Chicago school officials are recommending the creation of a “gay-friendly” high school to accommodate rising numbers of gay and lesbian students and reduce harassment in the school system. I have long been opposed to the increasing specialization and balkanization of the public school system. While I support this worthy purpose, I believe that it has a negative impact on the goals of a public system as a whole. It is hard to oppose such schools like School for Social Justice Pride Campus, but I believe that the solution is to expel abusive and homophobic students — not remove the victims.
While I have been long supporter of gay rights, I opposed the creation of the Harvey Milk High school in New York, click here and here.
The School for Social Justice Pride Campus, will not be exclusive to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students, but it aimed at that target population. For the full story, click here.
Prof. Turley,
I agree with you that the good students who happen to be gay, should not be shuttled off to a separate location that includes only gays. The school officials may have good intentions, but it will diminish the education of them and of the straight students at the other schools. The diversity of the student population adds to the educational process and this is a copout that tries to make it easier on school district officials to deal with the real problem of improper behavior by the bullying students.
Not cool. Building a gay-friendly is a nice idea with good intentions. But the Real World is not so easily divided and diversity helps the educational process. Rather than building a new school as a haven for gays, authorities should clamp down on those who abuse gay students in school. They should also encourage and assist gay students in defending themselves. It may sound harsh, but in the long run it is for the better.
WOW! This seems like a terrible idea! Let’s just segregate those who are “different” instead of punishing the intolerant idiots who are the perpetrators. I used to be quite an optimist but am finding it more dificult this past decade. Homo sapiens really is a sucky species. Hopefully nature has graced this universe with a nobler species somewhere else. Perhaps we’ll have a chance to contact them before we destroy ourselves. In the mean time maybe we’ll learn to understand what true “deviant” behavior is and stop the hatred. Probably not.
I agree with the Chicago for a gay friendly school. I’ve been there done that in the St. Louis Public School system, when I was a teenager in highschool, it was terrible. I eventually dropped out and got my GED instead. Times may have changed a little in the 30 years since I was in highschool, but not much. I’ve lived in Chicago and the kids are more gang oriented there. Kids of every orientation should have the right to be protected while pursuing an education and a likewise support system.
Prof. Turley, I agree that this should be an alternative not the solution. But there needs to be that alternative when the school superintendents, principals, and teachers are not educating students about gay issues.
For you to advocate gay rights, but don’t see this as the solution is like saying you don’t agree with spousal or child abuse and not having city safe havens for the victims.
I grew up LDS and a nerd/geek. I liked school, I liked learning, and I liked computers (that was a bigger issue in the mid-eighties to early ninties than it is now). For both of these reasons, I was subjected to constant humiliation by teachers and my fellow classmates. No, it wasn’t many, but it only takes a couple each year. In elementary and middle I was regularly beat-up for being a nerd (going so far as to even have someone pull out a knife to slit my throat the one time I did fight back – thank goodness a teacher just happen to walk in). I and many other people I know who suffered from the same abuse managed to graduate and go to college. How is sexual orientation any different?
I think it’s a bad idea. People need to learn to get along. What if overweight kids want a school where no one will pick on them? Should a school for over weight children be built?
I wouldn’t want my tax dollars paying for something like this. Some school systems lack the funding for so many programs as it is, having another school will only make it that much harder.
Life will always be faced with challenges, Running away from them doesn’t make them go away. Kids need to learn to deal with the problems they are faced with. What will happen to them in the real world when they are in college or working?
Teach them to fight their battles, don’t do it for them
Prof. Turley,
Why not a Bully School? Take the students that are a problem and put them in a school of isolation. Pre-Prison?
I am absolutely shocked that this idea would even come about in my home city.
Having a school for minors, based on sexual preference just does not seem right.
More importantly that that, it introduces segregation at a young, impressionable age. That’s not what this country is about, and that’s not what our ancestors fought for. Our schools need diversity, because the world is diverse. We can’t keep these kids in a bubble. Instead, while all kids go through some sort of struggle at that age, let’s invest more of our time teaching the beauty of diversity and tolerance to our students: a value that all can share together.
