California is facing a perfect storm in finances, with a crippling deficit and a declining tax base. Now, a study of IRS data by the National Taxpayers Union Foundation found that California is losing a taxpayer roughly every minute, as states like Florida, Texas, and North Carolina attract new residents due to lower taxes and higher standards of living.
In comparison, Florida gains a new taxpayer every 2 minutes and 9 seconds while Texas gains one every 2 minutes and 53 seconds.
The result has been a bonanza for Florida, which is now collecting $4 billion more per year for its budget.
The states losing taxpayers at the fastest rate are California, New York, and Illinois. Here is the rate of loss:
California: every 1 minute and 44 seconds
New York: every 2 minutes and 23 seconds
Illinois: every 6 minutes and 4 seconds.
Massachusetts: every 11 minutes and 38 seconds
New Jersey: every 14 minutes and 14 seconds.
These remain high-tax states where there are even greater demands for tax increases (particularly in Illinois, California, and New York) as well as new spending demands. In Illinois, Mayor Brandon Johnson is pushing for disastrous new taxes, while in New York, incoming Zohran Mamdani is demanding new taxes to fund his free buses and other campaign promises.
In Seattle, socialist Katie Wilson won the mayoral election on the promise of new “progressive taxes” to fund an assortment of programs.
In Oregon, as Democratic politicians run on the rise in the cost of living, they just approved a gas tax hike as part of $4 billion tax and charge increases. They may be hoping that the decline in gas costs this year will make the tax less noticeable, but some citizens are pushing to place it on the ballot for voters.
In these states and cities, the assumption is that wealthy people will remain as voluntary game in a type of fiscal canned hunt as politicians discuss new wealth and other forms of taxes. They are not. They are leaving with their wealth and their tax payments.
Unions continue to push for these new taxes as high-tax-paying residents leave these states. At the same time, California and Illinois continue to push their status as sanctuary states, increasing the public burden for schools, hospitals and other programs. As they increase spending and their tax base contracts, the outcome is obvious.
Again, take California. The state experienced a $9 billion decline in taxpayer funds during 2018. That number increased to $29 billion lost in 2020.
As I discuss in my forthcoming book, Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution, there is a common myth that the top five percent of this country do not “pay their fair share.” However, putting that debate aside, the question is whether it will produce more revenue than it costs the state in the long run. As these politicians campaign on clipping the “fat cats” who are not paying their fair share, many are likely to follow the exodus to lower tax states with greater fiscal discipline.
There are many in states like Florida and Texas who worry that new residents from states like New York and California will replicate their prior voting patterns and produce the same disastrous policies in their new states. I just spoke in Boise, Idaho where many are complaining that Californians are moving to the state and adopting the same policies that produced the conditions that they just left behind. The fear is that the voters will not be willing to vote for conservatives or libertarians and simply move like a liberal diaspora from state to state as they reproduce prior tax and fiscal policies.
Time will tell. However, what is clear is that Democratic states are not showing any greater fiscal discipline as they careen toward budget meltdowns.
Never heard of a politician running on a platform of raising taxes. Really dumb!
America fought an irrational and unconstitutional civil war Today’s communist Democrats are just their new and even more corrupt and racist version of the Confederate Kluxxer Democrats who started and lost their seditious Confederate Civil War. Possibly the first known FAFO in American history.
“A republic [with no political parties and states not allowed to elect their Senators}, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin
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Elected Democrat communist senators like Obama, Sanders and Durban proved we couldn’t.
The Confederate Democrats tried to destroy the republic through unlawful sedition and insurrection and failed. And they were swiftly reminded that they also failed in Constitutional law, just as they failed in seditious traitorous war.
With a hint of their future plot to adapt communism a century later, losing slave Democrat states sued in SCOTUS, claiming that now that they’d failed to destroy the Union as their way of unilaterally getting out, they were entitled as states back in the Union to Free Federal Stuff. They failed in SCOTUS as they failed in war.
