Epstein’s Last Casualty Could Be Grand Jury Secrecy

Below is my column in The Hill on the fallout from the release of the Epstein files from grand-jury and congressional investigations. As various figures are hounded over embarrassing emails, we need to ask about the implications of such a wholesale release. One can be in favor of transparency without dismissing the impact on third parties who are not accused of any criminal conduct.

Here is the column:

There are few characters more repellent than the late Jeffrey Epstein. His life left a line of human wreckage and misery. Those associated with Epstein have also faced public backlash and recriminations throughout the years.

Recently, however, the Epstein scandal took a new turn. Due to unprecedented access to once-sealed material, the public is now combing through emails, appointment books, and photos with a voracious interest in his private associations and contacts. Most of these people are not accused of any criminal conduct, mind you — just notorious association.

The result has been the humiliation and condemnation of various individuals revealed in the files.

The question is whether we should consider the implications of such transparency and how it can expose those who are not accused of any crime.

During our colonial period, public shaming was a common form of punishment. Back then, bilboes, brands, and branks were some of the devices used to punish the notorious amongst us.

Today, of course, a pillory is an old-fashioned device that pales in comparison to the Internet, where you can be chased across cyberspace and the information superhighway.

That has been the fate of notable figures whose names have popped up in the new disclosures, ranging from former Obama White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler to former Harvard President Larry Summers to Sweden’s Princess Sofia.

The irregular intervention of Congress negated core protections afforded to collateral figures scooped up in criminal investigations. That includes some material previously protected under Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

At the same time, members are releasing material subpoenaed from other sources in earlier congressional investigations. This includes a picture of Donald Trump, from before he became president, that was released by Democratic members this week. The picture with six women has the faces of the women dramatically blocked out as “potential” victims of Epstein.

The implication and the intent of the picture’s release are equally obvious: to suggest that Trump was cavorting with possible victims of human trafficking with Epstein. Another photo shows Trump sitting with a woman with her face blacked out. These pictures were released with other images of sex toys from the Epstein files, and a novelty box of Trump condoms that say “I’m huuuuge.”

Another previously public picture shows Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz simply talking to Epstein, who is wearing a Harvard sweater. Epstein was a donor to Harvard, and the photo could have been taken anywhere. However, it was released (again) alongside images of sex toys, Epstein in a bathtub, and a blacked-out picture of “possible victims.”

The releases have proven devastating for some. Summers left his teaching position at Harvard and a leading economics association after his communications to Epstein were made public. They included Summers allegedly seeking advice on how to seduce a young research associate as well as other communications that are sexist and offensive toward women.

Ruemmler has been publicly ridiculed for communications described as “chummy” with Epstein. Ruemmler, once considered for Attorney General, had downplayed her connection to Epstein. However, the communications show a more familiar association, including one stating, “I’ll be here all week — you may get sick of me.”

In another email, Ruemmler responds to a Daily Beast article about Epstein’s crimes by saying, “Good lord. A novella of rehashed crap.”

With Princess Sofia, the emails show that the former model and reality TV starlet met with Epstein. The Swedish government has tried to control the outcry, stressing that “these meetings took place in social settings, such as at a restaurant and a movie premiere.”

The problem is that context rarely matters in such stories. The Trump photo is a good example. The point is to make it look like the Democrats are protecting the identities of victims literally embraced by Trump from an Epstein harem of underage girls. The same tactic was used just a few weeks earlier when the Democrats released an email related to Trump with the name of a possible victim redacted. The White House objected that the name was that of Virginia Giuffre whose name was already public. Giuffre, who died by suicide recently, had previously said Trump was not involved in her abuse. The redactions were used strategically to suggest that this was another, previously undisclosed victim implicating Trump.

Under the common law, there is a tort called “false light” that includes pictures that may be true but are presented in a false light. This latest tranche is a blinding array of alleged false light imagery.

A torrent of material is now coming from the courts and Congress in the name of transparency. It is hard to argue against transparency. Indeed, some of us have argued for greater transparency on issues like the investigation into Epstein’s suicide. There are also established grounds for the release of sealed information. The question, rather, is the wholesale release of such information.

