The United Kingdom’s public health service is reportedly refusing to release data on the potential relationship between the COVID vaccine and excess deaths. The reason? It would upset people to know the truth. The question is whether British citizens have become so passive and yielding that they will support their government, keeping them from learning the facts about vaccines and allowing them to reach their own conclusions.
The UK has long embraced speech controls and censorship to protect citizens from unacceptable views or what one criminal defendant was told were “toxic ideologies.”
Social media companies assisted governments in censoring opposing scientific views during the pandemic, including those regarding the potential dangers of the vaccines.
Over the years, dissenting faculty members have been forced out of scientific and academic organizations for challenging preferred conclusions on subjects ranging from transgender transitions to COVID-19 protections to climate change. Some were barred from speaking at universities or blacklisted for their opposing views.
Many of the exiled experts were ultimately proven correct in challenging the efficacy of surgical masks or the need to shut down our schools and businesses. Scientists moved like a herd of lemmings on the origin of the virus, crushing those who suggested that the most likely explanation is a lab leak (a position that federal agencies would later embrace).
Scientists have worked with the government in suppressing dissenting views. For example, The Wall Street Journal released a report on how the Biden administration suppressed dissenting views supporting the lab leak theory, as dissenting scientists were blacklisted and targeted.
When experts within the Biden Administration found that the lab theory was the most likely explanation for COVID-19, they were told not to share their data publicly and were warned about being “off the reservation.”
Universities and associations joined the crackdown. Scientists questioning the efficacy of those blue surgical masks and the six-foot rule were suppressed. So were those arguing that we should, as in Europe, keep schools open. These experts were also later vindicated, but few were rehired or reestablished in universities or associations.
It was all done in the name of protecting the public from opposing views or data.
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) shows that little has changed. According to the Telegraph, the agency declared that releasing the data would lead to the “distress or anger” of bereaved relatives if a link were to be discovered. It also suggested that the data might stress or undermine the mental health of the families and friends of people who died.
The story has received little attention in the media, which previously joined efforts to suppress opposing views during the pandemic.
We have no idea what the data actually says, but there should be uniform agreement that the public has a right to know.
The controversy is reminiscent of the position of the British courts on sharing information with patients. In the United States, there is a strong common law in favor of disclosing to patients any risks or complications associated with possible treatments or surgeries. In the UK, the courts took a more deferential view of doctors. As with the agency’s position, the rationale was hard for many in the United States to comprehend, let alone accept. For example, in Sidaway v. Bethlem Royal Hospital (1985), the court rejected the need for a surgeon to inform a patient of a low risk of nerve damage from a laminectomy, writing:
“I confess that I reach this conclusion with no regret. The evidence in this case showed that a contrary result would be damaging to the relationship of trust and confidence between doctor and patient, and might well have an adverse effect on the practice of medicine. It is doubtful whether it would be of any significant benefit to patients, most of whom prefer to put themselves unreservedly in the hands of their doctors.”
The decision to withhold the data on vaccines shows the same arrogant assumptions. If I had a loved one who died from the vaccine, I would like to know about it. The government is essentially arguing a Jessup rule that “you can’t handle the truth.”
We will now see if the British people have lost all self-respect and separation from their government in yielding to this decision.
The left peddles lies, half-truths, misinformation, disinformation, censorship and suppression. Always has. Always will.
The Right says a magic invisible sky man tells them what to do. Half-truths are a significant step up.
We observe more and more manifestations of rule by the Technocracy. I fully understand that certain technical issues require specialists to manage it. But we should not conflate expertise in a particular technology with having superior values required for public decision making. In this case the experts’ goal was to maximize the vaccination of the public in the promotion of public health. In nurturing their goal, the experts need to minimize doubts about the vaccine safety in the minds of the public. But how to go about it? The release of this data and contrasting this data with comparable vaccine data would only increase doubts about the COVID vaccine and thereby prevent the experts from achieving their goal of universal COVID vaccine coverage. So instead of working to achieve public trust by developing, testing, and approving vaccines with injury rates comparable to or better than widely accepted vaccines, the experts are busy obscuring from the public data which if released and analyzed would undermine public trust. Ironically, if the data on COVID vaccine safety were made public, it would probably have the long term effect of engendering a safer solution, thereby satisfying the experts, the public, and promoting public health.
It took time to gather all the data. No one conspired to do anything to harm the American people. 1.2 million Americans died from COVID. That is what they tried to prevent.
