The military has long had a saying that “when you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.” When it comes to impeachment power, Democrats have long acted as if every problem is a high crime and misdemeanor. After two impeachments against President Donald Trump (including what I labeled as an infamous “snap impeachment“), Democratic politicians and pundits are back calling for the impeachment of President Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
Rep. Shri Thanedar (D-Mich.) was the latest to prepare articles of impeachment. He is demanding the removal of Hegseth over his use of the encrypted messaging app Signal to convey battle plans and the “double tap” order on a disabled drug boat.
The Signal app controversy was a legitimate objection raised by critics. The Pentagon inspector general recently found that such use can endanger both missions and personnel, even though it did not appear to have resulted in damage in this case. Nevertheless, the Pentagon is claiming that the report is a “TOTAL exoneration of Secretary Hegseth.” That is hardly convincing. It is akin to Harris claiming that Gov. Josh Shapiro’s description of her book as “utter bulls**t” is a glowing review.
However, such a controversy does not even come close to meeting the constitutional standard for impeachment. Democrats did not call for the removal of Democratic presidents or cabinet members for such past controversies, including the use of social media and private email accounts.
The inclusion of the boat strike ignores how the war crimes story has collapsed this week. Even the New York Times and ABC News (and some Democratic members) now admit that it is not true that Hegseth gave an order to kill any survivors of these attacks or that such an order was issued by military commanders.
A finishing shot on a still floating vessel is not uncommon in war. There is a legitimate debate over the policy of striking these boats. However, in terms of the president’s inherent constitutional powers, he has the authority to strike such vessels outside the United States. Other presidents have asserted such authority. This includes President Barack Obama, who claimed in his “kill list” policy to have the right to kill even American citizens anywhere and at any time based on his unilateral decision that they represent an imminent threat to national security.
With respect to the laws of war, if the military had the authority to sink the boat, the commander could order a finishing shot or shots to complete the mission. It has long been common in war to deliver such finishing shots even when there are survivors on board or in the area of the vessel. The commander must not re-engage for the sole purpose of killing survivors. There is no evidence of any such order in this strike. The Washington Post based its sensational claim on a single anonymous source.
Throughout history (including the famed sinking of the Bismarck in World War II), there have been finishing shots delivered in sea engagements to destroy vessels.
The same is true with aerial attacks. It is common for the military to deliver multiple hits on a target if it is not completely destroyed despite the presence of wounded or survivors in the area. Once again, this does not mean the decision was correct or commendable in any given circumstance. Still, it falls within the discretion historically afforded to military commanders in achieving mission objectives.
In the end, the laws of war reflect the fluidity and uncertainty of military engagement. The “fog of war” is a reality of military conflicts, even with the added technological advances that we have today.
We still have not seen the full video and have not yet confirmed the timeline of orders. That will help establish if the successive strikes were plausibly tied to the mission objective of destroying the still floating vessel and stopping the salvaging of the drugs. It will also help establish that the boat and the drugs were indeed still viable targets. The latter recovery of survivors by the military would indicate that there was no “kill them all” policy with regard to survivors.
What is clear is that this is not even close to an impeachable offense.
Thanedar is not the only one reviving calls for impeachment.
Former CNN anchor Jim Acosta is calling for the impeachment of President Donald Trump over his “hateful comments” about the Minnesota Somali community, which he claims are grounds for impeachment:
“What needs to be said that isn’t being said enough in our press over the last 24 hours is that the President of the United States said a blatantly, obviously racist thing in the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday when he said what he said about Somali immigrants in this country. That they don’t contribute anything, that they’re not of value. In no normal world should the President of the United States of America ever, ever say something like that to the American people or even say it privately… I mean, if the President of the United States says it privately, it means he’s a bad person, and we should get rid of him.”
But to me, that was an impeachable moment. There have been so many impeachable moments since Donald Trump has come back to the White House, but to blatantly say something as racist and as hateful and as nasty and cruel and mean-spirited as what he said yesterday. The impeachment proceedings should begin right now. But of course, they won’t.”
There is a reason why they won’t . . . because this is ridiculous. Many of us have objected to the President’s comments about whole groups in this country. It is wrong to attack all Somalis in this country. I have previously written about how many of these immigrants from authoritarian nations embrace the essence of our country in seeking a free and better life.
However, past presidents have also used offensive or objectionable terms to refer to groups in the United States from Hillary Clinton’s reference to black men as “super predators” to Joe Biden’s referring to school desegregation as forcing white students to study in a “racial jungle” or claiming that any blacks who do not support him “ain’t black.”
I also do not remember these critics denouncing the attacks on figures like Elon Musk over his nationality.
The suggestion that these comments by Trump are an impeachable offense is absurd.
There is little danger that such impeachments will move forward. However, if Democrats retake the House, the impeachment impulse will be overwhelming.
OFF TOPIC: Antitrust | Contract Law
Michael Jordan testifies in NASCAR antitrust trial, says he had no choice but to sue ‘the entity’
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Retired NBA great Michael Jordan took the stand at the landmark NASCAR antitrust case Friday and testified that he has been a fan of the stock car series since he was a child but felt he had little choice but to sue to force changes in a business model he sees shortchanging teams and drivers risking their lives to keep the sport going.
By: Jenna Fryer – AP ~ December 5, 2025
https://apnews.com/article/nascar-antitrust-lawsuit-michael-jordan-gibbs-5d47be8ca9f298aec86bed707f96057b
Michael Jordan reveals why he’s suing NASCAR in antitrust case
‘Someone had to step forward,’ Jordan said
By: Jackson Thompson – Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/michael-jordan-reveals-why-hes-suing-nascar-anti-trust-case
Antitrust laws are unconstitutional.
Thank god for trump MAGMA
Make America Get Measles Again.
BIDEN did by letting so many illegals into the US
The CDC is unconstitutional.
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) must be a private sector industry regulatory association.
There is no enumerated power for Congress to regulate vaccines, healthcare insurance, or any medical organization or endeavor.
Americans are free to obtain medical advice and treatment from doctors, hospitals, and healthcare providers of their choice in the free markets of the private sector.
Next question.
The alleged drug boat at the center of a developing controversy was not on a course toward the United States, according to a new report.
Wait. WTF? We killed people that maybe weren’t heading the United States? Maybe didn’t have drugs on the boat?
War Crime or Murder, take your choice.
“400,000 Killed/Murdered by Drug Smugglers and Cartels That Supply the United States of America”
(But it’s ancillary, and that’s OK with Dumbs).
