Now, here is a respondeat superior case: a tourist goes to a bar in Goa, India where he is beaten to death by the staff for being rude. This is what the family says happened to Austrialian John Kelly, 65, at the Club City Restaurant.
Goa has become a very dangerous place for tourists of late. 15-year-old British tourist Scarlett Keeling was recently raped and left for dead by two local men in Goa.
In Kelly’s case, the staff cited an “arrogant attitude” when he entered the barn around 8 am on the day that he arrived in the city. He probably thought “club” in Club City referred to a social gathering rather than a weapon of choice for the staff.
Security staff reportedly joined the attack in tearing his clothes and beating him. He died 10 hours after being attacked at the bar at Calangute. Police have denied accusations of a delay in taking any action in the case.
Before I start, I’d like to make clear that I don’t consider rudeness justification for killing in any circumstance. It’s a clearly disproportionate response. But there is that caveman/lizard part of our brains that should not be ignored. As a species, we are not that far from the savanna and figuring out how pointed sticks work.
Robert Heinlein wrote a story in which everyone was required to carry firearms and dueling was reinstated as a valid method of dispute resolution. The short term effect was a drastic increase in murders. albeit legal ones. The long term effect was a drastic increase in manners and civility. Although I find this sentiment revolting at one level, the logic behind it seems sound.
Rudeness has permeated modern life. Ever has someone start texting during a conversation like no one else was in the room? Drive like an idiot because they were on the phone or their iPod has stolen their brain? A clerk being hostile because you had the audacity to ask them to do their job? Someone just acting like a jerkwad because it’s Tuesday?
While murder is an extreme solution, perhaps the laws against assault and/or battery should have more exceptions. Not dueling per se, but certain situations where just knocking the crap out of someone is encouraged within reasonable unarmed limits. There is a saying in rural America, “There’s nothing wrong with that boy that a good old fashion country ass whuppin wouldn’t cure.” There is some wisdom in that as much as I hate to admit it. Violence is never the best option, but a certain percentage of people won’t behave without physical threat – that’s a fact of human nature. You all know someone like this. You probably can’t stand them, but you know someone fitting this bill. They may be your client or the guy down the street. You may share an office with them. My sympathies if you share a roof with them.
Doubt this is human nature? Watch “Cops” or any of their brethren. Those shows would have zero “entertainment value” without them. Or consider the following:
Would Bush have grown into the arrogant sociopathic criminal he is today if along his little drunken coked up journey more people had knocked him on his spoiled half-witted ass? He’s obviously reality and logic proof, but would the beatings and possible repeat performances have taught him proper behavior concerning respect for others? Even if he didn’t/couldn’t intellectually understand why? Would it have given him a greater respect for human life to have that smirk punched off his face a few times? To have suffered immediate retribution physically for his bad actions and stupidity?
I can only say, “Perhaps.” Some dogs you have to whack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper to keep them from chewing up the couch.
I see that there is another pot that needs stirring, good Turley bloggers, so I’ll leave this for your consideration, critique and certainly scathing criticisms.
The Indian Police are particularly adept at ‘keeping watch’ in Kashmir while their fellow Indians take Pakistani pregnant women, rape them cut open their wombs and stuff them with burning rags while burning the letters “OM” on their foreheads–while they’re still alive.
But alas, let’s give the Indians Nuclear Technology; after all, they’re far more civilized than the Pakistanis and the Chinese.
“Before I start, I’d like to make clear that I don’t consider rudeness justification for killing in any circumstance.”
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Well I do. Seriously, the law takes some notice that adequate provocation can cause people to snap. Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over. It is not justification for but only in mitigation of guilt and hence reduction in punishment.
Looks like he was an obnoxious drunk (news reports), which is not uncommon for Western tourists in Goa. Hardly grounds for murder or manslaughter but not exactly the basis for being an “innocent victim”.
There is never a reason to “snap” and start hitting someone for their words. Children react that way. So do the mentally challenged.
But ADULTS, are expected to know that words do not injure them, and can be tolerated in all circumstances.
What you two are advocating is a return to primitive society, where the physically strong would rule in society and the weaker citizens, which naturally would include women, children, the old and the handicapped, would take a back seat to those who could pummel them with their fists should they get out of line.
Which is why we invented guns. Guns were created to level the playing field. After all, history had shown us that the physically superior were seldom the intellectual superior, so the handgun leveled the playing field in our early western frontier.
Eventually, we learned that guns, nor fists were the way to solve ANY issue, and were merely the bastion of the dull, ignorant and immature, when their brains couldn’t keep up with their mouths.
What you adovcate, would immediately place all but the strong in society in the dominant roles and would remove the advances in equal rights and turn America into one big “cage match”.
Its a stupid idea, and someone should punch you in the mouth for suggesting it.
I differentiate between common rudeness (texting during a conversation, being a stupid drunk) and provocation (What did you say about my mother?, Get away from my kids.). Deliberate provocation may merit violence (beating someone threatening your child) or it may not (beating someone for calling you a dick). My personal line is a credible threat of violence or an attacker actually being stupid enough to touch me. I prefer no violence at all as violence against others is ultimately violence against self, but sometimes it is required. For the record, I feel hand guns are for cowards – designed with one purpose and that is killing humans. If you talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Any candyass punk can pull a trigger. It takes a Man or a Woman to fight.
And CMM, I suspect you can be a deeply silly person. Cage match, indeed. I have to disagree. It’s not that violence is THE solution, it’s that with some people violence is the only option open. You can punch me in the mouth for suggesting it, but if you take a good long look at the spectrum of human behavior I think you might see my point. I’d rather reason than break a limb, but what do you do with the reason proof attacker?
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm
I differentiate between common rudeness (texting during a conversation, being a stupid drunk) and provocation (What did you say about my mother?, Get away from my kids.). Deliberate provocation may merit violence (beating someone threatening your child
The law does not give you permission to “beat” someone who has only verbally threatened your child.
And “threatening” your child may be a broad thing. For example, if some old man who your little darling has been tossing rocks at his yard, hollers “I’m gonna kill you kids”, he is not really threatening your kids, but some parents could construe it that way.
People say all sorts of things in society, and what you are advocating is “vigalante” justice based on a persons ability and proclivity to determine what someone else is saying or thinking. The law does not permit this, thankfully, and instead we are able to walk around in public without beating each other when the mood struck us, which the anarchistic laws you are suggesting, would facilitate.
Its amazing to me in this day and age, the best children our parents could produce want to return our society which is already falling backwards, to an ignorant, archaic lowbrow society where big mouth brutes rule, and everyone else takes their physical step in the totem pole.