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)
Affirming the perpetual nature of American federalism, and that the USA is an indestructible union from which no state can UNILATERALLY SECEDE.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/
The Union of the States was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to “be perpetual.” And, when these Articles of Confederation were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained “to form a more perfect Union. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.
When those states became one of the United States, they entered into an indissoluble relationship. The union between individual states and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of all the States to amend the Constitution.
Today’s Commie Democrats with George X as their resident apparatchik almost succeeded with their failed attempt to re-institute a monarchy under first King Barack with his phone and pen and then of course King Joe, Barack’s phoned in unconstitutional third term.
The overwhelming singular failure of the American republic rights and freedoms experiment has been voters allowing the continued existence of the vile and violent, seditious DNC and their equally vile members like George X. The commie Democrats who blame the chaos they’ve created on the Supreme Court, not themselves: the Court that has given them what they couldn’t get either at war or the ballot box.
“Fair Share”: fair shares of taxes can be defined as equal utils, that is, equal amount of utility. To grasp the idea, consider $100. That’s your weekly grocery shopping money. For the filthy rich, a $100 bill is something to light a cigar with — in the comics. However, in a Las Vegas strip casino I once watched a man buy $700 worth of chips and gamble them away in a few dozen seconds. You might spend one dollar on the Lotto lottery at the grocery store checkout; I never did. Maybe those two examples describe equal utils.
John Stuart Mills wrote most extensively on utility theory, although he didn’t invent the concept. I must have read a book by him for an econ class, but its now been too many decades to be certain…
It is impossible to gauge tax liability in terms of utils, since they vary widely even among people with the same income. That’s why economics uses an assumption of profit maximization as a proxy for utility maximization.
The only practical way to gauge “fair share” is in terms of dollars paid, that is, percentage of income paid. That is as good a proxy for utility as can be obtained on this earth. As someone below said, a flat tax is the fairest: everyone pays (say) 17% or 20% of their income in federal taxes. The tax rate should not depend on the quantity of the thing being taxed. That’s what tax uniformity is all about. And tax uniformity is the sine qua non of tax fairness.
Kansas Elder, as I tried to illustrate, dollars are not utils. For the person with many dollars, $700 might be gambled away but for the likes of us, $1 of our shopping money might be so spent.
So a flat tax is manifestly unfair in that it decreases ‘happiness’ for the poor while being almost unobservable to the filthy rich.
Here in Washington state so-called basic foods are untaxed while alcoholic beverages are taxed at the grocery store. This roughly marches utils.
Professor: how can a government measure each person’s “utils”? I contend it is impossible. Instead, wealth in dollars is the best proxy that governments can (easily) measure. A flat tax is fairest because each person’s tax liability increases in direct proportion to his income as measured by in dollars.
The House of Representatives, in their collective wisdom, raises the taxes. The income tax brackets represent the current estimation of utils. When Eisenhower was president the highest tax bracket was 92%. No longer.
David B. Benson says: When Eisenhower was president the highest tax bracket was 92%. No longer.
Dr. Thomas Sowell, an actual American economist – and a famous one as well – repeatedly warns those reading his books “Never trust a commie who wants to tell you A story – instead of the WHOLE story”
Long before the Laffler Curve, governments knew that if you overtaxed people, they would move their money out of government’s reach and leave you with nothing. There was a top tax bracket that high in the 1950’s – but to keep those they were taxing from leaving, the FDR, Truman, and then Eisenhower governments ensured they gave the rich they were targeting a corresponding massive amount of extra deductions. (Kennedy who followed Eisenhower massively decreased taxes further)
In simple language the Democrats’ communist economic experts should be able to grasp (with some help from their friends), from Dr. Sowell:
While the top statutory tax rate in the 1950s was much higher (91%) than today’s rate of 37%, the effective tax rate for the top 1% was lower due to numerous deductions and loopholes. In reality, top earners in the 1950s were paying about 42-45% of their income in taxes, while today, it’s closer to 26-28%. Despite the reduction in rates, the top 1% today contributes a larger share (about 40%) of total federal income taxes compared to around 30-35% in the 1950s.