Technically the American data is attributed as died with COVID rather than from. We actually do not know how many people died from COVID. I don’t know but can only surmise this was all about reimbursement money.
“So instead of working to achieve public trust by developing, testing, and approving vaccines with injury rates comparable to or better than widely accepted vaccines, ”
Nope. Ridiculous. I know people who participated in these studies and they were done professionally and the results released accurately. The things people construe.
The Prof’s story was that the UK data was not released. Are your suggesting that the UK data was actually publicly released? And from my understanding even in America, the field data documenting COVID injuries is questionable as portraying the full story.
ATS
And before the long long long list of lies from the left
Most of us would believe you
But an anonymous source claiming they know something with out providing evidence and that we should just trust you does not fly toda
Further the problem
Is not with the devolopment
The testing
Or even the injury rates
The problem is the lying
Here’s a clue for you. Vaccines work by creating an inert replica of the functional parts of the viral shell, but not the working contents. The immune system creates an attack system for those replicated parts. Any injury from the vaccine will also be done by the virus but the virus will also do cellular damage as it replicates and enters further cells until the immune system finally gets a handle on the event.
The clever part of the mRNA vaccine is that it contains the instructions for the cells to make those replicas so it’s not necessary to try to reproduce the virus and then figure a way to denature it, a difficult and time consuming process that is difficult to scale up.
Perhaps the US should have waited until 2 million, 3 million, 10 million had died while a decade of inconclusive tests were done to see if the vaccine was as safe as vaccines that are 70, 80, 100 years or more in use; those also did not go through the extensive testing that now seems to be so critical to the path of doing nothing.
Add in that the Trump supporters had been told by the President to not trust any medical approach and, no matter what testing was done, would not be convinced anyway.
One thing the experts are expert at is dealing with stupid people who think everything is a conspiracy. They can’t win them all, as is seen by the number of motorcycle riders without helmets or abrasion resistant clothing.
People must adapt to freedom. Freedom does not adapt to people; dictatorship does.
“It’s the [Constitution], stupid!”
– James Carville
Freedom to shout fire in a theater? Freedom to claim COVID was a hoax?
Adaptation vs. Dictatorship
If you shout “fire,” you save lives.
If there is no fire, there is no harm; panic is a personal decision; deficient people make bad decisions all the time.
Freedom to claim that fire-by-plane downed three NY skyscrapers, that America didn’t land on the moon, or that anything Lincoln did was constitutional (i.e. will Trump impose martial law?).
Try again–harder, much harder
No need.
Your futile “persistence” is duly noted.
Panic is a personal decision. Being trampled to death by a panicked mob is not.
You have the freedom to shout fire in a crowded theater
And you can be banned for life by the theater and face civil damages if someone is hurt
What does claiming Covid was a hoax mean ?
It was a real disease that those in power told lie after lie about
So yes there were lots of Covid hoaxes
Claiming that Covid came directly from bats was a hoax
Claiming that masks worked was a hoax
Nearly every public policy regarding Covid was either a known hoax when first implemented or shortly after
Those of you on the left did massive damage to trust in government
In public health officials
In science
That is the natural consequence of lying over and over
The “falsely crying fire in a theater” line comes from a decision by Oliver Wendell Holmes that has been THOROUGHLY REPUDIATED by the Supreme Court, and it has no place in the law. Popehat wrote a famous piece explaining why people who cite that line automatically lose whatever argument they were making.
The moment you cite Holmes’s thoroughly discredited line about falsely crying fire in a theater, you lose.
The UK, now apparently an Islamic leftist-fascist stronghold, is in an incredible mess. Where’s Oliver Cromwell when you need him?
“UK Health Security Agency”
~+~
MI-Jive
Which caliber of doctor enjoys working in a communist system?
Turley goes vaxxer to whip up his brain dead magats. Hilarious. What a loser. Who needs therapy.
^ Chinese Communist paid troll. Ignore. ^
ATS like a typical left wing nut thinks lying to people because you think you know better but don’t is much moral
Turley goes vaxxer to whip up his brain dead magats. Hilarious. What a loser. Who needs therapy.
Vaxxer? How many times did Fraudulent Fauci assure you that if you were vaccinated, you could not be infected with Wuhan Flu? And how many times were the Oval Office House Plant and the Quack Doctor First Babysitter get infected and then re-infected with Wuhan Flu?
Despite being vaccinated and boosted to the max, and anyone coming anywhere near them required to be similarly vaccinated and boosted?
