Some of us have expressed frustration with the ridiculous delay in the appellate court review of the absurd civil judgment against Donald Trump. It appears to have entered some judicial black hole where neither light nor an opinion can escape. Now, the Wall Street Journal claims that it is due to a deeply divided panel in a column titled “Court Split Leaves Trump’s Civil Fraud Appeal Stuck in Slow Lane.”
This should not be a close case and certainly should not take this long. The case against Trump was raw lawfare, and the entire trial by Justice Arthur Engoron made a mockery of the court system, particularly his ridiculous half-a-billion-dollar judgment.
Yet, weeks turned into months and then into years as the appellate court seemed lost in navel-gazing. There was also a concern over passive-aggressive delays; the long appeal is not only preventing Trump from moving this case toward the Supreme Court but keeps him trapped in an appellate amber.
Now the Wall Street Journal is reporting:
A five-justice panel has yet to render a decision nearly a year after taking up the case, leaving him and his business in limbo. Behind the scenes, members of the panel have been divided, and three of them have been writing opinions, according to people familiar with the matter. It couldn’t be determined how they are split. Justices do occasionally shift their positions, and the number of opinions could change, the people said.
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The panel hearing the Trump appeal includes four judges appointed by Democratic governors and one Republican appointee, David Friedman, who is regarded as among the most conservative of the court’s 21 members. The court’s presiding justice, Renwick, also on the panel, is viewed as a stalwart liberal who has an institutional interest in seeking consensus and guarding the court’s reputation.
It is not a good thing to see a leak of this kind from any court. The United States Supreme Court was rocked by the leaking of a draft opinion of the Dobbs decision just a few years ago. No one was ever prosecuted for the leak.
It is distressing to hear that some of these judges may be striving to preserve this nonsensical opinion where Trump was hit with half a billion dollars in a case where no one lost money and the banks wanted renewed business with his company. Affirming the decision would be the final nail in the coffin for the New York legal system, which was turned into a farce by New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Engoron.
Even if it is true that the judges have hopelessly fractured, they could do us all a favor and allow the case to proceed toward more competent jurists and final resolution.
There is certainly no rush by these appellate judges to right any wrong done to Trump, who appears, again, to fall into a special category of persona non grata in the New York legal system. This appellate panel appears content to leave Trump twisting in the wind as it contemplates what to do with a defendant who garners little sympathy from its members.
Most appeals are measured in months; this seems measured in millennia. Even with the notoriously slow New York legal system, the pendency of this appeal is becoming itself a controversy.
It is often said that justice delayed is justice denied. However, delayed and denied justice for Trump appears to be a bedrock principle of the New York justice system.
Juding by the increasingly angering tone of these columns, it seems like the good professor has had enough of these neo-Marxists. Blue States pols and judges love Venezuela and Cuba. I say let them have it.
Nah, he’s just doing his job. He’s making sure MAGA stays angry for papa Trump.
@Anonymous
Again, that you even invoke ‘MAGA’ tells us all that your an idiot and a stooge. What would it be like if you did not dehumanize people that disagree with you on a daily basis for money? Is that now outside of the ‘left-leaning’ purview? You are an idiot, and we all think so and know it.
Interesting to me that nowhere in modern dem messaging is the former missive that they are, ‘the party of the people’. Get bent. You are not just wrong, but stupid, and we all think you are stupid.
The communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO, AINO) judiciary has “interpreted” the Constitution and Bill of Rights out of existence, electing to take and give “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” under the “dictatorship of the proletariat,” aka, the “popular” “one man, one vote democracy” of the hired help.
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“So, the lunatics have taken charge of the asylum.”
– Richard Rowland, 1919
The entirety of the communist American welfare state is illicit and unconstitutional. The New Nation of the United States of Crime was created by Lincoln. The only thing Lincoln was bound to do was obey the fundamental and statutory laws written and passed by America’s Founders, Framers, and duly elected legislators. Slavery was legal through legislation and constitutional. Secession was “not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, [and therefore] reserved to the States respectively, or to the people” and fully constitutional.
