Years ago, I called the pandemic arguably the greatest case of negligence in the history of torts. However, with millions dead and hundreds of billions expended, it was unlikely that China would ever be truly held accountable for its actions. Those failures include not only the alleged release of the virus from the Wuhan lab but also China’s concealment of the release until it had spread globally. A $24 billion judgment was secured in Missouri earlier this year, but China defied the verdict.
Now, it has countersued, naming former Missouri Attorney General and now Sen. Eric Schmitt, R-Mo., among others as defendants. Even by the standards of the Chinese legal system, this action is legally absurd. However, in the CCP-controlled court system, the verdict is little in doubt.
China posted a notice of the lawsuit in Wuhan, naming the state of Missouri and Andrew T. Bailey, in addition to Schmitt. Bailey is listed in the notice as the current Missouri Attorney General, but he recently left that job to become the FBI’s co-deputy director.
After international service under the International Convention on the Service Abroad of Judicial and Extrajudicial Documents in Civil or Commercial Matters, the defendants are called to appear before the Intermediate People’s Court of Wuhan Municipality of Hubei Province, Jianghan District in Wuhan. They are being sued for $356.4 billion Chinese Yuan, or $50.5 billion — just over twice the amount awarded in Missouri.
The complaint demands “public apologies on New York Times, CNN, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, YouTube and other American media or internet platforms, and People’s Daily, Xinhuanet and other Chinese media or internet platforms…”
The filing is premised on their bringing a successful action against China in United States courts and effectively defaming Wuhan, Chinese officials, and the government generally. I have taught torts for over 30 years and would be hard pressed to come up with a more meritless claim, but law means little in the Chinese court system.
The Missouri action named the Chinese government, various ministries, the Communist Party of China, the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Chinese Academy of Sciences as defendants. They were found to have withheld information about the COVID-19 virus, failed to contain the outbreak, and actively hoarded high-quality personal protective equipment (PPE) while producing and selling lower-quality PPE to the rest of the world.
After securing the largest damage award in that state’s history, the current Attorney General filed with the U.S. State Department for diplomatic provided service to China in November 2025. Once service is confirmed, Missouri can return to the district court to obtain certification of compliance with service and seek to seize Chinese-owned assets, including real property, financial interests, and other holdings tied to the defendants.
That is what clearly prompted this tit-for-tat litigation in Wuhan.
The Chinese lawsuit names the defendants as an economic and reputational threat to the People’s Republic of China. It argues that their actions have had “negative effects on the soft power” of Wuhan and have “belittled the social evaluation” as well as adversely affected the “productivity and commercialization of scientific and technological achievements” of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
It cites the defendants as having engaged in “vexatious litigation” that “defamed Plaintiffs’ reputation, resulting in huge economic losses of the Plaintiffs, and deeply endangering sovereignty, security and development interests of China.”
Obviously, this is not vexatious litigation in any actual legal sense. The Missouri litigation was based on long-established legal precedent, even if the judgment itself against a foreign nation was unprecedented in size.
The notion that these allegations constitute defamation is absurd. First, these allegations are well-established by various countries. China enlisted the World Health Organization (WHO) and others to echo its denials about the virus’s origin. Even after the Biden Administration sought to suppress evidence and views implicating China, federal agencies and experts ultimately refuted those denials.
Even under the more demanding standard that applies to public officials and public figures (known as the “actual malice” standard), China would fall short. There is ample and credible evidence to support these statements, including findings from other countries.
There is also a type of group libel element to the Chinese action.
Such lawsuits are very difficult to maintain. In Neiman-Marcus v. Lait (1952), a New York federal district court addressed a defamation claim arising from the publication of the book “U.S.A. Confidential.” The author wrote that “some” models and “all” saleswomen at the Neiman-Marcus department store in Dallas were “call girls.” It also claimed that “most” of the salesmen in the men’s store were “faggots.” The store had nine models, 382 saleswomen and 25 salesmen. The court found the size of the group of women was too big to satisfy a group libel standard. However, the size of the group of salesmen was viewed as sufficiently small to go to trial.
Here, China is suggesting that not only was the entire Wuhan staff but the entire nation was effectively defamed. That absurd claim was actually tried by a Chinese American group in the United States over Trump’s reference to COVID-19 as Kung Flu. The Chinese American Civil Rights Coalition brought that meritless case, which was quickly dismissed.
China is clearly hoping to engineer a verdict and then somehow use it to counterbalance or negate the Missouri judgment. It will still be tough for Missouri to ever collect on this judgment. However, the verdict was an important effort to secure a judgment on China’s conduct leading to a worldwide pandemic.
One has to assume that the Wuhan court will dutifully render a verdict to counter Missouri. It will do little beyond confirming in the mind of many that China is as nimble at manipulating the legal system as it is at allegedly manipulating spike proteins.
Sen Schmitt and the others will have no hope of getting a fair trial in China. They’ll find out how Trump felt in New York City.
Why in the world would we grant standing to a foreign nation to due in US courts? Just tell the damned Incheks to bugger iff.
For counter-suit, Missouri should subpoena the lab notebooks that disappeared from WIV. Tampering with evidence spells doom for the CCP’s counter-suit.
Thank you orange god.
The drug companies will now pay me thousands of dollers per month to take their drugs thanks to the 600% reduction DJT got for me.
Thank you DJT, you are a god, and orange god. Does it get better than that?
That’s more math savvy than we’re used to seeing. A Rx costs $400. 600% of that is $2400. So the price reduction comes out to -$2400, and the pharma pays you $2000. This is populist-trash-talk at its finest!