I would point out there is no way you could ever be even more moronic – but your response would be to say “Challenge accepted – meanwhile, I demand that you agree that I can menstruate and get pregnant because I’m a proud Democrat Marxist Biden Birthing Boy, who self-identifies as a woman”
“How many times did Fraudulent Fauci assure you that if you were vaccinated, you could not be infected with Wuhan Flu?”
None.
Vaccines cause antibodies to be generated to fight an infection. They aren’t a force field and aren’t instantaneous. It is possible to get vaccinated and still have an infection. However, vaccination means the response to fight the infection is faster and the symptoms milder, which means less chance to spread it to others. If enough people are vaccinated then the rate of spread can drop below the rate of infection and the virus is removed from the population.
I speak only for myself.
I did not get COVID, nor did I ever produce a positive test result.
My last COVID vaccine (@5 total shot and boosters) was more than two years ago.
Since then and with no medical intervention:
my sudden six+months of cardiac arrythmias have totally disappeared (“idiopathic etiology”), my gut microbiomes are finally back to normal and fully functioning, and I keep a canister of Clorox wipes in my car–in the event that I am in compromised environments, I simply clean my nostrils/use the wipe like a Kleenex.
(I forgot to say that my cardiac/digestive symptomatology manifested after my second shot/first booster and lasted until about a year after my last booster….)
Lin,
You likely already know that pericarditis and myocarditis are officially recognized as possible side effects from the Covid jab. I believe I also saw them mentioned on the Pfizer Fact Sheet.
Maybe unrelated but have you noticed that with the sharp decline.in injections we don’t hear a lot of news reports of young people dropping over with heart attacks?
Did you know that the same problems happen to those who get covid? Did you also know that news cycles will latch onto the few, possibly coincidental, cases and when there’s no long term connection will stop hammering on the same few examples?
On the other hand, it is clear that ICUs are no longer packed with covid patients in induced comas on ventilators. So let’s compare. Some get a mild heart irritation that they would have gotten if infected without the vaccine or thousands would suffocate in their own juices as their lungs filled with fluid.
Tough choice indeed.
My last COVID vaccine (@5 total shot and boosters)….
But, but, but….you’re supposed to be dead. Maybe you’re irrational? If Young stated it, it’s got to be true!
What rational person could think that a lightly tested, experimental concoction, based on new and strange technology could possibly cause unanticipated injuries?
NB: I personally administered the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines to countless patients in my clinic in 2020 and 2021, and not one of them has been “injured” or “disappeared”, well if you don’t count ICE personnel snatching them off of the streets. Maybe they were taken by Rapture?
Glad you’re cardiac arrythmias (sic) have disappeared. I had them during my first year of medical school, resulted in AFib, syncope, basilar skull fx, coma, 2 year rehab, also idiopathic. Then I had them again a few years ago when my spouse found me unconscious at home. Alas, I am alive and kicking so third time is a charm?
it happens. cardiac arrhythmias are more common than people realize, and many are idiopathic
^^^^(this from the guy (“AFib, syncope, basilar skull fx, coma, 2 year rehab”) who wanted to tell us sloths about working out at the gym every morning and having so many people begging for his opinions and learned knowledge.)
You sound like a medical professional, or someone who went to medical school.
You’re happy that you experienced all those nasty side affects, that you say, have now dissipated? Those side affects should never have been experienced. Nor have they gone away; the fuse is lit – it’s only a matter of time. Your DNA has literally been edited; fact.
I hope the kickbacks you received from those 2 company’s were worth the ride you and all your victims are about to take. You got it wrong, stop slathering lipstick on that pig and de-register yourself.
“lightly tested” NOPE
Hello Estovir:
Coming back from a full day and reading your comment here.
Apologies for mistexting/misspelling arrhythmias (leaving one of the ‘h’s out). I know better.
BTW, I suspect you know that when calling same to the attention of others, the proper way to do it is [sic], not (sic).
Thanks.
Hi Lin, I don’t know if what happened to me is relevant but as someone that exercises 5 days a week, and who has never had any cardiac issues at all, I have to wonder if my developing AFIB was due to getting 5 of the shots. It could be completely unrelated, but it does seem curious.
Hullbobby,
The FDA now warns that pericarditis and myocarditis are possible side effects of the Covid jab.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/fda-approves-required-updated-warning-labeling-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-regarding-myocarditis-and
I wonder if you were ever informed of this risk before consenting to the jab.
Handing you a flyer filled with fine print doesn’t come near meeting legal informed consent standards.