This is a tough one, but any social psychologist will tell you that segregation is NOT the answer. Creating a separate school not only ignores the real problem, but creates more opportunities for victimization. Now, anyone associated with the new school will be targeted and “outed” by the victimizers. Chicago has a problem with gangs; how does creating more isolation fix the problem? The only way to truly solve the problems of abuse and mistreatment in the schools is a twofold process – provide more counseling within the schools for students who feel victimized and introduce more education for all students specifically aimed at increasing tolerance. Americans in 2008 are still so unkind and intolerant of one another, no matter what the issue. What are the schools doing to solve the problem??? When children are raised by parents who are socially unjust, is is up to the schools to pick up the slack or the problem continues. Creating safe havens is fine, but do it within the existing structure. MORE integration will show we are not so different from one another. All schools should be “schools for social justice”. Otherwise you are simply condoning the unjust behavior.
Why not just take the gay students and convert them to be normal? Might be cheaper…Or ship them to an island so they can live together without being a bad influence on normal students?
If in the 60s black students were being persecuted at integrated schools would we then go and make a black only school to end persecution? Seems like in 5-10 years they will be trying to integrate the gays back into society. What they should do is add more counseling services, and a campaign against bullying.
I pray to God that the city of Chicago approves this school.
This isn’t fair to other students who have to deal with other social issues, additionally, it will only set them up for failure once they enter the real world. Diversity is important and it I agree that it adds to the educational process as well, it’s important that all these students stay in close quarters so that maybe, just maybe one day, we will all learn to co-exist….happily, under one roof.
one more thing, those of you that are comparing to being black to being gay….or overweight, let’s be real these are all separate issues……no struggle is the same.
Hey I hear that black kids sometimes get bullied at school and have high dropout rates- so why don’t we send them to there own school where only Black kids will attend?- Yea right, who comes up with this stuff and whos job is it to approve it? It seems like people no longer stop and actually think things through anymore.
You know as well as I, gays/lesbians is an unnatural act. To support gays in High School is outrageous. This clearly shows how the USA has lost its morals and why other countries laugh at us.
SEGREGATION
Very happy to see I am not the only one who feels that homosexuality is immoral, wrong, unnatural, and should not be supported by my tax dollars.
This is the very ignorance that fosters the behavior of persecuting these teens. The fact that there are people blogging here about morals in one sentence and passing judgement on homosexuals in the next sentence is scary. What about the moral behavior of caring for one another despite differences?! Even if you feel homosexuality is wrong, these kids need to learn to tolerate and respect one another!
I think the money would be better spent in finding a way to treat homosexuality. I know that is very un-PC but it is a disorder. Does that mean I think they should be bullied or killed of course not. Do we hurt people with other disorders no. But there should be research into what causes people to be gay, be it hormonal or social. That way it can be cured or treated if a gay person wish to be no longer gay. Aren’t we for choice in this society? I mean we allow people to have sex changes? The only thing I have againts people being gay is that it is could prevent the perpetuation of the human species. It should be looked into.
I’m gay, and I went to a very small high school in Texas, so you can imagine what kind of a hell I went through coming out and the having an entire community against me. I believe that this school is a good idea but not fully thought through. Putting these kids in a bubble where they feel safe and secure is only causeing them more harm for when they have to leave the school. Their social level and mental capacity to deal with real world situations will not be as strong because they had problems and then someone came along to protect them, that doesn’t happen in the real world for every situation. As much as discrimation has lessended in my perspective say in the work place etc. it still exists, and it will be a major culture shock for them because of the social safety this school seems to offer. Now the details about what type of counseling these kids will get while there is not full described, but I hope if this goes through, that they will be well informed that just because your teachers and peers etc. in a school accept you there will be millions who hate you, as sad as it sounds, its true. They need to learn to rise above the their hard times, and I believe they will be stronger socially, and mentally for the future and being the youth of today and the voices of tomorrow for civil rights and the GLBT community.
While I agree that this isn’t the permanent answer, I think it is a good solution for right now.
My sister was bi-sexual for a time and got beat up every single day at school in her study class of over 300 students. No one would help her – the teacher, the administration, even the principal – despite the bruising and her friends’ stories which corroborated her own. I’m sure it didn’t help that she was also getting verbal abuse at home for her sexual orientation. It got so bad that she attempted suicide. She has switched schools twice now because of similar bullying and inaction by school administrators, finally settling on an online school.
