A plan at Utah Valley University (UVU) to create a memorial to Charlie Kirk has been met by protests and a petition signed by thousands to block the effort. One protester declared, “We don’t want his likeness on campus.” That is hardly a new sentiment since Kirk was assassinated on the campus on Sept. 10, 2025. However, the protest shows the sense of license that many have in opposing anyone with conflicting views, including those represented in memorials.
I have a long history with UVU and was pleased to receive the Madison award from the university, and was declared an honorary faculty member years ago. It is a wonderful academic institution with a growing and vibrant intellectual community.
It was, therefore, particularly shocking to see that UVU was the scene of the assassination of Kirk and then to watch this protest over an effort to memorialize the advocate for free speech.
The UVU Students for a Democratic Society led the protests this week. One student, Collin Grannis, told KSTU, “We don’t want his likeness on campus; we don’t want his likeness sort of immortalized.”
Student Abagael Woods added, “For one thing, it’s going to get vandalized — there’s no way it’s not. And it’s going to re-traumatize a bunch of people.”
The suggestion that the school should not memorialize a victim of a criminal act due to the threat of additional criminal acts is chilling. It is not clear who would be “re-traumatized.” Some said that they were being traumatized by Kirk’s appearance at the school. For supporters of Kirk, the argument that they should be protected from the trauma of further criminal acts is menacing and mendacious.
Woods reportedly recommended a “memorial for unity” like therapy dogs on campus. Presumably, no one would dare to spray paint or shoot a therapy dog.
Many, however, feel the same license to destroy memorials to Kirk around the country.
The protestors’ campaign has drawn significant online support, with an anti-memorial petition surpassing 15,000 signatures. Meanwhile, a competing petition in favor of the memorial has gathered more than 21,000 signatures.
Over 15,000 people have signed the petition, declaring that “[Kirk’s] words and actions caused pain and division, and we cannot ignore the impact of his negativity.” Kirk’s support for the Second Amendment is cited as one of the reasons to block any memorial. Instead, the petition declares, “our hearts ache for the countless children who have tragically lost their lives to gun violence in schools. Their memories deserve to be honored with dedicated memorials, serving as a constant reminder of the urgent need for change.”
The suggestion of possible criminal acts in response to the memorial should only reinforce the commitment of the university to create it. Critics can then enlist as many therapy dogs as are necessary to deal with it, but they should be expelled if they attempt to deface it.
None of this is particularly surprising, but it is depressing. It is a sad statement on the views of many that they cannot, even as critics of Kirk, support a memorial to express the deep sadness over his murder on their campus. Kirk was someone who invited debate and fought for a diversity of opinion on campuses. Yet, even his memorial is now the subject of a cancel campaign.
It seems to me that the Students of Utah Valley State University and the People of Utah should make the decision about a memorial. He was invited there by students and that’s where he was killed. It’s also a public university so the rest of the state should also be involved. Everyone else should butt out.
Memorials are important to us personally and to history and can be effective either as a physical monument or the success of the organizations and movements that a person led or created. No monument in this political atmosphere is going to be without controversy. In a saner time it would have been less so. I hope they do build it and protect it so it cannot be damaged .
I do like Turley’s main comment
“The suggestion of possible criminal acts in response to the memorial should only reinforce the commitment of the university to create it. Critics can then enlist as many therapy dogs as are necessary to deal with it, but they should be expelled if they attempt to deface it.”
Well said.
As far as George Floyd is concerned. He likely got a plaque in the ground with his name, DOB and DOD. Or you can get cremated and toss your ashes to the wind. Thats about what we all get.
As far as a memorial for Anonymous the Stupid is concerned, his friends should just take his CDL or Regular driver’s license and lay it on the ground. You know the license with “No Name Given”. Should be an immense crowd.
“He was invited there by students and that’s where he was killed.”
His visit to UVU was opposed by more students than those inviting him. Over 1000 students signed a petition that he not be allowed on campus. Had the petition been heeded Kirk would still be alive, but then the radicalized right would not now have a martyr to carry on their shoulders.
Kirk was a paid actor, gaining $80M a year from billionaires to spread a message that benefited them. If those billionaires wish to put a plaque on the walls of their many mansions, sure, fine. It was an investment that has paid off handsomely.
