The Justice Department has filed an anti-discrimination case against the owners of the Jerusalem Coffee House in Oakland, California. Fathi Abdulrahim Harara and Native Grounds LLC are accused of violating Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin in places of public accommodation. The matter is also the subject of a private lawsuit by the Anti-Defamation League and other groups.
In the ADL complaint in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, there are details on how a Jewish customer was alleged to have been chased from the business by its owner and an employee.
Michael Radice, visited Jerusalem Coffee House in July 2024, wearing a baseball cap with a Star of David icon and the phrase “Am Yisrael Chai” — or “the people of Israel live.”
In approaching the business, Radice says that he was confronted by a man sitting outside who demanded, “Are you a Jew?” After Mr. Radice answered affirmatively, the man verbally attacked him and accused him of being “responsible” for “killing children.”
Radice decided to go back to the business the following month and discovered that the man was an employee at the shop. He alleges that the man with the owner and a third employee forced him to leave and then followed him down the street yelling, “You’re the guy with the hat. You’re the Jew. You’re the Zionist. We don’t want you in our coffee shop. Get out.” As Mr. Radice walked away, three men followed him, and he heard them calling him “Jew” and “Zionist.”
The federal lawsuit notes that, on the first anniversary of the Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel, the Jerusalem Coffee House announced two new drinks: “Iced In Tea Fada,” an obvious reference to “intifada.” It also introduced as drink, “Sweet Sinwar,” an apparent reference to Yahya Sinwar, the former leader of Hamas who orchestrated the massacre. It also alleges that the coffee house’s exterior side wall displays inverted red triangles, a symbol of violence against Jews that has been spray-painted on Jewish homes and synagogues in anti-Semitic attacks.
Under Title II, the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division can seek to force changes in how the coffee shop must remedy alleged discriminatory conduct. In the meantime, the shop will face demands for civil damages in the private lawsuit.
While customers appear undisturbed by drinks named after a mass murderer, the shop itself is likely to find what is coming a bit harder to swallow. It is now facing litigation on two fronts over the treatment of Jewish customers.
People said this would happen. Peaceful riots in CA.. lol
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DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin joins ‘America’s Newsroom’ to discuss ICE arresting an illegal immigrant for his Molotov cocktail attack in Los Angeles
Did the molotov cocktail have a lime wedge? If so then we know the perp was Mexican:
https://babylonbee.com/news/mexican-rioter-adds-lime-wedge-to-molotov-cocktail
Old
hahaha, now that’s funny.
OldManFromKS,
This one is pretty good too, Support For Police Skyrockets After They Start Shooting Journalists
https://babylonbee.com/news/support-for-police-skyrockets-after-they-start-shooting-journalists
Yes, genocide of the Jewish people nearly accomplished mein herring. 23 and me la la la …
#9. Meh, all these millennial old tribal arguments. We ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait till AI driven robots become a daily reality. Small intrusions at first, like the self driving robot cars burning in LA. But like the song says, “The World can Change in an Instant. Mass deployment of AI, and AI driven robots is not far off at all. In Japan’s hospital today, one rarely see’s a nurse. Instead a little R2D2 looking robot comes in with your water and pills. Not sure they have them at a level to be able to install catheters just yet.
So what if it was an AI robot at thi coffee shop that refused to serve the customer? Based on any number of reasoning’s inside the robot’s decision making processes and programming which even the creators who literally “grow” the AI do not fully understand how it is working. Would that be the coffee shop’s violation, or the robot? The programmers, or the robot builders, or the owners of the robot?
What happens when someone wants to marry their robot? Or wants to kill their robot, or vice versa, the robot kills the owner. The “I Robot” movie plot. What about forced sexual servitude with robots? Is the robot owned? If it displays feelings, emotions, wants and desires, believes it is a Catholic, or a Christian, or a Muslim, then what? Can the robot be a racist? If so, what kind of racist? How would robot Nationalists sound if they were to organize? The Amalgamated Brotherhood of Robot Teachers Union. How’s that one sound teaching the kids?
Deep logical thinking by today’s leftist elites that results in a widespread belief that men can get pregnant and men need tampons in the men’s room, will undoubtedly make it’s way into the programming algorithms, along with an array of human tendencies, biases and repugnant beliefs as the good Professor has identified but one in this instance.
Nope, the fun hasn’t even begun yet.
Can an I Robot demand to change its gender if it decides it identifies as a different gender?