We need to teach more acceptance, and it HAS to start at home. If we can’t love our children for who they are, then what right do we have to even have children? Until the time that these kids can be more accepted, I think it’s necessary to protect them and their right to an education.
Ryan and Jason, that kind of talk doesn’t help anyone. It’s not fair to simply assume that homosexuality can be treated, nor is it fair to project your values on the whole world. People like YOU are the reason that my sister almost killed herself, that these kids need a safer place to learn.
Ryan,
Being gay is not a disorder. You need to read some facts from the experts who flatly disagree with your statement. Don’t let the facts get in your way.
I’m getting quite tired of all these gay people whining about their rights…..What about my right to say I think their lifestyle is sick and wrong?
Why can’t they create a school for only straight, white, attractive people? I don’t want my kids going to school with ugly fat people, it’s not fair to them.
Please note my sarcasm
Being gay IS a disorder….it’s all in their minds
Kirbir…it’s no one’s fault but your sister’s.
She needs to take responsiblity for herself and her own actions. And to quit blaming everyone else because of a poor decision that she made
Todd,
That’s the same argument as saying a woman “asks to be raped”. No one deserves abuse. Clearly the comments made on this site show ignorance to mental health issues, sexual orientation, the definition of moral behavior, and decency towards other human beings. Whatever happened to tolerance, kindness, peace and goodwill?!
I see my posts have created a little bit of anger on one side of the forum. Thankfully, I am thrilled to see I am not the only one with my point fo view.
Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.
Perhaps gays need to learn to deal with the opposite sex and not run away from them. It is not that hard to do, it just takes effort.
Being gay is not fashionable. It should not be treated as such. It is wrong and should not be taught as being acceptable.
These comments come from an atheist, so dont tell me the church is clouding my judgement.
BTW, here is the definition of ignorance:
“lack of knowledge, education, or awareness”
Trust me, I have more knowledge and education than 99.99 % of the population and I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world. The Arabic countries got the stand on homosexuality very right….
Jason:
“Trust me, I have more knowledge and education than 99.99 % of the population and I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world.”
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Could I get a list of those schools or your CV? I have a kid applying for colleges, and I think your list would be helpful for me in steering through the sludge offered by some institutions. I wish your parental unit had done the same for you!
Mespo,
Amen brother. I guess Ryan should consider transferring out of Pat Robertson’s university. He just might learn something.
Bobby
1, October 13, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Being gay IS a disorder….it’s all in their minds
You’re probably not a bad person, but you’re flat wrong on this one. Do some independent research instead of swallowing whole the garbage your church or Fox News spews out.
Jason:
>“Trust me…..
I, for one, do not.
That’s a pretty weak opening gambit in a forum inhabited by some pretty bright folks. It doesn’t bode very well for your competing with Constitutional scholars, university professors and a plethora of attornies. But, hey
>I am acutely aware how homosexuality is destroying this world.”
Well, you’ve informed us you’re smarter than 99.9% of us and we STILL don’t trust or believe you, you’ll have to do a better job of convincing us. You can start now.
rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.
Jason is 100% correct when he says
” Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”
There is a reason it takes a man and a woman to create a child.
I’m not saying God hates gay people. We’re all sinners and we all do bad things and yet God loves us all.
Sarah, why can’t any tolerate the fact that I do not condone homosexuality? What’s wrong with that?
The world is ful of people with different thoughts, opinions, beliefs, etc. We’ll never all be on the same page.
Go hug a tree
Todd:
“…why can’t any tolerate the fact that I do not condone homosexuality? What’s wrong with that?”
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I must say asking us to tolerate the intolerant is certainly a new tact on this blog. Pray tell should we also believe the unbelievable, know the unknowable, and swallow the “unswallowable”?
Bobby:
“rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.”
Imagine if St. Augustine were as adamant as you.
“Jason is 100% correct when he says
” Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”
So, St. Augustine ignored Plato’s ‘Symposium;’ much less every work by Plato & Aristotle?
Foghorn Leghorn: “I say, I say son, do ya, do ya see just how ignorant ya sound?”
