While many media outlets are attempting to regain balance and to appeal to a broader audience, the New York Times is clearly not one of them. The newspaper is doubling down on the denials and deflections on the left after the latest political assassination. The newspaper is under attack for featuring the work of Hasan Piker, a writer who has called Jews “inbred pigs,” declared that the United States “deserved” 9-11, and screamed about killing capitalists.
The timing of the Piker column could not have been worse.
Just before the anniversary of the Cotton controversy, the New York Times published a column by University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis, who defended the murder of a conservative protester and said that he saw “nothing wrong” with such acts of violence. (Loomis was given a promotion by the University of Rhode Island after his remarks). While Loomis’ column was not on such violence, it stood in glaring contradiction to the newspaper’s pledge not to run Cotton’s editorials.
The New York Times is undeterred because its readers seem to value the very hypocrisy revealed in these controversies. They can rely on the Times to offer spins and deflections to relieve them of any self-examination after tragedies like the Kirk assassination.
I continue to oppose the censorship of individuals who, like Piker, espouse hateful views. Despite my friendship with Charlie, I have pushed back on calls to crackdown on anyone celebrating his murder (though there are cases where free speech is not a barrier to such action). However, the hypocrisy at the New York Times featuring such figures as Piker while barring others like Sen. Cotton is breathtaking.
The New York Times once represented the gold standard of journalism. The current editors and journalists have destroyed that legacy built on Adolph S. Ochs pledge to run “All the News That’s Fit to Print.” Today it seems like the “Old Gray Lady” is offering more a “fit” than news.
When the right talks about protecting free speech, what they really mean is protecting conservative speech.
You like saying the opposite of the truth?
When the LEFT talks about protecting free speech, what they really mean is protecting EXTREME-LEFTIST speech.
You had zero compunctions when shutting down Covid/Injection speech against illegal mandates, shutting down voting-irregularity speech, coining the new phrase “election deniers” even jailing people for expressing this free speech, and zero interest or care when the topics were anything you didn’t like on Twittter during the Dorsey-shutdowns of accounts….
ZIP IT, hypocrite!
The trolls on this site are particularly execrable. May they all F off.
And may your shoelace break.
No, non emotional speech of negativity.
If I told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?
Much of society would, if the jumping off the cliff was a government edict to engage in useless social distancing and stupid mask wearing, even for children where it does no good at all and just makes them anxious, or if it involved a government edict to inject a dangerous and unproven brew of experimental chemicals into one’s body.
If I’d been brainwashed most likely I would. Would you swallow cyanide laced jello shots as the religious group did?
If expressions cause people to kill, then why didn’t Ozzy Osbourne lose the lawsuit?
https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-exonerated-suicide-solution-fan-death-lawsuit-anniversary/
Sigh. The lights are on but nobody’s home, ‘Anonymous coward’. Yawn. Go gaslight for dollars elsewhere, we don’t care. Yawn.🥱🥱
Whereas the “Gray Lady” was once — long ago — respected, she has become, proudly, the “Gray Trollop,” eager and willing to allow the Left to “have its way with her.”
I am put to mind about the legality of some hate speech. A phrase from the 2003 book by Bethany McClean and Peter Elkind about the 2001 Enron collapse. It centers on the GAP- the General Accounting Principles. They described the view of them as “sleazy but legal”. That’s a good fit for hate speech.
My bad. GAAP- Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. Title is The Smartest Guys In The Room.
Everything that is not moral is not illegal.
Government is not there to make us better people – we must do that ourselves.
It is their to prevent and punish us from using FORCE as the means to accomplish what we can not through persuasion.
I have also been told that Trump is an anti-semite even though his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish, he has Jewish granchildren and he vigorously supports the State of Israel. There is no accounting whatsoever for these nonsensical opinions.
There is some interesting stuff on this on today’s Meagan Kelley.
First antisemitism and criticism of Israel are not the same.
Next if we toss out the left wing nuts who are antisemites and whose only interest in the views of Republicans on Jews and Israel is the hope they can catch them in something bad, Republicans are NOT of one voice regarding Israel.