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AI Overview
It is impossible to give a single, exact number for the total deaths caused by drug cartels globally over the last 50 years, as data is inconsistent and difficult to track comprehensively. However, some estimates and statistics provide a sense of the scale of violence, such as Mexico’s drug war, which has resulted in a total of 350,000–400,000 total casualties between 2006 and 2020, with a significant portion attributed to cartel violence.
Mexico’s drug war: This ongoing conflict is a major source of violence, with an estimated 350,000–400,000 total casualties from 2006–2020.
Specific high-profile cases: The actions of individual drug lords, like Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, are linked to tens of thousands of deaths.
Regional variations: The level of violence varies significantly across different regions and countries, making it difficult to establish a global total.
It’s been identified as a narco-state or mafia-state as a political system. It’s organized crime as a political system. They corrupt and control the government and use government to literally rob the people. It leads to anarchy. The dims in the US are a syndicate. Jeffries is part of it telling people they must subsidize the continued increase in insurance. It’s robbery. Don’t do anything he says. Do the opposite.
Impeach Robert Kennedy Jr.
Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., on Friday urged the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s acting director not to sign off on new guidance that would end routine hepatitis B (HBV) vaccinations for newborns.
Cassidy made the comments after the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted in favor of the recommendation.
“As a liver doctor who has treated patients with hepatitis B for decades, this change to the vaccine schedule is a mistake,” Cassidy wrote in an X post on Friday. “The hepatitis B vaccine is safe and effective. The birth dose is a recommendation, NOT a mandate.”
Cassidy added that before the birth dose was recommended, 20,000 newborns a year were infected with hepatitis B.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-senator-calls-cdc-hepatitis-b-vaccine-change-a-mistake-makes-america-sicker
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Ironically it was Senator Cassidy who cast the deciding vote that confirmed Robert Kennedy Jr as Secretary of Health And Human Services. Cassidy did so only after Kennedy assured him that he would not promote anti-vaccine policies. That assurance was essentially an case of perjury. Kennedy has now packed the department with anti-vaxers who are actively sabotaging America’s health system.
If the mother tests negative for her then the vaccine can wait.
Democrats remind me of toddlers having a temper tantrum when they don’t get their way. Impeach away if you win the House in the mid-terms, it’s going nowhere and you will be three time losers.
Toddlers? They remind me of narcos killing people.
Tragedy
*. The drug weaponry runners should have life vests. If they see or hear an American jet, dive and swim like he// away from the boat. Small inflatable life boats after a good distance is achieved.
^^^^ additionally, Latin America is loaded with this stuff. It’s difficult to be rid of it. It comes by land, air and sea, tunnels. It’s madness. The Latin Americans must work for their daily bread but in the US a drug addict has safety nets.
The safety nets produced the addicts? There’s a lot of crime in Latin America Americans have never seen before. You’re getting a big gulp. Drug cartel government is a 3rd world government entity. They’re violent.
Use larger missiles but there are so many. Let’s see if it can be destroyed, Utterly dismantled.
They can’t hear a missile arriving at over the speed of sound from 10 miles away over the sound of the outboards and the water being shoved by the boat.
Nice quote here. Look it up…
“The two-day meeting of ACIP—the committee that once guided evidence-based U.S. vaccine policy before being upended under RFK Jr.—just wrapped. And… it was something else. Disgraceful. Unprepared. Dysfunctional. Incompetent. Terrifying. Embarrassing. Opaque.
Our children deserve better. Period.”
The ACIP must be a private sector industry regulatory association.
There is no enumerated power for Congress to regulate vaccines, healthcare insurance, or any medical organization or endeavor.
Americans are free to obtain medical advice and treatment from doctors, hospitals, and healthcare providers of their choice in the free markets of the private sector.
OT
Wajahat Ali:
“Whites, your mistake is you let us in. We are breeding people. Your culture suck. You already lost.”
…and then there’s the American fertility rate in a “death spiral,” do women have a duty to their country?
https://x.com/officer_Lew/status/1994936380724551779
Congress must impeach the JURISTOCRACY, that has “interpreted” the “teeth” and dominion out of the absolute constitutional rights, freedoms, privileges, and immunities of Americans—if rights and freedoms are not absolute, rights and freedoms do not exist.
The word “interpret” doesn’t even exist in the Constitution, yet it is the basis of the corruption of the judicial branch and is used to arbitrarily and capriciously modify and amend American fundamental law.
The judicial branch has but one duty, which is to merely ensure that actions comport with the “manifest tenor” of statutory and fundamental law, not rewrite it and “legislate from the bench.”
The portion of the Sedition Act of 1798 that criminalized criticism of the government (i.e. speech) was the initial failure of the judicial branch; the most egregious failure was the use, nay, abuse of not prohibited and fully constitutional secession, which carries the full weight and force of law per the 10th Amendment, to prosecute the legally preposterous, destructive, and unconstitutional Civil War, and it has been all downhill into the communist welfare state and abject communism ever since.
We really have a problem if Americans like the above did not learn from grade school civics and US history that (A) judicial review (including by federal district courts of the US president) goes all the way back to Marbury v. Madison; and (b) impeachment is a tool used against individuals, not ideas.
Throughout US history, lower courts have struck down Presidential executive orders. Such actions were upheld by SCOTUS. In fact, the Supreme Court cannot generally preside over a case that has not been first reviewed by a lower court. Some famous ones include: Panama Refining Co. v. Ryan (1935), Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States (1935), and Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer (1952).
Please educate yourself before you attempt to spew nonsense.
SPEWING includes using case law to excuse the obstructionist tactics of today’s nakedly-partisan lawyers, so adept at activating the lower-courts’ political interference with the executive branch.
In today’s successfully-political shams of “first review,” the serious and damaging nonsense of wordplay, the whole game of lawyering (these days), has become soiled, very little to do with “educated” response, and everything to do with political chicanery—
just because judicial review “goes all the way back” does not mean it reaches all the way forward to non-bias and sound judgments..
I literally have no idea what you are trying to say.
What it sounds like: “How dare you use US history and references to landmark cases to suggest that the above poster does not understand what the historical role of the US lower court system is!”
Of course, the counterpoint doesn’t occur to you: How dare you encourage and endorse judicial activism in favor of progressive/social policies for the purposes of political impedimenta. The point lost is that the historical role of the US lower court system is exploited, in the face of current politically-charged law-fare, i.e., leftist ideology and obstruction, and the lower courts have become the very tool of that obstruction. This is a sad time for jurisprudence and its historical roots, as well as a sad time for the country.
Start with the Sedition Act of 1798, which must have been struck down as unconstitutional and was not.
Please cite the Constitution for a prohibition of secession, and please find that secession is clearly constitutional per the 10th Amendment.