Yet it is unpopular to raise such concerns when the appetite of the public is so high. It is even more difficult when the underlying emails, from figures such as Summers, are so disgraceful and repulsive.

Historically, this material has been protected because investigations scoop up a wide swath of individuals and evidence that are later found immaterial or collateral to the underlying crimes. It is often the rawest of evidence without satisfying standards of evidence or relevancy in an actual trial.

The public appetite for such releases can become insatiable. How about the Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby cases? Now that Congress has enacted special legislation to force the release of the Epstein files, there will likely be a greater expectation that other controversies demand equal transparency.

When House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) called for greater review of the Epstein material and the need for redactions, Democrats accused him and others of covering up the Epstein files. It worked. Congress rushed to pass the legislation compelling the release of the material.

Despite their denials, everyone loves gotcha stories exposing celebrities. It does not matter that the conduct being exposed might be entirely legal and unrelated to any underlying crime. The result is guilt by association, without the context of what that association amounted to in a given case.

The question now is whether the new transparency could erode longstanding protections for grand jury and sealed material in these investigations. Those protections could prove to be the most lasting legacy of Jeffrey Epstein.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University and the author of the best-selling book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” He previously represented a grand jury in the Rocky Flat case over the exceptions to grand jury secrecy.

188 thoughts on “Epstein’s Last Casualty Could Be Grand Jury Secrecy”

  1. Whoa! Democrats trying to gaslight the American public? Again? Say it is not so!! Who would of thought they would attempt to mislead us? Just another day that ends in ‘y’ for Democrats. Fortunately for us, only dupes would just blindly accept the Democrat narrative. Those of us with reason, logic, common sense would ask the questions, like where were these pictures taken? What was the date? Who are the people in the pictures?

    1. The photos are of no evidentiary value unless they corroborate sworn testimony in front of the GJ, or in a sworn affidavit, or deposition. The affidavit-based accusations are what need to be released. These are the evidence Acosta and Dersh tried to bury. Acosta had a due diligence obligation to work on behalf of the victims, but chose to label their sworn testimony as “insufficient to sway a jury”.

      We supposedly have checks and balances, but what are the checks on biased non-prosecution by a federal DoJ officer? Many states have a means to invoke a State Prosecutor as a check on corrupt non-prosecution of crime at the county or local level.

      Congress needs to create a means for citizens to bring a suit for federal biased non-prosecution, resulting in appointment of a Citizens Prosecutor. That would place a necessary check on what Alex Acosta did (he failed to act as the victims’ lawyer on behalf of an offended public.

      1. The photos a worth a million words to the MAGA crowd. We all know Trump loves to brag about how women “let him grab them by the pu$$y” because he’s filthy rich and famous. Or when he openly admitted to just waltzing in on beauty contestants while they were changing. Having affairs while he was married etc. The pictures just confirm the sordid lifestyle that Trump lived and how close he was to Epstein who shared similar tastes and views about women. That is why he’s so afraid of how this scandal will continue to grow or remain in the spotlight. It makes him look really bad and that is not a good thing for a person like Trump whose ego is as fragile as a Faberge egg.

        1. We all know Trump loves to brag about how women “let him grab them by the pu$$y” because he’s filthy rich and famous.

          Getting off on Biden Balling The First Daughter In The White House Shower isn’t just a Biden family thing – it’s also sexual gratification for George X and the rest of his fellow commie Democrat perverts.

          We all know George X loves that – as well as Biden’s White House Kiddy Fondling sessions.

          George X thinks the sexual perversions he shares with The Oval Office House Plant make him look hot!

  2. “The question now is whether the new transparency could erode longstanding protections for grand jury and sealed material in these investigations. Those protections could prove to be the most lasting legacy of Jeffrey Epstein.”

