Some of us in the free speech community have been writing about the hypocrisy of many in the media and academia suddenly championing free speech values after years of silence (or support) over censorship of conservatives, libertarians, and contrarians. A good example can be found in the Chicago area, where a physical education teacher is on administrative leave and faces possible termination after posting two words (“Go ICE”) on Facebook in support of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Local leaders and groups are demanding that he be fired, even though a posting opposing ICE would likely have been heralded rather than condemned.
Social media exploded with commentators calling the teacher a “f****** piece of s***.” A flyer demanded termination because any expression of support for ICE is “inappropriate and unsuitable for an educator.” The flyer insisted that “keeping this teacher will disrupt the emotional welfare and therefore, the education of our students.”
Local Democratic leaders immediately joined the mob. That includes Karina Villa, who posted a message saying she stands in “unwavering solidarity” with those demanding action given the “disturbing comments reportedly made by an educator.”
As is often the case, Villa did the perfunctory nod toward the right to free speech before joining the effort to gut it. She acknowledged the right, but noted that “as educators we have the responsibility to our students and their families to create a safe and welcoming environment for all.”
According to the district’s superintendent, Kristina Davis, the unnamed teacher submitted a resignation on Friday but then withdrew that resignation before the board could approve it. She then suspended the teacher pending an investigation.
That “investigation” concerns the posting of two words in favor of law enforcement outside the school on a personal social media account.
In the meantime, Mayor Daniel Bovey and the city council of West Chicago held a “listening session” on Monday to address the trauma of having a teacher who openly supports ICE. The District also addressed what it called the “disruption for students, families, and staff” and assured families that “our schools are safe spaces.”
Once again, the teacher simply wrote “Go Ice” on a personal social media account.
Notably, the nearby Chicago Teachers’ Union is one of the most radical and politically active in the country. Members have publicly voiced support for the Venezuelan regime and have engaged in violent public declarations against the Administration.
Go SA!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
(This is how you sound. You should be ashamed of yourselves.)
“Go SA”.
I hear you, Anon. Now the Trump administration wants to build new detention facilities across America for the purpose of housing immigrants deemed undesirable, but construction has been stopped before it has begun at every location by protesters….GO RESISTANCE!
I recommend a book titled “In the Garden of Beasts” written by Erik Larson. It concerns the experiences of the American ambassador to Germany and his family in Berlin during the rise of the Third Reich.
It may seem familiar.
are you able to admit people are here AGAINST OUR LAWS?
No…because YOU HATE America…more than anything!
You WANT Destruction!
Do you believe American should have ONE BILLION Immigrants….all living here for free?
^^^^ Projection , anon
No. Sometimes a cigar really is nothing more than a cigar.
Thank you for your canned, hackneyed response, though.
Those of you on the left should be ashamed of yourselves – claiming that legitimate Law Enforcement that has existed in this country in some form since its founding is some how the same as Hitlers Private police who were formed outside of govenrment and had no government authority.
ICE is not “loyal to Trump” – they are loyal to the country – regardless of who is president.
The swear the same oath as everyone in Government.
The do not enforce laws they make up, or that Trump made up.
They enforce laws passed by congress as much as 60 years ago.
If you change the law – they are sworn to enforce the law however it is at the present. They will follow the law as changed.
It is also disgusting and slimey that you are attacking ICE for enforcing laws.
In most cases they are arresting murders, rapists. child molestors – one wonders why the Minneapolis police had not arrested them.
If the MPD arrests someone for rape – are they SA ?
Shame on YOU!!!
You are more revolting than marxists.
You are shilling for Anarchy.
For the end of law enforcement, for murders and rapists running the streets.
Shame on YOU!!
John Say,
“You are shilling for Anarchy.
For the end of law enforcement, for murders and rapists running the streets.”
Yes. They are shilling for exactly that.
Asking the LEFT if they have Shame is like asking
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc if they had shame
Democrats ARE FASCISTS…plain and simple
They don’t want to protect people. They WANT POWER…and NEED TO IMPORT useful illegals!
Shame on me? Aww. Poor Johnny. I seem to have hit a nerve.
There are clear parallels between Trump’s White House and incipient dictatorships. But American protesters, who are patriots, will see that the likes of a tyrannical dictatorship will never happen in the U.S.
I am no anarchist. I merely offer some historical perspective.
Someone once said, “The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.”
^^^ anon, there isn’t a difference between kidnapping and arresting. Both take people away against their will.
This teacher got off easy.
The punishment for opposing ICE is much, much worse.
At least the board didn’t shoot the teacher on the street:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
Yet
Why the premise that having any bias is necessarily a bad thing?
The school district says their schools are A safe place. They are delusional. Students are likely to be Wounded, killed, robbed, sexually assaulted, and worse they don’t learn anything.
like many of the centers for supervising young criminals
Is anyone really surprised these people would want to punish someone for exercising their 1stA rights?
Laken Riley thought her campus was a “safe space,” until one of Biden’s illegals violated her rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Okay? So whats the name of Biden’s illegals?
Manual….as in manual labor.
José Antonio Ibarra. Was found guilty and sentenced him to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
20 + Million of them!
You will not hear or see one word of sympathy for Laken, her family, and other innocent victims of illegal criminals prowling unhindered throughout our country and defended by radicals who fight law enforcement trying to make us safe.
Remember that the Left shall define what constitutes “Hate Speech.” And it’s pretty much anything that hurts their feelings.
Here, on a free speech blog, can we all agree that people exercising their First Amendment rights should not be shot while protesting? Or is it okay if you don’t like the politics of those involved in the protest? Is being censored worse than being deprived of your life? Conservatives are against abuses of government power when it affects fellow travelers in relatively minor ways, but not so much when it affects their ideological opponents in ways far greater. Yes, this demonstrates a strong belief in the Constitution.
Agree? Never!
^^^ anon has ingrained hatred. It’s reflexive and cannot be changed. It crosses all boundaries race, ethnicity, creed, color, religion, gender. Anon, is there a single common factor within your hatred and do you realize your options are limited by current laws to either hide or flee?
The 1A protects the right to peaceably assemble. No one is against that.
There is no 1A protection for “impeding” law enforcement actions. Attempting to prevent or disrupt federal law enforcement efforts from carrying out lawful detentions is NOT a protest.
The mayor should have ordered the Minneapolis police to keep these people the Left and media refer to as “protestors” some distance away from ICE and Border Patrol agents who are lawfully attempting to detain criminal illegal aliens.
Instead, Frey ordered the police to stand down and he and Walz egged the mob on.
Attempting to “impede” federal law enforcement carries a sentence of up to 8 years.
Every single “protestor” who in any way impedes federal law enforcement from lawfully detaining an illegal alien has committed a felony. Trump should not be backpedalling. He should increase the manpower and charge anybody who impedes ICE and Border Patrol with a federal felony.
Impede , HINDER, obstruct , other..
Blowing whistles is hindering because it agitated and impairs hearing . Perhaps all people needed to hear GUN when shouted. They should duck and cover? Collect the whistles, the banging pans etc. Bullhorns . They aren’t peaceable. Chant yourselves into a hypnotic trance, frenzy.
