Karl Rove is promising to defy the subpoena issued by John Conyers — citing instructions from Bush lawyers shortly before the end of the Administration. The statement may indicate that President Bush is preparing for a novel fight: asserting executive privilege against the position of the sitting president (who would presumably support Congress in this matter). In the interview, Rove compares himself to the Great White Whale in Moby Dick.
Appearing on O’Reilly this week, Rove had the following exchange:
Rove: I have been directed, again on January 16, by the outgoing president’s legal counsel, not to respond to a subpoena, exerting privilege on behalf of the former president and his close aides.
O’Reilly: So you’re not even going to show?
Rove: No, and –
O’Reilly: What if they hold you in contempt of Congress?
Rove: Look, this issue is — let’s step back for a minute. This issue of whether or not I should show up — I’ve never exerted any personal privilege, I’ve never said I have a personal right not to show up.
O’Reilly: No, but you’re a counselor to the president, it’s executive — I got all that. But let’s go beyond the argument. I know your argument. Say Conyers says Mr. Rove is in contempt of Congress. What happens then?
Rove: Well, look, this issue is before the United States Circuit Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia. Rep. Conyers could have waited until they resolved the issue one way or the other, gave guidance to him and gave guidance to the former president and to the current president. But instead, he decided to go forward with this — I don’t know if I want to call it a witch hunt, I don’t think of myself as a witch, but I’m certain — this is a guy who went to the cloak room and said, ‘Somebody has to get his –’ and then filled in a crude way to describe my posterior. He’s sort of like Captain Ahab and I’m the whale.
This could be extremely interesting. While Obama appears (again) eager to avoid a fight over such issues, Conyers to pushing ahead. It will force Obama to take a side. If he supports Conyers, he would waive any executive privilege claims. This would leave Bush as asserting the privilege while the current president sees no need to protect the information. This is precisely the plan that Bush lawyers have clearly discussed with Rove, who noted ” “It’s generally agreed that former presidents retain executive privilege as to matters occurring during their term. We’ll solicit the views of the new White House counsel and, if there is a disagreement, assume that the matter will be resolved among the courts, the president and the former president.”
It would also put pressure on Eric Holder to lift the bar on the submission of the criminal contempt charge to a grand jury.
For John Conyers, I suggest that he explain the reason why he has chosen to go forward to force this testimony. Here is the relevant quote:
Captain Ahab: Speak not to me of blasphemy, man; I’d strike the sun if it insulted me. Look ye, Starbuck, all visible objects are but as pasteboard masks. Some inscrutable yet reasoning thing puts forth the molding of their features. The white whale tasks me; he heaps me. Yet he is but a mask. ‘Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate; the malignant thing that has plagued mankind since time began; the thing that maws and mutilates our race, not killing us outright but letting us live on, with half a heart and half a lung.
The “malignant thing that has plagued mankind” is scheduled to appear in the House Judiciary next week or facing a new harpooning by a criminal contempt sanction.
For the story, click here.
I suspect Conyers feels like second mate Stubb as he contemplates a confrontation with Rove:
“Is he mad? Anyway there’s something on his mind, as sure as there must be something on a deck when it cracks.”
And I’m hoping Conyers takes Stubb’s steely approach too:
“Starting at the unforeseen concluding exclamation of the so suddenly scornful old man, Stubb was speechless a moment; then said excitedly, “I am not used to be spoken to that way, sir; I do but less than half like it, sir.”
“‘Avast!’ gritted Ahab between his set teeth, and violently moving away, as if to avoid some passionate temptation.
“No, sir; not yet,” said Stubb, emboldened, “I will not tamely be called a dog, sir.”
I love Moby Dick.
To the last, I grapple with with thee . . .
But I think this quote, also from Moby Dick, is appropriate too.
“Evil is unspectacular and always human, and shores our bed and eats at our own table.”
Evil? Certainly. But evil doesn’t always mean smart – Bush proved that. Rove’s just too stupid to figure out we’ve got his number and there is no escape. The whale was much smarter.
When it comes to personal responsibility, the recurring theme of the Bush administration appears to be, “It’s not my fault. He told me to do it.” I decided to abandon that defense around the age of, oh, 12, having grown weary of my mother’s reference to sticking my head in the toilet on another’s instructions.
Mr. Rove’s whale analogy is accurate only physically. The whale thought for himself. If there is a “malignant thing that has plagued mankind” in this play, it is the Bush-Cheney beast.
Finally, I do not believe that a claim of privilege in any context should be permitted to be raised except in response to specific questions. The blanket assertion in advance fairly reeks of bad faith.
You would think by now Congress would have come up with a clear way to deal around this by arresting Rove themselves and holding him in the Capital. You would also thik the courts would deal with this absurb assertion of Privliage in a more forthright way. So far Rove has made a joke out of Congress and they seem ready to continue to be that Joke. It is truly disturbing!
Blogo is Ghandi and Rove is the whale–good grief. Do they really see themselves as oversized tragic figures? Oversized travesties is more like it.
The Obama administration will have to make a choice on this matter. I hope it is for the rule of law as I do for war crimes.
How quickly the MSM forgets Watergate in reporting this story and in speculating on Rove’s being brought to heel. Had executive privilege been a valid claim, Dean, Butterworth, etc. don’t testify and Nixon burns the tapes. Precedent is established 4 decades ago and still I hear, even from Keith, speculation on whether Bush had executive privelege, or some vestigial remains even now. On Keith I hear Rep. Ted Nadler (D.NY) equivocate on whether this power exists or not. Let me put it simply: If executive privilege viv-a-vis congressional testimony is a real presidential power, then the president is really above the law and the executive rules. I don’t believe that’s the case from a constitutional standpoint, but these last 8 years have prepared me for the possibility of legislative and judicial cowardice.
Buddha:
“The whale was much smarter.”
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Cut a more handsome jibb, too.
I like the part where Ahab ends up going down with the whale. But before that Queequeg gets his too. Although Queequeg is just doing Ahabs bidding. Kind of like all of you on this web site.
Isnt literature grand!
Mike S.
That is a good reminder. We may see a punt and that would be quite disturbing from any number of angles. This issue shouldn’t just go away. We can’t be a nation of laws without being a nation who follows the law, even/especially for the most well-placed individuals.
As a public service I am pasting this. It is at GW so Hopefully JT wont mind. It actually looks like it will be interesting. I believe Dr. Yunus is responsible for micro-loans to women in third world countries to give them capital to start small businesses.
I anyone wants to come and kick my ass I am the 6′6″ 250 lb guy.
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Wow. You can’t even read literature correctly. I’m thinking your the kind of person who thinks Dracula is the hero or the primary tenet of Christianity is “every man for himself.”
Thanks too for coming BACK after you said you were GONE to PROVE AGAIN HOW STUPID YOU ARE. That makes a liar on top of being a CONFESSED evil PNAC Nazi boot licking troll not that that is a huge leap.
So by all means, keep “helping” your boys the Neocon Nazis. With friends like you, who needs an enema?
It’s going to make locking your type up that much easier if you keep on spouting your evil nonsense in public. I bet you don’t even know what TRACERT or tracepath means, do you? And I know you’re not smart enough to spoof your IP. So keep lending a helping hand. Just don’t cry like a little girl when the FBI kicks in your door when rounding up the traitors and their supporters.
And your ignorance in general is profoundly funny. Thanks for the entertainment.
And the best public service you could provide, short of suicide, you know – take one for the team, is simply to go away.
