There is another bizarre filing from Mark Elias, the controversial Democratic lawyer who helped to secretly fund the infamous Steele Dossier. In a new filing, Elias is challenging the district in New York City with the lone Republican member as violating the state voting rights act. Elias is effectively arguing that voting Republican is evidence of racism.
In the petition, voters bring a New York Voting Rights Act challenge, arguing that the Eleventh District “provides Black and Latino Staten Islanders less opportunity than other members of the electorate to elect a representative of their choice and influence elections in New York’s 11th Congressional District (“CD-11”), in violation of the prohibition against racial vote dilution in Article III, Section 4(c)(1) of the New York Constitution.”
The filing occurs after New York moved to further gerrymander the state, aiming to eliminate more Republican members of Congress. Across the country, Democrats have pushed for such gerrymandering, but in New York, the efforts are particularly extreme.
Trump received 45 percent of the vote. Republicans are confined to a small handful of districts. It is still too much for Elias.
Elias has not only been sanctioned in past litigation, but past courts have also criticized his group. In Maryland, Elias filed in support of an abusive gerrymandering of the election districts that a court found violated not only Maryland law but the state constitution’s equal protection, free speech, and free elections clauses. The court found that the map pushed by Elias “subverts the will of those governed.”
It was Elias who made the key funding available to Fusion GPS, which in turn enlisted Steele to produce his now discredited dossier on Trump and his campaign.
During the campaign, reporters did ask about the possible connection to the campaign, but Clinton campaign officials denied any involvement. Weeks after the election, journalists discovered that the Clinton campaign hid payments for the Steele dossier as “legal fees” among the $5.6 million paid to Perkins Coie.
New York Times reporter Ken Vogel said at the time that Elias denied involvement in the anti-Trump dossier. When Vogel tried to report the story, he said, Elias “pushed back vigorously, saying ‘You (or your sources) are wrong.’” Times reporter Maggie Haberman declared, “Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.”
It was not just reporters who inquired about the Clinton campaign’s role in the Steele dossier. John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, was questioned by Congress and categorically denied any contractual agreement with Fusion GPS. Sitting beside him was Elias, who reportedly said nothing to correct the misleading information given to Congress.
Back to the latest Elias filing. There is a pending case before the Supreme Court in Louisiana v. Callais that could curtail or end the use of race to set voting districts to favor black voters under the federal Voting Rights Act.
However, this is a novel claim that, even in a gerrymandered state striving to reduce Republican members, a district is racist because it favors the election of a Republican Thus, as Professor Josh Blackman noted “in a district where Democratic voters cannot elect a Democrat, they can bring a VRA claim, even in an overwhelmingly democratic state where there is not even a scintilla of evidence of racial discrimination.” However, the opposite is not true. In a red state with overwhelming Republican majorities, a district that effectively bars the election of a Republican could not be grounds for a VRA claim.
The filing proclaims that the heavily Democratic gerrymandered state shows that “New York has become a national leader in protecting voting rights.” It emphasizes that the state goes further than the federal VRA:
“the NY VRA does not require the plaintiff to show that a district could have been drawn that would have a majority of residents of a single protected class. A plaintiff need only show that the current district map is responsible for the protected class’s lack of electoral influence based on the existence of racially polarized voting or the totality of the circumstances.”
The filing makes clear that Black and Latino voters support Democrats and thus a Republican member favoring the GOP dilutes their votes:
“Black and Latino voters on Staten Island are politically cohesive and consistently and overwhelmingly support the same candidates, which the rest of the electorate consistently opposes. At the same time, the white majority on Staten Island overwhelmingly supports the same candidates and votes as a bloc to usually defeat Black and Latino voters’ candidates of choice.”
In other words (with translation):
“Black and Latino voters on Staten Island are politically cohesive and consistently and overwhelmingly support [Democrats], which the rest of the [District] opposes. At the same time, the white majority on Staten Island overwhelmingly supports [Republicans] and votes as a bloc to usually defeat Black and Latino voters’ [Democratic] candidates of choice.”
So, even in a state that has artificially reduced Republican members and is claimed as a model of districting to enhance minority voters, any district that favors Republicans is still evidence of racist discrimination in voting. Presumably, the only way to truly guarantee the protection of minority voters in New York City is the effective elimination of any Republican member.
SMILE……
A new report warns that the Democrat Party’s embrace of abortion up to birth and leftist rhetoric on issues like LGBTQ has alienated voters, with 70% of Americans now viewing the party as “out of touch,” according to polling from a center-left advocacy group.
Rabble:
Good, conflicting narratives. They say our birth rate is low, but also are encouraging women to abort like it’s going out of style (which I hope it is). Also, many center-of-far-left people are breaking from the left, at least more towards center/indep, which is leading to realizations of how the democrats have been globalist-fagola destroying our country and planet for the last 60 years.
Abortion up to birth is needed because, when the fetus dies, it can become a bacterial feast, generating poison that will kill the mother. Rarely, there are cases where it is clear the fetus won’t survive birth. They have no developed lungs, or a digestive system, the brain is not inside the skull, there is no brain. There is no risk the fetus will survive but there is a risk the birth process will lead to any number of complications that kill the mother.