Of course
The real question is whether it can become a clock radio, if that’s how the robot self-identifies.
AI is meant to provide for and keep the dregs in place. Mission accomplished.
I have a hobby.
Outlaw baseball caps with a Star of David and Employees from Loitering outside their Businesses.
If they don’t comply with this law, then deport them.
Simple, done deal, no more problem.
Seems there are to many people in America and that’s causing problems, a deportation-reduction is the direction we need to go.
Less people, Less problems. There you go, It’s a no-brainer, Problem solved.
The issue with Illegal Aliens and Some-Immigrants is absolutely hypocritical.
They enter here Illegally, but they want to be Legalized.
They did not like their own Country, and yet they don’t like Our Country.
They curse the U.S., but they don’t want to be sent back to their own Country.
They bring their wars with them, but want peace in their lives.
They are asking for it, and if they keep it up they’re are going to get Concentration Camps.
What do you think Jails are for?
Stop the hypocrisy, Follow the Rules, Do what the Government ask, Accept that this takes time, Get along with everyone, and you will be ok.
Common Sense, that all it takes.
For those that don’t follow the laws, the only reason they would not follow the process is that they work for their Homeland Government or Criminal Organization. They are not here to support the U.S. system and Our standard of living.
Stop bringing your Wars Here!
Deportation is Justifiable.
#9. Remember the Alamo!
https://rumble.com/v6ulzhr-president-of-mexican-senate-openly-promotes-mexico-annexing-southwest-usa.html
That would be an act of war.
OMG!
America just found out that Mexico is the ENEMY?
America just found out that Mexico has been conducting an INVASION?
America just found out that Mexico has been conducting a WAR?
Yeah, they’re about to lose that one. So what. LA is north American Gaza. Maybe move Israel to calif and change the name to Israel. Only about 8 million people.
OMG!
America just found out that Mexico is the ENEMY?
America just found out that Mexico has been conducting an INVASION?
America just found out that Mexico has been conducting a WAR?
Sometimes times simplest answer is the best answer.
You F_Up here, U-R out of here. DEPORTATION
Not in my Front Yard, Not in my Home, Not in my Back Yard.
That’s the Rule of Law here.
I don’t care what country they send you to, They can do with you as they want.
You can not deport citizens.
If you have Israeli’s with US visa’s taking over or destroying property – deport them.
You mean deport Israelis with US visas who take over or destroy property? Without due process?
Israelis aren’t declared terrorist enemies of the US. tidbit
Pardon, have drug cartels and other gangs such as MS 13 been identified as terrorists and enemies of American drug addicts and pushers and others? 🤔.
ICE is currently after designated terrorists as enemies of the State already convicted and released. Some are simply illegal but swept up in the net. It is war? 🤔. Aiding and abetting, giving quarter, Mr. Newsom, Mayor Bass?
What do you think?
If we can’t deport them can we put them on a ship without a flag of nation and let them rot at sea?
Princess cruise?
Someone pointed out exile really bad citizens.
There is necessary sequential construction of this case.
Start with the actual statutory definition of “public accommodation” under SEC. 201(b) of the Civil Rights Act (attached). https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-342/pdf/COMPS-342.pdf
Note that the language is written under the auspices of Commerce, not Speech under the First Amendment.
Then move down to subsection (e), exempting certain “private club[s] or other establishment[s] not in fact open to the public, except to the extent that the facilities of such establishment are made available to the customers or patrons of an establishment within the scope of subsection (b),” (supra).
The Internet contains instances of prior similar provocations by the Jewish entrant Radice in other settings. But it looks like Harara might have had other options in setting up his LLC …
I dunno. I’m happier that, forgetting Commerce, we are better under the First Amendment to know where friends and enemies stand on things. Let them speak out any prejudices they may harbor.
Otherwise, they go underground and can coalesce to spring forward as a united front, -like in LA where several groups, including LGBQT, have joined in the protests.
Like I said yesterday, on hard ground, spilled gasoline tends to travel horizontally across neighboring ground rather than burying vertically.
They do both. They speak out and are underground. It’s unkn if the triangle taggings were in the neighborhood. One problem is they’re acting out their dreams in killing.
Example of segregation and going nowhere? The powers are micromanaging segregation through training. It’s very painful for those being compelled forced retraining. The powers are simply training and waiting for attrition to take place. There’s a death component.