Despite today’s rich paying a greater share of the federal income taxes collected than during the FDR/Truman/Eisenhower days, today’s Democrat communist economists still cry that the rich aren’t paying their fair share to offset the Democrat communists not paying their fair share.
And a final parting look back at the 1950’s versus today:
Percentage of Total Income Taxes Paid by the Top 1%:
1950s: The top 1% paid roughly 30-35% of all federal income taxes.
Today: The top 1% pays about 40% of all federal income taxes in the U.S. (data as of 2020).
How Many People Pay the Top Rates:
1950s: The number of people actually paying the top 91% rate was minuscule, likely fewer than 10,000 households in a country of over 150 million people. Most wealthy individuals managed to pay a lower effective rate through deductions.
Today: The top 1% of income earners consist of approximately 1.4 million households (based on the U.S. population in 2023).
Professor: so this whole thread, from your point of view, is just a defense of the graduated income tax scheme that we already have at the federal level? Okay, I misunderstood.
David B. Benson says: So a flat tax is manifestly unfair in that it decreases ‘happiness’ for the poor while being almost unobservable to the filthy rich.
Democrat communist theology is a cult belief that if you are born poor, that is a life sentence which has the unexpected beneficial side affect of protecting you from becoming one of the filthy rich.
There is no upward – or downward – economic movement for free individuals in Marxist/Democrat political theory. If you are filthy rich you were born that way, if you are poor, you were also born that way.
That obsessive communist religious belief does not change in the face of facts: 88% of today’s millionaires are self made, they did not inherit. Through their own personal efforts and work, rather than trusting their lives to government maternalism and handouts, they went from nothing to “filthy rich”.
The Democrats’ Filthy Communist coastal self appointed economic elites – whatever their education and income – can’t understand that reducing the amount of taxes taken by government (to overwhelmingly waste), results in those hated Filthy Rich doing something more with the money they were left with instead of just stuffing it in a mattress.
They could waste it by donating it to a university like Harvard, naively believing their money is improving education at Harvard. But few of them are actually that naive – and their number is shrinking.
Overwhelmingly those filthy rich are actually creators, builders, investors, etc; they put that money somewhere that it produces more wealth that the Democrats’ Filthy Communists also ultimately benefit from as well.
The Filthy Communists’ that cosplay as economists have yet to figure out that government cannot create wealth – they can only take (and usually waste or steal) it. Only free people and free interpersonal economic activity can create wealth for government (who had had no involvement in creating) to target for taxation.
The Democrats’ Filthy Communists can’t figure out that government taking and redistributing that wealth to their envious greedy hands does not make the filthy communists finally realize they too can improve their economic station in life. No; instead they default to wanting more – without being willing to work in exchange for more.
Real economists have been trying to explain basic economics to our Democrat Filthy Communists over the 50+ years I have been a taxpaying adult. And yet, even when explained at a level that any 1960’s/70’s/80’s high school graduate could understand, the hatred, envy and greed from our Democrat Filthy Communists just gets worse every year.
In deference to the Democrat Filthy Communists’ economic geniuses believing that everything must be given to them for free, here’s two more additional attempts to explain basic economics to them that won’t cost them a single penny – they’re free!
Milton Friedman – I am Pencil – How Economy Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxhIXo5Rayw
BASIC ECONOMICS
A Citizen’s Guide to the Economy
https://archive.org/details/basiceconomicsco0000sowe
Anonymous – you say sensible things, you should use a screen name so we can get to know you by name. As I said below (but forgot to sign in), the wealthy don’t put their money in a mattress, they put it to work, creating jobs and thus more taxpayers and more tax revenue.
Those who refer to people of means as “filthy rich” are not serious commenters. The very term suggests hatred toward job creators, which is self-defeating. They should ask themselves this question: if I were in need of work, would I try to find a poor man to give me a job, or a wealthy man to give me a job? Obviously the latter: the wealthy need workers otherwise their wealth is meaningless. They are looking for good workers whom they can pay to do a job in need of doing. The caricature of using $100 bills to light cigars or throw money away in gambling does not “advance the ball” as it is the exception rather than the rule. The rule is that the rich invest their money in things that will make more money . . . and how will those things make more money? By hiring people to produce the goods and services society needs.
oldmanfromkansas says: Anonymous – you say sensible things, you should use a screen name so we can get to know you by name.