“Here, on a free speech blog, can we all agree that people exercising their First Amendment rights should not be shot while protesting?”
Absolutely
Can you cite an instance where anyone was shot for protesting ?
Can you cite anyone claiming that anyone should be shot for protesting ?
Charlie Kirk was shot for his free speech. Can you name anyone else?
“Or is it okay if you don’t like the politics of those involved in the protest? Is being censored worse than being deprived of your life? Conservatives are against abuses of government power when it affects fellow travelers in relatively minor ways, but not so much when it affects their ideological opponents in ways far greater. Yes, this demonstrates a strong belief in the Constitution.”
Those of you on the left seem to think that free speech includes rioting, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, assault, obstructing justice, Reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, ….
Please cite where anyone on the right has claimed that excercising your first amendment rights justifies murder ?
Protest all you want. But while protesting Obey laws that the courts long ago found are NOT infringments on your first amendment rights.
You may NOT protest on private property. PERIOD.
You are ALWAYS obligated to obey all other viewpoint neutral laws while protesting.
You can not as an example march down the street protesting without a permit.
You can not disrupt traffic, you can not obstruct law enforcement.
You can not ram people with your car.
You can not assault others.
You can not trow rocks or frozen water bottles at people.
You can not try to blind people with lasers
You can not throw molatov cocktails.
You can not fire fireworks at people.
All of the above and many more are done all the time by left wing “protestors”
You are not protected from the consequences of illegal actions by virtue of protesting.
It is not yet clear to me whether the Pretti shooting was completely justified – though it appears to be.
What is however clear to me is that thousands of Minesotans who went far beyond “protesting” and engaged in some or all of the illegal conduct I listed above are responsible for Pretti’s death.
Those of you on the left seem to think that it is acceptable even justified to violate the law to make the task of Law Enforcement who is enforcing the law 10,000 times more difficult, because you disagree with the law being enforced.
Two people are dead in Minneapolis – that is NOT on ICE – that is on YOU.
If you do not like US immigration law, go to congress and change it.
Senate Democrats are poised to shutdown the govenrment to get their way with respect to ICE.
That is a legitimate means to attempt change.
John Say,
Good comment.
John Say,
“ Those of you on the left seem to think that free speech includes rioting, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, assault, obstructing justice, Reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, ….”
Jan 6 rioters were involved in all of that, and you characterized that as free speech.
“ Two people are dead in Minneapolis – that is NOT on ICE – that is on YOU.”
WRONG.
It’s on ICE. ICE and CBP have been violating constitutional rights and assaulting observers who have done nothing wrong. Laying blame on protesters and observers while ignoring blatant violations of law by ICE is peak hypocrisy. ICE leadership has told agents it’s ok to force their way into homes without a judicial warrant or any at all. ICE violates due process rights when it denies lawyers access to their clients in detention.
The aggressiveness and violent tactics of ICE have been so egregious that protests are guaranteed to occur. Trump WANTS protesters to get violent, so he has an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act.
But thanks to Crazy Noemn and Bovino’s blatant lying, it seems he can no longer use that excuse.
Two people are dead in Minneapolis because poorly trained and poorly vetted agents are let loose and can’t control their own rage. They are not professionals. True professionals are embarrassed and demoralized at the conduct of the recruits and some experienced officers.
John all the tacts you cite protesters are doing were done by Jan 6 protesters and you called it a legitimate execise of free speech.
Alex Pretti was murdered in cold blood just as George Floyd was. Everyone saw it and the lying and gaslighting from those on the right immediately after those incidents only made things worse for themselves. Just as Noem and Bovino blatanlty lied about what transpired with Alex Pretti.
george
Alex Pretti was murdered in cold blood just as George Floyd was.
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liar. as usual.
Floyd is dead because of his heavy drug use and then he swallowed even more when he was arrested.
Officers were not required to carry Narcan back then. They carry it now as do many others. Ambulance was called but CPR was required until arrival IMO.
Floyd had a history of hospitalization for overdose unknown to police. CPR was indicated. Failure to save a life by negligence or other by police is a crime? Paramedics administered Narcan but too late.
George Floyd was not murdered. The knee was not on the neck. The actions of the cop may have contributed to his death. Let ICE perform their duties and there would be few issues. Cooperate with ICE and there would be few issues. This is used by Demoncrats as a means to create chaos and distraction. By the way, where is the outrage for the hundreds of people murdered in the streets of the Demoncrat mayors? And, in the cities cooperating with Trump, has life improved?
“Jan 6 rioters were involved in all of that, and you characterized that as free speech.”
Absolutely incorrect.
First I have NEVER claimed that anything except the protest at J6 was free speech.
Some actions that were NOT protest were Justified.
Entering the Capital was justified – that is not merely free speach it is also petititoning government.
Government is allowed to have time, place and manner restrictions – BUT NOT such to make free speech or petitioning government impossible.
I have said over and over that the CP could have metal detectors, search bags, preclude people from taking bags into the capital, place reasonable limits on the number of people in the capital at one time and the time people could spend in the capital.
But government can not prevent people from exercising first amendment rights – speech, protest, and petitioning government INSIDE the capital while congress is in session.
All claims of Tresspass are complete garbage, and always have been.
Those FEW who broke windows or stole things could have legitimately been prosecuted has the Biden DOJ not so badly over reached as to violate everyone constitutional rights.
When Government applies the ACTUAL Law, and ACTUAL Due process, then and only then do prosecutions and convictions hold up.
Prosecutions for tresspassing, for conspiracy (to excercise constitutional rights) are illegitimate.
Elsewhere I link to a long debate between two lawyers over the pretti shooting. They make EXCELLENT points that are also applicable to J6.
As I have noted – and video proved – the CP lobbed a tear gas grenade into a peaceful crowd at the west tunnel entrance.
That resulted in the crowed fleeing the tear Gas Grenade – basically in a ripple pattern like a stone in a lake.
Some of those fleeing pushed down the bicycle fence baricades to escape the tear gas and were immediately pummeled by the CP.
The use of Tear Gas on a peaceful crowd is not justified. The use of Force on people fleeing the Tear Gas is not justified.
As “Nate the lawyer” argued regarding Pretti, there is a point at which lawless conduct by police officer justifies the use of force against police officers.
That is a complicated analysis. Those people trying to protect Rose Boylan from the pummelling she was receiving while on the ground by a female CP officer committed no crime. Those throwing fire extinguishers and flag poles at CP officers did.
A legitimate protest does not justify violence.
There are very very few people who are claiming that absolutely everything done on J6 was lawful.
Further – while there were NUMEROUS unconstitutional and unlawful acts by the CP that contibuted to the violence at J6,
Most of those actions do NOT justify violence.
I have said over and over that the CP could not constitutionally prevent people from entering the capital.
That does not change the FACT that those who used FORCE to do so committed a crime.
But there were very FEW people who did not enter the capital peacefully.
Had the Biden DOJ done their job properly and not tried to make J6 into anything more than it was – a protest where BOTH sides made mistakes that got out of hand – then the prosecutions of Many of the people who damaged things or actually assaulted CP officers would have stood.