    I don’t think so. Professor Turley may be overreacting a bit on this. The Epstein files, grand jury files are unique by the nature of the crime and scandal surrounding it. Epstein is dead. The victims agreed to allow the release of the files. MAGA has always been demanding the release of the files because they strongly only because Bill Clinton and other prominent Democrats faced the prospect of exposure. Turns out Trump also being a Democrat when he knew Epstein is also a very high risk of being exposed given his perverse attitudes about women and his bragging of his conquests and being proud of it. That is not a good look for Trump or anyone else who associated with Epstein. Especially well known billionaires.

    1. When X compares releasing information about Biden by Republicans to the release of The Epstein files he compares sordid fantasies to the truth that Biden was becoming mentally impaired. We all can remember when X continued to say that Biden was sharp as a tack.
      Even after the debate where Biden stood slack jawed when asked a question X continued to tell us that he was just fine. X said it all was just an unfair attack by the hated MAGA Republicans. No problem. X will just turn on a dime and give you nine cents change.
      Same bull different day.

      1. TiT,
        That is why I dont bother reading his crap. He has been caught in so many lies, it is just not worth reading. Just scroll past.

  3. What is this issue with the photos and the blocked faces being an issue? Professor Turley complains that this is some sort of deliberate smear by Democrats without any sense of irony.

    Republicans did this all the time and Professor Turley gladly piled on when similar releases of damaging information by Republicans during Biden’s term. Grassley is famous for releasing or leaking damaging or embarrassing information. I didn’t see Professor Turley criticizing it. He did the opposite. He chose to use it to enable the smears and innuendo to further the false narrative about corruption and bribery.

    There are going to be a lot of people swept up in this Epstein scandal when all the files are released. As someone here said, “If you lay with flea infested dogs, you will get fleas.”

    1. Deliberate smear? What was it then? Use your special mind reading powers please.
      Your last comment you wrote that he was hawking a defense. So what is it, smear or hawk?

    2. We already knew it wasn’t an issue for you, X. You have no scruples and no concrete examples to back up your accusations. Go ahead and defend this kind of misinformation about Trump. All you got is lies like this. Now go ahead and be proud of it. Frankly, it’s delicious for us here. It shows how little you are able to defend your TDS. The last stage of which is attempting to spead the virus to others. Like rabies victims. Sorry commie! It only can infect the weak-minded.

  4. Pull all information from the documents that redacted, remove the redactions of pictures and verbal testimony prevail. That is the only way truth prevails and lives. The facts will sort itself out once done.

  5. This is….wow. I’m not surprised Turley is suddenly hawking some sort of defense of those who associated with Epstein. This is the direct consequence of dealing with such individuals like Jeffrey Epstein. Trump is center stage because he was always hangin out with him, shared private planes, and share the same views about women. It’s not hard to put Trump deep onto Epstein’s sex trafficking empire.

    Trump is already known for bragging about being able to walk in on beauty contestants while they dressing, mentioning weird scenarios where he would date his own daughter, grabbing women by the Pu$$y because “they let him”. Let’s not forget his well known affinity for cheating on his wives and then there are the issue of liability for sexual abuse. How that is not a huge red flag when Trump is seen in pictures with Epstein and those women?

    Turley seems to forget that it was MAGA who has been demanding the release of the Epstein files more than anyone. Kash Patel and Dan. Bongino were adamant about their release just before they were appointed to their Trump administration positions and now they are suddenly pretty quiet about it. MAGA has been demanding the release of the files including Republicans like MTG. Pretty wild. Because if they are demanding the release, it must be THAT bad.

    Sure, Clinton and other prominent Democrats may be implicated. FYI, Trump was also a Democrat when he knew Epstein. Epstein’s nefarious influence reached far and wide and that is why the release of the files is so scary for those who had close associations with him and Trump is no victim in this. He may not have committed a crime while he was with Epstein, but the idea that he was deeply associated with him and the public perception is far worse.

