After years of the media demonizing and attacking any scientists supporting the lab theory of COVID-19, agencies like the FBI have concluded that it is the most likely scenario. Even the Washington Post and other long antagonistic media outlets have come to admit that the theory is credible. None of that has apparently changed minds over at the Los Angeles Times, which helped lead the media mob against dissenting scientists. That includes the L.A. Times science columnist Michael Hiltzik, who is often cited as an example of the unrelenting and aggressive campaign to cancel those scientists who challenged the natural origins theory. Hiltzik and the L.A. Times just ran a column renewing attacks on those who support this theory, a column that continues to omit key countervailing information from the readers.
The L.A. Times appears to be the last dog in this fight. As discussed in my recent column, media outlets that ridiculed or ravaged scientists over the theory have acknowledged that it is indeed plausible.
For example, in 2021, New York Times science and health reporter Apoorva Mandavilli was still calling on reporters not to mention the “racist” lab theory.
Likewise, the Washington Post denounced Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) when he raised the theory for “repeat[ing] a fringe theory suggesting that the ongoing spread of a coronavirus is connected to research in the disease-ravaged epicenter of Wuhan, China.”
After Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) mentioned the lab theory, Post Fact Checker Glenn Kessler mocked him: “I fear @tedcruz missed the scientific animation in the video that shows how it is virtually impossible for this virus to jump from the lab. Or the many interviews with actual scientists. We deal in facts, and viewers can judge for themselves.”
Then, as more government reports indicated that the theory could be correct, the Post shrugged, and Kessler wrote that the lab theory was “suddenly credible.”
Most recently, newly-confirmed CIA Director John Ratcliffe released the CIA report, which details how it views the lab theory as the most likely explanation for the virus, though assigning a “low confidence” finding.
The Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and other news outlets reported on the finding that the lab theory was the most likely. The BBC reported that “the CIA on Saturday offered a new assessment on the origin of the Covid outbreak, saying the coronavirus is ‘more likely’ to have leaked from a Chinese lab than to have come from animals. But the intelligence agency cautioned it had ‘low confidence’ in this determination.”
I noted in the column that the finding does not resolve the debate, which will continue. The point was that there can now be a debate. The CIA did not reject the lab theory over the natural origins theory despite the overwhelming message that was sent by the L.A. Times in treating the theory as racist or looney.
Hiltzik discusses my column while objecting that I added a link to the CIA definition of “low confidence” not long after the blog posting (Such additions are common on this blog and other blogs. I often note such changes, but there was no material change in the point of the column which focused on the free speech issue). The point is not that the recommendation was made with low confidence, but that the theory was found to be plausible.
Hiltzik criticizes my column and others for highlighting the most recent disclosure. However, he omits that this follows even stronger findings from agencies like the FBI and evidence (as discussed in my column) that government scientists found the theory credible.
He also omits any mention of the fact that he is widely cited as one of the most aggressive voices seeking to cancel scientists who voiced support for the theory. While arguing that scientific journals have not embraced the theory, he leaves out that he targeted schools that sought to allow academic discussions of the theory.
Hiltzik decried an event associated with Bhattacharya, writing that “we’re living in an upside-down world” because Stanford University allowed dissenting scientists to speak at a scientific forum. Hiltzik also wrote a column titled “The COVID lab leak claim isn’t just an attack on science, but a threat to public health.”
Instead, Hiltzik defends China in the column against claims that it was not forthcoming in the investigations into the virus:
“The Chinese government has been accused, mostly by the lab-leak camp, of suppressing evidence of the role of the Wuhan lab out of embarrassment or fear of international repercussions. But that’s highly misleading. The truth is that China is no happier about evidence that the pandemic originated in one of its wildlife markets.”
News organizations reported how China shut down contacts with scientists and closed off access to the lab, including refusing to give data to WHO.
Even NBC, which once piled on the attacks on dissenting scientists, has noted that China has steadfastly fought disclosures and only released information that was going to be made public.
