This year, there has been a race to the bottom as Democratic politicians fuel the rage in our streets against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers. That continued this last week when Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz again rushed to judgment after a shooting, adding that the public should not treat Border Patrol or ICE officers as real “law enforcement” officers. However, rock bottom was finally reached by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes (D), who not only said that she does not consider ICE officers to be “real law enforcement,” but raised the possibility of citizens shooting them under state law.
First, the obvious. Mayes said, “I put [“officers”] in air quotes because I don’t think they are real law enforcement.” These are real law enforcement officers under federal law, enforcing federal law. Period. The effort by Walz, Mayes, and others to question their status or treat them as impostors is clearly designed to inflame citizens and encourage greater confrontations. It is a dangerous form of demagoguery. It is sending citizens into harm’s way, encouraging them to impede federal operations involving the arrest of criminal suspects.
Mayes later stated that she was “mischaracterized” and that “the idea that I would want the life of any member of law enforcement put in danger is wrong, offensive, and an outright lie.” Mayes’s “mischaracterizations” came at a time of growing unrest and the “Attorney General” rushed forward to add to the reckless rhetoric.
Again, repeating Walz’s talking points, she referred to these officers as “poorly trained.” She obviously has no idea about the training of these officers. The officer involved in the Alex Pretti shooting was an experienced officer with the Border Patrol. The officer involved in the prior Renée Good shooting was also an experienced officer.
While mischaracterizing the officers, figures like Walz are sending demonstrably “untrained” citizens into highly dangerous situations. Walz specifically called out citizens into the streets to record these operations, which is precisely what Pretti was trying to do before his fatal confrontation with officers.
Mayes, however, was not looking for a tie in that race to the bottom. She told citizens that Arizona’s “Stand Your Ground” law might be cited as grounds for the use of lethal force against officers. She declared:
“You have these masked, federal officers with very little identification — sometimes no identification — wearing plain clothes and masks and we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that says if you reasonably believe your life is in danger and you’re in your house or in your car or on your property, that you can defend yourself with lethal force.”
She later added, “It’s a fact that we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law and, in other states, un-uniformed, masked people who can’t be identified as police officers.”
It was a reckless statement of the law. These laws only protect “reasonable” uses of self-defense. However, they have an express exemption for using force “to resist an arrest that the person knows or should know is being made by a peace officer or by a person acting in a peace officer’s presence and at his direction, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful, unless the physical force used by the peace officer exceeds that allowed by law.”
It is not uncommon for law enforcement to use officers in plain clothes to make initial arrests or contacts with suspects who might flee or resist.
Mayes’s comments could encourage an already enraged and irrational segment of our population to use lethal force under the false pretense of standing their ground.
Attacks on these officers have increased exponentially with the violent rhetoric of these politicians. Just last week, a rioter bit off the finger of an officer.
Mayes also vowed to prosecute any ICE agent who violates state laws in these operations. She is also mimicking Walz in spreading legal disinformation. While federal officers do not have absolute immunity in all cases, it is extremely unlikely that state officials could successfully prosecute such cases without facing a transfer to federal court and likely dismissal.
Walz made the same misleading claim in saying that Minnesota would investigate the shooting and that the federal government would not be allowed to conduct the investigation. He has no authority to dictate who or how the shooting will be investigated.
While the state can conduct its own investigation, the federal government will investigate a shooting by a federal officer. Walz further pandered to the mob by raising the debunked “bait boy” story and telling citizens that ICE was “shooting them in the face when they come out of donut shops.”
Rage is hard to maintain for months and the Pretti shooting, as described by one Democratic operative according to Fox’s Chad Pergram, is a “new wild card” in the politics on the Hill over funding.
There remain legitimate questions about this shooting. The videotapes do not show, as suggested in early accounts from the federal government, that Pretti approached the officers brandishing a weapon.
Pretti does not obey the commands of the officers in returning to the middle of the road during their operation. However, he did not appear threatening until after the officer pushed him to the side of the road. At one point, he appears to shove the officer as he tries to assist a woman who was pushed to the ground.
What happens next is hard to determine. There is a video that suggests that an officer may have removed his weapon from its holster just before another officer yells “gun.” It is hard to see Pretti’s hands and we do not know what happened in that split second. We may get a better idea as new videotapes emerge.