          1. X is not pissed. He’s an incel and couldn’t get lucky with a woman, man, transwoman/man, animal, mineral or Grindr gay hookup, hence his trolling on here 24/7. He hates these types of comments which is why he always ignores them.

            bwahahahahahahaaha

        1. Another style copycat from georgie. I looked it up.
          Yesterday, georgie wrote a commenter about “whining and complaining.” Then someone answered georgie with “No whining and complaining. We are laughing at you.”
          .
          Not an original thought in that boy’s head.

    1. X, so it’s MAGA people who have been calling for the release of the Epstein files. The release of the files has been a Democratic talking point used to deflect from anything that might show them in a bad light. Oh, the guys in the boats are not fisherman well what about the Epstein file? They and you will twist anything to get Trump. You only now admit that there were Democrats that were involved with Epstein because you have to.
      You used the files as a cudgel believing that Trump wouldn’t release them asking if he has nothing to hide why won’t he release the files! You much prefer your groomers to be men dressed as women reading to the kiddies at the public library. TDS is real.

      1. Thinkithrough, Still no thinking things through? Wow. Maybe you should change your handle to something more appropriate.

        Yes. MAGA has been calling for the release of the Epstein files for a long time. During the Biden administration and then when Trump promised them to release them because that is what they wanted.

        I have never said Democrats could/would be implicated or could never be. I have no problem pointing out that Democrats are also at risk of being implicated and many of them including Trump who was a Democrat when he knew Epstein.

        MAGA wanted the files released because they “knew” Bill Clinton and other prominent Democrats would be implicated. But when Trump’s name came up and his deep association with Epstein suddenly Trump got cold feet and decided the release of the Epstein files as not that important. That made MAGA mad as hell and they cried foul, cover-up, or some new crop of conspiracy theories.

        Trump didn’t release them after he promised MAGA he would. He broke that promise and of course, MAGA got their “WTF?!” Moment. That was a one broken promise even MTG wouldn’t have let slide.

        Your insults just reinforce the fact that you don’t have an argument to stand on. Perhaps you should…think things through a bit more carefully.

    2. This is….wow. I’m not surprised Turley is suddenly hawking some sort of defense of those who associated with Epstein.

      Wow…. BBBBUUUTTTT…. MUH TURLEY!!!! MUH TRUMP!!!!! Nobody has ever seen George X playing that tune in any of his daily shyte posting!

  6. Remember Obama’s association with Bill Ayers, the co-founder of the Weather Underground, whose goal was to overthrow the US government? Did the Dems care about that? But they are outraged at his acquaintance with Epstein, haha.

    1. So what. Everyone in in IL was rubbing elbows. Overthrow? Wrong again. He was charged with conspiracy to destroy government buildings, stemming from his involvement with the Weather Underground in the 1970s,, but no charges or convictions.

      1. Your a clown that knows nothing about what the intent was of Weather Underground. Just spewing Hog wash!

  7. What is actually slanderous is the women pictured with DJT are actually adults (over 18) and models. The clear implication is to suggest or state as fact (by concealment of their faces) these were minors. The use of false information to slander anyone should be a Federal Wire Fraud felony.

  8. “…the sour faces of the multitude, like their sweet faces, have no deep cause, but are put on and off as the wind blows and a newspaper directs.”
    – Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self Reliance 1841

  9. This mania is a direct outgrowth of legal favortism toward elites. I’m talking about the Non Prosecution Agreement (NPA) hatched by Alan Dershowitz and Alexander Acosta in 2008. By that time, Acosta had sworn affidavits from several 20-something women who testified under oath in depositions about being sexually coerced by named individuals. Dershowitz was Epstein’s lawyer, and saw fit to write in a clause where the NPA also covered all co-conspirators in Epstein’s sex-trafficking operation. Acosta, representing the government was supposed to be representing these female victims, but he had no particular advocacy for them, and in fact violated federal law in hatching the BPA covertly with Dersh, rather than in cooperation with the victims as required by law.

    Acosta’s “reasoning” was that the women’s testimony might now stand up in court with a jury. That’s NOT his call, and this type of prosecutor who empathizes more strongly to the perpetrator and his lawyers and their interests than the victims is deeply corrupt. He should have resigned the case, and handed to a woman prosecutor.

