Throughout his short life, Charlie Kirk enraged many by exposing the hate and hypocrisy of the left in higher education. What is astonishing is that he continues to do it even in death.
As millions mourn his murder around the world, any expressions of sorrow or respect for Kirk are triggering some on the left. Liberals have been arrested for stomping on or burning memorials to Kirk and others have taken to social media to denounce or mock people expressing regrets over the loss. A courthouse memorial was vandalized while a mural to Kirk had to be restored after an attack.
Former Gawker editor Elizabeth Spiers wrote an essay for Nation under the headline: “Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning.”
Some of the loudest voices have come from academia.
University of California Irvine lecturer Larry Tenney went on the liberal safe space site, BlueSky, to rave in all caps: “WE KNOW WHO CHARLIE KIRK WAS…”F**k off America” “F**k off Trump” and “F**k all you motherfuckers, idgag about any of you.” (For the non-profane literate, “idgag” means “I don’t give a f**k”).
What is clear from the diatribe is that Kirk also knew exactly who people like Tenney are. He knew that even his appearance or that of his group on campus would trigger many in academia.
For the speech-intolerant, any invitation to debate issues like abortion or transgender policies is intolerable. You are expected to accept their positions as righteous or face their rage. What was even more annoying was the fact that Kirk was winning the debate, young people trapped in the academic echo chamber were showing up en masse as they did at the rally where he died.
Faculty converted higher education into the current echo chamber and then treated students as a captive audience. When given a choice, many rushed to hear alternative views.
Fordham School of Law Professor John Pfaff joined the chorus of those objecting to expressions of respect or regret. Most tellingly, the sin that disqualified Kirk was that he implemented Professor Watchlist, a list of professors deemed the most intolerant and partisan on campuses, so that students could avoid their classes. Pfaff posted:
“Just a reminder Kirk’s organization established the Professor Watchlist, which even the NYT framed as a threat to academic freedom. I don’t get why ppl keep describing him as a good-faith debater. One can say ‘Kirk should not have been murdered’ (which is true!) without engaging in hagiography.”
In Pfaff’s siloed world, the New York Times is apparently so conservative that it is remarkable that “even the NYT” criticized the list. The comment only served to confirm that the relevant scale of comparison for academics today runs exclusively from the left to the far left.
At the University of Tennessee at Knoxville, Anthropology professor Tamar Shirinian. Tamar Shirinian wrote:
“The world is better off without him in it. Even those who are claiming to be sad for his wife and kids….like, his kids are better off living in a world without a disgusting psychopath like him and his wife, well, she’s a sick fuck for marrying him so I dont care about her feelings.”
Syracuse University political science assistant professor Jenn M. Jackson announced “him dying this ways seems both ironic and in line with his own politics.”
Others warned that anyone expressing sorrow was only self-identifying for future lists of fascists.
Martin Pfeiffer, PH.D candidate at the University of New Mexico, warned, “Charlie Kirk was a vicious, hateful fascist and white supremacist. To say anything else is a lie and, quite frankly, fascist collaboration.”
Across the country, efforts by a few professors to get their colleagues to sign letters expressing condolences or concerns over the murder were derailed by some of the same passive-aggressive ideologues who engaged in pearl-clutching objections over divisive positions.
What is most striking about these academics is the total lack of self-awareness, even as they adopt the very intolerance of historical villains in their classes.
The response of these professors is reminiscent of the Greek tragedy Antigone by Sophocles in 441 BCE. In the story, the two sons of Oedipus fight to the death for the throne of Thebes. The tyrant ruler Creon ordered that his favorite of the brothers, Eteocles, be buried with honors while banning anyone from mourning or burying the other brother, Polynices.
To be left on the ground unburied and unmourned was considered a great dishonor and sacrilege. It was too much for his sister, Antigone, who defied the tyrant and buried her brother. For that, Antigone was walled up in a cave and committed suicide.
Kirk’s critics will allow him to be buried, of course, but some cannot tolerate mourning his passing any more than they could tolerate his speaking.
I have opposed calls for firing academics making hateful comments outside of their official duties or accounts. Charlie spent his life opposing cancel campaigns and censorship.
However, it is crushingly ironic to see media and faculty suddenly outraged about cancel campaigns after years of ignoring the purging of conservatives from campuses. Most faculty crying foul today have been entirely silent when conservatives, including Kirk, were targeted in the past.
Faculty have spent decades purging conservatives and libertarians from departments, leaving higher education mired in orthodoxy and intolerance. It is the education version of what Sophocles wrote in Antigone: “A city which belongs to just one man is no true city.” In the same way, a university which belongs to only liberal idelogy is no true university.
Are there liberal politicians who are hated by conservatives?
Mostly Hillary.
It is ok to hate people who you think deserve to be hated.
It’s freedom of conscience.
Don’t you have to have a conscience first .
Do you want to rephrase that? As it stands it is profoundly stupid.
No, I don’t want to rephrase that and it’s not stupid. I don’t believe you have a conscience.
I wish I had time to read all 400+ comments here today; still, I skimmed past several that are keen to criticize Charlie Kirk as the one who published a “Professor Watchlist.” I am assuming this is true. But I wonder if it occurred to those commenters:
Why would Woke/leftist persons bother to publish Professor Watchlists???