Provocation is a matter of manners perhaps. On the otherhand it’s beating the shrubbery to see what flies out. It’s public
commerce. The owner might plead its against his religious principles to serve Jewish people? Are there passages of such in the Koran? Is it sacred coffee?
Who’d go in there anyway. I might be hated the next day.
Maybe the puts on the hat and trolls businesses looking for lawsuits and money. Idk
Picket it as racist… sinwar coffee, seriously
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Gavin Newsom is inciting insurrection and rebellion, constituting secession.
Abraham Lincoln was a great president.
Precedent is an established rule or authority.
President Lincoln imposed martial law.
President Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.
President Trump must soon impose martial law and suspend habeas corpus—as did Lincoln—to suppress the coordinated rebellion of the juristocracy, sanctuary cities, doxers et al., and
those who would incite the same, such as “8647.”
I wouldn’t be throwing around terms like “mass murderers” in any criticism of anti-Zionism.. The thousands of Jews opposing genocide have dealt appropriately with their own trauma so they don’t need to inflict it on innocent bystanders. Zionism does not equal Jewish. This coffee-shop mug was looking for a fight to create a spectacle and you fell for it.
Nah, they hate Jews. Jews can live in Palestine but cannot have a geographical location, a nation. Quite hopeless. Understand God gave them the land. Right? Weren’t they slaves in Egypt prior? 400 years or so?
Incorporate Gaza, west Bank and Jerusalem.
Jonathan: You celebrated when SCOTUS ruled in favor of Colorado baker Jack Phillips when he refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. In another column (10/11/23) you also celebrated when the Court gave a “major victory for free speech in 303 Creative v. Elenis when it ruled that Lori Smith, a Christian website designer, could refuse service to a same-sex marriage”. In the same column you pointed out that “a Jewish baker should not be expected to make a Mein Kampf cake or an African American baker a KKK anniversary cake”. You called both cases victories for “free speech”.
But now you suddenly switch sides. You support Pam Bondi’s lawsuit against the Jerusalem Coffee House claiming the owner violated Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by refusing service to a Jewish customer. How is this case really different than the Phillips case? In that case the Colorado courts ruled Phillips had violated the state’s version of the Civil Rights Act. Ultimately, SCOTUS overturned the lower courts and found Phillips’ free speech rights trumped the Colorado anti-discrimination statute.
In the instant case the Jerusalem Coffee House refused service to Michael Radice, a Jewish person who was obviously looking for a confrontation because he came back twice and was wearing a baseball cap proudly declaring “Am Yisrael Chai”. The owner of the coffee house did not hide his allegiances, serving drinks with names opposing Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people. It was a perfect storm for more litigation.
Under the rubric of the Phillips and the 303 Creative cases, and your column, doesn’t the owner of the Jerusalem Coffee House have the same right to refuse service to someone with whom he has a fundamental “free speech” difference of opinion? Please explain how Radice and the other cases can be distinguished. Frankly, I don’t see any difference. I mean, if a Jewish baker can refuse to bake a cake for a supporter of the Holocaust why can’t a supporter of the Palestinian people refuse service to someone who supports the genocide of the Palestinians?!
Nope. Masterpiece does not stand for the proposition that service can be refused. There is nothing equivalently creative or message oriented about serving coffee. US law is and always has prohibited refusing to serve someone based on a protected characteristic. Nor did the bake shop refuse to serve anyone, they refused providing a custom made product.
Dennis, this is dumb…even for you.
You’re suggesting that a hat with words “The People of Israel Lives” is so offensive a shopowner could refuse to serve a customer? Nothing in that phrase that indicates support for the alleged “genocide” of Palestinians or for any policy of the Israeli government. In fact, this phrase originated in a religious service held in 1945 for survivors of a Nazi concentration camp. Moreover, the facts reported by Professor Turley no not indicate that the customer spoke or acted in a hostile or disruptive manner. So basically, you’re endorsing a boycott of Jews, as well as anyone else who supports the right of Jews to life.
Dennis still hasn’t gotten over the fact the Nazis lost the war.
Another ludicrously stupid apples and oranges post from Dennis
Master Cake and 303 Creative did not refuse service.
They refuced to be FORCED to use their skill to speak a message that violated their beleifs.
Compelled speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional.
Master Cake offered to sell any cake in the bakery, or design any cake with a message that did not violate their beleifs.