Well thanks – but obviously you do recognize me, if you feel that is important. I started with a screen name here back around 2007, when Professor Turley was just one of the bloggers here and Darren Smith wrote columns as well. Go back to the start of this blog and see who the other columnists and commentators were back at the beginning and how few of them are still here with their original screen names. Our dear George, who is now X, and his recognizable hand did not appear and then progress through changing his screen name until very recently.
In the years since, I’ve gone through three additional screen names as Darren progressed from deleting posts he didn’t want seen to blocking the screen name I was posting under.
Not for vulgarity, obscenities, threats, etc in those posts – but posts that took Professor Turley to task for hypocrisy, deliberately looking the other way, etc. (as an example almost 15 years ago, the support and approval of Professor Turley and Darren for Jack Smith’s prosecution and conviction of Governor McDonnell prior to the 2012 election. And then the complete silence from both of them in this space after SCOTUS threw out the McDonnell conviction and while doing so called Smith a threat to our Constitutional government).
And so, repeatedly having to create new screen names along with the new annoyance of two factor logon, I’ll just hit “post” and what appears here will be more from Anonymous. Nobody is forced to read it.
Ultimately, it shouldn’t make a difference. Whatever a screen name or not, a post either has content worthy of discussion, rebuttal, upvoting, etc or it does not. In fact, as we have seen here often over the last few years, posters can even post here by stealing somebody else’s screen name to post under. This blog allows that just as it allows Anonymous posts.
Content, not screen name, is what is most important. Without meaningful content, it is just bullSchiff and/or virtue signalling.
Related to the above, I increasingly find less meaningful legal content here versus straight up clickbait than I find in the better blogs from former federal prosecutors like Technofog and Shipwreckedcrew’s Port-O-Call. Both have far more concern and pointed legal commentary on government overreach and DoJ/FBI malfeasance than our host here.
Being behind a paywall may make them annoying to some, but it has the salutary effect of eliminating the Free-Stuff-For-Me communist Democrat troll postings.
WA state also has run away power & gas costs. Thanks to the governor and his tax-loving lib party.
in a Las Vegas strip casino I once watched a man buy $700 worth of chips and gamble them away in a few dozen seconds
I watch academic STEM researchers burn through $2M worth of NIH funds on their pet projects, allegedly to cure cancer, etc, but end up proving nothing, complain about lack of funds for their next project, and that no one in their department does any real work like they do. To say they are prima donnas is to insult true prima donnas. Most of my colleague are envious of me in that I worked for Big Pharma for many years, and are aghast that I left it. “Because my mother didn’t carry me for 9 months in her womb to be a monkey on a chain for an employer for whom I made a ton of money while they paid me peanuts”
People in medical academia do not realize that professional careers in the real world expect the employed to perform and provide output. In the real world, if you’re not a revenue maker you’re a cost center, and the latter is where academic STEM folks are. In the latter setting, just showing up for work is supposed to elicit cheers from others. They are paid 6 figures for reasons I will never understand
Unfortunately academic performance is now, all too often, measured by research grant expenditures. This is even worse than the older measure by publication count.
In Other News: “Rep. Hank Johnson Warns if Californians keep moving to Georgia, the state will ‘Tip Over and Capsize’ into the Ocean.”
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Geological expert Johnson lamented that his state should not be the one to pay such a high price for efforts to stablize the San Andreas Fault by depopulating California.
California, the fulfillment of “Manifest Destiny” and the culminating achievement of the ambition and purpose of the American Founders and Patriots, has been “fundamentally transformed” into a one-party communist state and teeming third-world s—hole.
America fought an irrational and unconstitutional civil war and multiple ultimately futile foreign wars only to be invaded and conquered by the plundering hordes that the Founders denied admission and citizenship to in their immigration law.
