Below is my column in the Hill on the rise of rage politics. There was barely a respite from the rage rhetoric after the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the sniper attack on the ICE facility. Gov. Gavin Newsom is back this week to calling his opponents “fascists” while other Democratic politicians are back to calling ICE “fascists.”
Here is the column:
“Let your rage fuel you.” Those words from Virginia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Abigail Spanberger captured what I have called “rage politics” in America.
Across the country, politicians and pundits are fueling rage, encouraging voters to embrace it. If you turn on the television, you would think that Darth Sidious had taken over: “Give in to your anger. With each passing moment, you grow stronger.”
I do not think for a second that Spanberger supports violence. She was sharing with voters the “sage advice” of her mother, which she said she has applied in her political career. However, the anger is all around us.
Recently, I debated Harvard Law Professor Michael Klarman, who declared, “I am very angry” and “I am enraged.” In denouncing ICE as “thugs” and saying Trump supporters are “fascists,” Klarman explained that the rage had a purpose: “to shake people out of their insomnia.”
Rage, however, comes at a cost in politics. I recently wrote a book about rage and free speech, “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” It discusses our history of rage politics and how it has led to violence and crackdowns. Rage gives people a license to say and do things that they would not otherwise say or do. It is addictive, it is contagious, and it is dangerous.
We are seeing the result of rage rhetoric all around us. That includes the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the sniper attack on ICE agents in Texas this week, in addition to violent protests around the country.
Rage allows you to deny the humanity of those you disagree with. Recently, two sisters were caught on video destroying a memorial to Kirk. Kerri and Kaylee Rollo were later arrested. However, they immediately opened a GoFundMe site to call for donations for “fighting fascism” and Kaylee wrote “my sibling was fired from their job.” Hundreds of donors gave the sisters thousands of dollars as a reward for the latest such attack on a Kirk memorial.
For many months, some of us have warned that violent rhetoric was crossing over into political violence. Democratic politicians have spent months ratcheting up the rhetoric against ICE agents, who have suffered more than a 1,000 percent increase in attacks, including the recent sniper attack.
Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), the day before that attack, signed a law that purports to bar ICE agents from wearing masks in California. He openly mocked them, asking, “What are you afraid of?“
Joshua Jahn answered that question the following day in Texas when he fired at ICE personnel, only to shoot three of their detainees.
Previously, Newsom had warned voters that Trump was building ICE into a personal army that might be used to suppress voting in the upcoming midterm elections. “Do you think ICE is not going to show up around voting and polling booths to chill participation?” he said.
Others added to the rage rhetoric by declaring the impending death of democracy and lashing out at ICE. Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas), who has used violent rhetoric in the past, declared that ICE agents were acting like “slave patrols” in hunting down immigrants in the streets.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) used a commencement address to denounce “Donald Trump’s modern-day Gestapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They’re in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons… just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans, and disappeared.”
Others, like Boston Mayor Michele Wu, echoed the claims that ICE personnel are “Nazis” and called ICE Trump’s “secret police.”
The rage rhetoric (and claims of a fascist takeover) has been adopted by a wide range of Democratic politicians, often using the same catchphrases of an “authoritarian playbook.” In our debate, Professor Klarman warned that this was all “authoritarianism rooted in old-fashioned white supremacy.”
As discussed in my book, politicians and pundits have long sought to ride the wave of rage into power or influence. Rage is a powerful narcotic. The problem is when it becomes an addiction. There is always a certain percentage of the population that will believe such hyperbolic claims.
Those are the people who end up trying to kill jurists like Justice Brett Kavanaugh or politicians like Trump. It was also seen in the assassination of Democratic politicians earlier this year in Minnesota.
With the recent assassination and attacks on ICE, some are expressing regret. One of the most telling was Hillary Clinton on MSNBC, who said that we should “stop demonizing each other” while blaming “the right” for most of the hate. It was a curious call from a woman who called Trump supporters “deplorables” and suggested that they should collectively be forced into “deprogramming” as a cult. Just before the interview, Clinton had embraced the “fascism” mantra and, during the interview, she went right back to attacking Republicans.
A new poll shows that 71 percent view political violence as a serious problem, but the rage rhetoric continues unabated.
The perfunctory calls for lowering the temperature after the latest shooting are unlikely to last. Key figures in public life keep injecting rage directly into the veins of American politics. It is hard to go “cold turkey” in breaking that addiction, but you first have to want to do so. There is no indication that our rage-addicts are anywhere near a step-program for recovery. If history is any measure, this fever will only break when voters clearly reject the politics of rage.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. He is the author of the bestselling book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.”
In other news, it appears the bare chested tattooed Shaman “Jacob Chansley” with the Horns who paraded inside the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, is our “rightful president”. He does have the horns to prove something, though it’s not clear what. Given JT’s sacred dogma of the First Amendment, we should at least hear him out. He may have something to say that will be entertaining, comic relief and perhaps not completely batsh*t crazy
QAnon Shaman says he’s rightful president, sues Trump for $40 trillion
In a rambling, 26-page complaint that consists of a single paragraph and reads like a manifesto, Chansley alleges that his First, Fourth and Second Amendment rights have been violated by a host of parties that are loosely related at best. Named as defendants are Trump, the Federal Reserve, the National Security Agency, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the Bank of International Settlements, the state of Israel, Elon Musk’s X Corp., T-Mobile, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and Warner Bros. Studios.
Chansley, who is representing himself, filed the suit Monday in Maricopa County Superior Court.
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/phoenix-qanon-shaman-files-40-trillion-lawsuit-against-trump-22763479/
When they say the Right is full of crazies, they fail to mention that at least they’re stylish!
What the hell is there to discuss? We have the indispensable right to think, feel, emote, express, write, and speak about whatever we want in whatever medium, and this is what people are doing. So what?
You might as well discuss whether Kevin Bacon should be allowed to dance or not.
Is someone coercing you to read Professor Turley’s articles or comment on them? If you think there’s nothing to discuss, then don’t discuss anything. Pretty simple, eh?
Google AI:
I don’t think Kevin should be allowed to dance, at Kevin age 67 (Kevin Norwood Bacon born on July 8, 1958). may injure his knees or dislocate a hip.