303 Creative made the same offer.
This coffee shop is refusing service – ALL service.
To the extent there is a speech issue involved it is NOT the coffeeshop’s speech that is being infringed.
Apples and oranges.
There is no moral equivalance, nor any legal or constitutional one either.
Personally SCOTUS should have struck down public accomodation laws and all private discrimination laws. Constitutionally private parties can discriminate.
But the idiocy of public accomodations laws has become deeply entrenched regardless of its stupidity.
As SCOTUS has been applying the constitution since the mid 60’s, Colorado’s law violated the free speech rights of master cake and 303 creative.
But the CRA does NOT violate the free speech rights of the coffee shop owner.
You claim to be a lawyer – this is all conlaw 101.
“Under the rubric of the Phillips and the 303 Creative cases, and your column, doesn’t the owner of the Jerusalem Coffee House have the same right to refuse service to someone with whom he has a fundamental “free speech” difference of opinion? Please explain how Radice and the other cases can be distinguished.”
303 creative and Master Cake did NOT refuse service.
They refused to be FORCED to speak a message they diasgreed with.
The coffee shop owner refused ANY service.
There is no first amendment issue at all in the coffee shop case.
“Frankly, I don’t see any difference”
Which is why we wonder how you ever became a lawyer.
“I mean, if a Jewish baker can refuse to bake a cake for a supporter of the Holocaust”
They can’t. What they can do is refuse to bake a cake with a pro hollocaust message.
The distinguishing factor is forced speech, not cakes or refusing service.
” why can’t a supporter of the Palestinian people refuse service to someone who supports the genocide of the Palestinians?!”
I would allow them to do so – the restrictions in the CRA on private actors is unconstitutional.
But SCOTUS has not agreed.
But SCOTUS has found as they are required, that laws making refusal of service illegal, can not compel speech.
“Am Yisrael Chai” (עם ישראל חי), the nation of Israel lives. The reaction to that statement clearly demonstrates the falsehood behind the Palestinian movement and those who support it. They do not want peace or a two-state solution. Israel’s survival gets in the way of that dream, and that is why we hear the chants, from the river to the sea, the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, leaving no space for the Jewish people, the only remaining civilization from that area of the world existing.
It is an important statement. It tells us there cannot be a two-state solution because one party cannot coexist in peace with the other. That is why Israel must take complete sovereignty over the area intended according to the British mandate.
Dennis, do not think Israel will give up and die. Roman Caesar Vespasian, so proud that he conquered the Jews in 70 AD and destroyed the Temple, minted a coin in celebration, the Judea Capital (Judea has been captured). On one side is Vespasian’s image, and on the obverse beneath the words Judah Capita is a tree with a hunched-up bound defeated woman who is weeping. Today, the Roman Empire no longer exists, leaving only the coin. Today, the nation of Israel lives “Am Yisrael Chai,” and it will live long after you and I are dead.
Ah yes…… It’s a religion of peace. Remember when they told us that right after the 9/11 attacks ???
The Democrats let in this rent-a-mob to control us. Now they control the Democrats. We can’t take back the Democrat Party until we take back our streets. God speed, Tom Homan.
Lead them to the rooftop of drag bars in Gaza. Solidarity!!
All Sides of this issue are running Double-Standards
#9. The immigration due process hearing day in court. Not certain if this is “art” imitating reality, or “reality” imitating art. Anyway, it was well ahead of it’s time…
“Roman Troy Moronie Trial – Johnny Dangerously”
“Johnson will be the third House speaker to address the Knesset, following Republican former speakers Newt Gingrich and Kevin McCarthy, Punchbowl News reported.“
https://justthenews.com/government/diplomacy/johnson-address-israeli-parliament-late-june
Not surprisingly Nancy Pelosi has never spoken to Israel Knesset because Democrats are Nazis Anti-Semitic bigots just like this coffee shop. Send all Democrats to Gaza so that they can enjoy their brethren terrorists Hamas
When asked if he would arrest Newsom, the president said, “Well he’s not doing a good job, you know, arrest, what does that mean?”
Welcome to the world where the President doesn’t even know the meaning of a simple word like “arrest”.
He also called Kamala a fascist marxist. How is that possible? Does the guy even know what he is saying.
And then there is this great gem
“I’ve known this guy for a long time. He was never the sharpest bulb,” Trump, 78, said of Biden.
The “sharpest bulb”. You must be so proud to be followers of the sharpest bulb, DJT.
