Yesterday, I tweeted out after hearing a segment on National Public Radio on the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. NPR reported that there was no evidence presented that Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member and that “he had been living quietly in Maryland” before he was suddenly arrested and deported. While many disagree on the handling of the case, few would agree that Abrego Garcia who was reported for spousal abuse and suspected of human trafficking was “living quietly in Maryland.”
Anyone listening to the radio program would have been left with an incomplete and distorted account of the case.
The print story used the same language as the radio segment. NPR claimed that Abrego Garcia
“was granted protection by an immigration judge in 2019 that should have prevented his deportation. He had been living quietly in Maryland with his wife and three children and working in construction until Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers arrested and deported him last month.”
I have previously said that I believe the Administration should have returned Abrego Garcia to the United States for a correct and prompt deportation. If he were to be brought back, I cannot see any barrier to Abrego Garcia not only being deported but deported back to El Salvador.
NPR leaves out a couple of facts in its passing reference to his being “granted protection by an immigration judge.” Abrego Garcia already had a hearing at which the judge found evidence that he was an MS-13 member. It was not only based on his being arrested with MS-13 gang members and wearing clothing associated with the gang. It was also based on a confidential source connected to the gang. After losing at his hearing, Abrego Garcia then lost on appeal.
The only reason that Abrego Garcia was not removed is that he said that he was being threatened by a gang that could harm him in El Salvador. That gang, however, reportedly no longer exists.
More importantly, President Trump has declared MS-13 a Foreign Terrorist Organization, which bars the use of the justification for his not being removed. In other words, he has little factual or legal foundation under his original claims to remain in the country.
However, putting the merits aside, NPR’s portrayal of Abrego Garcia was bizarre. He was repeatedly accused of beating his wife. The court record states:
“Per the Prince Georges County Police Gang Unit, ABREGO-Garcia was validated as a member of the Mara Salvatrucha (MS13) Gang. Subject was identified as a member of the Mara Salvatrucha MS-13, “Chequeo” from the Western Clique a transnational criminal street gang. This information was provided by tested source who has provided truthful accurate information in the past. See Prince Georges County Police Department (Gang Sheet).”
Abrego Garcia was also suspected of human trafficking. Indeed, the description of the stop leaves one astonished that he was allowed to simply drive away. According to DHS:
“On Dec. 1, 2022, Abrego Garcia was stopped by the Tennessee Highway Patrol for speeding. Upon approach to the vehicle, the encountering officer noted eight other individuals in the vehicle. There was no luggage in the vehicle, leading the encountering officer to suspect this was a human trafficking incident. Additionally, all the passengers gave the same home address as the subject’s home address. During the interview, Abrego Garcia pretended to speak less English than he was capable of and attempted to put the encountering officer off-track by responding to questions with questions. When asked what relationship he had with the registered owner of the vehicle, Abrego Garcia replied that the owner of the vehicle is his boss, and that he worked in construction…
The encountering officer decided not to cite the subject for driving infractions but gave him a warning citation for driving with an expired driver’s license. Abrego Garcia’s driver’s license was a MD “Limited Term Temporary” license. The encountering officer gathered names of other occupants in the vehicle but could not read their handwriting. The officer did not pursue further information due to no citation being issued.”
So Abrego Garcia, an undocumented immigrant, was stopped with an expired license in a car with eight others and no luggage on a trip from Texas to Maryland. He gave a false statement and the officer suspected human trafficking but let him go.
It is now being reported that the person whom Abrego Garcia described as his “boss” at a construction job was Jose Ramon Hernandez Reyes, an illegal migrant previously convicted of human smuggling. The black 2001 Chevrolet Suburban belonged to Hernandez Reyez.
One can reasonably object that there was no final adjudication of these claims from spousal abuse to human trafficking to gang membership. However, it strains credulity to claim that Abrego Garcia was living a “quiet” life in Maryland. The complaint of his wife that he was a wife-beater alone would seem to contradict NPR’s claim.
The claim has that certain “fiery but mostly peaceful” quality to it . . . except NPR just decided to leave out the “fiery” and the “mostly” parts.
This month I wrote about NPR repeating a false claim that the Supreme Court rejected the claim the government was involved in censorship — despite the express statement of the Court to the contrary.
NPR has long been accused of showing bias in its coverage. It is now facing calls to end the public subsidy for the news outlet.
Jonathan Turley is the author of best-selling book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
Another example of the horrible manipulation of the Law to achieve a political or social victory. He will get returned. Then the process of endless court proceedings will begin. Rulings, appeals, ceaseless hearings. All of this funded by NGOs and American taxpayers. And, he will still be here. A disgusting, disgraceful game.
They want to certify every illegal as a “class”, and provide pro bono habeas lawyers for every single one of them. They either didn’t have due process in illegally entering the country, or they already had due process and are going to be removed. How much due process do illegals deserve? And why are Americans not afforded the same due process and speedy trial? Anthony vs Metcalf doesn’t seem to be facing the same due process the Dems want of illegals.