When you are unable to deny secession, go back and rescind every act, law, program, and consequence of Lincoln, up to and including the antithetical and unconstitutional “Reconstruction Amendments” of Karl Marx’s anti-American ideations.
When you’re done, please cite the Constitution for any power of Congress to tax for and fund anything other than debt, defense, and general welfare (i.e. security and basic infrastructure), which means that the entire communist American welfare state is unconstitutional.
The singular American failure is the judicial branch, with emphasis on the Supreme Court.
How ’bout this —-! Judicial review is not a power of the judicial branch enumerated by the Constitution. It is not in the Constitution, just as the word “interpret” is not in the Constitution. Judicial review is a “fake” power that people like this power-hungry swindler made up out of whole cloth, no matter the constitutional rights and freedoms denied to Americans. The judicial branch may merely ensure that actions comport with fundamental and statutory law. Further, the judicial branch may not usurp or exercise executive power because the executive power is vested in a president of the United States exclusively.
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AI Overview
The phrase “judicial review” isn’t in the U.S. Constitution; it’s an implied power established by the Supreme Court in Marbury v. Madison (1803), rooted in Article III (vesting judicial power in courts) and Article VI (the Supremacy Clause), meaning judges must uphold the Constitution as the highest law, thus striking down conflicting laws as void.
A power implied by an entity with no power to imply a power.
If the Supreme Court does not have the power of judicial review or to interpret the Constitution and laws, how is the Court going to strike down the Sedition Act as unconstitutional and settle other cases and controversies under its jurisdiction?
The judicial branch is going to judge; it is going to ensure that actions comport with statutory and fundamental law.
The judicial branch has no power to modify, interpret, or amend law, modify by “interpretation,” legislate, or “legislate from the bench.”
The judicial branch possesses no executive power and the judicial branch has no power to usurp or exercise executive power.
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Merriam-Webster
judge
verb
judged; judging
transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
“400,000 Killed/Murdered by Drug Smugglers and Cartels That Supply the United States of America”
(But it’s ancillary, and that’s OK with Dumbs).
__________________________________________________
AI Overview
It is impossible to give a single, exact number for the total deaths caused by drug cartels globally over the last 50 years, as data is inconsistent and difficult to track comprehensively. However, some estimates and statistics provide a sense of the scale of violence, such as Mexico’s drug war, which has resulted in a total of 350,000–400,000 total casualties between 2006 and 2020, with a significant portion attributed to cartel violence.
Mexico’s drug war: This ongoing conflict is a major source of violence, with an estimated 350,000–400,000 total casualties from 2006–2020.
Specific high-profile cases: The actions of individual drug lords, like Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, are linked to tens of thousands of deaths.
Regional variations: The level of violence varies significantly across different regions and countries, making it difficult to establish a global total.
Trump has dismissed the architect for the ballroom after disagreements resulting from Trump trying to micro-manage the plans.
Apparently, Trump had demanded that the project should include a McDonalds, but the architect resisted this demand, so he was fired.
WINNING!
ROFL – TDS to the max.
Looks like the pipe bomber is a Trump supporter.
This is awkward !!!!
All the theories that the Trump team, that Dan Bongino, that Kash Patel, everybody was saying was this was an inside job, this was somebody at the FBI, somebody from the CIA, someone from the Capitol police. They had always made it out to be that this was some kind of inside job.
What is it really?
It’s just a regular guy who believed Donald Trump’s conspiracy theories about 2020 and who allegedly took this action.
@Anonymous
Looks like Anonymous is the same disingenuous, lying, and potentially insane r**ard they are every day. Meh. 🤷🏻♂️ Nobody cares.
This guy’s a “patsy”; the “pipe bomber” was a false-flag plant used by the FBI as a decoy to draw police and security personnel away from the Capitol, where the FBI was fomenting a “spontaneous” riot by conservatives.
There is no reason to engage in the same unfounded speculation as the left does constantly.
We WILL know all that there is to know about Cole soon enough – just as we eventually have regarding Crooks, Luigi, Robinson and numerous others.
It unfortunately took years to get the trans manifesto of the Christian school shooter, and to learn that the christian school was just a target of oportunity after the real target – a public school was hardened.
Just as it has taken years to learn that pretty much all key Obama admin – including Biden not only KNEW the Steele Dossier was a Hoax, but they actually learned of it from sources in Russia, and that they deliberately chose to shill it as truth – using it as the foundation to open an unlawful and unconstitutional investigation.
Now we are learning that Judge Boasberg was so much of a left wing nut Stooge that he rubber stamped FBI warrants without bothering to read them and learn that he had just unlawfully approved searches of Congressmen.
Boasberg should be removed for incompetence. Yet this is someone who appears over and over in the lawfare against Trump.
Is he politically biased ? Without a doubt. But it is not necescary to prove that.
All that matters is that his decisions can only be explained by political bias OR incompetence.
That no one – Right or left qualified to be a judge would do as he did.
And Boasberg is NOT some recent appointment – he has been serving as a federal judge for a very long time,
and has held extremely important roles – such as presiding over the FISA court.
Even if he is not impeached – he should be forced to retire, or sent for retraining, or just be removed from the rotation so that no future cases are assigned to him.
There are many things that Roberts can actually do to reign in Rogue and incompetent judges.
Yes, and look into why this investigation was evidently and deliberately delayed for five years by Christopher Wary and the FBI hierarchy.
The hoax is the claim the sole basis for investigating was the Steele Dossier. The investigation started before the dossier was presented to the FBI
“But Ratcliffe is wrong to say the dossier “started all of this.” Competing memos from the Republicans and the Democrats on the House intelligence committee both say that information about George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, had prompted the FBI investigation in July 2016.
Papadopoulos had contacts with Russian intermediaries during the campaign, according to the Justice Department, and later pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. While he was a Trump campaign adviser, Papadopoulos met with a professor with connections to Russian government officials who told him “about the Russians possessing ‘dirt’ on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of ‘thousands of emails,’” and he tried to arrange a meeting between the Russian government and the campaign, the DOJ’s statement of the offense said.
A memo released Feb. 2, 2018, by the Republicans on the House intelligence committee raised concerns about the use of the dossier in an application from the DOJ and FBI under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to conduct electronic surveillance on Carter Page, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser. But it said the “Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016.”
The Democrats on the House intelligence committee agreed with that, saying in a memo released Feb. 24, 2018, that the FBI investigation started “more than seven weeks” before the FBI received Steele’s intelligence reporting in mid-September of that year.