America is moving towards an all out IDIOCRACY, and when smart people like you suggest we move closer to anarchy than further from it, it looks like we’re almost there.
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm
For the record, I feel hand guns are for cowards – designed with one purpose and that is killing humans. If you talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Any candyass punk can pull a trigger. It takes a Man or a Woman to fight
For the record, they are not. Guns were what made decent society possible, in a violent world where only the largest, physically strongest males dominated, and everyone else was forced to submit to their will. Then, smart people (Chinese) invented something called “gun poweder”, and we suddenly realized that not necessarly the biggest, lowest brow brute wins the day, but the smartest. So smart became cool, and size worship was left for the members of society whose brains had not yet co-equally evolved with their progressive brethren who understand that the difference between man and beast, was not only our opposing thumbs which could be used to make a club out of our magnificantly advanced hands, but our big, fat, brains.
Cro Magnum Man
1, October 10, 2008 at 12:20 pm
And CMM, I suspect you can be a deeply silly person.
Guilty as charged.
And for the record, what makes America physically strong, is not the breast beating corn fed Iowa linebackers the conservative Christians are pumping out like rabbits, but the spectacled pocket protected geeks designing, integrating and maintaining our advanced technological offensive and defensive superiority.
So once more, we see that its the lowbrow throwbacks who worship the talking monkey’s who are more adept at bopping their fellow monkey over the head, and the rest of society is busy emerging into a wonderful new world of scientific wonders that our forefathers could have never even dreamed.
And you know what the really scary thing is here?
The really scary thing is that you’re in here, advocating this new relaxed policy on violence, in a thread where a group of normal people beat a single 65 year old man to death, simply for being a sloppy drunk.
Wow, talk about not having a sense of humor. And walk a mile in a man’s shoes before laying on that thick, smartass.
And in case you haven’t been watching the news, law doesn’t mean a lot anymore beyond academic discussion.
I have been watching the news. And folks like you are busy screaming “FIRE, FIRE” in a crowded movie house.
A while back at a White Snake concert there was a fire, and lots of people were killed. Only they weren’t killed by the fire. They were killed by their own stampede.
Oh and as for “laying it on thick”, I was just adjusting for the density of your skull.
Cro,
You are a #1, 1st Class A-hole ——— ape…,
Next to you, Dubya would look good
-except he neglected to get his GED…!
You have no sense at all.
The underlying scariness, here, is YOU, as before-
a/k/a ‘BARTELBEE” – taking up limited precious space…
Get ‘lost’ instead of ‘found’,
PC
See? People who are supposed to be normal, like Patty here, are really raving, frothing at the mouth lunatics.
She rests my case.
Both of you sound like a couple who are trying desperatly to compensate for some shortcoming in your lives.
The need to just profanely slander someone, or “talk” about beating people up, is the true sign of the unbalanced individual.
If you two truly represent the “liberal” component of our country, then perhaps we are truly FUBAR.
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 10, 2008 at 7:43 am
While murder is an extreme solution, perhaps the laws against assault and/or battery should have more exceptions. Not dueling per se, but certain situations where just knocking the crap out of someone is encouraged within reasonable unarmed limits. There is a saying in rural America, “There’s nothing wrong with that boy that a good old fashion country ass whuppin wouldn’t cure.”
And this post, pretty much sums up the absolute hubris of associating the name “Buddha”, with your cowpie philosophy of “good old fashion country ass whuppin”. In case your reading comprehension skills are as poor as your judgement, reread the above article.
See, they did give this guy a good old fashion country ass whuppin.
And his family’s now in mourning.
And as for the “just knocking the crap out of someone”, considering most peoples bowels release on the onset of death, we see they did just knock the crap out of him.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matthew 24:12
Wow, CMM. I see you are still proving you are a humorless prick. And I bet you own a lot of handguns. You already know what I think of handgun owners.
Hubris? Look in the mirror.
Once the Dalai Lama was asked what would he do if he was in a room and armed men taking hostages and gained access to a gun. He answered that first he would try to dissuade the attackers peaceably. If that didn’t stop them, he would shoot them in the arm or leg. If that was insufficient to protect the others, he said he would shoot the hostage taker in the head.
That comes from the head of Tibetan Buddhism.
Being a Buddhist does not mean one is a doormat. It means you walk the path of peace until given no other option.
Hey, don’t feel so bad about being ignorant. It shows in a lot of your postings, but it usually comes across as humor (not today however).
Gah, pardon my grammar.
Not you CMM. You’ve earned the right for me not to give a damn what you think. Schmuck.
Did I mention you have way too much time on your hands?
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 11, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Wow, CMM. I see you are still proving you are a humorless prick.
Well, since half of what I said to you was spoken in jest, it appears you are the one who is humorless, not to mention reduced to petty name calling absent any intelligent response.
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 11, 2008 at 5:50 pm
And I bet you own a lot of handguns. You already know what I think of handgun owners
Well then I suggest you stay away from Vegas, as I do not own handguns. Never have.
Fortunately, my parents were cool parents, and enrolled me in the Joohn Rhee Tae Kwon Do schools (remmber the commercials witht he little kids saying “Nobody bothers me”) at a very young age, where I studied in Maryland until my 19th Birthday. Following that, I continued studying various forms of Martial arts for the next 10 years, including Hapkido (bone breaking) and Hung Gar (a low stance style of Kung Fu that was good for my back), and Aikido, (wrist locks). By the time I hit 30, I moved onto rock climbing and weight lifting, but I never forgot nor disrespected my training in the martial arts. To this day, I’ll never forget when my instructor brought in a VCR and showed an episode of “Kung Fu” at a belt award ceremony for the brown belts. It was the episode where one of the masters has young cain build a fine vase, then he has a blunderbuss (firearm) in a box, where Cain is told to pull the trigger. Cain cries and says, why did you have me destroy it? And The master says “to show you that this tool, is only designed for one thing. To destroy”.
I never really liked guns growing up, and thus they never found a way into my world. But if I felt the need for one, I would feel no shame in owning one, as apparently big mouths like you want to suggest one should.
Because in this world, theres always going to be throwbacks like you who think the world should be returned to a physical primitive “pecking order”, where the strong rule and the less strong shut up and get out of their way.
Its because your brains, never developed with your brawn.
Oh, and did I mention you apparently have the same amount of “too much time on your hands”, that you accuse me of?
Or did you think your comments were invisible to the rest of us?