Although not as old as one may think due to Hollywood screen makeup artist, his waning bone structure is not strong enough to endure repetitive percussion to the joints like that of a twenty year old. He should also avoid downhill skiing. Calcium supplements would also be healthy addition but to be taken in moderation to avoid bone spurs.
So it is settled then.
I vote that Kevin Bacon should not be allowed to dance.
It is for his own good.
“It’s time to stop talkin’ and start chalkin’!”
– Chick Hearn, Sportscaster
When you have the president shepherds in a fascist government, rage politics is what is needed. I am not going to pretend that MAGAs are anything less than enemies of the US as a free country, no different than Nazis were our enemies.
ANON You are either ignorant or dumb as a brick. Beginning when DT became the candidate in 2015 ALL Dems from Obama on down, CIA, NIA, NSA, DOJ, FBI, et als, begin a coup attempt against DT. This has assiduously remained down until today 09-29-25. DT is now bring retribution, and don’t give a rat’s ass whether you agree or not. Susan Rice said BHO wanted it done by the book, and keep BHO in the loop. The sad part is, these people are not going to trial, DOJ and FBI will not be purged, and the double standards will remain. America is screwed with a very limber one member. The eschatology obituary for the deep state , WOKE, DIE, Sharia Law, reduced standards, eliminating tests, and communism (NY on down) forward will/is turning USA dystopian.
You are sick. You ARE the problem.
You are sick. You ARE the problem
You would be far more convincing if you had not spent my entire lifetime trying to take my freedom and that of every other american.
The only time you care about free speech is when there are the most oblique threasts to yours
Never when YOu and your ilk are taking that of others.
THE DOG THAT DIDN’T BARK.
At almost every political event for the preceding years ANTIFA showed up with violence.
Yet we are supposed to believe that ANTIFA didn’t show on Jan 6.
They are the dog that didn’t bark when it should have been at its loudest and most aggressive.
Our pathetic corporate media didn’t ask. Our then corrupted FBI was incurious.
But I think they were there and with all that that implies about the subsequent events.
THE DOG THAT DIDN’T BARK….protecting Ray Epps….a corrupt J-6 Committee (Hollywood production creating evidence-scenarios)….and subsequent destruction of records. These obvious facts should give any rational person great pause in accepting the well-constructed story.
The J-6 manufactured “rage” was an inside-operation, fueled by 275 FBI-plants and plenty of antifa-thugs in MAGA-drag.
The incurious and useful idiots only know a narrative, fueled by democrats’ corrupt investigations and unjust prosecutions
SO, you’ve got that right, YOUNG, it makes zero-sense that the loudest and most aggressive TDS militia was nowhere around on J-6….they’re the ones who broke the windows—one of their specialties.
“In anonymous assessments submitted after the Jan. 6 attack, rank-and-file employees accused the bureau, under former Directors James Comey and Chris Wray, of being influenced by politics…..The report disclosed for the first time that the FBI had a total of 274 agents deployed to the Capitol after violence erupted. Wray, who preceded Patel as FBI director, declined to tell Congress how many, if any, agents were on the ground at the time, according to Just The News.”
https://ijr.com/fbi-deployed-nearly-300-agents-on-jan-6-as-pawns-in-a-political-war/
Dianna Bec: “The J-6 manufactured “rage” was an inside-operation, fueled by 275 FBI-plants and plenty of antifa-thugs in MAGA-drag.”
Thanks. That’s what I think too.
In some respects ANTIFA is a political arm of the DNC, their Brownshirt thugs.
For slinging Fascist! around so much it appears that the Democrats act like true fascists.
“For slinging Fascist! around so much it appears that the Democrats act like true fascists.”
Young, what do you mean, “act like”? They are!!! 🙂
Thomas Paine raged against the British in Common Sense.
Thomas Jefferson raged against the British in the Declaration of Independence.
There was outrage about the Boston Massacre.
This country was founded on rage.
If you don’t want people to be outraged about something, then
don’t do outrageous things to outrage them.
It is up to the aggrieved party to decide if their emotions
of outrage are justified.
Of course the oppressor will want to talk them out of being outraged.
It is in their self-interest.
Just because you might want to maintain the current order of things, like the British and French monarchies did, doesn’t mean you are in the right, and that it ought to be maintained.
They were Americans.
The parasitic invaders aren’t allowed to rage in America.
Please read the declaration of indepence, It is a long and detailed account of the requirements that must be met before political rage can become political violence.
The decaration SPECIFICALLY states that the established order – whatever it is must be maintained EXCEPT when there have been a long train of abuses of peoples natural rights.
There are times political violence can be justified.
They are rare – because the criteria to justify political violence are steep.
An FBI report on the Jan 6 pipe called a ‘bomb’ has been released.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/fbi-releases-january-6-pipe-bomb-lab-report
I was always suspicious of this and the timeline. Nobody acted as if the bomb might be real. I would clear the area and stay well back until it was verified to be safe.
Also the press releases were bs. They said ‘black powder’ was found. What is that? Ground up charcoal? They could have said ‘black gunpowder’ but pointedly didn’t. They said the device could have been made viable. Big deal. A completely empty pipe could be made viable if you add the right stuff. The people behind this joke did to be found and fired.
AI Overview
Reports have confirmed that then-Vice President-elect Kamala Harris was inside the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters on January 6, 2021, and her motorcade passed within yards of the pipe bomb that was later discovered.
Was it wrong for the Sons of Liberty to engage in violence?
Was it wrong for the Democrats’ street thug stormtroopers in Antifa and Black Liars & Marxists to mount a two day long assault on the White House in an attempt to get inside and murder Trump just before the election? Attempting to murder Secret Service and Capitol Police with Molotov Cocktails and other lethal weapons?
And was it wrong for the same FBI who were capable of hunting down every granny who trespassed on the Senate lawn to take a selfie, deciding to ignore all the attempted murders of their fellow federal officers during the assault on the White House?
Questions, questions…
With the exception of tar and feathering a few tax collectors – the sons of liberty’s violence was throwing Tea into the harbor.