The willfully evil should expect no mercy.
“I anyone wants to come and kick my ass I am the 6′6″ 250 lb guy.”
Bronnieboychik,
As Jimmy Cliff sang “The bigger they come, the harder they fall..one and all.” I’ve had to deal with a lot of very tough people in my time, some bigger than your claimed size and not one of them ever referenced their size as a threat. In fact most really tough guys that I’ve known don’t come off that way. They don’t have to because they know they’re tough. You on the other hand, militarist w/o military service, have continually boasted about your toughness, one way or another. It leads me to believe that you do so because you’re bluffing and insecure. Maybe you are that big, though I doubt it, but frankly that doesn’t scare me. Although I’m 5 inches shorter, more than fifty pounds lighter and have disabling heart disease, you come off like a bully and bullies are easy to handle. That’s because they’re ignorant and overconfident that they won’t have to back up their bluster. You’ve been taken to school in many ways, by many people on this website and that is only in argument. As Buddha has been saying, now your true Nazi side comes out. Will you be there in your fake SS uniform and jackboots so we can recognize you? Be a person of your word and get lost.
I should also point out that in my 30 years of martial arts, I’ve seen dozens of teenage girls capable of taking out an opponent your size and weight. Easily. Without breaking a sweat.
I also believe I indicated there was a possibility that you’d come back with threats of physical violence just like your weaker counterpart we disposed of a couple of weeks ago.
Have you gotten a clue yet?
Your mind is an open book and your psychology laid bare to many of us. You might as well be fighting a psychic because so far, we’ve all been at least two steps ahead of you. So go ahead and quote Sun Tzu some more – it’s obvious your understanding of his principles is flawed at best. We KNOW our enemy as evidenced by how handily the verbal trouncing has gone (as Mike pointed out). Much better than you know us apparently. If you think a physical confrontation would end any differently than the verbal ones, you’re wrong. Again. Most here, including myself, prefer peaceful solutions, but if you insist on taking the path of violence you’ll find none of us doormats either.
We’re the kind of people that can and will defeat you before you even know we are coming.
“I am the 6′6″ 250lbs. guy…”??!!!? O.K. I’ll meet you by the red lockers at 3:15. That way everybody getting on the school bus can see our fight. If I win I like totally get to call you a fag for the rest of the year and you have to sit by yourself during lunch. If you win I’ll do your homework for the rest of the quarter, and I’ll promise to be your friend next year in 4th garde, you fucking tool.
seamus,
rofl
Just a hunch but I still say Bron98 is our own WB/CMM/BB
aka Gaylord Focker, who as WB’s ‘clone’ was an ‘adopted’ child.
The drama continues.
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from his Greatest Hits:
Mike Spindell 1, August 31, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Last Reply,
“Anyway, if you’re going to start blubbering again, then I suggest you stop engaging with me in debate.”
“My father was also 6′2, and right around 220. He was the “runt” of the litter.”
“But since you didn’t raise two little boys, but two little girls by your own admission, you haven’t a clue apparently about difference, a few micrograms of testosterone make.”
crommy,
Is that the best you’ve got. You know very well what I said, but as usual you interpret what you want. You then resort to “macho” insults like “blubbering” to try to impress upon me what a tough man you are. Runt of the litter to imply your Dad was tougher than my Dad. You use testosterone alot in your material and it leads me to believe you’ve got some manhood problems. By that I’m not referring to sexual preferences, but the need to prove somehow that you’re tough…
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I actually did not mean it that way. It wasnt a challenge I was actually admitting that I probably desrve an ass kicking.
And no Semen I would not want to be your friend.
I should have figured that you would not understand that either.
Oh and Puddha is Knocking Queequeg did die you fucking idiot. If I had to live in your head I would kill myself. Actually I would have drowned myself as a kid as a service to mankind so I would not have to grow up to be a useless liberal.
Patty,
That would explain his personal animosity toward me since I made CCM look like a fool on my way in. And you’re right. Whomever this little Nazi is, he seems to have penis issues.
Patty C:
I made your cookie recipe and it was very tasty. Thank you.
Please do then, troll.
Kill yourself that is.
You’d be doing the gene pool a favor by taking out the garbage, little pecker.
Buddha:
yes I do have penis issues, I am hung like a peanut. Thank you for asking
Bron98
Bronnieboy
theocraticanarchis troll
troll
My Pudd is Laughing:
I am not CCM incarnate.
I don’t think anyone was ASKING.
It’s called OBSERVATION.
To be clear, who you are is less salient than what you are.
I do think Bron/Puddha is trying to control the discussion by redirecting the posts to be about him and not the topic at hand. These people show up when their masters get nervous.
Buddha:
I actually have no animosity toward any of you. I just have a difference of opinion. I have gone on the web sites you have sited and actually think about what you say and what are the arguments against what you are saying. It is actually quite interesting. I wish I had been a little more civil the first time out but that is certainly water under the bridge at this point and I see no hope for a rapproachmont.
Although based on what I have read had I just said I have a difference of opinion about Bush and Rove being tried for war crimes I expect that I would have been called a NAZI thug right out of the box. And been asked to commit suicide as a public service.
Although I think Mespo might(that is a big might) have cut me some slack. I hope I havent tarnished your image Mespo.
Jill,
You can see the success they are having too (sarcasm). Normally, I’d agree, but I think this particular troll serves a purpose. OUR purpose. Submitted for your approval, his hate filled ramblings illustrate in detail why the criminals who hijacked the GOP are in truth modern Nazis without the balls to form concentration camps. Violent amoral fascist thugs. The more he comes back, the more he reinforces the position that we are not dealing with a simply difference in policy, but actual evil acts perpetrated with malice aforethought by evil people. The more he illustrates why their forcible removal from political processes in this country isn’t a vendetta based on party, but a necessity dictated by evil.
Bron98:
“I like the part where Ahab ends up going down with the whale.”
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You do? Gracious me, I bet you like the part when the wolf blows down that nasty pig’s straw house too. Good for you. Off to your room now for some milk and cookies. Tell you mom “hi” for me.
It’s not ‘these’ poeople. It is ‘this’ person.
Maybe you should have just stayed out of it, Jill, when I told Bartlebee to get lost the first time time – last spring!
“Oh, poor me!”
You’ve used that tactic, PNAC Nazi.
Try again.
“Off to your room now for some milk and cookies. Tell you mom “hi” for me.”
Mespo, this assumes his mom let’s him out of the basement.
Patty C:
I think you’re right that that plague of locusts know as Bartlebee has returned in earnest. I also think Buddha is correct that his mom has yet to let him see the light of day.
I’d also like to state, once again, that you giving anyone lessons is civility is like teaching a dog to fix a diesel. Fuck both you and your sense of civility, Mr. If Anyone Wants to Kick My Ass. You’ve been given MORE than one chance by more than one person. You’re a confessed enemy of the state who backs torturing traitors and openly endorsed fascism. Beyond the fantastic negative example you provide, it should be clear no one of conscience or possessing clarity of thought would care what you think is civil.
You endorse torture.
You’re evil.
You have no defense, no retreat. You’ve boxed yourself in.
And you’ll reap what you’ve sewn.
The boys you back are going down. Period. Whether its at the hands of the Court or the hands of torch wielding villagers is up to vile little trolls like yourself. History’s lessons place you square on the losing side.