But I understand completely why Trump issued blanket pardon/commutations
First the most violent offenders had already served more time than they would if prosecuted honestly.
Next there was so much malfeasance and lawlessness in the Biden DOJ prosecutions that sorting out the few good cases that had not already been constitutionally poisoned was near impossible.
As an example – if someone was convicted of throwing a fire extinguisher at a CP officer, but DOJ failed to provide the defendant with exculpatory evidence at trial – once a conviction occured, there is no way to retry the case. Trump could have hoped the same courts that botched things in the first place fixed their error and released these people.
Or he could commute their sentences and end this.
Those of you on the left rant about Due process for criminal illegal aliens – there is very little due process needed to send someone HOME,
There are no rights infringed on. But you refused to give J6 defendants due process in a criminal prosecution where their liberty was at issue.
““ Two people are dead in Minneapolis – that is NOT on ICE – that is on YOU.”
WRONG.”
Absolutely.
“It’s on ICE. ICE and CBP have been violating constitutional rights and assaulting observers who have done nothing wrong.”
The right to protest and the right to obstruct are NOT the same.
Observe all you want.
SCOTUS has previously decided that blowing whistles is protected speech – I think that is an error, it is disorienting – it is no different from disorderly conduct – but we are stuck with it because that is what SCOTUS has decided.
But please find me a case ANYWHERE, where SCOTUS (or any other court) has found blocking the street – either with a vehicle or your body is constitutionally protected.
“Laying blame on protesters and observers”
No one is bloaming “protestors and observers”
AGAIN
Protest all you want. But while protesting Obey laws that the courts long ago found are NOT infringements on your first amendment rights.
You may NOT protest on private property. PERIOD.
You are ALWAYS obligated to obey all other viewpoint neutral laws while protesting.
You can not as an example march down the street protesting without a permit.
You can not disrupt traffic,
You can not obstruct law enforcement.
You can not ram people with your car.
You can not assault others.
You can not throw rocks or frozen water bottles at people.
You can not try to blind people with lasers
You can not throw molatov cocktails.
You can not fire fireworks at people.
All of the above and many more are done all the time by left wing “protestors”
You are not protected from the consequences of illegal actions by virtue of protesting.
Just as with J6 – you can not be prosecuted for protesting.
You CAN be prosecuted for many other illegal activities.
“while ignoring blatant violations of law by ICE is peak hypocrisy.”
Please show us a SINGLE violation of the law by ICE.
You keep making these vague claims.
But you do not back them up.
The shooting of good and pretti are tragic.
We do not ant to see anyone die – even people who break the law while “protesting”.
But both shootings were justified.
“ICE leadership has told agents it’s ok to force their way into homes without a judicial warrant or any at all.”
Because it is lawful.
Again – search and seizure law is BY FAR the most extensive law in the US.
The exact requirements to “seize” someone, or to enter a home are established in GREAT DETAIL.
I dis agree with some of the exceptions to the requirements for a warrant, but SCOTUS has not agreed with me, and creates more all the time. Police can forceibly enter your home to perform a “wellness check” – and they can forceibly remove you if in their judgement you might be a danger to yourself of others – even if professionals later decide otherwise.
This is just ONE of the many exceptions.
But the FACT is that ICE nearly always has a warrant.
You keep making this ludicrous judicial warrant argument.
It is a stupid semantic argument – ALL Warrants are SWORN – usually be a LEO – the 4th amendment requires that,
All warrants are subsequently reviewed. Local warrants are reviewed by a Justice of the peace who need not be a lawyer.
ICE warrants are reviewed by an Article II immigration Judge who was appointed by the president anc confirmed by the Senate.
Federal Criminal warrants are reviewed by an Article II Magistrate – who is little more than a clerk for an Article III judge and that magistrate is appointed by the president and confirmed by the sentate.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE
Further the 4th amendment does not mention a Judge of any kind.
ICE warrants have been deemed valid DECADES ago.
You do not get to manufacture new law from thin air just because you do not like Trump.
I will be happy to see SCOTUS require Warrants more frequently before allowing entering a home.
But that is not happening, and even if it did, SCOTUS nor any other court has found that an ICE warrant is inferiour to a Magistrates Warrant.
Immigration Judges are JUDGES – unlike magistrates they actually try cases.
“ICE violates due process rights when it denies lawyers access to their clients in detention.”
This is a bogus claim. This went all the way to SCOTUS. While there is a right to a lawyer in an immigration case,
it is only JUST BARELY – Immigration cases are NOT criminal cases.
Regardless, ICE is obligated to notify you that you can have a lawyer – which they do.
But if there is a Deportation order issued for you – that means there was already a hearing – and either you did not show up,
or you did without a lawyer, or you did with a lawyer and lost. Regardless, because it is not a criminal case, like a traffic ticket – the government is not obligated to provide you with a lawyer.
Amendment VI
“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.”
Deportation orders are issued by immigration judges in Civil Cases – not criminal. NO rights are being infringed on – no proterty is being taken, even your liberty is not being taken – if you are being detained by ICE – you are “free to go” at any time you wish.
You are NOT Free to go back into the US – you are “free to go home”
I would note that we also have article II IRS courts – where your property can be taken and you are not entitled to a government provided lawyer.
Regardless, if there is a deportation order that has been issued – you ALREADY had your “day in court”
Further you have had the right to appeal the deportation order to Article III courts and failed to do so.
You have a single legitimate due process claim left – you can file a writt of Habeus claiming you are illegally detained.
The legality and constitutionality of immigration law was settled long ago – you you can not claim the law is not constitutional.
You lost your right to challenge the facts and the law with respect to your deportation order.
The only Habeus claim you have left is “I am not the Jose Cruz” that this deportation order is for.
I forget what SCOTUS ulltimately decided that sufficient time for a habeus claim is, but I beleive it is only a few days.
So ICE detains you. They provide you with notice that you can hire a lawyer or accept a pro bono lawyer if one is available, but Government is NOT obligated to provide you with a lawyer. and you have a few days – I beleive it is 15 to file a habeus claim, and if you do not – you will be deported.
Lets say you do file a habeus claim – the burden of proof is on YOU. Habeuas is a last hope appeal. Criminal Civil it does not matter – YOU have to prove your claim.
Immigration related Habeus claims are typiclly decided in a few minutes in judges chambers without a formal hearing.
The plantiff must provide evidence that they are NOT the person being deported and it is very rare they can do so.
That WOULD be the time to provide a US passport, a visa, a residency permit or anything else establishing legal residence in the US.
After your habeus claim is dismissed – you will be put on a plane.
That is the due Process the constitution requires for deportation.
This is NOT new to Trump.
It has been this way since the 60’s
“The aggressiveness and violent tactics of ICE have been so egregious that protests are guaranteed to occur.”
I have no idea what you mean.
Regardless if you have some probelms with ICE tactics – go to court.
Given that local law enforcement will send a SWAT TEAM without a warrant if someone calls 9/11 and falsely reports a hostage situation,
You are really clueless.