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He’s gone. It’s over.
“ Abrego Garcia already had a hearing at which the judge found evidence that he was an MS-13 member. It was not only based on his being arrested with MS-13 gang members and wearing clothing associated with the gang. It was also based on a confidential source connected to the gang.”
That’s a lie. The claims of Abrego Garcia’s MS-13 membership are conclusory. They are not based on evidence. The only evidence for that claim is based on an unverified informant, and a police inspector whose testimony has never been cross examined. That confidential source was never cross examined and both claims show no direct evidence that Garcia was ever a member of ms-13. It’s based on double hearsay.
This is a much better explanation about the claims and why they are not credible.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13–what-do-we-know
The Trump admininstration has been lying from the get-go and coupled with their defiance of court orders they clearly don’t have the evidence to assert that he really is a gang member.
As to Turley’s claim that Garcia was suspected of human trafficking, it’s irrelevant. Suspicion is not evidence. The traffic stop is used by Turley to smear Garcia with allegations and insinuation without evidence. It’s conclusory. That kind of rationale would never fly in court. Garcia has not criminal record and to assume he is a gang memeber because of the clothes he wore is not enough to assertain that he is indeed a gang member. Snoop Dog dresses like a gang member and we don’t accuse him of being one, right?
I don’t think any of us will ever want to click any links you provide, Georgie, especially one by the name of Lawfare Media.
Can you answer one thing for me? How much DUE PROCESS is enough? He was found by an immigration court AND an appeals court to be in the country illegally, tangential relation to a psycho murdergang notwithstanding. He’s ha two tries, and is guilty and denied. How much more due process should we afford someone who has already had it? If we bring him back, we’d have to go through the process again, which will then go against Double Jeopardy in the Fifth Amendment.
How much more must we spin this man’s life, George?
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He wasn’t able to cross-examine his accusers. Turns out the claims of gang membership rest only on the fact that he was wearing clothing. That’s not definitive of gang affiliation.
Btw. The link is not a propaganda site. It discusses the entire history of Garcia’s predicament in detail. Something Turley and the government don’t do.
PS; due process is not a one time thing. The deportation and his previous hearing are two different cases. Each has its own due process requirements.
TWO Judges says he was. Did you forget that
Irrelevant. Conclusory assertions is not evidence.
That’s not an answer, Georgie-poo. He had 2 trials, an immigration court, and the presiding appeals court. Both, regardless of gang affiliation, found him to be illegal and ordered deportation; to what country is also notwithstanding to my question. How much Due Process should one man be afforded?
there’s also the RO placed on him by his wife for domestic violence. A judge had to approve of that, and a judge did just that. That’s 3 due processes now. HOW MUCH MORE IS NEEDED?!
He had a protection from removal order. It was never rescinded. The courts found he was deportable, BUT he demonstrated successfully to the courts that he faced danger if he were to be deported. That’s why he was granted the protection from removal.
“ How much Due Process should one man be afforded?”
Each accusation or charge is a new opportunity to challenge it. That’s where due process comes in. Its not a one time thing.
there’s also the RO placed on him by his wife for domestic violence. A judge had to approve of that, and a judge did just that. That’s 3 due processes now. HOW MUCH MORE IS NEEDED?!“
Its apparent you don’t understand how due process works. Each new accusation or legal procedure gives you the opportunity to challenge it. That’s due process. Even challenging previous rulings or evidence is part of it. Due process is exhausted when no more challenges are possible or the Supreme Court makes a final ruling.
Ask Mayorkas. Mayorkas ran a program of quid pro quo FBI informants. Some are deals with females trafficked for shady purposes.
Mayorkas is an honest man and will tell the truth—> we’ve broken your border. It’s securely broken and we will now extort from you a rewrite of immigration laws.
georgie says “He had a protection from removal order.”
complete lie.
how many more times does georgie boy have to be told , the protection was only for removal to el salvador, which the gov’t openly admitted had been a mistake.
“ georgie says “He had a protection from removal order.”
complete lie.
how many more times does georgie boy have to be told , the protection was only for removal to el salvador, which the gov’t openly admitted had been a mistake.”
So you admit it was NOT a lie. You just said he had a protection from removal order. Right? They knew he was not supposed to be deported to El Salvador and they did it anyway making his deportation illegal.
So how is it a lie if you admit he had a protection from removal order? You’re not making any sense.
George: Humbly I offer some advice as to why you are ridiculed.
(1). When you cannot even spell ascertain correctly, (this is NOT a typo), we see immediately that you are not as educated or knowledgeable as you think you are coming across as. This is but one simple example of a repeated giveaway when we assess you. MANY “big words” seem to escape your spelling correctness, but you never seem to misspell more common words, so we know these are not typos.