While near unanimous that the Oct 7 attacks were vile and Israel had the right to respond,
Many are frustrated by the ongoing war, and the inability to reach a peace – both right now and more broadly.
Further in most instances we do not know the “answer”
The Palestinians have been a PITA for 3/4 of a century. The best hope for peace was the Clinton orchestrated camp david summit in 2000. Arrafat walked away from ANY deal.
Know one knows what it will take for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
So it is not surprising there are splits in the right regarding Israel.
But no one on the right is throwing Israel to the wolves.
“Many are frustrated by the ongoing war, and the inability to reach a peace – both right now and more broadly”.
Imagine that, we’re more and more frustrated at a two year war – while we’ve watched Biden handcuff Israel and tell them what they can and can’t do for the majority of that time. And Trump, while far, far better, hasn’t been shy about telling Israel what he will and won’t allow them to do. This is the same Trump who several times about the time he took office, threatened the Gaza Arabs that if they did not release all the hostages by the weekend, there would be ‘hell to pay’.
“US President-elect Donald Trump has issued an apparent warning to Hamas, threatening “all hell to pay” if hostages held in Gaza are not released by the time he returns to the White House on 20 January.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62757dd55no
And again… three months later in March:
“Trump again threatens Hamas with ‘hell’ to pay if it doesn’t release ‘all’ hostages”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-threatens-hamas-hell-pay-release-hostages/story?id=119515983
Six months later, the Arab terrorists Hamas still have hostages, Israel has to stay on Trump’s good side and accept limitations on military action, deal with American leaking of plans they share, there has been no hell to pay despite Trump’s threats… and Americans are frustrated at those Israelis because it’s their fault the war is still going on?
We inflict the causes of our “forever wars” on Israel, rather than just doing that to ourselves: politicians inserting themselves and their political agendas into wars to instruct the professional generals on how those wars will and won’t be fought.
If we had just got out of their way and Biden had taken the shackles he and his Democratic party put on Isreal to appease their New Hitler Youth on college campuses, this war would have been over before the first anniversary of the October 7th butchery.
“Know one knows what it will take for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.”
Rational people know there will be no peace when the Gaza Arabs operate on a charter that says all Jews must be eliminated along with the state of Israel. Why people are apparently confused about that is a curious thing.
There is no such thing as a “Palestinian”, just as there never was a people or a state called Palestine. Which is why archaeologists have never found evidence of past Palestinian kings, emperors, rulers, etc, nor artifacts of “Palestinian” culture. Claims about “Palestine” and “Palestinian” are even more fraudulent than last weekend’s claim that the murderer of Charlie Kirk was a Fuentes “Gryper”.
What there are is Muslim Arabs in Gaza who none of the countries they originated from wants to allow to return to their actual homeland.
You can feel empathy for the few Gaza Arabs who aren’t full throated supporters of the Hamas terrorists who are more successful at butchering their fellow Gaza Arabs than they are Israelis. But like Trannies, you can feel empathy for the hell they’re in – but you DON’T have to agree with and repeat their lies.
I haven’t forgotten (and often repeat) the moniker for the NYT: New York Slime. IMHO: the noun slime applies as well to its faithful readers!
Thank you, John Say for actually answering my question rather than answering the stupidity put out by Yellow X. As pernicious and unconstitutional as wokeness is (and I tend to agree we are now past peak woke) I don’t see it as a 4th turning style crisis along the lines of 1776, the Civil War, and WWII. But I do think we’re in a 20-year crisis phase and that the extraordinarily evil and sinister action of assassinating Charlie Kirk punctuates it in some meaningful way, as does the extraordinarily disgusting and despicable reaction of glee by many on the left. There even seems to be a major worldwide reaction, as we’ve seen footage from places like London and Seoul where protesters are being inspired by his message of freedom.
Our thinking is similar. I can not foretell the future.
But using what I see now as a basis to predict.
I think the possibility of a left – Right civil war is idiotic. Some – left and right might want it,
but it is just not happening and I do not think it is possible in the US.
It is my GUESS that we are early in an escalating period of left wing violence.