The only thing for Lincoln to have done was obey the law and allow self-governance to take its course—to allow all Americans to be free and reprehensible slavery to inevitably “wither on the vine” naturally. Of his ego and sense of entitlement and grandiosity, he did not. He violently compelled the lesson to ignore and disobey fundamental and statutory law. He deployed and failed to withdraw military forces on the territory of a sovereign foreign nation.
And here America is, a shattered criminal state far from the constitutionalism of its founding. The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court. America awaits the next leader to wrest control and put America squarely back on the Constitution and Bill of Rights—a Herculean task indeed—the place it should have been all along.
Anonymous postings: I read NOT one anonymous posting, I adopted this discipline after thinking about a business meeting where there are twelve partners in discussion about the future, six of those partners are held by unknowns. Upon opening the meeting, the six known partners are identified, and six unknowns are lumped by one identifier, anonymous. During the course of the meeting, it came time for anonymous to speak.
If you post as {an annoying mouse} you leave no separation from other annoying mice. There is another name which may be appropriate “hacktivist”.
Regarding President Trumps legal dramas, no matter the outcome of those issues, The Constitution of the United States of America is bleeding from the continued slashes of the Democratic Party assaults on its principles.
George – good point.
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@GW
Same here. It is largely spam. One would throw it out of their inbox or text threads without a thought, I don’t see why it should be any different here. They might as well be stuck on foreign princes in trouble in desperate need of your bank account numbers. Ridiculous, and utterly ineffective in the modern age. I don’t know why they bother, nobody is listening and everyone is on to them – the era of astroturfing is just dead. No one is impressed or swayed by idiot unicorns or paid-for shenanigans anymore. They will be the last to realize it, the rest of us will carry on. Screw ’em.
Anonymous postings whether they are obnoxious or not are always read by everyone. Because there is very little real discussion going on.
“Because there is very little real discussion going on.”
Especially when you post. Aren’t you a bit sore after the whooping that you took earlier? I’m amazed that you didn’t change names after that embarrassing display of ineptitude.
Come on, Turley–you DO know better. You DO know that the issue with the Trump fraud judgment has nothing to do with whether anyone lost money or whether banks wanted to do business with him again–those are MAGA media arguments to reassure the faithful. The ISSUE was Trump LIED, under oath, on financial statements that banks use to determine not just whether he was creditworthy, but also the amount of interest on the loans, based on the risk. It’s really sad when someone who holds himself out as an expert in the law distorts the facts and issues like this.
A property valuation is not a “fact”, it is an “opinion”. Did Judge Engoron “lie” about the market value of Mar-a-Lago?
Edward–Trump claimed that his apartment in the gold tower was 33,000 sq. ft.. It is actually less than 11,000 sq. ft. That misrepresentation is not a matter of opinion–it is a matter of fact. He tripled the value in order to qualify for a larger loan at a more favorable interest rate.
Financial institutions rely on financial statements that are submitted under oath, subject to the penalties for perjury. Trump suffered the penalty for perjury.
“Edward–Trump claimed that his apartment in the gold tower was 33,000 sq. ft.. It is actually less than 11,000 sq. ft. That misrepresentation is not a matter of opinion–it is a matter of fact. He tripled the value in order to qualify for a larger loan at a more favorable interest rate.
Financial institutions rely on financial statements that are submitted under oath, subject to the penalties for perjury. Trump suffered the penalty for perjury.”
Spoken like the true spaz that you are, who understands nothing but thinks that you do. Moron, if Trump committed perjury, why wasn’t he tried for that? It’s not that hard, you apparently have him dead to rights. Or maybe you’re just a flipping idiot who is totally wrong. Experience tells me to go with the latter option.
The plaintiff here is not any financial institution. None filed any pleadings, or even communicated to reporters about any grievance.
The plaintiff appears to be the State of New York.
That right there is cockamamie.
Carpet or air heating at cubic ? Big deal.
“The ISSUE was Trump LIED, under oath, on financial statements “
Loan applications are not signed “under oath” you idiot.
They could be “under penalty of perjury”, but these werent. Typically only legal forms, such as involve the government, like a TIN number, would be “under penalty of perjury”.
If they were, Trump would have been charged with criminal perjury as well.
Get a clue and a grip on yourself. You seem unhinged.