In the absence of a miraculous ideological rebirth and redux of the historic and momentous endeavor of those very American Founders and Patriots, the United States of America is doomed.
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“[We gave you] a [severely restricted-vote] republic, if you can keep it.”
– Ben Franklin
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You couldn’t.
You didn’t.
“[We gave you] a [severely restricted-vote] republic, if you can keep it.”
“We gave you a [severely restricted-vote, where males renting or otherwise without property could not vote and you could not elect senators by popular vote] republic, if you can keep it.”
We couldn’t – the Democrats destroyed it all… thank you Woodrow Wilson et al.
Virginia is going down the toilet as well. I’m looking to move to OK or WY.
I think Russia or North Korea would be more to your liking
That makes no sense. The other anon is trying to get away from communism.
Give em a break. The people of California, the home of Disney, grew up reading comic books depicting Scrooge McDuck sitting in a basement full of money and tossing it in the air. They were taught how to think about people who are wealthy in front of the TV sitting in their onesies holding their Pluto dolls.
They were taught at an early age to see the guy who is getting rich selling the plow that feeds the world as the bad guy. Why should we be surprised how they learned to think when they saw the rich guy who sold the plow that feeds the world just sitting in his basement throwing up money. Progressivism and its indoctrination soldiers have been around for a very long time. Thou shalt not covet is one of the Ten Commandments for a reason.
Coveting is the go to strategy of the left when all else fails. It’s just not fair is the incantation spouted by the left like a child who wants to justify taking a toy from another child. It’s just not fair cause he has more toys than me! Give em a break they just have never had an interest or the courage to think otherwise. The vanity signal to be accepted is just a part of the code and the ultimate motivation for the savers of the world even if millions must die to do it. They started them early.
” The people of California, the home of Disney, grew up reading comic books depicting Scrooge McDuck sitting in a basement full of money and tossing it in the air. They were taught how to think about people who are wealthy in front of the TV sitting in their onesies holding their Pluto dolls.”
Those comic books and TV shows were nationwide. The Kali K’nts get no break or other special dispensation fomr me on account of their physical proximity…
Sweden found out. They had tax-the-rich policies for decades, but that caused many Swedes to flee or park their wealth outside the country. Sweden then changed tax rates so that taxes are spread around to everyone, and that led to a boom in economic activity as globalization got under way.
But should America’s tax-the-rich states should follow Sweden’s example and tax everybody? At least some middle-class American liberals would find Sweden’s taxes shocking and highly regressive.
Furthermore, Sweden’s welfare state became a welfare magnet, turning cities like Malmo into no-go zones for crime and Islamic extremism, and the cradle-to-grave social net in Sweden is under serious strain, both from immigration and the weakening of global trade.
The Swedes are now electing more conservative leaders to restrict immigration and crack down on crime. Lower taxes are likely to follow.
This holds a lot of important lessons for us, but those lessons will be lost. American liberals are far stupider than the Swedes, and urban voting cohorts have no interest in maintaining a high-trust society–more like a high-crime society. Democrats are not Swedes.
I still remember Bjorn Borg and Ingmar Bergman.
The hellhole states losing people are run by Democrats. The destination states are run by Republicans. But I’m sure that’s pure coincidence, has nothing to do with whether Republican or Democrat policies create better living conditions. /s
The people leaving ‘blue’ states may indeed seek lower taxes, but what is the demographic info: age, income, children, retired, etc?
Also, if these people are ‘right’ leaning, why do they try to initiate ‘left’ leaning policies in their new states?
Perhaps it is that people in general, (left or right) like to control things and tell others what is best for them. The far right is as guilty of this as the far left, they both like to make rules others must follow.
This happens even here in Canada when city dwellers move to and ‘gentrify’ a rural township where they insist of strict bylaws and their enforcement. Is it their wealth and education which entitles them to seek control, be they left or right leaning?