Without legal abortion access doctors cannot act, even to save the life of the mother, because every trial carries the chance a jury will find that the mother wasn’t dead yet, and therefore it wasn’t necessary. And if the woman miscarries in the Emergency Room, a spontaneous abortion, they could also find that the staff failed to act in a way to stop it. Spontaneous abortion can also be fatal for the mother, but the ER staff might force the woman to leave to avoid the abortion happening on hospital property.
Some states are making helping a woman after a spontaneous abortion illegal or allowing open season by anyone to file lawsuits against doctors and any other people trying to help the woman survive.
Because of this, many gynecologists no longer risk having pregnant women as patients. Obstetricians have closed their practices and moved to states with legal abortion in order to avoid accusation for events over which they have no control.
Medical schools in those states will no longer discuss what is required to save the life of the mother as that veers too close for the legislators to supporting abortion.
A dog returns to its vomit
Republican majorities when they did not get the majority of the votes is evidence of racism.
Not sure what you’re getting at, but there can never be any litmus test for choice of candidates in voting; the crux of the matter, here, is that Biden’s open-borders created an illegal and inequitable voting bloc that uses neither knowledge nor logic for it’s votes, but casts votes in a symbiotic relationship with its owed-host. Disgusting.
*. It’s the old question: who is my neighbor. Because God answered that neighbor encompasses all neighbors or archetypal neighbors to aware of at all times. It’s the neighbor nearest your home, nearest your town, county, State, nation. James Monroe must have been a Christian, Bec.
Dianna Bec,
Undocumented immigrants are not allowed to vote for US President in any US state. Many Latinos, the majority of those entering the country, are deeply religious and tend to vote for Conservative candidates. This is the case among Cuban-Americans in Florida.
The move against Latino immigrants with the level of abuse that ICE is using is a wake-up call to any children born to them in the US, those children being potential Republican voters, who the Republicans are trying to un-Constitutionally deport.
“Those children” [of Latinso immigrants] ARE NOT guaranteed Republican voters—that is a disingenuous statement, and it is certainly not the issue!
First of all, no evil-selfish dems [who want a one-party system] would ever assent to importing high numbers of potential “republican voters,” and this claim of yours outright-ridiculous and scurrilous.
Second, though we all KNOW that the right to vote is not the legal province of the UNdocumented (against the law), for those seeking nothing but subsidies (with NO allegiance to this country), we also KNOW that the dem-controls and allowance for illegal voting at the polls, for undocumented voting is real, as real and easy as getting a driver’s license. Get off your illogical and fake justifications for unimpeded law-breaking, and see the reality.
So much for the inclusion that ‘all men are created equal’ within the United States Declaration of Independence. Seems as though the U S has evolved in being more racially biased than ever.
Diversity (e.g. racism, sexism, etc) or DEIsm (i.e. institutional, systemic Diversity)? A fetus… feature of Democratic duplicity. #HateLovesAbortion
The overwhelming singular failure of the American republic rights and freedoms experiment has been voters allowing the continued existence of the vile and violent, seditious DNC and their equally vile members like GeorgeX. The Democrats who blame the chaos they’ve created on the Supreme Court, not themselves: the Court that has given them what they couldn’t get at the ballot box.
The Confederate DNC who have now embraced Marx/Alinsky’s communist strategies, carried out by police state fascist Democrat lawyers like Marc Elias since losing the Kluxxer Civil War and now put their fellow communists like Justices Jackson and Sotomayor on SCOTUS, polluting that court in hopes of continuing to get from SCOTUS what voters consistently reject at the ballot box. Those Democrat communist judges are always willing to side with Democrat lawyers like Marc Elias.
And while GeorgeX and other communist Democrats want to blame SCOTUS – at the same time they howl in delight at the actions of Jackson and Sotomayor that they worked so hard to put on SCOTUS and find in favor of their lawyers like Marc Elias.
GerryPandering
Elias should have investigated President Trump and his cronies involvement with Epstein and the coverup of the Epstein files!
For Elias to do just that, he would have had to represent all his own friends, silly.
Elias was one of Clinton’s Night Riders. Not just with their felonious Russia Dossier, but as always, accompanying BJ Clinton on his trysts that including flights to Epstein Island where there were more underage whores.
Which is why Hillary Clinton and Obama covered whatever you now believe is in those Epstein files. And while Biden was going to almost any fraudulent scheme to take out Trump so he couldn’t defeat him in the 2024 election, he didn’t race to “leak” the Epstein Files while police state fascist lawfare was failing in the courts.
Tell the adults in the room what Obama and Biden were hiding in those files that would have cast shade on Trump’s 2024 campaign or now his presidency.
Careful Anonymous, your Heroes Bill and Hillary visited Epstein island.
Be sure to review your bogus accusations during the “Biden Years” 2021-2025, or were they covering up for Trump during those years ??? The stupid …… it burns.
Let’s put George Clooney in front of the “Epstein” Oversight Committee.
*. This is such a perverse argument , PT, it deserves nothing but file 13.
OT: The worthless congress is doing its dog and pony show one clown short of a circus.
Is it “one clown short,” or one clown too many?
It doesn’t rise to circus level, one trick pony. Americans need to amend the ratio and cut the house to 2 reps. It really won’t matter as bureaucrats run the gubment. If dems regain the House the pony will impeach day after day again. They’re stupid.
Hey give the guy a break. He’s just taking his orders right from the top. If you’re black and you vote for Trump you ain’t black. He’ll put you all back in chains. We’ll have all these darkies voting for us for the next fifty years if we push this legislation through. Hush, it’s not really about them it’s about us.