Yep, so easy to talk about how Biden was not mentally there but with trump, it is a daily word salad.
You all must be so proud to be followers of the dumbest leader in world history.
Well, if your Kamala had been elected, she would’ve easily captured that title.
Kamala is known by Democrats as the word salad idiot and her VP pick as Tampon Tim. Democrats are loyal to no one
But she wasn’t elected President. trump was.
And trump said
“I’ve known this guy for a long time. He was never the sharpest bulb,”
You need to swap your dirty tampon with one by Tampon Tim
Have you not notice the mess Calif is in?
Those are just people having fun, watching cars burn.
Mixing metaphors and aphorisms is fun. Does Trump know about the sharpest tool in tbe shed or about dim bulbs? Does a bear pope in the woods?
Meanwhile Biden did arrest Trump. Who are the fascists?
Biden arrested trump? You have got to be kidding? In what world reality did that happen?
Also interesting that you are unable to explain how Kamala can be a marxist fascist.
Your orange god is an idiot. Just admit it, free yourself.
“Meanwhile Biden did arrest Trump.” – Here’s the Proof
Mug shot of Donald Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mug_shot_of_Donald_Trump
“Biden arrested trump? You have got to be kidding? In what world reality did that happen?”
This reality. The reality that we live in.
Joe Biden did not drag Trump into a federal courthouse to be arrested – FBI agents did – at the direction of the president.
What most of us KNEW has been confirmed – not just by DOJ and WH documents but but democrat WH insiders confirming that the 2024 Biden strategy was to beat Trump by arresting him, and hopefully convicting him
You did it, and it backfired.
You want to accuse others of stupidity ?
You still do not understand that YOUR political problems were created by YOU.
In Jan 2021, Joe Biden and the democratic party was in the catbird seat.
HERE I warned republicans NOT to count their chickens on winning midterms.
Biden inherited a robust and growing economy.
Growth was returning as we abandoned bad Covid policies.
Inflation was low.
The future was bright,
the world was at relative peace.
Trump and Republicans were very low in popularity.
All democrats and Biden had to do was NOTHING to cause to a decade of political domination.
But Obama said of Biden – Count on Joe to F$%K up anything.
But it really was not Joe – he was not incharge.
The reason that Joe’s incompetence is a big deal is that it implicates the entire left, the entire democratic party – both in the “coverup”, the lies, and the botched management of the country and all the failures that resulted.
YOU made the mess that the country is in, and Trump is president because of the mess you made and now he is cleaning it up.
“Also interesting that you are unable to explain how Kamala can be a marxist fascist.”
The hard part about explaining how Harris is a marxist fascist is that she is too stupid to be a committed anything.
To the extent Harris is ideological rather than just a moron, she is a fascist marxist.
Most of those of you on the left are.
“Joe Biden did not drag Trump into a federal courthouse to be arrested – FBI agents did – at the direction of the president.”
Trump was never arrested. He did appear at a court house to get booked, fingerprinted, and mug shots taken. But he was never arrested.
Biden inherited Trump’s mess. He had to clean it up only to mess it up again.
He was you dummy…
Wasn’t he handcuffed?
“Welcome to the world where the President doesn’t even know the meaning of a simple word like “arrest”.”
From those who do not know the meaning of a simple work like “woman” ?
BT you had to see that coming ?
Those of you on the left long ago started the process of disconnecting words from their meanings. Pretty much every dystopia ever written – not just 1984 rests on the premise of the totalitarian left distorting the public ability to communicate by detaching words from their meaning.
“He also called Kamala a fascist marxist.”
Accurate.
“How is that possible?”
All Fascists are socialist – Hitler, Musolini, Peron, …
“everything inside government
nothing outside of government
nothing against government”
The definition of fascim by the creator of fascism Benito Musollini
“Does the guy even know what he is saying.”
He does, you do not.
marxism is inherently totalitarian and fascist.
Can you cite a single fascist country that was not socialist ?
“And then there is this great gem”
Are you actually trying to defend Joe Biden’s intellegence ?
“so easy to talk about how Biden was not mentally there but with trump, it is a daily word salad.
You all must be so proud to be followers of the dumbest leader in world history.”
https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1867720541546983798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1867720541546983798%7Ctwgr%5E7a434269c889665d6367884382caae322978ab05%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Famericanwirenews.com%2Fvan-jones-admits-trump-is-smarter-than-the-left-this-dude-is-a-phenomenon%2F
Baby
what does that mean?”