Nothing in the response to this has suggested that the Left is blinking, is backing away.
While this IS alienating SOME on the left – there are voices condemning this – Voices that I doubt I agre on almost anything else – Far left voices, they are few.
We WILL see more and more people defect as the left becomes ever more violent and lunatic.
What SHOULD have happened is Democrats in 2016 after Hillaries loss should have tacked Right.
Back to BILL Clinton. At the same time I am not sure even that was possible.
The democratic party is incredibly dependent on the under 30 vote, and under 30 democrats are on the far far far left.
The democratic party has a structural problem that I do not think is solveable.
Republicans have their own fractures – but these are small compared to those of democrats.
The only group likely to leave the GOP is NeoCons. Two decades of endless war have obliterated their credibility.
Even Democrats only tolerate them because of their common hatred for Trump.
The left is going to be increasingly violent and increasing irrelevant.
The democratic party is either going to have its own civil war or it will become increasingly dysfunctional.
For a decade or more until Democrats get their act together major policy decisions in this country will be determined by debates within the Republican party.
Trump’s platform will define US policies for a decade.
But WITHIN that platform each line item is NOT absolute.
There is as an example no possibility that Republicans are deporting every illegal immigrant in the US.
Nor is their public support for that.
Democrats have again screwed up by defending violent criminals.
But there will be a debate over
the extent of deportations and the farther we get from Criminals the less support their will be.
Imgration is just one platform plank where
what results may shift left or right from the platform. But my point is that increasingly violent left wing nuts will NOT have much impact on US politics or policy for a long time.
Biden FBI targeted 92 GOP Organizations- including Charlie Kirks Turning Point USA!!!
ARTIC FROST!!
Can you even imagine if a White person did this at a MLK memorial?
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1967284769999479211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1967284769999479211%7Ctwgr%5Ed7cac9e6fcf0ba0d5eb43f5eea45a9f0a5c18ea2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibe.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Ftexas-tech-student-expelled-disrupting-charlie-kirk-vigil-1235120279%2F
Stop with the MLK bull—-. The clown partied and had extramarital sex with two women who weren’t his wife the night before his demise. He was not a PhD; he plagiarized to obtain a PhD illicitly, which was decided by the university. His degree was not rescinded in order that the university not be considered racist, making the degree an affirmative action award. He defrauded and lied to his wife, his children, his complete family, his church congregation, God, and all of God’s creation. He was a philanderer who repeatedly committed the sin of adultery and, therefore, was as dishonest, immoral, and unethical as any man could possibly be.
“He was a philanderer who repeatedly committed the sin of adultery and, therefore, was as dishonest, immoral, and unethical as any man could possibly be.”
You could say exactly the same thing about FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Bush The First, Clinton, Biden – and of course Trump. And probably a few other American presidents other than those in the last century.
Perhaps people who cheat on their spouses and commit the sin of adultery can accomplish some good despite that. Whether their name is Martin Luther King, Donald Trump, or Dwight Eisenhower.
Do you despise MLK for his cheating and adultry – or the fact his skin was black? Trump gets mentioned here every day, but generally it’s only Gigi that gets offended and says things like “the clown partied and had extramarital sex”.
The right is getting greedy with their accusations and thirst for punishment of those who are not expressing the same sentiments towards Charlie Kirk First Pam Bondi threatens to prosecute anyone for hate speech involving Kirk. Now we have Gov. Gregg Abott demanding a student be expelled and face consequences for mocking the assassination of Kirk.
“ Gov. Greg Abbott called on the university to “expel this student immediately” in a social media post Tuesday.
“Mocking assassination must have consequences,” he wrote on X.”
It’s protected speech. Expulsion for mocking? Really? Conservatives are a sensitive bunch.
You are wrong about the first amendment – but worse you are hypocritical.
You have called for people to be expelled, fired, prosecuted, arrested, and assassinated for their speech.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you are begging everyone to see as Fascist the possibility that YOU might suffer the same consequences as YOU imposed on others.
People have been fired for over a decade over your demands based on their speech.