“For one thing, it’s going to get vandalized — there’s no way it’s not. And it’s going to re-traumatize a bunch of people.”
Unfortunately, I believe Miss. Woods is correct.
As for “re-traumatizing” what does that even mean?
The 15000 fighting this consists of a relatively small group of well funded community organizer, influencer type people who are paid to hate Trump and the rest are mindless lemmings totally unable to enunciate the issues that seemingly concern them.
Your comment is without exaggeration.
The dozens of billionaires hiring paid actors to sow division and elevate Kirk are a relatively small and clearly well funded bunch. Kirk was paid $80 M a year to sow discord at liberal universities using is Turning Point organization as a wedge to get in; TP is, at it’s core, also paid actors, funded by the same billionaires who see a threat to their unfettered exploitation.
I find it absolutely amazing that Charlie Kirk made one CORRECT statement against DEI and is labeled a racist by the lunatic entitled leftists.
The “progressive” political left doesn’t want a literal martyr for free speech and open debate, like Charlie Kirk, to have memorial statues, but they do want a criminal drug abuser like George Floyd to have memorial statues; this tells you all you need to know about the moral bankruptcy of the absurdly “unprogressive” political left.
Put up the statue and watch the brainwashed, morally bankrupt, psychological snowflakes loose their collective minds.
The “progressive” political left can bite me.
Exactly! Well said!
“The “progressive” political left can bite me.”
Careful. You would probably need rabies vaccination afterwards.
Since the majority of these campuses are funded, in part, by tax dollars (including local, county, state and federal) I think it is time we, the taxpayers, object to all of the progressive hate-filled, racist and twisted ideologies to which these tiny indoctrinated minds cling and we want all evidence of their ideologies removed from campus as it offends us.
It is time that we turn their game plan around on them and decry and revolt against any signs of their ideology on our funded campuses.
WhimsicalMama,
Not sure I would want to stoop to their level in revolting against any of their signs. I think it is better to just point out how absurd they are or their ideas are. Just like Charlie Kirk did.
While I admire Kirk’s bravery and his convictions, he wasn’t making much of a dent in the composition of progressive ideology’s grip on the minds of the ignorant. I am not saying people like Kirk should stop enlightening those willing to open their minds to different ideas, the fact that the deck, so to speak, is so stacked against the conservative ideologies that a much more forceful push against them is truly needed at this point.
Demographically we do not have the time for a long march towards conservativism – just look at NYC at this point as an example – the mob, the horde of parasites and the invested lives of sociopathic progressives is to powerful to just say “we will enlighten you one by one.
They use Antifa while many on the right want to emulate Neville Chamberlain and we all realize that it took a Montgomery, a Patton and a Curtis LeMay to actually change the direction of things.
Many of the conservative voices here would caution us to be civilized, but just remember that WWII was not a civil undertaking because the enemy they faced were as entrenched in their ideology as any DEI hire prof at any university and they will continue to poison the minds of our children until they are stopped dead in their tracks.
“Many of the conservative voices here would caution us to be civilized,”
I advocate that approach, but let’s be clear on definitions. “Civilized” to me means waiting to be attacked to respond, not failing to respond to such, or responding in a lesser manner than is adequate to repel the attack and give the attacker(s) serious misgivings about any repetition that they might be contemplating.
Your approach sounds very much like that of Neville Chamberlain in his polite appeasement of hitler or the democrat/prog notion of dealing/not dealing with china while allowing them to amass great advantages against us by “peaceful” means of buying up rare earth mineral rights or stealthily infiltrating our software, tik tok and other such “peaceful” devices as granting loans to 3rd world countries thereby have a thumb on those nation’s future decisions. No, we cannot be pacifically “civilized’ just because we fail to comprehend that we are already at war with china in so many subtle means or that we are defending our western civilizations against the onslaught of progressive, nihilistic and communist ideologies.
Sitting back an waiting politely and passively is how we got into the messes that we are in today. Britain sat back on its old glory and allowed, foolishly, to be invaded by all of its colonial populations to the point where they are not even recognizable as a western nation. We will see the same fate, both from china and progressive ideologies if we do not stop their so-called non-aggressive actions until it is too late. The mere fact that we can recognize these dangers but do little because of timidity/good manners shows that perhaps we have lost our nerve as we abide in our current, but by no means permanent, affluence.