As repeatedly pointed out by Professor Turley -there are HARDLY ANY conservative/libertarian/Republican professors even REMAINING at our colleges, and particularly, public universities. They’ve been weeded out.
And in some cases pointed out by the professor, there are sometimes NONE remaining. Who needs Watchlists?
In non-academic settings where conservatives/Republicans may hold a majority, they suffer extreme DOXXING. Remember the Watchlist/doxxing of SCOTUS justices, resulting in people gathered outside of Justice Kavanaugh’s private residence and hurling threats at him? How many times have persons–in addition to media–tried to destroy Elon Musk? Slandering him on widespread Internet sites? setting Tesla vehicle dealerships on fire? Dumping his stock? Sure, Budweiser was boycotted, but did any right-wing radical set Budweiser on fire or try to assassinate its CEO?
(I also want to add that Pennsylvania Democrat Gov. Josh Shapiro’s residence was NOT fire-bombed by some radical right-wing terrorist (as some Whataboutists have tried to include him as a Democrat victim). THE OPPOSITE is true. The perpetrator was a pro-Palestine extremist who acted against Shapiro’s Judaism, -NOT political affiliation/party.)
Thanks for reading this if you did.
Budd lite is a good example.
Watchlists like this exist on both sides of the political aisle. And in my view, both are wrong for multiple reasons. First it chills speech, if a professor is the subject of harassment. But more importantly, it encourages students to only take classes with those who align politically. As a young conservative at Harvard, I was outnumbered, but I viewed that as a challenge, not a fight, from which I would run away. I went to law school because I liked that challenge.
I have no problem with any rating system that is disconnected from the government and whose inputs are the consumers of whatever is being rated.
That said all that are disconnected from government are exccercising first amendment rights.
There is no such thing – or atleast the concept has no weight of Speech that chills the speech of others. speech is only chilled in a way that we shoudl care about by the use of FORCE – which usually means govenrment.
Kirks’ moto was “Prove Me Wrong” – debating him and losing absolutely “chills speech” – and that is how it is supposed to be.
If you lose a debate your supposed to think about why you lost. Were your arguments bad ? Was it your debating skill – or was the position you took wrong ?
Until you work out the answer – you should not speak on the issue again – though you are free to.
Debate is the cruicible in which we test our ideas. The dross to be burned away and the pure metal to remain.
That is true at oxford, or harvard, or here or the floor of the senate.
In a perfect world student absolutely should take course from Professors that disagree with them.
But that would require truly intelligent professors who did not down grade students whose views challenged them. And I do not care what the subject is.
We do not have that today. And the watchlist is not so much left wing professors as of professors who do not tolerate disent – and that is absolutely necescary.
Students should not have to lie to get through a class.
I’m looking for books/website resources on violence from the Left for research. Please post books/website resource recommendations.
Good luck—most research grants and think tanks are funded BY the left FOR the left, and much information is outright skewed.
You don’t build/force a new leftist society, without created data to support and justify it’s primacy.
Dianna: Agree, and may I add that (in addition to grants and think tanks) publication of research papers is also affected, particularly in the area of transgenderism.
Take a look at this article (social sciences/not dealing with trans issues). The bibliography is pretty impressive.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/202005/political-biases-in-academia
Thanks, lin. May I quote/excerpt the article in Psychology Today. For those interested, note the date (2020) affirming an already insidious and growing problem:
“Red flags have been raised by serious scholars about political biases undermining the validity and credibility of scientific research on politicized topics for a long time.”
“This would not be a problem but for…the reality that that skew has undercut the validity of conclusions on politicized topics.” It’s worse than undercutting validity; it is actually the basis for establishing social and political POLICIES!
…. There is practically no scholarship and research left (especially in the Humanities) that is not Marxist in tone or paradigm. What does this say about young adherents and our future prospects?
lin – while the quality of research on Transgenderism is complete and total garbage
The problem is EVERYWHERE in science and it is a problem that has been growing slowly for 70 years
Pretty ironic since the DOJ just wiped all studies on ight wing extremism from its website.
Because they are politicized garbage.
I have asked you before to list the incidents of Right wing violent extremism.
While I am not saying they do not exist.
ADL says 73% of all political violence is right wing.
Does that ring true with your real world experience ?
For most of us – not even close.
I can list a half a dozen SIGNIFICANT instances of left wing violence in the past year.
I can not recall ONE of right wing violence.
There probably was one – but there are also instances of left wing violence that I missed or forgot.
And that is ignoring all the rioting and obstruction of law enforcement being done by the left right now.
“ Because they are politicized garbage.”
You “feel” that is the case, but you really don’t know. You’re just assuming for your emotional benefit. The Trump administration is politicizing everything.
“ ADL says 73% of all political violence is right-wing.
Does that ring true with your real world experience ?”
That’s been the case for years. Denial is not proof it’s not true.
The Jan. 6 Capitol riots were politically motivated right-wing extremist violence constituting assaulting and injuring law enforcement resulting in multiple felonies and convictions.