NO, DJT says prices are coming down 600%. I get PAID for the drugs I used to buy. LiFe doesn’t get better than THis.
DJT wouldn’t lie to me would he?
Anon
Do you suppose Trump is saying your prescriptions are marked up 600%, $2400 and they’re coming down to $400? I have a friend that takes a cancer pill every few months and he said it cost $20k or more. He has to shop pharmaceutical company grants to help pay for it. That makes more sense of your spin. I don’t think there’s a pill for your TDS yet but someone could sure make a few million.
To get to some initial price, multiply the percent increase by the percent decrease to get 1. An increase to 200% is balanced by a decrease to 50%: 2*.5 = 1.
Well you’re either taking too much or too few, call your doctor.
At What point will American business and individuals realize that it is not in their best interest to continue working in China? Yes there is the vast amount of profit to be made but at what cost? For years the Chinese have been copying the manufacturing aspects of our products to provide a cheaper version and eventually under cut the primary product developer. Will things cost more? Of course they will. Do you need the newest and latest item every 6 months or so? Probably not but that is what you have been trained to do. The only long term solution to China, in my opinion, is economic. Tit for Tat is children’s games that go nowhere.
@longgreyhair
Likely not until they lose their love of money. I don’t see that happening anytime soon, do you?
Long grey hair,
“ Yes there is the vast amount of profit to be made but at what cost?”
That’s all that matters. Profit. At nearly any cost and that includes outsourcing US manufacturing jobs. Our companies got greedy.
X says: Our companies got greedy.
Not nearly as greedy as the commie Democrats Marxist bagmen and voters in the communist unions who those companies had to pay. As a self-professed financial expert, X has known ever since he performed as George what percentage of a company’s production costs are employees versus source materials and equipment.
The tell that communists like X and those tens of thousands of Democrat activists don’t have the slightest opposition to investing their “social justice” pension funds into shares of those greedy companies so they can satisfy THEIR greed by taking a cut of the profits earned by those greedy companies.
You will not find anyone more greedy in America than X and his party of greedy communist Democrats – they take their greed so far they demand government give them a cut of what they demand be taxed from other people, to be given them in exchange for doing absolutely nothing to earn that money.
By definition a Marxist cannot be greedy. That’s the opposite of Marxism.
X, what you call greed is the opposite of greed. Where did you go to school?
So, according to you it’s not greedy to take the fruits of another’s labor but it is greedy to want to keep what you worked to earn.
When I say “you worked to earn”, i don’t mean you, you offer nothing.
You act in your own self-interest everyday and don’t even think about it. You dirty capitalist pig.
self-interest BUILT this great country.
If marxism is what you desire why don’t you guys “collect” together and run a little commie society somewhere and totally avoid being a nasty capitalist pig, cause it’s evil yaknow. No one will stop you.
You are correct. I take solace in the fact that China is no threat to us.
the population of china has peaked in 2002 and they are already on average older than americans and their productivity per capita is quite low compared to ours. Our population peak is year 2100. If they can’t defeat us today, they certainly won’t be able to tomorrow.
The murders of their cultural revolution and their one-child policy has doomed them. Dangers of central planning.
Their productivity is low because they haven’t distributed manufacturing enhancements as much as the US. This means their productivity can easily be increased if required and, in fact, they are doing just that. Moving over 1 Billion people from a primarily rural agricultural basis to an urban technological one takes time and they continue to move towards US levels of productivity with nearly four times the population.
The problem is that any one business relies on dozens to hundreds of other businesses. Even a simple product requires packaging and if that product is made in the USA but they cannot find a packaging supplier in the USA it doesn’t get shipped or sold.
So Trump’s big primetime “address to the nation” is just him struggling to read a psychotic script full of lies written by Stephen Miller about how great he is.
Trumpstein’s speech kinda had me missing the good old days when he talked about Al Capone, Hannibal Lecter, electric boats, getting eaten by sharks, windmills causing cancer, and mentally ill whales.
Don’t forget Arnold Palmer’s junk
At least the hard liquor and edibles industries have to be booming at the end of Trump’s first year.
And don’t hate on me for myself having multiple conversations back and forth with myself. I have a multiple personality disorder to go along with my Furry Tranny disorder… multiple mental illnesses is one of the dangers we willngly risk in beying members of Biden’s Bolshevik Birthing Boyz.
X at least will understand our pain.
Sure seems like you can’t…
Do you find yourself making love to men in your mind everyday? It seems a common ailment among Soy Boy leftists.
Pretty much. It was pointless. Even Matt Walsh thought it was the most useless speech of all time by a president.
Oh yeah, hey remember Biden’s last speech? Don’t worry, neither does he…
“It could have been an e-mail” is a fitting description. More likely for Trump, it could have been a rambling Truth Social post.
but law means little in the Chinese court system.
True Professor Turley. No different than the equally police state fascist court rooms controlled by your fellow Democrat lawyers here in America. But America isn’t supposed to be like Communist China.
Jonathan, do you think the ChiComs got the idea from your fellow Democrat politicians, judges and lawyers in New York so carefully creating the equally political E Jean Carroll lawsuit?
But America isn’t supposed to be like Communist China. Really?
Look at the daily news, where is it not obvious that obedience to the state is liberty?
“Look at the daily news, where is it not obvious that obedience to the state is liberty?”