“Trump WANTS protesters to get violent, so he has an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act.”
Trump has been remarkably resistant to invoking the insurrection act.
There are myriads of people – myself included wondering why he has not done so already.
My guess is that he has not, because he does not want video of APC’s on the streets of Mineapolis.
But YES – the violence of left wing nuts is pushing towards that.
You can thwart that completely by OBEYING THE LAW.
“But thanks to Crazy Noemn and Bovino’s blatant lying, it seems he can no longer use that excuse.”
ROFL.
I do not beleive the insurection act will be invoked.
It is my understanding that Walz has activated the MN NG.
Those of you on the left fixated on illegal orders.
Walz CAN NOT order the MN NG to interfere with ICE.
He has purportedly orded them to protect federlal buildings.
He is likely to order them to get between ICE and protestors.
That is a big WIN for ICE, and a big WIN for Trump.
DHS could remove 2000 ICE officers as Still make the same number of arrests.
Separately Trump and WAlz have been on the phone.
Purportedly there has been a deal – much on the lines of Bondi’s letter, but in more detail.
But maybe the deal is just a rumour.
Regardless THAT is what Trump is going to ultimately get.
“Two people are dead in Minneapolis because poorly trained and poorly vetted agents are let loose and can’t control their own rage.”
Not the idiotic poorly trained …. argument again. Both shooters have been in ICE since Obama.
“They are not professionals. True professionals are embarrassed and demoralized at the conduct of the recruits and some experienced officers.”
Incorrect – they are extremely professional – they have MORE experience than your average LEO.
As I have pointed out before – they make more than 20 times more arrests than the average LEO.
They know what they are doing.
After the dust has settled on each of these shooting – you left wing nuts have LOST the argument.
The shootings were JUSTIFIED. Unfortunate but justified.
All that is needed to avoid them in the future is for left wing nuts to OBEY THEY LAW.
“Alex Pretti was murdered in cold blood”
Nope.
“just as George Floyd was.”
Citing another miscarraige of justice against an LEO is not a very good argument.
George Floyd was a drug addict who died because he ate his own stash and that of his drug dealer after being arrested for trying to pass a pathetic counterfeit $20.
He was high as a kite and out of control from the moment police arrived – they IMMEDIATELY called for EMS who was 3 blocks away and took 20minutes to arrive – the Floyd family had a good wrongful death lawsuit against the city.
Officers tried to put Floyd into the back of their SUV – where he violently trashed it.
At Floyds request they Removed him and restrained him in a way that was perfectly legal – had been done to Floyd before,
was SOP for Minneapolis, and that no one had ever died from.
The officers waited interminably for EMS to arrive, and during that time Floyd ultimately died with 3 times fatla levels of multiple drugs in his system.
LEft wing nuts and the brash in MPD – in many cases the very same idiots that are obstructing ICE right now, conducted a kangaroo court.
Precluded lots of evidence. Presented a garbage autopsie that still was not sufficient for a conviction and got a lunatic left Jury to convict.
And you wonder why NO ONE int he federal governmnt is going to allow Minnepolis to Prosecute/Frame ICE officers ?
Floyd came up in the legal debate I posted earlier – ALL the lawyers present said the Floyd case is precident for NOTHING,
It is not repeatable.
I would note that Before Floyd MPD has 980 officers – and was SHORT STAFFED.,
MPD now has 500 officers.
Anyone any good retired or went elsewhere.
Increasingly MPD is actually the Dreggs – they are the poorly trained incompetent officers who can not get a job anywhere else.
Actions have consequences. Minneapolis is paying for its malfeasance.
Crime shot up. Many many many people are dead who would be alive today but for raliroading ofc. Chauvin.
You got your scalp – and you are paying a steep price for it.
There are many many people arguing that Trump should Yank ICE from Minneapolis and just leave Minnesota to deal with
the 60,000 criminal illegal aliens that ICE has CURRENT deportation orders for.
Leave you left wing nuts to have to live in the cesspools you have created.
John.. the weird part. ICE is already funded for the next few years.
I beleive that is the case.
Until late January ICE has been operating under funds allocated in Biden’s budget.
That is why they do not all have bodycams.
Bodycams for all ICE officers are part of the BBB Budget.
It is my understanding after BBB passed that anything budget related from then on was under “reconcillation” and could pass with a simple majority.
But debt limits and other issues can provide the minority party OTHER oportunities to attempt to revist the budget.
What I have heard is that the DHS and DOD budgets have not passed and they are being held up.
But again since BBB – the budget framework passed the individual budgets are supposed to be fillibuster immune.
Regardless, Democrats have announced they are shutting down the governmetn again.
Good luck with that.
”Those of you on the left seem to think that free speech includes rioting, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, assault, obstructing justice, Reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, ….” This is paramount to their ideology, They have been indoctrinated for decades to believe that any action on their part to confront those who don’t ascribe to their ideology is fair game. There is no similar action to be used against them. We are to be pacifists as they conduct their anarchical activities.
“Protest” is a word conflate with “march” or marching assembly. Protest is a form of speech expressing disagreement but heck if I know what the disagreement is. Borders or immigration or citizenship or authority or just ICE, BORTAC, NG? It’s mindless.
Ano
people exercising their First Amendment rights should not be shot while protesting?
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Wrong.
He picked a fight with a law enforcement officer. He was NOT protesting. He chose to engage the officer instead is waiting on the side lines.
No he didn’t. He was helping the woman being shoved around by the agent. Then the agent alreadyin a fit of rage focused on Pretti. It was Pretti who was being assaulted because he dared to help someone else. The officer was already in a rage and intent on spraying pepper spray in their faces and attack them for filming them. Everyone saw it and everyone knows DHS lied about it.
It’s so bad that even Texas Governor Abbott is suggesitng a “recalibration” on immigration enforcement tactics. A tacit acknowledgement that current tactics are not working and are just angering people more.
All this fuss because a teacher expressed her support of ICE. And now she is suspended and being investigated. I always thought talking about the weather was a relatively safe thing to do. Especially with this latest winter storm blast.
Seriously it sounds like this teacher should demand a worthy settlement and then depart for greener and warmer pastures I suspect if she just moved laterally she would be welcome in Iowa or Indiana. She can join the bumper to bumper traffic leaving Illinois.
Of course moving south would usually be a good route to warmth although not this week.
GEB , not less than a million excluding taxes and legal fees. Legal fees are avoidable and additionally without prejudice. The future cannot be seen.
Meanwhile in Washington, the federal government is hiring more ICE agents.
Sounds good to me. We have 20+million of them to be removed (illegals)
Dusty
There were an estimated 24 million illegals here at the end of Oblamo’s reign of Division, Biden opened the border and let 19 million illegal unvetted immigrants in. That doesn’t account for the getaways. I make it closer to 40 million, that’s more than most States populations. We are living the result of lawlessness and appeasement. Hold fast
A free speech community where you are discouraged from reading what you want to read and told SFU all the time.