The two sides disagree about how essential the dossier was to the FISA court application to monitor Page. But one of the few points of agreement is that the FBI investigation began with information on Papadopoulos.
After the GOP memo was released, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, also a member of the intelligence committee, said the dossier didn’t have any effect on the Russia investigation. “I actually don’t think it has any impact on the Russia probe,” Gowdy said on Feb. 4, 2018, on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”
Gowdy mentioned other incidents that had nothing to do with the dossier, including Papadopoulos’ contacts with the professor and the June 9, 2016, Trump Tower meeting Donald Trump Jr. arranged with what he was told was a “Russian government attorney” offering incriminating information on Hillary Clinton. “So there’s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.””
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/
The truth is nobody thought that Trump was someone worth Putin’s collaboration. Trump isn’t smart enough to participate at Putin’s level and this has been demonstrated again and again as Putin manipulates Trump as one would a house cat with a laser pointer. Trump is a mentally feeble narcissist who is easily flattered and therefore easily led.
And for goodness sake John Say, don’t ever check your work – the stupid misspellings are as endearing as a crayon drawing of a 6 year old on a refrigerator.
“Quiet, Quiet, Piggy”
Per the FBI.
The bomber was buying stuff for the bombs back in 2019..
OOPS.
Way before Jan 6th.
“Looks like the pipe bomber is a Trump supporter.”iden FBI.
Where did you get that ? The same “respected pundits” who claimed that he was white ?
Regardless – we shall see.
In the event the bomber is a Trump supporter – The TRUMP DOJ/FBI got him.
NOT the Biden FBI/DOJ.
But that will not stop idiots on the left from Claiming that Trump, Bondi, Patel are politically corrupt and incompetent.
If the bomber was a Trump supporter – THEY – not Biden/Garland/Wray who should have been motivated to do so caught him – and are looking to prosecute to the full extent of the law.
That said I doubt he is a Trump supporter – we DO now know this person was supsected by the FBI.
If he was a Trump supporter – no solid evidence would have been needed for Biden/Garland/Wray and the corrupt DC courts to prosecute and fry him. They sent Grandmothers to jail for entering the Capitol through open doors.
The odds of this person being a Trump supporter are small.
But the odds of The Biden admin being incompetent and politically corrupt have risen dramatically. o
As to all the conspiracy theories – I can provide a long list of actual unfounded conspiracy theories from the left.
But not from the Right. There are people – left and right that have floated all kinds of guesses regarding the bomber.
And there still are – such as left wing nuts claiming that he was white.
But there are very few who have made ACTUAL claims.
It is not a “conspiracy theory” to wonder about suspicious circumstances.
It is to make clear claims without evidence – like “The bomber was white”
With respect to the bombers Ideology, there is no reason to make guesses as you are doing.
As with many others – like Luigi, Crooks, Robinson ad many others – we WILL eventually KNOW.
It took over a Year – but the supposed nonexistant Social Media Presence of Thomas Crooks showing his shift to the radical left eventually came to light.
The same happened a bit faster with Tyler Robinson.
We will ALL know what there is to know about Cole – soon enough.
But you are free to speculate now and be proven a fool later.
“. . . who believed Donald Trump’s conspiracy theories about 2020 . . .”
You have a challenging relationship with time.
The presidential election took place in November 2020.
Cole started planning the attacks, and purchasing the bomb-making equipment in *2019*.
And a Democrat stooge is born….(or at least reveals himself).
Really: what does the modern dem party or the MSM have to offer other than literal and very blatant lies that double as insults to the intelligence of anyone with a pulse, irrational rage, and vindictiveness with promised future false prosecution and potential violence? If that is all their voters require, I would say they have ceased to be logical or human. Who is this still impressing, and how concerned should we be about it? You old-school liberals really need to disavow yourselves of the notion that blue represents anything other than abject tyranny in 2025, and you need to do it to your core, no matter how hard that truth might be for you.
There is no other word for the modern left than ‘madness’. Sane and healthy people do not behave this way. The left do not want to work together, they want to rule empirically and finally; they want a global caste society in which they will never lose their rule, and that sounds an awful lot like the dark ages – but on steroids. These are not the ‘educated’ class or the bearers of peace, those are also lies – these are ignorant and frankly insane people hell bent on forcing themselves on a planet of billions of free-thinking people due to no other clear factor than their own self-perceived privilege and self-importance. The modern left are the old fascists in a new generational wrapper, yet somehow worse – and that’s it, and it is also true.
If America stands as the last bastion of actual freedom in the Western world- fine. But it’s high time we sh*t can the modern left altogether. They do not have a single hope of reform remaining, only fracture and irrelevance in free society.
Is fox MSM? just curious
Well….Hegseth’s constantly changing story about the extrajudicial killings and the ridiculous excuses, even Turley’s poor attempt to carry water for Hegseth seems to merit impeachment. Murdering boat survivors because they…survived would seem to be a clear case for impeachment. It’s both a crime and a war crime when there is no real combat.
Bull
Just can’t stop lying can ya george
I am not sure why murder would not be considered a high crime or misdemeanor.
It is murder to conduct to kill civilians in an armed conflict (as the admin claims it is doing!) without congressional authorization following the 60-day notice period.
Mr. Dustoff, can you point me to the congressional approval given for this armed conflict?
Speak with O-dumber & Biden.
Then get back to us.
They guys in the boat aren’t armed. Therefore, no “armed conflict.”
X this may be hard for left wing nuts to grasp but there is a chain of command.
Orders flow DOWN – At the Sec Def level those orders are “The Navy is directed to thwart the flow of Drugs from Venezeuala”, While the order to fire a second shot at a Drug boat was likely given by an officer below the rank of capitan.
After the event, the details of what happened flow back UP the chain of command.
Regardless as Turley noted in fairly copious detail – you can Question whether the decisions here were Wise.
There is no question they were legal and within the power of the president.
As I noted earlier – the US navy was first created to go after the Barbary pirates.
“The Barbary pirates were privateers from North African states who captured American merchant ships and demanded ransom or tribute. In response, the United States built six frigates, which played a crucial role in the First Barbary War (1801-1805) ”
Privateers are private actors with charters from Nation States to engage in targeted piracy.
This is very much like the relationship of Drug Cartels and Venezeula.
US Presidents can order the killing of people outside the US who are a threat to the lives of US Citizens and have been doing so since John Adams.
John Say,
“While the order to fire a second shot at a Drug boat was likely given by an officer below the rank of capitan.”
You’re making it up as you go along. Assuming a lower-ranked officer would make that decision after Hegseth already started pointing the finger at the commander in charge of the operation speaks volumes about your ignorance.