Planned Parenthood arsons. Violence committed by right-wing extremists.
Buffalo Supermarket. A right-wing extremist believing in the great replacement theory killed 11 people and filmed the killing rampage.
Attack on Paul Pelosi. Right-wing extremist David Depape used violence to attack the former speaker’s husband with a hammer severely injuring him and attempting to kidnap the speaker.
Anti-government right-wing extremist Seth Aaron Pendley plotted to destroy Amazon data centers in Virginia, hoping to incite a government crackdown and inspire a rebellion.
There are plenty more. Denial and willful ignorance are not evidence.
X-quote: You “feel” that is the case, but you really don’t know. You’re just assuming for your emotional benefit. – NOT SO. –
Having spent many years in academia, having attended many classes and symposiums, having attended many DEI Conferences, having stood in the bookshelves and researched the latest books and journals on psycho/social (political) scholarship, ALL with Marxist BENT, I can tell you, oh emotional-one, that your assessment is totally WRONG.
In addition, ADL, and their SKEWED “research” is for the full benefit of leftism, and is not an objective or reliable source. They are a full-on leftist organization that buys legitimacy with the problem of antisemitism—excellent cover for the rest of their POLITICIZED GARBAGE.
Let’s disabuse you of a few more of your sycophantic talking points, as you are a prime example of the successful dissemination of propaganda in the United States, an MSM-puppet. Here are just a few truths:
* Repeat! ADL is an illegitimate source, a leftist organization with a vested interest in DISinformation
* Jan.6 was a set-up, and the rights to free speech, bail and fair trials, were denied in the Biden Administration’s Banana-Republic
* Filthy-rich, Paul Pelosi, scarified a window (fake break-in from the inside) so you could believe/spout the Depape DISinformation with all your heart, choosing to love and defend a rich miscreant over a poor and dumb, street-life, male-hooker.
“The ADL says 73% of all political violence is right-wing. Does that ring true with your real-world experience?”
Absolutely not! The Anti-Defamation League has leaned left even before Jonathan Greenblatt took over.
What’s actually inside that 73% figure? Just 313 deaths over a ten-year period. Does it include the left-wing George Floyd protests, which caused billions in damages and dozens of deaths? No. How about left-wing Antifa riots? Also no.
The labels “right” and “left” in that 73% aren’t based on Republican vs. Democrat either, though some try to use them that way. A killer could hold socialist economic views and still be listed as “right-wing. The ADL simply ignores whether they were socialists or capitalists.
Take one example of someone labeled far-right:
Supports single-payer healthcare
Wants a strong Nordic-style welfare state
Praised Bernie Sanders’ economic agenda
Favors subordinating capitalism to national interests
Opposes unregulated markets
Who is this supposed “ultra right-wing extremist”? Richard Spencer.
Richard Bertrand Spencer is an American neo-Nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and white supremacist. Spencer claimed to have coined the term “alt-right” and was the most prominent advocate of the alt-right movement from its earliest days.
That’s why he is considered right wing. One cannot dilute poison with a little sugar and have it not be poison.
“Supports single-payer healthcare
Wants a strong Nordic-style welfare state
Praised Bernie Sanders’ economic agenda
Favors subordinating capitalism to national interests
Opposes unregulated markets”
Sure. As long as the nation is racially purified of all non-white people.
“Richard B. Spencer, a self-described “white nationalist” who supports the creation of an all-white state and the “peaceful ethnic cleansing” of non-whites from the United States, speaks at a public gathering in 2016. A graduate of the University of Virginia, Spencer led a torch-lit rally on the grounds of the university and in Lee Park (later Market Street Park) in Charlottesville on August 11-12, 2017, to protest the possible removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee from the park. This event culminated in the deaths of three people and injuries to scores of others. Spencer, along with over a dozen other organizers of the “Unite the Right” protest, were convicted under Virginia law of conspiring to commit acts of violence. In a November 2021 court ruling, the organizers of the protest and the organizations they were part of were ordered to pay more than $25 million in damages.” https://encyclopediavirginia.org/12901-7510be1863ff9bf/
“That’s why he is considered right wing.”
Thank you for confirming that the use of ‘right wing’ in “political violence is right-wing.” has nothing to do with whether a person is on the right or left of the political spectrum and that the person can be a Democrat or Republican.
But reality has a way of biting those who fudge data in the ass.
Biden was claiming his economy was great and Agencies produced data to support those claims – where possible.
But people did not FEEL the economy was great. In their own lives and that of their freinds and families it felt pretty crappy.
SOMETIMES BRIEFLY peoples “feelings” about things and real data are out of whack. But NEVER for long. While you can not manipulate the economy for very long by manipulating peoples feelings. Peoples feelings and the economy are actually inextricably linked.
When people feel the economy is good – it probably is.
When they feel it is bad – it probably is – cooking the books does not change reality.
And we recently learned that Biden’s jobs data was cooked by almost 2M jobs in two years.
We have seen the same thing on Crime. FBI crime states when down during the Biden admin.
But police departments reporting crime data to the FBI went way down because reporting that data is voluntary and the Biden admin increased the data they wanted and many police departments just said F#$K it.
