office. That was just day one in office!
Now the courts will overturn some of Trump’s executive orders at taxpayer expense!
So if courts “will overturn” those actions, you have nothing to worry about, right?
And although you and Trump have a different interpretation of the Citizenship Clause, that does not imply Trump “was disloyal” just because his interpretation is different than yours. It may be noted that legal scholars are divided and some agree with Trump.* Even if it turns out that Scotus will disagree with Trump, accusing him of disloyalty based on a reasonable difference of opinion concerning the meaning of the Citizenship Clause is a step too far. That kind of tactic only erodes your own credibility.
*Yesterday, I provided citations to law review articles for and against Trump’s interpretation.
Ronald Reagan considered it settled constitutional precedent in the 1980’s. According to most constitutional experts it was considered settled law in 1898 following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Both parties followed it for over 100 years.
At minimum, Trump might want to hire a competent attorney that specializes in constitutional law before enacting illegal EOs.
1898? Plessey v Ferguson was considered settled law then. Interpretations change over time.
It’s not cut and dried. As I noted, some scholars agree with Trump’s interpretation, regardless of what Reagan (a non-lawyer) might have thought. As for precedent, even if we assume, for sake of argument, that it means what you say it means, sometimes precedent is wrong and gets overturned by Scotus. You yourself admitted that this will go before a court – most likely, Scotus eventually – and we’ll see how they rule. That doesn’t make Trump disloyal to his oath, any more than it made the Mississippi legislators who passed the statute at issue in Dobbs disloyal to their oaths.
“Ronald Reagan considered it settled constitutional precedent in the 1980’s. According to most constitutional experts it was considered settled law in 1898 following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Both parties followed it for over 100 years.”
“At minimum, Trump might want to hire a competent attorney that specializes in constitutional law before enacting illegal EOs.”
– Anonymous
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Let’s go all the way back.
Secession is not prohibited and is fully constitutional, a fact that your “competent attorney that specializes in constitutional law” will tell you; he cannot cite the Constitution for a prohibition of secession.
Lincoln is the greatest criminal in American history for the simple act of unconstitutionally denying secession which began his “Reign of Terror” and ultimately placed America on a path toward its current condition of pure communism.
Everything Lincoln did subsequent to his denial of secession was and remains invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional, requiring that it be totally rescinded and revoked.
Lincoln voided and nullified the Constitution and terminated American freedom after a mere 71 years.
Lincoln must be corrected and American freedom restored.
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James Madison rejected a proposal which was made at the 1787 Constitutional Convention to grant the new federal government the specific power to suppress a seceding state.
“A Union of states containing such an ingredient seemed to provide for its own destruction. The use of force against a state would look more like a declaration of war than an infliction of punishment and would probably be considered by the party attacked as dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound.”
– James Madison
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“Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“[Where powers are assumed by Lincoln which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act of Lincoln’s assumption is the rightful remedy].”
– [Thomas Jefferson]
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“The Constitutionality of Secession”
THERE WAS NO MENTION OF A “PERPETUAL UNION.”
The purpose of the Articles was not only to define the relationship among the new States but also to stipulate the permanent nature of the new union. Accordingly, Article XIII states that the Union being created “shall be perpetual.”
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But whatever the reasons involved, in the resultant Constitution, there was no mention of a “perpetual union,”
…and at no place in that document is the word “nation” to be found. Indeed, in many of the original documents pertaining to the Constitution, in the words “united States” a term that signified the change from the old Articles to new the Constitution, the “u” in “united” is not capitalized! This is significant for had it been capitalized, it could be supposed that the Constitution, by bestowing a title rather than a description with the use of the capital letter in the word “United,” had created an “entity” other than the original thirteen separate and sovereign States. But the words united States as they sometimes appear in that document and others pertaining to it, simply identified the condition of those States; that is, united in their ongoing efforts to function as a “confederation” and not as a nation or a national entity.
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-constitutionality-of-secession/
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NEW YORK INCLUDED SECESSION IN ITS CONSTITUTIONAL RATIFICATION DOCUMENT
The ratification document of New York, July 26, 1788:
That the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness;…
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratny.asp
Nothing is settled law.
At any time Congress can repeal laws or pass new laws to change old laws.
In addition, at any time the People can amend the Constitution. The People could create a new Constitution if we so desire.
We have already corrected an egregiously unconstitutional ruling in Roe v Wade.
Now, we will try to correct Gray’s unconstitutional change to the 14th Amendment.
The 14th Amendment is invalid, illegitimate, illicit, and unconstitutional.
Lincoln illegally and unconstitutionally denied not prohibited and fully constitutional secession, imposed martial law, suspended habeas corpus, conducted a “Reign of Terror, etc.
His successors thoroughly transformed the country and improperly ratified amendments to the Constitution in an environment of brutal post-war military occupation not conducive to representative governance.
As Karl Marx wrote to Abraham Lincoln, “It fell to…Abraham Lincoln…to lead his country through…the RECONSTRUCTION of a social world.”
Every act of Lincoln and his successors, subsequent to his secession denial, was similarly antithetical and unconstitutional and must be rescinded and revoked.