Deal with it. Deal with it someplace else preferably, but please, keep coming back so we can point to the enemy among us.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:18 pm
“Patty,
That would explain his personal animosity toward me since I made CCM look like a fool on my way in. ”
The only fool is you two conspiracy nuts. Everytime someone comes in you don’t like you both claim it’s me. Well, I’m familiar with Tracert dickhead, and you don’t need it to find my IP. I’ll give it to you.
This guy isn’t me asshole. None of the guys you’ve been claiming are me are me stupid. I haven’t commented in here since our last encounter when your big bad self started talking about what a big martial artist you are. And the IP’s will prove that.
You’ve got a big mouth Buhdda, and you and that foul witch you hang around with bullying everyone in this blog are both two of the most immature self righteous pricks in the blogsphere. You might think JT thinks something of you but I’ve discussed this with him and I know that you aren’t half as respected as you think. You’re a child. A big mouthed tough talking child, who I offered the opportunity to exchange contact info with, in hopes that once you spoke with me you’d see I was just a business man, family man, and a decent citizen, not some troll that you and patty have smeared me as in your internet blog bullying sessions.
I left the day we spoke. I come in all the time and read, but I do not comment. Here, let me say that again. I DO NOT COMMENT.
I told JT I respected him but did not wish to subject myself to the constant bullying of Patty and you and the one or two other regular cuckolds who hang with you.
I tried exchanging contact information with you so you could speak with me. I assumed once we did that you’d tone down your constant bullying, and constant attempts at physical intimidation by declaring what a big bad martial artist you are and other subtle threats.
Instead of exchanging contact information, you chose to set a time “in the parking lot” on your turf, like I, a grown man in my 50’s was going to climb on a plane, fly down to whatever southern shithole you live in, and meet you (and your friends) in a parking lot. You really are a fool. A big talking lowbrow, pompous twit.
You’ve referenced your martial arts training in here so many times I’m not sure if this is a legal blog or a Bruce Lee memorial. No one cares about your martial arts training, yet you draw it like a gun.
Anyone who has IP viewing rights on this blog will see I always come in off the same corporate subnet, because I blog from work. So right there you can see that whoever this person is, he ain’t me. And you and Patty can cry about it till the cows come home, talking about how you made a fool of me when in fact, I offered to exchange my information with you and you weren’t brave enough to do that. Apparently you’re not so tough when it comes to actually being introduced to the people you’re slandering and trying to intimidate. That anonymity is your shield, and you hide well behind it.
After all, its easy to talk like a tough guy when you’re anonymous.
I’m not a troll. I sure as hell ain’t a right winger, and none of my posts ever suggested that. I’ve always supported President Obama, and I’m sick of your lies about me in here.
I left. I read, but I don’t comment. If I do comment, it will be under my own handle, and it sure as hell won’t be troll comments.
But I won’t comment, not as long as blog bullies like you and that foul, ugly person named patty are allowed to drive out anyone they don’t like.
And just so there’s no confusion, here is my email, one more time tough guy.
Waynebro@yahoo.com
Shoot me an email and we’ll arrange to speak offline and exchange info and maybe once we speak you’ll be able to back off your juvenile bullying behavior, and start acting like a decent human being.
Or you can continue to hide behind your anonymity. Like Patty and other trolls who do best intimidating others when no one knows who they are.
Wayne,
I’ve already told you how to get in touch with me, chicken shit.
And while we’re at it, your opinion of decent matters as much as as your Nazi buddies opinion of civility.
And if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen, whiner.
I’m still waiting in Kansas City, Mr. Big Balls. Where are you?
here you go liberal venal trolls even one of your own a supreme no less disagrees with you. She may want to but at least she understands what you jack asses dont.
I submit for your viewing pleasure:
ABA Journal July 2008 (maybe she changed her mind after readings Buddhas cogent analysis)
Prosecutions of Bush administration officials for their conduct of the fight against terrorism are unlikely, said speakers at a panel held today during the World Justice Forum in Vienna.
As George W. Bush’s time as U.S. president nears its end and in the wake of recent U.S. Supreme Court rulings rejecting the administration’s treatment of suspected terrorists in the years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a number of commentators and legal experts have suggested that some of those policies violated international conventions prohibiting indefinite detentions and inhumane treatment of detainees.
The issue was raised by an audience member near the end of a program moderated by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But Ginsburg and Michael Posner, president of Human Rights First in New York City, responded that a likelier scenario than legal proceedings against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney and other top members of the administration would be some serious rethinking of U.S. policy since 2001.
The real question, Ginsburg said, is “Where do we go, what lessons can we learn from the past? The important thing is, what you can learn from the past and make sure it doesn’t happen again.”
Ginsburg said a revenge motive that may be fueling some of the calls for legal action against administration officials may help explain the U.S. government’s continuing opposition to the International Criminal Court. The ICC is authorized by the 1998 Rome Statute to investigate and prosecute individuals for serious violations of international human rights laws and war crimes when national legal mechanisms don’t exist to handle such cases. The U.N. Security Council also may refer cases to the ICC.
The Bush administration officially opposes the court on grounds it would put U.S. officials and military personnel at risk of prosecutions.
But Ginsburg also chided another audience member when he said the United States no longer offers the world a model for commitment to the rule of law because of its anti-terrorist policies.
“I would not judge our country by seven years,” Ginsburg said. “It’s had more than 220 years.”
Posner acknowledged that there may be efforts in the United States and Europe to hold U.S. officials legally accountable. “But it’s important to have another kind of accountability, a mechanism that looks at what happened, and why,” he said.
Prosecutions would be legally and politically more complicated, Posner said. He said it’s unlikely any administration would want to get involved in proceedings against leaders of a predecessor administration.
Another speaker at the program, Parvez Hassan, described the trauma in Pakistan when that country’s leader, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, tried to sack the country’s chief justice and most of the judiciary in 2007 and suspended the constitution when it appeared the Supreme Court would reject his attempt to run for another term as president. Musharraf’s actions led to widespread street marches and other protests by Pakistani lawyers.
Hassan praised lawyers in the United States and elsewhere for supporting their Pakistani colleagues. “Every time we heard or read about the American Bar Association marching on our behalf, that was a night we slept well,” said Hassan, a human rights and environmental law activist.
“It hasn’t always happened,” Ginsburg said, “that the lawyers have stepped forward when a country is in turmoil as have the lawyers of Pakistan.”
The ABA and other sponsors of the World Justice Project convened the forum this week to bring together an international roster of leaders of the legal profession and other disciplines to form a consensus on how to advance the rule of law as the foundations for societies of equity and opportunity. On Thursday, the WJP unveiled its Rule of Law Index, meant to measure how effectively countries have applied the rule of law.
Nearly 500 invited attendees from 15 disciplines will wrap up their work Saturday to seek to identify rule-of-law programs that can be implemented in various regions of the world.
Oh that’s right. You’re in Bron’s basement too. If mom let’s you out to fight, be sure to head my way. I don’t usually beat on the mentally handicapped, but since you seem so insistent on being violent, come on down.
Bron,
Too little, way too late. You’ll win converts here just about when Hell freezes solid, but I’d like to thank you and the other troll for showing up and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that when you can’t beat logic, you resort violence.
Just like your Nazi heroes.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:28 pm
“I’m still waiting in Kansas City, Mr. Big Balls. Where are you?”
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Oh that’s right. You’re in Bron’s basement too. If mom let’s you out to fight, be sure to head my way.
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Just as I thought.