If you didn’t confine your “news” to just the Democrat-Marxist Mainstream Media Propaganda Complex, Tovarisch, you might have a better chance at doing better.
gobbledygook…
Anyone with an IQ>Shoe Size
“but law means little in the Chinese court system.” – JT
So They come over here from all over the World to place their Case (Bets) on our judicial system to win big settlements.
I don’t know if “its like”: Big Truck Accident Lawyers advertising for Chinese Clients to try their luck in the American Judaical Casino?
Sure seems like it.
The China and US legal systems have never been more aligned. The rule of law is less important than legislating from the bench. Every judge seems to think they are King.
It’s obvious that the CCP is laying the legal groundwork to seize American Assets if the USA tries to seize their assets in regards to the Missouri lawsuit findings. Once they secure their victory in their courts it will be basically a stand off of who seizes assets first.
We will argue we were harmed but if we seize assets the Chinese will seize assets of American companies or even individuals and you once again have a standoff.
Really depends on how far you want to take this.
Also we have started seizing tankers at sea and that interrupts the flow of oil to China. China will try to respond. They are hemmed in by their geography except through SE Asia and their ports on their east coast. They are all to aware of the fact that they are hemmed by choke points to all their exports and very vulnerable.
What the Chinese are doing has some risks but they suspect that if they seize American assets and American companies pull out, the Europeans will flock in to fill the void. Lot of ramifications here other than just legal questions.
Too bad your diatribe is nonfactual. Conspiracy theory abounds on this website.
“Too bad your diatribe is nonfactual.”
There’s a difference between you posting an emotional pronouncement and putting together a rational rebuttal.
But carry on – X feels gratified in knowing he isn’t alone.
For sure!
Look who’s calling the kettle black.
Speaking of pointless arguments. What was the point of Trump’s speech last night? What did he say? Bonus checks for the military paid for by tariffs? I hope they cash those quick when they come because the tariffs maybe illegal and the Trump administration may have to refund a lot of that.
Trumps speech? Helloooo.. . Wrong blog again.
Like a true Democrat Trump (and in our case Turley) will have X, George Costanza, aka Mr Opposite, defending the Communist Chinese and their causing the pandemic.
Hullbobby, what would be the point of arguing it was China’s fault? Everyone knows that. We can’t do anything about it and we are certainly not getting any recompense from them.
Gotta hand it to the Chinese, even if their government is communist they have successfully implemented capitalism into their system to great effect. What is not to be impressed by that?
They are progressing by leaps and bounds over our own. Do they have issues? Well duh. So do we. For a country with over a billion people they sure have managed to create a massive middle class that is fueling their economy and improved their standard of living. We have been going in the opposite direction it seems. It almost seems like some of our conservative critics of China are jealous of their progress and economic resilience. Trump is obsessed with arches and ballrooms.
government is communist they have successfully implemented capitalism… Really. Mutually exclusive systems. Thus the rest of your conspiracy theory is confirmed.
Hullbobby, what would be the point of arguing it was China’s fault?
How cute! Employing Hillary Clinton’s dismissive and infamous “What difference does it make?” when she was asked why she, Obama and Biden abandoned Americans to be murdered by Al Queda terrorists in Benghazi.
Predictably, when George X isn’t defending his fellow communists who are Democrate criminals in Congress and the DOJ, he’s defending his fellow communists in Communist China, the criminals who knowingly allowed Wuhan Flu to kill tens of millions of people around the world.
George X, you’re eager and willing to serve as as any communist fascists lapdog political apparatchik.
“Hillary Clinton said “What difference at this point does it make?” during a Senate committee hearing on January 23, 2013, in an exasperated response to repeated questioning about the initial cause of the Benghazi attacks”
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/11/pac-attack-on-clintons-benghazi-record/
It is telling that Republicans thought the best response to the deaths of Americans was to badger Hillary Clinton rather than work up a spending bill to increase security at all the diplomatic facilities world wide.
X says: Gotta hand it to the Communist Chinese, even if their government is communist they have successfully implemented capitalism into their system to great effect.
This is X’s (and the Communist Chinese) view of what capitalism looks like:
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Which is why when X is posting as his alter ego Anonymous Confederate Kluxxer, he bemoans being deprived of having black Americans as his Darky slaves.
The uncanny similarity of thought and morals shared by the Chinese Communist Party and communist X and his new communist Democrat party is hard to ignore.
There are about 12 Million Uyghurs. There are 1.4 Billion Chinese. It is unlikely the Uyghurs are any notable contributor to the Chinese bottom line.
Speaking of pointless arguments, there’s the one that claims X is actually a normal human who posts here in good faith.
Nothing but a sack of lies with all the point of a beach ball.
“What did he say?”
Since when did the Left become concerned about a politician being substantive and coherent?
“What was the point of Trump’s speech last night?”
Oh, look at you go girl! And you, X, didn’t even notice that unlike The Oval Office House Plant’s rare speeches, even you with your abject lack of comprehension abilities could understand Trump.
Well enough to respond with your trademark BBBBUUUTTTT…. MUH TRUMP!!!!! I WANT MY BRIBERY BIDEN BACK!!!!
“It will still be tough for Missouri to ever collect on this judgment.” SEIZE PRC assets in the USA, just like against Russia internationally.
Sounds like time for the Federal Government to seize and liquidate all CCP owned property within US borders and territories. All proceeds to be distributed to those families that lost loved ones to Covid 19, any residuals to be allocated to pay down National debt.