You told us over and over that the First amendment did not protect hate speech.
Why should anyone care about your hypocritical wrapping your self in the first amendment now ?
You have no clothes.
You have cried wolf too many times.
The courts will likely sort this out.
If the Gov. Abott or Trump have gone to far – they will get reined in.
If rights have been violated – the courts will restore protection.
But only a left wing nut could hypocritically attack the right as Fascist for attempting to do what the left has actually done over an over in the past.
People are tired of listening to you – and the Right to not listen to others is part of Free Speech.
No one is listening.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
You came for everyone else.
Now they are coming for you.
And no one is listening to your rants.
John Say,
“ You have called for people to be expelled, fired, prosecuted, arrested, and assassinated for their speech.”
When have I said that? You’re confusing right-wing pundits for something I have never said.
John, you sound defensive by adding projection and making false claims.
“ Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you are begging everyone to see as Fascist the possibility that YOU might suffer the same consequences as YOU imposed on others.”
Shoe on the other foot? The right is doing exactly what the left had always been pointing out. It’s the uncomfortable truth that seems to be triggering your defensive posture.
“ People are tired of listening to you – and the Right to not listen to others is part of Free Speech.
No one is listening.“
Apparently, you are. Everyone listens or reads what I post just as I do the same with everyone’s posts here.
The right is turning into the leftists right before your eyes.
Trump is directing his AG to prosecute protesters and dissenters because he doesn’t like what they are saying. Fascists are the first to overdo it and out themselves. Trump and the right are exploiting Kirk’s death to smear and attack the left. Its looking really bad.
X
“When have I said that?”
A leopard can not change its spots.
Everyone here KNOWS you
We may not know exactly which left wing Dingbat you were shilling as before,
But you did not emerge here yesterday Virgin disconnected from your Past idiocy.
No the right is not doing what the left predicted.
The right is doing a TINY bit of what the left has done over and over again.
Where your first amendment rights are actually being violated – I will defend you exactly as I would a Nazi.
But outside your own head – all hear KNOW that YOU are the Nazi,
and that YOU would never and have never given to others the rights I will defend for you.
Pull the tinfoil a bit tighter
Freedom of speech constitutes absolute, fundamental law, which shall not be abridged.
“Hate speech” laws constitute an unconstitutional abridgment of speech.
Moral turpitude clauses are contractual.
Really, though I appreciate the tenacity in bringing truth to light; the NYT has already ceased to exist for me, period, predating Trump. People have to remind me the paper even still exists, so greatly have they nuked their own credibility, and I used to read the Sunday edition on the regular. New York what??? Honestly, after they put (white) trust fund bloggers in charge, who cares? Pfft. ‘New York Times’ is reason enough to dismiss something out of hand in 2025.
I say this as someone with a generational home in New York state going back 50 years, and having spent a great deal of time in Manhattan. They can bite me.
Really: the trolls here are clown level ridiculous at this point; actually, clowns would be ashamed of them – everyone else here thinks so – thank you Professor for the thought provoking piece.
“the trolls here are clown level ridiculous at this point”
It is a sign of how bad things are going for them.
The worse things get the more desparate and stupid the arguments will be.
everyone watch this video (about half-way down from the beginning of the article in print.
This is what the “equal rights act” has brought us. Watch how she claims that he’s picking on her “because she’s Black.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/texas-tech-student-arrested-and-expelled-after-disrupting-charlie-kirk-vigil/ar-AA1MFlH1?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=37ea64143b8246649b486ab2dfdd7dd3&ei=10
I don’t want to start a race war, but this getting downright crazy.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1967284769999479211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1967284769999479211%7Ctwgr%5Ed7cac9e6fcf0ba0d5eb43f5eea45a9f0a5c18ea2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibe.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Ftexas-tech-student-expelled-disrupting-charlie-kirk-vigil-1235120279%2F
She’s an accuser. Accusers are very dangerous to your immortal soul. It always begins with the accuser.
MSN: “The student, identified as Camryn Giselle Booker, was seen on video Friday (Sep. 12) near the school’s Student Union Building allegedly shouting, “F**k y’all homie dead, he got shot in the head,” at attendees gathered in remembrance.”