There was a lot of rage at the Capitol building on Janurary 6th:
There was a lot of Democrat rage (encouraged by their fellow Democrats like DEI Harris cheering that rage), when the Democrats’ street thug stormtroopers in Antifa and Black Liars & Murderers mounted a two day long assault on the White House in an attempt to murder President Trump before the election.
But for the denizens of the Democrat Borg, history only begins on what they consider Day One In Modern Time: J6
Meaning their MONTHS of Mostly Peaceful Election Season Rage, Rioting, Pillaging, Looting Burning And Murder in 2020 never actually happened. It’s just a right wing conspiracy theory!
Like the Biden Bribery Laptop that wasn’t Biden’s, Putin had it created to use as election disinformation!
You have a great election strategy going for the upcoming midterm elections! Don’t change a thing!
So lots of evidence that Trump supports violence in self defense is somehow proof of incitement ?
If you are about to throw a tomato at someone – you should have the crap knocked out of you.
In what world is that a problem ?
Only the bizzare left wing nut world where violence is always wrong except when it comes from the left.
“ If you are about to throw a tomato at someone – you should have the crap knocked out of you.”
That’s criminal assault. Knocking the crap out of someone who is about to throw a tomato but hasn’t is assault, not self-defense.
“ In what world is that a problem ?”
In the legal world.
Preemptive self defense is a viable defense.
You’re an idiot AND ignorant, George
*correction to above. I meant to say anticipatory self defense.
Correct – but the threat must be immediate and clear.
Regardless the tomato incident was not anticapatory.
Tomatoes were thrown.
Once you start doing that others CAN justifiably use force against.
That force must be proportionate – that does NOT mean equal.
It just means you can not kill someone for throwing a tomato.
And it must be limited to the duration of the threat of violence to others.
Generally the person engaged in defense of others will get the benefit of the doubt.
“That’s criminal assault. Knocking the crap out of someone who is about to throw a tomato but hasn’t is assault, not self-defense.”
Absolutely False – throwing a tomato at someone absolutely IS criminal assault.
Try it and see if you stay out of jail ?
There is a requirement for self defense and defense of others that your use of force must be proportionate.
That does NOT mean “identical”. You can use MORE force than used by the person initiating violence.
But you can not use deadly force over throwing a tomato – though I would not test that by throwing a tomato at a secret service protectee.
Once again you prove to be a moron.
In my state in the past few years the LEFT WING State Supreme court has found that throwing a bedroom slipper or throwing an egg at someone is not just assault – but assault with a deadly weapon.
Yes, absolutely throwing a tomato at someone is assault.
And absolutely you can get beat up and/or thrown in jail for it.
“In the legal world.”
And once again you demonstrate that you are clueless about the law.
I would note that while I disagree with my State Supreme courts decision.
Throwing a tomato at someone has been assault for a long long long time.
Outside of DC – it will likely result in a criminal conviction for assault.
John Say,
“ If you are about to throw a tomato at someone – you should have the crap knocked out of you.”
Nope. That is still assault.
In your second reply, you changed the scenario. You went from someone about to throw a tomato to someone throwing a tomato. In the legal world, that is a huge difference.
“ There is a requirement for self defense and defense of others that your use of force must be proportionate.
That does NOT mean “identical”. You can use MORE force than used by the person initiating violence.”
Wrong again. “Proportionate” means the same amount of force. It does not mean you can use MORE. That would be “disproportionate” use of force. Beating the crap out of someone for throwing a tomato is still assault. What you are trying to justify is vigilantism. Not self defense or defense of others.
In your second reply, you say throwing a tomato justifies beating the crap out of someone. Nope. That constitutes assault. If you were to pick up another tomato and throw it back, that would be a proportional use of force. In your first scenario, before you changed it, if someone was ABOUT to throw a tomato and you BLOCKED it then that would be a justifiable defensive act. Beating the crap out of someone who is ABOUT to throw a tomato IS criminal assault. The correct response, legal response, is to report it. Do not take matters into your own hands because once you do you are committing assault.
“ Throwing a tomato at someone has been assault for a long long long time.“
Correct. The ACT of throwing a tomato is assault. When you are ABOUT to throw a tomato is NOT assault. Because at that point you have the option of committing or not committing to throw the tomato. It’s not a crime at that point. Only when you commit and throw the tomato does it become assault.
“When you are ABOUT to throw a tomato is NOT assault.”
You’re just making stuff up, again.
The crime there is called “attempted assault.”
I do not care what Trump says. What Pelosi Says, what …. says.
That is free speech.
I care what people DO.
Burning down car dealerships, assassinating CEO’s, assassinating conservatives, multiple attempted assassinations of presidents or presidential candidates, shooting up churches, throwing rocks at law enforcement, looting, burning things down,
These are all ALWAYS wrong – regardless of the motives of those doing them.
Yet NONE of these were done by conservatives.
It is not what people say, it is what they do that they are judged on.
Even christ who knows what is in your hearts, judges you not based on what you say, or feel, or beleive,
But what you do.
Matthew 25:31-46
You are raging against rage. Is expressing oneself passionately about something that one cares deeply about really such a crime?
You’ve said that twice now. It is a non-substantive comment. It doesn’t engage with the topic.
Maybe the topic does not need to be engaged with.
I don’t think topics have needs. They’re just topics. We can engage with them, or waste time by making comments that are so generalized as to be meaningless, such as “I’m in favor of good things,” or “People should be able to express themselves,” when the topic is rage rhetoric its incitement to violence, and the epidemic of violence that is accompanying such rhetoric from leaders.
No one has accused you of a crime.
You stand accused of being an idiot.
Heard about this study on the deprogramming podcast below about normalization of violence, particularly on the left:
“This report points to disturbingly high levels of support for political violence, particularly targeting
President Donald Trump and Elon Musk. Across survey responses, nearly one-third of
respondents—and a significantly higher share of left-leaning respondents—expressed some degree
of rustication for acts of lethal violence.
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Flash Intelligence Brief
Unless political and cultural leadership explicitly confronts and condemns this trend, NCRI assesses
a growing probability of real-world escalation. Given the current economic volatility and institutional
distrust, the online normalization of political violence may increasingly translate into offline action.