Young, thanks for your reply but of course I had no clue about any side effects and I was anxious about Covid and I was eager to get the shot. Of course giving the drug companies immunity should have raised a red flag.
Funny thing is that I still don’t know what to believe. People that say Covid was the flu are wrong (at least for the 2020 Covid) and I have no idea how many people were saved by the vaccine. Or how many were injured. It’s a real mess and due to money and corruption we may never know.
Hullbobby, thanks for the reminder. I agree that Covid was not just the flu. I felt much sicker when I had Hong Kong flu, but in some ways the early type of Covid felt that it was potentially very dangerous. We treated it as if it were. Besides Ivermectin we also took an antibiotic to prevent opportunistic infections, aspirin to prevent possible clotting, and used our nebulizer with budesonide each day to avoid lung inflammation though we didn’t seem to have any. We monitored blood oxygen levels, blood pressure, heart, temperature and congestion. We also took some vitamins that were included in the protocol used by successful medical practices specializing in Covid. We got through it very quickly and with very little discomfort, but we never acted as if it were not serious.
Young people, on the other hand, seemed to shrug it off with very little care.
A number of adults we know, mostly physicians, followed about the same treatment protocol that we used without going to the hospital and recovered quickly without much discomfort.
Having seen so many successful recoveries with HCQ or Ivermectin [some used both] we are now convinced that our liberal friend who died in hospital would have survived if he had just taken HCQ and stayed home with his partner who is also a physician. He would still be with us. We attended his funeral conducted by a rabbi which was moving but sad.
Here is a book by two doctors who successfully treated thousands of Covid patients with success. We borrowed part of their protocol for our own use.
https://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-COVID-19-Darkness-Successfully-Patients/dp/B09PVNF24K
I am glad you are okay now.
Hydroxychloroquine is not recommended for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19, as major health organizations and clinical trials have found it to be ineffective and potentially harmful, especially regarding heart problems. While the FDA initially allowed for emergency use, it later ended this authorization due to safety concerns and evidence that the drug did not treat the viru
And yet you may recall the black Democrat state legislator who was close to dying from Covid and saw Trump on her room television saying HCQ might help.
She begged her husband to get some; he did; she quickly recovered; she thanked Trump for saving her life.
Her fellow Democrats viciously attacked her for thanking Trump but she stuck with her praise of him. Her life was worth more than her friends’ opinion. And she was an honest person.
As for your “major health organizations,” they have lost a lot of credibility in the last 5 years.
People were also saved by prayer, according to them.
Anonymous
My reading of the data probably concurs
But coting the fda or any government health agency on Covid is not getting you anywhere
When instutions lie repeatedly they no longer deserve trust
From everything I have seen vitamin D and lots of sunlight and exercise for those who do not have Covid was the best preventative
An calciferol- vitamin d after your body has processed it is most effective if you have Covid
That was the primary treatment of both trump and Biden when they got it
There have been no gold standard studies that proved Ivermectin worked. I do like the idea of medicine via anecdotal “knew someone” evidence. Blood letting is like that too.
During Covid my dad died due to blood thinners when a minor lung problem turned fatal. They were just a day away from surgery awaiting the thinners to be metabolized or filtered and could do nothing but watch him die. I have no doubt but for the distraction of selfish people who didn’t bother to minimize contact and were super-spreaders that the doctors would have been more focused.
HB
Yes there has been data mangling
But it seems s possible to sort out
Just difficult
Reality still existed and most everything can be measured many ways
Look at the way astronomers figure some things out
No matter how corrupt one form of official data is it can be crossed checked against something else
Further my problem is not with the vax or its development
We did close to the best possible under the constraints
The real proble is the lying and the coercion
I got jabbed 5 times before I stopped
But I did a lot of other things too
Exercised took vitamin d
Got out in the sun
Some other things that helped promise but likely did not help
I do not regret my choices
And I likely would make the same ones with the information we have today
But people younger than I should not have been coerced into vaxing
Covid has a very pronounced mortality curve
You have to be old and have comorbidities for the risk of the vax to be lower than the risk of Covid
Regardless people should have been given the truth and been allowed to make their own choices
And no one should have been shamed or coerced
This was a rushed risky experiment
To be useful it had to be
But the risks of the vax were greater than yhd risks of Covid for many but not all people
But even when we did not know that as well as we do know
People should have been free to make their own choices
And that aurtomatically means some would have mad bad choices
But it does not tell us which ones those were until after the fact
There is a gigantic difference between making a free choice based on what was believed at the time even if that ultimately proved wrong
And being coerced and lied too
Today I am not sure anyone should still vax
The mortality from Covid has dropped dramatically
Which is exactly what science would tell us to expect
The lower the mortality from Covid the less wise a choice the vax is
There is also evidence from all vaccines that you can make your immune system weaker by over vaxing
Hello Young and Hullbobby:
Yes, and thanks (Young) for posting the new revised warning.