Neville Chamberlain bought time to arm Great Britain; to tell Hitler that attacking wasn’t needed. He played Hitler for a sucker, much the way Stalin did.
If you are unable to recognize that the UK has remained essentially unchanged that’s a perception problem on your part.
If conservatism delivered what people want it would be more widely followed, particularly on college campuses.
Christ himself would, in person, be rebuked by conservatives. They would take a repeat of the assault on the temple money changers as a blasphemy against what conservatives hold dear – the love of money. And they would cheer his execution as a removal of a disruptor with many followers, much the way that conservatives were content with the killing of Martin Luther King Jr.; at least until the riots exploded.
The reason that Charlie didn’t get much traction among the liberals is that liberals can see what someone believes and whether they live their belief. The life Charlie led was based on roughly $80M a year from billionaires to be a paid actor. Anyone half paying attention would see the artificial nature of his arguments; polished and practiced and not leading anywhere near the path his life took as a spokesman for the wealthy to scam the lower and middle class.
Ben Shapiro noted what Charlie really did and has tried to emulate him. See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/05/texas-fracking-billionaire-brothers-prageru-daily-wire
If you asked most of these folk why they disliked Kirk, they could not give you any cogent reasons. Kirk is just a symbol to them, like a cross to a vampire, and they recoil in mindless terror. Ayn Rand had some good thoughts on this:
“There was a time when the necessity of industrialization was the crusading slogan of Western liberals, which justified anything and whitewashed any atrocity, including the wholesale slaughter in Soviet Russia. We do not hear that slogan any longer. Confronted with the choice of an industrial civilization or collectivism, it is an industrial civilization that the liberals discarded. Confronted with the choice of technology or dictatorship, it is technology that they discarded. Confronted with the choice of reason or whims, it is reason that they discarded.
“And so today we see the spectacle of old Marxists blessing, aiding and abetting the young hoodlums (who are their products and heirs) who proclaim the superiority of feelings over reason, of faith over knowledge . . . of spiritual concerns over material comforts, of primitive nature over technology . . . .
“The old-line Marxists used to claim that a single modern factory could produce enough shoes to provide for the whole population of the world and that nothing but capitalism prevented it.
“When they discovered the facts of reality involved, they declared that going barefoot was superior to wearing shoes.”
— Ayn Rand, “The Left: Old and New,” Return of the Primitive
In addition, here is a free copy of Return of the Primitive:
https://dn720705.ca.archive.org/0/items/letters-of-ayn-rand-ayn-rand-1/return%20of%20the%20primitive%20-%20ayn%20rand.pdf
FWIW, I just ordered a paperback copy. I have a signed copy of “For The New Intellectual” in storage, but apparently new essays were added, and I missed the news, way back when,
“In addition, here is a free copy of Return of the Primitive:”
Thanks. I’m surprised that Leonard Peikoff hasn’t forced Internet Archive to remove that. IMO, selecting him to be the guardian and custodian of her intellectual property was one of Rand’s more serious mistakes.
Download it while you can!
Floyd, the Shameless Looter!
“. . . here is a free copy of Return of the Primitive . . .”
You are promoting theft, and thieves are capitalizing.
Awesome, thanks!
(“When they discovered the facts of reality involved, they declared that going barefoot was superior to wearing shoes.”)
This statement is the genesis of that meme about Trump that if he advocated for breathing, the left would volunteer to die of asphyxiation.
“Ayn Rand had some good thoughts on this”
Yep. Rand wasn’t perfect (although she may well have fantasized that she was) but in my well-considered opinion, the things she had correct far outnumber her errors.
That is my opinion of her, too. More of great value in her works, if you can get past her unrealistic and misplaced belief in human rationality. In her own way, she was as impractical as the communists, believing some idealized system of human living was possible. But if you take what she said, with a grain of salt, then I believe that she should be considered one of the greatest philosophers who ever lived. Even without the grain of salt.
What people “should” be, and what they “are”, are two different things.
I think that quite a large number of people have the potential to be rational in the way Rand postulated. I do think that one of her mistakes was in underestimating how many people with social and/or political power understand that their power rests on preventing the rest from having any such awakening. Also, a very large number people facilitate this by fearing their own rationality.