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 11, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Once the Dalai Lama was asked what would he do if he was in a room and armed men taking hostages and gained access to a gun. He answered that first he would try to dissuade the attackers peaceably. If that didn’t stop them, he would shoot them in the arm or leg. If that was insufficient to protect the others, he said he would shoot the hostage taker in the head.
Well, thats the Dali Lama.
I would have shot the hostage taker in the head first.
Negotiations tend to go much smoother at that point.
You have proven nothing but your ignorance.
If thats the best answer you’ve got, then I’ve proven someones ignorance alright.
Yours.
Sad. Amusing. But sad.
And if you are too stupid to see that, I’m done with you. Your nick is a good choice. You’re a fine example of retrograde evolution, cowardice and narcissism.
See what?
You’re not saying anything.
You’re just name calling and saying “nuh uh”.
Did you have a coherent sentence to include or is your brain finished with you for the evening?
lol
You are a piece of work. Republican schill. It’s nice they think Turley is important enough to pay you to troll here.
I don’t have to give you shovel.
And you are the one who made it personal, sport. If you can’t bring the heat, ride the pine.
So another braindead comment?
Now I’m a republican? And not just a republican, but a PAID republican?
How exactly does your brain correlate that empty charge considering I’m an Obama supporter?
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 11, 2008 at 6:58 pm
And you are the one who made it personal, sport. If you can’t bring the heat, ride the pine.
You’re the one who started name calling.
I merely obliged you.
Apparently its you who “can’t take the heat”.
I suggest removing your head from your ass.
That should cool you off a bit.
In fact, I really didn’t call you names even in response to your namecalling.
In fact you called me several names including “smartass”, “prick”, “stupid”, “schmuck”, etc, in your vicious rants and attacks at me.
So if this is what Buddhism taught you, perhaps you should change your handle.
To “Buddha is crying”.
Because you my agitated little friend are a far cry from anything having to do even remotely with the jolly fat guy.
We didn’t come looking for you, despite your many obvious delusions to the contrary, CroBartlebee.
Frankly, the best thing you could do for Obama, and the rest of us ignorant ‘lunatics’, is support McCain.
Run along now.
Don’t you have a big deal debate site to dump your crap somewhere else,
yet?
Patty C
1, October 11, 2008 at 8:02 pm
We didn’t come looking for you, despite your many obvious delusions to the contrary, CroBartlebee
You “didn’t come looking” for me, despite my “many obvious delusions to the contrary”.
What are you talking about now, crazy lady?
Where pray tell, did I ever, say ANYTHING about you coming to “look for me”?
As for the “run along” part, since you were never in this conversation, but merely chose to come in as always and bless us all with the incoherent garbage that comes from that misfiring brain of yours, I suggest that it is you, who should run along.
Because in case you didn’t notice over the last 4 months, you have absolutely no power to tell me to do anything.
Whats noteworthy about all of Patty C’s (aka crazy lady)posts is that she doesn’t actually “disagree” with anything I say.
She simply comes in to whatever thread I’m in, and starts calling using profanity, calling me names and proclaiming herself superior to the lowly “crobartlebee”.
She doesn’t actually provide an opposing argument. Just launches personal attacks.
Just vicious, hatefilled diatribes of spite and venom. Theres no opposing position. No facts to contend. No points of reference she is refuting.
Just one personal attack, after the next.
As she did here tonight, and in any post she sees me in debate or contention with another person. She just comes in and shores up the other person, troll-like even, and never actually “says anything”.
It would be nice once in a while, if Patty, in all her moral, intellectual and professional superiority, would toss in a few actual issues that she is contending against, with maybe some supporting data or logic and reason, that refutes some actual position I am advocating, instead of just constantly launching simple minded person attacks.
In a perfect world, ay?
“… Where pray tell, did I ever, say ANYTHING about you coming to “look for me” ‘
*****
Right here, ape. This is you throwing down the gauntlet on just one of several occasions, as I recall. Shall I go on?
BARTLEBEE 1, July 18, 2008 at 10:55 pm
I said it once to you two punks, and I’ll say it again.
You don’t like me, you don’t have to read my posts or talk to me.
But each time, and I do mean EACH time, you two assclowns, come looking for trouble, you’re going to get back exactly what you put out.
Don’t like looking for it dickheads?
Then don’t come looking for it.
Cro Magnum Man 1, October 11, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Patty C
1, October 11, 2008 at 8:02 pm
We didn’t come looking for you, despite your many obvious delusions to the contrary, CroBartlebee
You “didn’t come looking” for me, despite my “many obvious delusions to the contrary”.
What are you talking about now, crazy lady?
Where pray tell, did I ever, say ANYTHING about you coming to “look for me”?
Cro Magnum Man:
(Replying to Buddha Is Laughing)
“See what? You’re not saying anything. You’re just name calling and saying “nuh uh”. Did you have a coherent sentence to include or is your brain finished with you for the evening?”
Ya see, if ‘Buddha Is Laughing’ happened to be a Buddhist Cow with typing skills, he could have simply said…
“Mu.”
Correction. Simple minded “personal” attacks.
The other was calling myself simple minded, which is certainly a debatable topic, was nonetheless not my intent.
And you know, its funny, but I thought Professor Turley was so against these sort of personal attacks? I thought that was a big deal to him, yet he’s a close friend apparently of Patty’s. I guess thats it. I guess that cronyism thing is only for television and opposition party politicians.
Anyway, das macht nicht.
Besides, I’m sorta getting used to Patty’s random rabid personal attacks. Sort of like a callous. They grow on you.
Oh I know. She’s doing it tonight because Professor Turley’s away camping, so she figures he won’t see it.
That explains why she walked in and out of the blue, without so much as a word said in her direction, and called me an “1st Class A-hole ——— ape”.
Whatever that is.
Well, whatever it is, at least its 1st Class.
I’d hate to be called a 2nd Class A-hole ——— ape.
Hey Mespo, you want the over or under on the hysterical replies?
p.s. ‘Buddha is laughing’, you can get in the action, too…
Oops, don’t forget Bob. Almost didn’t see you there. Yes you’re right.
It was incorrect for me to assume he had a brain to be finished with him, or could ever produce a coherent thought.
Patty C
1, October 11, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Hey Mespo, you want the over or under on the hysterical replies?
p.s. ‘Buddha is laughing’, you can get in the action, too…
See what I mean folks, by “crazy lady”?
Mespos not in the room from what I can see. He hasn’t even posted tonight in here. So why would Patty be posting to him?