The 14th Amendment pertained to freed slaves whose only course was compassionate repatriation.
On January 1, 1863, the immigration law of the United States was the Naturalization Act of 1802, wherein freed slaves could not be admitted to become citizens.
That Act passed by the American Founders was never legislatively abrogated but extirpated by unconstitutional military force.
I appreciate your passion.
I agree about Lincoln. The Constitution says nothing about secession, it is therefore a power retained by the states and the people per the 10th Amendment.
What could be done now, though?
Trump made a legal interpretation of the jurisdiction phrase of the 14th Amendment. Will courts embrace it? Who knows?
No, he’s following the Framers definition of ‘subject to the jurisdiction, thereof’ in the 14th Amendment.
I’m sorry, but did I miss the part of the election when Elon Musk was voted into office? If I did, correct me–what office was he elected to? What Musk did resembles a Nazi “Heil Hitler” salute. People who point this out are neither hysterical nor wrong, especially given the context of Musk on the stage. Musk is navel lint. He PURCHASED whatever “power” or “authority” he is pretending to exercise, which is reportedly communicating with other world leaders and trying to boss around members of Congress to get some of Trump’s unqualified nominees approved. Trump made up a nonexistent “agency” that even Ramaswamy, who was supposed to co-lead with Musk, is pulling away from. The PURCHASE of such power should scare the hell out of all of us. Since when does a US President allow a non-elected campaign donor to exercise anything resembling governmental authority or make up a nonexistent agency for them to head? Musk was not elected to do anything. Members of Congress should remember that they WERE elected to represent their constituents–if he calls their office, they should hang up on this clown and slam the door in his face if he shows up at their offices. America does not recognize campaign donors as having any power to do anything in this country. That is a dangerous precedent.
Here are some inescapble comparisons between Hitler and the Trump regime: 1. shut down media that don’t kiss the ring. In one of his late-night rants or on Hannity, doesn’t matter which, Trump spoke of taking away the broadcast license of MSNBC, which has gotten a strong ratings boost post-election. He’s threatened other media too–to litigate them into oblivion. That’s what Hitler did–shut down radio stations and newspapers he didn’t like that spoke out against him, What about that First Amendment, Turley? I’m not going to hold my breath that you will speak out against Trump threatening non-MAGA media–if anything, if Murdoch orders you to do so, you’ll preach against mainstream media; 2. go after clergy that don’t kiss the ring. After that dignified and very reverent Episcopal bishop politely asked Trump to have mercy on hardworking migrants, the overwhelming majority of whom are not criminals–just people looking for a better life for their families, and who are very scared right now that their lives will be upended, Trump initially responded by calling her “nasty”–one of his favorite pejoratives for women who ruffle his feathers, like Hillary Clinton. But, that wasn’t enough for the orange hog’s ego–he is DEMANDING an apology. So, now, the reverend bishop is getting threats and nastygrams. Hitler did the same thing–went after all religions, especially Jewish congregations, but Catholics and others, too; 3. Private army of thugs who operate above the law. Trump pardoned everyone who tried to overthrow the government on January 6th—including those who inflicted very serious injuries on Capitol Police officers. One of those losers who was pardoned was a child molester from Kentucky. Now, this trash is parading around, they have the right to purchase all of the guns they want–a private army of losers who can act with impunity–just like Hitler’s storm troopers.
“I’m sorry, but did I miss the part of the election when Elon Musk was voted into office?” You write like a 15 year old Karen.
Your comment has the smell of stupidity. You pompous ass
Close your eyes, block your nose, block your ears. You voted for trump. now you can eat his sh!t.
Parallels between Trump and the Nazi regime? Are you kidding me? Virtually the first thing Trump did in his inaugural speech is announce the total restoration of 1st Amendment free speech rights and the end of the Democrat junta’s curtailment of those rights. It was not MAGA supporters calling for the extinction of Israel while beating up Jewish students at Princeton and Harvard. Those were all on the Left, Democrats.
We sane, freedom loving people, of whom Musk is one (and restored free speech to social media which you deplore), have always seen Orwell’s 1984 as a warning. You on the Left and Democrats have used it as an operations manual and even established a Ministry of Truth. I’d say all of those quasi-Nazi salues from Hillary to AOC are the ones that should concern us.
Why do you MAGAs claim that Democrats are behind protests at Princeton and Harvard, and the George Floyd protests? The Democratic Party had nothing to do with either of these events. No one “deplores free speech”–sane, patriotic Americans deplore the firehose of lies that come out of the mouth of Trump and MAGA media. We are witnessing America unravel, due in no small part to the toxic effect of MAGA media and “freedom of speech”. You MAGAs who believe that Democrats were behind the George Floyd protests got this stupid idea from MAGA media, started by billionaires to advance their own interests by hooking gullible people to believe lies so you will go out and vote Republican. It was “freedom of speech” that allowed Trump to go around America on “Stop the Steal” tours, misleading people into believing that he won in 2020 when he really lost–and he KNEW it because all of his family and aides told him so, he lost over 60 lawsuits, and multiple recounts, audits and investigations prove that he was lying. That Big Lie resulted in the first attack against our Capitol since the war of 1812, millions of dollars in damage to the building and contents, Capitol Police Officers getting battered, beaten, 3 suicides, some losing fingers, one lost an eye, there was a heart attack, some have traumatic brain injuries, many have PTSD and Officer Sicknick died from several strokes after getting beaten in the head with a fire extinguisher–all because of Trump exercising his right of “free speech” to lie about losing. You MAGAs are the antithesis of “sane, freedom loving people”–you are gullibles who fall for the racist, xenophobic lies of a malignant narcissist.