At the time, I stopped in and talked with the pharmacist staffing the site where I got my shots/boosters.
I mentioned my cardiac arrhythmias and a medical examiner finding no cause. I asked if this were common. (It only bothered me at the time because I knew I was not dehydrated or suffering from any electrolyte imbalance when these fleeting but frequent events suddenly would occur.)
“Only in young males,” was the response (which I am not!) . I told the pharmacist, “remember my story” [anonymously] when more research/testing/publication/efficacy is known.
Yesterday, during evening MSM news, I saw/heard a commercial for the vaccine, which only mentioned that “pericarditis and myocarditis” were known reactions, -but the commercial did not mention young males.
Thanks for taking the time with your comments.
Is that the Trump Administration FDA with the anti-vax, heroin-addict head is now making this report?
There is a greater risk of you getting killed in a car accident on the way to get vaccinated than from the vaccination, but car dealers aren’t required to give you that information every time you start the vehicle.
Oh, wait, car deaths isn’t a political tool in the propaganda machine.
There’s no way you’re serious. If you are, please stay at home and let the rest of us get on with life. For the rest of yours.
“What they don’t know won’t hurt us.”
The data is the data. The taxpayers footed the bill for its collection and have a right to know the results. Government officials, especially in Europe, have a kind of “benevolent dictator” mindset where they claim to have the public’s best interests at heart and you should simply trust them. Americans had enough of that attitude in 1776. Bureaucrats need to be forcefully reminded that they are our employees, not our bosses.
In 1776 it became clear that Britain was getting tired of the sort of slavery as practiced in America and had already started to move away from it in Britain and other colonies. This was the prime mover for severing the ties. The other one is that the British tea had been heavily taxed, making black-market imports to undercut that price sustainable. The tea company complained of being unable to sell with that tax applied and the British government agreed and eliminated it. This dropped the price of that tea below the economical point for black-market smugglers, which precipitated the tossing of the tea into the harbor – eliminating the low price competition through crime.
The story of freedom and representation ring a bit hollow considering that the major players all were wealthy because of slave ownership, either directly or by participating in an economy that converted slave harvested products such as cotton into finished goods in the northern colonies. Freedom for the wealthy.
What rational person could think that a lightly tested, experimental concoction, based on new and strange technology could possibly cause unanticipated injuries?
And what do you do when those injuries manifest? Pretend they don’t exist, I suppose.
Today nearly everyone in the country knows someone with a suspected ‘vaccine’ injury.
Dr. Mengele would be pleased with how the West handled Covid, from origin to treatment to burial.
Nobody who declined to be injected with this Frankenstein dessert regrets it, but many who got it do have regrets or, at least, lingering doubts and questions…or injuries.
That was my stance from the beginning. Even if I had believed the bat soup theory, which I didn’t, or if I had believed that the people trying to force inject everyone were the good guys (I didn’t), I’m still not going to consume a product of any kind whose long term side effects are not known, certainly not for an infection with a 99% recovery rate. In my opinion, that was the only rational stance to take, but reason couldn’t compete with “You’re killing grandma!” or, alternately “You’re a genius hero for getting a free shot at Walmart.” It was all emotions and ego.
Anon– Those, like you, who were able to see clearly managed to resist one of the most overwhelming public pressure and psychological campaigns in history. Goebbels and Stalin would have envied the tools used on us.
Yet some things were obvious despite the propaganda. I was able to drive at high speed on LA freeways because traffic was so low, but during one of my drives I noticed that the ‘homeless’ camps [or land seizures] were still intact and I wondered, ” Why aren’t these people dead?” The Black Death would have cleared them out. Covid couldn’t be as bad as we were told if these wretches were spared. Our schools were open longer than most and I asked my grandson if anyone in his school had gotten Covid. “Lots of them,” he said. It apparently wasn’t a big deal. Again reality crushed narrative. Neither of us got the ‘vaccine’ but when we got confirmed Covid we treated it with the Ivermectin protocol. It took about a week to get over it and we slept and read a lot but ate almost nothing. However overt symptoms of illness vanished within 24 hours of beginning Ivermectin. The fever vanished, blood oxygen was always normal, BP normal, and other overt symptoms gone. We weren’t visibly sick and I had to warn neighbors to keep back when I went to the mailbox. I have since seen the same result with several others who treated with Ivermectin, including some who contracted Covid after vaccination.