What colleges and universities need to do is return to the early 1960s and outlaw political organizations on campus. As unfavorable, unsuitable, detrimental, to the mission of educating students and advancing knowledge. There’s absolutely no reason, in my opinion, why they could not do so. If necessary outlaw ALL organizations on campus as inconducive to the student collegiality necessary to the mission of educating students and advancing knowledge.
Back to 1960? You show how uniformed you are about corporate law. But your ignorance is typical for the clowns commenting here.
At least the leftist have brains (college students and graduates) you clowns here are pack of uneducated nutjobs.
“When hate sits on the throne of power, reason abdicates and madness rules.”
Quotes? So who are you quoting? Lenin?
The quote is mostly attributed to Louis L’Amour, an American writer known for moral clarity who opposed the dangers of unchecked authority.
Whom, not who.
Kirk was a racist, a bigot, and a fascist. Of course normal people do not want a permanent memorial to him on campus. Protesting and trying to prevent the memorial is an expression of free speech and is as valid as those who want to create the memorial.
Hey, geoge floyd got a memorial. And a gulden coffin. And is buried in a paupers field.
There is no permanent memorial to George Floyd on any college campus. He did have a gold-plated coffin, something Trump will surely want to top, and Floyd isn’t in a pauper’s field but the Garden of Gethsemane Mausoleum within the Houston Memorial Gardens.
And Floyd was still a criminal junkie that overdosed on fentanyl after trying to pass a counterfeit bill. A good man is in prison, stabbed 22 times for doing his job as a police officer. He and all involved were maliciously railroaded by Minnesota Democrats in the name of WOKE. Free Derek Chauvin Now!
Ano
Kirk was none of what you have posted. Typical lib lies
@Anonymous
No, he wasn’t. You as ever are certainly an idiot, though. Really, the NewSpeak has no power anymore. 🤷🏽♂️
After your first sentence, “Kirk was a racist, a bigot, and a fascist”, you disqualified your use of the term “normal people.”
The opposition to a memorial for Charlie Kirk is not surprising. Charlie Kirk has become a historical figure who lost his life fighting for our fundamental right to express ourselves. He died because he was successful. IMO he ranks with many of the historical figures of our nation’s founding and deserves recognition for his courage and sacrifice. The Dems have evolved into an authoritarian party openly fomenting violence and challenging the foundational principles of our nation. The useful idiots who threaten vandalism and violence for memorializing Kirk are the vanguard of a budding revolution that threatens this nation.
The psychology here is pretty clear. Political identity has become tribal identity, and anything tied to the “out-group” is treated as harmful. On many campuses, emotional discomfort gets rebranded as trauma, and activism replaces tolerance. When even memorializing a murder victim feels like a moral violation, it shows how deeply the culture of fear and cancellation has taken root. If we can’t grieve across political lines anymore, that’s a crisis far bigger than Charlie Kirk.
Political identity has become tribal identity… just to balance the scale, reps practice tribalism too. Just look at this blog.
I have come to the conclusion that these people are mentally ill.
Or terminally selfish
mentally ill? You’re a dr.? But suzie says they’re selfish. Selfish? Gott ask, what is selfish about those 15,000 people?
Certainly it is selfish to put one’s own feelings to the public as worthier of protection and commemoration than the life of a young father, a guest on their campus brutally murdered there by someone who shares their feelings about the late Charlie Kirk.
Your comment is confusing. But, how does selfishness even play a roll in an argument here about a memorial?
And what is your opinion about George Floyd having a memorial?
Would those 15,000 people object to a memorial consisting of an accurate sculpting of Emmitt Till in his coffin? Disturbing as that would be to pass every day?
I doubt it. In all fairness, a George Floyd memorial would be appropriate. Next to Charlies’.
LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH.