See, that was for me folks. Patty apparently a supposedly grown woman, is noticably obsessed with what can only be described as stalking me and rallying others to “gang up” on me for some reason. Not sure why, but I think it has something to do with her wanting to be the center of attention.
Whatever the reason is, the posts don’t lie. She walked in tonight, and called me names, and I had not said a word to her.
She is clearly an unbalanced individual.
Besides, I’m sorta getting used to Patty’s random rabid personal attacks. Sort of like a callous. They grow on you.
******
There is nothing ‘random’ here.
BTW, what is growing on you is probably overgrowth of ‘fungus-among-us’.
That would be my very well-educated *guess, anyway.
Ask ‘Thingum’…
*See your doctor or health-care practitioner.
Patty C
1, October 11, 2008 at 9:40 pm
There is nothing ‘random’ here
So we see Patty admitting these are pre planned attacks, not random.
Like I said, I thought Professor Turley was against that sort of thing, but apparently not when it comes to his cronies.
At least Patty admits to stalking.
And personal attacks.
Hopefully while she’s doling out this medical advice, she’ll seek some therapy herself.
To control this obsession she apparently has with me.
Well, as much as I’d love to sit here and go around and around in circles with her, and her psychobabble, personal insults, incoherent speech patterns, lies and subtle threats, and general “holier than thou” attitude, I’ve got better plans with my evening than to spend them arguing with repressed schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur.
So Patty? You may now declare victory, and boast some more of your own greatness and moral superiority and “wink” at everyone like a 7 year old passing notes in the classroom.
I won’t be here to enjoy it.
I bid you adieu.
Folks,
I am still in North Carolina, but I am ask that you avoid the personal attacks and name calling (even when left partially unspelled for appearances). The passion is great but the the personal stuff is not welcomed.
I would appreciate everyone’s help in maintaining a site that people can go to for some often witty, fairly passionate, and always civil debate.
Thanks.
Jonathan
Sorry, couldn’t join in. Unlike some trolls, I have a real life that takes me away from computers from time to time.
Bob, that was funny. Mu to you too. lol
And I think I proved my point about rudeness.
JT,
I’ll keep the troll baiting down to a minimum. It seemed appropriate for this article and garnered exactly the response intended. It was not intended as disrespect for or to you. As this is your space, I’ll do as you ask and play nice. Unless given a reason not to.
And Bob, Esq. wins an apple pi for best joke.
when you go to another country – one has to behave decently and this does not look like a decent man who walks into the resturant early in the morning with your shirt open- drinking beer- threatening the staff with a knife and showing arrogant attitude.
When you are shown a knife by a drunk man what would you do in self defence -obviosly the staff have to save themselves.
Please find encl. an Eye Witness account that contains the text of the signed eyewitness account ( signed by numerous individuals who were witness to the episode & available at Club City, Calangute, Goa.)This is being sent to the media as well -
Series of events prior to the unfortunate death of Mr. John Kelly; an Australian citizen on holiday/ temporarily residing in Goa prior to his death as per eyewitnesses of the incident.
Mr. Kelly was first spotted arriving at our licensed round the clock restaurant & bar at around 0800 hours on 8th, October; 2008; in a condition which can be best described as not in full control of his senses; which could be due to a wrong frame of mind/ disturbed/ depressed/ intoxicated due to substance abuse or any other reason which would be obvious to either those who knew him well or otherwise be medically/ otherwise investigated. He had his shirt buttons completely open & carried a couldn’t careless attitude towards others in general which is derived from the fact that he was not appropriately dressed & started impromptu conversations with anyone & everyone who was in his path/ vicinity. On arriving at a table of his choice, he immediately started a conversation with a group of people seated across who probably misunderstood his probing & intrusive conversation as mere friendliness n’ responded back in a cordial manner. He immediately called out to a waiter & ordered a round of drinks for them. He was loud, abusive, racially discriminating in his speech which was aimed at everyone in his vision which seemed like signs of a totally intoxicated person with not much bearing of his surroundings. On witnessing this, the others decided not to accept any drinks on his behalf & thus directed the waiter not to serve them any such drinks on his behalf. Most people preferred to stay out of his path as he seemed to be having some kind of mood swings as he oscillated frequently between friendly conversation & uncalled aggression in the form of physical movement, aimless murmuring, loud outbursts n’ targeted aggression including moving around the entire premise & stopping short of individuals who had no choice but to hear him out & wait it out till such time as he would move to the next target. In one such move he bumped into one of the cooks & pointed a knife (a foldable large knife) which he was carrying with him. He pointed the knife at the cook’s stomach while being unable to keep himself steady. The cook had no choice but to hold his ground & pray that he doesn’t strike. He suddenly apologised to the cook for his behaviour & moved back towards his table. This is when he shouted & abused at the waiter & summoned him regarding the drinks ordered for his neighbouring table. He abused at him left right n’ centre & the one sided conversation can be best described as outright provocation in the form of direct & indirect verbal abuse, racial discrimination n’ insult to everything that the individual stands for including his national pride. This is when the waiter who was not very articulate tried to match him for his words; to which Mr. Kelly responded by holding the waiter by his head & putting the knife to his throat & slowly exerting pressure. The waiter moved his head down to the table with the pressure of the knife & heard out another round of verbal abuse. Once Mr. Kelly had prolonged the situation to his full satisfaction he loosened a bit & temporarily the knife lost contact with the waiter’s throat. This was when the waiter found his opportunity to free himself from his grip & nudged him in the face. Seeing the chaos, the manager who was so far pleading to Mr. Kelly to let go of the waiter also got into the scuffle & simultaneously the Security guard got in too. In the scuffle that followed they managed to free the knife out of his hand, pushed & nudged him away. It seems that he tripped over one of the seats made of marble & landed near two other marble seats & a speaker in a tight corner where his ribs probably came in the direct path of the fall. As he was completely intoxicated & did not have control over his physical sense his reflexes probably did not allow him to break the fall; which meant that the direct impact would have come on to his ribs while landing. This is when the boys backed out & he got up & looked for his wallet. One of the boys found the wallet & handed it back to him. He then abused & shouted again & walked out of the premise. The manager rightly called up the Calangute police station from his mobile as it had been a major incident. After a very short while, the police turned up with Mr. Kelly along; whom they may have found walking along the road & heard out the details. They asked Mr. Kelly his version but Mr. Kelly by this time probably gauged how wrong he was through this incident & so decided to hush up the matter & just slip away the moment the police probed him about the knife. The police realized that Mr. Kelly was in the wrong & that none of the parties would probably be interested in taking this any further; told the boys to be available around the premise in case they were required while they look for him. We do not know what happened after this till such time as the police came back to us in the evening to round up all the boys involved in this incident as the news was that Mr. Kelly had died. We would not like to speak about any specifics which are under investigation & would thus not like to debate right from wrong at this stage but have already started the process of introspection so as to ensure that even though a repetition of such an incident seems very remote as most people would never land themselves into such a situation; we would still like to leave no stone unturned in contemplating how this could have been avoided. At such a moment our heart goes out firstly to the near & dear ones of Mr. Kelly who would feel completely shattered & to the boys who have got stuck into this situation which seems to be forced onto them & all our colleagues at our place of work who have had to go through the direct & indirect consequences of the incident.