(2) When you make really laughable, unsupported, know-it-all statements like “…and to assume he is a gang member because of the clothes he wore is not enough to assertain [sic] that he is indeed a gang member,” you give your ignorance away.” There is NO evidence supporting that his arrest was premised on “the clothes he wore.”
(3) The opening paragraph that you cite as a lie, “Abrego Garcia already had a hearing…” is profoundly more truthful than the garbage you post everyday and we laugh at.
Keep going like this, my brother, and you will continue to suffer our ridicule.
Does someone want to dig up the comment from someone, about a week ago I believe, on the deep dive on Biden ejecting over 3,000 from the United States, all with “unconfirmed” gang affiliations due to clothing, relations, tatoos, etc.?
Not that George would read or understand it, but I think it should serve as a reminder that dem priorities do not lie where their mouths run.
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“ There is NO evidence supporting that his arrest was premised on “the clothes he wore.”
That’s not what I said. That’s what they are using to assert that he is a gang member. The informant wasn’t cross-examined and neither was the cop who claimed to be a credible expert on gangs.
Spelling errors are irrelevant. If that were an issue our resident “intellectual” John Say would be just as incredible due to his own spelling errors. Right?
“ The opening paragraph that you cite as a lie, “Abrego Garcia already had a hearing…” is profoundly more truthful than the garbage you post everyday and we laugh at.”
Whats your point? The opening paragraph is not truthful because its NOT been proven that he is indeed a gang member. The assertion is based on double hearsay and also from a police officer who had been suspended for some sort of misconduct. All the “evidence” against Garcia is conclusory.
George: re your statement, “The claims of Abrego Garcia’s MS-13 membership are conclusory. They are not based on evidence,”
and your statement, “…was suspected of human trafficking, it’s irrelevant. Suspicion is not evidence.”
George, I think you meant to say that the evidence presented is “circumstantial,” and many, many a jury has convicted or found liable a defendant on circumstantial evidence, which a jury may use in order to come to a conclusion.
Apparently, two courts of law (immigration and appellate) –which have 100% authority to discard ‘irrelevant’ circumstantial evidence, chose to allow/include/consider such evidence as sequential additions to their overall, conclusory, decisions. i.e., that such evidence was relevant and more probative than prejudicial, for one thing.
“I would have thought you knew that.”
georgie, it is the WEIGHT given to admissible circumstantial evidence that matters. And how do you know that the out-of-court witness is not a vetted informant who has been “cross-examined” extra-judicially, before his/her information was considered? More and more we see that you are not lawyer who knows what he is talking about
There was never a cross examinationfo the informant or the detective claimimg he was a gang member. There is doubt about the detective’s assertions after he was suspended for an undisclosed reason.
All the evidence against Garcia claiming he is a gang member are conclusory with double hearsay as evidence.
( I temper my note to you by saying that if I recall correctly, the immigration and appellate courts did not even rule based on what you argue, but instead found same as “trustworthy” or “reasonable,” I could be wrong.
The courts relied on the “trustworthy” claims of an informant and a detective that was suspended for some reason. None of the accusations were truly verified. Garcia’s lawyer was not allowed to cross examine those two indivisuals. None of that is definitive proof that Garcia is or ever was a gang member.
The Trump administration will lie and obfuscate the facts to justify the claim that Garcia is a gang member. He’s not. He has no criminal record and he’s never admitted he was a member. The administration is using accusation as evidence instead of offering real evidence.
lin,
“ George, I think you meant to say that the evidence presented is “circumstantial,” and many, many a jury has convicted or found liable a defendant on circumstantial evidence, which a jury may use in order to come to a conclusion.”
No, I meant conclusory. It’s a legal term. In a legal context, “conclusory” refers to a statement or allegation that asserts a conclusion without providing supporting evidence or facts. It’s essentially a claim that lacks the necessary basis to be considered factual or to support a legal argument.
The government asserts Garcia is an ms-13 gang member but it does not provide evidence beyond the assumption that the clothing he was wearing at the time of his arrest was indeed concrete evidence that he was a gang member.
Here’s a more detailed explanation of the events leading to the claim. It’s quite a read but it holds clear evidence that it’s not certain that Garcia was ever a gang member.
“ According to his recent complaint, here’s what happened to Abrego Garcia on March 28, 2019: At Home Depot, he joined three other young men looking for jobs. He recognized all three, though he’d never interacted with two of them before. At 2:27 p.m, a Hyattsville City Police officer approached them. Later, officers from the Prince George’s (County) Police Department arrived and handcuffed all four men.
At the station, the four were placed in different rooms. Per the complaint,
Abrego Garcia was asked if he was a gang member; when he told police he was not, they said that they did not believe him and repeatedly demanded that he provide information about other gang members. The police told Plaintiff Abrego Garcia that he would be released if he cooperated, but he repeatedly explained that he did not have any information to give because he did not know anything.