“Trump suffered the penalty for perjury.”
Wrong again. Where do you get this shlt???
The penalty for perjury in the 2nd degree (affidavits and such) in New York, is 4 years in prison, 5 years probation, and a substantial fine.
So you’re wrong as usual, Trump did not “suffer the penalty for perjury”, stooge.
“He tripled the value in order to qualify”
Just making shlt up again.
Tripling the size is not “tripling the value”, and thats what appraisals are for. Go whine to the idiot banker who didnt require one. You’ll geel better.
You gotta be the most simple minded stooge on the planet.
That was a civil judgment that requires damages. You can lie all you want as long as it does not cause damages in a civil setting.
Not in NY.
Anonymous: correct. Here is a direct quote from the opinion:
“This Court takes judicial notice that New York State, particularly New York City, is the financial
capital of the country and one of the financial capitals of the world. The City’s fabled Wall
Street is synonymous with capital formation, investing, trading, lending, and borrowing. In a
summary judgment Decision and Order dated September 26, 2023, NYSCEF Doc. 1531, the
Court addressed the State’s judicially recognized interest in an honest marketplace:
“In varying contexts, courts have held that a state has a quasisovereign interest in protecting the integrity of the marketplace.”
People v Grasso, 11 NY3d 64, 69 at n 4 (2008); People v Coventry
First LLC, 52 AD3d 345, 346 (1st Dept 2008) (“the claim pursuant
to Executive Law § 63(12) constituted proper exercises of the
State’s regulation of businesses within its borders in the interest of
securing an honest marketplace”); People v Amazon.com, Inc., 550
F Supp 3d 122, 130-131 (SDNY 2021) (“[T]he State’s statutory
interest under § 63(12) encompasses the prevention of either
‘fraudulent or illegal’ business activities. Misconduct that is illegal
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for reasons other than fraud still implicates the government’s
interests in guaranteeing a marketplace that adheres to standards of
fairness …”).
Timely and total repayment of loans does not extinguish the harm that false statements inflict on
the marketplace. Indeed, the common excuse that “everybody does it” is all the more reason to
strive for honesty and transparency and to be vigilant in enforcing the rules. Here, despite the
false financial statements, it is undisputed that defendants have made all required payments on
time; the next group of lenders to receive bogus statements might not be so lucky. New York
means business in combating business fraud.
Procedural Backgro”
Gigi, copy and paste garbage of no relevance. Nice try though.
Tom: the actual opinion that Trump is trying to appeal is the most-relevant thing there could be–and the above citation proves that specific, actual financial loss to the lender is not required in order to prosecute Trump for misrepresenting facts on the loan application. The citation points to case and statutory law supporting the judgment against him. The State of New York has an interest in enforcing honesty on financial application documents because Wall Street is the financial capital of America.
Nobody cares what you have to say about anything. Like yesterday when you got your butt handed to you, when you actually tried to blame Trump for Putin invading Ukraine… two years before Trump even ran for office! You’re so pathetic when you try to act all bossy.
Gigenius
That wasnt tom. This is. You arent even worth responding to anymore, you’re so unhinged.
But i am lmao at your “its wall street, the financial capital of the world duh dup duh dup”
These deals werent done on wall street
You swallowed Engmorons horse manure like it was cherry pie. You look so ridiculous.
Tom
Tom: I cited from the opinion that Trump is appealing. Wall Street is located in New York City, and protecting the financial services industry is crucial to the economy of the State of New York. The opinion didn’t say that the loan Trump lied to receive involved Wall Street. Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit.
@Anonymous
That you still use ‘MAGA’ as if it carries any weight whatsoever gives you away. You are pathetic, and no one is listening, particularly your donors. Turns out money *does* matter to them. Go blow, you are pathetic.
James,
I do find it interesting and somewhat amusing how our annoy moron thinks invoking the whole “MAGA!MAGA!MAGA!” thing is somehow effective. Just look at the Republicans 2024 Platform. The Preamble says, “America First: A Return to Common Sense.”
They then list 20 bullet points, of which I agree with 19. Reading those bullet points, anyone with any degree of common sense, logic, values would agree. So, yes, MAGA! Absolutely! Only an idiot would think those are bad ideas.