As Hiltzik notes, even the World Health Organization (WHO) denounced China for its lack of transparency. WHO has long been accused of being dominated by China, particularly in its initial investigations into the virus.
The L.A. Times, however, is still downplaying such complaints and attributing them to fringe writers. Hiltzik portrays the criticism as mostly the ravings of “the lab-leak camp” and says the accusations are “misleading.”
He also does not discuss the findings of other federal and congressional reports.
He focuses instead on the lack of “peer-reviewed journals” supporting the theory. It is an ironic point from a writer who attacked Stanford for even allowing scientists to share their work in an academic setting.
Once again, however, none of these reports are dispositive either way. That is the point. The debate that figures like Hiltzik fought to prevent can finally occur.
However, the L.A. Times is still trying to chill that debate by portraying anyone supporting the theory as purveyors of “disinformation.” Hiltzik writes:
“The uncritical retailing of the CIA assessment underscores the perils of scientific misinformation and disinformation for public health. The Trump administration’s evidence-free focus on the Chinese laboratories ranks as anti-science propaganda.”
Even though agencies like the FBI are giving more credence to the lab theory, the L.A. Times is still portraying the position as dangerous disinformation.
It takes an element of rage to maintain this dwindling position. Many of the experts who were once ridiculed for questioning the efficacy of masks, the six-foot rule, natural immunities, and school closures have been supported in recent reports. There is growing support for the view, for example, that our closure of schools did not have a meaningful impact on the transmission rate of the virus. Yet, that was another debate that was snuffed out under the attacks over spreading disinformation. (Notably, Hiltzik also supported closing schools and has rejected claims that it was a mistake).
I value writers like Hiltzik for challenging scientists on issues like the lab theory. For those of us with little scientific knowledge, such debates among knowledgeable people are essential. Most of us are open to either theory. However, figures like Hiltzik actively sought to curtail that debate when it was most needed. He portrayed the very discussion of the theory as a public health danger and now continues to invoke the catch-all “disinformation” label to dismiss countervailing views.
It is a particularly ironic moment when L.A. Times owner Patrick Soon-Shiong is promising to restore objectivity to the newspaper and even posting a “bias meter” for readers to be warned about slanted material.
The L.A. Times and Hiltzik are obviously and heavily invested in the rejection of the lab theory. However, when you are dismissing Chinese obstruction, the burden on the newspaper is becoming not just crushing but embarrassing. There is an alternative. The L.A. Times could admit that it was wrong in demonizing scientists and that both of these theories are plausible.
Most importantly, it could embrace the need for an open and civil debate on the question. As the leading newspaper in the state with the greatest concentration of academic and research facilities, the L.A. Times owes it to its readers to be honest and open with both sides of the origins debate.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
In earlier times, Michael Hiltzik and his ilk inflamed the masses in order to divert their eyes from truth. Not being satisfied with that action, the Hiltziks of the world also belittled the relentless searchers for the truth. But the truth eventually prevails. And charlatans like Michael Hiltzik are left to wonder: Now that Fredric March is gone, who will play the Michael Hiltzik types so convincingly?
Hiltzik Is either a paid shill for the Chinese or is so full of hatred for President Trump that when presented with facts he is unable accept them as a rational person would, though it’s probably an oxymoron to call anyone “rational” who still believes in the wet market theory. Personally I think he is on the payroll for the Chinese government.
Never underestimates a stooge’s inability to realize he/she is a stooge.
Wait! Two belts of 7.62 and no 60, no ruck, no rats, no frags, no C-more, no C-4, no H20, no flare, no bug juice, etc.?
“…agencies like the FBI have concluded that it is the most likely scenario. ”
Most likely? It’s the only scenario that makes sense. In the progressives’ world, they fight hardest against that which makes sense.
Yes, I heard a comedian who actually said it best. He said there’s chocolate all over town in Hershey Pennsylvania and people were wondering where it could’ve come from . well most likely the chocolate factory.
Directly On Topic. Former CNN Chris Cizilla admits he scewed up, but is still suffering from TDS. An excerpt:
“In short: Covid-19 probably came from a lab.