Sometime thereafter, ICE officers arrived and took Abrego Garcia into federal immigration detention. The next day, ICE brought removal proceedings against him. The sole charge was under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(A)(i), which provides that “[a]n alien present in the United States without being admitted or paroled, or who arrives in the United States at any time or place other than as designated by the Attorney General, is inadmissible.”
On April 24, 2019—after nearly a month in custody—Abrego Garcia was taken to his removal hearing before Immigration Judge Elizabeth A. Kessler. His then-attorney, Chicas, applied for his release on bail. ICE opposed the application, arguing that Abrego Garcia presented a danger to the community because local police had identified him as a “verified” active gang member.
“I attended his bond hearing,” Jennifer writes in her declaration, “and was shocked when the government said he should stay detained because Kilmar is an MS-13 gang member. Kilmar is not and has never been a gang member. I’m certain of that.”
The allegation appears to stem from two documents that were introduced before Judge Kessler: a federal I-213 form (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), filled out by ICE, and a form generated by the Prince George’s Police Department, called a Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS). The latter had been entered into the Prince George’s Police Department database at 6:47 p.m. on March 28, 2019—about four hours after police met Abrego Garcia for the first time—according to Abrego Garcia’s recent complaint.
The government has not introduced either the I-213 or GFIS form in its defense of Abrego Garcia’s recent legal proceedings. The descriptions of those documents provided here are based on characterizations of them provided by Kessler in her ruling and Abrego Garcia’s current attorney in his complaint.
Apparently relying on the assertions of the I-213 form, which, in turn, apparently relied on the assertions of the GFIS, Kessler wrote: “The Respondent was arrested in the company of other ranking gang members and was confirmed to be a ranking member of the MS-13 gang by a proven and reliable source.”
But Kessler—even while crediting the government’s claim of gang membership—acknowledged that the two documents were, in at least one respect, glaringly “at odds” with one another. The federal I-213 form claimed that Abrego Garcia had been detained “in connection with a murder investigation,” while the GFIS form said he and the others had been arrested because they were “loitering outside of a Home Depot,” as Kessler wrote.
Kessler found that both documents were admissible in immigration court, notwithstanding the objection of Abrego Garcia’s then-attorney, Chicas, who protested that he’d not been permitted to cross-examine the detective whose accusations seemed to underlie both.
Kessler then went on to find that Abrego Garcia had failed to meet his burden of showing that his release “would not pose a danger to others.” This was so, she wrote, because she found ICE’s accusation about his gang membership “trustworthy.” She continued:
Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.
Kessler did not explain in her ruling what she meant about Abrego Garcia’s clothing. But Abrego Garcia’s recent complaint, by attorney Sandoval-Moshenberg, fills in that eyebrow-raising detail—as well as several others:
The GFIS explained that the only reason to believe Plaintiff Abrego Garcia was a gang member was that he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique. …
According to the Department of Justice and the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office, the “Westerns” clique operates in Brentwood, Long Island, in New York, a state that Plaintiff Abrego Garcia has never lived in.
So the uncross-examined detective’s accusation came from an unidentified informant who was also, perforce, uncross-examined—a second layer of hearsay.
Abrego Garcia’s lawyer later tried to obtain more information about the allegations ICE had made at the bail hearing, according to the complaint. He discovered that the Prince George’s Police Department had no incident report for the arrest, and the Hyattsville City Police Department’s report mentioned only the other three men arrested—not Abrego Garcia.
Then the complaint adds yet another disturbing detail:
His attorney also contacted the [Prince George’s Police Department] Inspector General requesting to speak to the detective who authored the GFIS sheet, but was informed that the detective had been suspended. A request to speak to other officers in the Gang Unit was declined.
In the recent Maryland federal court litigation, the government has not contested, through introduction of evidence, any of the specific accusations of Abrego Garcia’s complaint. It has only, in conclusory fashion, continued to cling to Judge Kessler’s finding that Abrego Garcia was an MS-13 member. (Kessler’s bond decision was later upheld on administrative appeal in a perfunctory two-page opinion.)
Having been refused bail by Kessler, Abrego Garcia remained incarcerated at the Howard Detention Center in Jessup, Maryland. In June 2019, Jennifer and he got married, separated by a pane of glass. They passed rings to each other through an officer, according to Jennifer’s declaration.
By that time, Abrego Garcia had applied for asylum and similar forms of relief in an attempt to prevent his return to El Salvador, where he feared persecution by Barrio 18. (The attorney who filed that application, Lucia Curiel, did not return calls.) Although the asylum claim proved to be time-barred—aliens are required to bring such claims within a year of entering the country—in October 2019 Judge Jones did grant his request for “withholding of removal” based on his “well-founded” fear of persecution by Barrio 18. The government did not appeal, so Jones’s ruling is now final.