It appears we were misinformed about the origin of Covid, the best treatments, and the nature of the ‘vaccine’ where ‘informed consent’ was a duty ignored with official contempt.
How many who got the injection were told that the official drug Fact Sheet warns that the long term risks of the substance were unknown? That seems like something a person would want to know before the needle was plunged into his arm. In fact, the long-term effects were unknowable because it was too novel and too new. It was a huge medical experiment and we were the lab rats.
But, like you, Anon, many were able to sit down, not panic, and figure much of it out in broad pictures if not in minutiae. Well done.
So, double blind testing to see if it was the Ivermectin vs. just recovering?
Also unknowable – the long term effects of having a major infection of covid. Did you try that just to be sure that it was better or worse than the vaccine? How long is that test? 10 years, 50 years? How long does it take for Shingles to manifest? Maybe your covid infection will lie dormant for a while and then come back and bite you even harder.
Young: Reading your post AFTER I posted mine @11.25 or I would have just upvoted yours and kept my personal history out of it.
I still believe in vaccines, but also believe in your apt description of “lightly tested, experimental concoction, based on new and strange technology.”
The real challenge for medicine is the ability to respond in a timely manner to gene-manipulated/genetically modified viral entities–created either through accidental research exposure OR bio-terrorism. I think AI technology may shorten the requisite trial period, but I see developing AI technology as both savior and satan.
Lin, thank you. I appreciate your personal history. I know of several, some in my extended family, who have likely vaccine injuries ranging from annoying and temporary to debilitating to one death. Not all batches are the same, apparently, and not all patients have the same risk profile.
The one death from Covid was a close physician friend who followed the government protocol. I asked his partner why he didn’t try HCQ and, being very liberal, he declined because Trump suggested it. Instead he got Remdesivir [another dangerous drug] intubation and death.
Another physician friend who was vaccinated and still ended up in the hospital, sinking with double pneumonia, called her adult son to bring her Ivermectin. He smuggled it in claiming he had socks for her. She was surprisingly improved the next day and discharged a few days later. She told us her story herself.
A physician very close to me told of her patient with a minor mechanical injury who recounted his Covid story. He was in hospital, lungs being drained into a jar and doctors telling his wife to prepare for the worst. She prepared, but not for the worst. She went to a farm supply and got Ivermectin for animals. Why not? CDC says that’s where it is. When she returned to the hospital the staff wanted to know what she had. “Essential oils,” she said. Okay, she could use it. It is disgraceful for our medical community to allow voodoo crap like that while prohibiting an actual approved, safe medication the patient wants. She rubbed it all over her husband. The next day the lung drainage was half what it had been and he began an unexpected recovery and lived to tell the story to his industrial injury physician. I got the story secondhand from the doctor.
Considering how politics and money has corrupted our response to Covid one is hardly suprised to hear that some Third World countries with less ‘modern’ health care had fewer Covid deaths than America and Europe.
Hang Fauci.
If you got it, you lived
An interesting parallel: The bubonic plague in England year 1348
The most immediate consequence was a halt to the campaigns of the Hundred Years’ War. In the long term, the decrease in population caused a shortage of labour, with subsequent rise in wages, resisted by the landowners, which caused deep resentment among the lower classes.
The Peasants’ Revolt of 1381 was largely a result of this resentment, and even though the rebellion was suppressed, in the long term serfdom was ended in England. The Black Death also affected artistic and cultural efforts, and may have helped advance the use of the vernacular.
I appreciate good history. Peter Turchin, who I follow, would likely agree with you.
The COVID death data is very likely so corrupted with false reporting and outright lying that if revealed, it could not withstand a rigorous statistical review. However, by not revealing the data, people become naturally suspicious and consequently believe the worst. Namely, they believe the government lied repeatedly about the efficacy of their enforced remedies. And when some officials were discovered as being incompetent and using poor modeling, this enhances the suspicion. Human nature at work. It helped defeat the Soviet Union when the only stories believed in the official press were the sports scores.
Fascism 101
“would be damaging to the relationship of trust and confidence between doctor and patient, and might well have an adverse effect on the practice of medicine”
In other words, yes, there were lots of vaccine deaths. What special kind of stupid would think anyone would trust their doctor after an admission of guilt like that?