Floyd was not assassinared
Kirk was
Floyd was not murdered much less murdered at UVA Kirk was
Floyd was arrested for passing counterfeits
Drugged ups on multiple drugs to three times fatal levels
He was restrained by police after destroying their vehicle while resisting arrest
Floyd never stood for anything in his life
You idiots made a martyr out of a failed petty criminal
You want us to feel sorry for Floyd
Fine
But you are idiots to pretend he is a hero or martyr
Kirk constantly challenged the left to “prove him wrong”
He committed not crime
His offense was winning arguments against ignorant left wing nuts
And you murdered him because of that
Kirk was assassinated
Further he went to campuses where he knew that violent left wing nuts might try to hurt or kill him
He had actual courage
Floyd was just a petty criminal
Floyd did absolutely nothing worth remembering
Even his death is only memorable because left wing nuts rioted accross the country over it
10,000 George Floyd’s would not equal one Charlie Kirk
No Floyd deserves no more remebersnce than any petty criminal
It’s not Floyd that is remembered. It is the the fact that police killed him for petty reasons and gloated to the crowd while doing it. People rioted because his murder was a tipping point, a start to an avalanche of anger that had built up for a long time of police shaking people down for cash, extorting sex for leniency, tasing people and beating people and planting evidence.
Charlie Kirk is famous for being a paid actor for Billionaires – $80M a year is the estimated price. Kirk hired other paid actors to infiltrate college campuses under the TP-USA banner to act as a wedge to get Kirk on campus to groom even more children.
Left wingers are the anti-gun side. Kirk was shot by a guy with a life-long family experience of being a gun loving conservative. Right wingers lay into the mantra “Guns Solve Problems.” So far the shooter hasn’t said what problem he was solving, but he sure used a gun to do it. Thankfully Charlie Kirk said that killing people on school grounds was a price worth paying to have the 2nd Amendment. The irony of the combination of that mantra and Kirk’s own words is outstanding. Kirk meant small children in elementary schools, not him, but he didn’t specify.
Narcissism.
How are they selfish ?
ROFL
That is the more polite term for those who Uniate force against others to get their way
Another word for it would be fascist
Leftwing fascists are the least tolerant people in the world.
One wonders at the incredible arrogance and chutzpah of this group of students who believe that they, and they alone, have the right to dictate to other students what is or is not acceptable. If they don’t like a statue, or a memorial, they can just walk by and ignore it. But that is not enough for this intolerant group of students, who have the maturity of three year olds: they must deprive other students of the right to a statue memorializing Charlie Kirk. Agree or disagree, they show zero compassion for a 31 year old husband and father of two toddlers who was murdered on their campus.
Fascists group of students … Kirk is collateral damage in the war of politics and these two commenters don’t even try to defuse tensions so they attack non-believers. Sound familiar? Muslim Jihadist… kill the unbelievers! You reps are animals just like the Jihadists.
Suze,
Anyone with a degree of maturity would simply walk by and ignore the memorial. Looks like a degree of intolerance to me.
Conservatives couldn’t ignore that a little metal Jesus in a jar of urine existed. They would go completely crazy if there was a full size metal Jesus in a giant jar of urine in the middle of campus.
Clearly you spent little time listening to what Charlie Kirk said that wasn’t carefully curated by the Charlie Kirk organization of paid actors. Or, maybe you did, and agree with his racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic core that he defended with misleading interpretations of the Bible, causing most conservatives to stop thinking anything but “Ahh, the Bible says it, it must be true” even when what he said isn’t in the Bible at all.
One wonders at the incredible arrogance and chutzpah of this group of students who believe that they, and they alone, have the right to dictate to other students what is or is not acceptable. If they want a statue they can 3D print one for their own dorm room and worship it in private.
How many other statues should be put up that most people are expected to ignore?
There could be Trump statues, finished in gold leaf. Maybe 100 statues of Trump on every campus, one in every classroom. No one has to look; the conservatives can worship the golden calf at every turn.
OTOH, why cannot conservatives use this power they claim others should use and ignore transexuals? Just don’t look and they won’t bother anyone.
It’s your legacy so change your name – Utah’s Violence University.
Excellent points made, all correct. But the most powerful force in America for the Left and Democrats in general is their pure and unmitigated hatred of President Trump. It is summed in a few sentences.
If Trump does something good, they don’t like it.
If Trump makes peace, they don’t like it.
If Trump improves the White House, they don’t like it.
If Trump says anything, they don’t like it.
If Trump saves the USA money, they don’t like it.
If Trump goes golfing, they don’t like it.