Which, if you’re keeping track, is what Donald Trump and lots of prominent conservatives — most notably Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton — have been saying for a very long time now.
And, candidly, they have taken a lot of sh!t for it. Including from me.
My belief then was that if this was a debate between Donald Trump and Anthony Fauci on the origins of a pandemic-level virus, I was going to go with the guy who spent his entire career studying this stuff, not the reality TV-star-turned-president.
Except, it now appears that the reality TV-star-turned-president was right. And Anthony Fauci was wrong.
(Sidebar: The CIA isn’t the only organization now saying Covid likely originated in a lab. Around this time two years ago, the Energy Department reached the same conclusion.)
It never entered my mind that, as president, it was possible that Trump has been privy to information not publicly available on the virus,” he added in post 12 of 15.
Conservatives have long made that statement to Trump critics, and Cillizza is now catching on.
“The lesson: Be skeptical — of experts or anyone else — when dealing with a rapidly-developing and changing situation where no one has the ability to see a 360-degree view,” Cillizza added in post 14 of 15, a rich point that conservatives long attempted to tell anti-Trump forces during COVID’s earliest days — to fully deaf ears.
Despite the admission of faulty, if not biased, anti-Trump analysis, Cillizza is not backing down on criticizing Trump but doubling down on it as he defended the disgraced Acosta.
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/cnn-covid-jim-acosta/2025/01/28/id/1196854/
As for LA Times reporter Michael Hiltzik, he gives new meaning to the saying ‘a mind is a terrible thing to waste’. Poster child for what is wrong, deeply wrong, institutionally wrong, with legacy media, and why they will continue their journey into the media wilderness. His complete and utter disinterest in the facts of the origin of Covid-19 in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which was conducting gain of function research on SARS-CoV viruses, supported by Fauci’s NIAID and Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance, and the subsequent massive cover-up by the communist government of China, is nothing less than intellectual and journalistic malpractice.
@Elliorr Vizel: Michael Hiltzik has an undergraduate degree in English and a masters in journalism. How in the world would he have any basis for understanding the virology of the SARS-COV-2 virus, and the hubris to determine and write about its origin? It’s like my daughter’s middle school math teacher who, when asked to explain the reasoning behind the “new math” that she was teaching, admitted that she too didn’t understand it. She only had to know how to teach it. Such is the world of non-science majors.
In case anyone is interested: https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/#post-heading
Fascinating link! Thx!
“Hiltzik criticizes my column and others for highlighting . . .”
So a “science” writer objects to people knowing about the science.
Pretty sure that makes him *not* a science writer.
“The Chinese government has been accused [. . .] But that’s highly misleading.” (Hiltzik, the “science” writer)
Foreign dictators have an expression for such Westerners: “useful fools.”
You would think the editors, owner of the paper would look at their bottom line, paid subscribers and then make the analysis of what is causing losses. Could it be their content? Of the quality of their reporters?
The lab leak theory is plausible. Though I do not think it was intentional but just poor safety standards and procedures.
This is why people don’t buy newspapers anymore. The news is available free and unfiltered so why buy propaganda?
JJC,
Good point. MSM went all in on the whole misinformation, disinformation campaign. They were bleeding viewership, suffering in ratings, losing to independent media, they needed to make it look like they were the only ones to be trusted. But as you point out, why would anyone pay for propaganda? That is why so many American’s are switching off. The Food Network and Sponge Bob have more viewers than CNN.
Weren’t at least a few doctors (as in real medical doctors) and medical research scientists disappeared and/or executed by the Chinese police for mentioning online that the covid virus pandemic may have initiated in Wuhan? I assume Mr. Hiltsick believes that to be a more appropriate response.
I will for the rest of my days never deviate from my default position that the government is not to be trusted. That is any government, at any level, in any form, in any location in this country, or any other country.
This is not a presumption of innocence issue. With the power imbalance, the government should never be trusted beyond what can be objectively verified.