In the end we would like to say that we come from a country that believes in the ideals of the Mahatmas who taught us to offer the other cheek if someone was to strike us at one but are sure that even they would have advised to react differently if someone was to keep a knife on ones throat & be fully capable of using it. We would also like to state that our bar at Club City is referred to as the ‘Boomerang Bar’ which effectively suggests our soft corner & affection towards the Australian way of life, ethos n’ the people in general & would continue to welcome our friends from Australia & other parts of the world to our land of plenty where we look forward to provide the safest possible environment to one and all as unity in diversity is not just a phrase for us but actually a way of life in India; a country with over a billion people from all walks of life imaginable.
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:59 am
And I think I proved my point about rudeness
And how exactly did you accomplish that?
Your point was that rude people should be physically beaten. Kind of like the Taliban does.
But hiding from behind your keyboard talking tough about beating people up, didn’t exactly prove anything.
Other than you obviously feel better about yourself when you can act like a big man behind a keyboard. If that constitutes being tough in your neighborhood,…well, to each his own I reckon.
Buddha Is Laughing
1, October 12, 2008 at 8:16 am
JT,
I’ll keep the troll baiting down to a minimum. It seemed appropriate for this article and garnered exactly the response intended. It was not intended as disrespect for or to you. As this is your space, I’ll do as you ask and play nice. Unless given a reason not to.
So your response to Professor Turleys request directed at Patty to stop with the personal attacks and name calling, was to call me more names?
Calling me a troll, while proclaiming your own moral superiority doesn’t exactly fit with his request I think.
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a troll. Professor Turley has my email address and I’ve volunteered my personal contact info on several occasions. I am local businessman, and an independent voter. I attended local schools, local colleges and I work locally and have for the bulk of my life.
I am not a troll. I do not work for the right wing and I do not own handguns. All accusations made by you, as part of your “tough-guy” routine, that are simply false.
You’ve yet to retract these false accusations, so proclaiming moral or intellectual superiority is premature, given your own proclivities to fabricate slander against those whose positions disagree with your own.
Point taken JT, however my low opinion still stands – as it does from Day One with respect those who just show up and spew – looking for nothing more than to get a ‘rise’ here.
We used to have a nice little salon with regulars matching
DW’s caliber and sensibilities. I miss him.
A couple of weeks ago I awoke after a dream that our cherished DW was Paul Newman. I don’t remember my dreams much anymore – bits and pieces. For what it’s worth, what I know about myself is that I am very intuitive. Who knows what my dream means…
What I know about BARTLEBEE and Cro magnun man is that he is not here for anything else but himself. He adds nothing to this Law blog
- Constitutionally or otherwise.
He has no legal training or experience, obviously, and simply does not reason the way those of who do, yet he has managed to inject himself into a forum which should be recognized and reserved for ‘intelligent’ Constitutional and legal dialogue.
Forgive me. I’m not a sponge! My patience is limited.
I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!
Like that…
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mespo727272 1, October 10, 2008 at 10:16 am
“Before I start, I’d like to make clear that I don’t consider rudeness justification for killing in any circumstance.”
***************
Well I do. Seriously, the law takes some notice that adequate provocation can cause people to snap. Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over. It is not justification for but only in mitigation of guilt and hence reduction in punishment.
First Patty said…
Point taken JT
But in the next breath Patty continues with her insults and personal attacks…
What I know about BARTLEBEE and Cro magnun man is that he is not here for anything else but himself. He adds nothing to this Law blog
- Constitutionally or otherwise.
He has no legal training or experience, obviously, and simply does not reason the way those of who do, yet he has managed to inject himself into a forum which should be recognized and reserved for ‘intelligent’ Constitutional and legal dialogue.
So apparently, the “point” wasn’t taken.
But whats more disturbing is the threatening nature of her comments, apparently fueled by an irrational hatred of those who not only do not agree with her from time to time, but who likewise refuse to bow to her will in “her” blog.
Statements like these below are clearly the sign of an unbalanced individual.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!
Like that…
And even more disturbing, her next comment.
She quotes Mespo, saying
“I don’t consider rudeness justification for killing in any circumstance.”
Then Patty replies;
Well I do
And she calls me the crazy one.
She is clearly an unbalanced individual.
I’ve been threatened in blogs before, but this is the first time I have met someone so unbalanced as to actually suggest killing me.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!”
“Like that…”
“My patience is limited.”
“Well I do” [consider rudeness justification for killing]
“adequate provocation can cause people to snap”
“Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over”
The irony here is that it was Patty, who was the one who was “rude”.
I didn’t come into a thread and start calling her names.
She however walked into this thread, without me saying one single word to her, and out of the blue said;
—
Patty C
1, October 10, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Cro,
You are a #1, 1st Class A-hole ——— ape…,
Next to you, Dubya would look good
-except he neglected to get his GED…!
You have no sense at all.
The underlying scariness, here, is YOU, as before-
a/k/a ‘BARTELBEE” – taking up limited precious space…
I guess this is the “intelligent dialogue” she said demanded this blog only permit?
The facts are, that I gladly ignore Patty in every thread I enter. I say nothing to her, and purposely go out of my way to not comment on anything she says.
But for some reason, she does not have this ability herself. Apparently she has a lack of self control, as evidenced in her comments about losing self control.
For some reason, she cannot control herself long enough to keep from following me around from thread to thread and insulting me, ordering I leave, and now, even going so far as to suggest I should be killed.
She constantly tells me and others how I require “medical help”, and what a superior individual she is because of her profession in the medical field. She also points out how I don’t “belong here” among such intelligent persons as herself, yet it is she who is the one who instigates each and every exchange we’ve ever had, right up to the first.
I’ve never instigated so much as a single conversation or exchange with her, and she in turn does instigate each and every encounter, calling me foul names and now subtly threatening my life, simply because she doesn’t like a guy in a blog. All the while portraying herself as a friend of Professor Turley’s and a superior individual to myself.