Elias denying any involvement in the Steele dossier can be easily explained when we know it’s all about them keeping the power and the money by any means necessary including the shooting of Republicans and their children in the back of the head. Since the publication of The Prince by Machiavelli people of moral character have recognized and denounced such an approach to life. However Mr. Elias has fully embraced the concept allowing the fattening of his career and his pocket book. There is many a man sitting in prison who also believed that he should be allowed to take whatever he wants by any means necessary. So we have here in Mr. Elias, a hero held on high by the Democratic Party marching dutifully in tune to the Machiavellian national anthem. Is anyone surprised.
What’s the demographic breakdown of the 42 M on Snap?
George X keeps crying about the Young Republicans scandal, where they were exposed for texting and emailing like Democrat operatives. But George X won’t believe his lying eyes telling him about the ongoing DNC Biden administration scandal. Where Marc Elias’s fellow Washington DC Bar Association lawyers, Attorney General Garland and his hand picked Special Counsel Jack Smith, similarly went full police state fascist Laverenty Beria to investigate over 460 Republicans, whether elected, working for Republicans, businesses associated with Republicans, etc. Or to investigate Republican groups that didn’t even exist at the time.
Honest AG’s select special counsels for bias free investigations of THEIR president – not the other party and it’s nominee that are a threat to their reelection. Democrat Attorney Generals do the opposite.
Jack Smith ‘Arctic Frost’ Subpoena Targeted Nonprofit that Didn’t Even Exist on Jan. 6, 2021
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/cnsnews/craig-bannister/2025/10/30/jack-smith-arctic-frost-subpoena-targeted-firm-didnt-even
One of the more than 400 Republican/conservative entities targeted for covert surveillance by former special counsel Jack Smith’s 197 subpoenas didn’t even exist at the time that Smith was supposedly investigating. The massive breadth, false pretense and apparent political agenda of Smith’s investigation were exposed Wednesday.
One of those entities, a conservative nonprofit named America First Legal (AFL), posted news and an image of the subpoena targeting it on social media: “Whistleblower docs reveal Jack Smith demanded AFL records in the Biden FBI’s ‘Arctic Frost’ operation — a witch hunt used to spy on conservatives and target 430+ Trump allies. This is an unprecedented weaponization of the Department Of Justice against America First patriots.” AFL then followed up with a post explaining that there was no reason for Smith and Biden’s FBI to surveil it regarding the January 6 riot and its alleged election interference scheme they claimed to be investigating: “REMINDER: America First Legal DID NOT EXIST on January 6, 2021. But Jack Smith subpoenaed us anyway. Because this was NEVER about democracy — it was ALWAYS Democrat police state fascism.”
Indeed, America First Legal was founded on April 6, 2021 – two months after the Capitol riot took place.
Those people who participated in or supported the Jan 6th riot then formed groups to expand their efforts into other areas? It’s like finding a bunch of street dealers have formed a cartel. You investigate the cartel even if the initial investigation was into selling drugs on a street corner.
This man [Mark Elias] must be be disbarred! Anyone, and everyone, who participated in the slander and fraud of the Russian-Dossier to Crossfire Hurricane, from the wasteful use of tax dollars to the abuses of government agencies and the courts MUST be prosecuted.
SLANDER: the speaking of base and defamatory words tending to prejudice another in his reputation, community standing, office, trade, business or means of livelihood (Blacks, 6th ed.).
Dianna Bec says: This man [Mark Elias] must be be disbarred!
You might as well wish for every day to be Christmas Day. Marc Elias joins the long list of unindicted Washington DC Bar Association Democrat lawyers who have committed felonies and aren’t even disciplined for professional misconduct, much less prosecuted (except for Comey just this month).
That would include every Obama Attorney General, FBI Director, FBI lawyer, etc who committed perjury under oath in Judge Boasberg’s FISA courts to obtain fraudulent FISA counterespionage warrants. And of course Marc Elias, also a member of that bar association who illegally bankrolled foreign spies to write that Russia Dossier and then filed fraudulent tax returns to hide it.
That Washington DC Bar Association’s rules of conduct compels it’s members, even if not doing legal work in an administration or sitting as prosecutors or judges, to file notices with their bar association of a fellow member acting illegally or with subversive bias in legal matters.
So part of the reason Marc Elias will not be disbarred is this: go to that bar association’s website. Search all their archives of complaints made against members for perjury or for malfeasance in the practice of law, and you won’t find a single notice of malpractice or criminal conduct filed.
Including none filed by Professor Turley, our host and Marc Elias and James Comey’s fellow Democrat lawyer and member of the same bar association. They all accept malfeasance and felonies without complaint.
Would you like to bet on when you will read Professor Turley stating in a column that Comey, Lynch, Mueller, etc along with Marc Elias should be disbarred?
The list of democrat-Marxist UNindicted is long, agreed,
but this low hanging rotten-fruit [Elias], would be a good start, or shall we say a booby prize, that would suffice in the pursuit of justice: call it example or tit for tat, but note that his “voting” influence reaches far into the illegal-immigrant problem, and that’s a good place to start.
Of course I love to see Obama, the big fish, INDICTED, but this is surely is too much of a win to ask for. Nevertheless, we cannot give up on at least pointing out the obvious need and call for “correction,” just because these felons are well-connected.