Law enforcement officers do not expect blind deference on shootings. However, they have a right to expect a fair chance for an investigation to hear their side of a shooting — not a governor or a mayor rushing before cameras to effectively accuse them of murder.
At this point, it may not matter. Only the mob matters. Minneapolis Brian O’Hara explained: “even if there is an investigation that ultimately proves that at the time of the shooting it was legally justified, I don’t think that even matters at this point, because there just- there is so much outrage and concern around what is happening in the city.”
Walz has demonstrated politics of the lowest kind, stoking anger as citizens and officers alike are injured. Walz is pledging to go to court to stop further operations—a lawsuit that would be another frivolous filing. Previously, the state, including Attorney General Keith Ellison, filed to prevent the federal government from increasing forces to investigate fraud and immigration violations.
Walz, Maye, and others are following a long line of demagogues who sought to use social unrest to advance their political careers. For Walz, sending people into the streets has the benefit of not having them at home watching and reading about the growing fraud scandal in his state.
It is not a defense of democracy, but mobocracy in Minnesota.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the author of the forthcoming “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution,” which will be released on Feb. 3 as part of the celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
This column appeared on Fox.com
Shame On Tim Walz, Jacob Frey Et Al.
Yesterday, Walmart was responsible for the suicide committed by a customer to whom it had sold a shotgun.
Today, the subject in America is Tim Walz, Jacob Frey et al. for vigorously inciting and exhorting citizens to confront federal agents, such as ICE, Border Patrol, and federal police officers, with violence, including weapons and firearms.
The guy who dies was employed at a hospital, is it possible that his fellow workers knew about his ICE fixation insanity?
Maybe the parents could sue the hospital, his friends etc. knowing his problem, for wrongful death?
If I were a lawyer, I would try that argument with a Texas jury..
So true. The venue must be changed to Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.
Correction: Professor Turley is slightly mistaken when he says that “Democratic politicians fuel the rage in our streets.” In many cases, they are creating the rage, and then fueling the flames.”
I agree that it is a race to the bottom, but not by Democrats. This from an independent, who hasn’t voted for a Democrat for fifty years. ICE agents looking for dangerous illegals is fine, but agents looking for protesters is another thing. Of course Trump threatening the Insurrection Law is ironic, in regard to Jan. 6th. Trump and his unqualified cabinet (Noem, Bondi, etc.) are insuring a blue tidal wave in November.
What you say is unconstitutional rubbish.
There is no such thing as aggravated and aggressive, out-of-control protest in the Constitution.
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Congress shall make no law…abridging the…right of the people peaceably to assemble,….
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Merriam-Webster
peaceably
adverb
peace·ably -blē -bli
1: in a peaceable and friendly manner : without contention or strife
possible for more than one religion to survive comparatively peaceably in the same state— Alfred Cobban
2: without subjection to annoyance or confusion : in peace : quietly
disturb him not; let him pass peaceably— Shakespeare
FAFO
Today, after the enforcement of law, the lunatics are gathering “peaceably to assemble” and mourn in Minneapolis.
Where do come up with such nonsense. What does ICE have to do with a non-insurrection? That is not a analogy, its nonsense. Its obvious you want to read yourself on these comments.
They are not looking for protesters. The protesters are looking for ICE to force confrontations, obstruction.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2015093523733733474.html
Trump’s cabinet is just fine. Doing great for that matter.
. You’ll deserve what you get.
Doubt it.
Doesn’t it seem as if the prog/dems are pushing for a civil war hoping that they will destroy the union and can then overwhelm the metropolitan centers and fracture into small autonomous zones willing and open to foreign influence and control. We need to do as Lincoln did and preserve the union by vanquishing those who wish to tear it apart.
Ha. You’re an idiot.
So you say because I expose the truth that you either want hidden or you cannot comprehend with your blinkered prog remaining “little grey cells”.
He didn’t vanquish them, as I recall, he pardoned them all. Destroy the country is their goal, without a doubt.
Foreign influence you say, just like PM Carney, he’ll invite the PRC military soon, joint maneuvers on CN soil and waters. Russia v. Ukraine again. Hopefully we’ll have a rep gov. and forcefully respond.
“Foreign influence you say, just like PM Carney, he’ll invite the PRC military soon, joint maneuvers on CN soil and waters.”