And finally,
If Trump gives Charlie Kirk an award, they positively hate it.
If not for Trump, the memorial would go through without a hitch.
But the most powerful force in America for the Right and Republicans in general is their pure and unmitigated hatred of Democrats.
Yeah, Republicans are starting to hate the people that call them racists, call them fascists, call them Hitler, arrested their candidate, tried to throw their candidate off of ballots, tried to bankrupt their candidate, shot their candidate and their youngest most influential activist, impeached their president, opened the border for 4 years and now wants to fight to keep all 20 million illegals let in here forever with benefits that working Americans can’t receive, marched and rioted against Israel AND Jews on campuses and in cities, celebrate Hamas and burned down our cities in 2020 and demand that we allow MEN to be in girls locker rooms and play in girl’s sports.
Yup, we really are starting to not like you people.
What ever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but name will never hurt me? You remember that from grammar school – right?
Obviously you never got past grammar school – mentally, that is.
Or is your senility kicking in this morning?
The left has murdered how many now???
Hullbobby’s comment made too much sense for you, eh’? Your response was adolescent at best, and a refusal to face the facts.
ATS the left is not about words
Upstate’s list included lots of vile acts
Regardless people do tend to hate those who call them Nazis
HullBobby,
I do not hate Democrats. I do find their ranting and raving to becoming boorish and tiring. I am sure there are moderate Democrats who feel the same way. I think Bill Maher has commented on it a few times.
Democrats no
The woke progressive left that owns the Democratic Party today yes
No one called them racists. They simply used the term that fit. If I go to the grocery store, where there are the groceries, that’s an interesting word “the groceries,” and I go to the produce section, I don’t “call” what I find there apples; if it’s apples, that’s the name for them. I am using the same way of writing that Trump uses speaking.
Know who marched against Jews? The people that Trump said were good people, on both sides of the Charleston Protest; the ones that Trump refused to say he did not want Nazis to vote for him. The ones who chanted, carrying their tiki torches “Jews will not Replace Us.”
If you consider that the term racist applies to you, then maybe you are calling yourself a racist. What Hillary Clinton clearly said was that “half” of Trump’s followers were in that category. Yet the other half, not in that category, decided that even if they weren’t racist, they were OK with someone who was appealing to racists and stood alongside the racists and voted for the interests of the racists. They voted for the guy who promised to hurt people.
You really should stop lecturing until you learn the difference between reality and the voices in your head. The “good people on both sides” hoax has been debunked more times than you pick up your bottle.
Currently, 45 Democrats are holding the government hostage because, tbree years ago, 50 Democrats voted to let massive pandemic-justified ACA subsidies expire in December.
And somehow the consequences of this unilateral action are now the Republicans’ fault.
Democrats are delulu.
Further, they are forcing friends, neighbors, and even co-workers to go without pay. Children will not get life-sustaining foods,next month, because Democrats see an opportunity for minority rule.
Democrats are monsters, and the country would be justified to hate them.
Republicans cut $1T in taxes on billionaires, but don’t want a few hundred million to help with healthcare expenses. The ones who will be most harmed are the Red states. It’s like watching a masochist getting beaten and each time the Republican middle and lower class masochists say, “whip me harder” in the hopes that what hurts them will also hurt others. Yeah. One of the main things is that rural hospitals are closing because Trump is cutting Medicare and Medicaid, basic support that is spent at rural hospitals. Have a gall bladder attack and need surgery? Best of luck on your 4 hour drive to the nearest big city.
Republicans have had 10 years to come up with a better solution than their preference of simply tossing people into the street over health care costs. Trump claimed for his entire 4 years he had a plan that was better and cheaper, but the piles of documents they showed off turned out to be blank pages bound to look like books. Later he said he had a concept of a plan and now has nothing to offer, but bankruptcy or death.
The trick now is that since the Republicans have lied for 10 years, and now say, like Lucy to Charlie Brown, that the football won’t be yanked -this time- unlike the way it was yanked the last 50 times. Finally the Democrats are kicking Lucy; with luck hard enough that the message sticks. Stop lying.
A sufficient number of Republican leaders aren’t statesmen. They are liars and wheedlers. Those who aren’t are supportive of the lies and the wheedling. It will surprise me if one of them makes a commitment to a principle and sticks with it regardless, but saying one thing and doing another is corrosive to the nation.