Taken together, the findings underscore the erosion of democratic norms and the growing
acceptability of political violence in American discourse, particularly among ideologically extreme
communities online. Continued monitoring and broader measurement efforts are urgently needed.”
https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf
Floyd says: I think there are nutz on all sides of every issue. Agreed.
But we can still ask: which side commits violence to silence political debaters such as Charlie Kirk, political candidates for president such as Trump, politicians at baseball games such as Scalise and other GOP House members, supreme court justices who might rule the wrong way such as Kavanaugh, law enforcement officers carrying out orders of the administration of the opposite party, such as ICE agents in Texas? Is it fair to say “both sides” do all that? No.
We can also still ask: which side has thousands of social media participants gleefully celebrating actual violence carried out by their side against the other side, and telling abhorrent and disgusting slanderous lies about the victim? Is it fair to say “both sides” do that? No.
We can also ask: which side reacts to the death of one of their own by burning down dozens of cities, causing 25 deaths and billions in property damage? Versus, which side, instead of burning down cities, holds a rally at which the spouse of the victim forgives and by setting that example encourages others to forgive? Is it fair to say “both sides” are equal on that topic? No.
So it’s clear that the old “both sides” charade is not going to work, if we are being at all truthful. Even though there are nut cases on all around on every side, without facing the fact that the Left is qualitatively different than the right in terms of actions and reactions, no progress will be made. We have to be accurate in how we describe the situation before we can improve the situation.
Absolutely. The podcast below, is going over this very well – citing the Leftist violence, and how the media is gaslighting people. Countless instances. She says that is now a “feature”, not a “bug” of the Left.
Thanks for that tip, Floyd, I’ll definitely check her out (never heard of her before).
And I didn’t even mention: when leftist speakers go to college campuses, campus security never has a problem on their hands. But when conservative speakers go, it is a major security issue for the campus police, even if it is a federal judge who is not liberal, as we saw at Stanford a few years back, where the DEI dean had to call off the speech even though the judge was right there ready to give it, because “the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze” – whatever that meant, other than there would be a violent riot and campus buildings might burn down if anyone dared say any conservative ideas.
I had never heard of her before today. But she is killing it. She started walking away in 2016 because of the Leftist violence. How much more on point could this be.
Schellenberger says it’s a 5-1 ratio of leftist compared to rightists favoring violence against political opponents.
He also points out yet another phenomenon I forgot to include: the leftist celebration of Luigi Mangione as a folk hero for murdering a health insurance CEO.
If we accept that democrats SELF REPORT supporting violence at a 5:1 ratio,
After all that is democrats in their own words anonymously where they face no judgement.
Then it what world would you not expect that left wing violence would be far higher than that of the right.
Lunatics on the left expect us to beleive idiotic claims that fly in the face of reality
Right on topic! Live podcast, so you will have to back it up.
This is turning out to be a fantastic podcast. She was “woke” for 20 years, and “in the cult”, and started to wake up during 2016 when the Dallas assassin shot five cops, and her side was happy about it. Then, when she saw “her side” chasing down Trump supporters outside of rallies. That was the seed that got planted, and it grew. Instance after instance of violence toward conservative speakers. So far, just excellent.
My new book “The Right to Rage: How Oligarchs Hired Millionaires to Turn the Conservatives into Minions” explains how the 1% of the 1% have been manipulating the easily lead conservatives into believing that their problems all originate with minorities while ignoring that the 1% of the 1% have been manipulating the economy to strip mine the middle class.
After decades to centuries of being held back, beaten down, hung from trees, shoved into lockers and school toilets, dragged behind cars, and their bodies draped onto fences, the various minority victims of these atrocities and the daily grind of frequent encounters with bigots, many minorities had enough.
Is a trans person lashing out at bullies somehow different than any other person lashing out at bullies? The oligarchs want you to believe it. They bankroll the rage, telling the middle and lower class that it’s the new.
The oligarchs want the conservatives to focus rage against the feminazis, the transexuals, the gays and the lesbians, the immigrants, the homeless, the drug addicts to draw attention from the pillaging of pensions, the rate of inflation for food, shelter, fuel, and medical costs. They push the idea that the lives of conservatives would be better if only the left wing democrat radical communists weren’t cutting the genitals off of children and injecting gay juice into the public water supply, none of which is true.
The way to tell it is true is the way the millionaire representatives never have details about what is so radical, often when the policies put forth are aligned with religious teaching and, for those that don’t appear to be so, are cherry picked from among many others that are ignored or were mistranslated relatively recently from what the oldest versions actually contained.
OOPS, you left out the myriad of leftist billionaires (technocracy) that lead the leftist/Marxist democrats and their progeny by the nose.
No, anonymous, all of that is just the middle and lower classes behaviors with lacking intelligence or talents and fueled by themselves to do all those thing to themselves via an inability to use rational analysis of circumstances and events.
These upper class or upper half are people of intelligence and talents and they do not know you exist. You don’t know them, anon, nor will you ever know them. They cut you loose long ago because you were an inane drain on resources.
Enjoy rolling in the mud with the rest of us. Scream and screech and screed your life away. Try to learn not to murder. At least try.
Have a good mudslinger day otherwise. The upper half stopped caring ages and ages, long long ago.
The louder the response, the more correct I know that I am. Keep minioning more. You prove my point.
That book you claim to have wrote will appear just about the time Hunter Biden’s book “How I Became A Democrat Millionaire Without Using My Family Name Or Turning To Crime” is published.
Both will be equally successful in changing peoples’ minds and votes.
Well done!
Living in your fabricated and fictional view of reality must be exhausting ……….. for your therapist.
The Suspect in the Michigan Church Shooting Was a Trump Supporter – and Suddenly Trump, Vance, and Patel Are Silent
What? I’m shocked, another right wing person uses a gun to kill people. How often does this happen?
But hey, a few more dead is just proving good ole Charlie Kirk right. We need these deaths to prove that we need to have more guns because the 2nd amendment says we get to have guns. Or something like that. Guns Good, Right wing Shooters – Good.
But hey, don’t let facts stop you from spreading lies that the left causes more violence.
Trump, Vance, and Patel Are Silent . . .
Liar. He condemned the violence as “horrendous.”
