In the video below, Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin credits and praises a Kenyan Minister named Thomas Muthee with helping her to achieve the Alaskan governorship through prayer. It turns out the Muthee also hunts down witches and makes Rev. John Hagee look positively normal.
At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Muthee had laid his hands on her:
“As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way. And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
For an update and video of the blessing (including to be protected from witchcraft), click here.
She might also have enlisted him in some good old witch hunting. After founding the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya, Muthee reportedly says that he spoke with God and was called to the United States where he would be embraced by Palin and her church. While in Kenya, he says that he discovered that the community was inundated by witchcraft: “We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place.”
He even identified one witch known as Mama Jane, who ran a competing “divination” center called the Emmanuel Clinic. He declared that she was responsible for a rash of car accidents and led a crusade against her — a movement that would trigger calls for her to be stoned to death. She was eventually arrested and then fled the area.
It is certainly an example of “small town values” but perhaps not the quite type that the campaign is looking for.
For the video, click here.
For the full story,click here.
http://dummidumbwit.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/its-the-deregulation-stupid-among-other-things/
I was on the Fundamentalist angle of attack, but a 500 point drop in the stock market makes that seem less troublesome, seriously check out my Palin posts?
First of all we don’t need a “prayer cave” around here as we already have “The Beer Cave” where people go when they want to commune with spirits.
This story is remarkable for how unremarkable it all is. Belief in demons and witchcraft is widely held in fundamentalist churches. There’s a reason that about half of the US population thinks evolution is a lie. This is a profoundly irrational culture. It is scary and it is everywhere.
Jill:
You are assuming that Mama Jane was not in fact a witch. I think that we need to hear the full story from Sarah Palin before we jump to any such conclusions. Don’t forget the traffic accidents. What about the traffic accidents?
We should be clear here that Palin herself is under the influence of a religious cult that believes its members speak in Tongues.
If you’ve ever had the displeasure of attending a Pentacostal service and seen someone speak in Tongues, its quite deranged.
They babble incoherent gibberish and gobbledygook, uttering sounds, grunts, etc, that an interpreter declares the meaning of.
It is primitive, delusional and the notion that such a person under the influence of such a cult could possibly be considered for Vice President is insanity.
I think witches are a protected class and immune from these scurrilous allegations and they should be Vice-Presidents too. Bring on the tanning bed, cousin Sarah’s moving on up to the big house with the “cement pond,” all with the aid of a few potions and spells. Yee-Haw!
There is a test for witches–you can’t put lipstick on a broomstick. The thing just wacks you on the head when you try, forcing you to walk into traffic and perform the miracle of traffic jams. This is how Mama Jane did her work. I know all of this because I use a scrying mirror. This mirror is so powerful it decodes tongue speech.
I was dragged (willingly I admit) to a Pentecostal Assembly of God Church on several occasions. They waved their hands a lot, but quite a few denominations are like that. My biggest complaint is the attempt to use rock bands and the fact that their ministers always remind me of Terry McCauliffe on steroids and crank (greasy car salesman slicks)? But then that’s what John Edwards looks like and I liked him? I’d really rather nod off to pipe organ music even though I’m a Metalhead!! Christian modern (regardless of denomination) music stinks, it don’t have too it just doesn’t get the best and brightest for some reason though I hear Kansas is doing it now?I Close My Eyes, only for a moment…..
I find it scary how alot of these comments are left by one-minded Christians, Atheists or Agnostics saying how they cannot believe that ‘a rational decent christian’ can believe in such a thing as withcraft.
For one their are many serious pagan religions based around ‘witchcraft’ one of them being Wicca which originated from my home country of England. (Read my blog to find out a little more)
I do not believe that anyone of another faith such as Chrisianity should go anywhere near another religion with any intentions other than for interest and understanding and I find it quite sad that they felt they had to pray for the witch’s ’salvation’? I do not wish to offend any Chrisitians but sometimes it seems like the only religion that cannot accept that other people have other beliefs and that is there path without believing they are indefinately wrong. One of my own personal beliefs is that it is impossible to walk the path of righteousness without an open mind
Peace
Crowley
Matt Damon: “It’s like a really bad Disney movie.”
Alaska’s Attorney general said troopergate is “a witch hunt.” Common expression, sure, but under the circumstances … lipstick?
You known Jill, there was some stuff envolving putting lipstick on a broom stick at my bachalor party. But this girl wasn’t no witch. No way, she was nice. I mean really nice.
can’t spell, i noe, ooga booga.
6crowley9
1, September 17, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I find it scary how alot of these comments are left by one-minded Christians, Atheists or Agnostics saying how they cannot believe that ‘a rational decent christian’ can believe in such a thing as withcraft.
For one their are many serious pagan religions based around ‘witchcraft’ one of them being Wicca which originated from my home country of England. (Read my blog to find out a little more
I find it scary you think no one in heres heard of the Wiccans.