The People’s motto for government should be: The government is guilty until they can prove their innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Olly: Love your comments always, but I respectfully NOT disagree, but still note, that distrust in the government is precisely the goal of global agitators/instigators/influencers, particularly those in mass communications, who long for the downfall of Western ideology in favor of a ‘socially-just’ GLOBE (all parts through which China’s “One Road” runs), irrespective of merit or contribution. ?
that distrust in the government is precisely the goal of global agitators/instigators/influencers…
Lin, I feel the same regarding your comments. I would argue that’s not their goal, but rather the means by which they seek to undermine the foundations of western civilization and replace it with their form of “government”. The fact is our government’s creep towards a more globalist ideology has earned them the distrust we all should have with regard to their commitment to constitutional order.
Good point, thanks.
(from lin. I’m in a hurry and hit send!)
Most likely leaked from a lab or a joint US-China exercise. One of the two leaked it. Plenty of likely motives to contemplate.
Where did it come from? Probably born in a Chinese bat cave and raised in Chapel Hill and possibly Hamilton, MT. PBS is defending Rocky Mountain Labs. Mockingbirds all atwitter!
Screw the power players’ narratives – the truth is all that matters. Accountability naturally follows the truth. Oak and hemp.
The LA Times? Need we say more. The last gasps of dying ideology will be both painful yet perversely satisfying to observe. Addiction to a cult created out of whole cloth is difficult to maintain.
“Addiction to a cult created out of whole cloth is difficult to maintain.”
A better description of trump and his followers has never been uttered.
Trump and traditional Americans base their ideology on millennia of culture founded on, not only Judeo/Christian morals but on the heritage of the Ancient classical cultures that have proven so successful in world history. The pernicious and untimely progressives are attempting to, not only “fundamentally transform” America, but the entire globe in an untested/proven failed gaggle of ideas cooked up in faculty lounges and the stew of think tanks. Just as that radicalism of Marx has caused so many deaths and so much suffering, so too the crack pot idea of wealth redistribution and other deviant concepts that are in antithesis of human nature, the prog/left is flailing about, now, attempting to validate their carnage. Good luck to these delusional hordes of cultist who will continue just as the last dregs of jihadis still cling to the rocks of the Pamir Knot believing that their destiny is to create that one world caliphate. You truly need some sound and basic education before speaking/spewing those old worn out talking points.
Whimsicalmama,
Great comment!
Out of the park ma!
It would be small loss to the world if we were to successfully eradicate the ideas and culture of New Guinea Cannibals.
It would cost humanity its rise from primitive Tribes to the incredible standard of living of most people in the world today.
Only the poorest fraction of a percent of the world s population today live worse than kings a few centuries ago.
Modern western culture is the evolutionary pinnacle of at-least seven millennia of human development.
While we are Not at the end of that development – anymore than we were with the german culture of the reformation,
it is absolutely certain that what follows the modern western culture epitomized by the US will be further evolutionary improvements on it, rather than what those on the left seek – which is to destroy that culture, to burn it to the ground, and replace it with a permutation of something that has been tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly – often in copious bloodshed.
No matter what criticism you have of modern western culture – it has raised 8 billion people from abject poverty to a standard of living that did not exist anywhere prior to the last century. It has improved the lives of people arround the world – even those who only marginally adopted or accepted it. There is no fault in western culture – no agregation of faults that does not still leave it at the pinacle of Human culture doing far far far mode good than harm, and far more good than anything that preceded it.
Why don’t you ask the American Indian Nations the good its do. It solely exists upon expansion and growth and development. As we continue, it destroys the very world that provides for us. There’s nothing wrong with primitive civilization, let them thrive as they have forever.
“Addiction to a cult created out of whole cloth is difficult to maintain.”