FBI Tried to adjust – but in the end the FBI Crime data and the NCVS – National Crime Victims Survey spent 4 years headed in opposite directions.
DC claims the crime rate went down in 2024. Chicago claims it went down.
DC residents – not republicans for sure call BS as do chicago residents.
Nor are data problems limited to left right politics. Throughout science – pretty much since the inception of publish or perish, and Peer REview rathery than reproducability. the quality of scientific papers has significantly dropped.
A group loosely affiliated with princeton I beleive has been conducting a project to verify papers.
To see it the results can be reproduced. Approx 1/3 of all papers they have tested do not verify – efforts to verify produce NO correlation. Approx 1/3 produce results that are consistent with the conculsions of the paper – but are not statistically significant. This pretty much always means – you are in the ball park but you have not found the correct independent variable.
Only 1/3 of all papers have verified with statistical significance.
In the field of psychology FAMOUS studies that are 70+ years old – ones many of us were taught as fact in High School have been found to be unreproduceable.
This is not a left right thing – though academia is dominated by the left.
In several domains science has been following a failed tangent for Decades.
Academia and science have to be dominated by the left. The left has a natural repulsion from the status quo while the right believes in “as it is written”. There is no fundamental curiosity on the right; they do as they are told, believe what they are told, and produce what they are told to produce. This is why the military and law enforcement are dominated by the right, while genuine investigation into the way the universe works is dominated by the left.
Yes, science is difficult and most science endeavors fail. Some, like the attempt to detect the aether through which light propagates, a famous and total failure, give rise to new investigation. What you complain so bitterly about isn’t a failure of science, it’s a demand that all science produce entirely novel results, leading to an oversupply of weak results. This drive is from capitalist demands that every expenditure produce immediate positive outcomes; failure to produce those causes an immediate withdrawal of funding.
Which is sad as that is a recent change. Bell Labs created many things among the many failures. Edison famously failed hundreds of times to get a filament that worked; he even bragged about it. Corning had one. Xerox had one. AFAIK they are mostly gone – victims of raw capitalism.
If all one wants is an indoctrination camp, go to Liberty U.
That is a reason that right leaning educational institutions are few and far between, not because the left magically intervenes. It’s also not the case that students in higher education become liberal. They always were. Some were hiding that from conservative parents so it may surprise them to see their children properly.
If Charlie Kirk could provoke students at liberal colleges, then is it only fair
that liberals can provoke students at conservative colleges, such as New College in Florida?
Liberals are very welcome to set up tents, express their views, and invite others to “prove them wrong” on any campus, liberal or conservative. They will not get murdered for doing so. Conservatives value that type of open exchange of ideas. Liberals – not so much.
That’s absolutely not true. Methinks you’ve never been to a religious school.
https://www.thefire.org/colleges/pepperdine-university/student-handbook-housing-and-residence-life-code-conduct-policies
Here’s an example … Pepperdine. Religious piety is prioritized over free speeches and expression
I followed that link, and here is the content:
Because we deeply value each and every member of our diverse community as a child of God made in his image, Pepperdine sets exceptionally high standards for students living on campus. These standards are designed to promote respect and honor for all students in their social, cultural, and intellectual pursuits. Conduct that violates the rights of others or is contrary to the University’s mission may be grounds for immediate termination of occupancy in University housing and/or the withdrawal of future University housing privileges. … Displaying pornography, alcohol containers, or drug-related paraphernalia in University housing, including the posting of signs or promotional material involving pornography, alcohol, or drugs/drug-related paraphernalia, is prohibited.
What’s your point? That Pepperdine values its diverse community, and that pornography and drug paraphernalia are prohibited? And that’s bad because . . . ?
The prohibition is limited to college provided student housing.
You think there is something wrong with a college precluding pornography, drugs, and alcohol from student housing ?
Regardless, this restriction does NOT prohibit students in off campus housing from stashing all the drugs alcohol and porn they want.
Nor does it prohibit student groups from inviting Hustler Magazine to campus to debate the merits of Porn.
Let’s keep this simple. Pepperdine is a Christian private university, and no statement of faith is required.
I moved my kids from public school to an Episcopalian school because of its academic standards. The headmaster, aware we’re Jern. I appreciated the consideration and said they could completely participate. I expect the same courtesy would be extended to atheists. Religion isn’t the problem; serious Jewish and Christian traditions have shaped the best of this country.
“If Charlie Kirk could provoke students at liberal colleges, then is it only fair”
Does being invited to step up and engage in rational debate provoke you, little furry? Provoke you enough to murder anyone who invites you to engage in rational debate in the public square?
I don’t think you little furries know what that word “provoke” means.
The correct word is debate.
New College in FL is not conservative – it is just less woke than it was a decade ago.
Regardless, those on the left are as free as Turing Point to come to campus.
Are the typos intentional? There are so many in each reply it cannot be by accident. I would think a true conservative would check their work.
Watching the videos that were not curated by Kirk, it’s apparent that his debate style was to take from stand-up comedy the idea of crowd work, finding those themes that audience members seemed to resonate with, as opposed to offering a reasoned and factual argument. This is a key element in recruiting a cult and grooming children.