Shortly after he won “withholding of removal” status, Abrego Garcia was released to return home. Evidently, no one saw him as presenting any danger to the community anymore.
Since then, once a year, Abrego Garcia has “checked in” with immigration officials. This is the standard procedure required of individuals with his status—removable, but with removal “withheld” from their country of origin. Abrego Garcia’s last routine check-in occurred on Jan. 2 of this year, without incident.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/abrego-garcia-and-ms-13–what-do-we-know
George: Thanks for telling me that conclusory is a legal term.
I am a trial litigator. I think I know what conclusory means, and have used it in successful objections many, many a time.
Your use of “conclusory” is unequivocally inappropriate.
As has been pointed out to you, his removal/deportability was not premised on the objections you raise, and you have shown neither any evidence that his attorney argued or even raised the objection of conclusory evidence, -nor any indication that Kessler or anyone else ruled on or dismissed anything based on it being “conclusory.”
Aren’t you the one who keeps criticizing other commenters for not supporting comments with “evidence?”
Are you just trying to use big words, as also has been said?
thanks anyway, enough.
Lin, then you know Garcia’s lawyer was not able to cross -examine the informant and the detective. The informant was not verified as reliable and the detective was suspect given his supension.
What about the two documents that are at odds with each other? That raises legitimate questions of doubt about the claims.
We are not talking about his removal issue. We are talking about claims Garcia is a gang member. The reason behind the removal to El Salvador because he was allegedly identified as a gang member. It’s the sole reason why he was deported despite the fact that there was a protection from removal order that was never recinded.
“and the detective was suspect given his supension.”
dear non-lawyer georgie, if you knew what you were talking about, you would realize that ANY evidence meant to discredit the suspended officer would have to be relevant to his CREDIBILITY regarding this matter. Do you know what he was suspended for?
And didn’t his suspension happen AFTER the Garcia matter, for matters unrelated?
Whoo, boy, you are clearly not legally educated.
Garcia’s lawyer would have had the infomation about the suspension and question the credibility of the detective if he was allowed to cross examine him.
Garcia had the right to face his accusers, right? He wasn’t given that opportunity. Remember, police are legally allowed to lie. That’s why they are cross examined under oath. When they CAN’T lie.
well then,,georgie, did Garcia’s lawyer tell the court that “…to assume he is a gang member because of the clothes he wore is not enough to assertain [sic] that he is indeed a gang member,” and is “conclusory?”
Georgie always goes down swingin’ but he does go down.
georgie, did Garcia’s lawyer object and bring up those brilliant arguments that raise? Not just any argument, but the ones that you mention?
You know, about “conclusory” (a word you learned on this site) and about “no chance to cross-examine?
If not, then that constitutes a waiver, doesn;t it?
Looking at what you submit to make your silly point, (friom the left-wing-rag Lawfare), you just shot yourself in the foot, georgie, with your own posting from Lawfare,
“Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information” verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.”
Again, georgie,
“Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a “past, proven, and reliable source of information”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DId you even read it? Why did you even imply that a decision was based on his clothing.?
Looks like those that responded to you, mr. georgie, are right and you show your ignorance again.
He “failed” because he was not allowed to cross examine those who were making the claim. Which is what the article goes on to say. The court relied on a double hearsay to assert that Garcia is a gang member without the benefit of a cross examiniaton. That is a flaw that can be exploited by Garcia if he gets back here.
georgie, did you read what you posted yourself, from the ruling. “the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.” Sounds like the court(s)’ gave his lawyer a chance……
Clown
TO GEORGE:
You say, “The government asserts Garcia is an ms-13 gang member but it does not provide evidence beyond the assumption that the clothing he was wearing at the time of his arrest was indeed concrete evidence that he was a gang member.”
“but it does not provide evidence beyond the clothing he was wearing…”
THAT IS A LIE.
yes, the government did assert that Garcia was such a gang member.
1. It offered his companionship with other such gang members (he said he knew two of the three) that he was found with. 2. It offered the recognizable tattoos.
3. It offered the Chicago Bulls clothing
4. It offered the police report
5. It offered the statement of the gang expert.
(apparently the judge did not place any significance on the clothing, so that defeats your whole plagiarized argument.)
The record reflects that Garcia offered no evidence to rebut.
You have provided no evidence that Garcia’s attorney objected to lack of cross exam
Instead, you LIFTED that argument from the Lawfare article that you link. just like gigi. CLown
It’s difficult ousting an FBI informant. I guess xinis will get her opportunity.
It’s time to bring Abrego Garcia back to the U.S. and put him through the Correctional system’s Gender Reassignment Program. The identity change will protect him from ‘rival gangs’, while allowing a life of “living quietly in Maryland” as a homemaker, Ms. Abby Garcia. The re-importation of Garcia and the integration into the LGBTQ community will be welcomed with open arms and satisfy the Democrats hunger for justice served in this matter, and make a great story for NPR.