Thanks, Mespo. Todd, I never said you or anyone else had to condone homosexuality. If you must know, I, too, believe in the sacred union of a man and a woman for the sake of procreation. Having said that, however, I don’t think that people who feel differently deserve to be treated cruelly. Whatever the reason homosexuality is what it is and that is an undeniable fact. Jason, you are arrogant and DO lack education, awareness and knowledge on this (an probably many) issue. Bobby, you make religious people look bad. The fact of the matter is that whether or not you believe homosexuality is right or wrong, whether you are religious or an atheist, it doesn’t take a genius to know that mistreating others is wrong. This is not about the new school as much as it is about protecting others. There are kids out there who are scared and in some cases suicidal because they are persecuted for who they are. Isn’t freedom from persecution what created this country? Don’t all people have a right to kindness and love from fellow humans, be it man or woman?
On one hand, I see your point. On the other, there is so much violence against gay teens. A kid in California was shot in his own classroom just sitting there. If a kid can’t feel safe, a kid can’t learn. It is hard to know what to do.
Bobby
1, October 13, 2008 at 7:06 pm
rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.
I’ll say again, you’re probably not a bad person, but you and Jason are just wrong. First of all, you’re wrong to put your holy book above intelligence or actual scientific research. That state of denial of facts puts you on roughly the same level as fundamentalist jihadist Muslims who twist their faith and their own holy book to justify their prejudices just as you are doing.
You’re right that it takes a man and a woman to produce a baby, but you’re wrong to assume that only that combination can produce love and caring and committment. Again, I suggest some research into the occurances of homosexual activity in other parts of the animal kingdom. Since humans are animals, there should be no shock that some humans, as some birds, monkeys and other mammals exhibit homosexual behavior.
By the way, it’s a bit disingenuous to call yourself a Christian, i.e. a follower of Christ, and then quote the Old Testament while ignoring the fact that the one to whom you claim fidelity never ever mentions homosexuality once in the New Testament. If you believe so strongly in what is claimed to be his words, then his lack of words on a subject should also carry a lot of weight. Therefore, it’s probably more blessed to use his example and not get yourself so worked up about something he considered too trivial to address.
Bobby:
“rcampbell…..I do my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.”
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Thankfully, the Bible also enlightens us that human slavery is not a sin and is to be respected; that death comes to those who wear different threads side by side; and, my personal favorite, should you find your wife to be less than a virgin on your wedding night, return her to her parents stoop appropriately stoned by you and the community. That is roughly the same morality found in Bobby’s statement–and, as he says, it’s in the Christian Bible. Chapters & verses available upon request.
There is much to refute here. One common theme I noted relates to the merits of reproduction:
“Homosexuality should not be condoned. I dont care if you do it in private, it is still wrong. Or do you feel than man on man love is beautiful??? If so, what does it produce? The answer is nothing.”
-Jason
“The only thing I have againts people being gay is that it is could prevent the perpetuation of the human species.”
-Ryan
“If you must know, I, too, believe in the sacred union of a man and a woman for the sake of procreation.”
-Sara C
Rights aren’t derived from an ability or willingness to procreate.
Should infertile men be allowed to marry fertile women? If so, what does it produce?
If society has a compelling interest in procreation, should proof of fertility be a requirement for a marriage license?
Should couples beyond child bearing age be allowed to marry?
Should vasectomies be condemned or made illegal altogether? How do they help to perpetuate the human species? Perhaps these surgeries should be legal only after a man has given society children? If so, how many children are required?
Should sex with a birth control method be allowed between married partners? If so, what does it produce?
Do single adults who fail to reproduce have value to society? Before they become older and infertile, should their behavior be corrected for the sake of procreation?
If gay marriage was outlawed in Massachusetts, would more children be born there? To whom?
Mespo and Puzzling,
Well done. The extent of hate directed toward the gay community still amazes me. Even more disturbing is the belief by some that being gay is a choice or a disease and can be corrected or cured. I guess this is the same mentality that discounts science and suggests that global warming is not significantly caused by man’s actions. The lack of knowledge is one problem, but the lack of desire to find out the truth is even more disturbing to me.
“Could I get a list of those schools or your CV? I have a kid applying for colleges, and I think your list would be helpful for me in steering through the sludge offered by some institutions. I wish your parental unit had done the same for you!”
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Some attorneys can be brutally and cryptically humorous!