Well, Trump cleverly rescued Carney and the Marxist Liberal/NDP coalition minority government from what was expected to be a crushing Conservative victory mere weeks ahead. Where that conservative party was headed by an economist whose platform was far more conservative and small government than Trumps and stated he intended to reverse the anti-American policies of that existing coalition that dated back to when they took office and copied Obama who was in office at the time. And the Marxist coalition parties were doubted to even have official party status after the votes were counted.
Trump completely flipped the switch on that election in just mere days, reversing Marxist party extinction into being back for another six years of rule.
No explanation yet from Trump as to his strategy in choosing to ensure Canada continued to be under a Marxist minority government with an anti-American agenda. We (and they) could have had a repetition of the Reagan/Mulroney alliance, but now under the Marxist government Trump enabled, we’re looking at a Canada/ChiCom alliance as both attempt to minimize heavily penalized trade with the USA.
I would be interested in anyone’s speculation of what Trump thought he would accomplish by choosing to influence that election.
If you think it’s just Canada, you missed the other news that the UK just signed a massive trade pact with India and it’s economy for exactly the same reason: to minimize as much as possible the heavily penalized trade they have with America by keeping as much of their trade as possible between themselves.
Central and South America are just concluding a similar trade deal for the same reasons.
Again, whether Trump’s selection of who he wanted to see running Canada (Carney because he was governor of the Bank of the UK?) and the actions of the new Canadian government after he did that, or relationships with other allies, it would be nice if somebody could make sense of it.
Whimsicamama, I hate to say it but I fear you are right. I don’t think these people fully appreciate the consequences of what they might be creating.
Caveat– to annihilate Israel
Look around you. Global communism won a long time ago; it all started when “Crazy Abe” Lincoln decided he didn’t like duly legislated fundamental and statutory law and that because secession was not prohibited, secession was prohibited. Social Security and Medicare serve 18.7% of the population, not even close to general welfare, understanding that Congress may tax for and fund ONLY “debt,” “defense,” and “general Welfare.” These communist programs are pure redistribution of wealth. The whole country is nothing but communism.
“governor or a mayor rushing before cameras to effectively accuse them of murder.”
in Walz’s defense here, what do we expect a self-respecting commie to do? support law and order?
His solution he has stated repeatedly is that ICE should leave. Then he recently mentions ‘law and order’.
He was forced to say those words and it was purposefully vague as not to point at the raging mob.
He’s trying to give cover himself while actually calling for more “protests”. Inciting riots. Prosecute!
Mobocracy with Walz at the helm. It’s what commies do.
Walz is correct in moving to investigate locally as this is SOP, the Good killing notwithstanding. DHS has even moved to bypass the FBI in this latest killing of Pretti.
Clearly, at the highest level of the trump administration (read Steven miller) killings of American residents has been given the okay as acceptable risk. That’s why we get the canned ‘they were terrorists’ defenses which have obviously been written up before the killings themselves. After the killings of Pretti, DHS came out within 15 minutes with their B.S…this isn’t even long enough to run tox screens on the shooters.
Turley, you’re despicable. You are obviously part of the false response pattern cooked up beforehand. Shame on you. Your decision to work for fox news (the russians) has been a catastrophically bad decision and deserves public scorn.
It’s worse than you think. The “protesters” are all thoroughly-committed hard-left activists. They are highly organized, and their top leaders are highly-placed in the government. They have the ability to trace license plates, which, in most states, only LEOs can do, so that tells you a lot right there. They have a broad, closed, tightly coordinated communications net on Signal, and they also use radios. They are active 24/7. They are well funded with a logistics system that provides stations where the mob can get food, handwarmers, even milk. There is now at least one “autonomous” area, cordoned off by police. They are stopping people they don’t recognize and demanding they produce identification.
And now they are fielding armed “patrols” in certain neighborhoods.
Great, if they are as coordinated as you represent, they can be investigated and prosecuted.
EightBall,
Based off these reports, I do not think they are nearly as good at this as they would like us to believe,
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2015093523733733474.html
https://substack.com/redirect/72ec6135-8aa1-411d-bf99-5c5e5bd96a7c?j=eyJ1IjoiYjRhM28ifQ.LvEMva-ccuYDqvYPHjRCskA5_QMfFY7XHmAdjbijgGc
Regardless, if they have conducted criminal activity, they need to be prosecuted.