One sees in the other full recordings that he quivers into Gish Gallop, turns to what-aboutisms, shifts from facts to personal belief for support when his initial argument is undermined. In his campus interactions, he simply cuts off the students to move to the next when the major cracks in his major arguments fail, often berating them at the end.
Anyway, funny typo. Alan Turing was given the option of having his testicles chemically suppressed after having given the Allies a critical edge in the defeat of Hitler and the German army. That is what the conservatives do. He chose that option over imprisonment and the side effects led him to suicide. A conservative win.
And the Sanhedrin committed Jesus to the ages.
The Charlie Kirk effect is beautiful to behold
The kids are waking up to Charlie:
https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1968403553690513880
The Charlie Kirk effect on people who never knew him is incalculable. Here’s a particularly beautiful video:
https://x.com/4thOfJuly365/status/1967394810064670854
Oldman
And this is why the left/libs hate him…
What a shame
The paid commie trolls seem particularly numerous today, working overtime for pay from their Media Matters masters, no doubt. But why today, and in fact, in the last few days?
That’s really not hard to figure out. The Dems own the execution of Charlie Kirk to shut down free speech. They have been using hyperbole for ten years now, calling conservatives fascist, Hitler, and a threat to Democracy. They own this, and they are embarrassed by it, hence the desperate attempt to distract or deflect.
The Left is now flailing about trying to cast Kirk as a dangerous extremist (the exact opposite of what he was), or pretending this is a problem equally shared by “both sides.” Newsflash: that ain’t gonna fly anymore. The truth comes out and cannot be denied. There is no assassination culture on the right. It is the Left that celebrates the murder of a health care CEO. It is the left that assassinates conservative political activists. It is the left that cheers on assassinations, tries to assassinate the presidential nominee of the opposing party, cheers that on, and then tries to cleanse ballots to thwart the people from voting for the nominee of their choice. In short, it is the Left that really is the threat to democracy in these very tangible ways.
OldManFromKS,
Great comment and spot on. They are desperate to deflect from all the rage rhetoric they have been, as you aptly point out, spewing for 10 years. Our leftist friends are truly the threat.
We have freedom of speech in the US. This does NOT mean people won’t think you are an indiot. This does NOT mean people won’t consider your speech to be so offensive, or psychopathic, as to want to segregate themselves or their business.
What is interesting is these people felt completely free to say the most terrible things and act in the most offensive manner. A human life was taken over disagreement without even attempting to take the offer of debate. This has been praised and I wonder if most of these people even have a reson why.
What is interesting is these people felt completely free to say the most terrible things and act in the most offensive manner.
I think the reason is that we now live in a nation of entitled brats who have yet to learn about the natural consequences of bad behavior. They are now being mugged by reality. People can be shielded from the real-world effects of their conduct for a while, but not forever. If they had had a better upbringing, they might be more mature. I think they all lacked discipline being imposed at home, so they carry their bratty ways into the wider world and learn the hard way. Here’s a WaPo employee who just learned the hard way:
https://x.com/lamps_apple/status/1967768001651814810
Kirk was a rising political movement aligned with the right and unafraid to challenge the left. Kirk was young and had 50 years ahead of him.
The left thinks the right will die out consisting of gramps and gramma. Suddenly Kirk was true opposition and entering their citadels.
Political assassination
Well said, Rabble.
^^^. Interesting, a little, that those cited in the article don’t mention the Kirk killer. They might have mourned the tragedy of the killer having 50 years of prison ahead of him. That, too, is a tragedy.
I imagine it is indeed a tragedy to his parents, who raised him. They seem to have raised him in a decent manner, but he got indoctrinated into leftism somewhere along the line. That, too, is a tragedy. The indoctrinators will not escape punishment in the final settling of accounts that will surely take place.
This reminds me of when several Amish girls were murdered in Pennsylvania some years ago. The parents of the victims approached the parents of the perpetrator, offering condolences and sympathy because they realized those parents were heartbroken that their son had committed so heinous a crime, and would spend the rest of his life in prison.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article105397766.html
I was referencing the propaganda, organized machine that took the life of Kirk and his killer. I would not be so foolish as to not see the snake and its lack of remorse. It must be stopped. It’s similar to Hamas in its structure. That may lead to its origin.
Hamas is a group of terrorists but in reality a trained group of serial killers. Mangione and Kirk’s Killer may be two more of such.
It is, One of his own making.
Robinson has also destroyed his family – they will never be the same.
They will spend decades wondering how they might be responsible for their sons actions, what they could have done differnetly.
They will likely be shunned by former friends.
A few minutes of bad choices by their son has ruined myriads of lives.
Robinson’s boyfriend is likely to have to change his name, or he too will drag this with him for the rest of his life.
Who wants to be the guy someone else committed an assassination for ?
Arthur
Freedom of Speech comes with the Freedom to be Stupid.
Jonathan Turley,
Last year, you attacked NewsGuard for silencing your speech with its rating system. Yet, you praise Charlie Kirk for supporting free speech, despite his organization’s Professor Watchlist, which does exactly the same thing as NewsGuard for professors.
https://jonathanturley.org/2024/07/29/the-most-chilling-words-today-im-from-newsguard-and-i-am-here-to-rate-you/
How can you attack NewsGuard as chilling speech but support Kirk/TPUSA as protecting speech?