Well it seems to me that while I’m certainly no angel, she’s got more than a few demons to contend with, and if she is indeed the medical professional she claims and a friend to Professor Turley, then if I were Professor Turley and someone I knew and cared for were in my blog, stalking another blogger by following them from thread to thread and launching tirades of profane insults, demands to leave, and now even alluding to murdering them, I’d be counseling them to seek professional help immediately, at whatever clinic or hospital she is apparently employed at.
Patty proclaims my “purpose” here with her own vain imaginings as if I was some sort of Dr Evil out with my “evil purposes”.
The truth is quite different, and much less fantastic. As I have stated, I’m just a blogger who watched Professor Turley on Countdown many times, and decided to try his blog. I figured it would be full of intelligent bloggers, some who had legal backgrounds, others who did not, but all who enjoyed good passionate debate, humor and levity, and examining new ideas and different points of view. And for the most part, I’ve found that here. Many people here I converse with regulalry I’ve found to be just that sort of blogger, and I enjoy our exchanges and discourse.
Patty however has a much different idea of what a blog should be. Apparently its only for the people “she” approves of, and then only if they tow “her” line. And while she preaches of high minded discourse and discussion, what she produces, is juvenile profane tirades of namecalling, outright insults and now, even what can only be construed as attempts to intimidate and threats of murder.
I however, will once more make Patty the same offer I’ve made on several previous occassions.
If she ignores me, I will gladly, ignore her.
I think thats a reasonable solution to her apparent “problem” with me.
This is exactly what I mean.
First of all start from the beginning – by rereading who mespo was quoting ie NOT moi, but whose sentiments we echo – namely ‘Buddah is Laughing’/Obama-sama
Secondly, get a frickin’ life, ‘Ape’…
She rests my case.
And this constant calling me “APE” after I pointed out I grew up in SE DC and New York, appears to be a racial slur, meant to incite a strong reaction or intimidate me into leaving.
Something she’s pointed out she is trying to do.
Clearly Patty is unbalanced, and in dire need of professional help. “stat”.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 9:51 pm
This is exactly what I mean.
First of all start from the beginning – by rereading who mespo was quoting ie NOT moi
Who mespo was quoting has nothing to do with you coming in, implying I am being rude and calling me foul names and racial slurs, then stating that you wish I’d “disappear, POOF”, and then in the SAME thread saying you think rude people should be killed.
There was no ambiguity there, and your providing both in the same comment made that clear.
I know you think you’ve got Professor Turley and others wrapped around your finger here, and who knows, maybe you do. But I’m betting that people are able to read your words and see the facts.
And the facts are you are stalking me and pre-meditatingly attempting to intimidate me into leaving what you feel is “your” blog.
Its clear you think you’re better than me, (and probably everyone else) and its clear you have no morals or scruples when it comes to harrassing someone in an attempt to either compel them to over-react or leave.
Unfortunately for you I am not intimidated by your harrassment, your racial slurs, your lynchmob mentality or your subtle death threats.
What I will do, is ignore you, as long as you ignore me.
Not interested
- but, heres a blast from the past – Hah!…
‘… I haven’t wanted this to be competitive, but in my sport we do know victory is at hand when we get into the head of the opponent. We’re there and it’s vast, desolate, and scary. Yikes!’
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mespo727272 1, July 29, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Patty C:
Unless we see more, you’ve won with the “under” bet since he only went for 7 hysterical replies. I am guessing more is to come, but I am willing to concede defeat. I also think we should nominate Gyges for the Euphemism Award after our hero’s diatribe against him for something he didn’t say and in response to a question to someone other than our comical friend. “Wordy”, how’s that for avoiding the real thing? Bravo Gyges! I haven’t wanted this to be competitive, but in my sport we do know victory is at hand when we get into the head of the opponent. We’re there and it’s vast, desolate, and scary. Yikes!
jonathanturley 1, July 30, 2008 at 8:01 am
So you’re now forced to go back to July to see what you can find to obscure the fact that you walked into this thread when I had said nothing to you, and insulted me, name calling, suggesting I was rude then stating rude people should be killed.
As you did the first night, you started this evening by walking in and calling me profane names, slandering me and generally stalking me in a verbally acknowledged attempt to harrass and intimidate me into leaving the blog.
So perhaps if Professor Turley does like to bet on such things, perhaps he’d like to bet on how long before your next response to me.
Or how long until you once more walk into a thread and START insulting me out of the blue?
Or how further a self implode you will bless us with, as you did here this evening, by crossing into the realm of talking about “killing rude people”.
I think Professor Turley is seeing a whole new side of you this evening Patty. I think he’s seeing that it was you all along, who would not stop following me around, as you can’t stop here tonight.
So I’ll wager with him right now, that you can’t help but respond to me.
And I will also wager him that you will not be able to avoid starting another hate filled tirade of insults out of the blue, when I have said nothing to you.
Here. Just so you don’t obscure the facts with your bullshit, here’s what YOU said tonight, when I had not said ONE WORD to you.
Patty C
1, October 10, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Cro,
You are a #1, 1st Class A-hole ——— ape…,
Next to you, Dubya would look good
-except he neglected to get his GED…!
You have no sense at all.
The underlying scariness, here, is YOU, as before-
a/k/a ‘BARTELBEE” – taking up limited precious space…
Theres your morally superior individual Professor Turley.
And here you are, declaring you wish I’d just “disappear” using the descriptive “poof” to indicate an explosion, and then declaring that rude people should be killed.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Point taken JT, however my low opinion still stands – as it does from Day One with respect those who just show up and spew – looking for nothing more than to get a ‘rise’ here.
We used to have a nice little salon with regulars matching
DW’s caliber and sensibilities. I miss him.
A couple of weeks ago I awoke after a dream that our cherished DW was Paul Newman. I don’t remember my dreams much anymore – bits and pieces. For what it’s worth, what I know about myself is that I am very intuitive. Who knows what my dream means…
What I know about BARTLEBEE and Cro magnun man is that he is not here for anything else but himself. He adds nothing to this Law blog
- Constitutionally or otherwise.
He has no legal training or experience, obviously, and simply does not reason the way those of who do, yet he has managed to inject himself into a forum which should be recognized and reserved for ‘intelligent’ Constitutional and legal dialogue.
Forgive me. I’m not a sponge! My patience is limited.
I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!
Like that…
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mespo727272 1, October 10, 2008 at 10:16 am
“Before I start, I’d like to make clear that I don’t consider rudeness justification for killing in any circumstance.”
