Below is my column in the New York Post on the Cornell rape case and the appointment of Attorney General Letitia James to investigate the allegations. With Democratic politicians and pundits already pronouncing guilt before any charges, let alone a trial, the appointment of James follows an all-too-familiar pattern in high-profile criminal cases. James previously pronounced the guilt of the students before she was appointed by New York Gov. Hochul as the special prosecutor. James publicly denounced what the accuser had “been forced to endure” and called her case “horrific and unacceptable.” She added that, with “all survivors,” that “we stand with you.” It is a signature of James’s notorious approach to prosecutorial ethics.
Here is the column:
“Seven men drugged and gang raped a 20-year-old woman.” That verdict in the alleged Cornell rape case was delivered by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has joined a chorus of others in pronouncing the guilt of Cornell students accused of raping a fellow student.
Mind you, not a single witness has testified under oath publicly and not a single charge has been brought. However, guilt is now being collectively declared from the usual figures and outlets who have never been late to mob justice.
Ocasio-Cortez declared, “I want to be clear that the culture of rape, sexual assault, and pedophilia is protected in elite institutions across the United States and including Cornell University in this instance. It has got to stop.”
We have been here before. Twenty years ago, Duke students were accused of gang raping a stripper at a campus party. The media quickly lionized Durham District Attorney Michael B. Nifong as he pandered to the media in portraying the students as personifying a racist rape culture in the United States.
The problem is that, from the start, the facts did not fit the allegations and there was a total lack of forensic evidence to support the claim. Crystal Mangum later admitted that she had lied.
Nifong was disbarred and Mangum, who was still not prosecuted for lying about these students, later went to jail for murder.
All the politicians and pundits who declared the Duke students guilty simply shrugged and moved on to the next scandal, demanding instant, uninformed judgments.
Conflicts in testimony, as are evident in the Cornell case, does not mean that there was no rape. Indeed, this is a stronger case than Duke in my view. However, there is ample reason to withhold judgment until more is known.
Much of what we know comes from a 101-page civil complaint filed by Doe against Cornell, fraternity-related entities, seven individual defendants and other defendants.
The alleged rape occurred on the night of Oct. 19, 2024. Doe admits that she drank heavily at a sorority house and then, despite being underage, drank more at a couple of bars before, around 11 pm, going to the Chi Phi fraternity house to meet a friend. It was there that she claims to have been drugged and gang raped.
The Snapchat messages sent after 1 am from the fraternity brothers are disgusting and horrifying. Frat brothers announce that there was “free” sex with a woman upstairs, and one later asked, “Shop still open?”
Yet the case also includes countervailing statements from the alleged victim herself, including suggestions that the sex with the first couple of men was consensual.
Friends recounted that Doe later laughed about the incident and said, “Oh my goodness, isn’t that crazy?” (Notably, some also added that they believed Doe was still traumatized by the experience and had not fully processed it).
She also later told her sorority “big sister” that “You may hear some rumors about me, and unfortunately they are true.”
On October 22 and 23, Doe exchanged messages with one of the men who expressed regret about “how things went down.” Both said that their memory of what occurred was cloudy because they were intoxicated.
However, she told him “non(e) of the sexual stuff was illegal.” She reportedly added that she liked being with him and another man and wanted to come over and smoke more “but like leave out the extra 5 billion men and ketamine.”
On Oct. 22, Doe did go to Cornell Health and was diagnosed with a urinary tract infection and tested positive for sexually transmitted diseases.
On October 28, Doe reportedly wanted to go to the fraternity’s Halloween party, and her frat friend said she was welcome because “chi phi is your house and you are welcome here.” She responded with “thank u i really appreciate … i’ll bring my cigs tomorrow.”
Later, the president of the fraternity contacted her to rescind the invitation and she responded angrily to her friend that “I knew this was going to happen. The woman will always get the short end of the stick. Yall aren’t my friends. Yall are covering your asses.”
On Nov. 7, Doe did seek a rape kit test (which was not useful after the passage of so much time). The next day, she reported the alleged rape to the Cornell University Police Department.
Cornell then moved quickly that day to suspend the Xi Chapter of Chi Phi and temporarily suspended the seven men later named in her civil lawsuit.
In her later accounts, Doe admitted to heavy drinking and drug use. She also reportedly told investigators that she was okay with the initial sex, adding, “Yeah, as much as I can be because, again, I was super drunk when I got there … But I was pretty OK with all of this.” However, she also said “I can say with 100% confidence I was raped.”
Legally, the extreme intoxication and drug use undermine claims of consent. While she admits that her memory was “super clouded,” it is hard to imagine anyone believing that a student in her condition was capable of giving knowing consent.
However, there are obvious problems with the case, which likely contributed to the decision not to bring criminal charges or make a criminal referral.
In New York, one threshold issue will focus on her voluntarily drinking to excess. Like other states, a mentally incapacitated individual cannot legally consent to sex but there is an exception for those who voluntarily consumed alcohol to the point that they became incapacitated.
Roughly 20 states have the same exception — where an accuser must show that her incapacity by intoxication was involuntary due to being drugged or brought to intoxication without knowledge or consent.
Faced with a prosecutor who had previously declined charges (but was reopening the case), Gov. Hochul condemned the university and played to her base. She promised her own prosecutor.
She then picked the one prosecutor who surpasses Nifong in the Duke case in her reputation for putting politics ahead of prosecutorial integrity: Attorney General Letitia James.
James was elected on a pledge to weaponize the legal system against President Donald Trump, promising that she would prosecute Trump without specifying any crime. She is known as one of the most political prosecutors in the country, using her office to pursue groups and individuals on the right. Former staffers recently condemned her for converting them into “Tish’s personal attorneys … targeting her political enemies.”
Hochul’s appointment of James maximizes the chances of a criminal charge in the case. James has always followed the policy of the Queen of Hearts in “Alice in Wonderland”: “Sentence first, verdict afterward.”
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the New York Times best-selling author of “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.”
If Democrats really believe we are living in a “rape culture”, wouldn’t they have demanded the Bill Clinton resign his office after it was revealed that he had raped one woman and abused others. Wasn’t there a recent President who took showers with his step-daughter?
Former Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert has died.
CBS, now controlled by MAGA Bari Weiss, made the following comment on X:
“Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, who represented Illinois for two decades in Congress and was later jailed for violating banking laws, has died”.
Why was he violating banking laws, I wonder.
Did he violate anything else ?
Why yes, he did. He violated teenager boys by sexually abusing them while coaching wrestling at a suburban Chicago high school.
He violated banking laws to pay them off to keep quiet.
Strange that CBS failed to mention that, don’t you think.