USF
I watched some idiot on YouTube give his location, admit his affiliation to Antifa and openly incite and try to organize an armed insurrection in Minneapolis. It’s all on YouTube, this idiot is representative of who the people are causing this chaos. I would bet he’s toast, usual tattooed suspect with ear gauges and nose rings. They are the bottom of our society that have contributed nothing to this country. They think this is their 15 minutes of fame, they know nothing. I see Walz and Frey doing time in the future.
They are direct and mortal enemies of the American thesis, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, actual Americans, and America.
. They are thieves of super power type. They’ve taken trillions. RIP Mr. Pretti and Ms Good. You were just a small ash can fire to them, a candle flicker diversion.
I’m pretty sure the thieves are symbolically known as locust who stripped the fields. Don’t be fooled but know right from wrong.
I wonder if all these left wing loons think the officer that shot and killed Ashley Babbit, who was unarmed and only trespassing on the Capitol grounds, should be prosecuted for murder?. I would bet they say that shooting was justified even though she posed no physical threat to Capitol law officers
Babbitt was crawling through a broken window to access congress in a riot thereby triggering rules of engagement for those seeking to protect congress. It’s too bad she was the only magat who got smoked that day as many others deserved it. Most likely upwards of a couple hundred.
Pretti was in no way committing an equivalent behavior and the only thing that makes you think he did is your cognitive dissonance.
And if we’d only smoked a few hundred of Biden’s street stormtroopers in Black Liars & Marxists and Anifa as they attempted to breach the Secret Service lines to get into the White House to murder Trump and his family… well, you wouldn’t be here commentating. A terrible loss to us – but one we’d be willing to endure.
And there wouldn’t have been those last final murderous Democrat episodes of Biden endorsed Election Campaign Mostly Peaceful Rioting, Pillaging, Arson, Armed Occupation and Murder.
But… just continue with your 2024 election campaign platform. It’s not too late for you to manage to win it yet… it was only a bit over a year ago.
Biden For President Again In 2028! Make Democrat Rioting And Illegal Aliens Great Again!
Babbit was crawling through a broken window
She was trying to access congress
There no law enforcement rules of engagement that allow murdering people
Babbit had no weapon and did not pose an imminent threat to life or serious bodily injury
Congres had left the speakers lobby and liked the doors
It was only her and ifc Byrd in the lobby
And she was not moving towards him
Had no weapon and was not being detained
The Contra-Constitutional Sanctuary Policies and laws of DEMOCRATS turn foreign criminals loose, who then hide amongst the larger migrant community, use them as human shields, and then further prey upon local populations. This has been the case for decades as Congress abdicates and ignores its proper role. Sanctuary Policies are perversely deemed virtuous by these States Rights, Municipal Rights Progressive Anti-Nationalists (or simply DENIED like CO Gov Polis and Denver Mayor Johnston insist). Biden was elected and opened the border immediately in 2021 as promised. Trump was elected to reverse the INVASION and eject millions of these FAKE Asylum-refugee residents. NEVER did we ONCE see Gvt. officials incite rightwing paramilitary protestors to attack the “Newcomers” and those in authority trafficking them into the country 2021-2024. That would have been an Insurrection and met with immediate and overwhelming Federal force and investigation of any Republican leaders suspected of support. This is a problem of Congress’s own making. They cut a deal in 1986 with Reagan and have intentionally subverted a modern, sane immigration policy to pair with enforcement ever since.
Lies and rage is all the commies have here in Never-going-to-be-a-socialist-country, USA.
Sorry commie! Desperate dem politicians: wrap yourself in the “warmth of socialism” without funding from us hated capitalists.
Desperate commies do desperate things.
Elections have consequences and we are taking away your illegal voters. Without them, dems are going extinct. Goodbye party of hatred.
Minnesotans: Notice how there is little rage going on elsewhere? Defund the communism and end your rebellion!
“You have these masked, federal officers with very little identification — sometimes no identification — wearing plain clothes and masks and we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that says if you reasonably believe your life is in danger and you’re in your house or in your car or on your property, that you can defend yourself with lethal force.” So, lets change what she said to be more universal regarding protests where almost all progressive/liberal protesters/agitators wear masks – Hence – “You have these masked, protesters/agitators with no identification — sometimes zero identification — wearing plain clothes and masks and we have a ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that says if you reasonably believe your life is in danger and you’re in your house or in your car or on your property, that you can defend yourself with lethal force.” Thank you AZ AG for unleashing the hounds of hell on the agitators/protesters.