I invite him to exchange contact information, provide my private email address to him in a public blog, post my photo several times, and all Chuck Norris here can do is challenge me to fly on an airplane to a parking lot in Kansas where he stated he and his “friends” would be waiting “to fight”.
Some tough guy.
As I thought you’re just a bully troll, nothing more. You and Patty gang up on others in here by hiding behind your anonymity and threats of violence. And yes, they are threats of violence when you keep pointing out your martial arts experience.
In fact, you talk about your martial arts experience more than you punctuate.
No real martial artist constantly brags about his martial arts in a chat room to try and intimidate others, nor do they hide behind a wall of anonymity.
Out of the two of us, I’m the only one who’s posted their own photograph, several times now, and their own private email address.
You on the other hand hide behind your anonymity, along with patty, and call others trolls.
Which makes you two the trolls. Not me.
When your martial arts training gets to the point where it gives you courage enough to write an email, let me know.
In the meantime we all see you for what you are.
A child, who when confronted with an adult, turns to baby threats of fighting in the parking lot, and bragging about how much martial arts he knows.
Wayne:
I hope you were not being contentious on my behalf.
If your retardation allows you to realize that I’m way to smart to give an aggressor the right to dictate terms or lay in wait (like chicken shits like yourself always do), come on to Kansas City, Mr. Mouth.
I’ll be glad to beat your ass. I’ll do it on my terms though, not yours.
Bring it, Big Man. You’re so intent on escalation, so blinded by rage, so bedeviled by your obvious failure to defend your evil stance, that you really want to fight Wayne . . . I’m still waiting.
Violence is the last resort, but it seems the only option that will satisfy you, so come on down.
Careful what you wish for. You’ll get it.
mespo727272 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Patty C:
I think you’re right that that plague of locusts know as Bartlebee has returned in earnest. I also think Buddha is correct that his mom has yet to let him see the light of day.
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Super Bowl recipes, anyone?
Since we couldn’t agree here, I’ve relented and am doing ‘Hoagies’
AND my famous Italian Sausage Chili, tossed greens and a fruit salad.
Mangia…
http://www.recipezaar.com/Real-Italian-Hoagie-130778
The word Hoagie came from the sandwiches that used to get eaten by workers over on a place that was nicknamed “hog island” The workers there would bring crusty rolls with Italian meats and some olive oil and they became known as “hoggies” which eventually morphed into hoagie… Now that I’ve sounded like a Cliff Claven… the only other thing I have to say is don’t make this with a soft roll! It has to be a GOOD crusty Italian Long Roll!
SERVES 4
Ingredients
* 2 teaspoons red wine vinegar
* 1 tablespoon dried oregano
* 1 tablespoon olive oil
* 4 hoagie rolls
* 1/4 lb prosciutto di Parma, thinly sliced
* 1/4 lb capicola, thinly sliced
* 1/4 lb genoa salami or soprassata salami, thinly sliced
* 1/4 lb provolone cheese
* 1 large tomato, thinly sliced
* 1 small onion, thinly sliced
* 1/8 cup shredded lettuce
Directions
1. Slice the rolls, but not all the way through.
2. Place the vinegar and oregano in a small bowl. Slowly whisk in the oil until emulsified.
3. Remove some of the bread from the center of each half of roll (if desired).
4. Drizzle a little of the olive oil mixture on the bread.
5. Place first the meats, then the cheese in layers.
6. Top with the tomatoes, onions, then the lettuce. Drizzle with more of the dressing, as desired.
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From the famous Silver Palate caterers. Great one-dish party fare. Serve with crusty bread and a hearty red wine. (Can be prepared 2 days ahead and refrigerated. Just reheat before serving.)
SERVES 8 -10 (change servings and units)
Change to: Servings US Metric Close
Ingredients
* 1 lb hot Italian sausage, cut into 1-inch pieces
* 1 lb sweet Italian sausage, cut into 1-inch pieces
* 1/4 cup water
* 1/4 cup olive oil
* 1/2 lb onion, coarsely chopped
* 3 tablespoons minced garlic
* 2 lbs ground chuck
* 3/4 lb green bell pepper, coarsely choppd
* 3/4 lb red bell pepper, chopped
* 1/3-1/2 lb green jalapeno, seeded and cut into 1/8-inch dice
* 3 (36 ounce) cans Italian plum tomatoes, drained
* 1 cup dry red wine
* 2 tablespoons tomato paste
* 1 cup minced fresh parsley
* 6 tablespoons chili powder
* 3 tablespoons ground cumin
* 2 tablespoons dried oregano, crumbled
* 1 tablespoon dried basil, crumbled
* 1 tablespoon salt
* 2 teaspoons fresh ground pepper
* 1 1/2 teaspoons fennel seeds
* 2 lbs fresh Italian plum tomatoes, quartered
* grated monterey jack cheese or grated cheddar cheese
* sour cream
* sliced green onion
Directions
1. Combine sausages and water in heavy large skillet over medium heat. Cook until sausages are brown, stirring frequently, about 10 minutes. Transfer sausages to paper towels and drain.
2. Heat oil in heavy Dutch oven over low heat. Add onions and garlic. Cook until translucent, stirring occasionally, about 7 minutes.
3. Increase heat to medium. Add ground chuck and cook until well browned, mashing with fork and stirring frequently.
4. Add sausage, bell peppers and chilies. Cook until peppers are wilted, stirring frequently, about 10 minutes.
5. Mix in canned tomatoes, wine and tomato paste. Stir in herbs and spices. Simmer 10 minutes, stirring frequently.
6. Add fresh tomatoes and cook 10 minutes. Tip pan and degrease.
7. Spoon into bowls.
8. Pass cheeses, sour cream, and onions separately.
Buddha:
just because I generaly agree with what PNAC has to say does not make me a NAZI. I see nothing wrong with having a strong military and trying to project American values around the globe, what part of liberty, freedom, free markets do you have a problem with? If I know my Dick Cheney he pretty much thinks that America is good and worthy of being emulated. I seriously doubt he is a Nazi. I think you are confused about Nazis are, I actually think you mean Fascist
excuse me what Nazis are
Maya. There are people here that are maya. Let them go.
All the Mayans I know live in the Yucatan.
I assure you there are none represented here, although they are among the most gracious people I have ever met and have shown me a thing a or two about cooking.
Patty,
you are doing harm to my fat free, low sodium diet. The Italian Sausage Chili is sending to my kitchen, since I do the cooking at home. I guess I can substitute turkey sausage. Oh well I’ll figure something out. Yours though sounds so delicious in the telling my mouth is watering.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Bring it, Big Man. You’re so intent on escalation, so blinded by rage, so bedeviled by your obvious failure to defend your evil stance, that you really want to fight Wayne . . . I’m still waiting
Lol, that’s it Buddha, keep lying through your teeth even though the comments show clearly that it is you who are the only one talking about fighting.
Not only have I not said anything of the sort, nor did I ever even hint at it.
I stated plainly and repeatedly that I merely wanted to see if you were able to come out from behind your cloud of anonymity, so as to speak to me like a human being, instead of constantly slandering and threatening me and others in here.
You talk a good game Budha, but at the end of the day you hide behind your tough talk and your anonymity.
I’ve provided my photo, my email, and even offered to exchange contact information with you if you were just man enough to come out from your wall of anonymity.
Your response was and is to challenge me to “show up” at a parking lot in Kansas” so you and your “friends” can meet me.