No wonder you post your lies anonymously, cowardly troll.
Which “he” called it horrendous? Trump, Vance, or Patel?
Did he have the flags lowered the way he did for Charlie Kirk?
It’s the comparative difference. Trump won’t come out and demand an end to MAGA violence the way that he accuses the “radical left Democrats.” I bet this guy is called “mentally unstable” and without link to his support of Trump by the conservative mass media.
Jimmy Kimmel, is that you?
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Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ Ratings Tank Just Days After the Late-Night Show Returns to ABC
Jimmy Kimmel may have experienced an explosion in views when his late-night show returned to the air after his suspension, but that number tanked just two days later.
Jimmy Kimmel Live! returned after a five day suspension on September 23 with more than 6 million viewers tuning in, but on September 25, that number only hit 2.3 million – a whopping 64 percent drop, according to a report from Fox News published on Monday, September 29.
Plus, to make matters worse, the show saw a 73 percent drop in the most sought-after demographic of adults aged 25-54. The outlet reported that Kimmel, 57, pulled in 1.7 million viewers in that demographic on the night of his return, but only 465,000 returned 48 hours later.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/articles/jimmy-kimmel-live-ratings-tank-222808590.html
Fvcking idiot.
Do you really think that was a politically motivated murder?
Leftists are too dully to be able to distinguish between politically-motivated assassinations and religiously-motivated violence. They’re not the same phenomenon, but leftists can never be bothered to think logically or factually. They’re in a cult and cultish obedience is all they know.
Silence can be interpreted as this : there are mentally ill goons in every pocket of society; the point is that the left DOES cause MORE VIOLENCE.
“Silence can be interpreted as”
Or it has only been a few hours and we do not have a motive yet.
Hey! That sounds exactly what you assured us of a couple of weeks ago: “Charlie Kirk was murdered by one of his MAGA followers”!
But hey! Just keep thinking you can get away with pretending Kirk didn’t say, in full, that the cost of having a First as well as a Second Amendment comes down to a costs/benefit analysis. And the cost of having those rights is that there will be criminal deaths. A cost that is only a tiny fraction of the benefits Americans get from both the First and Second Amendments.
Including when your Democrat Furry Tranny from the Democrats’ Alphabet Sex Pride Tribe murders Kirk with a rifle because Democrats spent over four years using their First Amendment rights to assure him that Kirk was a threat to him and his Democrat Furry Tranny lover.
This brilliant election communications strategy of yours will surely convince normal Americans to vote for Democrats in the upcoming midterm elections!
Dude, The Shooter was from Michigan and probably a Euchre player. That’s all you gotta say.
We’ll It’s sure as hell wasn’t like he played Bridge, is it.
Maybe Bar Dice (Boc) and a Schlitz beer Drinker don’t ya know.
Charlie was a standout as he was grooming a generation for conservative group-think and fealty to the cause of the billionaires. He was digging the trenches to fight in; dirty work that the older conservatives cannot do.
“The Suspect in the Michigan Church Shooting Was a Trump Supporter”
Because you say so ?
The local police say they do not have any idea what the motive was yet.
This was a former marine.
We also know that he had several run ins with the law while drunk about 10 years ago.
Purportedly Patel has indicated this guy had an axe to grind with the LDS church.
But as of yet I have NOT heard that from any local, state or federal law enforcement, just leaks on the news.
So what is your evidence this is political in ANYWAY ?
Are all marines on the right ?
I know that it seems that only those on the right are patriotic, but I am pretty sure that Turley is patriotic.
Is everyone who drives a Truck a Trump supporter ? I thought that Toyota Tundra’s were very popular among butch lesbians.
Anything is possible at this point. But at this moment no one who would have actual evidence has indicated a political motive for this.
My GUESS – again just another educated guess is another person suffering from mental health issues – probably schitzophrenia.
Again just a guess – but certainly more evidence of that than that this is right wing political violence.
More gaslighting by left wing nuts jumping to conclusions without evidence.
“I’m shocked, another right wing person uses a gun to kill people. How often does this happen?”
Not very often at all. Nearly all gun murders are committed by criminals – drug dealers etc.
“don’t let facts stop you from spreading lies that the left causes more violence.”
What FACTS would those be ?
That violence throughout the world is nearly perfectly predicted by demographics – race ?
That tougher gun laws typically result in increase in crime.
Of course the left is more violent. Even Sen. Fetterman has confirmed that in 2025 a LEFT WING NUT study that finds a way to classify anyone not on the left who kills someone as right wing political violence STILL found that the left is more violent. That is by Biased crappy left wing nut analysis.
Conversely ordinarly people do know how to tell the difference between left wing nuts, and just plain nuts.
And that prison gangs are just prison gangs, that if you want to start counting the crimes of white prison gangs as right wing violence – then you have to count that of the crips and the bloods, and tda and MS13 as left wing political violence.
Can you name an ACTUAL example of right wing political violence ?
A perpirator who made it CLEAR what their motive was and clear they were on the right ?
I can not think of a single one in the past 25 years.
I can think of 2 dozen examples of left wing political violence in the past year.
As always, without any solid evidence, leftists attempt to frame violence as having anything to do with Trump. The left overwhelmingly “owns” violence in America. Try learning something about firearms and the 2nd Amendment -https://rockstarberst.substack.com/p/gun-violence-separating-facts-from
“The Suspect in the Michigan Church Shooting Was a Trump Supporter – and Suddenly Trump, Vance, and Patel Are Silent”
Why are you so stupid? Most likely, ideology doesn’t play a part in this shooting. The most likely reason for the shooting was that Sanford hated the Mormon Church, believing the LDS to be the antichrist.
Giving way to a righteous sense of rage satisfies a primal emotional need. Unfortunately, the type of people that are prone to do so are not, in my view, very effective leaders. George Washington famously worked throughout his life to control his emotions. We need more leaders with better self control.
Completely off topic and maybe wrong–
Remember during the mass Covid vaccinations the large number of young athletes who dropped dead publicly where their deaths couldn’t be hidden?
Corporate media told us it was normal but it wasn’t normal for anyone who remembered how it was before Covid vaccinations.
