Reports indicate that Attorney General Eric Holder is close to naming a prosecutor to look into interrogation abuse, but that he is going to structure the investigation to protect high-ranking officials from investigation for war crimes. While Holder admits that waterboarding is torture, he is reportedly going to allow only the investigation into whether some interrogations went beyond the torture guidelines set by the Justice Department — which allowed for waterboarding.
The investigation is being described as “narrow” and would exclude torture permitted by the Justice Department. It is a towering example of the conflict of interest in the Justice Department handling this investigation. The first thing that it will do is reaffirm its own legal analysis permitting the commission of a well-defined war crime.
It would essentially punish people who “tortured too much,” a standard that is not only shameful but in clear violation of our international obligations. It also reaffirms (as the Obama Administration has done before) that “just following orders” is now viewed by the United States as a viable defense to war crimes.
For the full story, click here.
At the risk of getting banned but come on Huck:
http://books.google.com/books?id=goT5k4XX8o0C&dq=huck+and+tom+painting+the+fence&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=5F8GhyYRyb&sig=Ztg0aTyko6UeLmFOCV-B238WYtw&hl=en&ei=xBWASp-hL4_UNeSo_e4C&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&
q=&f=false
Mespo727272, this ones for you.
tom and huck want to paint a fence. tom can paint the fence by himself in 3 hours; huck can paint the fence by himself in 4 hours. at noon, they start painting the fence together. at some point, they fight for 10 minutes, and no painting gets done. after the fight, huck leaves and tom paints alone. if tom finishes painting at 2:25 pm, at what time did the fight begin?
Narrator : Max is watching Tom paint
the fence. Suddenly, Tom
had an idea.
Tom : You know what, Max?
Max : What?
Tom : Painting is fun.
Max : Really? It seems so. Can I try?
Tom : Well, maybe. (Looking like
thinking)
Max : Please, Tom. Let me paint the
fence.
I’ll give you my new blue marble.
Tom : Oh, really? I like painting a lot.
But you’re my friend and I like
you.
Go ahead. (Giving his brush)
Max : Thank you, Tom. You’re my
friend.
Narrator : Soon other friends saw Max.
Friend 1 : Hey, Max! Hi, Tom!
Link:
http://www.pearson.co.kr/bookinfo/CD_HHH/PDF/7_PlayScript/7_L6_PlayScript.pdf
I apologize to you in advance, Prof.
ERIC HOLDER!
SCREW YOU, FASCIST JACKASS! That goes for your lying sack of crap “we respect the rule of law” boss too. Way to wipe yourself with the Constitution. Did you learn that from Gonzo?
It’s now time to dismantle both parties and reclaim the government for We the People.
Anyone with an R or D affiliation should not only be run from office, they should be made social outcasts and pariahs.
My loyalty to the U.S. dies with the Constitution.
Thanks for telegraphing the coup de grace, Eric. And from me and my grandfather’s ghost a very sincere “Go fornicate yourself, traitor.”
When the feces hits the rotating oscillator, I’ll make sure your name is kept right out in front as an aider and abbetor to treason.
To Buddha Is Laughing
You’ve said it all
THIS IS TREASON!
OBAMA AND HOLDER ARE TRAITORS AND WAR CRIMINALS!
OBAMA, HOLDER, ET AL NEED TO BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED!
It would essentially punish people who “tortured too much,” …
Doesn’t Holder’s reasoning fall into the same category as “a little bit pregnant”? And how can you prosecute those who tortured without punishing those who ordered it?
The majority of this country voted for change, for restoring the constitution, and for a return to reason and accountability. That the new president now wants to “move forward” and not “dwell on the past” and stand behind an AG who wants to protect those who condoned torture is appalling. One might say they are still very much “dwelling on the past” by continuing the policies of the past administration.
Added to a neutered Health Care bill, this conspired negligence designed to shield Bushists is unacceptable, it looks and smells unAmerican to the core.
Why is Obama doing this to America, subsequent generations, and to himself? Does he not know he will be gone in three if either responsibility isn’t fully satisfied?
Shall we begin with a general strike and go all out serious from there until he gets it, let it go and begin delegate selection for a C.C., begin the impeachment process, or all three?