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Nothing, but the fool you are. Fell for it.
I recall a while back there was a case where a Christian owner of a bakery refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage and court found in favor of the bakery (I think). Does that case provide any precedence for this one?
I hope not.
The cake case is irrelevant. Homsexuality and transgenderism isn’t a religion, fool. Well, maybe it is to you, but not to the courts (at least so far, as the Democrats are making only limited progress in that direction).
Not sure why you need to call a person with a good faith question a fool. Under current law homosexuality is a protected trait, just like religion,
Not exactly, garyesq. 😏
You are correct that calling a pareson asking a good faith question a fool is unwise.
But NO homosexuality does NOT enjoy the same protections as religion.
The freedom to practice your religion is an enumerated constitutional right and protected by the Civil Rights Act.
Homosexuality is as you said a protected trait, it is NOT a right,. it is not subject to the same high level of protection.
No, the cake case had the owner not wanting to CREATE a cake in honor of something he disagreed with which would be the same if the Jewish guy wanted the coffee guy to cater his kids Bar Mitzvah and making cafe’ lattes with Stars of David on them.
Work on your analytical skills, they are sorely lacking.
Why the animosity? Slowly just asked a question. Perhaps not everyone is as up to date on the law as you are hull.
Gary, sorry for lashing out at you but your question was equating two things that are very different and I am sick of the moral equivalence bs when one side is just plain old wrong.
HB – the apology was wise.
But I absolutely share your frustration with the constant false moral equivalences of the left.
Every possible comparison between two hings at the shallowest left does NOT make them morally the same.
The Cake shop owner was being FORCED by law to ACT in a way that violated his religion.
The Coffee shop owner CHOSE to ACT to infringe on the rights of others.
Personally the portions of the CRA that apply to private actors are unconstitutional.
The courts have unfortunately NOT recognized that.
Government should not dictate
where Nazi’s can or can not march,
who can sell cake or coffee to who.
The correct response to the coffee shop is to take your business elsewhere.
But that does not make CO FORCING Master Cake to create cakes that violated their religion the moral equivalent of this shop owner REFUSING to sell a standard product to jews.
Based on her last sentence (“I hope not”), I don’t think slowly is on the left.
Here’s how these bakeries should respond to lifestyles they disagree with – ask them how many layers they would like, bake the cakes, and sell them with a 5 gallon tub of frosting. Here’s your cake, here’s the icing, what I’m not selling you is my artistic/creative talent. You’ll need to find someone else for that.
That is essentially what Phillips did.
He offered them their choice of ANY standard cake in the store.
He just refused to design a cake with the message THEY wanted/
That case was about the government trying to compel speech, which 1A prohibits. The state can’t force someone to speak a message they disagree with. This case is about a public accommodation (the restaurant) refusing to serve someone a commodity (food, which is not speech) based on his religion.
If the Jewish customer had requested a cake that said “Death to Palestinians” and the restaurant owners refused, then the owners would have been within their rights.
Can I make cakes that say, death to Palestinians? Can the government silence my speech? They’re good cakes for eating and anyone can buy them.
What about cakes that say death to Allah and all his followers? I’m also a member of the PLO and an American citizen living within the jurisdiction. I send donations to Hamas and Hezbollah.
Your speech would be protected under 1A, so yes, you can.
Donations?
In that case (Masterpiece Bakery) the court found in favor of the baker because he did not categorically refuse to serve gays, he simply declined to bake a cake with a message with which he disagreed. This case, the Jerusalem Coffee Shop appears to be different in that this shop is alleged to have refused service of any kind to a Jew based on his status as a Jew. The govt should be able to easily distinguish this case from Masterpiece.
Good analysis.
What is disturbing is that anyone who frequents this legal blog should not need your explanation.
Those on the left return to the same apples are oranges arguments over and over and over,
no many how many times it is proven that apples are not oranges.
For some this is stupidity.
For many it is deliberate.
The baker did not refuse the couple from buying any cake already in commerce. He refused a wedding cake specifically because marriage is a foundational principle of Christianity. Wedding cakes are ceremonial food and not general food. King David ate the show-bread in desperation because he was hungry. It is the exception to ceremonial food and drink.
Second reason was the message on the cake is written in word, speech cannot be compelled, coerced nor work as that is slavery, Slowlylight.