You ought to explain to the 99.9% intelligent guy what his CV is, because given the topic, he might think it is something else altogether.
Luckily, I do know what a cv is, and not, I did not have to look up the meaning of those funny looking latin words…
I have no reason to share that resume, the power of the internet is far too great. Being that my vocal stance does make me the minority, I dont think that revealing details is warranted.
Back to the subject….Mespo, my parental unit did a fine job. Just because I am intolerant of homosexuality does not make me wrong. Most people feel the way I do, but many are fearful of the retribution from the far left.
BTW, my parent unit(s) were a man and a women, how strange? Next you’ll tell me gays can adopt children, how crazy would that be????
Jason:
“Back to the subject….Mespo, my parental unit did a fine job. Just because I am intolerant of homosexuality does not make me wrong.”
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Right, you are, of course. Your vocal stance couched as it is with tremendous intolerance and lack of understanding makes you much worse–it makes you ignorant.
Former Federal LEO:
“Some attorneys can be brutally and cryptically humorous!”
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Suffering fools silently is not my strong suit. Apologies in advance to all the buffoons out there (including me, sometimes).
Speaking of Biblical related themes, I’m wondering how Neo-Cons and other extreme authoritarian variety right wingers compare to gays on the Dante’s Inferno scale.
Oddly enough, Neo-cons, in so much as they continually commit ‘TREASON TO BENEFACTOR’ by using the Constitution as a urinal puck, fall far lower into the depths of hell than any allegedly sinful homosexual.
BTW, I’m betting that the Big Guy doesn’t look kindly on those who aid abet and continually excuse traitors to benefactor (e.g. neo-cons).
You have a nice day.
“Ido my research…it’s called a Bible. Yes I’m a Christian and I do not condone homosexuality. It is a sin.”
Homosexuality is described as an “abomination.” The eating of pork is also described as an “abomination.” If you have eaten pork you have sinned equivalently to having a homosexual relationship. Now you might say that Jesus, Paul actually, made eating pork kosher. If you use that point though then you have to take notice that Jesus never referred to homosexuality. The trouble with those of you who try to interpret your bible by picking and choosing among statements is that in the end you wind up blaspheming the God, you pretend to follow.
Michael:
“If you have eaten pork you have sinned equivalently to having a homosexual relationship. Now you might say that Jesus, Paul actually, made eating pork kosher. If you use that point though then you have to take notice that Jesus never referred to homosexuality.”
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Good to “read” you back. I agree it’s an abomination to eat pork and I suggest separate high schools to accommodate the bar-b-que eating horde. I think we have that already and they call it the North Carolina School System. Jesus never talked about bar-b-que either but of course, the “true believer” knows it is a stoning offense. In our case, I hear the “stones” are hush puppies, and you get slaw with that.
Bob, Esq:
I would say in 8th Circle, Malebolge, and in that Circle’s subdivisions known as Bolgias (Evil Pouches) Numbers 4,5 & 8, maybe.
Liberals
There is a tendency to confuse homosexual tendencies and feelings with acts of homosexual intercourse, because the English word “homosexuality” is often used to describe both.
However, regardless of how we interpret the Bible’s teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies. It is certain actions that are prohibited by Bible teachings, not tendencies or feelings.
A boy or girl who discovers homosexual feelings should realize that, like other interests and feelings, it may be only a passing phase that will fade away in time. Meanwhile, he or she should avoid becoming obsessed with the feelings or indulging in any kind of sexual activity.
A homosexual Christian man or woman is presented with great challenges, and great strength is often achieved by learning to deal with great challenges. Perhaps God has some special mission in mind for that person that is best accomplished outside the restrictions imposed by marriage and family duties.
“A boy or girl who discovers homosexual feelings should realize that, like other interests and feelings, it may be only a passing phase that will fade away in time. Meanwhile, he or she should avoid becoming obsessed with the feelings or indulging in any kind of sexual activity.”
Jessica,
your statement above leads me to assume, please correct me if I’m wrong, that you are a proponent of the “Abstinence Movement.” To me this is a pernicious movement on two levels. The first is that it has been clearly shown not to work. The second is that it evinces a superficial knowledge of religious philosophy and as such might be considered blasphemous in a religious context.