Laughable. Beyond laughable.Prepubescent like even.
Perhaps patty and a few of her cuckolds buy your act, but I see right through you.
I’ve put myself out there to prove I am not a troll including posting my photo, email and even offering more if you met me half way. But as of this writing, you’re still in here challenging people to fight, lying about it, bragging about your “30 years of martial arts” (ad nauseum) and my inbox still has no email from Buddha is laughing, or any other Zen masters.
Buddha is laughing alright.
He’s laughing at you.
Bron,
Read all you can on fascism and get back to me on PNAC.
Bron98 1, January 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Wayne:
I hope you were not being contentious on my behalf.
Nope. Don’t even know you.
Don’t even want to.
Hey Wayne,
I’ve told you what you need to do to see me IRL. So respectfully, put up or shut up Billy Badass. See your problem is you think you’re dealing with a soldier when I’m more like a general. Why should I surrender my hold of the hill because you won’t do what I told you to do to get to see me, shitheel? Why should I meet an acknowledged aggressor on his terms? Hmm? I shouldn’t because I’m not a moron like you, sport. I didn’t just read Sun Tzu, I understood him.
You want a fight.
You think you’ve got skills.
Battles are won in the mind before they are started.
You are brining a peashooter to a missile attack.
I ran you off once because YOU COULDN’T DEFEND YOURSELF . . . in an ARGUMENT. What’s changed since then?
Not a thing. Except you were stupid enough to come back and threaten me physically again.
You have MORE than enough information to find me if you’re serious.
I’m pretty sure the jury is back on your “seriousness” too, buddy.
So I’ll put this in language clear enough for you to understand. I am in the same place I was last time you threatened me. Come GET me or shut the fuck up, Wayne. You’re starting to sound like s psychotic with Tourette’s. You’ll walk away just like the last idiot who tried to start a fight with me. Or I’ll break every bone from your wrist to your shoulder. On both arms. Your choice.
Jill,
You know Sanskrit?
Also, do you remember when the long drawn out arguments were about the topic at hand, not who could piss the farthest into the wind? Oh how I long for the good old days.
I think these people do (at least on the surface) think of themselves as larger than life figures. If you think the fate of the country rests on your shoulders, it’s easier to justify your actions as necessary. If you just so happen to profit from your necessary actions, so much the better.
Is the normal tone for this site?
Jason,
No, it’s not.
I think they believe their own bullshit as well. They’re surrounded by sycophants inflating their already galaxy sized egos. A true leader does everything in her or his power to break through the “power bubble” that surrounds them, so they will learn about themselves and the reality of the situation. I also think maya explains a lot of things, including what is happening on this blog–Yoicks!
Mike,
Some of the turkey or chicken Italian-style sausages are really quite good and I add beans (black, kidney, and cannellini) to mine also, which adds another layer of flavor and protein volume that we really appreciate, And I freeze a ton of it.
I love to fool around with spices and herbs, a lot of which I grow myself. It’s fun!
Bon Appetit!
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Hey Wayne,
I’ve told you what you need to do to see me IRL. So respectfully, put up or shut up Billy Badass. See your problem is you think you’re dealing with a soldier when I’m more like a general.
A general idiot perhaps.
For the last time, no one spoke of fighting other than you.
I’ve said a half dozen times now I would never challenge someone in a blog to fight, (who would other than a juvenile moron?) nor would I accept such a challenge, yet you keep lying and pretending I am because you’re too much the coward to come out of anonymity.
In fact, whenever you meet someone you can’t beat in a debate, you turn to bloviating about your “30 years of martial arts” and threatening to “kick their ass”.
You’re a joke.
And Buddha’s still laughing at you.
Wayne:
please leave Buddha alone. I have found some information about him that would make you ashamed of yourself for talking like that to him. Suffice it say that the illusion is his. Kind of like the Star Trek episode (the original) where Captain Pike is left with the big headed guys.
Hope this helps.
Gyges,
Dude. Sorry, I truly am, but I’m not likely to let physical threats drop. As far as larger than life, well, it’s called ‘an act.’ Feathers. Horns. Wild colors. On my part anyway. I’m a formidable opponent on many levels but I am far from perfect or superhuman. At least with Bron, he is somewhat on topic, but Wayne, well, Wayne is skirting actionable territory and is possibly a dangerous psychotic.
For your pleasure, I’ve said what I had to say to him.
As for Bron, he wants to know what’s wrong with PNAC, I told him where to look. I think he may have learned a lesson about physical confrontation judging by his last post. I have no issue with earnest questions. As long as he doesn’t break out the propaganda stick. In this room, the propaganda stick always meets resistance.
I still think this mindset of people like this just goes to further illustrate what Melville said about evil. Teach by example. A cautionary tale. Political fetal pigs in formaldehyde. They are annoying and distracting, but I think they provide a window into the Neocon mind that illustrates to people undecided that, yes, there are some political mindsets and people that are ultimately incapable of unhurtful acts. Yes, there IS an enemy within our system. He is us as Walt once said. We cannot heal ourselves if we don’t examine the afflicted parts and excise the offending tissue from the body politic. These are cancers. One might be curable. The other most certainly fatal. But now the illness has a face.
Or Bron could keep providing examples for the little zoo display.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Gyges,
Dude. Sorry, I truly am, but I’m not likely to let physical threats drop.
You’re a liar.
There isn’t ONE SINGLE COMMENT of mine that even hints of a physical threat.
Not ONE.
I offered to “EXCHANGE CONTACT INFORMATION” and “SPEAK CASUALLY ON THE PHONE”.
If that’s what constitutes a physical threat to you, then you are a bigger wimp than you sound like.
You on the other have threatened me now repeatedly.
So you’re using a right wing troll tactic now, of accusing me of what you yourself just got through doing.
Think I’m wrong?
Fine.
Show us ONE COMMENT where I “physically threatened” you.
Just one.
See a doctor. Soon. Seriously.
Yea, instead of producing a comment supporting your false claims that I “physically threatened you” you come back with that lame juvenile tripe.
You’re a liar, and you just proved that.
No, Wayne. And this is serious. I’M NOT FEEDING YOUR PSYCHOSIS ANYMORE. I’m not going to dig through all your garbage again. You got trounced, you got threatening and then you stormed off like the child you are to sulk until you had the balls to come back.
Seek help. You need it.
But all that was proved here is how crazy you really are.
Patty C:
“From the famous Silver Palate caterers.”
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That’s my favorite book in my kitchen. I ‘m looking at it now. Try that Tortellini Salad Alfredo. Wow!
Hey, I have both torellini and the makings for alfredo. Care to share the recipe?
As for seeing a doctor, you’re the one making all the threats of violence in a blog.
And the comments prove it.
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm
“If mom let’s you out to fight, be sure to head my way.”
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 2:11 pm
“come on to Kansas City, Mr. Mouth.”
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm
“Violence is the last resort, but it seems the only option that will satisfy you, so come on down.”
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:28 pm
“I’m still waiting in Kansas City, Mr. Big Balls. Where are you?”
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm
“I don’t usually beat on the mentally handicapped, but since you seem so insistent on being violent, come on down.”
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As we see, this sampling of your threats is here for all in black and white.
You have yet however to produce one from me.
Although, honestly, I am in the market for a good lasagna recipe. I have a box of lasagna noodles old enough to vote I should use. What’s the word on that, mespo?