Hegseth gave the order to kill everyone regardless of status. That is an illegal order that shouldn’t have been followed. The excuses for the killings are getting so stupid that even Republican committee members are not buying it.
Killing survivors who were clinging to debris is no threat to anyone. We just gave other countries and our enemies ample justification to do the same thing to us. Because if we are fine with killing survivors. Why shouldn’t everyone else?
Just like the murder of a young women who posed no threat on Jan 6th
Remember george
Then gave the shooter an award.
After the tip of the spear enters the damage has started. The rest of the crowd pushing behind her would have continued through the break and overrun the security guarding the Legislators. She was given ample warning to withdraw and chose to go forward. This is an established Stand you Ground defense.
It is not up to the President to make illegal decisions and issue illegal orders on that basis. He claims an “armed conflict” but has presented no evidence to Congress. He witters on about fentanyl, but most of the craft attacked were seemingly coming from non-fentanyl producing countries. He has presented no, zero, evidence, that drugs were on these vessels. That destroyed on 2 September supposedly had eleven aboard. Eleven? Just to smuggle drugs in a motorboat? That is pushing the boundaries of credibility and any good intelligence officer would question the assessment of drugs.
Whichever officer ordered a second strike after 41 minutes had elapsed, whether the Admiral or “an officer below the rank of captain”, should be relieved of duty and placed under criminal investigation for a breach of LOAC. They may be able to justify their actions, but there is a prima facie case against them. Mr Say routinely rants that HE KNOWS that James and Comer are criminals, yet does not think potential humanitarian crimes should be investigated. Which tells you all you need to know about Mr Say…
The war crime story has not collapsed. Just today, it was reported that the boat was not successfully flipped, that there were no radio communications, and that the only basis for deeming the survivors “in the fight” was the potential for contraband on a capsized boat without any other enemy ships detected nearby to somehow float back to Venezuela, regroup, and then launch again for the US. If that was a reasonable standard for deeming a survivor “in the fight” vs hors de combat, then what could possibly be out of the fight?
There is nothing in the Laws of War Manual that suggests that a part of a boat, that is still floating, would make survivors in the fight. The status of hors de combat is determined by an individual’s inability to participate in hostilities, not the condition of the vessel. If the hostility is the transport of illegal drugs to the US, then a survivor in a floating but inoperable piece of a capsized boat can no longer participate in such hostility, especially if he has no ability to communicate to fellow enemies.
For the discovery that there was no radio communications means that the NYT article that you cited previously as “debunking” WaPo was inaccurate, meaning defense sources were lying:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/us/hegseth-drug-boat-strike-order-venezuela.html#:~:text=The%20two%20officials%20questioned%20whether,boat%20attacks%20have%20been%20lawful.
The NYT article report: “One of the officials said the U.S. military intercepted radio communications from one of the survivors to what the official said were narco-traffickers. If so, members of Congress could request those communications as part of its oversight investigation.”
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/04/politics/strike-lawmakers-briefing-radio-survivors
The CNN report on the briefing:
The new evidence that Bradley briefing clarified no radio communications were detected via Senator Cotton:
“Cotton told CNN on Friday he did not see evidence of the men on the boat trying to use a radio to call for help.”
I won’t wait for your story on how the NYT article was “debunked” by Admiral Bradley’s briefing, of course.
The war crime story has not collapsed.
Obama’s war crime story never even got an inch above the ground in order to collapse. There’s a reason it’s the Democrat-Marxist Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex. And the main tool of it’s trade is hypocrisy, accompanied by a demand that no one shall recognize that hypocrisy.
The Impact of Obama’s Drone Strikes on Weddings: A Forgotten Tragedy
https://dev-workbench.com/news/the-impact-of-obamas-drone-strikes-on-weddings-a-forgotten-tragedy.html
It is truthful for a change for our resident Democrat lying apparatchiks to claim that the Democrat-Marxist Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex is being effective in using this as a diversion and hypocritical controversy to save Flight Leader Kelly and his Blue Falcon Squadron who were going down in flames for defaming our military, legal, and CIA leaders as supposedly being criminals issuing criminal orders to their subordinates.
It would be very illuminating to compare the column inches devoted by the above mentioned NYT and CNN devoted to covering Obama first wiping out a wedding party with scores of wives and women present just to get one suspected terrorist. And then after that, after first responders gathered to give aid to any wounded survivors, a second missile for some reason or other was fired into that group as well.
Who among the resident communist Obama/Biden apparatchiks here want to step up and boldly claim that the NYT and CNN devoted the same amount of column inches and minutes to demanding answers, insinuating crimes were committed in the killing of all those women and children as they are on this strike on this boat?
Any of you want to claim there was equal coverage? Even one of you?
No, of course you don’t. We knew that already, it was a rhetorical question.
Not sure why the response is whataboutism. I am a libertarian, who thinks all of these actions are war crimes (or really, murder, because none of this is congressionally authorized).
Everyone on this site seems to think in terms of Team Red vs. Team Blue, rather than right and wrong. Sad.
‘Yes But’ I could respond: being a common refrain in any argument to show dissimilar outcome of events. Believing what’s occurring as war crimes and murder without congressional authorization is incongruent. War Crime or Murder by any governmental body does not change regardless of authorization.
Regarding the intent of intercepting illegal drugs destined for America, I believe it is appropriate to destroy their assets; as a consequence, causalities will occur. The shippers have been warned of the consequences.
“War Crime or Murder by any governmental body does not change regardless of authorization.”
Of course it does. The laws of war only apply during armed conflict. Armed conflict can only be engaged without congressional approval pursuant to the War Powers Resolution of 1973. The President must terminate use of force within 60 days unless Congress has authorized the use of military force. It has been 94 days since the the Sept 2 strike.
Therefore, there is no legitimate armed conflict, and any strikes following the initial 60-day period are clearly murder.
“Of course it does. The laws of war only apply during armed conflict.”
False. The laws of war apply (or do not) all the time.
The Laws of War – in fact ALL international law is an example of millenia old functional anarcho capitalsim.
The laws of War are entirely violuntarily – not only do nations choose to obey them – they are free to disobey. There is no world government, no meaningful World law enforcement.
The US in particular as the biggest dog can choose to follow the laws of war or not – and there is little anyone can do about it.
“Armed conflict can only be engaged without congressional approval pursuant to the War Powers Resolution of 1973. The President must terminate use of force within 60 days unless Congress has authorized the use of military force.”
Correct – but that has nothing to do with the laws of War. Nor does it have anything to do with what is occuring in the Pacific and Caribean.
Drug interdiction is not “armed conflict”.