Former Chicago businessman Alphonse Capone, who rose to the top of the beverage distribution industry and was later jailed for violating tax laws, has died.
Bari Weiss is not MAGA – she is a liberal much like Prof. Turley. She is not however a radical left wing nut.
She was put in charge of CBS news by the new owners in the hope that she can reform CBS and attract viewers who are not on the far left.
If you are employed by CBS – take heed. Either balance your reporting or find another place to work.
We will have to see what happens. Jeff Bezos has been trying to get WaPo to balance its reporting to appeal to more people for over a decade and failed. The result was mass layoffs. We will have to see if that worked.
CNN News reporters will shortly face the same dilema. Larry Ellison is Buying CNN – and Elon Musk is providing some of the financing
Regardless, These purchases and efforts to get the MSM to reflect the views of a larger audience are the alternative to bankruptcy,
or radical staff cuts.
Whether those of you on the left grasp that or not – free markets work. You can profit in a niche market with a niche product.
You can not get the patronage of the majority of people from the fringe.
X loves to rant that the left title of colleges may be what professors and students want.
Which would be fine if the american people were not subsidizing them.
John Say,
You are correct, Bari Weiss is NOT MAGA. She is very much a traditional liberal who had the audacity to call out the NYT floor room for their advocacy journalism and their anti-semitesm. She resigned and started a news letter called Common Sense. It got so popular, she then turned it into The Free Press. And has been very successful. The Free Press is NOT MAGA. By their own internal polling, they are like a third liberals, a third conservatives and a third independents. And they all get along quite well by their own reporting. They even have dinner clubs nation wide. I would attend but college prevents me.
She got hired to make CBS news into something like The Free Press. And the internal staff, the advocacy journalists are resisting her efforts to make return CBS news back to it’s honorable, objective, watched news apparatus that it once was.
Why not buy these failing, leftist, MSM and turn them into something most Americans would want to watch and make money rather than lose it?
The banking laws Hassert allegedly violated are unconstitutional.
The conduct he was covering up is a different story.
The far illiberal leftists call anyone to the right of Mao as MAGA.
If you have ever read anything by Bari Weiss’s The Free Press, you would know The Free Press is anything but MAGA.
What they are, are objective journalists. And the far illiberal leftists cannot stand that. They cannot stand that The Free Press is so successful. So, the far illiberal leftists have to resort to calling Bari as MAGA. I have noted they do not reference The Free Press at all. As if they would, people may check out The Free Press and find by their own means how un-MAGA The Free Press really is. The far illiberal leftists cannot have that! People, finding out things for themselves that The Free Press is not MAGA? Oh, NO! So, they just throw the Bari is MAGA thing around as if it were true.
Fact is, CBS is losing money and the people who now own it, want to turn it around and make it profitable like Bari did.
And the far illiberal leftists are crying about it.
Just goes to show they would rather burn it all down than admit their mistakes and build something people would want to read or see.
What is a woman?
#. The case reveals the student body. What happened appears to be appropriate in a woke world and campus?
She may as well make money and if the price were 50 million colleges might tighten up their standards?
That’s not what I personally think but one way to make lemonade.
Joy
They scream for due process for illegal immigrants but declare guilt without a trial for the frat boys. Latitia James has learned what it takes to sell her soul to the highest bidder. She doesn’t give a damn about the threesome that poor little miss Jane Doe agreed to as the trial proceedings continue as long as she gets another do good job ribbon. Her future is secured.
Whores come in all sizes.
Sigh. Sigh. They will never relent, and if dems ever have majority power again it will be the Biden years on steroids, picking up right where they left off quite quickly, and likely virtually irreversibly. Vote like your life depends on it, because it does, in the midterms, folks. This is our world if we don’t stand firm. People need to understand the gravity of that.
I’ve given up on brainwashed dems – it’s up to the rest of us. All the modern left knows is obfuscation misrepresentation, and whatever means necessary. I will never, as an independent voter, vote for the dems ever again as long as I live. And that is not nearly as short as our pre-pubescent trolls hope it is, I am not old. And I am not alone. But you have to get off of your butts and vote. Voting may not mean anything whatsoever in that currently hypothetical future if you don’t do it now.
The election next month might be the most consequential our Republic has ever seen. Do not sit on the sidelines, those days are dead and buried. Vote. And take five other eligible voters with you.
There are some parallels when Christine Blasey Ford stated,” I don’t know how I got there” and “I don’t know when I left”.
Now AG Letita “Peekaboo” James will prove that Jane Doe was of sound mind and body after doping, drinking, bar hoping off campus and having three way sex before going to the frat house. There must have been a lot of body fluids. Where’s the DNA?
We have a great deal – but not all the facts in this case.
Presuming that is not something else hiding in the unreleased parts of Jane Doe’s statement,
The only charges possible are the distribution of illegal drugs, and proving alcohol to minors.
Those are both crimes even where there is consent.
Jane Doe may well have a civil case against the fraternity.
DNA is irrelevant here – there does not appear to be any dispute over who did what to who.
There does not appear to be any dispute that the conduct was all consensual.
All of these students are morally reprehensible and should be expelled.
But the only crimes are drug and alcohol offenses.
Well, I was hoping this would of been a fair trial but that appears to gone out the window.
GOP gov candidate Bruce Blankman is within margin of error of NY gov Hochul. She needs to rile up her base and a distraction from rising utility prices that she help cause by her and then gov Cumo passed some climate change act in 2018. Long time Dem supporter and donor actress Debra Messing is endorsing Blankman and said recently,
“The decline in this city over the last four years has been so exponential and devastating — economically, socially and on every level. And obviously, we’ve lost so much business here. People are leaving,”
And hedge fund CEO Ken Griffin gave a impressive $3b donation to the new Carnegie Mellon Miami FL campus and 1$b to the Pittsburgh PA campus, snubbing the Manhattan one. Business leaders in NYC are calling it a loss for NYC and not a coincidence.
So, Hochul brings in James to make a clown show of a trial, just like she did with Trump.
And after the Lindsay Clancy trial, what jurist or jury would dare NOT return a guilty verdict?
Be interesting to see what the defense finds in discovery.
Good job with the cut-n-paste.
Good job with recounting the facts.
Diogenes,
Yep.
Debra Messing is endorsing Blankman. She did say those things. All public record. All facts.
Ken Griffin did in fact donate those monies to those campuses. Both facts.
Absent a change of Venue any Trial is likely in the RED parts of NY – and NY has some definitely red parts.
Gentlemen, I just got very bad news. It’s true that much of upstate NY is red, but Thompkins County is a massive exception. For perspective, that county voted 75% Democrat in 2024. NYC voted only 68% Democrat and still managed to railroad convictions and judgements against Trump. Thompkins is where Cornell is. There is no law in NY state anymore. It’s mob rule.