Crazy: It looks like she’s picking on them “because they’re white.” A lot of attention and prestige being given to these types of lunatics, these days.
That’s the real story.
Soon to exist no more and this world of chaos shall not be remembered by one and all.
With sincerest wishes for each one, a better, more perfect reincarnation
the last. More perfect health and beauty, more intelligence and industriousness, a moral and good culture, the best of all nations in every way and abundance and virtue.
You won’t remember.
A race war cannot exist in America; the American Founders saw to that beginning in 1790, and their resolution was never legislatively abrogated:
Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798, 1802 (four iterations for clarity)
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof….
“A race war cannot exist in America; the American Founders saw to that beginning in 1790, and their resolution was never legislatively abrogated:”
Look at you! Terrified that Blackie is going to come kill you now that he’s out of chains! There’s not going to be a race war George – a good thing because you’d be an appealing target to all races, despite their color or politics.
Is there anything you WON’T lie about, Kluxxer George/X/Anonymous? Including the fact that very few of The Founders were actually sitting in elected office when Congress passed that first election law you say was never abrogated (other than the four cherry picked revisions you mention? Never mind your claim that Congress stopped passing revisions to laws in 1802?
Never legislatively abrogated? “Subsequent amendments, such as those in 1795 and 1798, changed residency requirements and the declaration of intent, while the Civil War amendments to the Constitution made existing racist legislation that excluded black Americans born in America from citizenship were struck down as unconstitutional.”
You and your Confederate states lost the Civil war and claim to black Americans born on American soil as your property. Just as you’re losing your current Marxist war and your grip on black Americans living on your poverty plantations where you can harvest their votes.
The only problem with your hyperbolic propaganda is the fact that secession was included in the ratification documents of multiple states and was not and is not prohibited in or by the Constitution and is not delegated to the U.S. or prohibited to the states and is, therefore, reserved to the states verbatim in and by the 10th Amendment. “Crazy Abe’s” illicit denial of secession and every subsequent act of that rogue tyrant was and remains unconstitutional, including the “Reconstruction Amendments” conjured and prescribed by Karl Marx and executed by Lincoln’s communist successors.
Oh, and thanks for reading, again, and again, and again. As always, you’re my greatest fan, and I want you to know that I appreciate your support and patronage, ma’am.
“The only problem with your hyperbolic propaganda is the fact that secession was included in the ratification documents of multiple states”
The pragmatic, real world problem with your Confederate Kluxxer dreams and lies is that you started a shooting war months before Fort Sumpter, that you couldn’t win. You Confederate Kluxxers became the original FAFO. Now you split your time defending the Kluxxer Confederacy and today’s neo-communist Democrat fascists like The Oval Office House Plant, Bribery Biden, your fellow racist.
And I am always willing to clean up after you on isle Loser. After all: it shouldn’t be just one person here stuck with having to to pick up the garbage and take it out, Kluxxer George.
That video is DISGUSTING. Even worse, she’s probably on a DEI tuition-free program as well.
I MHO do not fall for the phoney text message between Tyler the killer and his boyfriend tranny Lanny after he knew his azz was grazz. It’s a post assassination fabrication of alibi and separation from the crime for boy toy furry fan… He knew and so did the Queer Army.
Pull the tinfoil a bit tighter
Time will tell watch as it unfolds…
Jonathan: There is one news outlet that is silencing any criticism of Charlie Kirk. It’s the Washington Post. Yesterday the WP fired one of its columnists, Karen Attiah who is Black. What was her transgression? Attiah used her private Bluesky account to post a quote by Charlie Kirk in which he disparaged several Black women, including Michelle Obama, saying they “did not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. You had to steal a white person’s slot”. Another illustration of Kirk’s open racism.