Many times a day, if I am checking my Facebook page, l find numerous posts from Disney, showcasing their new movie about Snow White
It is a desperate attempt by them to convince me as to how great the actress is etc.
It’s a pathetic attempt at gaslighting, but it’s all that Disney can do to at this point.
I am seeing the similarity in what the media is doing; flailing about desperately trying to cover up what is so painfully before our eyes, a total rejection by the majority of the hogwash they are pushing.
They did the same thing about biden, clinton, hunter, covid, etc. It won’t stop anymore than any jihadi would confess that he rejects Islam, their entire faith/ideology is all that they have and they are clinging to it.
I was expecting JT to take a more decisive position on defunding NPR. While he’s criticizing NPR misinforming the public point-by-point to push a political narrative, he stops short of endorsing cutting off the public spigot.
Turley’s ethos surrounding free speech, from what he says in his book and his daily articles, allows the most powerful in society — including government — to intentionally propagandize the public. The only remedy he considers correct is countering the propaganda, even if the counter-information arrives too late to matter, or fails to reach or impact those already manipulated. He holds out some naive, idealism that skillful propaganda doesn’t have the ability to harden opinions beyond the point of being reconsidered — when we all know that just the opposite is true.
I’d prefer a system of free speech where powerful entities can be held liable by civil lawsuit for intentionally misleading the public.
Cutting off federal funding to NPR is not going to put them out of business, because they get 95% from donors. The “free press” will continue to be exploited to manipulate the public so long as there are no legal costs for doing so. The big loser in all this infowarfare is the public, and our rights of self-government (which depends upon a trustworthy public infospace). Turley’s idea of deathcage (deceitful) infowarfare being a “necessary component” of a well-functioning democracy is foolish — the results are already in, and don’t look good. Ours is NOT a well-functioning democracy by any objective measure.
I agree, essentially the rot is not in the entity NPR anymore than this rot is found in the school building, but in the minds of. The prog/left.
Until we can remove the rotten ideology of progressive humanism and all that it shelters under its multicultural umbrella, we will only harden their determination to hate.
Let’s face it, we are up against a fanatic ideology that CANNOT accept criticism because it has been constructed on falsehoods and cannot sustain its promise of utopia anymore that Islam will concede on their conquest to form their one-world caliphate and their notion of utopia.
We are not dealing with people who approach the world rationally, but from a religious fervor of utter faith alone. The shuttering of institutions will not stop them.
Leftism: “… a fanatic ideology that CANNOT accept criticism because it has been constructed on falsehoods … (of) a religious fervor…” Excellent observation, Ma.
Watch Senator Chris Van Hollen for the lead on where this story goes.
ol’ Chris took the stooge bait and hot-trotted down to El Salvador to meet with Garcia. Either ignoring the record on Garcia or possibly not caring out of a desire to make political headlines, Chris got to meet with the gang-banger face to face. And even a stooge like ol’ Chris knows when he is dealing with a bad actor. So what does Chris do? He comes back and emphasizes Garcia’s family/wife aspect. What happened to the ‘due process’ aspect, eh Chris? If Chris keeps emphasizing the family/wife aspect and downplaying all other aspects, you can come to one likely conclusion: ol’ Chris knows he is dealing with a gang-banger and he wants to distance himself by slithering off the stage. Too late Chris, your gang-banger had his ‘due process’ before he beat his wife.
BTW, Chris, do you consider yourself a smart guy? If so, do you really think Garcia wants to come back to the US under these circumstances and risk long term prison sentences? Heck, why come back here when you can enjoy audiences with Democratic Party leaders from the comfort of your cell in El Salvador AND you know the El Salvadorians will work to keep you alive and avoid an incident with bad headlines??
Senator Chris Van Hollen and the Democratic Party: Fighting for gang-bangers and the gang-banger vote! (with NPR’s help, of course)
Notice when Chris was asked if he asked Garcia if he was MS-13. He said NO!
You now know the answer.
Trump should shut down NPR and fight that fight in the Courts.
Flood the Judicial system with Court Cases exactly in the same manner the Democrats did using law fare.
Turn the thing around on them and watch them go crazy as they lose case after case after case….as they did in law fare.
But that would result in big wins for the People of the United States as the Judicial Branch reminds the Democrats and Congress what powers the Executive Branch holds under the Constitution. It would also help clarify what powers the Legislative Branch has surrendered to the Bureaucrats in the past.
Hmm, who said that the media was the enemy of the people? They lie, withhold and mislead in the name of social activism journalism.
The jury of public- and taxpayer- opinion is not unlike a jury in a civil or criminal court matter. Both want to hear the truth. You do not want to be the lawyer who looks like a hider of truth. Enter inoculating your client against bad facts. You tell the panel during selection about unflattering facts of your client that are going to come into evidence. Do it not and you’ve handed the other party a gotcha, and they’ll drive a semi through it. What’s this got to do with NPR? The jury in the courtroom is a fractal of us out here. In both settings you do not get a kindly verdict if the jury sees its been played for a chump.