The problem is, that nobody has to “maintain the cult from the outside, because the people INSIDE the cult will do their own maintaining. What Leon Festinger taught us:
Festinger and his co-authors concluded that the following conditions lead to increased conviction in beliefs following disconfirmation:
1. The belief must be held with deep conviction and be relevant to the believer’s actions or behavior.
2. The belief must have produced actions that are arguably difficult to undo.
3. The belief must be sufficiently specific and concerned with the real world such that it can be clearly disconfirmed.
4. The disconfirmatory evidence must be recognized by the believer.
5. The believer must have social support from other believers.
Think about that. Once the believer believes, he will double-down as long as he has social support from other believers.
And our media/education industry has produced several generations of these “believers” who are ignorant of their ignorance of reality but deeply convinced of their cult beliefs. They also lack any sense of individual resourcefulness but rely on the hive to sustain their grasp of the grift being played on them. I am not sure how we contain this misbegotten ideology that has been pumped into their noggins, these are dangerous generations that lack the true grounding of long-term western cultural norms but are floating on a virtual sea of ideas based on nothing more than the smoke from that hookah-smoking caterpillar.
SNL actually nailed it four years ago, Floyd.
SITRLMAO!
If only we could contain them in a bubble, but not in Brooklyn, but perhaps that is why Trump wants to buy Greenland.
(Apologies for the Brandon moment. It’s obviously been eight years.)
After seeing what has transpired over the last few years I don’t believe China had anything to do with it either. I’m sure I’m not alone as many pundits refer to Washington DC as the synagogue of Satan. So does the Chinese press. The majority of Congress have been compromised. IMO, they’ll do as they’re told. They needed a fall guy (China) to bring about their Operation Warp Speed, mRNA, Stargate, Sam Altman, Larry Ellis injections.
Brian thinks CHINA had nothing to do with a virus that started in CHINA??? You know because the nasty Americans forced this closed society, militaristic one party state to do our bidding for them.
I am not saying that Fauci and Americans had nothing to do with it, but to absolve CHINA says you are on their payroll or you are just an America hater. Oh, and a fool.
Using Chinese facilities does not remove the possibility that more than the Chinese were involved in this global f*ck-up. I agree that there are an equal number of pernicious slime-balls inhabiting the greater DC area and that the deaths of millions has never been a full-stop restriction on megalomaniacs ever. Let’s just say that the intertwined nature of this is not fully disclosed and most probably won’t be short of a total world revolution and maybe not even then. Our lesson from this is the same as what was given us by our founding fathers – big governments of any nature are always a danger to the common man.
Hmmm, what’s your opinion on Chinese spy balloons, Chinese funds paid to our prior CIC ? Build up of force in the South China sea and Taiwan sovereignty?
Regarding the loss of sovereignty for Taiwan, I’m afraid that would (and likely will) be nothing but the very last, faint ripple from a cynical shift in our foreign relations that was begun by Nixon and Kissinger.
Since the fires likely resulted in many cancellations, one has to wonder how many tens of people are left to subcribe to the Times.
I guess JT can’t bring himself to write about the unconstitutional things trump is doing. Gee, I wonder why?
Like what, for instance?
Reagan tried to not spend money that Congress authorized. The SC said no can do, spend the money.
trump is doing the exact same thing
trump thinks by executive decree he can wipe out the 14th amendment.. We’ll see how that goes
How does it feel to be such a loser?
ATS
You do not matter anymore.
No one is supressing your rights – you are free to speak – as you do all the time.
But you have been caught lying largely with every post.
Most people no longer listen.
Only the dying cult of woke left wing nut idiots beleives anything you say.
People do not care about what you care about.
They do not beleive what you say.
Trump’s approval is the highest it has ever been. It is higher than any second term president ever.
No one expects that Trump will govern EXACTLY as they wish.
But they do expect he will govern well – or atleast better than Biden or Harris,
and so far the vast majority are satisfied.
Not only is Trump more popular than ever – but his policies are much more popular then he is .
John Say,
Well said. I do not agree with everything Trump says or does but I would say the same about all previous presidents. His actions since being sworn in and even prior to are a vast contrast to the inaction of the Biden/Harris admin. Even the press secretary, Leavitt, seems even more capable, confident and competent then her predecessor.