These opinions are entirely contradictory, unless you only support free speech that advances your own political views. That’s not the case, is it?
Your illogical mental-contortions are grotesque, and the contradictions are your own, vis-a-vis:
* WatchLists exist on both sides, equally, and both seek to promote their own ideologies, thereby making the political terrain transparent
* Kirk/TPSA did not “protect free speech” but practiced it, demonstrating the logical steps of fair debate.
* Chilling speech is NOT dissemination of ideology, it is approving-of and promoting murder and celebration of murder.
Clearly, you went to school to be brainwashed and radicalized, and can’t have one original thought.
“How can you attack NewsGuard as chilling speech but support Kirk/TPUSA as protecting speech?”
Your Whataboutism/Moral Equivalency is to claim there is absolutely nothing different between what Newsguard was doing deceptively and what TPUSA was doing?
You keep running with that wildly contradictory BS, cupcake. Surely that will be successful in advancing your own political views in the upcoming midterms! That’s certainly the case, isn’t it?
Kirks rating system allows students to rate their professors.
NewsGuard is left wing Journalists rating web sites.
There are actually good ratings systems for web sites – Newsguard is not one of those.
NewsGuard is also attempting to get itself connected to governments such as the UK.
That is extremely problematic.
One of the confusions of the left regarding Free Speech is that free private individuals on a level playingfield criticizing each other and choosing who they associate with and to trust is exactly how free speech is supposed to work.
But introduce Government and that transforms everything.
The problem with Twitter and Social Media – aside from that the SM system of censorship was flawed and incredibbly costly and biased, is that it also was entangled with govenrment, and that Twitter built itself on the promise of free speech – which became false advertising.
The post 9/11 legal changes – the patriot act the DMCA, .. all were and unfortunately remain unconstitutional. But S302 of the DMCA provides a safe harbor for Social Media companies that is not extended to the rest of the media. This distorts the market in biased and bad ways.
But this got all the worse as Government started telling SM companies what to censor – and when it became obvious that was problematic, the govenrnent then funding NGOs who then told SM what to censor.
Newguards problem is that it dovetails perfectly with that government censorship and.or censorship by alleged experts.
The Censors at Newsguard have no “skin in the game”.
The people who are firing employees for their attacks on Kirk are fully subject to marketplace discipline – they have skin in the game.
While Kirks rate your professor system is more like Yelp or Glassdoor.
“These opinions are entirely contradictory . . .”
Only to those who cannot separate two, rather simple convictions:
1) *Publicizing* a person’s ideas and speech
2) Punishing and silencing a person for those ideas and speech
JT clearly supports 1).
And rejects 2):
“I have opposed calls for firing academics making hateful comments outside of their official duties or accounts.” (JT)
ATS Kirks watchlist is NOT exactly the same thing.
While I part company with Turley on the applicability of the first amendment to TRULY private actors
Newsguard is typical of left wing nuts – a Kabal of left wing “experts” decides who is rated how.
Kirks watchlist – like Yelp and Glassdoor has rating by students who took classes from those professors.
We did not have anything formal like that in the 70’s – but absolutely you could consult fellow students and find out how different professors taught,
I just heard CNN Matt Gutman say that the correspondence between the deranged shooter and his trans lover were “very touching”. I wonder what he thinks of letters between Eva Braun and Adolf Hitler? Good God will these people ever stop the insanity?
Here’s a great meme about that:
https://x.com/ChrisAn41996507/status/1968073761166594299
“Here we see two lovebirds on a stroll with their dogs. What a touching scene of love.” Matt Gutman if he was a reporter in the 1940’s.
(Photo of Hitler with Eva Braun)
They’re hoping it’ll make you crazy. His romantic relationship is irrelevant.
Hey maybe growing up in an all white community where guns are revered as much as god, this guy realized the hate that is inherent in the political right and was sickened by it. Doesn’t make what he did right. But it sure makes sense.
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shill harder, I’m sure your CCP overlords won’t mind you learning about 1989 Tiananmen Square
The 2nd Amendment was ratified by the Founders to throw off such government as the anti-American, unconstitutional rendition you communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs) have conjured.
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“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
– Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776
WRONG… You sick puppy
You mean all American community.
Take a look at the header.
All kinds of things make sense to left wing nuts that do not make sense in the real world.
Where is the Pee Tape ?
Oh darn it. There go facts again…
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024
Who are mass murderers? Recent year’s points at white supremists. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good lie.
It is even worse. The DOJ just scrubbed from its website the study that shows this has been the case for years.
Hey, when you can’t be their speech with better speech, just erase it!
You can’t lose if you don’t play.
Of course they did – the Trump administration is working to restore integrity to government data.
We were told during the Biden Administration that violent crime was going down Nation wide.
Turns out that was because the Biden administration made voluntary reporting requirements harder and so fewer and fewer police departments filed reports they were no obligated to.
But a separate government crime study – the Nations Crime Victims survey – which normally tracked the FBI data, was showing crime Rising through the Biden administration,
as did the surveys of media clipping services.