On Tuesday’s NPR radio show “Here and Now”, the topic of RFK’s Autism Prevention Research campaign was eviscerated by guests speaking on behalf of Autism Treatment organizations. The idea to prevent Autism was presented as a zero-sum game, meaning any progress achieved would work to the detriment to those already suffering from ASD. The show host allowed to go unchallenged RFK’s assertion that “autism destroys families” being “repackaged” as meaning families currently dealing with autism are worthless — when clearly RFK was talking about the future and prevention, not disparaging existing families.
I was disgusted enough to tweet the show host Deepa Fernandes about how unfairly the prevention topic was presented in the piece. According to the narrative, we cannot both prevent autism and treat current sufferers with dignity — we have to choose one or the other, because as soon as we get traction with prevention, Americans will decide to shun ASD sufferers (as is done in South Korea).
NPR holds very low expectations of their fellow Americans, and has no problem broadcasting them.
can we sue NPR for mostly lying?
“we”, you have no standing.
Hopefully, Congress will defund NPR and PBS. I watch a few shows on PBS which have sponsors. PBS and NPR shows can now exist on platforns like Utube. Federal funding is no longer needed for either PBS or NPR.
Professor Turkey, I would like for you to clarify what “due process” any immigrant in this country illegally is entitled to. It sounds like Democrats want a very robust process. Why isn’t the verdict of an immigration judge sufficient? What, if any, appeals are available? And are there any valid grounds to revoke the Biden administration’s granting of mass temporary or parole status?
Any person within the boundaries of the USA, has the rights and protections afforded by the Constitution. Surprised you don’t that.
You really have no idea what rights you or anyone in the USA have.
It’s a reasonable question. Yes, everyone in the US has the rights afforded by the Constitution. But, for instance, that doesn’t always include the right to stay in the country. Furthermore, “due process” doesn’t always mean the same thing in all contexts. Deportation cases are not guaranteed a right to a jury, as I understand it. Typically, though, they are entitled to review by a deportation judge.
Mostly correct. Under the Immigration Responsibility Act of 2005 (G.W. Bush), illegals caught within 100 miles of the border and believed to be Mexican nationals can receive “expedited removal”, meaning they are NOT entitled to a hearing before an administrative judge.
Because the recent flood of illegals did not include many Mexicans, this part of the law has not been publicized much.
“Any person within the boundaries of the USA, (sic) has the rights and protections afforded by the Constitution”.
Simplistic, wrong and annoying. In hockey they call that a hat trick.
As for due process tell us if you can demand Miranda Warnings and a jury trial for a speeding ticket. Can an illegal caught within 100 miles of the border demand a trial before getting deported? Can Americans demand due process when allowing 10 million illegals into the country in 3 1/2 years?
I saw his flat-out lie, hullbobby, and the mendacity enraged me; the audacity infuriated me. Thanks for shooting him down.
“ “Any person within the boundaries of the USA, (sic) has the rights and protections afforded by the Constitution”.
Simplistic, wrong and annoying. In hockey they call that a hat trick.”
How is it wrong? Every person within the boundaries of the USA IS under the Constitution’s jurisdiction. Only those rights specifically called out as rights of citizens like voting are not rights entitled to non-citizens. Those addressed to “persons” or “the people” apply even to non-citizens. That includes the right to exercise free speech, 2nd amendment rights, the right to due process, and the right to be secure from your papers, property, etc. Mahmound Khalil and Ozturk were illegally arrested because they chose to exercise their free speech rights just like anyone else residing within our boundaries.
Wrong George.
If you go to another country. You must follow their runs. Not your own.
Protesting and speaking about over-throwing is not protected.
“Those addressed to “persons” or “the people” apply even to non-citizens.”
Prove it true, George Svelaz.
One way to think about it is aliens have another place to go to where they can continue with their protests. I don’t think you are smart enough to get the point.
There has to be many instances where the crimes of specific illegals can be linked to specific NGOs that brought them here. The victims of crimes by illegals should bring class-action lawsuits against every NGO enabling illegal immigration. The victims of crimes by illegals should hammer media figures with lawsuits. The states should bring lawsuits against NGOs, too, for costs and damages related to illegal immigration. Do to the Left what they did to Alex North and the NRA. Lawfare on a scale that will send these Fuhrers to their bunkers.
Defunding NPR is the least anybody can do.
” Lawfare on a scale that will send these Fuhrers to their bunkers.”
Lawfare is one of the ways of getting in their face that I was talking about. Skip being purists and go for the guts of the enemy. We did this with Islamist extremists using lawfare to target sensible writers like Robert Spencer. with lawfare. The individual writer could not protect himself, so a fund was created to fight the lawfare. Together, we stand.