Christian, Islamic and some Jewish religious leaders have emphasized sexual “sins” for centuries, while ignoring the common philosophy that serves as the true basis of those three religions.
That basic truth is found in the formulation of “Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you.” This is so because this “Golden Rule”(as Christians call it) is subversive to the social elites. Following the Golden Rule to its’ logical conclusion would require social fairness and an end to war. This would be inconvenient to those in power and put the comfort of religious leaders in peril.
It is far easier then, for religious leaders to focus on sexual sins and thereby enjoy the benefits bestowed upon them by the “powers that be.” This is why it is more convenient for many Fundamentalist Christians to focus their attentions on sexual matters and ignore the real sins. These real sins are the inequality of wealth, the use of torture and the murder of hundreds of thousands in an unneeded war. Focusing on sex also allows many wealthy Faux Christians to feel the safety of their souls, while ignoring their own sinning against the Golden Rule. I am familiar with the Gospels and the Five Books of Moses and I firmly believe that Jesus was neither a Republican, nor a conservative.
Jessica:
2 Replys:
“Liberals”
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The Religious: People who won’t or can’t think for themselves and rely on 1st century nonsense.
AND
“However, regardless of how we interpret the Bible’s teachings about homosexual acts, it is important to note that the Bible does not condemn people for having homosexual tendencies.”
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Ah sorry there Aquinas, but the Bible certainly does condemn for mere tendencies:
Leviticus 19:17-18
Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Mt 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Just two of many examples that come to mind, but you see the Bible condemns merely for thoughts–and lust, even homosexual lust, gets special treatment. I thought you actually read this book. Like most Christians you haven’t or maybe just the parts you were told to read.
Mike and mespo727272
You can say what you want. I think homosexuality is wrong. You’re not going to change my viewpoint at all. You can throw all the “studies” at me that you want. They’re biased, just like the media.
Just like I’ll never change your opinion on the subject. So just get over it
Like I said, this site is just chock full of Liberals, who want rights for everyone but Christians.
Jessica:
“I think homosexuality is wrong. You’re not going to change my viewpoint at all.”
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No one is trying to convince you of anything. You have made up your mind on scant or suspect evidence and there is no saving you until you agree intellectually to discover the facts on your own without the crutch of some first century spiritualism. You are dogmatic. The point of our refutation is to convince others not so far gone, that there exists another viewpoint much better supported by the evidence than your child-like “because the Bible tells me so” approach.
By the way, I suggest you read the Bible cover to cover. I think even you will find it full of both wonderful philosophy (though not particularly original) and despicable acts of evil condoned as religion. Then we can have an adult discussion about why you believe it to be the unerring word of the omniscient, omnipotent, Creator of the Universe.
Mespo,
At the moment, I can’t think of any argument for defending a neo-con against a finding of treachery and treason to benefactor; not even in an anticipatory memorandum sense.
Jessica,
I didn’t really throw any studies at you, but mainly emphasized that The Golden Rule is the basic tenet of Christianity. Do you disagree? If you do agree, than how do you reconcile The Golden Rule with Conservative Philosophy? If you don’t agree than do you feel that the proscription of sexuality is more important to God than the following of the golden Rule?
“Like I said, this site is just chock full of Liberals, who want rights for everyone but Christians.”
Jessica,
No one on this site is against Christians having their rights and freedoms. Your problem is that you identify Christian Rights with the ability of Christians to impose their beliefs on everyone else. The irony of this is that in this respect you and your ilk seem to share similar beliefs with those in Islam who think Sharia Law should prevail.
As far as Christian rights are concerned I must tell you that as a Jew growing up in the 50’s, I resented my public school assemblies being opened up with Christian Prayers. This was a violation of my rights. Especially so because 50% of the kids in my school were Jewish.
Whatever Mespo…
There is a reason that two penis’s cannot create a child. And I’m talking about two people actually having sex, not two morons in a lab putting semen with an egg.
I’m not going to lie, I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush. I love those guys. So I think you know where I stand on a number of things.
You can go ahead and get your news from the “highly” educated Katie Couric and Campbell Brown. Oh and Charles Gibson in his “smart-looking” glasses”. It’s pretty clear to me which side of the fence you are sitting on.