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 5:25 pm
No, Wayne. And this is serious. I’M NOT FEEDING YOUR PSYCHOSIS ANYMORE. I’m not going to dig through all your garbage again. You got trounced, you got threatening and then you stormed off like the child you are to sulk until you had the balls to come back.
Well clearly that’s because you’re feeding your own.
I never once threatened you with anything other than exchanging telephone numbers.
Unless of course you’re saying that exchanging telephone numbers frightens you.
It’s easy to sit back and lie about someone. In court I believe they call that “Hearsay”. You claim I said something but when asked to prove it, you can’t do it.
And then accuse me of being psychotic for asking you to prove your slanderous lies about me.
I on the other hand have no problem proving your threats. Your constant turning to talk of violence whenever someone dares to stand up to you in here.
The posts don’t lie.
Only liars lie.
Buddha:
Patty C has some great recipes. I like the vegetable lasagna one she gave a long time ago. That soup she suggested is incredible too. I actually froze some!
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 1:31 pm
If mom let’s you out to fight, be sure to head my way. “
Buddha:
“Hey, I have both torellini and the makings for alfredo. Care to share the recipe?”
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Read it and weep –it’s that good:
Tortellini Salad Alfredo
# 1 pound meat-, mushroom- and/or cheese-filled tortellini
# 2/3 cup Silver Palate Tomato Alfredo Pasta Sauce
# 1/3 cup sodium-reduced chicken or vegetable stock
# 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
# 1 red bell pepper, seeds and membranes removed, chopped
# 1 medium red onion, chopped
# 1 clove garlic, minced
# 1 cup imported black olives
# 3/4 cup chopped flat-leaf parsley
# 2 tablespoons small capers
# 1-1/2 tablespoons Silver Palate Vinegar Balsamico of Modena
# Salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste
# Grated Parmesan cheese, optional
Cook tortellini according to package directions and drain well. Meanwhile, combine Tomato Alfredo Pasta Sauce, stock and olive oil in a bowl. Toss tortellini with sauce. Add bell pepper, onion, garlic, olives, parsley, capers and Vinegar Balsamico of Modena. Season with salt and pepper. Taste to adjust seasonings. Serve at room temperature or chilled. If served chilled, add more oil and vinegar, if needed. Pass Parmesan cheese.
Serves 6.
I’d suggest ordering that sauce from them. It really is worth it.
Hey Patty!
How about helping a brother out with a lasagna recipe? I have sausage and beef, but I do like a good spinach lasagna too. Just never made one.
Well, back to my silent exile, watching you lofty superiors talk your highbrow speak, which mostly consists of bullying everyone who comes in here whom you don’t like and rallying together to post recipes when your brains can’t keep up with your keyboards.
Enjoy pretending the trolls are me.
Enjoy bad mouthing me and making up lies.
Enjoy telling each other how superior you all are.
I’ll enjoy reading about it, and watching as you clowns start to realize that Professor Turley stopped for the most part blogging in here, and talking with you people.
And I’ll enjoy it even more when you figure out why.
Really? Order the sauce? That must be some sauce. One disadvantage of growing up in New Orleans is that I don’t think I’ve had a jarred Alfredo since college. It was one of the first sauces I learned to make. But the homemade stuff, oh man, I might as well and put in a cork. I only make it once every 3 months, but next go around I’ll give that a shot.
“might as well open a vein and put in a cork”
Mike S:
Bronnieboychik,
As Jimmy Cliff sang “The bigger they come, the harder they fall..one and all.” I’ve had to deal with a lot of very tough people in my time, some bigger than your claimed size and not one of them ever referenced their size as a threat.
**I was actually admitting that I deserved an ass whipping, I was not trying to threaten anyone**
In fact most really tough guys that I’ve known don’t come off that way. They don’t have to because they know they’re tough. You on the other hand, militarist w/o military service, have continually boasted about your toughness, one way or another.
**I have never boasted about my toughness or lack thereof and you are right I have never served in the Armed forces of the United States and it is one of the disapointments of my life, I was 4fd when I tried to enlist due to an arm that would not straighten out all the way from a childhood injury**
It leads me to believe that you do so because you’re bluffing and insecure. Maybe you are that big, though I doubt it, but frankly that doesn’t scare me.
**yes I actually am that large and I used it as a physical trait so you could find me. I could have said the brown haired guy with blue eyes too, but figured from across a room you would not be able to tell**
Although I’m 5 inches shorter, more than fifty pounds lighter and have disabling heart disease, you come off like a bully and bullies are easy to handle. That’s because they’re ignorant and overconfident that they won’t have to back up their bluster.
**I have never blustered on this web site, I have stated my opinion which is to wit that “liberal philosophy is counter productive to human life on earth” I defy you to tell me one thing that liberals havent fucked up, from public housing to environmental regulations**
You’ve been taken to school in many ways, by many people on this website and that is only in argument.
**I havent heard one decent argument as to why Bush and Rove should be tried for torture or any other liberal position, its all he’s a PNAC Nazi. You tree dwellars dont even seem to know what a Nazi is***
As Buddha has been saying, now your true Nazi side comes out. Will you be there in your fake SS uniform and jackboots so we can recognize you?
**you and Buddha would have been brown shirts a lot quicker than I would have been. You worked for the government, I never have, as far as I am concerned your a blood sucking whore who I have carried on my back while you and your kind strangle the life out of common decent folks who work for a living**
Be a person of your word and get lost.
**why,so you can all feel good about being liberal and playing pudd knocker and trying to stick it fo GW and Karl**
Buddha:
The Silver Palate has a fine website withmost of their sauces on it. It’s at:
http://www.worldpantry.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=127573&cgrfnbr=145215
I like teh Alfredo with a tad of color and add some tomoato sauce to get it to that pink color They do it for you and send it to you. I f you like to make it, go ahead. Use the tri-color totellini.
Hope all this Super Bowl merriment won’t get in the way of all our favorite poster’s vitriol, as he recedes into the gloom, only to rise again as Count Waynebro, confessor to JT and the Jiminy Cricket to our moral lapses.
Buddha,
I was actually talking about Rove referring to himself as Moby Dick and the former Gov. comparing himself to Ghandi, trying to get the conversation steered back to what’s really important. Another example of this administrations tendency to think of itself in mythic terms, I’d like everyone to think about the infamous work from the dark side comment. If that’s not a quote from the gritty “Anti-hero” archetype I don’t know what is.
As for the rest, I’ve told you how I feel about your trash talking. I don’t enjoy reading it, so I don’t. I wouldn’t tell you to stop anymore than I’ve told Bron to stop. As you’ve said, it’s JTs house, I’ll let him tell you not to track mud in it. If it weren’t for the fact that a few of the regulars seemed to stopp coming around right around the time the worst of it hit, I wouldn’t really care one way or the other.
Gyges,
Then we are in agreement.
Sorry, but I must have missed this one and it’s a comment so nice we should post it twice.
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 4:36 pm
So I’ll put this in language clear enough for you to understand. I am in the same place I was last time you [offered to speak to me on the phone or through email].
Come GET me or shut the fuck up, Wayne.
You’re starting to sound like s psychotic with Tourette’s. You’ll walk away just like the last idiot who tried to [speak to me on the phone or through email].
Or I’ll break every bone from your wrist to your shoulder.
On both arms.
Your choice.
Yup.
You’re a high faloootin bunch in here, that’s for sure.