The progs are screaming “unconstitutional” as that is their last resort after “racist”. I put my faith in a SCOTUS well grounded on traditional constitutional comprehension, not the unhinged rantings of spoiled brat leftist who cannot tolerate being told NO!
Fuggem
Well sometimes when you are getting chased by a pack of mad dogs, you have to turn and start shooting them to end the chase. Since we are not allowed machine guns we need to kind of pick them off one at a time. That means there is always one last mad dog that you have to put down. Maybe Mr Hiltzik wants to fulfill that role, journalistic wise.
There are still people and journalists who still think there was Russian collusion by the Trump Campaign, Hunter’s laptop was a Russian disinformation campaign, The 2nd shooter at Dallas in 1963, Che was just a Freedom fighter, and on and on.
Maybe Mr Hiltzik, needs to take the buyout offered by Trump for Federal employees, since he seems to parrot the official federal employees just like he is one.
I believe that the only cure this nation has of removing the pernicious ideology of the progressive is the same cure that will stop any islamic jihadist cult member, and we know what that is but it is not a viable option here in America until the left starts a civil war.
This guy Hitslak is the original sock puppet. Got fired for posting comments on his own column and then debating himself. Suprise they hired him back
Hullbobby,
I have come to believe that there is a radical faction that wants disorder, chaos and the collapse of western civilization, especially the United States. In their demented minds, they welcome this. Their goal is to usher in a new world order. The United States and our bill of rights keeps getting in their way.
It is either that or they fried their brains in the 60s and 70s on LSD and Hashish and are too far gone to salvage.
Yes, destroy western civilization leaving oppressed 3rd worlds to blossom with all their genius is the agenda. The basic model for masses, the herds of humanity is the rural Afghani farmer. You’ll find authenticity in that way. Bill gates and friends…
E.M., don’t forget that the CCP wants the US to collapse and they are using useful idiots to do their bidding. It is the same process that the Soviets used when getting their useful idiots to DEMAND that the US end nuclear power while also DEMANDING that we dismantle our nukes while the left never marched against Soviet nukes. Ask yourself when have you ever seen a “climate protest” against anything Chinese. Ask yourself why the “climate” nuts never argue about what China is doing while they build hundreds of coal plants.
Hullbobby
I disagree, China needs America to support their economy. The Chiicoms realize they like the benefits of capitalism. What they want is control over the American economy, not an easy task to achieve.
E.M.
I do think there is a radical faction. They call themselves “progressives.” And they are stupid and insane. They support the stupid and insane traditional Democrats do not support. Those traditional Democrats want them off their side and out of their party, as the stupid and insane have hijacked the Democrat party. The radical faction wants to destroy western civilization to remake it in their own image. And as we have seen, us sane and normal people all reject them. This is a marathon of a fight that we have to win.
E.M., it is not a logical exclusive OR but rather an AND condition – fried synapses AND deliberate destruction of Western civilization.
Neo-Malthusian Technocratic Authoritarian Barbarians, OR, as GEB labels them, mad dogs, in our midst.
@E.M.: Maybe there is a more simple explanation: they just are purely evil.
What you said!!!
The beauty of a free market is that the readers can drop their subscriptions. The dying breed of recalcitrant, activist “journalists” need to find a fallback profession. Perhaps they can do what they suggested to the Keystone pipeline workers when they lost their job, learn coding.
Highlighting fringe weirdos only gives them a larger audience. Ignore them and they will go away. It is like the tree falling in the forest. If no one is there to see or hear it, did it really happen?
“The dying breed of recalcitrant, activist “journalists” need to find a fallback profession. ”
Unfortunately for them, there is a limited number of jobs in the professions for which they are best suited: mucking stalls, and scraping cesspit walls.
First check to see if Hiltzik gets any Chinese funding or if he is paid to contribute to any organization that gets Chinese money.
Secondly, see if Hiltzik is just a left wing propaganda merchant who became invested in the attack on the lab leak theory because Trump was arguing for the theory in 2020?