Maybe the Trump administration should include the killings committed by violent illegal aliens as political extremism – after all they are the result of bad left wing policies – or they should include the increased fentanyl deaths. That makes more sens than ADL calling White prison Drug gangs examples of political extremist violence.
Studies that produce the results you want are not the same as studies that tell us what is really going on.
If you are going to include as violent extremists what are esentially whit Drug gangs no different from TdA and MS13 – then you must also include all other violent drug gangs – and if you do – your so called right wing extremism disappears.
It is also really weird that select drug gangs whose supposed violent political extremism is killing the police officers that are arresting them are by the left included in the same category as those who shoot up the GOP baseball team.
ADL says there were 13 White Supremecist political extremist murders in 2024.
Without googling – can you name ONE ?
There were two assassination attempts on Trump in the past year, The Kirk Assassination,
The recent murders of catholic school kids in Church. The jesuit HS shooting the day before.
Those are off the top of my head.
ADL: you cannot trust a website that will report on Stew Peters , “in the New right Now” but no other leftist online-communities, especially NOW.
Seems ADL has a blind spot when it comes to objective, fair and honest reporting of ALL extremism…. Most antifa reportage on this site mildly treats antifa as a “loose, decentralized, leaderless movement,” i.e., harmless, much the same way as the Biden Administration and Christopher Wray painted them.
ADL’s research and analysis is crafted and disingenuous, skewed and tainted. There is clearly an AGENDA underneath the shiny (well-funded) chassis.
Affirmative Action Project Here
I’ll pipe in here. The ADL skews left. Many say the drift left started in 2015 under Greenblatt, but this drift started long before.
You should Try to Read what ADL has written – the core problem with this report is that ADL includes killings by White prison gangs as if they are political violence.
But they do not include Hispanic prison gang murders and Black prison gang murders.
Essentially ADL has polluted their list by reclassifying as political ONLY the criminal activity of White Prison gangs.
And these make up all or nearly all of ADL’s so called right wing political extremism.
Please explain to me why the Crips and the Bloods, or TdA or MS-13 are NOT classified as Political extremist violence, but “The Outlaws” and “The Banditos” are ?
Even ADL is forced to admit that the overwhelming majority of the supposedly White Supremists murders are Members of criminal gangs killing police officers while fleeing, or killing informants or competing drug gang members.
This kind of nonsense is Why no one beleives you.
This is very little different from the nonsense of the SPL – which itself turned out to be horribly corrupt, stealing donor money and engaging in internal racism.
At one point SPL may have performed an admirable function.
But ultimately the KKK is everything but extinct today and When your enemy is defeated your reason to exist – and to raise money from donors goes away – so SPL expanded its definitions and the next thing you no Christian fundimentalists who had ZERO ties to any violence started exploding on their list of extremist groups. And we are Not talking about groups like WestBorro Baptist church which while not truly violent DOES engaging in essentially civil disobedience.
ADL is an exaple of another organization that once performed a critically important function, and has been taken over by the left and is no longer useful or trustworthy.
Many Years ago I was Proud to be a card carrying member of the ACLU.
Today the organization is useless and corrupt.
The stats break into the same ratio for every group except Latin. They’re under represented as mass murderers. Your comment is false.
Professor Turley,
“Charlie spent his life opposing cancel campaigns and censorship.”
You literally mention the Professor Watchlist above. That is a cancel campaign, used to silence speech and academic freedom through intimidation and online harasssment.
The American Association of University Professors tracked 50 cases of targeted harassment in just 2 years between 2016 and 2018.
https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/files/Mariah/academic-freedom-trump.pdf
The Left has any number of “watch” organizations or websites – for example, Theocracy Watch, which tracks what they view as efforts to impose theocratic rule.
The idea of a “watch” of perceived bad developments is very common and has nothing to do with cancel culture. If professors on the Left are using outrageous tactics to impose orthodoxy and shut-down free speech in the classroom, it is totally appropriate that other people should know the facts. You seem to want to suppress the free speech and dissemination of factual information, but only by conservatives.
Not according to Jonathan Turley:
https://jonathanturley.org/2024/07/29/the-most-chilling-words-today-im-from-newsguard-and-i-am-here-to-rate-you/
“The rating of sites is arguably the most effective way of silencing or marginalizing opposing views.”
The Professor Watchlist is the same thing as NewsGuard, rating Jonathan Turley, with – if Turley is correct – limited information, in an attempt to silence his speech.
As Turley noted with NewsGuard, “They have commoditized free speech in blacklisting and potentially silencing others. If you are the Standard & Poor’s of political discourse, you can rate sites out of existence by making them a type of junk bond blog.”
This is what Kirk did with the Professor Watchlist.
Do you disagree with Turley?
Do you disagree with Turley?
No, I would never disagree with Turley. Whatever he says, I take as the gospel truth, because I am a slave to whatever Professor Turley thinks. I don’t care about truth, why should I when I can take my mindless marching orders from Professor Turley. Who cares about facts? We have Turley to tell us what to think.