….Not looking for the Bar Association [Washington social club] to Disbar this DEVIANT [Elias], but hoping for Disbarment as part of an indictment and verdict brought against him by the Bondi DOJ….still too much to ask?
The Bar Association does not have the power to disbar any lawyer.
Only a court can disbar a lawyer. Generally, this function falls to the highest court of a state.
The Bar Association can only make a complaint which the court then considers.
And literally ANYONE can make such a complaint, not just the Bar Association.
The list of democrat-Marxist UNindicted is long, agreed, but this low hanging rotten-fruit [Elias], would be a good start
That’s lower hanging fruit than the years long RICO conspirators that pushed what they knew to be false and felonious ‘Russia Dossier’? The Obama Attorney Generals and FBI directors that repeatedly perjured themselves in front of Judge Boasberg’s courtrooms – where he allowed it to continue after investigative journalists were exposing who created and paid for it. And only after the warrants he issued had been used to deprive thousands of Americans of their 1st and 4th Amendment civil rights by color of law had lost their destructive value, only then did his FISA courts declare those warrants illegitimate and no longer in force.
You really sure Elias is even lower hanging fruit than the Democrat politicians, their bureaucrats, and their judges that worked collaboratively in that RICO crime wave that extended over years, and continued through courtrooms across America pushed by their ‘Russia Dossier’ co-conspirator prosecutors who perjured themselves in other courts i.e. the court that tried General Flynn?
Some may actually end up indicted i.e. Comey. But the Trump administration didn’t go after them during his first term, and they aren’t going to do much better in his second term.
And Elias… you may as well wish for every day to be Christmas Day. Professor Turley isn’t even going to report him to the Washington DC Bar Association they are both members of – despite their bar’s Professional Code Of Conduct saying that when on of their members like Professor Turley that knows another member like Marc Elias has violated that code, they must report that malfeasance to the bar.
There are no ethics within the ranks of Democrat lawyers – just a range of different levels of lack of ethics and misconduct. Professor Turley is certainly much better than Elias, Comey, et al… but that’s as far as it goes.
Silence is compliance.
Dianna Bec,
What would Obama be indicted for? Have you got proof and are willing to swear to it before a court?
Obama: a failed President who harmed the American people. Here are some of the potential charges, but nothing will be done, because Americans realize that there is harm in trying to prove such things, even though these are legitimate. The same cannot be said for Democrats, who will go after anything in an effort to feed their raw power. Today’s Democrats are anti-American and cause great harm.
IRS targeting of conservative groups. He weaponized the tax system
Fast and furious: reckless law enforcement.
NSA Domestic Surveillance: His own party members, such as Ron Wyden, warned the administration.
Iran Nuclear Deal: Cash transfer
Benghazi: Lied and security negligence.
You complain about Trump, but he has abided by every court decision while protecting the American people and people abroad.
Necessary and long over-due indictments: Obama was head of Fast-and-furious arms sales, anti-American politics, which go deeper than your fake-news ever reported, and for which he was never held accountable.
His crimes are many:
Like the overthrow of the Libyan government and the Benghazi betrayal and murder (sacrifice) of our U.S. Ambassador, Chris Stevens.
Don’t forget Crossfire-Hurricane— a political-crime thousand times more criminal than Watergate. AND there’s M O R E !
You sure do have a short memory. Or perhaps you’re too much of sycophant to understand reality.
“This man [Mark Elias] must be be disbarred!”
If you trust a group of lawyers to do that, you will crash and burn. Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can. My faith is revived by TPUSA on the campuses. The latest at the University of Mississippi is reported on by Douglas Murray.
https://nypost.com/2025/10/30/opinion/turning-point-usas-extraordinary-crowd-with-jd-vance-shows-how-young-people-are-hungry-for-purpose/?utm_campaign=nyp_postopinion&utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20251031&lctg=62680bbe38a279b1870b18c5&utm_term=NYP%20-%20Post%20Opinion
Not asking for his fellow “group of lawyers” to give him over, unless that includes Bondi….
just because this miscreant [Elias] is well connected, it does not mean we don’t call for his indictment and call for justice. We must keep on reminding them that we see the criminality, we want it judged, and we will never forget.
The Clinton/Obama/Biden crimes against taxpayers and the resulting voting-FRAUD they perpetrated via their Steel-Dossier and their Crossfire Hurricane was a thousand times worse than Watergate, and we should NEVER let flying-monkeys like Elias EVER live it down!!!
“unless that includes Bondi….” 🙂
“unless that includes Bondi….” 🙂 I completely agree with you. We didn’t put some of them in jail during the first administration, and we are now seeing what those same people did in the second. Penalties must be applied, or we will get more of the same.
I supported Trump because he came from the outside, and after his first term, I realized he was the only one who would have the guts and ability to do the job. If Hillary had gone to jail, much of this nonsense would not have occurred.
Here we note further evidence of Meyer’s disturbed thought processes.
He proclaims, “Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can.”
Apparently, Meyer is incapable of understanding that “lawyer groups” are composed of “individual lawyers”. If individual lawyers can be trusted, then groups of such trustworthy lawyers must also be trusted.
This is the type of irrational thinking found in many of the psychiatric disorders which afflict Meyer.
Perhaps Meyer believes that a “lawyer group” is some amorphous, ill-defined entity with no identifiable individual members that exists in some higher dimension, and acts to subvert “individual lawyers” in the course of their duties.