As I see it, Trump stated all the international suing fad… BBC? Locally CBS, WSJ, Des Moines Register, ABC, NYT, on and on. So if PRC sues the USA, its somehow wrong, immoral?
So why can’t the PRC sue for defamation? Think of the discovery process and what treasures will come out of that.
If you read, or understood, the point Turley was making you would notice that the BBC defamed one person, Trump, while Turley explains that an entire nation is tantamount to a group that can’t sue for defamation. But of course you don’t want to see the point, you want to defend the CCP because you hate Trump more than the communist Chinese.
If you had a iota of brain, anon simply stated, If Trump, a head of state can sue anyone, why can’t the PRC.
Your daily idiocy is very entertaining. Brings a smile to everyone’s face. Thanks!
Your daily idiocy is very entertaining. Brings a smile to everyone’s face. Thanks!
Successful attempts at projection to find a sense of self worth are never going to happen.
You’re welcome for the teachable moment you asked for.
As I see it, Trump stated all the international suing fad…
I see your complete lack of awareness of Biden’s friends in Mexico suing Americans while he was president as one or both of two things.
1.Indicative of the low grade intellectual ability of the ChiComs fellow communists in America who are Biden voters.
2. BBBUUTTT… MUH TRUMP!!!
Nothing will come of this. It’s all just bluster and chest thumping by both nations.
How do you collect from an American in a Chinese court? Nothing but a big propaganda show for the home folks. China doesn’t want them to know the truth, or how many of their loved ones they killed for an attempt at world domination.
Conspiracy theories is the order of the day. You go MAGAotts!
How do you collect from an American in a Chinese court? As Turley said, its not about money, its a long game for the PRC. They’ll score points for sure, the UN will see to that. But think of the points the Team USA will score.
Surely you don’t believe there was actually a pandemic and not a faked plandemic?
This might one day soon be considered a rare emotional misstep by China’s CCP, as it will bring yet another reminder that COVID-19 was the fault of the Wuhan lab, and the subsequent spread of the disease worldwide was the strategy of the CCP. Together, they caused the greatest intentional loss of life in human history. Thus, it will reinforce the common notion that China can never be trusted.
spread of the disease worldwide was the strategy of the CCP. Ummmm…………. you got proof of that or did forget get to take your psychedelics?
Ask Italy what their position on this matter is. I bet you believe it still came from a bat in the wet market, polished bonding sites and all.
Me ask? Do it yourself, you raised the question.
You’re the one throwing Chit at the wall. I already know what the answer is.
Then why didn’t you explain it? Answer, you just throw chit (small c) on the wall.
Ummmm…………. you got proof of that or did forget get to take your psychedelics?
That you attempting to defend your ChiCom customers, First Felon Crackhead Son?
And speaking of spaced out and the ChiComs: how’s business at Biden White House Crime LLC, now that your senior partner, The Oval Office House Plant was forcibly retired by the Democrat Party shareholders?
Conspiracy theories is the order of the day. You go MAGAotts!
Red meat morning… hear ye, hear ye, all MAGAotts are invited to attend the mass delusion party at Turley’s blog.
And don’t you MAGAotts think for one moment that you’re invited to attend our Biden Tranny Furry Chirstmas reality party. You stick with Turley’s red meat while we dine on cat food and psychedelics donated by our guest of honor, Hunter Biden. Nobody undertands us better than him.
China is a nation ruled by a truly evil government, which is de facto if not de jure the enemy of all nations who maintain even a vestige of ethos and individual rights. They routinely flood our markets with literal poison (remember the toxic toys, the lethal illicit vaporizer products), and, virtually in the open announce their intent on dominating the globe, forcing their own forms of slavery onto the world as they have with the Uyghurs. Not to mention Tibet.
They will sue us there with lies and the castrated judiciary will obey with the desired judgement, even their own laws notwithstanding, as Professor Turley notes. And the world at large will not oppose them, and certainly the United Nations won’t, so we must, alone if necessary.
China is a nation ruled by a truly evil government, … Really, now how do you know that to be a fact? Maybe because you hate humans who do not look like you. RACIST!
They routinely flood our markets with literal poison (remember the toxic toys, the lethal illicit vaporizer products), …. REALLY? Imagine American corporations (WALMART for ex.) importing those things. Did WM ever test them. ANSWER: NO. So yeah, blame the Chinese, but not Walmart and other major AMERICAM corporations IMPORTERS for bringing “toxic toys” into the USA.
Last point, how stoopid can an Americans be to buy such junk? We all know made in China is total junk, yet you people fall over yourselves to get a cheap deal.
Huh, well. They used to do that. Now? Not so. China has gotten a lot better and more efficient at manufacturing, well everything. That is why they are capable of manufacturing things not only fast but also high quality. We are just a cottage industry compared to them.
Let’s not forget that WE wanted cheap products and our companies obliged with sending manufacturing to China meaning higher profits and fast production. We built the China that exist today because WE like cheap and affordable products.
If they were to be allowed to sell cars here American car companies would be decimated within a year. China is fast becoming like the Japan of the 80’s when they were building good quality products and reliable cars compared to ours. Crazy huh?
They used to do that. Now? Not so. That sums it all up.
And how do you specifically know all that to be a fact. Show us the facts, soucres, name names etc.
More X BS.
Anonymous, nearly everything you buy is manufactured in China. When as the last time you heard of a recall for poisoned toys, lead in jewelry, etc? This year we still imported more stuff than we exported.
X says: Anonymous, nearly everything you buy is manufactured in China.
X, the Karen of many usernames and a thousand communist Democrat complaints, has never lived as an American man.