And this was not in one of Attiah’s Post columns. It was in a private social media account. Pretty alarming that WP would retaliate against one of its columnists for exercising her First Amendment rights. But not unexpected under the new policies of WP billionaire owner Jeff Bezos who dines with DJT on a regular basis. Bezos is running scared. He is afraid of DJT and doesn’t want to be sued. So he is excluding from the WP any criticism of DJT–or in this case criticism of Charlie Kirk who was a good friend of DJT. So to be clear. When billionaires own newspapers freedom of the press is collateral damage!
Rabble:
Why don’t you post the whole quote and context, instead of the “zinger” from Kirk you keep fantasizing about? The line wasn’t about black women being dumb. He was saying that solely without Affirmative Action, none of those women in high positions would ever have been qualified for it.
See Justice Jackson.
Injustice Affirmative Action Jacktion!
What a —-ing joke.
Affirmative action and legislative favor are essentially unconstitutional.
The Israelite slaves were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers, but then, they had the capacity and acumen sufficient to the task.
The context does not matter.
WP is private there is no first amendment rights regarding your employer, and no right to a job.
Bezos is looking to balance the editorial staff of WaPo to stem the losses.
Many left wing nuts are going to be RIFFed.
Attiah being fired for her Kirk post might be a pretext.
It does not matter – approx half of the editorial staff is likely on the chopping block.
Why don’t you post the whole quote and context…
All of the CK “quotes” are taken out of context, and it’s not just Dumbo⬆doing it, but all the extremist wingnuts on Social Media….
ATS – why would anyone Trust your spin on Facts ?
Regardless WP is a private company.
From the start Bezos has been clear that he was expecting WaPo to seek a broader audience.
But if anything Bezos has allowed it to become even more overgrown with left wing nuts.
Some of them must go is WaPo is to survive.
The first amendment has no bearing on the hiring and firing within private businesses.
Absolutely Attiah has first amendment rights – she can not be prosecuted for her remarks and government can not censor her or even seek to censor her.
But Bezos can fire her. Not a first amendment issue
With respect to your alleged Kirk cite – there are many many many capable black people.
There are also lots of people who have advanced because of their race. Lisa Cook is inarguably one of those.
While her legal issues are actually small – they still reuire resigning or being fired. She is in an appointed position of Trust, and we can not trust people to government the largest central bank in the world who can not fill out a federal mortgage disclousre correctly. Reguardless this has put the spot light on her past – and there is nothing that ualifies her to be on the board of the largest central bank in the world . She is in way over her head and sh is taking the place of someone more ualified.
I can name atleast 3 black males.
It is not racist to point out that someone is not ualified.
I suspect that Attiahs post is at the very best – the last straw. WP is thinning the herd of left wing nuts and trying to bring in more diverse voices. Some have to go. Attiah self selected herself.
You seem to think that she had some RIGHT to her job.
“WP billionaire owner Jeff Bezos who dines with DJT on a regular basis.”
And he has been critical of Trump – as has Musk
It has generally been a rule of ettiuette that we do not speak ill of the dead – atleast not for some time after the body has been burried Attiah violated that – and she is gone.
” So he is excluding from the WP any criticism of DJT”
ROFL
BTW you are free to buy WaPo or any other media outlet you want – lots of major left wing outlets are for sale at bargain basement prices.
Turley tries to claim that “the left” are promoting hate speech, anti-semitism, etc., but clearly the First Amendment protects such speech, including some of the controversial and untrue things Kirk has said, like MLK, Jr. was a bad person, the Civil Rights Act was wrong, COVID denying, pushing the Big Lie, promoting the idea that women shouldn’t pursue higher education or a profession, and that abortion, under all circumstances, is “murder”, including a medication abortion for a 10 year old rape victim. Trump is actively going after anyone, media or individual, who criticizes him–the real threat to free speech comes from Trump/MAGA–but that’s not the idea Turley is paid to promote. Excerpted from “Huff Post”:
“The Trump administration isn’t so sure about this whole “freedom of speech” thing after all.
After President Donald Trump said Monday he’s “not so sure” about Americans’ First Amendment rights, Attorney General Pam Bondi dutifully followed up by threatening to bring racketeering charges against left-leaning groups that say things conservatives don’t like.