Sigmund is back for more humiliation. OK, you’re humiliated.
Groups frequently don’t think; they conform; a consistent finding in social psychology.
Here Meyer tries to make some sort of point that makes absolutely no sense, while apparently believing that he has discovered some profound insight that nobody else has ever considered.
The statement, “Groups frequently don’t think” is an absurdity, but it clearly makes sense to the deranged Meyer.
Groups NEVER think. It is not a matter that they “frequently don’t think”. This statement would assume that a group occasionally does think, which is an impossibility, since the “group” does not possess a common brain with which to think.
However, the individuals within a group obviously can think, and Meyer asserts that “individual lawyers” can be trusted. Therefore the decision of the group must be trustworthy.
Meyer also states that groups “conform” without actually considering what they “conform” to.
If the “individual lawyers” can be trusted as Meyer asserts, and as a group they also “conform”, then obviously they must conform to what “trusted lawyers” believe to be correct. If not, then obviously individual lawyers cannot be trusted, so Meyer would have disproven his own hypothesis, which is hardly surprising given the disturbed nature of his thinking.
I believe the humiliation belongs to Meyer.
Sigmund, you seem so proud of discovering that groups don’t *literally* have a single brain. Congratulations on catching up to eighth-grade civics.
My point, you accidentally validated, while trying to sound clever, is that individuals in groups often conform rather than think independently. That’s Social Psychology 101 (Milgram, look him up)
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So thank you for proving the psychological principle you thought you were rebutting.
Now take a deep breath. You’re arguing with a point that exists only in your head, not in my comment.
Sigmund, you use a lot of words to build a maze you can’t think your way out of.
Meyer continues to ramble incoherently, believing that he is making some relevant and cogent point.
He continues to assert that groups often conform, rather than think independently, without actually considering what the group conforms to.
He has already asserted that “individual lawyers” can be trusted. If they can be trusted then they will “conform” to some ideal decision that must be correct. If not, then the original assertion that “individual lawyers” can be trusted must be false, and we cannot trust “individual lawyers”.
This is similar to the deranged thinking in MAGA world that the medical system is corrupt, except of course for MY doctors. MY doctors are brilliant and take excellent care of me , but all the other doctors are corrupt leftists attempting to subvert the delivery of health care and keep everyone in a state of illness.
Completely deranged and insane thinking.
As an aside, I wonder what Meyer believes is taught in 8th grade civics. He seems to think that civics classes include neurology as part of the curriculum. When I took these classes, they covered the structure and function of government, the rights and responsibilities of citizens and so on.
I don’t recall any subject matter related to neurology.
But then again what else can we really expect from Meyer’s deranged thinking.
Chatty, aren’t you? You’re debating a premise I never stated and stacking conclusions on your own invention. That isn’t reasoning; it’s self-dialogue. When you’re ready to respond to what I actually wrote, not what you need me to have said, let me know.
Here is Meyer’s original premise, verbatim, “Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can.”
We have analyzed this premise and pointed out that there is an inherent logical fallacy.
There is no useful purpose in repeating this analysis.
Now Meyer seems to deny that that he made this statement. He now claims that this is not his premise and I am putting words in his mouth.
Denial of past statements is a common defense mechanism used by those afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder. This is done to protect their very fragile self-esteem and delusions of grandiosity. They often deny previous statements and try to blame others for deliberately distorting what was said. This is what Meyer is now attempting with us. He is trying to claim that his original premise is not that which he clearly annunciated.
This is classic narcissistic personality disorder.
Am I boring you yet ??
If so, feel free to ignore me !!
Sigmund, Let’s fix your confusion:
Dianna:
“This man [Mark Elias] must be disbarred!”
Me:
“If you trust a group of lawyers to do that, you will crash and burn. Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can. My faith is revived by TPUSA on the campuses.”
That’s the statement. Clear. Direct. In context.
You couldn’t challenge that, so you invented a different version and argued with your own fabrication. That isn’t debate; it’s self-dialogue dressed as intellect.
Next time, argue with the words on the page instead of the voices in your head.
Here we note how Meyer is attempting to distort his original assertion.
Let’s analyze Meyer’s statement sentence by sentence.
He states, “If you trust a group of lawyers to do that, you will crash and burn.”
This is a type 1 conditional sentence that proposes “IF” you trust a group of lawyers then you will be sadly disappointed. However this sentence alone does not say “WHY” you will be disappointed.
Meyer then posits his premise “Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can”, as an explanation for WHY you will “crash and burn”.
This is his clearly stated premise.
As I have explained, this premise is logically fallacious.
As I have explained “lawyer groups” are composed of “individual lawyers”. If individual lawyers can be trusted, then groups of such trustworthy lawyers must also be trusted.
Meyer seems to believe that “individual lawyers” can be trusted, but in a group they cannot be trusted. If this is true then the “individual lawyers” were never trustworthy in the first place.
However the mentally disturbed Meyer is incapable of proposing or following a logical argument.
His multiple psychiatric disorders render him incapable of rational, logical thought.
Your twisted brain and your twisted logic go together. The statement I made is evident to any normal brain.
Here we note Meyer’s use of psychological projection as a defense mechanism.
This is very common in those afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder.
Meyer is subconsciously aware that I am correct and that his logic is faulty, but he projects that insecurity onto me, claiming that I am the one who is “twisted”. This defense mechanism allows him to maintain his delusions of grandiosity, protect his ego, and to affirm his belief that he is always right in all things.