Some all-too-proper individuals didn’t want to use lawfare because it was using law legally but inappropriately. Lawfare worked because the Islamists quit when it got to the deposition stage. No one with secrets wants to be deposed.
Others didn’t want to use it because they didn’t want to heighten the logic or get people angry at them. Lawfare won the day against the Islamist writers.
We did something similar with textbooks that were inappropriately downgrading Christianity and Judaism. In that instance, it was more about using human capital than money. The books were changed, and Islamists lost their power.
Everyone thinks these types of things cannot be done. They can, but the amount of money and labor isn’t as significant as some assume.
Any football coach gets it: hit ’em in the numbers.
NPR just continues to report misinformation (otherwise known as lies) just like they have for the previous 2-3 decades and maybe more.
Seems they can have any additional hearing or judgments while Mr Garcia continues to live a quiet life in El Salvador. His presence is not required in Maryland and Washington. The final judgements can be made and then he can be sent back to El Salvador except they won’t have to do that since he is already there.
In the meantime his quiet life will continue to be disturbed by Democratic Congressman and Senators coming down to El Salvador to genuflect at this feet.
It almost reminds you of the disturbance created in Portugal by the Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima. A few more democrats get down there and we may have papal visits (once the new one is elected) and then a beatification of Mr Garcia.
Think of it, Democrats, Mr Garcia, a Nuncio, NPR all in one place. I think I can feel a miracle coming on.
“report misinformation (otherwise known as lies) ” Can you prove they are “lies”? Also its a matter of interpretation of information. Most likely you have NPR Derangement Syndrome.
“2-3 decades maybe more”. How can you possibly know that? You write nonsense.
Anonymous 8:13AM-got up on the wrong side of the bed again today and crotchety as usual. My wife listened to NPR for decades and I had to listen whenever I was in her car. Not in mine. Approx 30 years ago it was a palatable outlet but just grew more and more one sided as the years passed. She still listens some but nowhere like she once did because the reasonable programs she enjoyed are no longer there. There are times when she does not listen to NPR at all (A true change for her) And she is more liberal than I. As far as NPR lying it happens almost every day, if you bother to listen. Time is too important to waste. Watching paint dry or grass grow is more informative than listening to NPR. Eventually there is just no point in listening.
The nonsense resides in your brain. It’s called receptive or wernicke’s aphasia. Failure to understand written or spoken words and then long discussions of meaningless speech. Sort of like a Joe Biden Speech or recent debate
It’s the Democrat campaign strategy- flood the country with illegal
immigrants, then give them the right to vote in US elections.
Guess they’ve given up on convincing Americans to buy their NeoMarxist party line, so they have to import their political power 🙄
It is not about having immediate voters but to rack and pack the US House.
Where were our judges and legal system when the previous admin allowed open and no vetting at the borders? How many laws were explicitly ignored, violated, and derided? This whole topic is lunacy. Senor Kilmar A. Garcia HAD DUE PROCESS according to our laws. The leftist are winning bigly.
Hear, hear
And tax payers are funding this nonsense . . . Why?
Because you are a taxpayer. Logical.
Steve Bannon suggested yesterday that this is a fight worth having and winning now by the Administration because the judicial interference with executive rights won’t stop until Trump fights back hard. I see some logic in that. There is a lot to do and the clock is ticking.
What is there to do?
“While many disagree on the handling of the case…”
The handling of the case — the disregard for due process, the complete lack of accountability, the constant gaslighting — is the point.
“…the Administration should have returned Abrego Garcia to the United States for a correct and prompt deportation.”
Instead of pushing back against King Moron and his mouthpieces bucking the law, let’s instead whine about the real problem: journalists who no one reads or cares about.
I’m just glad the war in Ukraine was stopped on January 20, 2025. Bravo.
And don’t forget to buy crypto. Swamp drained.
The topic is that an alleged “journalist” at NPR omitted relevant facts and mischaracterized the character of the Democrat Party’s newest hero: the illegal foreign invader who has been found in a court of law to be a gang member of MS13; who is likely a human trafficker of other foreign invaders; and whose own wife swore to authorities that he beat her.
We all know Democrats love foreign invaders more than they like the American taxpayers who pay their salaries, so it is likely only a matter of time before Democrats honor this thug by naming a street after him.
But that’s not really the point.
How about you stick to the topic and take a stab at explaining how taxpayers benefit from subsidizing NPR whose employee as a “journalist” dishonestly omitted relevant details – and in so doing seemingly intentionally misrepresented to his readers the character of your party’s new hero.
The US embassy in el salvador will do.
Is there a salvador embassy in the US? Salvadoran might register with them if they’re illegally within us jurisdiction. Tell them you’ll be back for repatriation so Bukele can prepare. Expedite your passports and reenter visas.