If the couple had requested a pre-made wedding cake (basically a generic one), first I believe Phillips would have sold it to them because he wouldn’t be expressing a message he disagreed with, since he already willingly made the cake. Second, if not, the couple most likely would have won the case. The fact of the matter is that the gay couple asked Phillips to make a cake especially for their same-sex wedding, and it violated Phillips’s conscience to do so because he would be expressing a message of approval for that.
Oh yes, conscience.
Good reminder. Some don’t connect with the conscience gift, talent, attribute.
Professor Turley did point out people were happily consuming intifada tea and sinwar coffee. Thriving commerce …
It was not the baking of the cake. He agreed to do that. He just did not want to put a message on the cake that he did not agree with. Just like a Black baker should not have to decorate a cake with Nazi symbols, a christian should not have to decorate a cake with symbols he believed were against his religion.
I smell a setup and Turley took the bait. If I walked into a Black Lives Matter meeting with a sign that said “long live white America,” I’d probably get the same response. This incident has great propaganda value for the “America is antisemitic” crowd. I don’t think Mr Radice was in that coffee shop just for a cuppa Joe.
No, you do not smell a setup. You are merely smelling yourself, projecting fool. As for the stench, there is little you can do about it. Slime that rolls around with other IslamoCommuNazis is going to stink. It goes with the territory.
Hey moron, is the BLM meeting a public accommodation that is in business to serve the community? Or is it more like forcing you way into a Trans support group meeting carrying a Riley Gaines sign? Or is it like going to an AA meeting and trying to sell beer. Man, so people just can’t think straight.
A restaurant is a public accommodation covered by the Civil Rights Act, a BLM meeting is not. This case is the equivalent of a restaurant in the Jim Crow south refusing to serve Blacks.
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equivalent of a restaurant in the Jim Crow south refusing to serve Blacks.
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Which the dem-o-rats supported.
The CRA defines public accomodation by the PLACE.
A BLM meeting in a convention center might be a public accomodation according to the CRA
Conversely a bake shop that does NOT sell food for consumption on the premises would NOT be a place of public accomodation according to the CRA
Jim Crow is 180degrees from these. Jim Crow is a series of LAWS passed because privae businesses did NOT discriminate to the demands of those in power.
The FACT that Jim Crow laws were necescary to accomplish racial discrimination in the south to the extent govenrment desired is the proof that laws barring discrimination are unnecescay. Free markets will get it right on their own.
Master Cake was prosecuted under Colorado law. Not the CRA
The Coffee shop is being prosecuted under Federal law. – the CRA
The coffee shop sells food for consumption un the premises – it is subject to the CRA.
Not sure I see your point, re a setup. Did the guy walk into the store as a test case? Perhaps. Reminds me of the counter sit-ins in the South in the 60’s. Jerusalem was tested and came up illegal.
Might be a setup.
Just as Master Cake was clearly a setup.
But that is not relevant.
A right is a right.
*. Islam v. Judaism or Israel v. Gaza or Israel v. The Middle East or
Title II v. Jerusalem Coffee Shop is polarizing. Talk among yourselves. …
Someone post a link to Title II and the private lawsuit. Red triangles spray painted on Jewish establishments? Palestinian PLO scarves are similar to pillow case pointy hats and face coverings? Slam dunk.
It’s difficult to assimilate.
I think many Europeans and even Asians have assimilated to a much greater extent. Sure we have Columbus Day, St Patrick’s Day and other ethnic holidays and foods but they were NEVER shoved down our throats like the method of strong arming us by the prog/left. These new invaders do not want to assimilate, they came to conquer.
Better yet, deport their asses back to Gaza!
Or China, Iran, or Cuba.
It’s about time that we started using the democrat conceived legislation against them. Finally, MAGA and Trump have given the right the spine they needed to push back against the thugs that were running this place. I hope more and more of these suits are brought and would someone finally callout all those black women for appropriating straight blond caucasian hair as I find it odd that you would emulate the white devils that you hate so much yet still want to hide your nappy hair – it is your race – be proud of it.
I hope very much that the lawsuit puts these bigots out of business.
never fear, their muslim brethren will take care of them. They are a nation within a nation but the difference here is that other enclaves, such as the Orthodox Jews and Koreans for example, maintain their culture internally but do not wish to destroy America from within as muslims have done since 570 and raged to convert the world to islam.