It’s up to Obama. He can’t truly believe we would allow Holder to break the law without a severe response.
Think Jefferson and start summoning the courage to act like citizen-revolutionaries in the absence of leadership.
Hello professor and others.
I am truly saddened/ outraged by this turn of events. I didnt vote for Obama, knowing that like most other presidents over the past 50 years or more, he was controlled by others who’s interests are not our own. I did hope a little that perhaps I was wrong and that we would see some change. Change is for suckers in the world of American politics. Is there no way these jokers can be impeached for this travesty?
On another note, I would love to get your thoughts on the momentous case of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, the ‘most gagged woman in American History.’ Just yesterday she was allowed to testify under oath and in public about corruption and blackmail of US congress. The Bush administration had gagged her using the bogus State’s Secrets order. The MSM has been typically quiet about it which is unbelievable given what info she put out. Only Bradblog is covering it. Please Please pick up this story. Patriots need to hear.
Mr. Holder,
Thanks to the U.S. and its use of torture, other countries like Iran are quickly following the U.S. example. But of course, they say no one died, so all is well that ends well…
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Iran admits election demonstrators were tortured
Senior police commander says head of Tehran prison dismissed after evidence of abuse but denies anyone died
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/09/iran-protesters-torture-election
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This is like prosecuting the enforcer rather than his mob boss.
That is criminal negligence and I’m not even an attorney. Anyone can read law at the law library.
As an American, I demand full prosecution of Bushists. The alternative is not going to be pretty. There are literally millions of Progressives who will make sure this gets finished.
And no, I’m not going for the piecemeal strategy for the sake of 2010 elections. Should Holder not prosecute each and every conspirator-torturer at the highest levels, he should expect a short term as AG.
Go ahead, try us. The administration ignores the fact that we are very close to revolution and that we will use the Internet and alternate telephonic systems to get organized and deployed in the open, all in the slack-jawed government’s face. We want to be seen coming.
Government computer hacks should know we are much smarter than they and outnumber the military 10:1 which I might add could actually stand with the People and the Constitution over governmental lawlessness.
Don’t even think of trying to shut us down. That option will likely produce an instant general strike and total shutdown of commerce.
The Administration has no option but to prosecute the Bushists in entirety. The recovery will depend on whether or not justice is served and served fully.
From the actual LA Times article:
“Current and former CIA and Justice Department officials who have firsthand knowledge of the interrogation files contend that criminal convictions will be difficult to obtain because the quality of evidence is poor and the legal underpinnings have never been tested.”
These former CIA and DOJ people worked under Bush and some might say have a vested interest.
“I don’t blame them for wanting to look into it,” said a former high-ranking Justice Department official familiar with the details of the program. “But if they appoint a special prosecutor, it would ultimately be unsuccessful, and it would go on forever and cause enormous collateral damage on the way to getting that unsuccessful result.”
Again, a former DOJ official who worked under Bush and may indeed be culpable
“Current and former U.S. officials interviewed for this article spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy that still surrounds Holder’s deliberations and the details of the interrogation files.”
Of course we should trust them because after all they seem to agree with our already decided opinions.
I’ve read the entire article and it has all the gravitas of an article explaining why Brad broke up with Jen to go to Angelina, but is now returning to Jen. The article is totally gossip, whichever way you look at it and as such for it to be a topic of debate is ludicrous. Shouldn’t we all be tired by now of the leaking by anonymous officials game, whether it is played by the Administration, anti-Administration, or those with something to hide? Like President Obama, hate him, or all the gradations in between, I don’t care and that is not the issue. The real issue is that people should start to look askance at all political reportage as it is produced in this country and realize that the “inside source/anonymous official” and the entire leak game is just a method of propaganda and manipulation. Also one must consider the source and that source is the LA Times. Do some research about it and come back and tell me whether or not it is a paper of journalistic probity.
I know deep down,no one is really surprised.
Here’s another example fo why the Obama administration may turn out to be EVEN WORSE than the Bush admnistration
Obama’s EPA plans final cleanup work at fewer toxic waste sites than did Bush’s
DINA CAPPIELLO
Associated Press Writer
5:35 AM PDT, August 10, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) —For years, the Bush administration was criticized for not cleaning up enough of the nation’s most contaminated waste sites. The Obama administration plans to do even less.