Isn’t that the way it is supposed to work? You freely voice your opinions and people that take umbrage rebut. If it’s a hot topic then you may very well be challenged to fisticuffs or worse to defend your position. That’s how it was designed, the founders didn’t envision keyboard warriors 🙄 People were more careful with what they threw out there I am sure.
Do you think that suspending someone is a “rebuttal”?
No I do not, that’s a different matter for a civil rights lawsuit. Public School, did the school have any incidents of punitive actions for supporting anti ICE?
JT talks about a teacher being suspended. Maybe. How about court order violations of the trump administration?
“Judge Schlitz, the chief federal judge in Minnesota, has ordered the head of ICE, Todd Lyons, to [appear] in court Friday and threatened him with contempt for the agency’s repeated violation of court orders,”
Law and order administration? yea right.
ATS – higher courts have repeatedly told lower courts that they do not have jurisdiction.
Or that their claims of alleged lawlessness are bogus.
What is being done about lawless judges who are ignoring the law and constitution and engaged in obstruction of justice ?
The courts have virtually no A priori jurisdiction over the executive branch and law enforcement.
“ The courts have virtually no A priori jurisdiction over the executive branch and law enforcement.”
They do when they violate the law or the constitution.
did you notice that John Say said, “A priori” jurisdiction? Look up the definition on your favorite Google,georgie.
Your response (“They do when they violate the law or the constitution.”) points to the opposite.
Addressing the specifics of YOUR case – SCOTUS has already addressed the required due process for “detainees”.
The Article II immigration courts, have jurisdiction over all matters related to Immigration, EXCEPT that those ordered deported may file a Habeus claim in the jurisdiction where they are detained. A habeaus claim is where the person being detained can go to a federal district court and claim they are illegally detained. In an immigration case the ONLY grounds for such a claim is “I am not the person, identified in the deportaion order” – that is it. Article III courts do NOT get to re-litigate the factual determinations of immigration courts.
US Code Title 8 – US immigration law is presumptively constitutional.
Article III courts Can accept constitutional challenges to US immigration laws – I am not aware of a single constitutional challenge to immigration law that has been filed yet. Regardless federal judges have jurisdiction over cases and controversies. They are NOT free to manufacture their own cases. Can you cite a current constitutional challenge to Tittle 8 ?
Habeus is the ONLY jurisdiction that Article III courts have outside of a challenge to the constitutionality of the law.
Please explain how this federal district judge has jurisdiction ?
The rule of law does NOT permit anyone who wants to go to court and file any claim they wish in-front of a favorable judge to thwart the law.
A court must have jurisdiction, the plantiff must have standing, and the issue in question must not have been long ago decided.
I would further note that Judge Schlitz is trying a “due process” claim.
Due process is the legal process one is entitled to when government is infringing on your rights.
“Detainees” are nearly all “free to go” – they are not actually incarcerated.
They are not “Free to go back into the US”
They are “free to go HOME”
Any ICE/CBP detainee can at any time agree to return home – currently they get paid $2600 if they chose to and they retain the ability to apply to return to the US legally. If they wait until they are force-ably deported, they will not receive $2600, they will never be allowed in the US legally,
and they will be deported INSTANTLY if they are ever found in the US again.
THAT is the due process that they are entitled to.
The extent of immigration due process was determined centuries ago.
My wife was in court for jury duty recently and a woman next to her was distraught, they were awaiting voire dier for a murder trial.
The woman thought she was being called in for the jury on a parking ticket.
You are not entitled to a jury trial for a parking ticket.
You are not entitled to the due process that is required to convict someone of a violent crime, when you are accused of violating immigration law.
If you are not in the US legally and caught within 100miles of the border – you will be deported without a hearing.
If you are further away you are entitled to an Article II deportation hearing – with near certainty you will lose. After a deportation order is issued, you are entitled to a habeus claim – that is essentially an attempt to prove you are NOT the person identified in the deportation order.
While a bit of an over simplification – fundimentally that is the due process that you are entitled to when you have violated a law whose pentality is sending you HOME.
Unless you are NOT actually in the US illegally – there is no right being infringed on.
You are aware that this judge was just overruled ?
Cancel culture has an enemy. The national policy to remove those illegally present in the nation. The teacher’s words speak to ICE: GO ICE! The cancel attempt is silly, because it misses the real message of the government, made directly to those illegally present: GO! ICE! This is more silly, because the real cancel waiting in the wings is federal funding for the West Chicago School District.
The “left” in our country wants everyone to see and believe as they do, yet they can’t see their nose even when it’s in front of them. They need to quit trying to change the world as they see it.
Viva Free Speech BUT when one is in the middle of a woke mob (and yes the Teachers Unions are woke mobs!) bent on vengeance against anyone (including its own wokeratti) it may be best to show support anonymously – as can be done here! Lest the mob identify you and extract its vengeance while identifying itself as moronic hypocrites – Peace, Love, and Joy as long as you agree with us OR the mob will lynch you. Only in the Bizzaro World of Lefties!!!
“go Ice” sounded to me like what the Guv and Mydr have been saying–except for the lackk of. profanity. It is so exhausting trying to keep up.
NO! Absolutely NOT! Stand for what you believe in and when they do their stupid stuff like suspension or firing, sue them into oblivion…
Can only conservatives stand up for what they believe in?
This education facility should be closed down it is of no value to anyone one attending
The school district in question is clearly violating the First Amendment. Their actions reflect the desperation of those who cannot tolerate competition in the marketplace of ideas. They seem to believe that they alone have the right to free speech: any contradictions are unacceptable. The relative lack of conservative educators is both a result of and a cause of this narrow-minded approach, which silences those who oppose liberal values and opinions. For several decades these folks have been given free rein to indoctrinate students with values and opinions that are diametrically opposed to our Constitution. Our opportunity to right this ship is narrowing, as we watch our country morph into something no longer recognizable as America.
Do people have a right to protest ICE?
Please give your definition of protest.
Thank you Suze, You are so right. for too long now our educational has taught our children that socialism is good and led them to believe it is good for America when in reality it is destroying America.
So the onus of this is a teacher said “Go ICE” on social media and because she identified as a teacher the public reacted negatively because she expressed support for ICE. Why would that be a surprise?
Right now “ICE” is seen as toxic as Neo-Nazism. Yeah, it’s that bad. While the teacher had every right to express her view on social media and it is protected speech it does not protect her from the consequence of exercising it. People can call for her firing, suspension, ouster, etc. all they want. She can be investigated as well. But firing her for it is absolutely going too far and I will agree with Professor Turley on this point. Because the same happened when Charlie Kirk was killed and some teachers celebrated or expressed their approval of Kirk’s death many on the right demanded said professors or teachers be fired. Some did and then got reinstated after a short court battle. Turley barely covered these cases, but he still, in passing, opposed calls to fire these teachers and professors.
Again, this teacher had every right to express her support for ICE. But, it also exposed herself to the ire and anger of the public and clearly the 1st amendment does not protect anyone from the consequences of expressing an unpopular view.
Oh oh crazy george.
“So the onus of this is a teacher said “Go ICE” on social media and because she identified as a teacher the public reacted negatively because she expressed support for ICE. Why would that be a surprise?”