This is more similar to an embargo than an armed conflict.
Regardless it is a tremendous reach to claim the War Powers Act applies.
You are free to sue the government if you beleive it does.
Good luck.
” Therefore, there is no legitimate armed conflict, and any strikes following the initial 60-day period are clearly murder.
False, even if your weak war powers claim were correct, all that would mean would be that the US Navy’s actions in the Pacific and Caribean are not constitutional.
You could try to impeach Trump on that basis – good luck with that.
But it does not change that actions into crimes.
The constitutional authority of the president to kill people outside the US who are a threat to the US are not limited by the War Powers act.
The War Powers act MIGHT apply if the US invaded Venezuella – as Bush did in Panama to get Noriega
It is not going to apply to what is essentially an embargo of illegal drugs from a hostile foreign power.
The “whataboutism” that you rant about – as well as Turley’s entire article is the evidence that your claims are unhinged from the law and constitution and reality.
I would disagree with Turley on ONE point – the idiotic impeachments of Trump by Democrats have established that the House can constitutionally impeach for whatever reason they wish.
The text of the constitution provides no enforcement mechanism for the criteria for impeachment.
There is no apeal to an unconstitutional basis for impeachment.
That is the bad news for Trump. Should democrats regain the house in 2026 the can and likely will impeach Trump and others over and over.
If as is highly likely Republicans retain the Senate these impeachments will not result in trials.
If Democrats regain the Senate – they will not result in convictions or removals.
What they will do is make fools of democrats – so “GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY”
There is little that Democrats could do to strengthen Trump then to impeach him over somthing like interdicting Drugs.
I agree. Just because Trump calls them “narco terrorists” doesn’t make them so. They are basically smugglers and traffickers on boats that cannot reach the US and do not represent a clear or imminent threat to the US. As a comparison boats with drugs are regularly intercepted by the USCG in domestic waters and they are not blown out of the water. They are intercepted, drugs confiscated and the smugglers charged according to the law. If they are convicted they are not executed but sentenced to prison.
Of course Pres. Trump can always pardon them as he did with former Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernández serving 45 yrs after his conviction for smuggling hundreds of tons of Cocaine (coincidentally the same drug those boats carry) into the US.
The last comment may be interpreted as my being on team Red which could not be further from the truth.
Moreover the Coast Guard’s 2024 report showed that drug interdictions were wrong 27% of the time. Rand Paul noted this back in October I believe.
So ? The standards that apply to military actions are not th same as those that apply to law enforcement.
Obama killed a US Citizen without due process.
Drone strikes – whether by Clinton, Bush, Obama Trump or Biden killer more innocent civilians that terrorist targets.
Inside of US Territorial waters the CG is obligated to provide ‘due process”.
I would further note that the odds of a vessel coming from the Ocean to the US being a drug boat are significantly lower than a Vessel coming From Venezuela into the open ocean headed to the US.
That does not matter with respect to the US excercise of military power outside the US,
But it does matter with respect to the moral case.
Killing people without due process is wrong. I don’t care if Obama did it or trump did it. It is wrong and should be prosecuted.
And with no statute of limitations. So should Obama be imprisoned in Ft. Leavenworth or GTMO?
The “Narco Terrorism” finding is based on the involvment of the Maduro regime.
This is little different – except thus far LESS aggressive than Bush’s operation Just Cause targeting Manuel Noriega – again for Drug dealing.
There is ZERO doubt these actions are within the presidents lawful and constitutional powers.
But sue if you wish.
You are free to argue that they are unwise – and they may be.
But unwise and unlawful are not the same.
BTW the standard is NOT an imiment threat.
In this case the standard is the deliberate effort of a hostile Foreign power to destabilze the US
Again no different from Noreiga – nor the UK efforts to destabilize China over a century ago.
” As a comparison boats with drugs are regularly intercepted by the USCG in domestic waters and they are not blown out of the water. They are intercepted, drugs confiscated and the smugglers charged according to the law. If they are convicted they are not executed but sentenced to prison.”
Correct – once they enter US Teritorial waters those engaged gain some US constitutional rights.
This is not about Team Red or Team Blue.
It is about Team USA
What is strange is that Team Blue is NOT on Team USA.
Atleast you are consistent – that separates you from most left wing nuts.
Though so long as you are posting as Anonymous you claims to any ideology can only be judged by your instant post.
The libertarian argument is against the entire Drug War.
Govenrment has no right to dictate what people should or should not want.
They have no legitmate power to preclude people from acting in ways that do notdirectly harm others.
The violence in the Drug trade – is no different from the violence in ALL black markets – it is caused by stupidly making free exchange illegal.
Real Libertarains are ecstatic that Trump commuted the sentence of Ross Ulbricht – Dread Pirate roberts.
And note that Silk Road provided the means for people who wanted drugs to buy them – safely without violence and with dramatically reduced risks of adulteration. There is no evidence that anyone ever accidentally overdosed from Drugs bought on the Silk Road.
Over and over the evidence establishes that legalizing the sale of Drugs (an sex), does not effect the demand for drugs but it does dramatically reduce the violent crime as well as quality control problems with illegal drugs.
But neither the red team or the blue team are prepared to end the idiotic drug war.
Given that we are stuck with the drug war, the lessor evil is to preclude hostile nation states from exploiting the desire for drugs to wage war.
China is pushing Fentanyl into the US in retaliation for the west – mostly the UK’s use of Opium to destabilize China more than a century ago – the US was not a significant participant in that, though we are Xi’s primary target.
Maduro is similarly using Drugs to wage an undeclared war against the US and to personally profit.
Neither Republicans are going to abandon the Drug War.
Again the lessor evil is to defeat those nations that turn it into an actual war.
Libertarians in general are not isolationists, they are not anti-war.
They are vigorously opposed to wars where our national interests are not threatened.
As an actual libertarian – one who votes primarily for libertarains when that choice exists.
I hope that Maduro accepts the alleged offer of Asylum in Qatar and Venezeuala has the oportunity to restore the good government that in the past gave it the highest standard of living in South America – as opposed to today where it has the worst.
I strongly suspect that is ALSO part of Trump’s “immigration” strategy.
The collapse of socialism in Venezeulla will inspire significant numbers of Venezuelans to return to their homes
and restore Venzuella to prosperity – which would be good fo Venezuellans and for the US.
Ano
who thinks all of these actions are war crimes.
Now can you prove it? Using O-dumbers actions as proof.
Hop in your time machine and go back to 2012 and raise a complaint.