We should also note that Meyer always resorts to insults when his delusions of grandiosity are challenged. This is also a very common defense mechanism employed by narcissists. These individuals use insults to protect their self-esteem, believing that insults will prove that their antagonists are wrong.
We also note his interesting statement, “The statement I made is evident to any normal brain.”
This is an example of the false consensus effect, which is an effect found in low functioning individuals who believe that they are representative of the majority of the population at large. He believes that he has a “normal brain”, which is actually abnormal, and that “everyone” would recognize his normality, since everyone else is just like him.
Meyer continues to display a multitude of psychiatric disorders and insecurities.
“…onto me, claiming that I am the one who is ‘twisted.’”
Sigmund, when logic is badly twisted, it reflects its producer, the mind behind it. Anyone who reads your replies sees how your reasoning is contorted to reach the outcome you want; a loony word salad.
Now, let’s return to the actual point and give you another chance to address what was written, not whatever narrative you’ve invented.
Dianna said:
“This man [Mark Elias] must be disbarred!”
I responded:
“If you trust a group of lawyers to do that, you will crash and burn. Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can. My faith is revived by TPUSA on the campuses.”
Skip the pseudo-psychology and explain the specifics of what is wrong with the above dialogue. If you disagree, make an argument. Don’t demonstrate your diagnostic ignorance.
Here we note that Meyer simply repeats his remarks over and over again without any significant attempt to explain what he means.
Perseveration of this type is a common symptom of obsessive-compulsive disorder and schizophrenia.
We have explained the logical fallacy of Meyer’s remarks several times. Meyer’s responses have been to simply cast insults and repeat his remarks with a claim that they “obviously” make sense. Further explanation of his fallacious remarks would seem to be pointless.
We should also note that the illusory truth effect may be at play here. This effect is found in low functioning individuals who believe certain things to be true simply because they are repeated very often, even though they initially know them to be false.
Individuals with schizophrenia are particularly susceptible to this effect. It is thought that this susceptibility is a major contributor to the development and maintenance of the delusions typically found in these patients.
Meyer continues to demonstrate his multiple psychiatric disorders, and his perseveration simply confirms our suspicions regarding his mental health.
Skip the pseudo-psychology garbage and explain the specifics of what is wrong with the dialogue below.
Dianna said:
“This man [Mark Elias] must be disbarred!”
I responded:
“If you trust a group of lawyers to do that, you will crash and burn. Lawyer groups cannot be trusted, though individual lawyers can. My faith is revived by TPUSA on the campuses.”
Sigmund is stuck putting phrases together that are meaningless in any discussion. He is making himself sound like a psychiatric mess.
The inherent logical fallacy of Meyer’s remarks has been explained with specificity 3 times now.
Clearly, further attempts at explanation are pointless, since Meyer is obviously not paying attention, while simply perseverating over this demand that has already been met.
His inability to pay attention to our explanation obviously raises the distinct possibility that Meyer also suffers from attention deficit disorder.
The list of his psychiatric disorders grows ever longer.
You failed. Everyone knows but you.
Here again, we note Meyer’s clear symptom of alogia, or paucity of speech. Alogia manifests as speech patterns that are almost totally devoid of both content and meaning. The speech involves short terse statements of very few words that also have very little obvious meaning except to the patient. Alogia is a consequence of frontal lobe dysfunction, and is most common in schizophrenia, the various schizoid personality disorder types and bipolar disorder.
This latest comment by Meyer is a classic example of alogia.
The comment is completely devoid of meaning.
He claims that we failed, but failed at what ???
He claims that “Everyone knows but you”, but does not say what everyone knows.
Apparently this comment has some meaning for Meyer, but in reality it is completely devoid of meaning.
We should also note Meyer’s recurring susceptibility to the false consensus effect, whereby low functioning individuals believe that their views are representative of the vast majority of people, and that “everyone” agrees with them.
Meyer’s statement, “Everyone knows but you”, is classic false consensus effect, as seen in a low functioning individual.
You failed again. I don’t have to do a thing but let you talk and make a fool of yourself.
Here we note that Meyer continues to exhibit symptoms of alogia, with overtones of perseveration.
He simply repeats his unexplained “failure” motif, a clear example of alogia.
This repetition is typical of the perseveration seen in obsessive-compulsive disorder, schizophrenia, and attention deficit disorder.
Unfortunately, with every comment Meyer continues to confirm the vast array of his psychiatric disorders.
Sigmund, you failed badly and lost! You made yourself appear as a fool! Finally, when you were on your rocking horse, did you fall off and hit your head? It seems that way.
Here we note Meyer’s continued perseveration with the vague accusation of failure, without actually defining the nature of the failure, consistent with his symptoms of alogia. This meaningless statement clearly continues to have meaning in his disturbed mind.
This perseveration is becoming chronic, having been used three times now, and is indicative of profound obsessive-compulsive disorder.
We also note that Meyer is perseverating with an accusation that I am a fool. This indicates the diagnosis of delusional personality disorder of the grandiose type.
There are two recognized subtypes of delusional disorder, persecutory and grandiose. Persecutory type, as its name suggests, is manifested as delusions that others are conspiring to abuse and harm the affected individual. Grandiose type is seen as delusions of grandiosity and superiority that lead the sufferer to believe that all others are fools in comparison to themselves.