Environmental groups and some Democratic lawmakers railed against President George W. Bush’s cleanup record. But this time, they’re shying away from speaking out against a popular president who’s considered an ally in the fight to clean up the environment.
In Obama’s first two years in office, the Environmental Protection Agency expects to begin the final phase of cleanup at fewer Superfund sites than in any administration since 1991, according to budget documents and agency records. The EPA estimates it will finish construction to remove the last traces of pollution at 20 sites in 2009 and 22 sites in 2010.
During the eight years of the Bush administration, the agency finished construction at 38 sites on average a year.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-us-toxic-cleanups-obama,1,1100668.story
The special prosecutor may get all mavericky with it and like a Supreme Court Justice, kick over the traces a bit?
They would not have the nubs to fire him or her if so.
So, be warned Eric & The Holding Co., chose a true sycophant or you will sweat.
This story is a trial balloon. I believe this to be a serious plan of Obama’s because it is entirely in keeping with his method of making the illegal, legal. It would benefit the administration to do these selective prosecutions but they will have to make some deals to do it. First of all, no one is going down on this unless they get a substantial reward. This would mean a short or non-existenet prison term for tens of millions of dollars. They will have to offer a deal because any CIA or MI or etc. or mercenary personel will immediately bring the OLC memos and Bush and Cheney into the court case (as well they should). Someone is always desperate for money, so I suspect they could make the deal and have the faux “prosecutions”.
These “prosecutions” will serve Obama well. I give him snaps for making lemonade out of lemons. Our law is quite clear. It isn’t illegal to waterboard after three free tries, it’s illegal period. All the techniques of torture will have shifted from being illegal to legal under the careful guidance of the fine attys. at the OLC. As JT pointed out, it will redefine the law in the use of, “I was just following orders”, for the first time in any war crimes trial of the modern era. These trials are a real danger to the rule of law and they should not be allowed to go forward with these restrictions. They will make torture legal. We should not allow this as a society. I think a general strike is a good idea, (for one). I don’t think we should follow the methods of the 60′s in the US because they are no longer effective. It is time to look at other cultures and other histories, as well as our own during the depression. Many cultures have faced down dictators. We should learn from them. The govt. is not as prepared for dealing with the push back we can learn from other societies or further back in time in our own.
Certainly pressure for a full on, independent investigation is warrented. Letting them believe they can get away with the plan outlined/leaked as a trial balloon would be a big mistake.
Given that Obama has faced not one tough question from the media in now over three years of campaigning and being in office, I conclude that he conned many independents last year into believeing he was a “moderate.” That was the change independents voted for, not the left-wing idealogue and America-hating nitwit that has emerged since January. I am certain that all those independents now regret their votes. Is it any wonder that Obama’s approval numbers are dropping like a rock? These voters finally realize the “con job” and “are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.”
Do all of you who believe there should be mass prosecutions all the way to Bush feel the same way about the New Black Panthers who blocked voting places last November in the Philadelphia. These guys intimidated voters by carrying police style nightsticks. They were indicted, but Mr. Holder has decided to not pursue prosecution. Why not? Why is this violation of election laws and denial of the right to vote any edifferent from the “torture” to which several posters refer. And for any of those who say Gitmo ought to be shut down right now, please tell me which of the detainees you will be taking into your own household?
Fe Fi Fo Fum I smell a nasty Troll Dumb. I did not vote for Obama nor McCain. I did vote though. Looks like your stuck. What will you do without Cheney to guide you. Oh yeah you still have addicted Rush. Hum and you probably complained about Bill not inhaling!
Oliver Stone has put together a reading of the torture memos which is quite powerful (link below). This was done in conjunction with ACLU who is urging full prosecutions under the law. There is a link to some possible actions to take to ensure we honor our Constitution by prosecuting not just a few at the bottom, but those who authorized and tried to legally sanction torutre. Hearing these memos spoken makes clear the cruelty and gravity of what the president and vice president wanted done to other people, and what hacks they hired to try to justify it. It would be a great video to play at Yoo’s class each and every day.
“Send this video to Attorney General Holder and demand that he appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate those who committed and authorized torture — wherever the evidence leads.”
http://www.aclu.org/torturedlogic/
And after you send the ACLU video to Holder send money to the ACLU.