If I were one of those white defendants, I’d pray for a plea bargain or expect years of appeals (megabucks) just to get it to the Supreme Court.
If any male in NY is still liberal, he is a complete, blithering idiot.
Diogenes,
Yeah, I was wondering about the make up of a jury in the county where Cornell resides.
Could the defendants request a change of venue based on that for a fair trial?
Of course, if they did and succeeded, that jury may have to face the Lindsay Clancy treatment of post trial.
Then again, in an Upstate NY red county, it is a given everyone has a deer rifle, a shot gun and a .22.
So do their neighbors.
Hang in there, Upstate, and keep your powder dry.
On one of the Sunday shows a typical liberal Democrat claimed this was Trump’s fault because of the culture he engendered. Chris (py Kreme) Christy nodded along snd the “moderator then went to commercial. Just one problem you fascist little creeps, the event happened while Biden was president!!! Maybe Biden and his degenerate son contributed to this culture.
Democrats are truly sickening people these days. Name two Democrats that will outwardly support Israel today and will call Hamas what they really are.
Just one problem you fascist little creeps, the event happened while Biden was president!!! Tough start to the day or just screaming at the world?
You didn’t actually respond to Hullbobby did you?
Better to ask him after the ketamine wears off.
Tara Reade could not be reached for comment… or maybe nobody bothered to ask her.
HullBobby,
I am surprised they have not tried to claim the Duke rape hoax, you know back in 2006, on Trump.
Where is X telling us that all the students on college campuses are left wing nuts and that this is what they want.
Concervatives on college campuses are an endangered species.
Trying to pretend this has anything to do with Trump or the right is nonsense.
If you wish to argue this is college students behaving badly as college students often do and has nothing to do with politics – fine.
But this is not something you can blame on the right.
John Say,
I am at a community college and it seems like a mix bag.
The general ed classes like math, could lean right or left. I can say one side of the class room seems more like high school and the other side is a lot more serious.
The more degree or career focused courses seem to tend more right.
Also, the socio-economic varies widely. One young woman in my chem class, it was Thursday, she already had 33 hours in at work and had a 10 hour shift that day. She is going for her nursing degree and does not have time for useless DEI classes or useless, waste her money liberal arts requirements.
From what we have read and seen, sure, those elite colleges and universities might pander to those who can afford tuition at those prices, but for people who actually work or are going for real jobs doing real work, they do not have time for the leftist indoctrination. They, or I should say, we, are not interested in what those leftist indoctrination camps are selling.
Dr. Turley beat me to the Queen of Hearts quote. While the case is both horrific and ah, messy, the appointment of Ms James as prosecutor reeks of Laverenty Beria: “Give me the man and I’ll give you the case against him.” The term criminal justice takes on whole new meaning in some jurisdictions. In the previously mentioned Duke case, if at least one of the parents of the students accused hadn’t had serious money, they’d likely all still be in jail.
Ocasio-Cortez declared, “I want to be clear that the culture of rape, sexual assault, and pedophilia is protected in elite institutions across the United States and including Cornell University in this instance.”
Cornell, an elitist institution dominated 98% by leftist faculty, is now “rape culture.” Oh, the humanity!! And these seven young men, most of whom are also likely liberal, are practically guilty of rape until proven innocent–that, according to the witches’ sabbath that runs NY. This will be a Halloween to remember.
I don’t know, fellas. That ketamine is powerful stuff. If I were a male liberal, I would seriously consider turning off MSNOW and taking in a moment of clarity. It would be the first of many. The Bonfire Of The Vanities was a documentary, and you’re about to watch it in real time.
Isn’t this a predominantly black fraternity?
Whoa! The plot thickens! I’ve never seen it reported, and that would fit a pattern of censorship.
Diogenes,
“Cornell, an elitist institution dominated 98% by leftist faculty, is now ‘rape culture.'”
Now there is an interesting and uncomfortable observation for Cornell University.
It is. Liberals are learning to hate irony.
Diogenes,
Sorry, but I have to, with respect, disagree with you on that one.
Liberals are not.
Illiberals are. And they show that with their rage filled words and actions. And we see it.
True
This is the post that the linked NYP article is referencing from James:
“What this young woman has been forced to endure is horrific and unacceptable. I’m holding her in my heart and in my prayers. To her, and to all survivors: you’re not alone. We stand with you.”
Professor Turley, how can you – in good conscience – summarize that as James “pronounc[ing] the guilt of the students before she was appointed by New York Gov. Hochul?”
At least based on the referenced article, she has done nothing of the sort. So, either you have not properly cited your sources, or you are blatantly making things up.
In that post, she neither declared those specific defendants are guilty of any charges, nor does she even acknowledge a crime has been committed, period.
Turley is just “fueling the Age of Rage” yet again.
(Before I am attacked, a disclaimer: In no way does this mean I defend James or the selection of James. This is merely about the ridiculously unfounded conclusions drawn by the good professor in this post.)
What part of forced to endure are you I missing?
“forced to endure” neither means (a) there was a crime; nor (b) that these particular defendants were at fault for said crime.
I was forced to endure rain showers last week. I was forced to endure the death of my grandparents by cancer as a kid. What is your point?
“I was forced to endure . . .”
Nice equivocation. And dropping the context.
Good two-fer: You can’t read. And you use fallacies to deceive people.
Because she said what she was forced to endure was horrific and called her a survivor, not a alleged victim, despite not having any actual evidence
According to Jane Doe’s statement – there was no FORCE.
How is that relevant to my comment? You do realize “forced to endure” does not mean necessarily mean that one is subjected to physical violence right?
Please look up the phrase and report back.
Do you know how to read? Do you know what words mean?
Where in her post does she even reference the specific defendants??
Please help me, expert reader. Where is that in the post?
What she had to endure was the realization of shame over her hedonistic behavior that she engaged in by attending a solicited gang bang. She has been reported to have texted and bragged to her friends about her sexual exploits and drug use of the event. Only after it all became common knowledge about campus that she was a promiscuous did she suddenly realize her reputation had become besmirched by her own doings. Alas, someone else must be responsible for her failures in judgment….
She (they) will now drag all of these men into the same level of chaos rather than accepting personal responsibility. If you’re going to be stupid you had better be strong.
What you do in your youth can stay with you throughout your life, a hard concept for many to learn, self included.
What are you talking about ?
Onme of the gigantic problems with this case is that What Jane Doe has staqted to the police and others occured
DID NOT INVOLVE FORCE.
Everyone using the word FORCE either has evidence that has not been made public – which is highly unlikely as the local DA refused to charge anyone, or they are LYING.