Unfortunately the Trump administration are using ICE for political purposes. ICE agents should not be going around executing people. There also should not be a coverup of these killings and there should be an objective investigation. Trump and his administration should not be giving opinions on the killings without knowing the facts. It is sad that we have a President who is a sexual predator, con man and chronic liar. The government itself should comply with the law by releasing the Epstein files. We need transparency.
Seems to me you have a real identification problem. How many photos of Trump on predatory island with underage girls have you seen? How many of Bill Clinton? How many subpoenas has Trump ignored from Congress? How many of Bill Clinton? How many massages (wink wink) did Trump get? How many did Bill Clinton? How much money did Trump launder through Epstein? How much did Bill Clinton? Now if you can honestly answer those questions perhaps you can figure it out.
Wasn’t it the last President that was the sexual predator, con man, and chronic liar? His own daughter accused him of molesting her, and she wrote about it in her diary. Wasn’t that why the secret service recovered it? Do they usually do this to recover a lost/stolen diary? He was also a con man grifter, getting his 10% on everything his drug addict son and brother could steal. He also lied about practically everything. His five Vietnam deferments for asthma were a total lie. At the same time he was lying about this, he was also paying high school sports and lying about not getting a football scholarship to Annapolis. He was well enough for football but the not for the draft? The guy even lied about the truck driver that killed his wife, repeatedly claiming that he was drunk, when there was absolutely no evidence of this. This was the same wife he was cheating on with the babysitter that he ended up marrying. The guy was human garbage.
Yes trump is using ice for political purposes
Arresting and deporting criminal illegals like 80% of the country still wants according to yesterdays Harvard poll
Trump was elected by people who want immigration law enforced
That is political
It is also the rule of law
Democrats act politically too
All the time
But their actions are political and lawless
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO GET AWAY WITH IT MR TURLEY… SADLY, THE MID TERMS WILL ASSURE THEIR FUTURES… WITH A BIT OF SWEAT LEFT ON THEIR BROWS …. GROWING UP I LEARNED… THE GOVERNMNET HAS SUPREMACY OVER STATES AND LOCAL ENTITIES… WHY NOT BEGIN WITH ARRESTING ‘OUT OF TOWNERS’ AND TRACING MONIES THAT PAY FOR THESE INSURECTIONS EVERYWHERE?
It’s even worse than you think. Go to X. See @courageisahabit, @camhigby , @jamesokeefeIII .
Yesterday signal chats were infiltrated.
MONARCA
SALUTE
There is a proven connection to Tim Walz.
Professor, the State if Minnesota has demonstrated they are unable or unwilling to defend their citizens.
Is that the legal definition of insurrection?
A long time ago it was Boston. Then Charleston. Now Minneapolis. Two of these are not like the other
Exchange Minnesota for Alberta and we’ll call it even. There is no hope for Minnesota. Too many leftwing nutjobs – just like Cali/Ore/Wash.
This opinion is wrong on so many fronts. I live blocks from where this happened and have seen the video..you are either ignorant or s white nationalist or both. I hope you face the consequences for such a misguided and cruel take on an unnecessary death and I am so glad that I do not live in your world view. You must really hate yourself.
Unless you served YOU have NO idea what it is like! Cowards like you need to call a criminal next time you need help or call a Illegal Alien. Police and our fellow Federal Brothers are busy saving lives worthwhile. That fool that got himself killed by “Suicide by Cop” had no intention of doing anything but malevolent harm with intent to kill. That is why he brought a 9mm semi automatic weapon with 2 loaded magazines to the scene. #BackTheBlue #BlueStrong #BlueLivesMatter
Fing A Frank
Frank, please shut up with that response. Millions like me do not care about that “serve” BS you spew. Service… ha! I do not consider cops etc. as anything more than thugs with badges. Playing cop etc. was just a job you and millions others did or a lifetime pension. Nothing more. Service, ba humbug.
I would try to explain it to you but you would not ever understand. It would have to do with caring about more than your own worthless, tiresome, and bloviating self. It would have to do with giving up a piece of your life and possibly your life itself to dedicate it totally toward the benefit of others or your country.
Therefore, you should just say thank you and go back to the safety of your Moms basement.