Gyges:
I have read quite a good many of the postings, all quite intelligent and to the point. It looked like you were having some fun with Bron98 but then Waynebro entered and everything took a nose dive what is the history with Buddha and Wayne. It was clash of the Titans.
As always the facts are twisted to make yourselves look superior.
Somehow Jason your little synopsis omitted the fact that Waynebro only “entered” after being repeatedly slandered by Patty, Buddha and Mespo.
Here, allow me to illuminate you.
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mespo727272 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Patty C:
I think you’re right that that plague of locusts know as Bartlebee has returned in earnest. I also think Buddha is correct that his mom has yet to let him see the light of day.
Patty C 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:37 pm
It’s not ‘these’ poeople. It is ‘this’ person.
Maybe you should have just stayed out of it, Jill, when I told Bartlebee to get lost the first time time – last spring!
Patty C 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Just a hunch but I still say Bron98 is our own WB/CMM/BB
aka Gaylord Focker, who as WB’s ‘clone’ was an ‘adopted’ child.
The drama continues.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Patty,
That would explain his personal animosity toward me since I made CCM look like a fool on my way in. And you’re right. Whomever this little Nazi is, he seems to have penis issues.
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All these comments were made before I ever said one single word.
In fact I haven’t said a word in this blog for the last month.
Yet here these three “superior intellects” are slandering me, as if they were obsessed with me.
Only then did I break my silence to address these false accusations.
There.
Now your story is more complete. I’ll leave the direction things took to your own preferences. But now at least you’ve got your facts straight.
Jason,
I consider the fetal pig portion of the lesson complete. Move on, buddy, help the conversations like you’ve been doing.
And of course in this case, the “fetal pig” would be who again?
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Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 4:36 pm
You’ll walk away just like the last idiot who tried to [speak to me on the phone or through email].
Or I’ll break every bone from your wrist to your shoulder.
On both arms.
Your choice.
Wayne:
I think they think you are Bron98. I dont think they care for that guy too much. I would not sweat it though no one knows who you are or didnt until you were willing to give it up. In my opinion you should be taking Bron98 to task, he and Buddha have really been at each others throats although it seems that Buddha is the better man.
I think that Buddha was just fed up, (Buddha I hope I am not putting words in your mouth) and was confused about who was who. Heck reading some of Bron98’s posts I wanted to go kick his ass myself, sleezy little gutter runner.
I will say it was a great slug fest between you and the Buddha and from my perspective I would not want to take either one of you on.
Wow! I get home from work and I see that you guys/gals have been busy today. As long as we are dealing with the Von Troll family members, can’t we all get along? I love the sarcasm as much as the next person, but we don’t need to get personal.
Now,
about Rove…this is a good thing that Conyers is pushing ahead on his investigation, as he should. I agree with Prof. Turley that this may force Obama to make a decision on this issue. Rove belongs in jail somewhere and I for one would be happy to see Conyers begin his road down the river.
Jason2L 1, January 30, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Wayne:
I think they think you are Bron98. I dont think they care for that guy too much.
Thanks Jason, but I’m fairly confident they’re none too fond of me either.
I believe Bron is the same entity who was once known on a liberal website as “Parsnips.” He was banned from that site but ever since has come back again and again as endless sock puppets. The consensus there, too, was that he was an adolescent. Now the spelling is a little better, and he’s able to last a little longer with nearly rational arguments, but when he breaks down it’s pure parsnips.
Hey Bron, Karl Rove is in big trouble. People are sick of his lies and excuses. We aren’t going to let him get away with it anymore.
The superbowl is a minor bit of fun, but if Rove his sent to jail I’m going to make a huge batch of Patty’s chili and invite everyone over to watch the tapes. Maybe someone will launch a “Karl cam” in jail so we can all enjoy some reality TV.
Lindy Lou:
Karl in jail on the shower cam! not a pretty thought especially if he bends over to pick up the soap.
I will supply him with cigarettes though so he can get a prison bitch.
Karl cam. rofl
I’d put out for PPV on that one.
JT did this article last Valentine’s Day. Feel the love.
Talk about a stimulus package – PPV, indeed!
http://jonathanturley.org/2008/02/14/conyers-moves-contempt-matter-against-meirs-and-bolton-toward-house-floor/
Individuals were once arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate. They were dragged to one of the house floors (it is purely a matter for each individual house) and made to answer for the charges. This became too time-consuming so Congress created that statutory process of referral in 1857. Congress last used inherent contempt in a 1934…
p.s. I noticed the date has been bumped up from Monday to 2/23.
I have seen you on MSNBC many a night. Why does Obamah not seem to get the gravity of what has been done in our name. We are now to investigate war crimes of other when we will not look in the mirror.
I expected to see jets leave from Texas with the whole Bush loyalist team, headed for Saudi Arabis and the family members of the royal family and friends did after 911.
Bush, Condi, Rove, Scooter, Cheney,…..all should be on trial.
Keep the comments coming. There are plenty of outraged Americans who want to see them prosecuted.
mespo,
I had to substitute the alfredo for homemade and the balsamic with what I had, but good lord! I feel like I ate the state of Rhode Island. I think I may try that with ravioli some time too.
BIL, here’s two tortellini salads from SP~
I apologize. I cannot locate my copy. Someone may have borrowed it and I don’t see the complete recipe online. Maybe mespo can help with the sauce – which you could probably improvise, I bet.
http://www.worldpantry.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/silver/recipeone.d2w/report?rcpn=100471&rcpp=149838
Tortellini Salad Alfredo
# 1 pound meat-, mushroom- and/or cheese-filled tortellini
# 2/3 cup Silver Palate Tomato Alfredo Pasta Sauce
# 1/3 cup sodium-reduced chicken or vegetable stock
# 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
# 1 red bell pepper, seeds and membranes removed, chopped
# 1 medium red onion, chopped
# 1 clove garlic, minced
# 1 cup imported black olives
# 3/4 cup chopped flat-leaf parsley
# 2 tablespoons small capers
# 1-1/2 tablespoons Silver Palate Vinegar Balsamico of Modena
# Salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste
# Grated Parmesan cheese, optional
Cook tortellini according to package directions and drain well. Meanwhile, combine Tomato Alfredo Pasta Sauce, stock and olive oil in a bowl. Toss tortellini with sauce. Add bell pepper, onion, garlic, olives, parsley, capers and Vinegar Balsamico of Modena. Season with salt and pepper. Taste to adjust seasonings. Serve at room temperature or chilled. If served chilled, add more oil and vinegar, if needed. Pass Parmesan cheese.
Serves 6.
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Garden Fresh Tortellini Salad – The Silver Palate Good Times Cookbook, Rosso and Lukins
1 pound good quality fresh or frozen spinach tortellini
1 pound good quality fresh or frozen egg tortellini
1head broccoli (1 pound) broken into florets and tender stems sliced
1 pound carrots, peeled and cut diagonally into ¼ inch slices
3 leeks (white part and two inches of green well rinsed, dried and cut into thin julienne
1 large sweet red pepper, cored, seeded, and cut into julienne
1 large sweet yellow pepper, cored, seeded and cut into julienne
½ cup chopped fresh basil
1 egg yoke
2 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon Dijon style mustard
1 tablespoon balsamic vinegar
1 cup vegetable oil
½ cup olive oil
1 teaspoon dried thyme
finally grated zest of one orange
Salt and freshly ground pepper, to taste
Cook the tortellini in boiling salted water according to package instructions. Drain thoroughly and place in a large bowl.