James did not Prejudge the case – she LIED.
AOC is LYING.
Hochul is LYING.
The conduct these teens engaged in was disgusting – but aside from drug dealing, and providing alcohol to minors – there are no crimes.
Just revolting behavior.
Revolting behavior on the part of the men.
Revolting behavior on the part of Jane Doe.
No, that’s not what “forced to endure’ means.
It can be used in any situation where someone has to tolerate something highly unpleasant against their will.
Like my innocuous examples above. I’ll give you other… When my wife controls the remote, I am forced to endure Love Island.
That doesn’t mean a criminal act.
And beyond that, you’ve ignored the even more critical part – which is that there is nothing in the post linking the subject of her claim to any defendant.
If you take issue with this, I suspect that you may want a refresher in basic reading comprehension. Maybe Turley can join you.
“It can be used in any situation . . .”
So can the word “trunk.”
That doesn’t mean that you can put your luggage in an elephant’s nose.
When you drop the context, you can whimsically change the meaning of any word.
She referred to her as a survivor, not the alleged victim and claim she was forced to endure something horrific
ATS according to Jane Does own statement “what this woman endured was CONSENSUAL”
The conduct described was immoral and hedonistic – but it was not a crime – aside from alcohol and drug crimes.
Even there – Jan Doe was not the only underage person being provided with Alcohol which she consumed con-sensually.
She was not the only person being provided with drugs that were being consumed con-sensually.
From Jane Does statement – at EVERY step in this – Jane was asked if she consented to whatever was next.
Sometimes she said no – and those involved listened. Sometimes she said yes.
In NY as in several other states – you can not claim that you were too drunk to consent if you voluntarily got yourself drunk.
Regardless, Jane Doe did not endure any “ordeal” different from hedonistic consensual sex anywhere.
These teens are all equally immoral and equally innocent – atleast criminally.
Whatever the culture at this fraternity – it was a culture Jane Doe wanted to be a part of.
We are reaching the point where vigilante justice is the only response reasonable. We used to tar and feather recalcitrant tax collectors. Perhaps this should be extended to rogue prosecutors and the governors who use them? The bastardization of the legal system has been allowed to go on far too long and must be stopped lest it tear the country apart. The democrats want to remove the only barrier keeping us from descending into anarchy and civil war. They are the very definition of mob rule and are the main thing the constitution was designed to prevent but once a party gets power to change that aspect all bets are off and we are all screwed until enough killing has occured.
This is my personal opinion only, but based on professional experience and observation. I am a white cisgender female.
1.) Women (mostly white females) tend to blame men, irrespective of their own immature, ill-advised, and dubious contribution to events. I am in no way defending or excusing macho males intent on overpowering women in some situations, including sexual.
2) Women’s limbic response mechanisms seem to prevail over logic.
3) A single, non-sexual example: the recent FlyDubai incident involving co-pilot attacking pilot: Women hysterically screaming. Out of control screaming. Top-of-lungs non-stop screaming.
(I once was on a plane when this happened. We were going to the Pentagon for a training class; I was a mere clerk-in-training. The plane landed safely after the receiving airport* lined the runway with white foam. Sorry, *don’t know the correct terms.) Since that day, I have regarded screaming women with disdain.
4) My advice to ALL women. If you are not contributing to the solution, just Sit Down and Shut UP until you have something to CONTRIBUTE in resolving the crisis. Please STOP ALL THAT SCREAMING.
5) My distant perception of Letitia James is that her initial response to cases is limbic, whether political or criminal in nature. She then later structures the logic elements to a case and her response is more controlled, professional, -although one can feel the bias still leaking through the seams.
0.) (What happened to dorm mothers or sorority house contacts? When I went to school, they went looking for you when you were not back when you were supposed to be.)
I expect my comment here will alienate some. I accept that.
Blind justice, essential to trust, requires requires self-control, integrity, and character on the part of the players. The bar appears to be set too low damn near everywhere.
Appreciate the candor, Lin. My guess is that Letitia Shames will milk the case for all the votes (and donations) it can get and then bury it after the election. This case ain’t no mounted trophy; it’s a roadkill that’ll stink with too much sunlight. By going away quietly, it does what a lot of liberal lore does: it gets brought up over and over again without ever being proven–like Trump’s “good people on both sides” quote that was repeatedly quoted out of context by people who knew better.
Then, again, the mob is often too stupid to be cynical. I guess we’ll see.
Lin,
Interesting observations. Men and women likely will react differently under challenges because of biology. That has generally been true across cultures whether sophisticated or hunter/gatherer. If you are usually physically weaker and with more gracile bones it isn’t a winning strategy to launch yourself into physical combat as we too often see in stupid movies. Other tactics are needed and strong women find them.
Another problem is the wussification or sissification of society in general and particularly with women. It doesn’t help to be conditioned to be infantile. Ridiculous ‘trigger warnings’ and ‘hydrating’ every time you break a sweat are simple examples.
That said, I have been fortunate to have known strong women, including my grandmother and great aunts who were essentially frontier types. As for my wife, she wouldn’t have screamed on that flight. She would have looked for a way to grab a makeshift weapon, get into the cockpit, and settle with the terrorist.
I read today that there is a surprising surge of gun buying by women. The old saying is that God made man but Sam Colt made them equal. The same may be said of women. If I may say it, time to ‘man up.’
If men become like women, women will become like neurotics. Will somebody please tap the brakes??
There is no rape. She felt embarrassed after and now wants to get rich off of it. She is a hoe plain and simple. Leave those dudes alone. She is trying to ruin lives on a lie
If I were her, I’d do the same thing.
Maybe the boys should counterclaim? Just thinking.
Do you admit you would lie. Women are just vile.
Excuse me, I understood the comment, that anon would hire a lawyer to get rich, not lie. Amazing the lack of education.
That is lying. Getting a lawyer for no crime is lying.
Are you braindead man?
I might be but you are a wuss.
Oh, I see…hire a professional liar tolie for you. Got it!
By the way, thinking of rape and liars, what is the meaning of is?
I have no problem with publicly shaming everyone involved.
In a different era they would all be put in stocks and people would throw rotten vegetables at them.
There are some crimes in this story – drug dealing, and providing alcohol to minors.
But the conduct – even the criminal conduct was consensual.
Calling this rape diminishes what happened to all the people who are actually raped.
Who was a minor?
Sorry – my mistake. Jane Doe was under 21 and providing her with alcohol is a crime in NY.
The same was true of most of the Frat Boys.