Now that Covid vaccinations, particularly for the young, have dropped dramatically, suddenly young athletes aren’t dropping dead with frequency.
Just a casual observation I made a day or so ago and have been thinking about.
Also odd that nobody else has noted this.
“Goofy Gavin” Newscum is a wannabe communist dictator in a one-party communist state who advertises welfare healthcare, “free stuff,” on Sunday Night Football; he calls it “Covered California.” That pretty much sums it up: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” The Supreme Court should have struck down the communism of states denying Americans their freedom and freedom of enterprise and interfering with the free market healthcare industry, as but one example.
Consider Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword”
I’m agnostic. Consider why you think that as an argument supposedly works for those from the religion of Marx’s communism: atheists?
Or Muslims? Or any of the world’s other religions?
Professor Turley,
Your articles routinely fuel the Age of Rage. Immediately following a terrorist attack by a right wing madman, you write yet another article referencing Kirk instead.
The readers of your blog only get news from their preferred ecosystem, so they wouldn’t know the guy had a Trump sign on his lawn and wore Trump camo shirts, because Fox News framed it has anti-Christian violence rather than right wing extremism.
By failing to acknowledge that there are crazies on either end of the spectrum, your readers now think (and repeatedly stated multiple times) that extremism only comes from the left.
That is the kind of misinformation – encouraged by your partisan article selection – that fuels the Age of Rage.
The “both sides” canard no longer works. The Left is almost exclusively involved in the rage rhetoric. The Left exclusively gleefully celebrates in the thousands when a person on the other side of the political spectrum is murdered. The Left exclusively kills its political opponents for political reasons.
You write: “The Left is almost exclusively involved in the rage rhetoric.”
Absolutely ridiculous. How many times a night does right-wing media and politicians label someone a “Marxist” or a “Communist” without proper usage of those terms? Outside of maybe Mamdani, there are very few situations where that labeling is hyperbolic at best.
https://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordOId=9139142&fileOId=9139143
– This was a 2022 study of Fox News’ coverage of domestic terrorism, and it shows that the framing of the Michigan church attack is right out of the playbook they have been using for years.
Well, there we have it: proof! Calling somebody a communist due to how they promise to “distribute the wealth”, attack the rich, etc is EXACTLY the same when the same ones doing that publicly proclaim “Charlie Kirk is a Nazi and racist”!
You’ve sure convinced me (along with that fraudulent Democrat study you referenced) to vote FOR you in the next election, rather than AGAINST you.
“How many times a night does right-wing media and politicians label someone a “Marxist” or a “Communist” without proper usage of those terms?”
Pretty much never, when labeling those on the left the term marxist or communist is pretty much only used when the person being labeled has used that label for themselves.
More commonly those on the left are labeled:
liberal -which is absolutely incorrect, Turley is liberal, most of the left today is decidedly ILLIBERAL
left wing
progressive – which is a label that many on the left use to describe themselves.
socialist – many on the left self describe as socialist, regardless if your answer to every problem is more government you are a socialist.
Please cite an actual example where an individual or clearly defined group, was identified as communist or marxist when they did not self identify as communist or marxist.
Conversely if you at random pick those the left identifies as nazi’s, or fascists, the odds are about 1 in 10,000 that that person or group self identifies as nazi’s or fascists.
“Outside of maybe Mamdani, there are very few situations where that labeling is hyperbolic at best.”
And what would be the examples of calling an individual that did not identify as marxist or communist as a marxist or communist.
“This was a 2022 study of Fox News’ coverage of domestic terrorism”
You have already lost most people.
The left has been increasingly and heavily engaged in rigging studies and statistics for decades.
Please provide a reason to beleive that some study you are offering is credible.
I really do not care much about fox news one way or the other.
But the left has thoroughly discredited most higher education and science and research.
In the actual sciences – efforts to replicate published scientific papers have found 1/3 of all papers completely fail to replicate – they are just flat out FALSE, the next third do not replicate with statistical significance.
In otherwords while there might be some tangential link there is no causation. The independant and dependant variabls are not linked.
That is 2/3 of scientific papers that are FRAUDULENT.
And these results are far worse outside of the hard sciences.
Famous Classic studies that have been taught in HS psychology as FACT for the past 75 years have been FALSIFIED.
Almost nothing coming out of the humanities and social sciences today can be trusted at all.
You have destroyed peoples trust in science.
In many instances you do so completely absurdly.
Ordinary people are NOT stupid. In most instances ordinary people are CORRECT or close to it in their perception of reality.
When you produce a study that says up is down or left is right – your evidence had better be incredibly compelling, your statistical significance has better be very close to 1.0.
But that is rarely the case. You constantly ask people to beleive things that are completely absurd, and then wonder why no one trusts you.
The left has taken over academia – you CELEBRATE that – well that also means that you get to take the blame for the garbage that academia produces, and you are stuck with the FACT that people do not trust YOUR studies.
I will be happy to trust anything that actually competent mathematicians and statisticians have reviewed and found to have been properly conducted – both procedurally, mathematically and statistically.
We had a political battle recently because the Jobs numbers that were reported appeared to politically damage Trump. The numbers themselves were likely correct, But the problem was that for atleast 4 years – and probably for most of more than 16 the numbers had been politically distorted.
No one is quite sure exactly how badly the Biden jobs numbers were over estimated – but the SMALLEST likely error is an overstatement of 2M jobs, and the more likely error is over 4M.
We saw the same thing with crime states – the Biden FBI changed the rules for gathering voluntary criminal statistics – and the result was a 30% decline in police stations participating in the voluntary reporting program.
FBI attempted to correct for this statistically – and the results were purportedly a significant decline in crime over the past 4 years. But that conflicted with the perceptions of ordinary people – who beleived that Crime was rising not falling.
Well there is more than one means of deriving the same information.
Newspapers accross the country report on Crimes in their community, services gather this data, process it and report on it. According to those sources – crime has been rising.
Further the federal government conducts the National Crime Victims survey each year. It surveys about half a million people gathering information on the crimes those people have been victims of.
That data shows an increase not a decrease in Crime.
This is one of the problems with rigging statistics – there is pretty much ALWAYS an independent means to verify or falsify your results.