Dear Buddha,
I had to laugh. After reading the story, but before seeing your comment, I thought to myself, this is just the kid of story that got me in trouble with Turley for using foul language a few months ago. There will be no rule of law anymore. Perhaps there never was for those with enough money.
Was Nixon really that bad? Watergate seems quaint compared to what went on with W. and the white-washing we all knew was coming.
John,
Good idea!
seamus,
True about the swearing and the comment in general! At least Nixon actually apologized and was, if only for a moment, actually sorry for what he had done to this country. Not one of these a@#-clowns would ever be sorry. They’re either proud of destroying our Consitution or happy about all the money and power they have or both. I believe they would be called psychopaths if their positions did not protect them.
I’ll call them psychopaths AND sociopaths.
Screw their position. They have forgotten they work for us.
They need to be reminded of that the hard way it seems.
BIL,
I loathe these people and, yes, they are sociopaths. Unfortunately, they don’t believe that “they work for us”, in my opinion.
I wish that something would change, but I’m afraid that it’s too late.
Here’s a funny but interesting article on protest. It’s worth reading. anon nurse, Don’t give up yet, there are still things to try!
“Stop Complaining About Right-Wing Protests! The Left Should Be (Re)Learning How It’s Done
by Dave Lindorff”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/10-4
Here’s to the right wingers that break the law and the spineless liberals that enable them.
seamus,
I’ll tell you this too. I’ve never been more proud of my decision to walk away from the profession than I am at this very moment. Holder shames us all. Were I still in practice, today would have been my last damn day. We, the “Profession”, active or inactive, should all feel horrified and appalled by this blatant cover up and complicity in treason and war crimes by extension. Constitutional scholar? Turns out any 1L knows better than what these clowns have done in response to Bush Co’s crime spree. If the ABA had ANY balls whatsoever, they’d call for a strike on the civil judicial system in toto and members working in the Federal system in any capacity and DEMAND accountability and the restoration of the rule of law UNFETTERED by deal making and graft and that prosecutions be to the fullest extent of the law and apply to all conspirators from top to bottom regardless of party affiliation or industrial connections. See how long having the system stopped dead its tracks forces the fascist to fish (send in Blackwater, a fatal mistake for them) or cut bait (hold the trials and investigation in the open, public and full manner in which they should be).
By not punishing the torturers all, fully and with due process to all, Eric Holder has single handedly said there are two legal standards in this country and two classes of citizens, to which I say “F U, Eric. And the horse you rode in on, sport.” The very recipe for social unrest and decline is based on unequal citizenship. Ask the French. It caused problems for Rome too.
Anger does not come close to encompassing my feelings about this further Constitutional betrayal by the fascists in Washington.
Fury.
Fury is what this level of betrayal deserves.
Mark my words. Holder’s actions will all lead to trouble for us all if he moves forward as he states. This was a tipping point.
The Federal government fails yet again.
This is a Constitutional Katrina and Holder and Obama are FEMA.
Heckuva job there, Brownshirts.
Buddha,
I think lawyers should take direct action. Listening to the OLC memos read aloud is a profoundly shocking experience. These memos are a shame on the profession. In Pakistan, lawyers marched for justice. In China, they also march and have been killed. Where is our “million lawyer march”?
Who should join them? Everyone of conscience. Especially campaign volunteers from the Republican and Democratic party. Campaigns don’t do well without their foot soldiers. Want to scare the crap out of a politician? Take away their money and take away their grunts.
Buddha,
Oh boo hoo, people were tortured and no one’s being held accountable. Take a step back and gaze at the larger more disgusting picture.
Jill,
I like everything about that.
Bob,
Why exactly do you think “fury” was in order? Not punishing the torturers just went from “disease” to “symptom of cancer” in diagnosing the health of the Constitution. That’s why this was a tipping point.
Boo hoo all you want. You and I are appalled by the same thing.
McFly/Sibol-Emonds:
http://www.bradblog.com/
Bradblog has been doing the yoeman work on that for quite awhile and is hoping to get the ptranscript up as soon as it is available, the first article is an update on the waiting but the next few are more meaty. A quick search of the site is instructive on the issue which is relevant in that the info was disclosed to the JD and the JD did not under Bush and is not now persueing it.