Jessica, for your personal edification
- this is considered ‘comedy’ in the real world.
Kathy Griffin on ‘Senator Larry Craig’:
Jessica:
“I’m not going to lie, I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush. I love those guys.”
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Don’t worry you’ll grow out of that too! As for my news, I don’t “get it” from anyone. I prefer to read it myself from many sources and make up my own mind. TV is for the lazy and those in need of being told what to think. You don’t have time to consider what you’ve been exposed to like reading a newspaper article. I don’t like being led. Obsequiousness is really not a very attractive quality–nor particularly healthy for a democracy. Here’s a lttle test for you! Who said this:
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
The “regulars” on this blog know it as one of my favorite quotations from one of my favorite persons. By the way, it is the antithesis of Rush and Beck!
Patty C:
KG is my favorite stand up comedian!! Great choice.
“There is a reason that two penis’s cannot create a child.”
That is just so lesbian!
But, can three or more?
My name is Frelima “Free” Sample, owner/CEO of Rainbow muzik, which is an internet-based record label that primarily targets the LGBT (lesbian, gay, transgender, and bisexual) community and provides a lot of educational information on our website regarding current events. I read the article on Chicago’s plan to open a gay-friendly high school and I have mixed feelings. I feel that yes, it is a form of segregation and I completely disagree with the segregation, however I do feel that we must, MUST implement a support system for these kids. I cannot stress how important it is that these lgbt kids have some form of support system put in place to address their specific needs. These kids need support more than any other minority group mainly because, unlike any other minority, many of them are not accepted and face ostracism in their own homes from their parents. it’s bad enough these kids have to face oppression from society, but to have to deal with it at home when they are not even old enough to provide for themselves and move out on their own, demands some major attention from the public. The suicide and homeless rates amongst this demographic of children is excessively high, and the problem is the children do not have enough resources to address their needs to seek help. The only advantage that I see these type of schools having is that there will be resources available to these kids that address their specific needs. So long as the schools offer teaching opportunities to LGBT teachers and provide counseling, and community outreach resources, I don’t know, maybe, and I stress maybe the schools of this type may not be such a bad idea. We HAVE to remember that the LGBT students that opt to attend such schools have enough pride about who they are as individuals, that despite what discrimination they may face from their peers, society and their families, they still have the courage to proclaim their sexuality and not hide it. I have to commend these children for having the strength to be so courageous at such an early age. These children are not on the “Down Low (DL)”, hiding their sexuality and possibly exposing members of the opposite sex to disease and H.I.V. should they engage in unprotected sex without their partner knowing their risk level. No the deception is not there, but the possibility they won’t get hired at a job, admitted to a college, allowed in the military, sneers and whispers, uncouth jokes, and so much more, are realities they face everyday. All realities that a “closeted gay”, if you will, shies away from, because unlike the color of your skin, your sexuality you can hide. Society still has not matured to a level where we can accept people for who the are and their individuality yet, and until it does, the need to protect the children who are simply non-traditional is imperative. I would prefer that the money spent to create the segregated schools be spent on counselors, resources, and the increased hiring of LGBT teachers, but if the school boards refuse to do their part and the new schools are the only option offered, then I have to say, it is a start. Before we can criticize or put forth our opinion we have to take a stand and do our part. You may not like the “Gay Highs”, but unless you are in some way providing resources to these kids with an incredible need for help, you are a part of the problem and adding to it, not part of the solution.
I do think on my own, thanks Mespo. There’s nothing wrong with listening to or reading things someone says or writes. It’s the same way you develope your thoughts as well. YOu don’t lock you’re self up in a little room and block out all media types and make these decisions.
I don’t agree with everything they say. I never said that.
But you seem to have to idea that people have to accept everything and everyone. And I don’t think I do.
I have my own beliefs on what I think is right and you have your own.
Once you realize that, maybe you’ll grow up and quit whining so much
Jessica said:
“I have my own beliefs on what I think is right and you have your own.
Once you realize that, maybe you’ll grow up and quit whining so much.”
You should practice what you ‘preach’.
Conservatives …
“There is a reason it takes a man and a woman to create a child.”
Yep, like you only plan to have sex solely for procreation.
Hmmm, maybe your God made homosexuals to prevent overpopulation?