Papers like the L.A. Times, the N Y Times, WAPO, the Boston Globe, the Miami Herald and many more (especially small newspapers that use the AP or USA Today as their reporters) are leading the left wing vanguard against common sense and what is good for the nation.
One last thought. How is it possible that the citizens of places like Chicago, NY, Boston and even LA want the violent illegals removed, want many more illegals removed due to the cost in resources and quality of life issues (NYC gives illegals who have been here a month and have never worked in the US $500 a month when some poor person that worked a low paying job from 22062 years of age gets about $1200 a month) and yet their “leaders” say they are going to fight against this removal? How is it that 80% of the people don’t want boys in girls sports or locker rooms and yet “leaders” fight for this? How is it that the vast majority of people (even in liberal NYC) don’t want violent men released without bail and yet the “leaders” fight for this?
The above is why the Dems lost and will continue to lose.
HullBobby,
Well said and spot on!
You sure do manage to get the farm chores done bright and early, so you can spend the day here.
How do you manage to get everything done in the dark ????
Electric lights?
How do you manage to be such a loser? Every day.
It’s a tough job pointing out your hypocrisy, but someone has to do it.
What hypocrisy would that be? HullBobby’s comment is accurate. As long as those news outlets continue their advocacy journalism they will continue to lose subscribers or ratings. As long as leftist Democrat leaders continue to vote against the wishes of their voters, the will continue to lose voters.
The hypocrisy is your fantasy that you are a farmer.
You have no credibility about anything when you persist in living in a fantasy world
Wow. What a witty come back. I am in awe at your obvious high intellect to point out all my hypocrisy of . . . being a farmer.
But! I thank you! With all your inane comments like that one above, you not only prove your low level elevator IQ but of how much of a loser you are.
How marvelous!!!
You are here all day, every day.
When do you get the farm chores done ?????
Perhaps you have a bunch of undocumented illegal aliens working your “farm” while you relax in the warmth of your home in front of your computer, making comments about how wonderful it is that Trump is deporting all the aliens.
Now that really would be hypocrisy.
What is more fun is watching you have your mental melt down over your little fantasy about me. You know, there are these great things like electricity, mobile smart devices, Wi-Fi, 5G. 🙂
I got it! You have Upstate Farmer Derangement Syndrome!!! I live rent free in your little mind!!
How marvelous!!!
Note: I actually stopped the tractor to type this!!
Tell us all, in this fantasy of yours that you have about me, what time do I get up? Do I drink tea or coffee? If I drink coffee, how do I take it? How many tractors do I have? One? Or three? How many barns and out buildings do I have? What kind of livestock do I own? How many? What kind of device am I using right now to type all of this? An iPhone? Samsung Galaxy tablet? Who is my provider? What book am I reading right now?
🙂
Getting a little defensive perhaps ????
Trying to embellish your fantasy???
Reality bites when it intrudes on your fantasies doesn’t it.
More attention seeking behaviors from the resident groomer troll, targeting UF with your gay advances. Slow morning at the baths in WeHo or does no one think youre worth wasting lubricant?
If you are worried about people getting money from China, then look no further than Elmo Muskrat.
He makes $22 billion a year in China.
22% of Tesla profits come from China
I agree with everything you said, but for this: “The above is why the Dems lost and will continue to lose.”
It is why they lost, but there is absolutely no assurance whatsoever that they will CONTINUE to lose. Over 75 million people voted for what was arguably the dumbest lump to ever run for President ever. A person so inept and incompetent that even the Democrats themselves preferred to let a cognitively impaired person like Biden stay in power. The schmuck didn’t even know what he was signing. Let some Democrat, even a bit better, run for office, and the game is back on.
Woke is not dead, and neither are the Democrats. Even AFTER Trump won, every Democrat but two in the House voted to let boys play in girl’s sports.
How is it that 87% of US citizens favor term limits for congressional representatives, yet it will never pass ?
The answer is within the question…