It is taught at college orientation, and is commonly known, that alcohol and many “recreational” drugs will impair one’s judgement. So if someone chooses to drink alcohol or use drugs that one knows, or should have known, in advance will be likely to impair that person’s judgement and may cause a person to do something they will later regret when sober and lucid, short of verifiable assault and/or battery, why should that person not bear much of responsibility for his or her actions? If one chooses to drink and use drugs that are known to likely impair one’s ability to consent, shouldn’t one be responsible for one’s actions that may result from one’s choice to be so impaired?
You give the s_lut too much credit, she chose to be gang f-ed. She used drugs to release her inhibitions. She wanted it!
What I meant was, that if an adult chooses to voluntarily take a substance that one knows in advance will likely impair one’s judgement then, absent an assault, should not that person be responsible for the consequences?
Vincente: “What I meant was, that if an adult chooses to voluntarily take a substance that one knows in advance will likely impair one’s judgement then, absent an assault, should not that person be responsible for the consequences?”
That seems generally true when driving, operating heavy equipment, or flying a plane.
Most readers are focusing on the sex scandal side of this case, but there’s an eight-hundred-pound gorilla here that folks are ignoring. In her statement and text messages, Jane Doe alludes to “cigs” and ketamine. The cigs likely refer to marijuana, which, in NY State, is legal for recreational use only if you’re over the age of 21. Jane Doe was 20 when this episode at the frat house occurred.
Ketamine, on the other hand, is a very serious controlled substance and regulated as a Schedule III drug by both NY and federal laws. TV star Matthew Perry died from a ketamine OD, and his supplier was sentenced to 15 years in prison. His doctor and assistants are under investigation and may go to the slammer, as well.
So, for the moment, let’s forget about the sexual stuff; it’s a she-said, he-said deal at most, and the legal issues right now do not favor a prosecution because of all the contradictions.
The easiest way to get to the bottom of all this is through the drug-related evidence. OK, Jane Doe, where did you obtain the marijuana, from whom, when, and how much? What else do you know about underage marijuana use at Cornell?
OK, frat boys, who brought the ketamine to the party? Jane Doe says the drug was “on” the private part of so and so. OK, so and so, what can you tell us about this drug? Where did you obtain it, from whom, for how much, and how much did you buy? What more can you tell us about ketamine use at Cornell by students?
None of these people, including Jane Doe, is a hardened criminal likely to clam up and hide behind their lawyer. They are at Cornell because they are smart, ambitious, and the family can pay $75-$90 thousand a year in tuition for a first-rate education that guarantees success in life, not time in the slammer. This episode could ruin that plan. It could also land one or more frat boys in the slammer.
So, line up, everybody; it’s true confession time. Cornell’s new motto for the occasion is mus esto aut musem patere (Latin for Rat or be Ratted). Oh, and Tish likes deep pockets, so Cornell, you’d better hide that $12 billion endowment fund, or you’ll be trumped over by another Latin expression: In loco parentis – the legal doctrine defining the responsibility of a school to protect its students from nightmarish situations like this.
JJC,
Good points.
As I said in another comment, be interesting to see what comes up from discovery.
I have no doubt both sides could be painted in a not so bright and cheery light.
This is also not a good light for Cornell University. Was there an attempt to cover this up by the university? Legit question.
As Best as I can Tell Cornell shut down the Frat immediately and suspended/expelled the students involved.
Frankly Jane Doe should have been expelled too.
Todate I am not aware of any conduct on the part of Cornell that contributed to this – or covered it up.
Generally universities go over the top the other way – the mere claim of rape will get male students expelled – without evidence.
This mess started under Obama. Trump has tried unsuccessfully to fix it.
I beleive Jane Doe is suing Cornell and/or the Frat. The latter is appropriate. She should sue everyone who provided her with Alcohol and drugs – that is assuming that she was not using fake ID.
There will be discovery issues as to Whether Cornell knew there were issues with the Fraterinty and ignored them.
In a civil lawsuit it does not matter if the conduct was criminal or consensual, just whether those being sued contributed to it, and whether it was harmful or not.
Depending on what evidence is found – I could potentially find for Jane Doe and against Cornell and the Frat.
as to the other students – Jane Doe is going to have to produce evidence that has not been made public that overcomes the evidence that has.
Absolutely there are substance abuse crimes evident in this case. Those do NOT necescarily involve the “”cornell 7”
Jane Doe consumed significant alcohol before coming to the Frat Party. Those are crimes committed by people unrfelated to the Frat.
Further though usually minor – seeking and consuming alcohol while underage is ALSO a Crime – so Jane Doe is guilty of that.
Marijuana for personal use may be legal in NY – but dealing is not. Where did the Pot come from ?
Allegedly Ketamine was involved – providing the Ketamine is drug dealing.
The people responsible for these crime may or may not overlap those having sex with Jane Doe.
Cornell immediately shut down the Fraternity – that seems appropriate.
But anyone providing Jane Do OR ANYONE ELSE underage with alcohol should be prosecuted.
Anyone providing others with drugs should be prosecuted.
But there is no evidence todate that the sax was not entirely consensual.
Those boys are screwed as far as justice.
The whole point is that NY has announced that there will be no justice for any male involved.
I once had sex with a woman I never would have consented to had I not been drunk. Am I a victim? hey Tish!!!
For the record, if a fraternity member receives a group text advertising “free pussy,” what is the correct response? According to Turley, ” it is hard to imagine anyone believing that a student in her condition was capable of giving knowing consent.” He obviously doesn’t know the commenters on his column.
Is any one here commenting today at that party in 2024?
And let’s keep in mind that 2 of the Cornell Seven are black, 1 hispanic and 1 asian. How nice, a plurality finally. What more could liberals ask for?
Out of curiosity, how did you determine the race of the participants. Among the seven, I could see a couple names might believe are Hispanic. Kretzschmar has a German origin which may mean nothing after generations. No media source I’ve seen indicates ethnic backgrounds. Chi Phi doesn’t have a reputation for the diversity you suggest, especially with Black members. What is your source?
And what is your source? Not that anon but I also saw the info on the internet over the weekend in numerous X accounts from self appointed pundits and a couple websites.
You’re suggesting that the fraternity is racist? Interesting. Ever consider that blacks didn’t have the scores to get into Cornell in the first place? Or maybe, just maybe, didn’t want to attend Cornell? Or Chi Phi is selective; that’s the point of a fraternity and if not mistaken, blacks have their own fraternities nationwide.
Good thing James is black, she’ll definitely make sure every white who ever attended Cornell, including the staff, is implicated if not charged. And sentenced to prison and that families are destroyed every way possible.
Ah, such a melting pot America is.