Anonymous the old equivalency argument doesn’t fly. What part of people are leaving blue state for red states do you not understand. It’s amazing that you haven’t run out of lipstick to put on that pig by now. Florida and Texas are more red than ever even with the influx of the people moving in from California. Good God almighty they’ve seen the light they’ve seen the light and the scales have fallen from their eyes. When it comes to power not everyone is like you. The people who are moving do indeed want power. The power to protect their children from state indoctrination. On the other hand, the power that you want is to continue to keep the indoctrination in place. We know this because you supported a new Department of Misinformation seriously proposed by the Biden Administration. Thankfully it’s not true that everyone is all the same. Your inference that we are all authoritarians is just your justification for being an authoritarian. Look their just like us is a pour and unfounded declaration to defend a progressive your desire to be accepted by the heard. Homeostasis is a powerful drug.
Florida and Texas are more red than ever even with the influx of the people moving in from California… Thankfully it’s not true that everyone is all the same.
Those of us in states like Montana wish it were. Populous areas like Missoula, Bozeman, etc may as well now be carved straight out of coastal California or Oregon. We finally just got rid of Democrat Governor Steve Bullock and Senator John Tester. Bullock governed with dreams of becoming the second coming of Obama to run against Trump in 2020. Tester was essentially a second vote in Chuck Schumer’s pocket. Both got reelected while acting like that in office.
Libertarian candidates did a lot of damage here in Montana while knowing they had even less chance of actually winning here in Montana than Curtis Sliwa had of winning the Mayoral election in New York. They did again in the just concluded mayoral elections when they handed one of the states biggest and strongest supporting cities over to be run by a Democrat.
Montana’s population increased by 10% from 2020 to 2024, and it isn’t people coming from neighboring states like Idaho and the Dakotas. It’s not a sure thing to assume those moving from Democrat run hellholes to very conservative, low-tax Constitutional states are going to be in the vast majority similarly conservative to the state they choose to move to.
There’s a reason the most popular bumper sticker here outside of those expanding Democrat enclaves like Missoula, Bozemen etc is “Welcome to Montana. Now go home – we’re full”.
I’m tired of all the chicken littles saying those that are leaving California will just bring their voting patterns to the red states. They have moved to Florida and Florida is more red than it ever has been.
The real cause for states like Colorado turning from red to blue is a lack of diligence in keeping the re-education of children through the use progressive education programs from happening. People are not just leaving California for economic reasons but because the state has decided it can say you are abusing your child for refusing to allow the state to perform sexual surgery on your child. The people who are leaving have come to an understanding that the ultimate goal of the state of California is to make you understand that it is the state that owns your child. This is a common practice of the totalitarian state.
Californians are simply walking away while they still can without a state approved exit visa.
They have fostered a plan of still taxing you after you leave. If you don’t pay up they’ll just get it from the parents and children you left behind. Compliance one way or the other. Some after seeing it all before are still not convinced.
Three important dividing lines among the states are 1) state income taxes; 2) flat vs graduated income taxes; and 3) right to work laws. State income taxes obviously increase the burden and complications of taxes. Graduation of taxes create an incentive to increase taxes with little political price. And, compulsory unionization increases the power of organized labor, esp. teacher unions, while driving away businesses.
The part of this relocation that is disheartening to those of us the moved to Florida to escape libatard policies, many of those escaping NY, CA, IL are attempting to bring the insane DNC ideas with them. We just ask if you are relocating, leave your old idiologies at the State line!
Move back and please take two or three with you. The influx of all the Yankee cowards has destroyed Florida, apartments everywhere, fishing has gone to crap, nowhere to hunt anymore, can’t eat a raw oyster for fear of ecoli. Prices for everything have gone through the roof, please leave, Florida doesn’t want you and take Trump with you!
From The Column:
There is a common myth that the top five percent of this country do not “pay their fair share.” However, putting that debate aside..
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By ‘putting it aside, Turley doesn’t care to address the fact that the top five percent do not pay their fair share.
I say they are paying more than their fair share. You’re wrong on the facts.
Oh, I know. It’s rude to ask billionaires to pay more than 30% in income tax. And you, no doubt, are a Joe The Plumber type who’s very concerned about the welfare of billionaires.