About a decade ago Economist David Romer – the spouse of Obama’s CEA Christine Romer – not a right wing nut, published an economic paper – that was really a mathematical proof, that any mathematical model with sufficient terms could be made to accurately hindcast past data while still being virtually useless with respect to forecasting. Not only that but that quite often small errors in choices regarding coefficients – errors that were easily the results of unconscious biases, could produce results that hindcasted accurately without being able to usefully forecast.
We have been seeing exactly that in Climate models which are running several standard of deviations from reality in their forward projections, but accurately projected the past 40 years.
Nor is the problems with Climate studies and models unique. Every single Malthusian prediction from any of the sciences since …. Malthus centuries ago has proven to be FALSE. So far science has NEVER predicted a future catastrophe accurately – not ONCE in 300+ years.
The point is that you can not just lob a “study” and presume that has any merit or meaning.
That’s a lot of hand waving. What I know is that the federal debt goes up by leaps and bounds every time a Republican is President, even against the backdrop of Biden’s spending which Trump is making appear to be pocket change by comparison.
Maybe the next time you Gish Gallop you include links to the trash sites that provide your opinions.
In What world do you live in Certainly Not the real world.
The first problem we have is stupid congressional rules that Bake all past spending in automatically.
What Bush adds to Spending – is the BASE for Obama, What Obama Adds is the Base for Trump, …
The current government shutdown is over adding back into the budget stupid Covid emergency spending that should have expired long ago.
We dealt with DOGE going through government accounts in the first half of the year.
We can debate how large those potential cuts really were,
but is there ANYTHING DOGE identified that should not just be eliminated ?
It is not Republicans that think that Government is an infinite piggy bank to dole out candy.
It is not republicans that think that you should not be allowed to keep what you earn.
It is not republicans who do not think you Earned what you earned.
Regardless, you wish to pretend that Republicans spend more – your an idiot, but I do not care.
If you are not prepared to CUT spending – then you are not even admitting that spending is a problem.
I would ask if you really want the US to have the economic problems that the UK and EU have – but I suspect you actually do.
BIDEN added more debt than Trump(first term)–7.8 TRILLION TRUMP and 8.4 TRILLION BIDEN- Riddle me that BOZO ANON!!!
BTW HUSSEIN OBAMA ADDED 9 TRILLION
Thus far we no little about the michigan church attack – except that it was unacceptable violence.
I am not seeing Fox reporting claiming anything beyond that.
I see plenty on the left – as they do ALWAYS trying to blame it on the right.
If jews are the target – it is the right – that is despite the fact that most violence targeting jews comes from the left which has idiotically decided that Hamas is some cause the left should support – because they are idiots and like to support violent vile murderous terrorists who oppose pretty much everything they beleive.
If it is pretty much any church – it is the right – despite the fact that it is the left that opposes pretty much all religion – except islam ?
If it is a school – it is the right – because of course it is right wing nuts who want to mangle childern or murder them. It is not like the right supports family values.
If a conservative is assassinated – it is the right – because of course conservatives routinely murder their own.
It law enforcement is attacked – it is the right – because of course it is conservatives most closely associated with anarchy and lawlessness.
To those of you on the left – even damning evidence that something is a left wing politically motivated attack does not stop you from blaming it on the right.
…literally someone misusing the “communist” label a few comments above this.
Point. Made.
And for reference — Sen. Tuberville labeled Newsom a “communist” on Fox News back in 2024, so yes, the rage rhetoric exists on both sides.
Newscum IS a communist.
He lives in his gated mansion above it all and wants everyone to do his bidding.
The Left throws words about without meaning.
Of course, many curse incessantly, using the same word as a verb, noun, pronoun, gerund, etc. But then, they are the Left.
We, on the right recognize words mean things and use them appropriately.
That is why, when you listen to a conservative talk, the conservative does not constantly need to explain the meaning of the words.
Try pinning a Leftist down on what they meant by calling someone a “fascist” and they will be unable to use words.
They are, however, quite capable of using violence.
I have no Idea what Tuberville said – and I certainly would not trust you.
It is probably innaccurate to label newsome as a communist, but he certainly is a socialist.
He certainly has never seen govenrment spending that the did not like.
I’m confused. It is horrific to call a right wing person like JD or DJT a nazi.
It is perfectly fine for 2nd amendment right wing crazy people to carry an assault weapon and kill people. Hey, just a few deaths per Charlie Kirk’s prediction.
Just seems to me some people have the wrong idea about what is violence.
Speaking of people publicly displaying they have the wrong idea about what is violence: “It is perfectly fine for 2nd amendment right wing crazy people to carry an assault weapon and kill people.”
Why is violence fine when racist Democrat Trannies from the Democrat Alphabet Sex Pride Tribe slaughter Christian children in a Christian school? With one of those “Democrat Assault Weapons”?
I’m thinking that Democrat Marxist Useful Idiots consumed with a killing rage never will be understand that there is a cost/benefit analysis involving both the Second Amendment as well as the First Amendment. Which means there will be some evil that occurs due to those rights, not just 100% benefits.
Including when hate filled Democrat Trannies and homosexuals murder innocent defenseless people because a parade of Democrat leaders invoked their First Amendment Hate Speech rights to assure them they were doing the right thing: Kirk was a Nazi and those little white Christian kids were also going to grow up to be Nazis.
Who could possibly object to one of the Democrats’ Alphabet Sex Pride Tribe Warriors getting a Democrat Assault Weapon to save all of them from todays and future Nazis like Kirk and those kiddies?
And that cost/benefit analysis of our rights began with the Framers at the Constitutional Convention, about 250 years before Charlie Kirk was the latest to attempt (and fail) to explain that to the Democrats Kluxxers like Biden or his acolytes and followers in today’s rage filled Marxist Useful Idiots.
You mention “a terrorist attack by a right wing madman” that was nowhere near as relevant as the assassination of a figure of the stature of a Charlie Kirk but much closer to one of the 43,000 deaths that occur on highways every year. Is that apples to oranges?
Are you trying to say that a terrorist attack that targeted a religious minority group is not news?
Yikes.
The slaughter of religious minorities is a valid topic for discussion. It is distinct from political violence. The perpetrators have different motives and goals.