/sarc
That is how leftists think, or better, fail to think. That is why such an idiot would ask such an idiotic question. The Left is a cult, they do not think for themselves, so of course they think conservatives do not think for themselves. They are so pathetic. They have heard from their slave masters that they must slander Charlie Kirk, so lacking a functioning brain, that is what they do. Hahahahaha!
You failed to answer the question?
Does the doxxing of those with opposing views chill speech? Pretty straightforward question. Turley is inconsistent as noted above. He supports doxxing when he is not the target
ATS – the professor Watchlist is akin to Glassdoor or Yelp.
Newsguard is NOT – it is more akin to the NGO’s the Bden and Obama administration paid to serve as a cutout for censoring social media.
There are plenty of ratings sites that do what Newsguard claims to do – but in the same was as the Professor Watchlist or Yelp or Glassdoor that are not a problem.
The idea of rating is not a problem. Until is turns into rating by elites rather than the actual consumers.
“The American Association of University Professors tracked 50 cases of targeted harassment in just 2 years between 2016 and 2018.”
Never heard of them. Given your familiarity with them, how many cases of targeted harassment by their fellow professors of conservative students did track? Given they heavily outnumber students, was it at least 50?
You’re crying it’s “cancel culture” when tenured professors are overwhelmingly protected n their positions to say and claim what they believe – but student reviews of their anti-Semitism, of being punished as a student for disagreeing with a professor’s Marxist views and ideology, is “cancel culture”?
No logic there.
Knowing the biases of your professors is not cancelling or harrassment.
Who knows maybe some people WANT a politically left wing professor who grades based on ideology.
AGain – can you/AAUP define your terms ?
No one cares what people who think everything is racist identify as harrassment.
No one cares what people who think that The outlaws biker gang is right wing extremism, but TdA and MS-13 are just ordinary criminals.
no one cares what people who think newsguard is the same as yelp thing.
“You literally mention the Professor Watchlist above. That is a cancel campaign . . .”
Care to explain the difference between Professor Watchlist (PW) and Rate My Professors (which has existed for some 25 years)? Or between PW and students on campus talking to each other about their professors?
“The American Association of University Professors [AAUP] . . .”
As with many such professional societies, AAUP is a Leftist propaganda vehicle.
“I have opposed calls for firing academics making hateful comments outside of their official duties or accounts. Charlie spent his life opposing cancel campaigns and censorship.”
Professor, as a Consitutional expert, can you please point to the passage in it that says academia is not only protected from the consequences of their own words and actions, they are addionally guaranteed lifetime employment, no matter what, at those institutions of alleged “higher learning”? I’ll double-check myself, but I don’t think the 1st gurantees employment for anyone.
Selected headlines for today:
– Media says motives unclear of killer who wrote manifesto entitled, ‘Here are My Motives’
– WaPo journalist winds Pulitzer prize for “best fabricated quote”
– Embarrassed Democrats demand ban on security cameras on public transit
– Democrats warn surveillance videos perpetuate stereotypes by accurately depicting events
– Dearborn changes name to “Dearborn Islamic Caliphate of Michigan’
– New York Times issues minor clarification that Charlie Kirk said ‘Hitler was bad’ rather than ‘Hitler was good’
– Satan blowin’ up as top influencer on Bluesky
– Democrats confused after seeing conservative hold weird Molotov cocktail that never explodes [photo of candle]
– Cancel culture: Leftists fired simply for having a different opinion on whether conservatives should be murdered
– FBI debates whether they should investigate ‘Trans Terrorist Murder Planning Committee’ Discord channel
Should there be emotion police?
^ Sea lioning troll ^
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Yes, for those that want to rule purely through Emotion.
Emotional abuse is a crime. It’s a form of battering. It cause psychological damage as real as a black eye or a bullet to the neck.
It needs to be recognized and stopped. Media should be charged. It is in fact emotional abuse. It’s being used by a dark entity.
Ted Kozinsky did not enter Harvard at age 16 as the Unibomber. Charlie Kirk was taking a pick ax to political correctness in an effort to set speech free. It’s a stake to the heart of that vampire.
* causes
Should we have a right to express how we feel about anyone?
^ Sea-lioning troll. Ignore. ^
Kirk was a vile racist, bigot, and white nationalist. He deserves zero memorials.
^ Chinese Communist troll. Trying to divide America to make it weaker. Ignore. ^
May you spill red wine on your new white blouse.
Please cite the Constitution where opinions and perspectives are prohibited.
What does one use to formulate his free speech, your ideations and positions?
Doesn’t freedom of speech imply freedom of thought?
Not when it’s organized crime. The crime is emotional abuse . When did your conversion happen? Do you recall? When did you swear allegiance to harm? Can you recall? It’s very dark.
Oh, and they’re all illegal aliens…just ask the Founders.
Sick disgusting people. And any Anon defending them or blaming Trump is also sick and disgusting. Get some help.
Does this make you feel superior to them?
No, just sane.
Would you like to shoot them for being so sick and disgusting?
No, 2-3000 years was enough time for me and my ancestors to grasp fundamental no murder laws. That and my instincts don’t direct me all of the time.
Nope, shooting people is a leftist thing. The right prefers reasoned, inclusive debate, as exemplified by Charlie Kirk.