The one I do not, is number 13, Keeping the US Dollar the World Reserve Currency. I think that ship has sailed. And, we need to get back to a gold backed currency. Not this fiat one. Nixon taking America off the gold standard was a gross mistake.
Back to my original train of thought, our leftist friends seem to think if they say “MAGA!MAGA!MAGA!” over and over again like it is an insult, they are wrong. It is, as the RNC preamble says, “America First: A Return to Common Sense.”
So to our leftist friends I say, “MAGA!MAGA!MAGA!” away! You only prove how stupid and crazy you are. And, the moderate, traditional Democrats, they want you OUT of their party!!
“Come on, Turley–you DO know better. You DO know that the issue with the Trump fraud judgment has nothing to do with whether anyone lost money or whether banks wanted to do business with him again–those are MAGA media arguments to reassure the faithful. The ISSUE was Trump LIED, under oath, on financial statements that banks use to determine not just whether he was creditworthy, but also the amount of interest on the loans, based on the risk. It’s really sad when someone who holds himself out as an expert in the law distorts the facts and issues like this.”
Strong words from a moron. If anything that you said were actually true, where are the other convictions? Why do you feel the need to blab so much about topics that you clearly know nothing about?
There is no injury. The State of NY is the plaintiff, right? How was the State of NY injured? How does the State of NY have standing.
The death of the Democrat party gives rise to a radical bunch making a sustained effort to tear apart western civilization. QUESTION IS: What will be the future of our constitutional republic ?
Agreed that this was just patently absurd on its face after the price tag was announced – it was for me the single point that proved beyond the shadow of a doubt our modern left is utterly corrupt from top to bottom and will tolerate an actual democratic process to the tune of zero. They will never get their credibility back, and I hope this ends in another instance of showing them the patience we’ve had and benefit of the doubt is all used up. This was just disgusting, and against all notions of recurrent sanity, they have only gotten worse in the intervening time. These people are not well, and belong nowhere near power ever again in a free country, in any capacity.
But the fact you ignore the orange whoopee cushions corruption proves you’re a confederate.
“proves you’re a confederate.”
Spoken without irony as blue state and city governors and mayors declare areas to be free from federal government control.
*. Is the appellate obstructing?
OT:With EVERY photo of a ‘starving’ Gazan proving fake, how can you believe the famine claims?
By Post Editorial Board Published Aug. 18, 2025, 6:21 p.m. ET
Palestinian mother Samah Matar holding her son Youssef in a shelter in Gaza City on July 24, 2025.
Palestinian mother Samah Matar holding her son Youssef in a shelter in Gaza City on July 24, 2025. REUTERS/Mahmoud Issa
You’ve sure got to wonder about all those claims that Israel is sparking starvation in Gaza when every single picture meant to illustrate it turns out to be fake.
That’s right: It wasn’t just the infamous photo of supposedly “malnourished” Muhammad Ayyoub al-Matouq that was grossly misleading: The Free Press looked at 12 other media “symbols of Gazan starvation” and found — in each and every case — the photos and stories “lacked important context.”
Rough percentage of Gaza reports that are correct?
Forget starvation: “The subjects have cystic fibrosis, rickets, or other serious ailments,” the FP reported.
*****Hmm. So all the world media desperate to offer clear evidence of famine have yet to find even a single Gazan healthy before the war but now suffering from actual starvation, and not other illnesses.*****
How, then, can anyone believe claims that hunger is widespread, let alone imply Israel is to blame.
Some reports actually seem like intentional deception: A July 29 Guardian story on Gaza famine depicted Youssef Matar as “malnourished” but omitted that he suffers from cerebral palsy — even though Reuters had noted it just days earlier.
Other outlets offer sad excuses for their fake photos: CNN blamed “agencies and local journalists” in Gaza for its story on Mosab al-Debs, 14, “suffering from malnourishment” — without mentioning that a head injury had left him paralyzed.
Similarly, excusing its story describing Atef Abu Khater, 17, as healthy pre-war but recently malnourished that failed to note a psychological shock led to him refuse food, the New York Times cited how an “official” (which, in Gaza, means Hamas-directed) report listed “the cause of his death as severe malnutrition.”