    Who were they protecting? By this time, those who dug into the case to understand the facts know that approximately 20 men were involved in sexual activity arranged by Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Jean-Luc Brunel.
    Of these 20, the names of around half have leaked out, whether Prince Andrew, Ehud Barak, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, Bill Clinton, Dersh, Kevin Spacey, David Copperfield, Bill Gates.

    So by now, approximately 10 men accused in sworn testimony remain to be publicly outted. Justice will be served not by releasing photographs, but by releasing the sworn affidavits with the victims’ names redacted. I’m counting on the fact that young women don’t make false statements to the FBI under oath…why would they?

    Prof. Turley, the photos are not proper evidence of any crime, you’re right. What do you say about the sworn affidavits?

    1. Believe all women? Really?
      “young women don’t make false statements to the FBI under oath…why would they?” And why would they not lie? Lying is easy, comes naturally for all females.

      1. How stupid. Lying to the FBI is worth a 5-year sentence (except for Andrew McCabe). Your empathy-vacuum for the women (girls at the time) is showing loud and clear.

        We’re not talking about petty lies (which some women do frequently). We’re talking about swearing an oath under penalty of perjury, and having your interview recorded. Big difference. BTW, you know that Epstein was recruiting models and some underage girls from dysfunctional families. The ruse was offering to be paid for giving message, about $200/visit. Then, the bait and switch was give me (or my friend) sex or watch me masturbate.

        The adults preyed on the youth’s naivite. It’s against the law to do this. If it were your daughter, I bet you’d feel quite different.

      2. “young women don’t make false statements to the FBI under oath…why would they?”

        Because they watched Hillary Clinton’s young personal assistant Huma Abedin get away with doing that, and Clinton’s assistant and legal advisor Cheryl Mills also doing that and getting away with it? Just like senior citizen Hillary Clinton was the first of those women to make false statements to the FBI under oath.

        See a pattern there, young fella?

        But never mind that: are you old enough to remember what happened to the Duke men’s lacrosse team? That happened 20 years ago. The woman who lied that she was raped by those men was never charged with that – showing Clinton and her advisors that young women can lie to the FBI and not be charged.

        That woman, BTW, followed that up with the attempted murder of a later husband, and after that didn’t put her away, murdered her boyfriend and was last heard of finally serving a prison sentence for second degree murder.

        Any questions?

    2. “I’m counting on the fact that young women don’t make false statements . . .”

      Then you must be living under a rock.

      False rape claims are a well-known phenomenon. (See as just one example the Duke lacrosse hoax.) As is Munchausen syndrome by proxy. As are false claims of child abuse during a custody dispute.

  10. I’m afraid that your last statement may come about, since everything in legal procedure seems to proceed from precedence. I would prefer a system whereby precedence doesn’t exist as a reason to commit an action. But since Congress passed a law requiring the release of this grand jury evidence, it will be used as a future justification for the release of any such evidence by anyone involved in the proceedings.

    Personally, I had heard of people in power having connections to Jeffrey Epstein since the early 1990’s. I didn’t really care that much about who was mentioned, since it was a distraction to my life. I also didn’t believe in guilt by association, and still don’t.

    I would have preferred that Congress had used real restraint on this issue; it will only get worse in the future.

  11. Please allow me one OT comment.

    Has anyone heard if the new mayor of New York has issued a statement about the attack in Australia? Just wondering about his not wanting to say anything negative about “globalize the intifada”?

      1. How is Adams “new”? Why not answer my question about Mamdani instead of just being your usual brainless, ugly hack?

        1. Let’s see, can’t be the new mayor if not sworn in – right? So that makes Adams the mayor, he succeeded DeBlasio, that makes him the new and current mayor. You don’t get it, do you?

          What’s the question? You didn’t pose one, you screamed about intifada. Next time read your comment.

          1. Ano
            Let’s see, can’t be the new mayor if not sworn in
            ___________________________
            Well then, he’s been shooting his mouth off sine he was elected.