These patients often attempt to demean others by using childish insults. We see that here with Meyer’s rocking horse insult.
Sigmund fails again. He can’t seem to get enough of failure or humiliation. But since yesterday’s fall off the rocking horse, his mommie has installed a seat belt.
Yet again we see Meyer’s use of the “failure” accusation without defining the nature of the failure, as would be expected with someone suffering from schizophrenia and exhibiting the symptom of alogia. This “failure” is obviously something that only he can perceive, and this remark obviously only makes sense to him.
Meyer’s remarkable degree of perseveration continues both with the failure accusation and the rocking horse insult, indicating that his obsessive-compulsive disorder is firmly entrenched and will be very difficult to treat.
The prognosis for Meyer is not good considering the multitude of other psychiatric disorders with which he is afflicted.
Yesterday, you were both a failure and a flop. I hope in addition to the seatbelt on your rocking horse, your mother glued you to the saddle.
Here again we note Meyer’s remarkably obsessive repetition of the failure accusation and rocking horse insult. He continues to use short statements devoid of meaning, other than meaning to himself, consistent with the now well established symptom of alogia associated with schizophrenia.
This obsession with falling off a rocking horse is quite interesting.
We begin to wonder if Meyer suffered some traumatic incident in childhood related to a rocking horse that may actually be the root cause of his multiple psychiatric disorders.
The involvement of a mother figure in this insult also raises the possibility that Meyer had a difficult relationship with his mother that he now projects on to others. Perhaps his mother was somehow involved in the traumatic rocking horse incident. Perhaps his statements about seat belts and being glued to a rocking horse by his mother are events that have haunted him all his life and which he now projects as a defense mechanism.
The intricacies of Meyer’s pathological psyche become ever more fascinating by the day.
If you keep practicing concentration camp psychology, you might accidentally get it right.
This is an interesting comment by Meyer.
It is a short, terse comment devoid of meaning that is typical of the symptom of alogia, commonly seen in schizophrenia. Meyer has demonstrated this symptom repeatedly, so we can be confident that it is real.
However, we are particularly interested in the comment, “you might accidentally get it right”.
This appears to be an admission by Meyer that he has psychiatric problems, but that our diagnoses have been not quite right. This is entirely possible. Meyer may have other additional diagnoses that have not been revealed at this juncture.
We can only wait in anticipation for his other diagnoses to be revealed.
A truly fascinating case that will be the subject of many textbook case studies.
You are a nutcase. There is no need to say more than that. Your responses provide the proof.
Here we note that Meyer continues his insults with nothing really substantive to say.
At this point we must wonder why he keeps returning here and responding. He seems to relish the humiliation of having his psychiatric disorders exposed.
This raises that possibility that Meyer enjoys humiliation, which would indicate a masochistic disorder. Perhaps this is the additional disorder that Meyer alluded to with his comment that “we might accidentally get it right” with regard to his many psychiatric disorders. Perhaps this is the additional diagnosis that we have heretofore not recognized. This would explain his rather cryptic statement suggesting that he himself is aware of further diagnoses.
This is developing into a really fascinating case that will be the subject of many textbooks and clinical publications.
Nutcase.
Here we have Sigmund Fool attempting another round of incoherent fraudulent gaslighting: Here Meyer tries to make some sort of point that makes absolutely no sense
Whether its gaslighting attempted by using the illumination fueled by the fumes of snorting it’s own farts, it’s still Sigmund Fool’s childish irrational gaslighting.
Gaslighting
Gaslighting is the intended psychological manipulation by a low-IQ perpetrator of those they hope to victimize through intentionally misleading that person or persons. This involves the perpetrator lying, denying events, and other methods used with the intent to have their victims doubt their perceptions of reality, memories, and feel overly emotional or irrational. Within personal relationships, it is a form of psychological abuse and torture. The main five methods of gaslighting that may be used alone or in conjunction with others are: lying, blame shifting, countering, trivializing and withholding.
Fraudulent Sigmund wrote: As a constitutional expert as well as professional psychoanalyst, I find Meyer to be incapable of understanding that “lawyer groups” are composed of “individual lawyers”. If individual lawyers can be trusted, then groups of such trustworthy lawyers must also be trusted.
And because these “lawyer groups” legally (termed to be bar associations) have a few trustworthy lawyers – (trustworthy despite none of them complying with their professional code of conduct requiring them to report the felonies and malfeasance of so many of the other members of that bar association -) this is allegedly Sigmund Proof that the bar association that allows that criminality must therefore be deemed to also be trustworthy.
This is how Fraudulent Sigmund attempts to convince you of his brilliance. His fuel tank is so empty that he’s dimly running on what is left of the fumes.
Gaslighting
Gaslighting is the intended psychological manipulation by a low-IQ perpetrator of those they hope to victimize through intentionally misleading that person or persons. This involves the perpetrator lying, denying events, and other methods used with the intent to have their victims doubt their perceptions of reality, memories, and feel overly emotional or irrational. Within personal relationships, it is a form of psychological abuse and torture. The main five methods of gaslighting that may be used alone or in conjunction with others are: lying, blame shifting, countering, trivializing and withholding.
This man [Mark Elias] must be be disbarred? Anyone, and everyone, who participated in the slander and fraud of the Russian-Dossier to Crossfire Hurricane, from the wasteful use of tax dollars to the abuses of government agencies and the courts MUST be prosecuted.