Cook the broccoli florets, stems, and carrots separately in boiling salted water just until tender. Drain and combine with tortellini.
Blanch the julienne leeks 1 minute in boiling waster; drain. Add leeks, red and yellow peppers, and fresh basil to the salad and toss to combine.
Process the yoke, lemon juice, mustard, and vinegar in the food processor fitted with a steel blade for 30 seconds. With the machine running, pour the oils in a thin steady stream through the feed tube to make a light mayonnaise. Add the thyme, orange zest, and salt and pepper to taste. Process to combine.
Pour the dressing over the salad and toss to coat thoroughly, Serve at room temperature or slightly chilled.
8 to 10 portions – Enjoy!
rafflaw -
Wow is right!
Patty C –
Nice recipes. I have a Super Bowl recipe for Chili Con Queso but it would not win any awards from the cardiologists. I won’t post it because I want everyone to survive until the next Super Bowl …
But it does involve the classic American Velveeta cheese, some milk and/or cream, onions, lots of sliced jalepeno peppers, various dried red pepper flakes and other spicy spices, chili powder, and of course the chips and beer.
Good old, unhealthy football cuisine.
I think by now, and by a long time ago, anyone with common sense can
see that the ‘War on Terror’ and 9/11 with some Anthrax attacks thrown in was and still is a Nazi ideology synthetic lie perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney Cabal and the psychopathic Neocons in cahoots with the CIA, ISI and the Mossad.To me it is a no brainer,the facts are to strong.
Hundreds and hundreds of former Pentagon officials, ex CIA and FBI and former White House officials have all agreed on it in various documentations.
That’s not a conspiracy theory but rather conspiracy factuality.
No, I’m not a so called wacked out liberal but rather a concerned citizen who has researched thousands of pieces of facts in a two year period and the coincidences and facts point toward a conspiracy so big that it’s difficult for the average American to get it’s head around it. Most of them don’t do the research such as yourself Bron98.
**you and Buddha would have been brown shirts a lot quicker than I would have been. You worked for the government, I never have, as far as I am concerned your a blood sucking whore who I have carried on my back while you and your kind strangle the life out of common decent folks who work for a living**
Actually Bronny I would have been sent to the camps because I’m Jewish and Buddha because he’s too much of an iconoclast. As far as my work goes what kind do you do. I’ve supported myself totally since I was seventeen, a problem orphans have. I’m not sitting at home, like you, supported by my parents. You don’t pay taxes. Finally, what a bald-faced liar you are. Of course in the context of what you were saying you were making a threat and that wasn’t the first time you resorted to threats in your writing. What I do find amazing about you is that you lack the self awareness to even realize what a sad figure you cut when it comes to political debate. It is the illness of those who grew up listening to Limbaugh and thinking he is cool.
You know I’ve reconsidered my last post in light of things both Rafflaw and Jill have said. I apologize for my contribution to the continuance of off-thread banter and berating the troll. I’m more than old enough that I should know better, but occasionally, set off today by the Giuliani piece I let annoyance overcome reason and wind up wasting people’s time. I’m not saying this by the way because some have deemed me “one of the nicest guys on the Internet,” but because I think it’s important to recognize when I’m behaving badly. That last post was an example and it embarrasses me.
I’ve never been called an iconoclast. Thanks, Mike.
You know, people wouldn’t say you’re the nicest guy on the internet if you didn’t act like him.
Buddha Is Laughing 1, January 30, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Hey Patty!
How about helping a brother out with a lasagna recipe? I have sausage and beef, but I do like a good spinach lasagna too. Just never made one.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=fQREwtRdW0sC&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=Figs+table+lasgane&source=web&ots=xOwzoS09Yk&sig=BrioM-Iv_qqJ6kYFIaX_ovNorxk&hl=en&ei=nLmESYSkJNG3tweg77TRCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA117,M1
This is an easy delcioso deep dish lasagna recipe from
‘The Figs’ Table by Todd English-makes two 8″ or one very large 9×12″
You can make it ’spinach’, by adding lightly cooked spinach that you have squeezed all of the water from and chop up and drain and layer in, lightly, along with the fresh basil leaves. I like fresh spinach, in a salad with fruit – on the side.
I make pasta prima vera but not veggie lasagna, per se, with the bechamel, but if I were to make it, this Recipe Czar recipe sounds pretty good…
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If you are looking for a vegetarian lasagna recipe, or simply want to update the Italian classic, try this easy pepper and spinach version. I can’t tell you just how terrific this veggie lasagna is – tender pepper and fresh spinach smothered in oozing cheese.
SERVES 4 (change servings and units)
Ingredients
* 5 red peppers, thickly sliced
* 2 tablespoons olive oil
* 2 tablespoons balsamic vinegar
* 3 garlic cloves, finely chopped
* 8 ounces fresh baby spinach
* 5 ounces fresh lasagna noodles, prepared according to packet instructions
* 10 ounces mozzarella cheese, thickly sliced
For the bechamel sauce
* 2 1/2 cups milk
* 1 bay leaf
* 2 ounces butter
* 1 1/2 ounces flour
* 1 teaspoon Dijon mustard
* 5 ounces parmesan cheese, grated
Directions
1. Preheat the oven to 350°F Place the peppers in a roasting tin and drizzle with the oil and balsamic vinegar. Roast for 20 minutes, add the garlic and roast for a further 10 minutes until the peppers are softened and charred.
2. Meanwhile, wilt the spinach in a large pan with a splash of water for 2 minutes only. Season well and set aside.
3.To make the sauce, heat the milk with the bay leaf to just below boiling point and simmer gently for 5 minutes. Melt the butter in a non-stick pan, add the flour and cook, stirring allthe time, for 2 minutes. Gradually add the milk, whisking well, and bring to the boil until thickened. Stir in the mustard and half of the Parmesan.
4.To layer up the lasagna, spoon a third of the sauce into the base of an ovenproof dish. Scatter over half of the peppers, half of the spinach and half of the mozzarella. Top with a layer of lasagna. Repeat this process, finishing with the final third of the sauce. Scatter over the remaining Parmesan and bake for 25 to 30 minutes.
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P.S.
The troll nonsense could have been nipped in the bud a long long
long-long time ago – as I stated yesterday…
I’d say we’ve all shown remarkable ‘restraint’.
Patty,
I am getting hungry just reading your recipe. I also agree that the troll issue should have been nipped early on. I also agree that our restraint was remarkable under difficult circumstances.
Mike S.,
You are not only one of the nicest men on the internet your are a class act. It takes a decent, strong person to write what you did. I hope you won’t mind, when I next write something I regret, if I borrow from what you said!
Patty,
Thanks for that. I’ll try that next time I do Italian in a couple of weeks. I’m finished off the leftovers from the Alfredo Tortellini Salad tonight. It was quite a hit.
And for the record, I almost love any recipe with capers in it.
lol love almost
There was wine involved with the leftovers!
MikeS:
then you would have been one of the guys that helped the Nazis in the camps.
Mike,
You do not have anything to be ashamed of. The trolls are the ones who should be ashamed.
hey all you Turley Trolls:
their is growing evidence that Bush and Cheney have/are conspiring with certain factions within the military that dont support Obama to usurp his power and set up a Chilean style government in the model of Agusto Pinochet.
I have this on good authority from highly placed sources at Disney Land.
Goofy was also quoted as saying that he believes in the rule of law.
Isn’t that cute. The squealing of fetal pigs. It just goes on and on.