Near me nearly 500,000 people were found dead within hours of getting vaccinated, but it was all covered up. The entire city was bulldozed and all the online maps were changed to remove all mention of it and all the highways to it were dug up and filled and covered over. The bodies were left to be buried in the bulldozed rubble.
Dear Mr. Turley, give the people the truth and they will figure it out for themselves.
Give the truth? Truth is relative. And I for one don’t believe Turley has it in this case.
But you still take the time to read him, and comment on his pages.
You do you, bro.
We colonists continue to believe (without evidence, as they always say on CNN and MSNBC), that the mother country resembles us in many ways That we share some of the same genes means little unless you have an understanding of social history. And while the British monarchy, like those of all other European societies, has lost its power, many of its subjects still pledge a form of fealty to it, perhaps out of melancholic feelings for the old days of the Empire. We impudent upstart “Americans” have no such feelings. Indeed, our Revolution and Independence were grounded on relinquishing our fealty to George III. One is free today nin the UK to criticize the King but must do it within the bounds of the Public Order Act of 1986 that makes it a criminal offence: “(a) to use threatening [or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or (b) to display any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [or abusive].”
Anti-monarchists in the UK are careful to word their opposition to skirt these provisions. We crude Americans, thank goodness, threw this sort of silliness out the window in 1776 and pride ourselves on the cat being able to look cross at the Queen, so to speak. Yes, our version today of the Magna Carta is the MAGA Carta that means so much more than what the Public Order Act of 1986 allows. We must protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, lest our leftwing monarchists get their way and stamp out our free speech. The right of the people to petition their government is a fundamental aspect of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It ensures that individuals can demand of the government a redress (i.e., remedy) of their grievances without fear of retaliation. +
jjc posted: And while the British monarchy, like those of all other European societies, has lost its power, many of its subjects still pledge a form of fealty to it, perhaps out of melancholic feelings for the old days of the Empire. We impudent upstart “Americans” have no such feelings. Indeed, our Revolution and Independence were grounded on relinquishing our fealty to George III.
The UK monarchy was powerless a century before Colonists revolted against the elected British parliament taxing them without representation. A country can patriotically identify with many things as a symbol of their love of their country – whether it’s a monarch as the symbol of their parliamentary system of government instead of identifying with the country’s flag, choosing the bald eagle as a more picturesque national symbol than a turkey, etc.
No Commonwealth citizen swearing an oath to the Monarch of the day believes for one second that they will ever receive any orders or instructions from that Monarch, either directly from that monarch or from their elected government introducing and passing a bill to legitimize an order from the Monarch.
So yes, we could and still love to make a great show of our disdain for British monarchs. All while at the same time our elected governments under Obama and Biden abused us pretty much the same as the elected British Parliament with King George as its figurehead abused and then made war on their fellow British citizens of the Colonies.
We REALLY suck at learning lessons from our history. And in this case prefer valiantly battling strawmen who had no actual hand in the abuse we have ever suffered from any elected government, British or American, from our very first days on this continent.
Micro Plastics, Covid Clots, no wonder We’re all Fogged Up!
– Anyway, On Ward Through The Fog –
Strange Structures Found Lurking in The Blood of People With Long COVID
Analyzing blood samples from patients with long COVID, a team of medical researchers has identified unusual microscopic structures that may contribute to symptoms such as brain fog and fatigue. If this is the case, it offers a hopeful target for future treatment.
By:Michelle Starr ~ November 17th 2025
https://www.sciencealert.com/strange-structures-found-lurking-in-the-blood-of-people-with-long-covid
Unlike America, Britain lacks a deep and richly populated hinterland. Hence, the Country is ruled by urban globalist-leftists, like Tory dandies in London’s financial district and Birmingham’s no-go jihadists. Since British patriots are basically unarmed and unprotected, they are being delivered up to the cannibals as a human sacrifice to the Left.
In the future, the vaccine won’t be the only cause of excessive deaths in Britain. That will lead to the next great migration from northern Europe, but we need to make sure Britain’s ruling class does not bring their mind virus here. They can stay in Britain and fix what they broke or get beheaded. At this point, I no longer care what happens to them.
What BS man.
Diogenes, right on!
In the future, the vaccine won’t be the only cause of excessive deaths in Britain
More than two-thirds of the deaths during the US Civil War were due to infectious diseases like measles, mumps, chickenpox, malaria, typhoid fever and others. If vaccines for these entities had been available, the death rate would have been astonishingly smaller.