On the topic of religious killings, it should not be overlooked that according to the Nigeria-based NGO International Society for Civil Liberties, in that country Islamic jihadists have slaughtered 125,000 Christians and razed 19,100 Christian churches since 2009. They have also slaughtered 60,000 Muslims whom they deemed not sufficiently hardline. The topic of the Nigerian genocide of Christians made news recently due to remarks by Bill Maher who explained that it was completely ignored by MSM because Jews are not involved:
https://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-christians-nigeria-10797095
So your argument is some alleged Trump supporter did Something ?
No source, nothing to make clear what you are even talking about ?
Regardless, lets make clear the difference between the right and left.
I do not know what incident you are talking about – but they are ALL WRONG.
There are very limited circumstances in which you can resort to violence.
Defense of self and defense of others from immediate harm being the most common.
Political violence is almost never justified and then only against tyranical govenrment – not your neighbor, not people you do not like, not people who do not share your ideology, and even then as the declaration os independence points out only after a long train of abuses designed to take your liberty.
While the left has mangled the statistics on political violence reclassifying lots of things that are not political violence – just ordinary criminal violence as political to try to rig the statistics – and you can tell this easily because they do not count the exact same acts as political violence when there are similar ties to the left.
Regardless nearly all violence is wrong, and so called political violence directed anywhere but govenrment is ALWAYS wrong.
You may not EVER use violence against others because of their ideas, or the group they belong to.
You do not see those on the right celebrating successful or attempted assassinations.
You do not see those on the right celebrating attacks on churches, gay or trans people, blacks, or left wing nuts.
You do not see those on the right arguing that the victim deserved to be murdered.
You do not see those on the right contributing to go fund me campaigns for those who engaged in political violence.
You do not see those on the right funding riots or violence. You do not see them bailing out criminals.
Most violence in this country is NOT political. When you exclude all ordinary criminal violence, as well as that of mentally disturbed people – there is little left. And contra the left – that is all or nearly all from the left.
Didn’t DJT once call for his supporters to beat the hell out of a protester at one of his rallies?
Rabble:
You’re gonna have to provide a source on that one, chief. Otherwise, your pants need changing from all the crap you’re spewing.
Trump has called for supporters to beat up people at his rallies that were engaged in violence.
“ Trump has called for supporters to beat up people at his rallies that were engaged in violence.”
No he didn’t. He called for supporters to beat the hell out of people protesting at his rallies. Yelling is not violence. Trump like to quash dissent through threats and violence if necessary. Now that he’s president again he uses the threat of government power to threats of investigation to silence dissent.
“I love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out in a stretcher, folks,” Trump had said of one protester. Then: “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you.”
At an earlier rally, Trump had said to his supporters: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”
Knock the crap out of them over a tomato?
Instead what really happened:
He also said that the young man who was sucker-punched in North Carolina had been “taunting,” “loud” and “disruptive,” and was holding up his middle finger — “a terrible thing to do.”
Trump, who insisted yet again he does not condone violence, had instructed his people to “look into” the possibility of paying the assailant’s legal bills, he said, though, honestly, Trump doesn’t pay to help anyone.
Didn’t The Oval Office House Plant numerous times tell Americans he’d like to take Trump out back and beat the hell out of him (as if he could actually do that when he couldn’t manage to walk down stairs)?
And before rage filled murderous Democrats didn’t have Trump to try and use as their excuse, didn’t Obama in his first election campaign tell one of his Identity Politics groups to “go out there and beat down our enemies”?
He said, were they in high school together, and Trump made those comments about assaulting women, he’d take him out back.
No he called on them to punch someone who was throwing tomatoes.
That is not the only incident, there are several others.
Regardless, Defense of others is a legitimate justification for violence.
Trump has called on supporters to use violence against people who were at that moment violent.
That could be wrong – beating someone up who is throwing tomatoes is not proportionate and self defence and defense of others must be proportionate.
But it is not nearly as wrong as threatening to take a political oponent behind the Gym and beat them up – which Biden did more than once.
John say,
“ That could be wrong – beating someone up who is throwing tomatoes is not proportionate and self defence and defense of others must be proportionate.”
You just argued up thread that it IS proportionate to beat someone up for throwing a tomato.
“ If you are about to throw a tomato at someone – you should have the crap knocked out of you.”
That is NOT proportionate. That is comitting assault.
You keep conflating two differen actions. When somene is ABOUT to throw an object and someone who THROWS an object are two different things.
You cannot beat the crap out of someone who is about to throw something. That is criminal assault. You can block someone throwing an object, but once once proceed to beat the crap out of that person, you are comitting assault. You’re going beyond a proportional response.
You keep taking contradictory positions.
Some of these a$$hats live in a Fantasy Land, where they suppose that the MAGA/MAGA-ish crowd think like them – in a monolithic fashion. Like none of us think that a Trump supporter would ever do anything wrong, and have to cover up that fact, lest our psyches shatter into pieces.
Talk about a straw man argument. Guess what? I think there are nutz on all sides of every issue. History and experience indicate that now, in 2025, most of the nuttiness is on the Left side of things. Hmmm. Wonder which side of things it is, which can’t accept the Ian Roberts snafu, and tries to cover it up. For just one example.
You are not seeing those celebrations on the right because you refuse to look at how they celebrate. They don’t smile and laugh; they say “Serves them right, they deserved it.” They sneer, they “roll coal” on anyone they imagine is on the left. They tear down Pride flags.
You refuse to look, you refuse to see.
The President pardoned those convicted of rioting; far beyond bail.
Find the money trail for the left. Are you confusing funding for civil rights lawyers a problem for you?
Turning Point, funded by a multimillionaire, paid for and delivered bus loads of people to support Trump’s speech about ignoring the Electoral College. Another, a billionaire, paid for Fox News to deliver lies about voting machines.
Did you get lost and stumble in here by mistake on your way over to CNN? You know, the CNN who along with Jimmy Kimmel convinced you Charlie Kirk was murdered by one of his MAGA right wing madmen?
If you’re here deliberately, to post that BBBUUUTTTT…. MUH FOX!!! drivel… there is only one question: “Why are you here? To impress today’s Grindr date?”