My house was not built with structural lumber, siding, roofing, drywall, carpeting, and wiring made in China – it was manufactured here from raw materials also from here.
My cast iron and carbon steel cookware is made by various American companies, with a few pieces made in Europe. The kitchen range, refrigerator and chest deep freeze that are still functioning perfectly 20 years after I bought them? All built in the USA, with the exception of the freezer built in Canada.
My Dodge 2500 Cummins Diesel was not made in China. My shoes and boots are mostly made by Kinnetreck and Danner.
My flyrods, reels, lines, etc are all made in the USA, with some bits and pieces coming from Canada. All of my rifles, shotguns, handguns – and especially AR-15 Evil Baby Killer Assault Weapons are made in America.
And I didn’t make any of those purchases to put on a display I don’t buy CCP communist crap from the Chicoms just as I don’t buy Democrat communist crap from X – I chose to purchase those products because of the value and longevity they provided versus the ChiCom alternatives.
Is my world completely free of communist filth from either the Chinese Communist Party or communist X and his new Soviet Democrat Party?
No, of course not, some of the shyte you encounter in life is unavoidable.
Now we have X defending the world’s greatest threat. The self-loathing we see from young people that have been lucky enough to live in the greatest period of freedom and life in general for the most people in history.
You are a particularly stupid commenter. If you’re arguing a point, one uses undisputed facts. That’s what arguments are about. In your case you insert politics when that is not the issue. You insult, taunt and threaten. Therefore you are a particularly stupid commenter.
Hullbobby, greatest threat? Hardly. They are only a “threat” because they are the only nation that can compete with us economically and militarily. China stands to gain a lot more influence than us the future if Trump screws up and that is more likely than not.
One cannot help but be impressed with how fast China has progressed and in many respects surpassed us in terms of infrastructure, manufacturing, and innovation. They plan things in 50 year terms. We plan things based on quarterly earnings potential and 5 year plans that end up either over budget or get axed by the next administration to cut costs. We are still struggling to implement high speed rail. China already has 12,000 miles of high speed rail built in about 20 years. We can barely maintain our crumbling infrastructure. That should be embarrassing for us.
X/George compares our “crumbling infrastructure” to China’s “12,000 miles of high speed rail built in about 20 years.” What George left out is that our “crumbling infrastructure” is between 50 and 100 years old (depending on what infrastructure George is referring to) . Conversely, as George admits, primitive China’s HSP has “12,000 miles of high speed rail built in about 20 years.”
2025 minus 20 years equals circa @2005?
hmmm.
The point is they are progressing much faster than us and we are still dealing with 50-100 year old infrastructure which is not going to help if we are going to be bringing back manufacturing and grow supply chains, especially when we keep spending nearly a trillion dollars on defense spending. You want to bring or attract manufacturing investment here? Start by drastically improving infrastructure, rail, shipping, and supply chains. We are not doing that because…it costs too much.
you are comparing a late bloomer primitive country–developed on the foundation of two things: cheap labor and theft of others’ technology.
Remember the old saying X, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you.” China has not learned that yet, hopefully it will. With your much desired and marketable reading comprehension and context skills, maybe you could extend your visit there and help China?
A late bloomer that is outperforming in manufacturing and improving and growing their middle class. China is no longer “primitive”. They are on par with us economically and that is why they are considered a “threat”. Because they have the ability to surpass us economically and militarily. Their greatest flex is not military, it’s their manufacturing capacity and that is what counts.
X says: “So you’re admitting they are smarter than us. Because they can spy on us and steal technology and information and improve it to use as their own”
So you’re admitting they are not as smart as us because they cannot just easily create new better technology like we can?
They have to get tech from us?
If they steal our tech, we make more. that’s why we are typing at each other right now. WE did that. China didn’t even embrace it all that fast. WE just keep on inovating, driven by self-interested individuals, not central planning bureaucrats.
Copycats never prosper.
The point is they are progressing much faster than us and we are still dealing with 50-100 year old infrastructure
You don’t have a point X, with all the incisiveness of a beach ball that you possess. Instead, just the daily usual lies, deflections and evasions in defense of yet more totalitarian communist fascists. This time not your Democrat politicians, judges, and DoJ Lavarentiy Beria clones, but the murderous Chinese Communist Party instead.
There is little “development” in Communist China – what they do is steal technology from other nations through criminal espionage and then copy that. Which is why their latest generation warplanes, ships, etc can easily be mistaken for being one of ours.
They keep their costs down not only through using theft rather than spending on development, but other strategies you must recognize as a Democrat Confederate Kluxxer – slave labor in Ugher extermination camps and political gulags.
So what will today’s excuse be, X? Your well known grade school level poorly developed reading comprehension has failed you yet again, and you recognized none of this going on around you while fawning like a groupie over the ChiComs?
Or will it be an inevitable result of lacking a developed prefrontal cortex, leaving you with nothing in the way of critical thinking abilities, operating only on hate, envy, and greed?
So you’re admitting they are smarter than us. Because they can spy on us and steal technology and information and improve it to use as their own. Why bother with starting from scratch when they can just steal the info and get ahead. Sounds very American if you ask me.
X says: So you’re admitting they are smarter than us.
No I didn’t say that, and I didn’t ask for a commie with no credibility to post alternate reality answers from me. What we actually have here is you saying that you’re just as stupid as the Communist Chinese Party that with all those billions of people are too stupid to create their own technology and innovation that they have to resort to crime and slave labor to have any manufacturing capability..