What is my source of what in particular? That Chi Phi has a history of racism? I’m beginning to suspect that you aren’t a member of a fraternity, perhaps you never went to college. Here’s a brief summary:
Chi Phi’s “Southern Order,” founded at UNC in 1858, was created in the antebellum South and operated within a whites‑only social structure typical of pre‑Civil War fraternal organizations.
This is not unique to Chi Phi — nearly all 19th‑century fraternities were racially exclusionary — but it is part of Chi Phi’s institutional DNA.
Chi Phi’s national history mirrors the broader pattern documented in fraternity scholarship:
Whites‑only membership clauses persisted into the mid‑20th century.
Many chapters resisted integration until the 1960s–1970s.
Chi Phi’s Southern chapters were among the slowest to integrate.
This is consistent with the fraternity’s own historical timeline, which shows no meaningful racial diversification until late in the 20th century.
Modern Chi Phi chapters have faced racism allegations
Although your search results focus on hazing, multiple Chi Phi chapters nationally have been investigated for:
Racially discriminatory behavior
Racially hostile environments
Exclusion of Black and non‑white students from recruitment
Cornell’s IFC fraternities have extremely low Black membership, according to Cornell’s own DEI reports.
Chi Phi at Cornell has no publicly documented Black members and no reported racial‑diversity initiatives.
The chapter’s social environment has been described by students (in non‑archived reporting and campus forums) as overwhelmingly white.
None of this proves active racist misconduct at Cornell’s chapter — but it does place the chapter within a historically white, exclusionary fraternity tradition.
The lack of Black membership in Cornell’s predominantly white fraternities isn’t because Black students couldn’t get into Cornell but made different choices like becoming members of fraternities that look like them and are more accepting. Cornell University has multiple fraternities (and sororities) where students of Black, Hispanic, and Asian heritage might feel more welcome. Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity was founded at Cornell in 1906.
ΑΦΑ – Alpha Phi Alpha, 1906 (NPHC, NIC)
ΚΑΨ – Kappa Alpha Psi, 1978 (NPHC, NIC)
ΦΒΣ – Phi Beta Sigma, 1979 (NPHC, formerly NIC)
ΛΥΛ – Lambda Upsilon Lambda, 1982 (NALFO)
ΠΔΨ – Pi Delta Psi, 1998 (NAPA)
ΛΦΕ – Lambda Phi Epsilon, 1999 (NAPA, NIC)
I happen to be a member of Phi Beta Sigma fraternity.
So what’s the point? That black fraternities are racist?
“I happen to be a member of Phi Beta Sigma fraternity.” So as a frat member you’re saying that you raped someone too?
Black fraternities (like HBCUs) generally formed when they were denied the same opportunities as whites. Ironically, the sole exception, Alpha Phi Alpha, was founded at Cornell.
Nowhere have I suggested that belonging to a fraternity, even a white one, makes you a rapist. If pressed, I might call you an idiot.
But what is the point of a fraternity, develop character or brag about sexual conquests?
Denied opps.? So what? It doesn’t surprise people that because of poor character traits that blacks were denied opportunities i.e., lack of people skills, or any skills, inability to interact with other races, public insults etc. You think only skin color matters in life? You learned nothing in your 3rd rate black college.
No one cares about black fraternities, not even blacks. That you claim membership in a black frat one only indicates that you have a weak ego.
I can see why you post anonymously.
EB – just because you do not like facts does not make them false or racist.
We know what it takes toi succeed in life today – getting to the middle class from poverty is near certain – IF YOU DO NOT SCREW UP.
The difference in outcomes between poor blacks and poor whites is non-existant.
The differences in outcomes between middle class and rich blacks and whites is non existant.
But black or white there are strong differences between the poor, the middle class and the rich.
Some of those differences are innate. One of the strongest correlations in the social sciences is between IQ and success.
Some of the differences are cultural – and those can be learned or overcome.
Graduate from High School.
Do not become addicted to and preferably do not take drugs – or even alcohol.
Do not commit crimes.
Get a job – even a crappy one.
Do it well so that you can get a batter one.
Show up on time.
Do not get into sexual relationships before you are actually interested in relationship
Do not get married until you can afford to.
Do not have children until you are married and can afford to.
Do these things and you will succeed.
In the average upper middle class family Everyone over the age of 18 has a job. The norm is 3 out of every 5 people in the upper middle class has a job.
In the average lower class family there is 1 job for every 10 adults.
If those in the lower class had minimum wage jobs in the same proportion as the upper middle class – they would be middle class.
The middle class was initially created by FHA and VA financing which excluded Black people. You’ll never accept the long term effects of that.
Trying to drag your posts back to the topic,
We do not as of yet KNOW the race of anyone involved in this.
Nor does it seem to have the slightest relevance,.
But entirely aside from the discussion of whether this is rape – absent new facts it is not.
There is zero doubt that is young adults behaving badly.
This case is laced with bad behavior.
You ask if texting “free pussy” makes this a crime.
NO, but it is still abasolutely disgusting.
Jane Doe behave abysmally.
The 7 men behaved equally badly.
The fraternity behave badly.
This incident is a perfect example that all bad conduct is NOT a crime.
Has this changed in 50+ years ? I think so – nothing like this happened at any college I ever attended – and definitely not at a top college. But maybe I am naive about the 70’s
That does not change that this is BAD CONDUCT all arround.
Aside from the dug and alcohol crimes no one should be prosecuted.
EVERYONE should be expelled.
This is pretty much exactly what I was writing about when I said make good choices and you are near certain to succeed in life. This will be a major obstacle to the future success of ALL those involved – and rightly so.
Who wants an employee who thought it was acceptable to have sex with 7 men in one night while drunk and on drugs ?
Who wants and employee that was one of several men who participated in a gang bang while drunk and on drugs ?
Jane Doe is purportedly having all kinds of problems – DUH ?
Further this was not a “turning point event”. This was not even a Matt Gaetz night of debauchery (or fill in long list of democrats).
This was elite near certain far left leaning college students.
Was this representative of all college students today ?
Probably not, statistically teens and young adults are having far far less sex than prior generations.
Statistically teens and young adults lean farther left that prior generations.
I wonder if there is a relationship ?
Almost certainly is. If the left was not successful at recruiting – arguably via public school and college political indoctrination – they would go extinct. I believe the reproduction rate for left wing couples is about 0.7.
I agree we don’t know the races involved. I responded to someone who claimed he did.
” even a white one, makes you a rapist. “
Enigma: One has to wonder why you inserted that sentence.
How would you feel if I wrote: Nowhere have I suggested that belonging to a fraternity, even a black one, makes you a rapist.
The discussion wasn’t with you, but someone who did suggest belonging to a Black fraternity made one a rapist. That’s the problem with trolling; you generally miss out on the discussions that came before.