You ignorant moron – just one fact to demonstrate how stunningly misinformed you are. Sicknick was never hit with anything. The autopsy results showed that, not that any of us here would expect you to know the details.
I stand corrected–he had strokes after being sprayed in the face with bear spray: “Sicknick died after suffering strokes, the Office of Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Francisco Diaz, said in a report. In an interview, Diaz told The Washington Post, which first reported on the determination, that Sicknick suffered two strokes.
Sicknick, 42, was sprayed with a chemical substance outside the Capitol at around 2:20 p.m. ET on Jan. 6, the report said.
He did not suffer an allergic reaction to the chemical irritants dispensed by rioters, Diaz told the Post, nor was there evidence of internal or external injuries.
At approximately 10 p.m., Sicknick collapsed at the Capitol and was transported to a local hospital. He died nearly 24 hours later.
Officials had said that Sicknick died a day after he sustained injuries during the attack. The Justice Department had opened a federal murder investigation into his death.
In a statement, the U.S. Capitol Police said it accepts the medical examiner’s finding. “This does not change the fact Officer Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol,” the statement said.
Sicknick has been counted as one of five people who died as a result of the insurrection attempt at the U.S. Capitol during which extremists — egged on by then-President Donald Trump and his acolytes in Congress — stormed the complex in an attempt to halt the certification of President Biden’s White House victory.
Two men — Julian Elie Khater of State College, Pa., and George Pierre Tanios of Morgantown, W.Va. — were arrested last month over allegedly spraying a chemical on Sicknick. They were charged with conspiring to injure officers and assaulting federal officers and other crimes.
The Justice Department accused Khater of having asked Tanios to “give me that bear s***” during the riot, implying it was a pepper-based bear spray.
U.S. Arrests 2 Men, Saying They Sprayed Sicknick And Others With Chemical At Capitol
After pulling a canister from Tanios’ backpack, Khater moved to the front of the crowd, next to the police perimeter. He then raised his hand, aimed the canister at Sicknick and two other officers standing a few feet away, and waved his arm from side to side, the agency said, citing video footage.
The three officers were immediately forced to retreat, “bringing their hands to their faces and rushing to find water to wash out their eyes,” the Justice Department said.”
So, what is your point–he died because of the lies of Donald J. Trump.
Jonathan: When it comes to “free speech” you are a self-avowed absolutist. Yet, you call those who who have condemned Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “hysterical voices” on the “left”. Here’s a case that belies your claim.
Sam Kuffel was a popular meteorologist at CBS affiliate WDJT-TV in Milwaukee. On Tuesday she posted two Instagram criticisms of Musk Nazi salute saying “Dude Nazi salute TWICE. During the inauguration”. Kuffel laced her posts with expletives. Following her post Dan O’Donnell, a right-wing podcaster on X, attacked Kuffel saying she “makes a pair of vulgar Instagram posts while spreading the lie that Elon Musk was giving a Nazi salute during yesterday’s Presidential Inauguration”. So what happened after O’Donnell’s post?
Yesterday WDJT-TV fired Kuffel. No reason given. Users on X condemned Kuffel’s firing as a violation of her “free speech rights”. It should be acknowledged that free expression doesn’t apply in the private workplaces. When you cross the threshold of your workplace you lose your “free speech” rights. That said, what does Kuffel’s firing say about the state of “free speech” under the Musk/DJT regime? After DJT’s $15K settlement with NBC and his defamation lawsuit against the Des Moines Register and its pollster the mainstream media is running scared. No doubt CBS is afraid of being sued so Kuffel was the sacrificial lamb. Threatening and suing media, taking away their broadcast licenses is an existential threat to “free speech” by the new DJT regime. That should concern you but apparently it doesn’t.
I didn’t know that WDJT-TV was a government agency. Thanks!
Oh look! It’s a McInliar and GooGoo double header! Gee what a coinkystink.
The station was probably cognizant of the fact that at least 50% of its viewers are conservatives who would be offended by what she did. That’s why she lost her job. And, it was entirely appropriate that she did. She’s not an opinion journalist, she’s a weather broadcaster. She’s also clearly a very stupid lefty
You pompous ass.
Did not read your comment. Just wanted to take a moment to remind you of how wrong you have been, so many times. And if all the times you have been wrong in the past, like Fani was going to spank Trump’s fanny, Trump will be in orange by the end of the summer, Trump is going to lose the election to name just a few, you will continue to be wrong in the future.
How marvelous!