And for your part, you’re equally as stupid as your ChiCom mentors that leaves you with that as your best rebuttal to what I posted in response to your claims of ChiCom manufacturing and intellectual property genius.
China’s Political System Discourages Innovation and Encourages Intellectual Property Theft
https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how-chinas-political-system-discourages-innovation-and-encourages-ip-theft/
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
The uncanny similarity of thought and morals shared by the Chinese Communist Party and communist X and his new communist Democrat party is hard to ignore.
X: are you now or have you ever been a card carrying member of the Chinese Communist Party?
Doesn’t matter, in about 50 years there will be no one to maintain china’s infrastructure. everyone will be too old.
China is in an economic endless pit
China has many people and little oil that electric everything makes sense for them. Every chinaman could not drive a gas car like we do here, so they burn coal for electricity. High speed rail doesn’t make sense here. look at failing Amtrak
X says: One cannot help but be impressed with how fast China has progressed and in many respects surpassed us in terms of infrastructure, manufacturing, and innovation.
Well I for one cannot be impressed by X’s (and the Communist Chinese) view of what capitalism, innovation and manufacturing looks like:
China’s Political System Discourages Innovation and Encourages Intellectual Property Theft
https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how-chinas-political-system-discourages-innovation-and-encourages-ip-theft/
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Which is why when X is posting as his alter ego Anonymous Confederate Kluxxer, he bemoans being deprived of having black Americans as his Darky slaves.
The uncanny similarity of thought and morals shared by the Chinese Communist Party and communist X and his new communist Democrat party is hard to ignore.
X: are you now or have you ever been a card carrying member of the Chinese Communist Party?
X, central planning certainly gets results! Example: China has doomed itself with it’s cultural revolution and one-child tyranny.
Sorry commies, China is slowly losing power each day.
You ever been to China? The cheapest commodity they have is human life. Of course they are getting better, on stolen technology.
No, but I’m planning to visit next year. They also have cheaper food, medicine, housing, healthcare, transportation, eduction, etc.
what does your wife think about that? How will she handle on her own the 13 children you have
fatheredspawned, knowing that you have told us you are a traditional Jewish Republican businessman?X
Great, maybe you’ll fit right in and stay…I hear Xi is looking for a new sidekick. The old one mysteriously disappeared…Try the jellied Yak testicles, I have been told they’re delicious.
X says: No, but I’m planning to visit next year. They also have cheaper food, medicine, housing, healthcare, transportation, eduction, etc.
Your tourism was inspired by the realization that your fellow communists in Communist China are just as dependent on slavery as your Democrat Confederate Kluxxer forefathers were that really inspired you! A trip to Communist China to bask in brotherly communist love and hopes you could once again see an economy that depended on slave labor. Bernie The Commie Sanders’ honeymoon, redux!
China’s economy runs on Uyghur slave labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
X says: China has gotten a lot better and more efficient at manufacturing, well everything. That is why they are capable of manufacturing things not only fast but also high quality.
This is X’s (and the Communist Chinese) view of what capitalism looks like:
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Which is why when X is posting as his alter ego Anonymous Confederate Kluxxer, he bemoans being deprived of having black Americans as his Darky slaves.
The uncanny similarity of thought and morals shared by the Chinese Communist Party and communist X and his new communist Democrat party is hard to ignore.
IMHO America needs to break up the corporatists through anti-trust laws. They are the ones herding American consumers into the cheap junk chute that continues to crush free markets. An example would be if you need building supplies, you have two choices to choose from, where the items are price fixed within a dollar or two. Walmart put every local merchant out of business so we could buy cheap Chinese junk, the true cost is debt. America needs to re engage with manufacturing, agriculture, autos and American tradesmen. Put the cash down line for new small business entrepreneurs the working people, not the mega corporations oligarchs.
Here’s a simple truth, we will never be able to compete with China when it comes to manufacturing. They have entire cities dedicated to manufacturing cars, furniture, appliances, electronics. Textiles, etc. They have perfected supply chain logistics to a fine art. We don’t have the manpower and brain power to compete, especially while we are purging immigrants, those that we need to keep us competitive and productive.
The only reason our economy is afloat right now is because it is being artificially sustained on an AI bubble that is bound to burst and healthcare jobs that will be in jeopardy because government subsidies will expire at the end of the year. Just 15% of China’s exports are to the U.S. They have other markets to rely on besides ours. We don’t have that kind of cushion against economic disruption.
“The only reason our economy . . .”
By far, the largest sector of the US economy is the service industry.
Care to just make up something else? (Or do you have a daily limit?)
Yeah, the service industry as in financial services, hospitality, etc, the menial jobs that immigrants do. We need manufacturing. It will never be able to compete against China, but….we still need more manufacturing here because that is what creates middle class jobs. But thanks to U.S. companies putting profit ahead of anything else it’s more profitable to send manufacturing to China or even Vietnam where labor costs are cheaper and supply chains are readily available. It would cost a LOT more to restart manufacturing here and companies do not want to lose their profit margins by spending more money here in both, infrastructure and labor.
What is being built in large quantities are data centers for AI. They are HUGE facilities requiring more electric power, water, and minimal staff and they are not making any money. China has cheaper AI and they have huge solar farms, wind turbines to support them. We are stopping investment in solar and wind. Why? It’s costing us more in money and resources to keep building these facilities. This AI bubble that is artificially sustaining Trump’s economy is going to burst and it will be catastrophic.