Nope.
X She could have posted this on the wall of her classroom and not been an issue.
Please pay the slightest attention to First amendment SCOTUS rulings.
FIRE has represented both those on the right and those on the left over issues like this.
She could be fired if she was a private school teacher, she also could be promoted if she was a private school teacher.
But Government can not sanction anyone with respect to their free speech, and even in the extremely rare instance that it can – it MUST do so in a viewpoint neutral manner.
For what YOU claim to be correct Chicago would have to fire ever teacher that posted in any way about ICE or Immigration on Social media if there was the slightest indication that they were a teacher.
What you can not do is speak on a political issue in a way that suggests it is the official position of the public institution, if you are not a person authorized to do so.
It is also generally unwise for those in government to speak politically on official social media accounts – but it occurs anyway.
John Say,
“X She could have posted this on the wall of her classroom and not been an issue.”
No, she couldn’t have posted this on the classroom wall. If teachers are prohibited from putting statements like “All are welcome” inside their classrooms — as many anti-Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) opponents do — then posting a slogan such as “GO ICE” would be equally political, especially given the current highly polarized climate around immigration enforcement.
Nobody is suggesting that the teacher cannot express her support for ICE on her personal social media accounts, like Facebook. The problem arose because she exposed herself to consequences outside of her profession and compromised the trust her students, parents, and colleagues place in her as an educator.
The school district is free to conduct a thorough investigation into her social media activity. However, terminating her employment solely based on her expressed support for ICE — which falls under protected speech — should not be considered an acceptable action. As you pointed out, if the statement had been posted on the school’s official Facebook page, the context and implications might be different.
While members of the community and colleagues may call for her dismissal or punishment, the school’s authority is limited to responding within legal and ethical boundaries. They might attempt to placate public outrage by launching an investigation and possibly citing her views as grounds for termination, but her support for ICE is a form of protected speech. Similar issues have arisen in cases where educators publicly expressed opinions about Charlie Kirk’s death, prompting demands for their firing. Many schools initially complied, only to be later forced by courts to reinstate them because their dismissals violated First Amendment rights, highlighting the importance of safeguarding free expression even in contentious situations.
“No, she couldn’t have posted this on the classroom wall. If teachers are prohibited from putting statements like “All are welcome” inside their classrooms”
They are NOT.
A distinction is made between space for personal expression in a workplace and expression that is represented as part of the job.
She can not pepper hr classroom with “All are welcome” posters or LGBTQ+ signs.
“Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion”
DEI is quite different – though again within th limited domain of personal expression in the workplace she is free to put up something supporting DIE – just as she can put up something supporting the NAZIs – though I would not recomend it.
What she can not do is TEACH it.
Again there is alot of complexity created – by involving govenrment where it does not beleong such as education.
There are also issues as to what is a teachers personal space in a classroom.
Most Teachers are assigned a classroom that they do not share. Generally their DESK and some SMALL part of the walls of their classrom can contain personal expression. A science teacher can put up Pictures of Tahiti in a corner, or a Chicago cubs jersey, or a LGBTQ+ flag, or a lets go brandon poster.
But these can not extend into the curriculum.
DEI is racist and teachers can not teach racism.
A teacher can teach adherance to the law – and while that should be a focus in a civics class,
Outside the left no one is going to object to teaching people to be law abiding in any course – so long as the rest of the course is taught.
“a slogan such as “GO ICE” would be equally political”
Nope – one is explicityly racist, the other is not. Regardless, both are allowed inside the personal portion of ones workspacem,
while “Go ICE” – or mnore accurately abiding by and enforcing the law is REQUIRED teaching in some subjects and acceptable in most.
While teaching racism is not acceptable at all.
“especially given the current highly polarized climate around immigration enforcement.”
Completely irrelevant – and a stupid argument. Your essentially claiming that anything that one side can make controversial can not exist in a school. Didn;t the scopes monkey trial settle that ?
Should we refuse to teach students to abide by the law – because left wing nut idiots do not like US immigration law ?
Some people think that the earth is flat. CDoes that preclude teaching astronomy or geography ?
“Nobody is suggesting that the teacher cannot express her support for ICE on her personal social media accounts, like Facebook.”
But those of you on the left do all the time.
Even with respect to allowable consequences – as opposed to govenrment firing this teacher.
YOu Fully support ostracizing this teacher, making her life miserable – over disagreement on a single issue.
You have the absolute RIGHT to do so,
But you harm yourself and others when you cut those who you disagree with out of your life.
“The problem arose because she exposed herself to consequences outside of her profession and compromised the trust her students, parents, and colleagues place in her as an educator.”
Exactly my point – Those of you on the left will take absolutely any political disagreement and drive anyone who does not share your view away. Again – so long as we are outside of govenrment you have the RIGHT to do so.
But it does not change the fact that YOU expose yourself as VILE creatures.
If you can not tolerate the views of people you disagree with – you are the one who should have to live ostracized and alone.
“The school district is free to conduct a thorough investigation into her social media activity.”
No they are not. You rant about ICE and the 4th amendment and nonsense about warrants that you are clearly clueless,
And here you are telling us that without probable cause Government can start investigating a teacher.
NO THEY CAN NOT.
“However, terminating her employment solely based on her expressed support for ICE — which falls under protected speech — should not be considered an acceptable action.”
Lots of weasle words to say something simple – “Government can not act for protected speech.”
” As you pointed out, if the statement had been posted on the school’s official Facebook page, the context and implications might be different.” Yes, Posting Go ICE as an official ICE communication is fine. Posting “F#$K ICE” on the same forum is not.
“Posting “Go Trump” would violate the hatch Act. While posting support for the orders of the president would not.
“While members of the community and colleagues may call for her dismissal or punishment,”
Yup, and the very fact that you are is evidence of how vile a people you are.
It is not the Right demanding that people disassociate with relatives who hold different political values.
I am not sure that I could have a friendship with you.
I nearly got into Annapolis and I take the honor code seriously “I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
And you lie constantly and never correct yourself, and you repeat the same lies over and over long after they have been proven beyond any doubt false.
But I have myriads of friends to my right and left and all over. I enjoy a good discussion with someone who holds different views – partixularly if they can intelligently express their positions.
I am very disappointed by those like you – here and elsewhere on the left – you are unable to intelligently defend your own positions.
I could do a better job of defending your positions than you do despite the fact that you are wrong.
Except for the fact that my mind chokes on blatant contradictions.
“the school’s authority is limited to responding within legal and ethical boundaries.”
In this case the constitution. Which if it were not a government school or a school receiving government funds would be irrelevant.
“They might attempt to placate public outrage by launching an investigation”
Nope, that pesky constitution again – the 4th amendment which CLEARLY you do not understand.
John Say, that’s a lot of contradictions and double standards.
“ A science teacher can put up Pictures of Tahiti in a corner, or a Chicago cubs jersey, or a LGBTQ+ flag, or a lets go brandon poster.
But these can not extend into the curriculum.
DEI is racist and teachers can not teach racism.”
DEI is not racism. It never was. There is a distinction between “teaching racism,” which is not what DEI is, and “teaching ABOUT racism,” which is allowed. Slavery discussed in history class often involves talking about racism, which IS allowed. But Republicans, who usually find offense at the idea that it was conservatives in the past who promoted racism and encouraged “separate but equal” views, think they are being blamed personally. They use that as an excuse to avoid learning about what racism is.
“ Nobody is suggesting that the teacher cannot express her support for ICE on her personal social media accounts, like Facebook.”
But those of you on the left do all the time.”
No, they don’t. Why do you resort to lying, John? Nobody on the left is saying she can’t.
“ YOu Fully support ostracizing this teacher, making her life miserable – over disagreement on a single issue.
You have the absolute RIGHT to do so,
But you harm yourself and others when you cut those who you disagree with out of your life.”
John, she brought it upon herself the moment she chose to post. It’s her fault, and the consequence is that people started criticizing her.
I never said I support ostracizing her. Putting words in my mouth does not help your argument. Pointing out that she’s facing consequences for what she chose to express is fair game. It’s how free speech functions in this society. Harm ourselves? Hardly. Cut? What nonsense are you babbling about?
“ They might attempt to placate public outrage by launching an investigation.”
Nope, that pesky constitution again – the 4th amendment which CLEARLY you do not understand.”
Clearly, you don’t. The constitution does not preclude any investigation. What it does not allow is punishment such as firing or suspension. An investigation can be conducted to ascertain if a policy was violated.
“ I am very disappointed by those like you – here and elsewhere on the left – you are unable to intelligently defend your own positions.
I could do a better job of defending your positions than you do despite the fact that you are wrong.
Except for the fact that my mind chokes on blatant contradictions.”
Wow, talk about hypocrisy. John, you can barely defend your positions. You often contradict yourself within a paragraph of your long posts. Your “arguments” are devoid of any evidence or citations to support them, and you frequently make claims that you cannot defend without citing sources. Obviously, you have quite a bit of animosity toward anything regarding the left, almost to the point of zealotry. Libertarians tend to be that way. I don’t fault you for that. It’s what you are.
Your arguments end up as long-running rants that go off on tangents. Perhaps you should focus on making shorter, to-the-point posts.
John Say,
“ Yes, Posting Go ICE as an official ICE communication is fine.”
No, it is not fine. Positng “Go ICE as an official communication by a teacher is not. You’re now conflating a school communication and a teacher’s.
The left/libs are so peaceful. Right george
The Jackson County Sheriff’s Department in West Virginia announced Sunday evening that a librarian was under arrest after she posted videos seeking to recruit assassins targeting President Donald Trump.
Morgan L. Morrow of Ripley, West Virginia, was charged with one count of making a terroristic threat, the agency posted on its Facebook page. The arrest was announced at 9:31 p.m. Eastern time, hours after Libs of TikTok posted the videos on X earlier Sunday evening.
No indication here whether or not the unnamed teacher actually did identify as a teacher on Facebook. Maybe the teacher did and maybe the teacher didn’t. It is just as possible Facebook and other commonly used social media of every suspected conservative teacher is being actively monitored by the local Bolsheviks of the teacher’s union for anything that could be used against them, whether or not they identify on those sites as a teacher.
Do we know that the teacher is a she? Physical education teacher posting Go Ice seems more like a he.
“Right now “ICE” is seen as toxic as Neo-Nazism.”
Not by most people.
There is difference between concern over the recent shooting, and stupid left wing nuts pretending that enforcing immigration law is somehow
authoritarian.
Frankly all it does is expose how much of a moron those of you on the left are.
While I think Schumer is stupid threatening a shutdown to “defund ICE” – that is atleast a response that has the remotest possibility of accomplishing something.
I(f you have a problem with illegration law and its enforcement – take that up with Congress.
” Yeah, it’s that bad.”
Only in your head.
Rassmussen TODAY has Trump at 47% That is his highest approval since October.
Recent CNN polling finds that in every one of the top 5 concerns of Voters Republicans are ahead of Democrats.
On immigration they are +18
In a Harvard Harris poll a few days ago – 80% of people want ALL criminal illegal immigrants deported.
56% want ALL illegal immigrants deported – there are atleast 35M illegal immigrants int he US right now.
We could continue deportations at the current rate for a decade and still barely deport half of them.
It is absolutely true that independents are AT THE MOMENT upset that someone has died.
It is always a tragedy when someone dies.
As is common – people want conflicting things – they WANT all criminal illegals deported,
and the WANT that does with no violence or rioting.
The violence and rioting is on YOU.
While your LIES regarding ICE have for the moment gained SOME traction.
I would remind you how well all your other lie have worked in the long run.
the Pretti shooting has resulted in some negotiation.
Purportedly Walz called the WH and talked to Trump. Levitt suggested there was an agreement along similar but more detailed lines to Bondi’s letter – that MN would give ICE access to jails and prison, that it would notify ICE of all arrests of illegals, that it would share current address information for illegals with outstanding deportation orders.
Frankly I will beleive Walz has agreed to someone when I see it.
But Large numbers of republicans have been begging Trump to invoke the insurrection act.
That is an enormous amount of leverage with Walz.
So we will see.
Separately Bovino is headed elsewhere and Homan who reports directly to Trump is headed to MN.
Homan is NOT officially part of DHS/ICE he is the WH Border Czar.
There was purportedly a disagreement between Homan and DHS/Noem/Bovino regarding tactics.
Regardless, there is likely a change in tactics coming.
But if you think the deportation of Criminal illegals is at an end you are nuts.
And if you think that deporting criminal illegals is unpopular – you are nuts beyond beleif.
” While the teacher had every right to express her view on social media and it is protected speech it does not protect her from the consequence of exercising it. People can call for her firing, suspension, ouster, etc. all they want.”
Correct.
“She can be investigated as well.”
Not by government.
” But firing her for it is absolutely going too far and I will agree with Professor Turley on this point.”
It is unconstitutional for government to fire a non-policy making employee for protected speech outside of work.
In SOME instances it is illegal to fire them for the same speech inside of work.
Government employees generally have LIMITED rights to free expression with respect to their workplace.
But they may not go beyond expression in their personal space to actual political action in the work place.
“Because the same happened when Charlie Kirk was killed and some teachers celebrated or expressed their approval of Kirk’s death many on the right demanded said professors or teachers be fired. Some did and then got reinstated after a short court battle. Turley barely covered these cases, but he still, in passing, opposed calls to fire these teachers and professors.”
Turley fairly extensively covered those cases. But you as always try to make the complex simple.
Of course most of the complexity is because there is no legitimate role for govenrment in Education.
Regardless, the free speech protections of a public school teacher, a public college proffessor, a college professor at a private college that receives govenrment funds, a private school teacher and en employee of a private business are EACH different.
Again complexity created by dragging government where it does not belong.
Regardless, you can not fire a government employee for speech outside the workplace that does not purport to represent the part of government they are employed by.
Still there is a giant gulf between “Go ICE” and “I am glad Kirk is dead”
people who celebrate the death of those they disagree with are vile.
Few if any are celebrating the death of Good or Pretti.
They are tragedies. Neither should have died.
Nearly everyone WANTS a world where the law can be enforced without anyone dying.
But as I keep trying to get through to numbutzs like you
ALL GOVERNMENT IS FORCE.
Ultimately ALL LAW IS ENFORCED BY MEN WITH GUNS.
As Mao said
“power grows out of the barrel of a gun”
If you are unwilling to have some people DIE in the enforcement of a law – do NOT pass that law.
This is AGAIN why Government MUST be limited.
Because Government is FORCE.
I do find it odd that those of you on th left Still seem tho think that Killing PRetti and Good is unaccepable,
but killing Babbet and Boylan was.
While there are differences in the law regarding the use of force – the Babbet shooting and the Boylan murder were CLEARLY unjustified.
It is still true that all 4 were killed for Challenging Government conduct they did not like.
“Again, this teacher had every right to express her support for ICE. But, it also exposed herself to the ire and anger of the public and clearly the 1st amendment does not protect anyone from the consequences of expressing an unpopular view.”
Depends on the consequences.
You keep missing that.
I doubt this teacher is likely to remain in the Chicago schools.
There will likely be some settlement and she will take money and leave.
If she remains she will be ostracised.
If she leaves – there are plenty of places in this country that will WELCOME her – even celebrate her as a hero.
Yes, Speech can have consequences.
Often you learn who the sane people are.
“illegration law” – a Freudian slip?
John Say,
“ While your LIES regarding ICE have for the moment gained SOME traction.”
Lies? John it turns out DHS has indeed been lying. So much to the point even MAGA is splitting on the truthfulness of Noem and Bovine’s claims. Even Fox News is not buying their blatant lies. Can you say you agree with Noem’s claim Pretti brandished his gun or attacked the agent? I’m sure you have seen the video like everyone has. What about Stephen Miller’s claim that Pretti was planning an assasination? Kash Patel the FBI director saying you cannot bring a gun to a protest when plenty of evidence says it is perfectly legal. Even the NRA chimed in and excoriated the FBI director for making a false claim.
“ the Pretti shooting has resulted in some negotiation.“
Right, because Bovino and Noem lied about the incident to the nation and everyone saw it. They KNOW what happened was not only wrong, but illegal and they want to get rid of it as best they can.
“ Purportedly Walz called the WH and talked to Trump. Levitt suggested there was an agreement along similar but more detailed lines to Bondi’s letter – that MN would give ICE access to jails and prison, that it would notify ICE of all arrests of illegals, that it would share current address information for illegals with outstanding deportation orders.“
Purportedly? LOL. The White House called Walz after they realized they are facing serious backlash and Trump is wanting to keep any blame landing on him.
Pam Bondi ‘offered’ a MN a reduction in ICE enforcement for access to voter rollls and information on alleged illlegals. Sounds like a ranson to me.
“ Separately Bovino is headed elsewhere and Homan who reports directly to Trump is headed to MN.
Homan is NOT officially part of DHS/ICE he is the WH Border Czar.
There was purportedly a disagreement between Homan and DHS/Noem/Bovino regarding tactics.
Regardless, there is likely a change in tactics coming.“
Bovino has been demoted because he openly lied to the public and the Trump administration could not defend it. Noem is facing the same fate. She’s being sidelined because she too lied to americans. I thought you were against government lying to you. Here we are two Trump administration officials openly lying to your face and you just can’t admit it.
“ I do find it odd that those of you on th left Still seem tho think that Killing PRetti and Good is unaccepable,
but killing Babbet and Boylan was.
While there are differences in the law regarding the use of force – the Babbet shooting and the Boylan murder were CLEARLY unjustified.
It is still true that all 4 were killed for Challenging Government conduct they did not like.”
Odd? Because those on the left point out the hypocrisy of those on the right? Right now there are those on the right justifying the kiling of Good and Pretti because they refused to obey orders form Law enforcemtent. But Babbit also refused to obey orders from law enforcement. Somehow for those on the right, Babbitt’s shooting was unujustied. If her killing was unjustified so was Pretti’s and Good’s. But can’t accept that because they don’t want to admit Babbitt’s shooting was also justified. THAT is what the left keeps pointing out. You’re conflating that as some sort of hypocrisy to justify blaming the left.
“ But if you think the deportation of Criminal illegals is at an end you are nuts.
And if you think that deporting criminal illegals is unpopular – you are nuts beyond beleif.“
Nope. nobody is saying, even those on the left, that deporting criminal illegals, real criminal illegals is at an end. What IS unpopular is the random and abusive apprehensions of those who are even here legally AND following the rules. The constitutional violations and lawless tactics is what is wrong.
DHS is hiring people who can barely read and write, pass a physical, and have lied on their applications. DHS senior officers are sounding off on the new recruits and saying how stupid these people they are hiring are. THAT is just the beginning of problem for DHs and Trump. Lying to the public and releasing undertrained and poorly educated agents with guns and ending up killing two peoplte who were doing nothing wrong.
This is why the Trump administration and MAGA are growing concerned about the out of control tactics and lawlesness is affecting their immigration policy negatively. It explains a lot. If you don’t believe me,
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/kristi-noem-ice-applicants-barely-read-write-b2877758.html
It’s not “me” that is causing these protests and violent reactions to ICE. It’s them.
Professor Turley’s comments would have been coals to Newcastle in those cases; the injustice (which it was) was trumpeted across the mainstream media. There will be crickets in most places about this one.
Also, the article does mention the teacher with the pronoun “he,” though given Professor Turley’s predilection for typos, that might not be reliable.
I will attempt to engage in wokespeak.
No free speech for fascists and this teacher was obviously one.
Free speech is a bourgeois white supremacist concept anyway.
How did I do s@@tlibs?
“. . . does not protect anyone from the consequences . . .”
Since when is the Left in favor of consequences for one’s choices?
Leftwing fascists are the least tolerant people in the world. They are a disgusting mob.
Question please. Have you ever met or engaged with “leftwing fascists”, except on this blog or imagination?
Absolutely. All the time. While not all that large in numbers – they are all over the place.
BTW ALL Fascists are left wing – by definition.
Fascism according to its founder Musolini
Everything in the government
nothing outside the government
nothing against the govenrment.
Sounds like virtually every left wing nut ever – of course ONLY when THEY control government.
Come to Seattle in the downtown area. Theses loons are everywhere.
No wonder Starbucks left the Pikes place market.
We see then daily in MN.
West Chicago is not part of Chicago; their teachers are not part of the Chicago Teacher’s Union.
Go ICE!
Anarchist Leftists run away at questions like yours and rational people get sucked into arguing with them.
No! They don’t complain about the gunned-down innocents in metros controlled by their cronies. You’re, (we’re) not supposed to notice those irreconcilable hypocrisies. They are experts at dragging reasonable people into unending, useless arguments, even as we forget their hypocrisy. We hope to beat them back into some awareness of their futile arguments.
They care for no one. They love to argue and they are practically wizards at directing the focus away from their devilish schemes.