SLANDER: the speaking of base and defamatory words tending to prejudice another in his reputation, community standing, office, trade, business or means of livelihood (Blacks, 6th ed.).
I’m an American. My ancestors first arrived here in 1607. I want my country invaded by people who were denied citizenship and various and sundry other illegal aliens past and present. I want to give all my money and private property to parasitic foreign invaders as welfare. Those are my deepest longings and greatest desires as an unhyphenated and patriotic, actual American.
I’m an American. I’m a Native American, the only REAL Americans.
My ancestors arrived more than 20,000 years ago.
My country was invaded in 1607 by a bunch of white European illegal aliens who brought smallpox, dysentery, typhoid, measles, influenza and diphtheria.
This invasion of disease carrying aliens caused great suffering and hardship among the populations of my REAL American ancestors.
Things have been going downhill ever since.
Rabble:
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Every landmass got conquered. Maybe your ancestors should’ve been tougher.
Liar!
Of course, everyone agrees, it is unconstitutional to be an Actual Real American.
Illegal Alien Foreign Invaders and Hyphenates Only Please.
All blacks and latinos vote democrat. That stereotype damages a minority within a minority. Black and latino candidates and voters who are republican. Increasing with each election. Republicans have the heavy lift to meet that trust by governance that sets the table for better outcomes for everybody. Done right, it is possible to imagine a Republican redistricting that protects a black or latino republican voting block because it is just that. Republican. It would be harmonious if some democrats abandoned the optics that attend calling those republicans race traitors.
Professor Turley is attempting to save his fellow Washington DC Democrat lawyer Marc Elias with faint criticism – he’s “controversial”??? No, Marc Elias is an unindicted felon for both his multiple criminal acts as the bagman illegally paying foreign spies for the felonious Obama/Clinton Russia Dossier. He then filed fraudulent IRS tax returns claiming that the millions of dollars he received from Clinton and Obama to pass on to those spies was money that stayed in his pockets, paid to him for legal services he provided.
Washington DC’s Democrat lawyers never go to jail – other Democrat lawyers in Washington either as judges or prosecutors ensure that never happens.
Not only is he still not indicted – he is also still Professor Turley’s fellow Democrat member of the Washington DC Bar Association in equally good standing. A sleazy bar association that has a professional code of ethics in name only.
Unindicted felon is an oxymoron.
But that oxymoron has never been pointed out in all the times it was directed at Trump after Clinton got blown out in the water in the 2016 election. Now, how common is that glaring double standard???
BTW… other than that, is there anything factually wrong with the observations that were made in that post where an oxymoron suddenly caught your attention.
That is not an oxymoron, a jumbo shrimp is an oxymoron.
Elias cares nothing for the nation, cares nothing about the violence and deaths. He’s playing a football game.
Reminds me of Daniel Sheehan with his bogus Christic Institute in the case of Avirgan v. Hull. Largest Rule 11 sanction at the time. But these guys keep on going with impunity. Lawfare for lawfare sake.
He is a despicable human being who would have been a loyal member of the politburo under Stalin. I wish that he would receive the same type of reward as so many of Stalin’s henchmen received when they fell out of favor. The man should be disbarred and sent to Gaza.
Stalin… politburo… henchman… somebody lost it today.
Somebody today lost it and attempted to deflect when one of the architects of Clinton/Obama/Biden police state fascism, Marc Elias, has his illegal court activities compared to how Stalin used Lavarentiy Beria to create false narratives of treason, followed by political “investigations”, followed by political show trials.
Can you say “Russia Dossier”, little Democrat commie? Sure you can!
Big picture news: the Chinese owned trump’s b hole yet again.
Not surprisingly, Turls responds by amping up his resentment toward Elias, who regularly owns Turley on all things voting rights.
Then again, as I observed yesterday, Turls is preaching to a crew who actually believe billionaires expect nothing in return when they bribe corrupt SCOTUS members. So there’s that.
“Big picture news: the Chinese owned trump’s b hole yet again. Not surprisingly, Turls responds by amping up his resentment toward Elias”
Democrat turds self identify by using the word “Turls” for their host. Have been ever since Gigi started making it part of her schtick. If there’s a Democrat Turd out there who can prove the Biden’s Chi-com owners have also slipped at least a dollar into Trump’s pocket like they did with Biden to buy the White House, everybody in America would want to know it.
These commies want normal Americans to believe that, because both the Obama and Biden administrations sold the country to the Chicoms, Iranian Mad Mullahs, and other foreign enemies, then Trump must be doing it as well, despite the fact he had more money than he can ever spend before entering politics.
Once again we hear from the renowned Anonymous. The self proclaimed knower of all things.
An expert on foreign policy. An expert on the medical practice of removing the body parts of eleven year old children and all its benefits. An expert on the effects of tariffs. An expert on the law.
An expert on MS-13 tattoos on a mans fingers. The list goes on and on. There is however one thing
in which she is not an expert. That one thing is the definition of narcissist often discussed in Psychology Today magazine. Please excuse my prolific examples of her musings in the past when I could have just shortened my discourse to saying she’s just a fricking know it all. You know the type.
You MISREAD and DIS-understand:
Elias “owns” nothing but voting-rights-ABUSES; merely supported by barely-legal tactics and the use of billionaire funds for the destruction of this Union, securing “voting rights” for the non-allegiance of interlopers seeking nothing but subsidies.