Please point out where someone said that belonging to a black fraternity made you a rapist ?
A poster ASKED YOU – based on YOUR POST whether that was YOUR CLAIM.
That was a reach – but significantly less than YOUR constant claims that everything is about Race, and that nothing has changed since 1858, or 1970 or that anything about 1858 is relevant to colleges today.
You wish to claim that Chi Phi members in 1858 would have fit in well in the KKK – and might well have all or mostly been in the KKK – that is a credible argument.
SPLC claims there are 20 KKK “affliated” groups in 7 states in the US today. Only 5 of these actually claim to be KKK.
In Charlottesville there was a KKK rally a week BEFORE the Unite the right rally – 5 people showed up.
There are more than 1000 times as many people who identify as DSA than as KKK.
Is Racism gone today ? Nope. Will it ever be gone ? Nope – while white supremecists still exists – the worst Racism in the US for DECADES has been targeting Jews – which are a TINY portion of the country and the world.
There are only 20M jews int he entire world today and nearly all of them are in the US and Israel.
Worse anti-semitism in Europe – particularly as they have invited thousands of mideasterners to the EU is so great the last remaining Jews in Europe are headed to Israel. 7M jews were killed in the Holocaust – there are likely not 7,000 jews in Europe today. Guess what Hitler succeeded – aided massively by PROGRESSIVES – both THEN and NOW.
Following behind racism against Jews – mostly by PROGRESSIVES, is Racism against Asians – again mostly by Progressive.
unarguably left dominated colleges are doing to asians today what they did to Jews in the 50’s If Harvard can tell from your resume your asian – your not getting addmitted.
The next largest victim of racism in the US today is young white men.
“So what’s the point? That black fraternities are racist?
“I happen to be a member of Phi Beta Sigma fraternity.” So as a frat member you’re saying that you raped someone too?”
“But what is the point of a fraternity, develop character or brag about sexual conquests?
Denied opps.? So what? It doesn’t surprise people that because of poor character traits that blacks were denied opportunities i.e., lack of people skills, or any skills, inability to interact with other races, public insults etc. You think only skin color matters in life? You learned nothing in your 3rd rate black college.
No one cares about black fraternities, not even blacks. That you claim membership in a black frat one only indicates that you have a weak ego.”
Those came from one of the “Someone’s”
Enigma, I saw that, but I still don’t understand why you would say, “even a white one, makes you a rapist.”
Ill accept that you don’t understand it, even in context. Wasn’t intended for you.
Enigma, I understood the context and someone else did to which prompted him to ask a related question.
What would make you say, ““even a white one, makes you a rapist.”?
You didn’t even include my whole response. Trying to frame my answer? I owe you, who wasn’t the intended recipient, no explanation.
Enigma, if you felt that your “whole response” was necessary, you would have posted it. Go ahead; do so and make your argument.
I did post my entire response, to the person I was talking to. You abbreviated it, for who knows what reason. I owe you no explanation and certainly not an argument. Go away, troll!
“I did post my entire response, to the person I was talking to. “
Enigma, I addressed your original post.
” even a white one, makes you a rapist. “
How would you feel if I wrote: Nowhere have I suggested that belonging to a fraternity, even a black one, makes you a rapist.
The person I was talking to did. And you cut short my response which altered the meaning. Go away troll!
So what ? HBCU’s have a few white students. An the whole colleges across the country over-represent blacks based on their academic achievement in HS, But generally represent them proportionate to their percent of the population.
But they massively over represent black women and massively under represent black men.
Regardless, your arguments have Several False premises.
First that past is present. We are 25 years into the 21st century. It is not 1858. It is not even 1975.
Even the professors at todays colleges Were not there in the 70’s.
Student bodies, administrations and professors are by super majorities PROGRESSIVE.
If there is racism in todays universities – it is BY THE LEFT.
Do not try to blame your racial and political nonsense on the right.
YOU OWN colleges and universities – if they are F#$Ked up – look in the mirror.
Next you presume that all things distribute evenly.
If the rate of some Cancer in the US is 1 in 100,000 and some community has a rate of 6 in 100,000 that is NOT proof there is something wrong in that community – averages do not mean homogenity. A cancer rate that is 1:100,000 over 350M people has many places where it is 10 times higher and 10 times lower. With near certainty it distributes NATURALLY on a bell curve.
Separately somethings distribute unevenly for Good reasons. Blacks particularly male athletes make up many times more than their proportional representation in sports. That is not afirmative action, that is the fact that even a slight shift in the distribution of one attribute while making only a tiny shift in averages – will have RADICAL differences at the tails.
A randomly selected black person may only have a 51 in 100 chance of being batter in sports than a randomly selected white person. But that will still mean there are 10 times as many blacks 3 std devs from the norm as whites.
Left wing nuts do not understand statistics. Blacks are disproportionately represented in sports, and in music
Black men are disproportionately negatively represented in college – using Race NEUTRAL criteria.
The same race NEUTRAL criteria that result in 3 black women in college for every black man.
I was speaking about the representation of white people in Black fraternities.
Your imagining that anything in America is race-neutral is something you convinced yourself of to justify the status quo. The explanation for over representation of Black athletes has to do with the effort of people who concentrated on their limited options. The reason Black men are underrepresented in colleges has much to do with over policing and mass incarceration, among other things you’ll never accept. Enjoy the rest of your day. I’ve reached my limit for wasting my time.
EB – unless you are privy to something the rest of us do not know – we are not privy to the race of anyone involved in this.
And none of those involved are claiming anything regarding Race.
YOU are injecting race from thin air as you always do.
I could care less about you “history of racism” in Chi Phi and elsewhere.
Is Race a factor in THIS case ? You have provided no evidence it is.
Is Chi Phi racist TODAY ? I do not give a Schiff if Chi Phi was racist in 1858 – everyone was racist in 1858.
Even Lincoln wanted to free black slaves and sent them back to Africa.
As with all left wing nuts – you hold everyone alive today for the sins not just of their fathers, but of others of losely the same race for generations past – but only if they were white.
No cuplability for blacks who owned slaves or indians who owned slaves or whites enslaved by north african and mideasterners.
I am of Irish scotch and apparently a tiny bit of ashkanazi jewish decent My ancestors NEVER enslaved anyone, but were enslaved by others. Irish indentured servants in the new world were treated worse than slaves. Slaves were owned, Indentured servants are rented and as they say no one cleans a rental car. Regardless they left Ireland – often in “slave ships” not voluntarily – died in large numbers crossing, but were leaving conditions in Ireland as bad or worse than slavery in the US.
The Irish were “bonded to the land” – they could not leave. Their owners could kill them without consequence. If the land was sold – they went with it.