X says: Yeah, the service industry as in financial services, hospitality, etc, the menial jobs that immigrants do.
That’s a three part commie Democrat lie. All in one sentence.
1. Criminal Illegal Aliens aka Guest Democrat Voters are supposedly immigrants – don’t you dare call them criminal Illegal Aliens.
2. Criminal Illegal Aliens do not qualify due to their criminal status to be illegally working in the financial sector.
3. The Bureau of Labor Statistics allegedly says that either actual legal immigrants or criminal Illegal Aliens are the ones actually doing those jobs. Except they say the opposite.
X wants us to believe that Biden’s guest MS-13 rapist and murderers are picking our lettuce growing from the cracks in the sidewalks and streets of New York, Los Angeles and all the other large cities in America they live in.
Here’s a bigger fact X
China has to ship their goods half way around the world to US markets. That takes time and great quantities of bunker C fuel, Bunker C is costly, ship maintenance is costly. America is far better off manufacturing their own quality goods here, creating jobs and in turn a robust economy. We control our supply chain, we control the environmental impact, we control our energy, food and critical necessities.
People with good jobs make money, they spend money. They have a shot at the American dream, they are happy. All we’re doing is elevating the lives of 5 billion coolies so they can out consume the world’s resources. All so some billionaires can get some poon and fly around in their jet and cruise around in their yacht.
“Here’s a bigger fact X
China has to ship their goods half way around the world to US markets. That takes time and great quantities of bunker C fuel, Bunker C is costly, ship maintenance is costly.”
China builds more ships than anyone else. They also build them bigger and the bigger and more they carry the more cost efficient they are for carrying goods. Fuel is not an issue when it is being paid by us and the products we buy from their factories. Products our companies outsource so that we can enjoy cheap quality products that we demand and need.
So bigger ships take bigger engines and bigger ships can’t squeeze through the Panama canal meaning an additional transit time of two to three weeks. Have you ever used Chinese steel before in any of your projects?
Try harder X, we don’t need them and we’re subsidizing our enemies. Domestic manufacturing is the way home for us. China’s ports run 24/7/365 just to bring in goods to feed their people, if it stops, they starve.
Do you know how many different ethnic people there are in China and how many different languages they speak? It’s quite diverse and not at all a homogeneous group of people and cultures.
“ So bigger ships take bigger engines and bigger ships can’t squeeze through the Panama canal meaning an additional transit time of two to three weeks. Have you ever used Chinese steel before in any of your projects?”
Did you know panama is expanding its locks with the help of China? That is why Trump whined about it a few years ago.
“ China’s ports run 24/7/365 just to bring in goods to feed their people, if it stops, they starve.”
Their exports to the US is only 12% of their total exports. They have options. We don’t. They bought their soy beans from Brazil instead of ours when Trump decided to do tariffs. They buy their beef from Australia, and Argentina. Wheat from Urkraine and Russia, They have more options than we do.
X says: Here’s a simple truth, we will never be able to compete with China when it comes to manufacturing.
Lets fix that simple lie, the latest from X: His CCP mentors could never possibly compete with America and many other countries if they were suddenly deprived of all the technology and intellectual property that they steal from the free countries of the world each day.
Deprived of that espionage and their Ugher and political gulag’s slave labour, China would be begging for food on the world stage once again, as they once did along with their partner, the Soviet Union.
X is banking on the massive bank of credibility he has earned here that we will believe his claim that pretty much everything that his ChiCom mentors sell around the world was developed and created by brilliant communist Chinese minds.
Well, good luck selling that lie, X.
If, If, If, If, yada yada yada. You have a point somewhere?
Fun fact: Our technology relies heavily on rare earth metals, and magnets. IF the chose to cut us off from it we would be in trouble. They control a little over 90% of the processing and refining of those metals for export. A lot of our high tech military equipment relies on the availability of those metals. The other sources are in…Russia. We can’t produce enough rare earths and refine it without spending Billions and years of supply chain infrastructure to support it.
Trump just ok’d the sale of very sophisticated Nvidia chips to China, why? Because he’s the dumbest deal maker ever. Funny stuff.
If, If, If, If, yada yada yada. You have a point somewhere?
Fun fact, X: you’re as pathetic at projecting as you are at successfully lying in defense of your fellow lovers of communism and slavery, the Communist Chinese:
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Projection:
Channeling one’s actions onto others typically refers to the psychological concept of projection, where an emotionally disturbed individual unconsciously or deliberately attributes their own thoughts, feelings, and anti-social or criminal behaviors onto someone else.
This is an internal defense mechanism which allows that mentally ill person to avoid confronting their own behavior and guilt by seeing it instead as as the thoughts and actions of another person who they despise and hate.
“. . . if you need building supplies, you have *two choices* to choose from . . .” (emphasis added)
You need to get out more. Or learn how to do a Google search.
Lowes and Home Depot have the Lions share of the market in my State. Maybe it’s different in your area but all the old lumber and hardware stores are long gone here.
What about Menards?
They are the ones herding American consumers into the cheap junk chute that continues to crush free markets.
That’s a very communist sounding demand for top down government interfering in free markets. With the excuse for demanding that being that American citizens are simply too stupid to make the best choices for themselves, and therefore the kind loving Big Brother hand of the federal government must (reluctantly of course) do what’s best for them rather than continue to allow them the liberty, freedom and right to make their own choices.
That’s remarkably like the thinking of Woodrow Wilson, America’s first Marxist president and virulent hater of individual liberty, rights, and freedom. Right up there with the commie dog whistles i.e. “maga corporations oligarchs”.