Translation: conservatives, who are dead set against vaccines, are more likely to die during the next civil war because of infectious diseases that were preventable via vaccines. That or their dogs shooting them.
Do you really want the Left to possession of your home, your estate, your family after you have died during the upcoming civil war because you refused to get vaccinated over infectious disease that are preventable via vaccines? C’mon, you’re not that stupid. Young, maybe, but not you, Diogenes.
War, What is it Good for? Spreading Infectious Diseases, It Turns Out
https://www.gideononline.com/blogs/infectious-diseases-in-war/
Infectious diseases in the Civil War
https://hekint.org/2022/03/31/infectious-diseases-in-the-civil-war/
Bollet AJ. The major infectious epidemic diseases of Civil War soldiers. Infect Dis Clin North Am. 2004 Jun;18(2):293-309. doi: 10.1016/j.idc.2004.01.008.
PS: Get vaccinated especially if you are over the age of 50. You really do not want Shingles especially late in life
Estovir: I agree that bio-terrorism is indeed a serious threat. Still, vaccine testing/distribution must remain separate, mutually exclusive from pharmaceutical campaign donations and political/media intervention weighting the scales.
Wellllll, having been employed by Big Pharma at one time, and presently pursuing one of them to fund my research in HIV Cardiology, I can state without hesitation, that they are crooked, snakes in the grass, evil and greedy as heck. Which is why I want their money to find a cure for my patients with HIV associated atherosclerosis. If I get the grant I will likely be in the news which means I will be exposed to ya’ll. I promise to wear my white lab coat for the pictures.
NB: When I was in pharma, the FDA were a mixture of Rottweilers and Doberman; frankly, we hated them because they always said “no” to our requests and “bring us more data”. They were never satisfied. Now they’re toy poodles. They have been defanged and are an unreliable agency. Hopefully Marty Makary will get them straightened out
I see your point. Let me clarify. When I wrote, “In the future, the vaccine won’t be the only cause of excessive deaths in Britain. That will lead to the next great migration from northern Europe…” I should have written instead that excessive deaths in the future will likely result from civil conflict and persecution and lead to another great migration. I confess, my original wording was sloppy.
When it comes to medical questions, I reserve judgement and that’s what I should have done here. My experience with medical issues is that opinions can change and medical issues can often be counterintuitive. In general, I support vaccines, but when it comes to mRNA vaccines, I’m undecided. It may take a few years before politics is finally filtered out of that topic.
Estovir you are sharper than this
All vaccines are not equal
Nor are they all appropriate for all people
Everyone who question’s government vax policy is not an anti vaxer
But the government public health officials in the us and elsewhere have burned their credibility to ash
There is pretty strong evidence that the uk is looking to fix itself
Farage would be pm easily if there was an election today
With the torrid coming in 2nd and labor getting table scraps
But the next election is not today
I just checked the latest polls. Reform is not quite to a majority, but they are almost there. They would need a little help from the Tories, but the Tories have become the National Traitors’ Party. Still, I was surprised by how much Reform has gained, but as you say, the next election is not today.
During Covid I was able to go to the CDC website and download causes of death for every state by age group. Haven’t been able to do that for the past 2 years. They don’t want the public knowing the data and connecting the dots. We lost our ability to critically think during Covid and now the government is covering up the truth
“During Covid I was able to go to the CDC website and download causes of death for every state by age group. ”
The question is whether you were getting accurate causes of death. Such information was subject to massive massage at the time.
The CDC was adding footnotes to the Covid deaths had multiple co morbidities. It’s hard to manipulate total deaths and the breakdown. The data never supported the Covid deaths if you looked at all the deaths data
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D158;jsessionid=7F10DFB362FD4600B57BFDC8E454
Problem is garbage in, garbage out. Anyone that had Covid and died for whatever reason was considered to have died due to Covid.
Adam smith was able gather the data to write the wealth of nations
Which is the foundation of economics 250 years ago before there was anything close to reliable data
There is always multiple ways to cross check data
Lies do not hold up long
I think the ability to think critically was lost long before Covid.
COVID-19 Mortality
Death Data Maps
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html
You are right, the Bread Crumb Trail seems to end in 2023.
They also seen to rename the category and lumped it into “Chronic lower respiratory disease”
Big Pharma & Gov doesn’t want to get Sued – No Data-No Suit
(Smells of a Asbestos cover up)
Three guesses
Um… B, B and C? I give up. You tell us.
‘There are none so blind as those who will not see