We failed to ensure we weren’t just passing along propaganda is a pretty poor excuse for any news professional.
Plus: Uncovering the “missing context” for these 12 subjects “didn’t require in-depth, on-the-ground reporting,” the FP reporters noted. “It took minutes and required nothing more than a computer with stable internet connection.”
That was too tough for CNN and the Times?
And the scandals are still coming: On Monday, the BBC admitted a Gaza woman it said died of starvation actually had leukemia.
This is a pattern of shocking malpractice across multiple “high-quality” institutions.
It doesn’t just mean you can’t believe their reports of Gaza famine, it means you can’t trust any of their reporting on any Israel-Palestinian issue … or maybe on anything at all.
Meyer, wrong subject. SF.
OT’s are seen all the time. Moreover, ignorant antisemites like Dgsnowden claim starvation all the time. This is in response to him and a few others.
S. Meyer, So you are joining on the denial of the truth. Anything that contradicts your perceptions is automatically fake. Looks like Trump taught you well.
Locke, any child with the slightest grasp of logic and a willingness to check sources would recognize that the article is true. Much of the evidence is documented elsewhere and comes from multiple primary sources.
If you prefer to stay blind, that’s your choice. But don’t kid yourself, everyone can see exactly who and what you are.
That article is from an Israeli propaganda conduit, the Free Press. They rely on dupes like you to believe it.
Funny how only the legitimate government of the area has propaganda. Hamas never lies though. Cough.
Thanks S. Meyer. The Jew haters are metastasizing among the Democrat party and it is the scariest political movement I have seen in my entire life of following politics.
Thanks, Hullbobby. I appreciate the same when you put the antisemites down.,
No. You’re just exposing your cruelty alongside your idiocy.
“No. You’re just exposing your cruelty alongside your idiocy.”
Yeah, idiocy like thinking that Hamas are the good guys. You’re one to talk.
What type of life do you live? You get off on slaughtering people, cutting their heads off, killing women and children, and having sex with the dead body. You are a sick individual who gets off on those things in reality or vicariously.
S. Meyer,
They Became Symbols for Gazan Starvation. But All 12 Suffer from Other Health Problems.
https://www.thefp.com/p/they-became-symbols-for-gazan-starvation?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Dear Meyers,
I heard the allies are going to occupy Gaza and distribute food.
Regards,
United States citizen
Food and other things have continuously been delivered. Unfortunately, Hamas violently takes control over these things and then sells them at exhorbiant prices. Most of the aid to Gaza is turned into weapons and tunnels.
No they haven’t. Israel has contantly been delaying food and deliberately keeping the flow as minimal as possible. Hamas is no longer relevant. The IDF is now shooting starving people who dare go get food. Israel is losing the narrative and the world is noticing.
You’re a sad example of an IDF stooge.
Wrong.
From The Free Press article,
“It’s not that there isn’t hunger in Gaza. There is. The World Health Organization reported 63 deaths from malnutrition last month alone, including 25 children. Some of them might have been sick or worse even if there was no war. In 2022, about 50 Gazans under the age of 20 died from malnutrition, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.
Yannay Spitzer, an economist at Hebrew University of Jerusalem who has been tracking food prices in Gaza during the past few months, said hunger in Gaza is largely declining since Israel resumed aid deliveries in late May after its nearly 80-day blockade. In mid-July, prices for basic necessities like flour skyrocketed by 4,000 percent, according to his review of data from the Gaza Chamber of Commerce and the World Food Programme.
“If a situation like that lasts more than a few days, a lot of people will go hungry but not starve to death en masse. That’s the beginning of a process, which the media portrayed as already at the catastrophic end stage,” Spitzer said, before pausing. “But it never happened.”
Still, he said, food prices are “15 times higher than peacetime,” but are nowhere near their high point earlier this summer. “It’s very different from these Ethiopian-like famine pictures that readers in the West were led to believe in.”
The films taken show otherwise. It seems that everyone in the pictures of starving kids is well fed, and the child or person has an illness which causes them to look malnourished. There are plenty of videos showing well-fed Gazans. You remind me of the Lion from the Wizard of Oz. Like you, all he needed was a brain.