Sibel Edmonds, ‘scuse the mis-spelling
Yes, I have been following the story for years and was happy to see something finally get out. I am hoping the Professor can add his wisdom to this story and help get the word out. since this obviously applies to the Justice Department avoiding its responsibilities it would seem right up his ally. PLEASE!
I thought Special Proscetutors didn’t have boundries unless they agreed to them- that’s what made them ‘special’. ?
I’ve done my 1 letter to the doj a day letter already, I’ll do this one tomorrow morning, If anyoen needs an address:
AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
A few of us visited the ex-deciders house recetly. Here’s a link to some photos of our action and warned us about future incursons into a protected area. Police showed up as we were leaving. As far as we can tellwe were able to get that close because the secret service barricade detail was off duty because the decider was out of town.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&id=551958295#/album.php?aid=123915&id=551934282&ref=mf
I love all you “rebels” (what coup leaders call the patriots) and will go down with you.
We are toast.
But just remember that the Roman Empire did this movie. And they went down hard.
All that is left in Italy, Greece, Spain, France, Britain, and every other land the Romans raped … NOW … is streams, forests, clouds, children laughing as they run through the vinyards …
So do not mourn the downfall of yet another bullshit spewing hurricane that blows its wad when it meets the land.
Just remain land and listen to what Turley is listening to down there somewhere in paradise today.
JT stay thirsty and stay warm.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/phases-of-empire-freezing-to-death.html
Jill,
The trial balloon news stories about the special prosecutor have been going on for some time now. I am not sure that we are not being led astray on this information. If this was a trial balloon that Holder is going to limit is investigation, why keep saying the same thing over these last 2 or 3 months? I am worried that Holder has no intention of prosecuting anyone and these stories are designed to prep us into expecting very little results. I hope that I am wrong.
“When I mention these rights of an alien, I must be understood of alien friends only, or such whose countries are in peace with ours; for alien-enemies have no rights, no privileges, unless by the king’s special favor, during the time of war.”
Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Law of England, Book 1, Chapter 10
lottakatz, maybe some of the lawyers can correct me if I am wrong. I think it was the independent prosecutors or counsels who did not have their hands tied and could go anywhere their investigations led. Now we have special prosecutors whose “mission” is limited by the AG. Didn’t Fitzgerald often use that as an excuse, i.e., he was not empowered to go beyond what his assignment was? I suppose if a special prosecutor were named from outside the DOJ like Professor Turley or Glen Greenwald (ha ha, dreamer!), he could go maverick, but he or she might be fired in that case. Holder will appoint a company man, however, who will do as he is told.
rafflaw,
I thought of that also. He has “promised” prosecutions whenever things heated up a bit over the months, just as you say. The reason I take this trial balloon seriously is that they may have figured out a way to make “prosecutions” work for them. If they pay a few people to take a fall, they will have essentially legalized the illegal. That’s a plan I can see the administration get behind. These “prosecutions” undermine the rule of law while taking the form of legality. We have seen Obama in this pattern before. He is even now trying to make imprisoning the innocent “legal”. It’s their pattern and I think they’ll do this if they believe they will get that result. That’s why I feel we should stronly oppose these limited prosecutions and keep up pressure to go for real and complete prosecutions according to the rule of law. Nothing less is acceptable, and this plan is dangerous.
This plan is beyond dangerous. It’s a recipe for certain disaster.
I think lottakatz made this point and it’s worth reiterating. We are accepting torture of citizens and non-citizens alike. We have got to snap out of it:
“America’s torture problem is much bigger than Gitmo or the CIA or the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The government is torturing people every day and killing some of them. Then videos of the torture wind up on Youtube where sadists laugh and jeer at the victims. It’s the sign of profound cultural illness.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
RE: naschkatze
Fitz was limited by Scooter’s obstruction, he couldn’t go after Cheney because of lack of evidence. If Fitz would have gone after Cheney, and lost he would be off the hook because of double jeopardy.
Fitz has said in so many words that an attempt to limit prosecutions by Holder won’t work because the prosecutor will have to explore where the evidence takes him, and that would be obstruction by Holder. That is not true in a congressional investigation.