It’s scary that Palin quoted Westbrook Pegler in her acceptance speech.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/governor-palins-reading-l_b_126478.html
RFK, Jr. writes, “Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that “some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.”
True witches would be hard to find, most of what is defined as Wicca seems pre christian Goddess worship, not devil worship, you would have to be near one to know, but it is more Earth/Nature a feminine deity that existed prior to Christian conversion in much of Europe and elsewhere. So if you are a fundementalist Christian they are witches and devil worshipers, a non fundamentalist would refer to most Wicca as nature worshipers, same people different definitions? But calling a nature worshiper a Devil or a whatever based on religious beliefs violates the United States Constitution and the British one as well (likely as not).
I heard a guy use an expression that perhaps can be used by Sen. Obama to describe McSame’s economic policies without upsetting the Palin image police. Barack Obama could say:
You can put feathers on a dog, but that don’t make him a chicken.
Much the same could be said about Gov. Palin’s preparedness for her current role.
The reason McCain picked Sarah “I can see Russia from my house” Palin is because her appointment was a quid pro quo to the religous right for their support of McCain. How else do you explain Dobson’s switch to support McCain right after she was named? I wish I could explain the car crashes!
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it.”
Two things come to mind here: 1. god isn’t dead, he’s really stupid and 2. I call these types of christians, “christian triumphalists”. It is clear they are not even bothering with the cover that it’s god’s will to be done. They are on a mission from hell to gain power at all cost and use it to impose their own will. Sarah Palin’s record is exactly that–gain power and impose her will on others. The new lord’s prayer suitable for Alabama courts: “Sarah’s will be done, on earth as it was in Alaska.”
Jill,
Another religous quote that should be amended reads as follows: In Palin We Trust.
CMM,
I know who the Wiccans are. They are the ones who make those chairs, right?
I’d put the jet on Ebay too if I could fly around on a broom like Sarah!!!!
Tina Fey… speaking in tongues….
I can hardly wait!
Pardon Me,
I was thinking I should re-read my Catechism because it probably mentions Palin in their someplace.
rafflaw
1, September 17, 2008 at 10:09 pm
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CMM,
I know who the Wiccans are. They are the ones who make those chairs, right?
Yea… that IKEA sh$t I think…
“Thou shalt not keep the sheep ailin’?”
According to the Wasilla Assembly of God fall schedule, Bishop Muthee will be returning to the church this weekend…
PDF: http://app.razorplanet.com/acct/40149-8554/resources/UpcomingEventsFall08.pdf
DE
Audio of two sermons given by Bishop Muthee are available at the KingsGate Church website…
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Articles/3516/Kingsgate_Community_Church/Resources/Teaching/Download_Sunday_Messages.aspx
At about 16:30 of the first sermon, Mr. Muthee recounts meeting a woman who told him that her prayers resurrected a dead child brought to some sort of prayer meeting in Bolivia. Muthee declares that he longs for such meetings.
At about 23:45 of the second sermon, Mr. Muthee declares that the more violent and committed believers become the quicker they will see things happen in their communities.
I’m at the point where I’d like to know the extent of Governor Palin’s relationship with the strange Mr. Muthee.
DE
A minor correction…
In my post about the Muthee sermons, what I called the first sermon is actually the second and vice versa. The sermons are listed in reverse order on the KingsGate site. Grr.
Mr. Turley… feel free to edit my comment.
Thanks.
Dark Energy,
I wasn’t able to find Muthee’s sermons on KingGate, although it looks like a wonderful site. Do you have a more specific link?
Thanks,
Jill
Jill,
Direct links to the audio clips of Mr. Muthee’s sermons…
Service 1
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Media/PlayMedia.aspx?download=file&media_id=219&file_id=279
Service 2
http://www.kingsgateuk.com/Media/PlayMedia.aspx?download=file&media_id=220&file_id=280
Mama Jane a witch?!! Please!!!!
If you lived in Kenya, you would understand that traffic accidents are not caused by supernatural forces but rather through pure human error and stupidity. Name any major highway in Kenya and my guess is you will find a record of hundreds, if not thousands of accidents that have happened on it. This is due to the EXTREMELY poor state and maintenance of practically all roads in the country. Secondly, try and find a Kenyan who has never or who doesnt know anyone that has driven while drunk! We are talking here of a country where thousands of motorists drive drunk EVERY SINGLE DAY. The popular saying is that the `car will find its way home’ if its owner is too drunk to do it himself.
So, the theory of traffic accidents on Kiambu road can be easily discounted just by those two examples, not to mention overspeeding by both motorists and public transport vehicles (Matatus).