Woodrow Wilson has still got some fanboys running around loose these days.
It’s exactly the opposite, it’s a call for a meddling government to enforce antitrust laws against monopoly and do what they were created to do.
It’s exactly the opposite, it’s a call for a meddling government to enforce antitrust laws against monopoly and do what they were created to do.
Enforce what you see as offences which you claim exist as a self-identifying Internet Lawyer expert on antitrust and monopoly legislation?
The offences that no presidential administration, Republican or Democrat, has agreed with you on since before you were born or wandered here from over in Reddit?
Well… there’s a few Democrats who agree with you from The Anti-Semitic Socialist Sisterhood in the House – Pressley agrees with you and you might hit her up for a hot date of like minds getting together.
And of course, your fellow intellectual giants that are Another Outrageous Communist and her brother from another Marxist mother, Bernie The Commie Sanders.
But AOC already has a boyfriend and to get a cheap date with Sanders would require hooking up on Grindr.
Would those be the same people that sat silently by while the invading hordes of illegal labor destroyed our tradesmen? The National Home Building corporations first slowly weeded out the small custom home builders then moved up the chain and became development companies, cutting out the smaller land developers. It’s the same in every industry, easy to see why our middle class is struggling and antisemitism exists.
Watch as the fools defend the world’s greatest threat, the Communist Chinese.
Greatest threat Hullbobby? How are they a threat?
Watch as the fools defend the world’s greatest threat, the Communist Chinese.
Hullbobby, it’s another glaring public display of the intersectional love affairs that Democrats race to embrace and support. Really no different than their last one: “Democrat Homosexuals For Hamas”.
If X and the rest of the communist Democrats were chickens, they’d be racing to have demonstrations with signs saying “Chickens For Colonel Sanders”.
Really, now how do you know that to be a fact? Maybe because you hate humans who do not look like you. RACIST!
One of The Oval Office House Plant’s best customers in Communist China is attempting to mount a defense with the inevitable Democrat tactic: “You’re a RACIST!!!!”. Meanwhile here’s how actual Americans, not ChiCom apparatchiks know:
Forced Organ Harvesting: Another Chinese Communist Party’s Means to Target Minorities and Dissidents
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Couldn’t have said it better, Ellen. Thanks.
You’re stoopider than that crazy thing. Go back to bed and eat your rancid oatmeal.
Ellen, you are right and that is why we need to keep being a strong nation militarily and economically and why we need other nations to bulk up as well. China is on the rise and it won’t be a good world if they eclipse us and the west.
Perfectly stated by the local idiot.
Hullbobby, why?
We may be strong militarily, but that’s it. Soon that is all that will make is look…superior I guess.
China is doing something that we cannot and that is improve and dominate in manufacturing and providing economic strength to other countries. We undermine other counties economies to maintain economic dominance except we cannot do that with China and the demonstrated that very clearly when they threatened to shut us out of the rare earth metals which they have 90% control of. Especially in refining capacity.
Why wouldn’t it be a good world if China surpasses us? It would be our own fault if they do. WE helped them create the economic superpower they are today because WE demanded cheap products and our companies LOVED the profit margins they got. It won’t be long before Boeing and Airbus have a serious competitor in the commercial aircraft business. COMAC is already in the process of producing their own engines and wide-bodies to compete with us and Europe. They already build more ships, cars, robots, and cheaper AI. Trump is busy taxing our companies to punish China.
X says: China is doing something that we cannot and that is improve and dominate in manufacturing and providing economic strength to other countries… Why wouldn’t it be a good world if China surpasses us?
China’s economy runs on Uyghur forced labour
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-05-29/chinas-economy-runs-on-uyghur-forced-labour
Anybody whose economy depends on slave labor is going to get a full throated endorsement from their fellow commie and admirer of slave labor, X, The Former Confederate Democrat Kluxxer George. Slavery is GOOD thing in X’s world… he still wants black Americans back playing their proper role as his Darkies and part of his personal physical property.
And shouldn’t we all recognize how much better the world will be with the ChiCom advances in medicine that X is so excited about?
Forced Organ Harvesting: Another Chinese Communist Party’s Means to Target Minorities and Dissidents
https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/forced-organ-harvesting-another-chinese-communist-party-s-means-to-target-minorities-and-dissidents
X wants to assure us that this is the good world he is working so hard to help his fellow commie Democrats bring to America.
“Not to mention Tibet.”
Or Hong Kong:
“More than a hundred people, including several prominent activists, have been arrested since” communist China’s criminalization of free speech.
Ellen Evans,
Well said.
Funny no one seems to have mentioned a little protest called Tiananmen Square Massacre. People are not allowed to go down to the square, but you can see it from a distance.
It is not just the Uyghurs who are oppressed, but their own people. You can feel it in the air.
People at the Foxconn factory are treated like slaves at slave wages.
Their air quality is terrible. I was only there for ten days and it felt like I spent the whole time in a smoke filled room. Felt like I had a chest cold for a week after I got back.
In order to keep things looking like progress, they build entire cities with no one in them. Row after row after row of the identical building, standing empty. The construction is very questionable.
Counterfeits are big business. I recall a 60-Minute (back when 60-Minutes was still credible) article about Chinese counterfeit Titleist golf clubs. There are even counterfeit eggs.
Anyone recall the tainted milk scandal?
https://www.npr.org/2008/09/18/94748565/milk-powder-scandal-angers-chinese-parents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal