In my book on our age of rage I explore how rage is addictive and contagious. What people do not want to admit in places like Minneapolis is that they like it, they need it. Politicians know that. Even after Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones was shown to have threatened to kill his political opponents and their children, other Democratic leaders continued to support him and he was elected to the highest law enforcement position in the state. Now, Ohio Democratic Attorney General candidate Elliot Forhan appears to be attempting to ride the same rage wave in a video in which he says, “…I am going to kill Donald Trump.”
A video is making rounds on X in which Forhan says, “I am going to obtain conviction, rendered by a jury of his peers, at a standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt, based on evidence, presented at trial, conducted in accordance with due process, resulting in a sentence, duly executed, of capital punishment.”
Forhan continued, “That is what I mean when I say I am going to kill Donald Trump.”
The video shows the thrill of saying (or hearing others declare) that you are going to kill your political enemies. After the thrill-kill statement, Forhan then adds the legal rationale, like a fast-talking commercial warning of product risks. He knows, as with those warnings, people will tune out the perfunctory verbiage. Indeed, like a commercial, he immediately returns to the marketing pitch in saying, “I am going to kill Donald Trump.”
This is protected speech under the First Amendment, but it is also reprehensible rhetoric at a time of increasing social unrest. Forhan is trafficking in rage in the hope that it will secure him a political office.
This pledge to hunt a single individual has worked for other Democratic Attorney General candidates like Letitia James.
Other prosecutors are feeding the rage addiction with their own overwrought and dubious pledges. Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner has been holding chest-thumping press conferences promising to arrest federal agents, which is highly unlikely given federal immunity protections.
Krasner was back, thrilling the MS Now crowd with a vow to “hunt” down federal immigration agents if they move into the city. He repeated the Democratic mantra that these law enforcement officers are Nazis and Gestapo.
“This is a small bunch of wannabe Nazis. That’s what they are. In a country of 350 million, we outnumber them. If we have to hunt you down the way they hunted down Nazis for decades, we will find your identities. We will find you. We will achieve justice.”
This reckless rhetoric from Krasner (who was in my class at the University of Chicago) is occurring as protesters in cities like Minneapolis have been shown carrying signs reading “Kill Nazis.”
From pledges to kill Trump to hunting down federal enforcement officers, Democratic leaders are attempting to ride the rage wave to midterm victories. It is a call not for democracy but mobocracy. They will find that it will be a short-lived ride. Today’s revolutionaries often turn into tomorrow’s reactionaries.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the author of the forthcoming “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution,” which will be released on Feb. 3 as part of the celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
If ICE was “their to enforce a democratically passed constitutional law”, then can you please provide a link to that specific law?
And Obongo threatened America, its Constitution, and its Bill of Rights, stating, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,” which, of course, would require multiple Article 5 amendments.
Then, he “fundamentally transformed the United States of America” into increased unconstitutional communism anyway, Obongocare being irrefutably and immutably unconstitutional per Article 1, Section 8.
. Obongo has been transformed into, The Buzzard. Actually it’s a downgrade from The Vulture.
Some other examples:
Trump last year mused about the prospect of Liz Cheney being fired upon.
He once suggested “Second Amendment people” might be able to prevent Hillary Clinton from being able to pick judges.
In 2020, he reposted a video of a supporter saying, “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.”
While he was out of office, he reposted a supporter who warned of 80 million people rising up to “physically fight” for Trump.
During the 2020 campaign, he made light of a dangerous scene in which his supporters surrounded a Biden campaign bus on the highway. “I LOVE TEXAS!” Trump posted.
In 2018, he publicly praised then-Montana Rep. Greg Gianforte after the GOP congressman assaulted a reporter, saying, “any guy who can do a body slam … he’s my guy.”
He has repeatedly, suggestively alluded to the prospect of his own supporters rising up in justified violence, including over his indictments and his baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. His comments often mention the prospect of riots. At the same time, he’s also said he doesn’t support violence and that he hopes his supporters stay peaceful.
And, of course, Trump has pardoned hundreds of people who engaged in political violence on his behalf on January 6, including those who assaulted police.
^this is gigi or her clone, for sure.
Wait. Goombah Hillary is finally under investigation, isn’t she?
Many prominent Republicans made similarly flippant comments. Donald Trump Jr. at one point approvingly retweeted a picture of a hammer atop a pair of underwear with the message, “Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready.” (Pelosi was attacked in his home in the middle of the night.)
The right likes to see violence done to the left.
They laugh and joke about it whenever it happens.
If a joke is a threat, all the late nights must be removed forwith.
The late nights don’t command a military.
When many a truth is said in jest, it matters who says it exactly.
That is the difference.
Anger is catching just as a comedian can make people laugh or cry. The evil pushing hate porn is real and those who can’t see it are ignoring reality. To be ignorant is to actively ignore the good, the true, and the beautiful. Ignorance is an evil for what it chooses to ignore.
And to the extent Nazi comparisons are beyond the pale, that’s also a standard Trump hasn’t abided. In 2017, he compared the US intelligence community’s actions to “Nazi Germany.” In May 2024, he said the Democrats were running a “Gestapo administration” – a reference to the Nazi secret police.
The larger point, though, is that Trump’s own rhetoric has been remarkably violent. He and his MAGA allies have often been rather callous and cavalier about political violence when it wasn’t their side targeted.
Perhaps the most remarkable example in recent years was the Paul Pelosi attack, which became a punchline for many, including Trump.
What about all of Trump’s statements throughout his political life. It is very sad that we have a President who is a sexual predator, con man criminal and chronic liar!
^ Trump Derangement Syndrome ^
^ Not an argument ^
^ Arguing with a deranged person is futile ^
Wait. Males pursue females? Say it ain’t so, Hillary!
Historical times that America is at the crossroads facing down barbarians at the gates intent to topple our constitutional republic.
1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech….
Although the Supreme Court evidently has not, you may have heard of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
If you pay close attention, the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, which actually means that Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.
American fundamental law was written clearly, and it is readily understandable to the vast majority of citizens, with the sole exception of the Supreme Court.
People must adapt to freedom.
Freedom does not adapt to people.
Dictatorship does.
Threatening to kill the President of the United States whether with a qualification of jurisdiction prudence or with a gun is not free speech.
Jurisprudence
🎱 is now the Constitution, the fundamental law of the United States of America, and 🎱 says, “I’ll state the law after I read every instance of speech.” Thanks so much, 🎱.
Especially after 2 attempted assassinations. He’s signaling the wolves.
What stands between humans and wolves is law.
So much when it come to ICE….
BREAKING: President Trump’s approval rating among Hispanics now at +9, per Rasmussen.
OOPS they goofed.
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Wrong @LeadingReport
Hispanic Trump Approval = 54%-45% or +9 per @Rasmussen_Poll
@Dustoff
I wrote previously about visiting my liberal hometown for Christmas and seeing ‘RESIST’ signs all over the wealthy east side, and then driving as an experiment over to little Mexico to see if it was citywide – not a single sign in little Mexico. Not a one. These people are ridiculous, and if there is ‘white privilege’, they are quite literally the only people on earth that suffer from it, and boy do they miss the ‘privilege’ part.
WHAT A JOKE
A significant percentage of Latinos and Hispanics are present in the United States without lawful status because (A) they lack a valid original statutory or documentary basis for immigration, and (B) many asserted asylum claims lack merit, as evidenced by regular remittances to—and voluntary travel back to—their countries of origin without reported incident.
The bottom line is simple. Democratic leaders support protecting convicted criminal illegals from deportation. This should tell honest citizens everywhere something. if not, we’re screwed.
Do those on the left who advocate violence to achieve their political goals believe that their targets will not resist and meet violence with violence?
I thought threatening to kill someone in public was a punishable offense?
Agree, Danley. It is another complex area of First Amendment jurisprudence, here, distinguishing what the law calls “true threats” from “political hyperbole,” yet more complex now in The Age of Social Media. This is informative:
https://lawlibrary.blogs.pace.edu/2016/11/10/true-threats-against-the-president-elect-via-social-media/
Alleged threats via social media: Elonis v. United States, https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/575/723/
(All – For the record, the above is provided solely as information from legal resources, not my personal opinion.)
You might review the letter and spirit of the 1st Amendment.
You might find that it intends and says:
“Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech….”
And that is all.
He added the disclaimer that he would get a capital conviction first, just like those commie streamers who add “… in a video game.” after each time they threaten to kill someone. But reading your comment reminded of the old Clue movie:
Mrs. White: He didn’t seem to like me very much. He had threatened to kill me in public.
Miss Scarlet: Why would he want to kill you in public?
Wadsworth: I think she meant he threatened, in public, to kill her.
Johnathon’s topic reads like more offerings from the Lawrence Tribe Fan Club. There will always be a quest to meet rage speech with better speech. I’ve always liked the notion that the first one to raise their fist is the first one who has run out of ideas. That informs reaction to over the top. That idea came from watching David Niven at the podium at the Academy awards. A streaker ran across the stage. David looked out at the audience and said “Nice of him to show us his shortcomings”. That’s what unflappable looks like.
Ohio Democratic Attorney General candidate Elliot Forhan is suffering from Lizzie Borden Syndrome (El B.S.).
The simple fact these vile hate mongers are allowed to continue to run for office even after threats of murder to a sitting president should tell you they want division so to continue to divide and conquer America!
It should be very clear by now America has fallen and is the NT harlot hidden within the OT harlot in the language the bible is the most printed in for these last days!:
JER(USA)LEM
https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/
“Ohio Democratic Attorney General candidate Elliot Forhan is suffering from Lizzie Borden Syndrome (El B.S.).”
I dunno if it was forehand or backhand, but it’s clear he;s been giving something at least 40 whacks…
Wow, talk about irony. Professor Turley has been rage-baiting his readers for a few days now, and today is no different.
The professor doesn’t seem to understand, or maybe he’s just being deliberately obtuse for his audience. Putting out of context quotes and cherry-picking lines from a statement to emphasize the rage “addiction” of the left to sell books is hilarious.
i’m sure Turley is aware, perhaps just being in obligatory denial per his Fox News contract that the rage coming from the left is deliberately incited by Trump and his immigration crackdown run by what is turning out to be a bunch of undertrained and some barely literate law enforcement agents who have been described by some senior DHS whistleblowers as a bunch of idiots hired off the street or racists lowlifes looking for the thrill of catching illegals.
It’s already turning into a disaster for Trump and his DHS. After trying in vain to control the narrative by blatantly lying to the public and ignoring the fact that the same under-trained and poorly vetted ICE and CBP recruits have been on a constitutional violation spree, obviously because they are hiring idiots, police department rejects, and racists. DHS had to lower its standards to meet its hiring quotas, and it is not ensuring that these new hires meet any high standards, legal knowledge, or even physical fitness requirements.
For example, yesterday, some of these idiots and morons at ICE decided to force their way into the Ecuadorian consulate in Minneapolis—no warrant, no idea where they were, and looking to apprehend illegals in the building. After being forced out the door by Ecuadorian officials, one ICE moron proceeded to threaten to “grab” one if they didn’t comply. Never mind that they were on sovereign territory and were definitely trespassing onto a foreign government’s property. Poor training and basic stupidty seem to be the norm for ICE and CBP recruiting.
george
Putting out of context quotes and cherry-picking lines from a statement to emphasize the rage “addiction” of the left to sell books is hilarious.
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Stay away from mirrors george.
Did you really ever have any relationship to a true “dustoff,” or are you merely attempting to steal valor like the old mess hall pooch who sniffs around here occasionally? You may be aware that the term is very serious to some people and might even be a PTSD trigger.
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“Dustoff” is a term, originating as a radio call sign in the Vietnam War,
used for U.S. Army medical evacuation (medevac) helicopter missions, symbolizing urgent, often perilous, rescues of wounded soldiers. It describes the immense dust clouds kicked up by rotor blades during landings.
X
57th medical attachment.
Capt Kelly was the one who picked out call sign.
I was one of the flight medics. (SGT)
Anything else Ano?
What were your MOS, Awards, Campaigns, and Theater?
Look up Tan-Son-Nhut.
And you were a what?
What year and did you ever get tacos near the basketball court with the parquet flooring?
Dustoff, I was once a medical student assigned to a ICU/CCU stint in a hospital that took in U.S. soldiers who were combat victims. Thanks for your contributions to this blog.
(you obviously have more intestinal fortitude than i. I sometimes got faint, ended up in law, easier on the eyes, ha ha.)
Thank you Lin
Lin
In my last year in highs-chool 1969 (San Diego) I had a close friend who was on LSD and killed himself in from of me with a shotgun. My father was in B-17’s in WWII but was captured in PI by Japan. He was a POW for the rest of the war. I went into the Army to save lives. For what ever reason blood and gore didn’t bother me.
11B 25th Division Cu Chi
Nice to hear.
What is a medical attachment?
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A military medical attachment, often called an Individual First Aid Kit (IFAK) or a MOLLE-compatible pouch, is a specialized, modular bag designed to carry essential, life-saving supplies that attaches directly to a soldier’s body armor, vest, or backpack. These pouches are highly customizable, providing immediate access to trauma shears, tourniquets, and bandages during emergency situations.
Are you trying too be funny?
Were you a Combat medic?
X
Stop the lies.
You know ICE officers are not under trained – or more accurately you know nothing except what some other idiot made up that you are regurgitating.
Regardless simple logic and Math would tell you that you are full of schiff.
ICE has been under the Biden budget until a few days ago.
In 2025 all new hires were replacements for people who quit or retire.
There are 6000 ICE agents. If we assume a 20 year carreer – it is likely that some small percent quit early or burn out early but that is not a huge factor.
That means absent additional funding for more agents – such as kicked in in late Jan 2026 with the BBB,
There will be about a 300 agent turnover a year.
That also means the average ICE agent will have 10 yrs experience.
That Turnover number is likely low, and the average experience is likely high – but not be a factor of two.
But even if we assume a turnover of 600 agents a year we still get an average experience of 6-7 years.
Under Obama they were making just under 500K arrest per year. Under Trump they are now making about 1M/year.
In Trump’s first term they were making about 500K/yr – but the number of successful border crossers was much lower than Obama.
I beleive even under Biden ICE was arresting and deporting more than 300K/yr – but 3+M/yr were crossing the border illegally.
Regardless you aare still dealing with a force that is relatively small – has on average atleast 6 years experience, and performs more arrests in a year than most LEO’s do in a 20 year carreer.
These are highly experienced
And your just lying.
Regardless at the very least 5400 current ICE agents served under Biden.
Probably 4000 of them served under Trump 45, and probably about 2500 served under Obama.
Were they all “undertrained barely litterate” when they worked for Obama ?
You rant about so called senior DHS whistleblowers. Do you have names ? How do you know they are even from DHS ?
And why would people in DHS and not ICE have a clue how well trained ICE officers are ?
Only a few people were prosecuted for leaking during Trump 45. Why ?
There are two reasons – Most of the so called press leaks WEREN;T – they were made up.
The second is because the leaks were lies.
Leaking confidential govenrment information is a crime – Even Obama vigorously prosecuted people doing so.
But a government official that Lies to the press but calls it a leak – is not actually leaking.
In a sane world that only happens once – a press with integrity quickly learns who the liars are and never trusts them again.
But the left wing nut MSM does not care if a source is lying, only if it is telling a story that fits the lefts narative.
That is why we have so many idiotic false conspiracy theories FROM THE LEFT over the past decade.
Truth is irrelevant to most of the media if the story fits a left wing narative.
So in leftwing nut world Trump “deliberately incited left wing violence by ….. enforcing the law”
Grow up – that is what we expect from government. Not anarchy.
No one is looking for a thrill catching illegals.
ICE’s job is dangerous. There have been over 100 rammings of ICE agents by cars in the past year.
I would note – you say ICE agents are inexperienced – yet so far NONE have died doing their job.
There were 1200 police involved shootings in 2025 -there were 17 involving ICE.
ICE makes 1 in 8 of all arrests in the US – if they had the same level of experience as normal officers
That number should be just under 200.
There were 600 fatal police shootings in 2025 – I beleive there were NONE involving ICE in 2025, but 2 in the year since Trump was elected.
Again if ICE officers were on the same level as regular LEOs that number should be about 100.
Put simply your rage at ICE math just does not add up.
If ICE is knuckle dragging neanderthals who can not read and only have a few days expierience – they still have 1/10th the problems with arrests that ordinary police do.
As to Fitness – we have all seen ICE officers in videos.
Lets pick 10 ICE officers at random and 10 MPD officers at random.
I would bet the MPD officers average 40lbs heavier.
Most LEOs do NOT have to have the experience or the physique that ICE agents do.
Most of what they do is NOT arrest people. There is nothing wrong with that – officers patrolling – making their presence known is a very effective deterent to crime.
ICE does not “patrol” – they serve deportation orders. They take warrants find the person and send them to a detention facility where others arrange for their deportation.
Almost all the ICE officers do is arrest people – there are another 21,000 ICE employees – but these do NOT conduct arrests,
These are the ones that conduct records searches or manage detention fascilities – they are NOT LEOs they are important, but they are not law enforcement.
Given the numbr of arrests that ICE is making – it is unsurprising that contra your claims – they are extremely professional and have a very very low rate of problems. When you do 20times as much arrests as an ordinary LEO you get good at it.
X, this is good information. Thank you for posting it.
“For example, yesterday, some of these idiots and morons at ICE decided to force their way into the Ecuadorian consulate in Minneapolis—no warrant, no idea where they were, and looking to apprehend illegals in the building. After being forced out the door by Ecuadorian officials, one ICE moron proceeded to threaten to “grab” one if they didn’t comply. Never mind that they were on sovereign territory and were definitely trespassing onto a foreign government’s property. Poor training and basic stupidty seem to be the norm for ICE and CBP recruiting.”
More X stupidity. While absolutely NOTHING is known for certain, we do have ONE security camera video.
That shows a bunk of people rushing to a glass storefront door – like on a Pizza Parlor – not a Consulate.
And a single person in Camo who does not enter.
It is possible that the Ecuadoran consulate in Minneapolis looks like a Pizza Parlor – but usually government buildings do NOT have comerical glass and aluminum store fronts.
The Video only shows the front from the inside.
MAYBE there is a “consulate sign” on the outside – but thus far that is not in evidence.
Regardless we have no evidence anyone broke it.
You are correct that a foreign consulate is sovereign soil – and if someone fled into one – they have SELF-DEPORTEDm exactly as if they had crossed the border into Mexico – they may not legally exit the building without a US VISA, or US passport.
You are correct that US LEOs may not force their way into a consulate.
They MAY however enter with permission.
The Ecuadoran embassy in London gave Julian Assange assylum for 7 years – and they allowed british law enforcement in to forceably remove him. Whether ICE can enter a consulate is up to the consulate. There is no rule they can not enter.
With consulates Warrants are completely irrelevant – you can enter with permission without one, you can not enter without permission with one.
There is nothing in the video provided so far to confirm that the location in question was a consulate.
With or without a warrant any LEO can enter private property in “hot pursuit” of a suspect.
Unless the door that the alleged agent tried to enter clearly specified that it was a foreign consulate the office could reasonably presume he was allowed to pursue.
As to what happens next – presuming there is truth to this story.
The ecuadorans can transport the person fleeing back to ecuador.
If they are not ecuadoran – they can grant them asylum.
They can hold them in the consulate forever.
Or they can turn them over to ICE.
Meanwhile DOJ will file an extradition order – ecuador has an extradition treaty with the US.
While on rare occasions they have not honored it.
The real concern for me is that our American populace, dumbed down by information obtained via social media or slanted agenda-driven MSM, combined with an increasingly diverse representation of foreign immigrants inundated with nonstop words for which they have little contextual or historical understanding (other than it must be something negative) (like “Nazi!” and “Fascist!”), in addition to the commanding control of academia and media by certain political ideologies—-makes Forhan’s successful run for election not as comfortably distal as we would like.
Lin,
Well said. If there was a deep dive comparison of 1930s Germany and our current political climate, we would see how the leftist Democrats, a compliant MSM, academia have much more in common with the then rising Nazi party.
Nazis for enforcing laws duly enacted by Congress? That’s looney tunes right there. That’s the Democratic party in America today – certifiably insane.
Professor Turley –
If you think Jay Jones getting elected despite making hateful comments is bad, you’re never going to BELIEVE it when you hear how Donald Trump got to be president after what he said about women, minorities, the handicapped, dogs, immigrants, fellow Americans, Africans……I mean – he bragged about getting to rape women as a celebrity and STILL got elected! I’m sure that’s a chapter in your book too – right?
False.
^ TDS on display. ^
Your statement is as credible as the Democrat AG candidate from Ohios statement that he has evidence of a proveable capital offense by Trump.
Trump indulged in hyperbole. He bragged he could kiss any woman. he wanted to — that they would allow him to, bc of his celebrity
Then came the exaggeration: “You can do anything! Grab them by the p!”
You mean “two bullets johnson”….that evil bog of manure ?. Literally fantasizing about murdering political oppo and their children ?. See this is the problem with leftist twinks , so full of intolerance and violence they can not see the forest from the trees.
unfortunately I see only two possible outcomes for the US at this point. A divorce between Red States and Blue States dome peacefully. Or Civil War. We are far to divided on what is Right and Wrong. There is no way we can resolve our differences if the left thinks it’s ok to murder those with a different opinion than theirs.
@Rick
I’m hoping, and it may be a thin hope, but I’m hoping it’s generational and the mentality will age out (though our education system definitely needs to be addressed regardless). I actually see catastrophe across the entire Western world if we don’t iron things out, not just conflict here, and this time the global, modern left would not be on the side of right, I fear.
The younger generation is politically extremely weird.
The same people who vote for Sanders also vote for Trump.
There is a very small group of actual extreme left wing Marxists.
There is much larger group that for reasons I can not grasp can vote for Trump one day and Sanders the next.
These tend to be people who like socialism – without understanding it and are ok with free markets but are strongly opposed to “big business”
These would be the progressive trust busters of the past.
They are attracted to Trump – and Sanders because Both go after Big Business, Big Pharma, ….
There is a significant part of MAGA that shares this same anti-big business.
The problem – left and right is that they do not grasp that rent seeking – which is what they have a major problem with, is not caused by big business. It is caused by Government power.
Give government power and SOMEONE is going to try to rent it. ALWAYS
If you figure out how to dis-empower big business – another special interest will replace them with a different self serving and bad agenda.
As Lord Acton noted – Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The problem is giving government power it does not need.
You will NEVER get government to wield that power consistently in a beneficial way without some special interest stepping in to rent it.
Rick, things are not that hopeless. Frankly they are not all that bad at all.
Peter Theil beleives we hit peak woke in 2020 – and I agree.
We are on the downhill slope from this insanity
But dying regimes lash out – occasionally with small success.
But the decline is inevitable.
There are very few red states turning blue -MAYBE North Carolina.
But we have seen Ohio turn red, while PA and michigan have gone from Blue to pinkish.
Minesota and Illionois are NOT turning red tomorow -but absent a change in trend they will be red in a decade.
As likely will New York.
Republicans have been gaining in voter registration for over a decade.
They are making huge gains with minorities.
The democratic party is pushing itself ever more extreme.
People are leaving blue states.
more importantly MONEY is leaving blue states.
NY and CA both of which should be practially utopia’s are loosing people and loosing wealth.
People do not leave CA to TX for the weather, or the natural beauty.
They leave because democrats have made it a h311hole.
This is not the start of a civil war – it isthe last gasps of insanity.
Multiple studies have reported that people identifying as Trans has dropped in half in 3 years.
The left is failing.
Throughout this entire ICE drama in MN – Trump’s approval has varied little and is 47% – the same as it was in October.
Trump has actually gained among hispanics.
Multiple polls confirm that there is still majority support for deporting ALL illegal immigrants and super majority support for deporting criminal illegal immigrants.
Absolute the left has succeeded in tarnishing the image of ICE – but they have also harmed their own perception and that of democrats,
And they have not damaged Trump or support for deportation.
Americans want the impossible – a kinder gentler ICE that manages to deport 2-3 times as many people a year.
43% of Minnesotans vote Republican. An open Senate seat in MN is in play for republicans this term – it is a stretch – but not an impossible one.
Regardless, Democrats are going to have to spend alot of money defending what should be a safe seat – and MN is not the only place that is true.
While I do not personally see this as a red blue thing –
Sen. Fetterman does not share most of my views – but he is a traditional democrat – rational, moderate.
We forget there are 10’s of millions of people who are democrats LIKE Feterrman.
D’s won the NJ and VA governorships by moving HARD to the center.
But they are not governing as they promissed.
A major change Trump has introduced to politics is that he is and does what he says.
You KNOW what you are going to get when you vote for him.
Increasingly ALL voters – including far left voters expect that from their candidates.
I thing the future is increasingly dark for politicians who make promises to get elected and do not even try once in office.
We WANT authenticity.
Ultimately that is actually harmful to the far left.
Mamdani is rapidly finding he does not have the power to keep his promises and his own voters are pi$$ed.
Walz merely talking with Trump has turned his supporters against him
There is not going to be a civil war – or atleast not more than there already is.
Further the really big deal for the future is people are ever more tied of the chaos.
While Trump causes chaos – real change requires disruption.
Much of what he has done is slowly being accepted as the norm.
And that is why the left is so frenzied. As it is harder and harder to cast MAGA as extreme
people see the far left more and more as the font of chaos.
Chaos leading to positive change is frequently chosen by people
Trump, Milei, as an example.
But constant chaos causes rising anxiety and someone is going to get blamed.
absolutely ICE is currently falsely getting blamed by way too many people,
But that is correctable.
But the left is also being blamed and they can not fix that.
@John
‘Peter Theil beleives we hit peak woke in 2020 – and I agree.’
I think so too. We just have to hold the line; a lot of the youngest are actually quite conscientious and really want peaceful lives, even if they don’t know precisely what to do. This is my experience, not conjecture. Woke millennials might truly end up being a lost generation. Sane people of every age do not agree with anything they think, and won’t abide lives based on it. that the DNC went whole hog in with any of it will likely be their demise, over time.
James,
I have read studies and reports about how American males have stayed mostly steady or moved slightly more to the right while American females have move left to very left. Also read the birth rate of conservatives is 2.4, while the birth rate of progressives is 1.6. The replacement rate is 2.1. Progressives are literally non-breeding themselves out of existence. As to the wokes becoming the lost generation, what does that look like? A whole group of people who bear witness to all their wokeism utopia dreams get replaced by normalcy and reality. Boy are they going to be a sad bunch. Will they have the self-reflection to say, ‘Okay, maybe that was not such a good idea,’ and move on? Or in their narcissistic and nihilist ways stay in their own ever growing smaller echo chambers on Bluesky relive their glory days, or try to convince themselves they are still fighting the good fight . . . against something.
The problem with 20 something adults is they had schiff for education.
They are not stupid. In lots of instances they KNOW they have been fed a diet of educational garbage.
But more so than nearly any prior generation they have been lied to for 12-16 years of education.
Knowing you have been lied to is NOT the same and knowing the truth.
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Most do NOT know of the failures of socialism – that many of use were taught or in some cases directly observed.
One of the reasons that Charlie Kirk was shot was because young people listened to him.
They started hearing the truth and learning it.
Badly educating someone does not make them a bad person or stupid.
But it does handicap them in making good choices.
Most or all the people in Minneapolis protesting are real left wing nuts – not just poorly educated young adults.
It is notable that both Rene Good and Alex PRetti were 37 – they are from the truly Woke generation – NOT the current generation.
That is true of a large number of protestors. Left wing nut protestors are far more of a mixed bag than in the past.
Even in Campus hamas protests – large numbers were foreign graduate students significantly older than most college students.
There is supposedly a resurgence of religion in young adults. I have a very strong beleif that the universe is not the product of chance.
But I am not an adherent to a specific religion. If anything I am mildly hostile to many organized religions.
At the same time – whether there is a good or not – humans are INHERENTLY religious creatures.
WE NEED a God and will create one if we do not have one. When Moses went up on the mountain the Israelite started worshiping golden calves. There has never been a human society that did not have religion. Even today – the left wing nut nonsense – is a religion – just one without a god, or with many gods.
Regardless young adults are rejecting the work religion and increasing gravitating to organized religions that have been out of favor for a few decades.
I have no idea how that will play out.
But as Adams noted – ‘Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.’
I do not beleive people can self govern absent a near universal moral foundation – and that is normally provided by religion.
@John Say: Man, I wish I had those positive thoughts like you do. We are dealing with the vocal, belligerent, minority backed by the evil MSM and crazy folks in office and the electorate. Look at what this human, Abigail Spanberger, is promising for Virginians. If the ideology of the Left is not destroyed, America is in for tough times ahead.
A couple generations of dumbed down education , and a huge influx of third world riff raft and here we are. This is all going according to left wing socialist plans. There are no coincidences here.
Rick,
The Civil War was mostly divisible by a demarcation line of North vs South. If, as a hypothetical Civil War 2.0 were to occur, it likely would look more like a Balkanization type war. I do not think we are at that point yet. It is all fun and games when LEOs and the NG have to restrain themselves against violent mobs, quite something different when bullets start to fly in earnest.
. The left is indeed lawless.
“unfortunately I see only two possible outcomes for the US at this point. ”
Well, the only way you can have option 1 is if there is an Article V Constitutional Convention with an outcome that specifically authorizes secession. While I agree with the poster who is about to comment that there is nothing in the Constitution prohibiting secession, there is zero possibility that even the current, Conservative-majority ,SCOTUS would go against over a century and a half of precedent and rule that way. I would conclude that a more realistic to state your alternatives is: an Article V Convention; or Civil War. I can conceive that there might be a slight possibility that the former and current members of the Democratic Party who don’t buy in to all of this stuff might rise up and disenfranchise the radical minority in that party, but if that is the case, I’m mystified about what they have been waiting for.