  12. The American political scene resembles more and more typical Hieronymus Bosch paintings, most of which are dense with religious symbolism, images of hell, and the overarching theme of mankind’s timeless moral struggle between imprudence, virtue, sin and vulnerability. Said Bosch, “The human soul is a garden, ever at war with its own weeds.” Epstein would be a weed, and association would convey the same.

    1. Resembles Bosch? No it does not. And no Bosch did not say or imply that.

      John Vianney — ‘Our soul is like a garden in which the weeds are ever ready to choke the good plants and flowers that have been sown in it. If the garden…

  13. I agree with you these hysteric obsessions are totally over the cliff! I also support a view that politicians and the public are incapable of separating perception from legal liability! I don’t blame the ignorant public, but I do blame politicians too many being actual lawyers. The so called “legal” community is justifiably suffering significant reputational diminishment because of their affinity to make up laws on what they want rather than actual laws. Fortunately, SCOTUS in it’s entirely has remained steadfast to laws despite the resistance of the “want the law to be” 3, and especially the rarely objective “I can’t define a woman” Jackson!!!!

  14. “Most of these people are not accused of any criminal conduct, mind you — just notorious association.”

    Turley’s concern seems greastest for those who laid down with dogs and he believes got no fleas. How many people does it take to violate up to a thousand young girls? How many have even investigated? There are more people the government refused to identify or prosecute as part of Epstein’s sweetheart deal in Florida than ever went to jail (Epstein and Maxwell). The concern for Epstein’s victims now is late, slow, and in some cases political. The effort to protect the perpetrators is strong including from Turley who floats in those circles.

    1. Tell us your opinion on Stacey Plaskett, the “voting member of Congress” who was getting texted instructions from Epstein live during a congressional hearing? Please tell us if she was lying down with dogs.

    2. How many people (parents, religious, and educators) had taught those poor victim girls that what they were doing was wrong–and why?
      When I was @10 or 11, a flashy “‘uncle” of one of my friends followed me almost to my home and promised to buy me all sorts of stuff if I went with him to the store to pick them out. I knew better.

      1. Lin, so you’re blaming the victims because they weren’t taught properly? Wow.

        Aren’t the religious also implicated in their own sex abuse scandals? Catholic Church with the pedophile priests. Evangelical Churches with sexual abuse case being swept under the rug?

        This is about powerful men taking advantage of the knowledge that their behavior is acceptable because they enough money to defend themselves when they get caught and that includes sex trafficking of minors and sexual abuse of women because “they let them”.

        Did you report your flashy uncle? Or just let it slide? Because if he was what you imply he was why didn’t you report it? They didn’t teach you that? Because if he tried to do that to you then he could have easily done it to someone else.

        1. Good lord, George: Five minutes after I post, here you come. Sam was right when he noted the little ankle-biters lurking offstage to watch when I post something. It’s quite a compliment. Thank you.

          P.S. yes I did report it to my parents, who did contact authorities. I forgot all about it until a few years ago, when I learned through a class reunion (I had moved OOS) that my young friend had died in a car accident; I don’t even know the surname of the “uncle.”

          George, you said, “Did you report your flashy uncle?” You were so eager to criticize me that you did not READ very carefully, did you? Take a look at whose “uncle” it was.
          Thanks anyway, George.

          1. Eager, I just asked if you reported it since it seemed you left it out and it implied you let it slide.

            But you still tried to lay blame onto the victims for not being taught well enough to recognize creeps like Epstein? Really? That was bad. Tone deaf seems to have been the unintended effect of your post, but…geez Lin.

            Would you make the same argument regarding Weinstein? Those girls were at fault because they were not taught properly how to behave or recognize signs of being groomed or sexual harassment by powerful people? I think you are better than that Lin. I sure hope so.

            1. Ha Ha, X the self-perpetuating prophet, suffers from behavioral confirmation effect! Poster Lin takes him down on his own “reading comprehension” and he tries to bite her ankles on the way down. Good one, X

            2. X says: Eager, I just asked if you reported it since it seemed you left it out and it implied you let it slide.

              George X: this blog’s virtual reality whore with syphilis: the gift that just keeps on giving.