Pam Bondi – I have the Epstein list on my desk. Also Pam Bondi – There is no Epstein list.
Trump – when I am elected I will release the Epstein file. Also Trump – Why is anyone still talking about, who? Epstein? Never heard of the guy.
But recall what Trump said about shutdowns.
In 2011, Trump said: “In my opinion I hear the Democrats are going to be blamed and the Republicans are going to be blamed. I actually think the President would be blamed.”
He added: “If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He’s the one who has to get people together.”
Trump’s not sticking to that principal. He’s off on a world tour visiting interesting places and wandering off at random.
No, that is untrue. There was a time when the democrat party didn’t hate our Constitutional Republic, but that time has passed. Conservatives dislike traitors, and those that have no respect for America’s individual freedoms and liberties. The democrat party’s agenda runs entirely on their disdain for patriotism, Christianity, national sovereignty, and a color-blind society. Divisiveness is at the forefront of the leftist playbook, and projection is their tool of choice. Being told “the truth” is simply intolerable for you and your brethren, hence, the anger, rage, hysteria and violence from the democrat party.
False
Few actually hate you
Though you do deserve it
Mostly we just wish you had a brain
And wish you would quit trying to impose your will on everyone else by force
Just because you think something is a good idea does not mean you can impose it by force
If Trump does something good – still waiting for that.
If Trump says anything – I enjoyed hearing him trying to say “acetaminophen” Also “Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV” which he takes as a sign of genius. That was also amusing.
If Trump improves the White House – he put down easily damaged marble flooring in the Palm room and converted it from a place with wonderful plants to a sterile hallway. He tore down the East Wing and several 100 year old trees leaving a debris filled hole. Sure. It looks great.
If Trump saves the US Money – he increased the national debt by 3X more than any previous President, ever, and is on track to duplicate that effort. The printing presses in the Department of Treasury are going to overheat.
If Trump goes golfing – he spent most of Obama’s term complaining that Obama golfed too much. In the first two years Trump went golfing more than Obama did in 8 years. It would not be so bad, but he only plays his own courses, which means that the Secret Service has to pay Trump for the rooms they stay in, about $1.4 Million in his first term. Every time he goes to golf it costs the US a tremendous amount of money and he guides as much into his own pocket as possible.
Whether Charlie got that posthumous award from Trump or not, he doesn’t deserve a memorial on that campus. If his billionaire backers want to build a shrine to Kirk somewhere they own that is not on public land, they can pony up the money themselves. There are rarely monuments to actors; Kirk being a paid actor is no different. At best his was mediocre improv. They can buy a star in Hollywood.
Perhaps a Lenin or Marx monument would swerve them better?!
You forgot Stalin. Now that was a leader.
Yea, 20 million dead but nothing ever mentioned about a holocaust?!
The mafia of the 1930’s had more class than these students. At least the mob had the decency to send flowers and respect to their dead rivals’ funeral.
👍🙏
Mafia = students?
Try reading for comprehension.
Regrettably, Dustoff, they have more than hate. They have a twisted logic that fuels their hate—see the above—and they have the numbers. Half the nation, or nearly half, think this way. Their minority party will shut down the government unless the majority kneels before them.
Wise
Very true sir.
“They have a twisted logic that fuels their hate…” When I read that, I automatically thought of dustoff.
Wise old lawyer huh?
Base on what Ano. Notice you never say why or post any proof.
The left is so full of hate, it’s all they have now.
Hate is all they have? So says dustoff. LOL.
Dustoff is right and always makes a good point and great arguments, you won’t even create a name so that we can know which idiot you are in order to ignore you more easily.
What? dustoff makes “good points”? Whew… now I’ve seen it all.
Dustoff has the brain power of a rock.
Still higher than you Ano
You have nothing to worry about.
By reading your “anonymous”, adolescent-level psycho-babble, it is apparent that you have a cumulative I.Q. that rivals that of a dried-out dish sponge.
Are you able to make arguments?
Your posts are the stuff one would expect from a 4yr old
Dust off is correct
Thais’s of you on the left are full of hate
DustOff,
And they put it on full display for all to see. We see it by their words and actions.