Politics: Stephen Miller Vows To ‘Destroy’ Left-Wing ‘Terror’ Networks Following Charlie Kirk Shooting
Asked Tuesday by ABC’s Jonathan Karl if he could clarify Bondi’s vow to target what the administration considers “hate speech,” Trump instead chose to attack both Karl and ABC News.
“What do you make of Pam Bondi saying she’s gonna go after hate speech? I mean, a lot of your allies say hate speech is free speech,” Karl asked.
“[I] should probably go after people like you, because you treat me so unfairly,” Trump replied. “You have a lot of hate in your heart. Maybe they’ll come after ABC.”
He then discussed ABC’s $16 million defamation settlement with him “for a form of hate speech,” and concluded, “Maybe they’ll have to go after you.”
The exchange comes after Trump announced Monday he is suing The New York Times for $15 billion, raising further concerns about press freedom under his leadership.”
Trump is just SO pathetic–after promising to release the full Epstein files, he reneged after learning from Elon Musk that he’s in the files. Over 1000 FBI agents were put to work flagging (and sanitizing) references to him–what does he have to hide? Then, he denied any lewd drawing from Epstein’s 50th birthday bound book exists–only to be proven wrong again. Clearly, that’s his signature, even though his candre of syncophants try to claim otherwise. The public wants to know about the “wonderful secret”–I think I already know what it is. Then, when economic bad news was released, fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, tried to fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve, only to get shot down, like he has in about 130 lawsuits challenging his attempt to rule by Executive Order. Then, his incompetent staff claimed that $10m worth of contraceptives, purchased for distribution via US AID, had been incinerated–but the Belgian press investigated, and that’s just another lie. The Gates Foundation offered to purchase and distribute the items, but Trump refused. So, he’s just going to waste $10m of our taxpayer dollars for no good reasn. Now, he’s taking his former nude model wifey to England, to force British royalty to be nice to him and put those cameras on him–that ego needs attention, adulation and praise, after all, and he’s deeply underwater in the polls here in the US. Trump opponents in England had a huge blowup of Trump with Epstein created and it is on display in Windsor. The list of failures and missteps keeps growing, the economny keeps faltering, and inflation is on its way up, as major US retailers are exhausting the stockpile of imported goods they purchased as a bulwark against tariffs–in fact, these additional purchases as a hedge against inflation artificially juiced up economic numbers in recent months. Major retailers are going to start passing along the increased cost—just in time for holiday gift giving!
Rabble:
Anonymoron, look just below your post. Many people are unhappy with Bondi and Patel, even more so for this.
Democrats were unhappy with Bondi and Patel in their prior positions of rooting out Democrat party felonies – long before Trump nominated them for the positions they hold now.
And we’re supposed to think THAT hate stopped when they were appointed to the positions they hold now?
You’re never going to do anything but hate Patel for exposing the felonious Obama/Clinton “Trump-Russia Dossier”.
BTW, with your current lies in mind: how did that years-long campaign of lies work out for you?
The first amendment protects “hate speech” – From govenrment censorship.
Not from condemnation.
Moral people condemn actual antisemitism,
I would never trust you regarding what Kirk may have said.
MLK like most of our heroes had feet of clay.
MLK Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams were all great people who also did bad things.
The portions of the CRA that constraint private discrimination are unconstitutional.
Such discrimination is wrong, but everything that is wrong is not the business of government.
Stop with the MLK bull—-. The clown partied and had extramarital sex with two women who weren’t his wife the night before his demise. He was not a PhD; he plagiarized to obtain a PhD illicitly, which was decided by the university. His degree was not rescinded in order that the university not be considered racist, making the degree an affirmative action award. He defrauded and lied to his wife, his children, his complete family, his church congregation, God, and all of God’s creation. He was a philanderer who repeatedly committed the sin of adultery and, therefore, was as dishonest, immoral, and unethical as any man could possibly be.
As soon as I read “Turley…”, I know what follows is a troll’s babbling.
that woman )gigi) really needs to get a life. unbelievable. day after day.