  15. “The public appetite for such releases can become insatiable.” (JT)

    That portion of the public desires lewd distraction from a boring life. To sate that base desire, it callously dismisses the innocent with: “Sucks to be you.”

    1. Sam: Agree. Such endless time to waste….
      Same thing for the “insatiable” morbid fascination with terrible car accidents and murder scenes.
      (My parents never had to worry about me. I tended to get light-headed and faint.)

    2. You know it was MAGA die-hard who wanted these files released. It goes as far back as the Biden administration.

      The “innocent” seem to be those who were not caught doing business with Epstein for his “exclusive” benefits.

      Didn’t Kash Patel, the current FBI director and his assistant Dan Bongino really wanted to get to the bottom of this by promising to look into it and pry it from the “deep state” bureaucrats. But when the time came. Suddenly they started making lame excuses and reasons including stating that they “saw” the files and that there’s nothing there. Even MAGA wasn’t buying it.

  16. Seems like a waste of space and time when there are far more serious problems for the country to deal with. For those interested the notorious picture with the square black boxes over women’s faces was already published with all 5-6 women identified and all adults with no claims against the President. And I did not even have to look it up.
    I have no interest in this case because Jeffrey Epstein is still dead. (Just to paraphrase an old joke about Francisco Franco still being dead) and talking about Mr Epstein is not going to make him any deader. Time to move on to exploding drug boats and anti-Semitic murders breaking out around the world.

    1. And you ignore the fact that Trump was deeply involved with Epstein et al? Sure, nothing to see here folks. Move on … stick you head in the sand and wait for the next mass rape of children by conservatives and their enablers.

    2. GEB,
      I agree. Until there really is something to report on, then I might care. Not going to jump on the latest so-call bombshell that is nothing other than Democrat’s attempt to gaslight us, again.

      This is much more interesting, New memos show how corruption probe into Clinton Foundation was killed: ‘We were told NO by FBI HQ’
      “A newly-declassified timeline exposes how the FBI’s investigation of the Clinton Foundation was hamstrung by DOJ leaders while the inquiry into Trump-Russia collusion hoax marched forward. This isn’t the first tranche of evidence pointing to political interference.”
      https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/we-were-told-no-fbi-hq-how-investigation-clinton-foundation-was-allowed?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home

  17. not a big fan of secrecy to PROTECT powerful people….when the little people get destroyed. Example Jan 6th….where a WHOLE group of people were JAILED for Political reasons!

  18. How about the Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby cases? Yeah, what about them. Republicans through and through.

    1. What have conservatives wrought on this country. I pray for us all.

      You commie Democrat atheists weren’t pretending to be praying Christians when (long before Trump entered politics) first Clinton and then Obama had Harvey Weinstein in the White House for EIGHT YEARS each.

      Despite their Secret Secret close protection details warning them their bestie Harv was a serial pedophile and rapist.

      Back to the other devil worshipping commies living down in the Democrat Borg you go.

    1. Truly sickening, all those poor girls. My heart goes out to them. Hopefully now they can put Trump away.

    2. Everyone of the black out faces was of a legal of age older woman. Democrats just trying anything they can to smear Trump and only idiots like you think it is true. Real names are Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama, Obama aides Kathryn Ruemmler and Larry Summers along with liberal former Democrat constitutional lawyer Alan Dershowitz. I am noticing a pattern here and it is they are all Democrats.

        1. Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender’s jet much more than previously known
          “Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” — even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.”
          https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

        1. Trump didn’t sit on the side of pool and let black children rub the hair on his legs. He didn’t sniff the hair of any woman he got close to. He didn’t lie about being accepted to the Naval Academy. He didn’t say “If you get the vaccine you will not get Covid”. And the list goes on ad infinitum. . . .

    3. Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender’s jet much more than previously known
      “Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” — even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.”
      https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known

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