Buddha,
Allow me to clarify. Torture is a side issue. I don’t know about you, but I’m so f’n sick of ‘the people’ ignoring acts of genuine tyranny while raising their voices against acts which are merely criminal.
The successor to G.W. Bush is exercising the same power beyond right which no one has a right to, and yet is being called out, albeit quite meekly, only about acts of usurpation.
The Patriot Act?
NSA surveillance without warrant?
Habeas Corpus?
Yet everyone is focused on the torture of a few people?
Yeah, that’s the biggest f’n’ crime committed so far.
Boo hoo.
Bob,
Each of the crimes you mentioned are interrelated. They are all violations of our Constitution and destructive of our society. It is because the rule of law has broken down that we have each of them.
Torture is a horrifying crime. Even if it only happened to “a few people” it would still matter. The truth is, torture has become systemic in our wars and in our prisons. Torture has now become a common tool used by our govt. Everything you talked about is a really big deal. There’s no need to denigrate one to make the others seem important. They’re all, already extremely important.
Bob,
Exactly.
Torture and Rendition are not only in the past:
“Published on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 by Huffington Post
Target Of Obama-Era Rendition Alleges Torture
by Scott Horton”
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/08/11-8
(I wondered why we got so many trolls. I’m guessing this story is what’s bringing them out on all the blogs.)
Jill,
Torture is a crime against humanity; thus it is easily consumed by the dim-witted public eye in a sympathetic fashion.
Abstract crimes targeted at the constitution itself are deemed by the same public eye as being damn near non-important for simple lack of the sympathy factor.
“A three-judge panel from the Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia on Monday found that, contrary to Passaro’s argument, federal courts have jurisdiction over assaults committed by US citizens abroad in countries where the United States conducts military missions.”
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/11/court-upholds-cia-contractors-detainee-abuse-conviction/
And the contractors argument, ‘Just following orders’, wasn’t good enough to keep him from getting convicted.
Bob,
This is why I consider the issue a tipping point issue. It’s not that the Constitutional abuses are less important. I agree, the underlying Constitutional issues of the whole debacle are critical but they lack that “sympathy” factor. But that is exactly why this is a critical juncture. Torture DOES have a “sympathy factor”. If you can get the people behind that injustice, it could be the thread that unravels the fascist tapestry. But the dangers you listed won’t be addressed until the torture issue is dealt with and if THIS is how Holder intends to address them? Bush Co. fascism is here to stay and it’s here to stay with Holder and Obama’s explicitly aiding and abetting treason. Until We the People force their hand. That day will eventually come. Equality and justice for all . . . or for none. That’s the American way as envisioned by our Founding Fathers. It is one of the principles for which we eternally aspire. If left unchecked, the fascist will eventually push people until something very bad and very bloody happens. Not punishing those guilty of violating the Constitution is not an option in any scenario that does not end in eventual disaster for the Federal government and the American people and/or the total abandonment of the Constitution as a functional basis for American jurisprudence. If torture is the crowbar used to bust up the Bush Co/K St./Corporatist crime spree so be it, but right now, it’s the best lever I’m seeing unless you’ve got something else that has the potential to gain public traction any better.
Buddha,
I agree, but the downside of that argument is the propensity for people to draw the line at that which they’re willing to accept as being wrong. IOW, “okay, we were wrong to over look the torture, but that’s enough for today” — leaving all the other nasties to be simply swept under the rug on account of a cognizantly lazy audience.
Bob,
Succinctly, eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. But the verbose form is nice too.
“It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” — John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election, 1790
“I have always heard of providence, and yet I have never seen him, or anything that resembles him, or which can make me believe that he exists.
I wish to be providence myself, for I feel that the most beautiful, noblest, most sublime thing in the world, is to recompense and punish.’” — Edmond Dantes, Count of Monte Cristo
“As luck would have it, Providence was on my Side”
-Erewhon
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Report Reveals CIA Conducted Mock Executions
A long-awaited report on post-9/11 interrogation tactics will reveal harrowing new details about treatment of suspected terrorists.
For hundreds of years, atrocities have been committed in the name of empire-building, religion or national security
http://www.newsweek.com/id/213188
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