For the rest of us, the here and now, are seeing an authoritarian figure drawing the focus away from his consolidation of power away from the Judiciary and the Legislature. The crimes are committed to test those who would be in a position to stop him – when they don’t he will know that he can murder at will. This is the plan behind Project 2025.
Ano
For the rest of us, the here and now, are seeing an authoritarian figure drawing the focus away from his consolidation of power away from the Judiciary and the Legislature.
Like O-dumber did, but you fools said what?
ZIP!
ATS
You do not seem to grasp that not only are you wrong – but almost no one cares.
Did the NYT debunk the story ?
No, because the story was Prebunked.
As Turley notes in this article – The US (and other countries) have been acting like this from the time of President Adam’s
The story of the sinking of the Bismark is one of MANY instances in which forces what were no longer a threat were destroyed without concern for survivors because they could be a threat at sometime in the future.
You can dislike those decisions – but that does not change the fact they WILL occur and few people will seek to second guess them.
Private Ryan comes to mind.
*. The most disturbing part of this article is: Obama saying he had authority to kill any American anywhere at anytime . He did so. Not Americans, Mr. Obama.
He should be arrested immediately for 1st degree murder. Perhaps we now know who gave the order to murder Charlie Kirk.
Did trump already pardon the suspected Jan 6 bomber?
https://www.alternet.org/msn-uk/trump-jd-bomber/
Did trump already pardon the suspected Jan 6 bomber?
alternet and the Marxist UK! The biracial intersectional marriage that is the breeding ground of conspiracy theory stupidity. Now home to the children who were raised on reddit.
The guy arrested was a Jan 6 trump believer. Trump did a blanket pardon for anyone associated with the insurrection.
CORRECTION: the staged “insurrection.”
ATS – please read the Text of the order.
People who were CONVICTED were pardoned or commuted.
That and only that is irreversable.
Cole was not convicted.
DOJ was directed to seek dismissal with predjudice those who were indicted at the time of the order.
Only the courts can actually dismiss with predjudice – regardless Cole was not under indictment at that time
That portion of the order does not apply to him.
When have you left wing nuts ever been right on an issue of law ?
This is a legal blog – there is an expectation that commenters do not just make things up.
Read Trump’s actual order.
No Trump did not pardon Cole.
He did not pardon anyone who was not already convicted.
Nor did he order DOJ not to prosecute anyone who was not already indicted.
John Say the Stupid says, “This is a legal blog – there is an expectation that commenters do not just make things up.
He is the one who consistently ” just make things up.”
The latest example is his assertion yesterday that the judgment of Judge Currie invalidating the appointment of Lindsay Halligan has already been appealed by DOJ.
There is no appeal.
There is no notice of appeal.
They will not appeal because they know they will lose.
This is stupid – the answer is NO.
Read the actual order.
First it has 3 parts.
A pardon,
A commutation
and a directive to the DOJ.
All three while not naming specific individuals provide criteria that apply only two very specific individuals knowable at the time of the order.
The pardons an commutions ONLY apply to those CONVICTED as the time of the order.
The Directive of to the DOJ to cease prosecuting and seek a dismissal with predjudice,
id purely an executive order – it is not a commutation or pardon,
and it ONLY applies to those who have already been indicted.
Further only the courts can issue a dismissal with predjudice – DOJ ca only seek that.
Cole was not convicted for this prior to the Pardon being issued.
Therefore he was neither pardoned nor commuted.
He was not indicted for this prior to the order being issued – therefore that part of the order does not apply to him.
But even if it did – Trump can rescind an EO – he can not rescind a Pardon or commutation.
Coles lawyers are free to argue otherwise – and I would expect they will.
That is what any good defense lawyer would do.
But they will lose.
OT, Sort Of–
Is anybody besides me surprised at the large number of drug boats speeding toward our shores?
I never imagined the problem was this great.
Blow them all up. They seem hard to discourage.
But I think I would be tempted to let one or two get through to find out who is on the receiving end. They need to be dealt with too.
So you want to be judge, jury, and executioner?
In no state is it a capitol offense to sell or deliver drugs to another person.
In no state is it a capitol offense to sell or deliver drugs to another person.
Communists attempting to make this a states rights versus Executive Branch powers as previously used by their Marxist and communist former presidents like Clinton, Obama, and Biden is a failure on a massive scale. Even for Democrat apparatchiks operating from the slime of the Democrat Borg.
To close with a similar strawman building sentence as you used: So you or at least your state want to take responsibility for 100,000+ thousand Americans killed by this narco-terrorist poison across the entire country?
You do??? Well then, just say so and cut the evasive crap to get to your point!!!
Was the pardoned ex-Honduran President, convicted of trafficking 400 tons of coke into the US, “narco-terrorist poison”? If this were really a priority for the administration, why would we pardon him?
There is no states rights issue here at all.
None of this is occuring inside a US State.
Contra those on the left here – this is no different from killing terrorists in Yemen,
and less heinous that Killing US citizens who are terrorists in Yemen.
Ask that of O-dumber.
Libs had no issue when he did it
“In no state is it a capitol offense to sell or deliver drugs to another person.”
Correct – and these people are not being killed in the US where they would be entitled to constitutional rights and due process.
So you can just kill people outside our country? You are a sick person, seek help.
Ano
So you can just kill people outside our country.
I agree, O-dumber IS sick.
Now on to the next story.
But I think I would be tempted to let one or two get through to find out who is on the receiving end. They need to be dealt with too.
How many years and dozens of defense lawyers and judges do you estimate you will have to get through to find out anything?
Information from people who willing risk being killed by rival cartels far more than they now risk being killed as narco-terrorists by the USA?
People who also know that their fellow narco-terrorists that they work for will happily butcher every living family member or relative back where they came from if they say a single thing.
Deterrence works when the personal risk is greater than the criminal rewards.
how the heck do you think all the drugs get here? These are tiny boats. The US, in case you were unaware, abuses a lot of drugs.
Supply and demand, pretty basic.
Where’s the proof that these boats, with nothing more than an outboard motor, were “speeding toward our shores”, the closest of which was 1,700 miles away? Could these boats reach the US with a tank of gas and an outboard motor? You cannot believe Whiskey Pete, Kashyip Patel or Bottle Blondie because they lie. All of the time. About everything.
What now, you claim these are fishermen.
LOL
“Boats with nothing more than outboard engines?” What an idiot. They have the equivalent of about 1,500 horsepower high powered engines and can exceed 100 mph on the open water.
Bingo.
I didn’t see any fishing rods either.