There are good cops and bad cops
But as Hobbs said life without cops is “nasty, Brutish and short”
Law enforcement is an absolute necessity
We can discuss how to improve it
Only idiots wish to live without it
Regardless if you want life without police find a cabin 100miles from anything
Do not F#%K the rest of us over to test Darwin Award stupid ideas
The Leftist concept that words and actions are interchangeable is fallacious and dangerous. It allows nutjobs to make the wrong and dangerous leap to thinking that impeding and assaulting federal officers is protected by the 1st because it is speech.
Waltz and Frey are criminals because instead of ordering MN law enforment to deescalate and keep the peace they are escalating the violence by promoting insurrection.
The Left is going to get a terrible lesson if they keep this up and try to spread it.
Who is paying for these astroturf ops? Prosecute them.
“Who is paying for these astroturf ops? Prosecute them.”
A lot of these insurrectionist mobs are paid activists–i.e. angry losers with nothing better to do. Many of the rioters who tried to murder Kyle Rittenhouse were chronic felons and deviants.
These lunatics shuffle from riot to riot, trying to give the impression of widespread grassroots resistance. This is orchestrated, as you suggest, and the media goes along with this false optic by adjusting the camera angle and not investigating the rioters.
We don’t see the millions of Minnesotans outside of Minniesomalia who support ICE. They are ghosted and too busy working.
“A lot of these insurrectionist mobs are paid activists–i.e. angry losers …” Heard about that a lot, yet there is no definitive proof.
There is evidence. Independent journalists have reported on specific individuals.
So much for freedom of the press? Who are the owners?
“I live blocks from where this happened and have seen the video.”
Living in Minniesomalia only suggests you might be crazy. I’ve seen the videos, too, and they are too vague to be conclusive. I hope the officers acted properly, but I’ll wait for the facts.
Diogenes,
Well said and I agree.
However, since the news has gotten out about this shooting, our annony moron friends seem to be repeating the same old, and lame, DNC/DSA talking points and ignoring the facts.
We can’t let these people get back in power, Upstate. They’re politically incompetent.
Maybe if you impress them with Latin phrases, they’ll acquiesce to your superior intelligence.
Diogenes,
They’re politically incompetent and corrupt.
They are definitely not
politically incompetent or we would not be talking anout them now. They are politically dangerous. Even worse, they are psychopaths.
Repeating? Funny you should say that. As I’ve seen here, you spew the same garbage day after day.
You’ve never shown a bit of intelligence in all your comments – ever. You are a parrot.
No doubt while also waiting for angels to be real.
Why does where you live matter ?
This could have happened anywhere in Minneapolis
But almost nowhere else is this stupid and lawless
Ice did not face this Darwin level stupidity from the governor down to people like pretti and good anywhere else
Not Chicago
Not Los Angeles
I do not think all Minnesotans are this stupid
But you could not know from the news
I repeat my call to bring the doctrine of qualified immunity for politicians and other public officials to an end. That way reckless idiots like Walz and Maye could be indited as accessories before the fact for the crimes they are soliciting and be held accountable for the injuries and deaths of any foolish enough to follow through on what they advocate.
indicted
Walz: Give them a fair trial then we’ll hang them.
Well said professor!! Race to the bottom indeed. Thank you for pointing out the actual law.
There is some question as to the safety of the firearm itself. There have been previous reporting of unintended discharge from that particular firearm to include one incident involving a LEO holstering his issued firearm.
I can see someone carrying a pistol under our RKBA, for the purpose of effective self-defense.
But why carry extra magazines? Did he fear the zombie apocalypse? Was he planning to go to the range later?
michaeldix2f64102fb2,
According to the website, the firearm ships with 3 21-round magazines.
Based off the pictures, that is the “AXG-Combat, Custom Works” firearm. Note, it has no manual safety.
Rambo wannabe?
Quick search and there are more than a few questioning the safety of that particular firearm including a report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility.
63 (or 64) rounds?
Definitely zombie apocalypse prepper.
You do realize that may striker-fired handguns do not have manual safeties, do you not? My little SCCY 9mm has none, and I am hardly a Rambo wannabe…
Yep. And I would never own one.
Here is a great review of your little pistol, https://gununiversity.com/sccy-9mm-review/
Wrong gun. The CPX models are not striker-fired I have the DAO DVG-1.. BTW, nice diversion from a challenge to your contention that carrying a handgun that lacks a manual safety somehow connotes irresponsible gun ownership. I also have 3 Ruger revolvers in .357 mag, none of which feature manual safeties. I suppose that any one of the roughly 1 million Ruger revolver owners are also aspiring Rambos?