***************
Well I do. Seriously, the law takes some notice that adequate provocation can cause people to snap. Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over. It is not justification for but only in mitigation of guilt and hence reduction in punishment.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!”
“Like that…”
“My patience is limited.”
“Well I do” [consider rudeness justification for killing]
“adequate provocation can cause people to snap”
“Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over”
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!”
“Like that…”
“Well I do” [consider rudeness justification for killing]
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
he has managed to inject himself into a forum which should be recognized and reserved for ‘intelligent’ Constitutional and legal dialogue
Patty C
1, October 10, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Cro,
You are a #1, 1st Class A-hole ——— ape…,
Next to you, Dubya would look good
-except he neglected to get his GED…!
You have no sense at all.
The underlying scariness, here, is YOU, as before-
a/k/a ‘BARTELBEE” – taking up limited precious space…
Keep shootin’ your mouth off and I think JT would agree with me that you are ‘Green Warrant’ eligible just about now.
Your ability to invent delusional fantasy and attribute it to others is indeed ‘noteworthy’…
I have a name for it.
Please, by all means, continue!
See? I would have won that bet.
And now you’re threatening me with False Arrest because you don’t like me being in the same blog as you.
You clearly are a sick, twisted individual, and your threats are duly noted. At this point, My Attorney in Rockville will be notified as to your threats, along with this latest threat of false arrest.
Should you actually be crazy enough to try and physically do injury to someone either physically or through false criminal charges of some sort, your words will clearly demonstrate the pre-mediation of your intent, and the fact that it was you who followed me, and were the regular “instigator”.
I’m not afraid of you or your threats patty, as much as you’d like to think I am.
And by the way, I have yet to be asked to leave by Professor Turley, so what false misuse of the court systems you’d use to statisfy your rage and hatred is beyond me.
If professor Turley wants me to leave, all he has to do is ask.
You however, how he tolerates your slander, rage and hate speech, coordinated intimidation, pre-mediated harrassment, and now, death threats, is beyond me.
Now, feel free to “continue”
Have your attorney in Rockville contact me by all means.
If he/she knows you at all he/she has some sense about the viability of your claims – based on your comments here.
That’s all, Folks!
I have an even better idea – post an email address, name or telephone number and I will contact him/her myself.
BTW, I used to live in Rockville…!!! I worked in D.C., too
- years ago.
I have a better idea. How about you post yours?
And the comments, as they do tonight, will not change with your pathetic attempts to bury them.
Fact A: YOU STARTED IT.
Thats all the judge needs to know. (Assuming theres a judge out there that would hear your ridiculous charges whatever they may be, over someone you didn’t like in an online chat room)
All any judge would need to see would be this comment, by the insane patty, to see that she came into a thread, stalking another blogger as she has in EACH thread she’s engaged him in, and started launching a rabid, hate filled tirade of profanity and insults.
And heres the proof.
Your first comment in this thread.
Patty C
1, October 10, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Cro,
You are a #1, 1st Class A-hole ——— ape…,
Next to you, Dubya would look good
-except he neglected to get his GED…!
You have no sense at all.
The underlying scariness, here, is YOU, as before-
a/k/a ‘BARTELBEE” – taking up limited precious space…
Get ‘lost’ instead of ‘found’,
PC
There you go Matlock.
And then, the crazy lady posted this discomforting tirade of apparent threats and a “peek into her mind”.
Patty C
1, October 12, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“I wish he would just ‘disappear’! Poof!”
“Like that…”
“My patience is limited.”
“Well I do” [consider rudeness justification for killing]
“adequate provocation can cause people to snap”
“Notions of voluntary manslaughter acknowledge that persons can be pushed too far and that at some point the animal in us will take over
All the signs of an unbalanced individual.
Patty C
1, October 13, 2008 at 12:32 am
Have your attorney in Rockville contact me by all means.
Absolutely.
Be glad to.
Whats your contact information?
You are certifiably ‘badeebadeebadee, ‘That’s All Folks’ insane…
I’m insane, but you think “rude people” should be “killed”.
Go figure.
Anyway, didn’t you just say to have my attorney contact you?
Thats what you said, right?
Here…lemme see because it was so long ago….
ahh, here it is.
Patty C
1, October 13, 2008 at 12:32 am
Have your attorney in Rockville contact me by all means
“By all means”.
Ok. Fine.
I’ll have him contact you, per your request.
Whats your contact information?
CMM, I proved my point by making you dance like a trained monkey, Mr. Angry.
Also you might want to consider studying up on Borderline Personality Disorder.
Seriously. It’s a severe mental health issue.
So “responding to comments” now constitutes “dancing like a trained monkey”?
So like your douchebag friend, you’re also a racist?
Oh well.
What more could I expect from a hayseed who’s mother and father are also his aunt and uncle?
Tell maw I said hi.
Oh and as for your lame charges of desperately trying to label me the “angry” one here?
I’m not the assclown who snuck in 2 days later to leave racial slurs.
That assclown, would be you.
It would take a lot more than some limpdick prick hiding behind his keyboard to make me angry slim.
Mocking inbred white trash like you I would put no higher than passing amusement.
Oh and Professor Turley?
Since clearly at least one of these ..er… people, are your friends, and since I know you’re going to give me crap about my language when you ignore the subtle threats made by your friend patty, or the racist undertones of their constantly calling me “monkey” and “ape”, I’m going to assume that thing is ok with you, and yet a yo momma joke is more than your blog can tolerate. I do find it odd however that being you are so opposed to this “namecalling” that you’d apparently “take bets” on how I would react to being stalked, attacked and insulted, and most recently being not so subtly threatened and labeled with racial slurs.
That was a little disillusioning to say the least. But hey, they’re your “friends” right? And friends are friends.
So I’ll leave you to it sir and self “expel” myself from the class and move on. After all, I can find ugly racist filth like being called ape and monkey pretty much anywhere on the internet. Who needs all the hosh-posh-b’gosh crap when you can just go to redstate.org, or kkkiskool.com?
Anyway your racist friend patty can now yell “yippee” as she declares herself victorious again, at least in her own mind, wherein she is indeed a legend.
Dance, monkey, dance!
Since YOU are the one who brought up race, let’s address that. You assume I’m white and racist. Both are wrong. And you know what they say about assumptions.