But you left wing nuts do not give a schiff about anything that disrupts your naratives.
More than half of the blacks enslaved in Africa were transported tot he mid east. They were castrated and about 1/3 died on the trip. But because they could not reproduce – there is little evidence today of african slavery in the mideast.
And the left fawns over islam that enslaved 50 times more blacks than americans.
Regardless, I am sure that all fraternities in the past were racist, anti-semitic, mysoginist …
At the same time I know that when I was at GA Tech in the lat 70s the Fraternities on Fraternity row had black members.
No Racism is not part of some “institutional DNA” it is part of the culture of the times.
“This is consistent with the fraternity’s own historical timeline, which shows no meaningful racial diversification until late in the 20th century.”
We are 1/4 of the way through the 21st Century. The 70’s were 50 years ago.
Most of the “racist” you are ranting about are DEAD.
Black males make up about 5% of the college population. Black women make up about 20%.
That means that if all fraterinities allocate members by proportion of the student body there MIGHT be 1 black male in each male fraternity.
But in the real world things do NOT distribute evenly by race. Athletic fraternities are predominantly black.
Academic ones rarely have black members.
I didn’t inject race. The person I was responding to claimed two of the men were Black, one Hispanic, and Asian.
I have no desire to see fraternities and sororities reflect the population. Academic fraternities like Phi Beta Kappa have many Black members, once they started letting them in. I confess to being far more familiar with the Black fraternities (which have white members). You’re free to believe white fraternities have greatly evolved since the 1970s.
Because their names and photos have been plastered all over the Internet, you ass clown
I’ve seen all the names and photos. Tell me the races of everyone involved. I can’t do it.
You being an expert on all things black, how is it when black culture (used loosely of course) uses the “Ho” degradation characterization in films, music etc. , that you have no issue with that, but when an unknown boy sends one text about a girl willingly to participate in a gangbang, you finally have an issue with it? Rumor has it one of the black kids sent the text. Comment please.
Attached is a story including a photo included in the complaint of the text messages.
https://www.cornellsun.com/article/2026/09/tccsuykuvb4z?utm_source=copilot.com
Jonathan Newell sent the text. I’ve seen a photo of Mr. Newell. Even being an “expert on all things Black” I don’t know what his ethnicity is.
You have no idea what I’m okay with, nor that the girl expressed any willingness to be in a gang bang. You should spend less time on rumors and work with facts.
BTW, thank you for asking so nicely for a comment, That’s the reason I bothered.
Take some advice, you should spend less time on rumors and work with facts.
Considering nobody has any facts, its only natural to work off rumors, just like the liberal MSM.
Here’s an example of a combination of facts and opinion where the opinions are clearly labeled as such. You working off rumors comes down to making things up.
https://medium.com/the-polis/former-cornell-student-charges-seven-frat-boys-with-rape-police-do-nothing-and-college-does-little-a3c4f61a238b?postPublishedType=repub
“He obviously doesn’t know the commenters on his column.”
With the exception of the annony, I do not think it would occur to most of us to have sex with someone who was in a condition to the point she was unable to give knowing consent. That is just creepy.
And, I would not want to be in the same room with another naked guy who is sexually aroused. That is just way too weird.
EB – the Frat is screwed here – no matter what. They provided alcohol to minors.
With respect to the “text” – that depends on lots of details – it could be damning in a civil case, but it does not change anything in a criminal one.
This case is revolting – but that does not make the sex rape.
In the real world some porn stars have actually advertised gang bangs looking to set the record for having sex with the most men in a single event. Is that a crime ? Does the advertisement make it a crime ?
Again all of this is disturbing. But the evidence we have is that Jane Doe ability to consent was not taken from her by these Frat Boys – who were give or take as hiugh and drunk as she was. That she was asked for consent and did give it to each and every act that took place and that she periodically said no – and that was honored.
Decertity the Fraternity – expel everyone involved – including Jane Doe. But the only crimes were providing alcohol to minors. And drug dealing.
Absolutely Jane Doe was beyond consent – as were most of the males involved. But in NY and 20 other states – if you get yourself into the state where your consent is not meaningful – that is your problem. You can not choose to get drunk and/or high go to a Frat intent on having sex and then cry rape. And Jane Doe has admitted all of that.
You are arguing that once a person is drunk – any sex with this is rape – you are arguing strict liability or a version of statutory rape that is not in the law.
If two people are drunk – and all those involved were drunk – who is it that committed the crime ?
Why is it you are claiming that Drunk and High Jane Doe was raped by Drunk and High Frat Boys.
Why is it not just as true that drunk and high Frat Boys were raped by Jane Doe.
There is LOTS of evidence that she came to the Frat specifically to have sex.
Just to be clear I do not like NY’s consent law – though I think it is correct in THIS CASE.
A recent case in my community a cab driver was convicted of sexually assaulting a drunk passenger.
I think that conviction is appropriate. While the women got drunk on her own, and allowed the Cabie to escort her to her apartment and then consented to sex – The cab driver had a duty, and was not drunk.
I love it when people tell me what I believe and what I’m arguing. I think the Sorority which gave her drinks while she was underage shares responsibility. It was her sorority; they knew her age. The bar which gave her alcohol after the doorman marked both of her wrists as underage was civilly liable. I don’t especially blame the second bar where she apparently wasn’t served, but there may be information I’m unaware of. I never claimed statutory rape, she was twenty and able to consent to sex in New York. I don’t know how you arrive at her giving consent each and every step of the way. She may have agreed to a threesome. You’ll have to document she invited the rest of the frat to have “free pussy.” The ketomine is a problem for the frat, there’s no suggestion she brought it with her. I don’t see evidence (it may exist) that all of the men involved were drunk or high (on their own supply). Being drunk doesn’t excuse anything legally. If you rob a bank or commit murder while drunk, try using that as an excuse. If all involved were drunk (nowhere near proven) the ones that committed the crimes were responsible. Is being raped a crime under the New York Penal Code?
While we’re on the subject of New York law. I have a question I’ve never heard a good answer to. In New York, designated offenders including:
DNA is collected from “designated offenders” — meaning people convicted of qualifying offenses — including:
All felonies (New York expanded its databank to cover all felony convictions)
Select misdemeanors, including: sexual abuse, forcible touching, unlawful surveillance, and certain assault charges
Youthful offender adjudications for qualifying crimes
Once collected, profiles are entered into New York’s State DNA Identification Index (SDIS), which feeds into the federal CODIS (Combined DNA Index System) national database.
Donald Trump seems to have qualified for having committed 34 felonies in New York and having been found liable for acts which included sexual touching and sexual abuse.
Why was his DNA never taken and compared to the National Database?