Allan…, it’s famine driven genocide and you support it.
I support life. You support the culture of death. Just conversing with you makes me want to take a shower.
Who are these idiots that believe anything from Hamas? Do you also believe in the Easter bunny?
As someone who was born and raised in New York, this is just another reason why I would never consider moving back. I don’t even like to visit such a corrupt state. When I do have to visit, I spend as little time and money while I’m there.
Our family has been renting vacation houses for years in upstate NY. We got a letter that NY has slapped a new 8% tax on “short term rental unit occupancy in this state when the rental rate is more than $2.00 per unit per day”. That’s going to do wonders for the tourist season. Like many others, I think we’ll look elsewhere for next summer.
Only the owner of private property and no level of government may “claim and exercise” dominion over the property in question.
The absolute 5th Amendment right to private property was self-qualified by the requirements for “due process” and “just compensation,” and the “Takings Clause” and is, therefore, absolute, allowing no further qualification.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
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“[Private property is] that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual.”
– James Madison
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5th Amendment
No person shall be…deprived of…property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I spent some time in upstate New York, and in particular, the People’s Republic of Ithaca (“ten square miles surrounded by reality”). It’s insanely expensive and the roads are crap – more potholes that go unfixed for decades than you can shake a stick at. Few homeowners take care of their yard or front lawns, so the weeds choke out everything.
The rules are ridiculous too. For example, in the grocery stores, no plastic bags are allowed, you have to buy paper bags, and if purchasing beer or wine, everyone in your party must be over 21, not just the purchaser. Literally every person in your party gets carded even if they are not buying alcohol. Or try going to a public swimming pool: you’d think you were in Soviet Russia during the cold war.
The weather in the summer is beautiful, though, as is the countryside.
Thank you professor for pointing out exactly how this entire case was in fact a farce.
He pointed out aspects, he did not exactly point out anything. Commercial law is not his field.
You apparently did not read the article. It had nothing to do with commercial law. It had everything to do with judicial process. Try a little harder next time.
I am reasonably sure the appellate delay is because they SOO want to rule against Trump but after many months they can’t find any legal or factual reason for doing so.
Some likely want to rule against him without any legal justification and others may want to find just a speck of actual law to support their insane decision, or leave him hanging in limbo.
At some point mandamus from above may have to intervene.
What poison are our law schools and professional associations feeding lawyers these days?
Keep it up and at some point a majority of the public will applaud sending the National Guard into the courtroom.
Still believe Roberts’ stupid statement that there are no Obama or Biden [or Jacobin] judges, just judges?
We should also inquire whether there is improper political pressure put on the courts.
It is even possible that someone in the court is refusing to surrender to evil.
I think the court is scared.
Scared of being doxxed.
Scared of their families being affected.
Scared of losing their careers.
I don’t blame them.
Why are they scared?
Because lawfare has taken over the NY and replaced justice.
I may not blame them, but it just shows how this court has zero gonads.
Steve
Genuine,
Yes, that thought occurred after my original comment. Fear may be a huge factor in the paralysis of this court just as it appears to have been in the appeals of the officers convicted in the Floyd case.
One of the many good things Trump has accomplished is his getting the Jacobins in the Dem party to tear their masks off and reveal just what horrible people they are, prepared to say and do almost anything to get power and control over our lives for the worst.
Not everyone who previously identified as a Democrat has a corrupted soul and is willing to support the Jacobins. Many former Democrats have joined the Trump administration. Many intellectuals like Turley have also condemned the Jacobins.
We can ignore our past differences because it is now obvious that we are in a fight for civilization and to stop a descent into a new Dark Age. And, yes, I think it is that serious.
They are surrendering evil from the moment they keep alloweing this travesty of a trial and judgement to continu.
The lack of “ethics” in the New York legal system can only be compared to the “ethics” of another New York (and, unsurprisingly, Harvard trained) lawyer, Jack Smith, for insight into how “ethics” are ingrained in the Empire State. In the instance of the New York Appellate Court decision regarding Trump, the Court apparently feels that the speed with which justice should be delivered has absolutely no meaning. Jack, on the other hand, felt that Trump should not even have adequate time to prepare for his case.