“I can see someone carrying a pistol under our RKBA, for the purpose of effective self-defense.”
I’m with you that far. But why would anyone seeking to preserve his own safety, deliberately enter what was effectively a combat zone, on foot? Rule 1 in that circumstance is avoidance. BTW, extra mags are always justifiable, and are not subject to interpretation wrt intent. Some of us just like to be prepared.
That model SIG has about 100 documented unplanned discharges but, hey, it’s cheap. The dead guy killed himself by brining a loaded gun and pulling it on the officers. It was in his hand when the first officer tried to grab it and it went off. The responding officer who shot him is a Master Firearms trainer and Use of Force Expert. He trains the others in those areas. It was a good shoot. Now the Antifa morons are calling for open war. Civil War 2.0 is now hot.
Michael A. Crognale,
Yep, a quick search and I got two pages worth of hits on that model and safety concerns.
I would like to see more videos before making a judgement. Regardless, going to a protest and confronting LEOs in a hostile situation like that with a loaded firearm and two 21-round magazines?? I would call that a bad life choice.
New York Post , take a look. https://nypost.com/video/new-video-angle-shows-moment-armed-man-shot-dead-in-minneapolis-by-federal-agent/
1st shot was the deceased? Then 3 then 4?
I appreciate your take on this. However, it is unbelievably sad that the radical left, identifying as Democrats, is hellbent on causing a civil war in our beloved Country.
If men have a duty to fight the wars of their beloved country,
Do women have a duty to make the people of the country?
If they don’t, there will be no country.
The American fertility rate is in a “death spiral” at 1.6.
Thanks, women.
. Diversionary tactic from the massive theft. It’s about trillions of stolen money in reality.
Stop sending money into Minnesota without trusted 1000s of CPAs following it. Musk is still on their tails.
Minnesota can do what they choose but not with money from other States. Hannibal Lecter can be their neighbor. DEA is in their too. Guard interstates, rails and airports.
“Race to the bottom indeed.” Um… so what does it look like from the bottom? Your perspective is really narrow, huh?
What does it look like from the bottom? Just re-read the good professor’s column again, look at what Democrats are saying, vs the actual law. They are the ones who are shaping any perspective. Not our fault they are the ones doing it. If they would not say stupid and crazy things that are clearly against the law, they would not have this problem.
. Click on ” bit off the finger”. As thought sub-human. Darwin award.
There’s an actual choice involved in being human. Humans create law, government and non violent strategies to upgrade those ideas. The other option is animal. Jaws of steel indicate animal.
Greenland should not join ” North America”.
Turns out Alex Pretti was a member of the Kingfield Signal ICE watch group, a sophisticated part of a city-wide organization whose sole purpose is to stop federal agents from enforcing the democratically enacted immigration laws of the U.S. Worse yet, he was interfering while carrying a firearm with extra magazines: ICE agents have enough worries without having Far Left armed goons interfering with their official jobs.
Going armed while interfering with LEOs who are performing their duties in a public venue as directed by their superiors is definitely Darwin Award class behavior. That is true whether or not the activities of the LEOs are ultimately declared to be legal and proper or not. And why would anyone want to test the ability of those officers to react calmly and accurately evaluate their situation response level 100% according to their training when in the midst of a situation that has deliberately been rendered as chaotic as possible? There are proper venues and procedures to contest such things; in the street while armed is not one of them.
Click on the link bit off finger– my gawd. From the bottom what’s it look like? Animals
But but but it was his Second Amendment right to lawfully carry a firearm, he was trying to help some poor lady being beaten by those murderous ICE thugs that were trying to arrest a pedophile for sodomizing a child. S/ for the dumb one
What you call helping an old lady is actually called criminal interference with law enforcement
The officers were trying to creat distance between an arrest that ultimately failed because of left wing nut interference and the protesters
Let’s be clear you obey yhd orders of law enforcement
If you have an issue with them file a complaint or lawsuit later
The woman should have gotten out of the road as ordered
Pretti was not merely interfering but doubling the scale of the problem
There is slot we do not know about the shooting
But there is absolutely zero doubt that absent the gun and shooting pretti would be in jail right now
. What had he done to get ICE’s attention?
Another seditious conspiracy
Get them Kask and Pam!
. Ah, the mobster gangsters have whistlers and moms and pops employed as diversionary tactic. I c. Plenty of airhead young women in there, too, fainting.