Turley tries to claim that “the left” are promoting hate speech, anti-semitism, etc., but clearly the First Amendment protects such speech, including some of the controversial and untrue things Kirk has said
Dennis: when it become “controversial” to say that it is not true and immoral to tell little boys they can’t mutilate their pre-pubescent bodies enough to become become girls?
To point out unqualified people who are in the positions they have is only due to racist and/or malandrist DEI hiring that chose them rather than others on meritocracy?
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say it’s more controversial for Governor Walz, wannabe VP, to put tampon dispensers in teenage boys bathrooms.
Is it more controversial for you to claim that adult biological men who tranny must be allowed to compete against women in women’s sports?
Don’t lie and run, Dennis: try to do like Charlie Kirk did: stay and defend your claims and pronouncements.
“Attorney General Pam Bondi tells Axios her office is not prosecuting or investigating anyone for alleged hate speech, only for speech that she says unlawfully incites violence.”
The TDS is very strong in this one.
Attorney General Pam Bondi, “ We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.”
Ted Cruz pointed out that hate speech is protected speech. “ The First Amendment absolutely protects speech,” Cruz said Tuesday at POLITICO’s AI & Tech Summit in Washington. “It absolutely protects hate speech. It protects vile speech. It protects horrible speech. What does that mean? It means you cannot be prosecuted for speech, even if it is evil and bigoted and wrong.”
Will Turley criticize Pam Bondi’s threat to prosecute those who engage in hate speech? I doubt it.
The Trump administration is actively attacking free speech and trying to punish individuals for expressing views they disapprove of. How long will it be before the professor faces backlash from MAGA supporters for his criticism?
Were you aware that the right is actually REALLY pissed at Bondi for her comments? I keep an eye on both sides and the second Bondi uttered “Hate Speech”, they went ballistic. She is getting thoroughly excoriated by it, just as with the Cruz comment you quoted. Any move she attempts to make on this is DOA.
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You know, George, you’re usually way off the mark, but with Bondi, I think some of us share the same mind.
She is, more and more, acting like a distractor-detractor-plant meant to further Deep State goals. She spends more time in the makeup chair for TV than she is in her office. I don’t know of one public win she’s gained in 8 months.
Hate speech, no matter what side, is a slippery definitive slope. What laws define hate speech? What’s to say another group won’t enforc these laws heavily against their detractors when they take power again?
The 1st Amendment does not define “hate speech.” In fact, it goes out of it’s own way to clarify that all speech is welcome in the USA, however, you are never free from consequences, such as the people being fired from their jobs for glorifying a cold murder and hoping it happens more. Companies, whilst ultimately following the 1st Amendment, do have codes of ethics that have been catching these people in violation of the company’s rules.
Bottom line, I don’t trust Bondi, either. Don’t trust Patel. The two biggest sour grapes in Trump’s cornucopia.
Patel did a great job putting Adam schiff in his place the other day. I don’t trust adam schiff.
I do not have a problem with Bondi’s remarks because I do not take them litterally.
I expect that Bondi’s DOJ will go after people whose violent rhetoric is not protected by the first amendment.
Bondi has been part of the few debacles that Trump has had in his 2nd Term
but I think she is thus far doing a good job overall.
Attorney General Pam Bondi tells Axios her office is not prosecuting or investigating anyone for alleged hate speech, only for speech that she says unlawfully incites violence.
Off topic, but a State of New York Judge, Gregory Carro has dropped terrorism charges against Luigi Mangione. His reasoning was that, the way the law is written in NYS, terrorism requires an element of terrorizing the general population for political effect.
We now face a situation where terrorizing an organization to coerce or manipulate organizational behavior is not recognized as a crime? Surely there are laws that could be applied here. It’s a form of extortion, isn’t it?
Political assassination most likely never is meant to terrorize everyone, but rather the “opposition”. I hope Prof. Turley will be discussing this unexpected turn of the Mangione case.
I have been warning for some time that elites (Judges, lawyers) in the legal system are systematically pre-empting case decisions that should go to Juries. Judge Carro could have allowed the Jurors to decide the relevance of the terrorism charge. He didn’t. He gave the middle finger to the jury.