Can these boats go 1,700 miles on one tank of gas, regardless of the kind of engine they had? Of course not. They were nowhere close to the US, and could not have possibly been headed here. And, I DO believe the experts who say that they only had outboard engines, similar to ski boats used on inland lakes in the US. And, explain to me how shipwrecked sailors clinging to the hull of a burning boat could possibly constitute some threat to our military. They couldn’t. They didn’t have weapons or radios. There were no nearby “comrades”. It’s a lie, and nothing but an intimidation technique to display Trump’s power and the degree to which he has emasculated Republicans who will defend him even when he commits murder.
And, if Trump is so all-fired ready to curb importation of illegal drugs, WHY did he pardon that Honduran cocaine smuggler, who sent us literally hundreds of tons of cocaine? Explain that one, if you can. From USA Today:
“Trump said Nov. 28 that he planned to pardon former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez. A White House official and Hernandez’s attorney, Renato Stabile, confirmed Dec. 2 that the pardon has been issued. Stabile said Hernandez was released early Dec. 2 from a federal prison, where he was serving a 45-year sentence “for cocaine importation and related weapons offenses,” according to the Justice Department.
Hernandez was convicted in March of 2024 after a three-week jury trial in New York City. He was “at the center of one of the largest and most violent drug-trafficking conspiracies in the world,” helping to bring more than 400 tons of cocaine into the U.S., the Justice Department said in a news release last year after his conviction.”
“Can these boats go 1,700 miles on one tank of gas, regardless of the kind of engine they had? Of course not. ”
Correct – but they can carry additional tanks of gas. Perhaps you should look at what people who attempt a “Cannonball Run” do to their cars before trying to go From NYC to LA in 24hrs.
Regardless, it is unlikely they are making a non-stop trip to the US.
They are likely refeuling – either from Travelers or at small islands.
And some may be attempting to bring Drugs to places other than the US
“I DO believe the experts who say that they only had outboard engines, similar to ski boats used on inland lakes in the US.”
ROFL – no one is using a jetski 15miles into the ocean.
“And, explain to me how shipwrecked sailors clinging to the hull of a burning boat could possibly constitute some threat to our military. ”
They were NEVER a threat to our military – they and the drugs they are carrying are a threat to US Citizens.
and remain a threat until sunk or captured.
You are free to argue that these people should be captured.
But as Turely notes – there is no LEGAL requirement that they be captured.
Navies accross the world have sunk ships – war ships and war commerce vessels – even after they were disabled and survivors in the ocean.
“They couldn’t. They didn’t have weapons or radios. There were no nearby “comrades”. It’s a lie, and nothing but an intimidation technique to display Trump’s power and the degree to which he has emasculated Republicans who will defend him even when he commits murder.”
What is the lie ? Something no one is saying ?
The question is whether the military can sink these vesels. Read Turley – they can.
NOT whether any reason you can concoct that they should not sink them has been disproven to your satisfaction.
I would further note that you are ranting about tactics, and ignoring strategy.
The purpose of all of his is to bring down socialist narco-terrorist Maduro.
It is NOT to kill him or incarcerate him – though that might happen,
The Trump adminsitration is purportedly negotiating an assylum deal for him with some Mideastern Oil Sultanate.
The strategy is to END the socialist Narco-terroism of Maduro.
The terminate Venezuela as a socialist Narco Terroist state an to restore it as a properous free market democracy.
That is a foreign policy goal. Sinking Drug boats is simply ONE means within the powers of the US president to that end.
Further this is a message to other governments in Central and South America to divorce themselves from Drug Lords.
This is not just a message to Maduro but regimes in bed with or providing cover for Drug Lords.
And it is a message to China that is supplying the raw materials for global Fentanyl manufacture.
What…
First of all, you fools claimed these were just “poor” fishermen.
But they can afford these very expensive boats and equipment.
It’s not used for fishing, that’s for sure.
By the way, who is paying for this.
While correct, most important is that they are boats that would NOT be used in the way that they are for any legitimate purpose.
You do not travel 15mi out into the oceans in a speedboat to fish.
You do not go out past the continental shelf to dive.
The navy can KNOW what these boats are being used for by observing what they are doing.
Anon 1:51pm – Try looking up “Cigarette” boats, which are very similar to the ones being used to run drugs. They carry extra fuel, and have 4 or 5 LARGE outboard motors. The USCG has difficulty being outrun by these “speedboats”, and have to use air-support to track them. Your willful ignorance about supposed “fishing boats” being used is simply horseshit.
WHERE’S the proof of anything you say? There isn’t any. I didn’t see 4 or 5 engines, and even if there were, it’s still not illegal to drive around the Pacific in such a watercraft.
And, the territorial waters of the US do not extend out 1,700 miles where these incidents occur. The US simply cannot blow up boats out in the Pacific and kill unarmed sailors who survive.
To piggy back, the more space needed for gas and people the less room for drugs. if your moving that much weight you dont want a straight shot that can be tracked 1700 miles away and the gas needed would lose lots of space for drugs. also most drugs come through ports and commercial shipping.
Correct, pretty much nothing is illegal in international waters.
Including blowing the speedboats of narco terrorists to bits.
“The US simply cannot blow up boats out in the Pacific and kill unarmed sailors who survive.”
Actually they can – as can any nation. Though that might cause some friction with the nation of the boats sunk.
In this case Venezeulla. Outside the far left there is no groundswell of opposition to this.
John.
I would think these so called sailors are armed.
Look what they are carrying.
“ US simply cannot blow up boats out in the Pacific”
The US proved it can.
And these boats go much faster than helicopters? How about fighter jets like those found on U.S. Aircraft Carriers?
And proof? These killings began in September. Not one shred of proof has ever been brought forward.
Just one more question. Where in the United States is the penalty for running drugs punishable by death?
Ano
And these boats go much faster than helicopters.
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The Navy/Marines use the AH-1Z Viper attack helo.
Top speed is 180mph with a range of 370 miles.
ATS – does not matter.
While you are wrong on the facts – these are no dingy’s with outboard motors.
Those would not last very long on the open ocean.
Even if you were correct – Fishermen do not use speedboats, or even dingy’s with outboard on the open ocean.
No one does. Atleast not in this way.
Young,
You already know who is on the receiving end – they are drug users. You can find them collapsed or nearly so, on the street. Blowing up people on the street might make a huge mess, so maybe you have some other ideas?
Drug users are on the receiving in but the guys in the boats aren’t making big money; it’s the cartels organizing the reception and handling of the drugs that I want identified and imprisoned along with their political pals who enable this business.
The entire chain from farm to sea to shore to cartels needs to be broken.
Latest reports are that at least one of the boats blown up was not heading to the United States.
How about a full disclosure of all the evidence?
Ano
Did you miss the important part. (open sea)