So you just declare that paying 30% of your income to the government is not the taxpayer’s “fair share.”
And you’re till wrong on the facts. The top federal income tax rate is 37% and that’s just federal taxes. When you add in state and local taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, etc., each person must work until sometime in June just to support the government. Your type of thinking is the very reason states like California, New York, and Illinois are financially underwater and losing so many residents. You come from a communist premise that everything belongs to the state and if the state is feeling generous people get to keep a little of what they earn.
Hating on the well-to-do is self-defeating. People of means don’t hide their money in a mattress. They invest it, i.e., put it to work. That means more jobs are created, which means more taxpayers and more tax revenue.
If, OTOH, the state confiscates that money through overly high tax rates, it goes to whatever the state decides, which is not driven by the market – i.e., is not driven by the goods and services people want. Instead it tends to be used less efficiently: if a government project loses money, it gets more funding. As President Reagan said, “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Oh, I know. It’s rude to ask billionaires to pay more than 30% in income tax.
That 5% of Americans you hate with the heat of a thousand burning ChiCom suns pays 61% of all the taxes collected by the Treasury. What do you want it to be instead? 100% good enough?
I don’t find it rude in the slightest to ask Democrat communists what percentage of income taxes collected comes from their taxation demographic. Are you in that group of Marxist happy greedy kids who pay NO income tax at all? Paying nothing while screaming in rage that the top 5% must redistribute more of their wealth to support you and your entitlement programs?
Who Will Pay No Federal Individual Income Tax in 2025?
https://taxpolicycenter.org/fiscal-facts/who-will-pay-no-federal-individual-income-tax-2025
In 2025, according to the latest estimates, 40 percent of households, or about 76 million “tax units,” will pay no federal individual income tax. Of those households who will pay no federal income tax, about 70 percent earn less than $75,000
So what percentage of income taxes collected does your demographic pay as your fair share, commie?
Perhaps you will answer the question I have asked for years now and never received a reply?
What is the “fair share” the top 5% are supposed to pay?
Is 61% of all federal income tax paid when earning 36% of national income not fair enough for you?
have you ever noticed that liberals NEVER define what is the fair share that people who have worked hard and succeeded should pay? It is a moving target for them so they won’t give you a number. Maybe McDonalds should start asking people what they make and charge them accordingly based on their income. Welcome to insanity!
The top 10% pay 89% of all taxes paid. How damned much should they pay?
People with half a brain are leaving California. They know who to blame. If you live in a beautiful place with a great climate and your salary is worth half of what it’s worth in red states it’s not unusual that you would have a well shut my mouth wide open moment. The victims will be the people who can’t afford to move and because of their low income don’t pay state or federal taxes. They do however pay high real estate taxes and high gasoline taxes. What we have here is just a testament to the successful of these socialist mini countries. Those people who brought us all those machines like the toilet and the tractor are moving out and the leadership in these little nations are saying good riddance. We’d be better off if they wouldn’t have moved to our paradise in the first place they say. We can just eat fruits and nuts and sing happy tunes. Has anyone seen the flower reef I was wearing on my head? I seem to have misplaced it.
People with only ‘half a brain’ should indeed leave California. They should migrate to red states where ‘half a brain is normal.
One sixteenth of a brain ANON!!
ANON voted for KAMALA and JOE. NO BRAIN!!!
Let me rephrase this: People staying in California by choice most probably have 1/2 as much brainpower as they believe they have.
They would STILL be 50% ahead of the Blue State hordes when it comes to brain power. If brains were gas, a Democrat wouldn’t have enough to get half way around a BB on a motorcycle!
@ThinkitthroughCancel
Yes, they are, and they are taking California right along with them. I fail to see how this is a good thing for anyone else beyond the financial abuses that exist in California. There comes a point where making a point is just being obtuse. None of this is necessarily indicative of anything good – just a different kind of problematic. Yes, CA is bad. Doesn’t mean anyone else is better off because very affluent people have finally had enough.
Really: gird yourselves, those in other parts of the country that have not succumbed to madness, because these imports frankly don’t care, you will not make them care, and you should not underestimate this or the impact it can have.