And how about those primates? Monkey is a pejorative not reserved for people of color, but rather used for people who act like monkeys – as in hooting aimlessly and flinging their own excrement. Your reaction betrays your possible Borderline Personality Disorder. You are a very angry person. At a minimum it shows you as a thin skinned troll who cannot take what he dishes. Your biggest problem is pure maladjusted ego, sport, the root of rudeness and indicative of a psychological disorder in full bloom. When most people use the phrase, “He can’t see the forest for the trees” they usually aren’t talking about someone looking in the mirror – but it works for you.
Here endeth the lesson. If you want to keep dancing, go right ahead. You’ll be doing so without an audience or a puppeteer.
Theres an entire article here about the racism of using a “Monkey” with an Obama sign on it.
Scroll back and read shithead. You’ll learn something.
As for your holier than thou tirade about all the bad things I am, how bout you pucker up and kiss this monkeys ballsack?
You’re a racist piece of shit, and you can bet your ass you wouldn’t say that to my face, bitch.
Fuck you. Fuck your racist family. And fuck anyone that endorses your racist bullshit, bitch.
Oh yea and fuck that douchebag racist whore patty to, motherfucker. (means you fuck your mother)
I know I did.
And here, since you think you’re fooling someone with your holier than thou bullshit, observe.
This article is from THIS blog, just a few days ago.
The Lowest Common Denominator: Racist Displays Again Openly Displayed at Palin Rally
Published 1, October 12, 2008 Bizarre , Politics
Many Americans have been taken aback by the racist and hatred seen at recent McCain/Palin rallies from calls to “kill him” to openly racist displays. This guy attended a rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania with a stuffed monkey with a Barack Obama bumper sticker on its forehead
So clearly no one in this blog can make the ridiculous claim of ignorance as to MONKEY being a racist term.
Turley just did a story on it last week, so obviously you, and that douchebag racist patty knew what you were doing when you began calling me “APE” and “MONKEY”. Patty started doing it right after I told her I was from SE, then you started too.
You’re both a couple of RACIST SCUMBAGS and you can both suck this monkeys fat one.
And here, since you think you’re fooling someone with your holier than thou bullshit, observe.
This article is from THIS blog, just a few days ago.
The Lowest Common Denominator: Racist Displays Again Openly Displayed at Palin Rally
Published 1, October 12, 2008 Bizarre , Politics
Many Americans have been taken aback by the racist and hatred seen at recent McCain/Palin rallies from calls to “kill him” to openly racist displays. This guy attended a rally in Johnstown, Pennsylvania with a stuffed monkey with a Barack Obama bumper sticker on its forehead
So clearly no one in this blog can make the ridiculous claim of ignorance as to MONKEY being a racist term.
Turley just did a story on it last week, so obviously you, and that douchebag racist patty knew what you were doing when you began calling me “APE” and “MONKEY”. Patty started doing it right after I told her I was from SE, then you started too.
You’re both a couple of RACIST SCUMBAGS and you can both suck this monkeys fat one.
Now, feel free to delete my posts and ban me Professor Turley, I could care less. I’ve put up with Patty stalking me from day one and now this friend of hers tag teaming and using racial slurs to try to drive me out has obviously done its thing.
Obviously these erudite intellectuals have managed to “make the monkey dance” so I certainly don’t want to disappoint.
So delete my comments, call me names, proclaim some armchair psychiatric diagnosis and just generally proclaim your superiority to this “monkey”.
You can have it.
I will close by saying this. It was not I who started the profanity or name calling here it was Patty and this Bhudda is Laughing character, who called me such names as smart ass, asshole, ape, and monkey. That my names are slightly more honest in their vulgarity is not in doubt, nor is the fact that they started this. But what is more noteworthy, is Patty’s constant “stalking” of me throughout my time here, even though she suggests she’s an attorney. She has stalked me from day on in here, as the threads show, including this very one. No matter what thread I go into, she follows me into it and proceeds to insult and ridicule me in an openly stated attempt to “drive me away”. This is harrassment in the legal defintion of the word, known as “Cyberstalking”.
The following is from “WiredSafety.org”
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Cyberstalkers
Cyberstalkers are often driven by revenge, hate, anger, jealousy, obsession and mental illness. While a cyberharasser may be motivated by some of these same feelings, often the harassment is driven by the desire to frighten or embarrass the harassment victim.
Sometimes the harasser intends to teach the victim a lesson in netiquette or political correctness (from the harasser’s point of view).
Often the cyberharassment victim is merely in the wrong place at the wrong time, or has made a comment or expressed an opinion that the cyberharasser dislikes.
We have even seen cases where the victim is merely being targeted because they are the first ones the cyberharasser encounters when they are in a “bad mood.
Cyberstalkers/harassers frequently follow their victims into chat rooms and onto discussion boards, posting lies and hateful messages, or passing misinformation about the victim
Since as this thread, and all previous threads show Patty as the instigator, following me into a thread and insulting and harrassing me, and now this clown BIL openly admits that it was his intention to harrass me and “make me dance” as he puts it, I find it odd that you don’t say more to your bloggers, who team up to drive out new bloggers who’s opinions differ with their own.
Clearly the above defintion defines exactly what Patty not only did, but in several comments even ADMITTED to doing!
She said it was her intention to make me “leave” and she pointed this out several times.
Clearly harrassment by the very defintion.
From the first night I came in here I have been the target of Patty, your friend mespo (who recently stopped when he realized I wasn’t Doctor Evil) and now this BIL of apparent attempts to provoke, harrass, intimidate and generally just drive away, and so tonight I must honestly admit defeat, and submit to their victory.
They have won in their efforts, as I said the other night. I responded today only because of this clown calling himself Buddha is Laughing coming back in 4 days later to call me “MONKEY” one last time. I figured he deserved a response to his hubristic arrogance.
I realize I was leaving once before, and returned, mostly due to thinking perhaps a newer handle would subdue Patty’s online stalking of me, which it did for a while, and also because I enjoyed discourse with some like Raff, and even mespo now who has abruptly halted his internet stalking of me for whatever reason. Once he stopped following patty around stalking me, he turned out to be a nice enough sort of fellow. But for some reason Patty was not able to cease her obsession with following me around and harrassing me, and honestly? I just have grown weary of it. Now with this new character (who I suspect is really Patty, or someone in Patty’s household), there really is no purpose for me to remain. So while I decided last time to give your blog one more try, I can assure you that I won’t make that mistake again.
Theres something wrong with a person who follows another person around with the purposeful intent of harrassing them and driving them away, so for all her claims to her mental health superiority, it seems she’s the unbalanced one here.
Anyway, I won’t take up any more of your “precious” space as Patty puts it.
I’m outta here! Toodles.