And as for charlatans such as Pastor Muthee, well, he is not the first one (nor will he be the last one apparently) to claim some God-given gift for sniffing out witches. Thousands of churches such as his have mushroomed all over the country, preying on a superstitious citizenry that will believe anything that promises to alleviate their fears and sufferings. And yes, someone DOES go laughing all the way to the bank after the dust settles, and that someone is Pastor Muthee and his fellow witchunters. Religion is BIG business in Kenya, believe me.
Dark Energy,
Is there anywhere where I can find Muthee’s sermons in text rather than as audio files that you know of?
Peace Crowley
6crowley9,
I haven’t come across any transcripts of sermons by Bishop Muthee. Sorry.
DE
It doesn’t matter, I heard that the broom Sarah was flying around on lost power when the Market dropped 500 points, and the she was last heard in the Bering Sea shouting I’m Melting!!!! Melting!!!!
http://dummidumbwit.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/sarah-palin-updates/
I elaborated on the previous remark?
I know of only one sure fire way to determine whether Mama Jane (or Sarah Palin for that matter) is a witch:
There’s so much Gov Palin can do for mankind. Think of her potential. Embedded in her head is her subservience to the male authority figure through extreme religion-a big plus if you’re a Neo Con seeking a religious war and an obedient theobot.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/palin_speaks_to_god.html
Sarah will probably do alright, but it may be too late. John McCain didn’t realize he needed the guy who promised to get Auto Jobs back in Michigan and managed to get elected Governor of Massachusetts as a Republican, but that’s hindsight, Obama and the Axelrod Machine are too smooth and Bubba’s down in Florida acting right like he always ends up doing? Obama is more centrist than you think just ask Limbaugh and Buchanan when they aren’t spouting red meat.And Michelle will keep him out of trouble for 8 years, they are more balanced and regular people.
dummidumbwit
1, October 1, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Sarah will probably do alright
Alright at what?
The debate alone will be OK, Biden will have to handle it w/o noun verb and 9/11 quips and Sarah will please those who like Sarah and the election will be settled on other matters
Well, that remains to be seen, but given her performance in just simple interviews I’m doubting she’ll do “ok”.
If Biden blows it then its his problem but if she were debating me, she’d be crying before the first 10 minutes were up.
I’d just ask her questions.
CMM,
You are correct that Palin will be a mess tomorrow night. If she can’t handle easy questions from Katie Couric, what is she going to do with harder and more specific questions in front of millions?
I’ve never heard answers like hers Raff from a politician. I’ve heard BS before. In fact I hear it a lot. But she sounded like a High School cheerleader coming to grip with the idea that beauty school may have been a better choice than college.
She couldn’t even name a newspaper, which means she lied, she doesn’t read the paper. She also said she thought people were upset about “Joe sixpack” being there and she’s right.
We’re talking about running the most technologically advanced military super power in the world. I’d like someone other than Larry the Cable guy at the controls, you know? I’d like to be led by someone smarter than me.
As an American I feel that I have that right.
CMM,
Larry the Cable is far more qualified than Palin!
Right now I feel like the RNC is standing up Popeye and Olive Oil for President and Vice President.
I’d like to see the ticket brought up at least to the intellectual level of Max and 99.
Your misunderstanding me, the way thing are going in the #’s Sarah Palin will be an irrelevant Assembly of God Pentecostal only troubling Alaskan’s in the near future and I can go back to worrying what the local Pentecostal’s in Illinois are up too and forget her regardless of the debate, Joe might trip her up, but it may no longer matter, likely as not? I’m more interested in Bubba finally kicking some butt in Florida.
Palin is witch-free!
http://www.light-to-dark.com/witches_tongues_and_sara_palin.html
She winked at me!!! I’m bewitched!!! Call a priest!!! I’m Doomed!!! I’m melting melting!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Call Doctor Bombay.
Lthuedk,
Your work is fantastic.
DE
Between Palin’s scary take on Jesus and her love of Dick Cheney I sort of get that Armageddon feeling. Norman Podhoretz, inventor of the word Islamofascist and a founding Neo Con, would like nothing more than to see such a theobot elected.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/sarah_cheney.html
Thank you (!) DE
McCain, having been the 2000 Maverick, who was having a crossover appeal to conservative Democrats is still thinking (correctly probably) that it is his job to appeal to the middle. Palin is doing the base and is effective because the base wants to hear “white Flag of Surrender, Shining City on the Hill and Get the Government out of out way” It’s our job to paint the picture of Reagan clones being in the way of everyone else in the country? Bush copied Reagan to the letter deficit funded military expenditures, deregulate everything and gimmicky tax give backs of real unimportance to the middle and much importance to the top end? So instead of being a Religious Zealot and an embarrassment, Palin is doing the base work for John McCain, the issues are returning to the top where they belong and Sarah does provide interest and color as well as a rallying point for our base to examine the real issues, Reagan vs FDR?