Oops. Ignore the cancel, that was a cut paste error.
“California is losing a taxpayer roughly every minute”
Yes, but they are NOT losing a vote every minute. Those who “take from others” without contributing to society are gaining vast majorities in the “democratic process” as we’ve seen in NYC, NJ, VA, while the material producers are fleeing – and they didn’t vote for them anyway.
These cultural environments have a single philosophy:
“Success is NOT producing and contributing – it is taking others’ money, wealth, and freedom”.
If you are of the PROPER oligarchical caste(or wannabe), you will contribute to the Brown Shirts attacks of businesses, painting the windows and the streets to propagate fear, assassinate those you’ve identified as ‘fascist extremists’, gerrymander to remove ‘fascist extremists’ from the ‘majority’ voting process (and use them as your slaves from whom to “take from”, asserting they deserved it for their “extremist” views, then claim it is “government” (AKA, not blue non-urbans) who should be deprogrammed in order to make “socialism” successful).
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And as we see today, the easiest weapon is the “justice system” whose sword is beheading categorized opponents while protecting the brown shirts (vocal and physical) who are marching “for the good of the people” – and its sheath is the statue of limitations using obstruction, circular process, and downright intent to surpass the rule of law.
So, who’s losing on this one?
If you chop a taxpayer into 5 pieces, for example, the head, two arms and 1/2 torso and two legs, then Calif. is loosing a TP section every 20 seconds. This is far easier to understand than a yearly count or a percentage of lost revenue.
A flat tax would be fair. The exact same tax rate for every person earning money in America. Whether you make a million or a thousand, you’d pay the same percentage, while the dollar amounts would be vastly different. Of course, the far left fascists don’t want this, because they use the tax system to reward their friends and punish their enemies.
They don’t really care how much the rich pay in taxes, what they care about is hiw much they have left after paying taxes.
“A flat tax would be fair. The exact same tax rate for every person earning money in America.”
Sorry, that is incorrect. A fair tax would be “The exact same tax rate for every person receiving income or fungible benefits”. Why should the takers go unscathed?
Monty Python and the quest For The Holy Grail: “On second thought let’s no go to Camelot. It’s a silly place”.
‘There are many in states like Florida and Texas who worry that new residents from states like New York and California will replicate their prior voting patterns and produce the same disastrous policies in their new states.’
It’s justified, because they do. North Carolina and Colorado (look at the Western slope today compared to just ten years ago) would be a great examples today, but Texas is in the running, too. They don’t need to flip the entire state – just the largest areas, and they’ve got Houston, Austin, and are working on the Dallas Ft. Worth areas with some success. It happened in my home state as well, and it isn’t just policy – it’s often gentrification and inflation too, and people get displaced. Could easily happen in Florida, and these days, after a single election.
We are talking potentially many millions of people as this exodus continues – it could be a disaster for non-blue states, it is strictly about money, not a political change of heart, and it absolutely will have an impact. Red and Purple places had better be ready to steel themselves, or the losses in blue states won’t matter one iota.
Tucson, Phoenix and Flagstaff, all college cities have shifted AZ. from red to purple to blue.
“… all college cities…”
Maybe because young people are just looking for someone (the Government) to pay their bills. That’s very Democratic Party.
College has gotten so expensive, it’s no longer Home away from Home anymore.
Dartmouth, Ann Arbor, Berkeley, …. comes to mind – Those days are gone for the average Student.
You described it perfectly. When we moved to Colorado, except for Aspen and Boulder, Colorado was red. Then it was purple and now, after being californicated in the last 20 years, it’s deep blue. We’re tax and politics refugees from Colorado who moved to a red state that is now dangerously close to turning blue. As you stated, it only takes turning the big cities blue to flip the state. And the Dems know that.
It could be a well organized nomadic dem population , Mary. Census is every 10 years so it can be manipulated. Move to a State register to vote, vote and leave. Could be the nomadic marauders. Probably the point. It’s a full time marauder underground military of a sort.