The lesson: Don’t worry, the government (to include the judiciary) is on your side…..as long as you are on theirs.
“. . . the entire trial by Justice Arthur Engoron made a mockery of the court system . . .” (JT)
True to form, Leftists blame Trump for that “mockery.”
Why? Because, they assert, Trump should have demanded a jury trial.
There’s only one problem: In a NY civil case where the action is for “equitable relief” (such as in the Trump case), there is no such thing as a defendant’s right to a jury trial.
That is the one thing that the corrupt Engoron got right: “Judge Arthur Engoron on Wednesday clarified that Donald Trump would not have been entitled to a jury trial in his New York civil fraud case.”
Only in the state of New York, could there be a tie vote on a 5 Member Court.
One justice was beside himself.
That is the most likely explanation.
. . . they could do us all a favor and allow the case to proceed toward more competent jurists and final resolution
Who are the more competent jurists? The next stop would be the NY Court of Appeals (highest court in NY), which is still the NY judicial system. And that is a court of discretionary review, meaning they don’t have to take the case. Or are you referring to Scotus? If so, is there a preserved federal issue? If Trump’s lawyers were not asleep at the switch, they will have raised a 14th Amendment due process claim, which would count.
Life in the slow lane cause they done lost their mind.
I think the woman who accused him of sexual misconduct and judge Engoron, who heard the case, should be totally investigated by the FBI. They committed crimes to interfere with the election to make Trump out to be someone committing crimes and a sexual abuser. The judge interfered with the case by restricting Any defense that Trump was to be given and deserve to give it was totally tried and shut case before even started. They need to be investigated and charged with whatever crimes that they committed by interfering in the election.
The FBI doesn’t investigate judges and law, its the DOJ’s job.
“The case against Trump . . .”
Here is the Left’s utterly absurd claim:
Trump *over*valued his properties. And he simultaneously *under*valued the exact same properties.
The Left needs a new motto: Contradictions are us.
A troll on the last page of comments just said that Trump defrauded both insurers and banks due to overvaluing his properties. I can’t even.
When Donald Trump went to get that loan, that should have been between him and a loan officer that would have represented the bank. That loan officer would make the decision if the property to be used as collateral had the value that Donald Trump claimed it had. Trump paid the loan back with interest. Under these circumstances any of us could be scrutinized by someone who is out to get us.
Is it absurd because you have no understanding of the law or the fact that there was evidence presented in court or that you are just too much in denial to see it?
“Is it absurd because you have no understanding of the law or the fact that there was evidence presented in court or that you are just too much in denial to see it?”
Gigi, don’t forget to pick up some new lube on your way to the truck stop tonight. That guy was pretty angry last night when you ran out.
“. . . evidence presented in court . . .”
That Trump both over- and under-valued the same properties?
Please do present that “evidence.”
Question: After so much time, can Trumpa ask Supreme Court for relief?
If there’s a federal issue, he can ask, but there is little chance Scotus would do so. Scotus rarely interrupts an ongoing appellate process even when asked, and there is no emergency here, just a Chinese water torture of delay, which is not enough for Scotus.
“Question: After so much time, can Trumpa ask Supreme Court for relief?”
No.
It’s a state issue and until he gets his appeal to the NY court of appeals which is their version of a State Supreme court he can’t do anything about it.
“No.
It’s a state issue and until he gets his appeal to the NY court of appeals which is their version of a State Supreme court he can’t do anything about it.”
Wrong as usual nimrod. The Supreme Court can indeed pull the case out if they chose to. Trump already appealed other state cases directly to them and was denied cert. Why do you think that his lawyers did that, if that were not allowed? Is it really too much to ask you to learn something about our justice system before you run your mouth?
Everyone knows that this was just another case in the illegally coordinated lawfare campaign against Trump. The sooner that the appellate court throws this out, the better it will be for our system of justice.
Nothing can salvage the reputation of any system of justice dominated by Democrats. Countless injustices fester in the dark.
Obviously you are clueless about how the law works.
“Obviously you are clueless about how the law works.”
Gigi, are you fully booked tonight? We have some more trucks coming in after midnight, and there’s need of your “service” skills.