Scout or Scab? Union Threatens Legal Action Over Scout Who Cleared Trash

Nick Balzano, president of the Service Employees International Union’s Allentown chapter, may have picked the wrong target for a threat of legal action by the union. Balzano threated the city with a grievance filing after Boy Scout Kevin Anderson, 17, says he cleared a walking path in an east Allentown, Pa. park so people could walk along the river. That should have been a job given to union employees, Balzano, claimed, and is threatening a legal filing.

The union was complaining that 39 SEIU members were recently let go by the city, which then allowed this scout to earn his scab badge. He is quoted as saying that the union would be “looking into the Cub Scout or Boy Scout who did the trails … There’s to be no volunteers.”

Anderson is a member of Boy Scouts Troop 301 of Center Valley and worked for more than 200 hours creating the 1000-foot path in Kimmets Lock Park along with fellow scouts, friends and parents. He is a junior at Southern Lehigh High School.

I think that the SEIU should insist on the garbage be put back and Anderson charged under National Labor Relations Act as a lesson to any scouts who would try something horrific like this again. Indeed, the federal government should look into how scouts have been supplanting cross-guard employees by helping elderly citizens across streets. The menace of scab scouting must be confronted before every footpath in America is cleared.

Below may (or may not) be a picture of the confrontation between the scouts and the union:

For the story, click here.

46 thoughts on “Scout or Scab? Union Threatens Legal Action Over Scout Who Cleared Trash

  1. “I think that the SEIU should insist on the garbage be put back and Anderson charged under National Labor Relations Act….”

    Legally speaking, public employees are exempt from the NLRA, but are covered by state public employee labor relations statutes modeled on the NLRA. PA has an extensive public sector labor relations act, probably called the PLRA.

    Only employers and unions can be charged under a labor relations act, so Anderson is in no danger. A work assignment dispute would not ordinarily be an unfair labor practice under a labor relations statute.

    The state labor act is probably not at issue, since SEIU mentioned a grievance. The union probably talking about filing a grievance under the applicable collective bargaining agreement, to be resolved ultimately by an impartial arbitrator agreed to by both sides.

    Once again, a grievance procedure affects only the parties to the agreement, that is, the union and the employer, and the employees in the appropriate unit covered by that agreement. Anderson is also free and clear on that score.

    The law notwithstanding, someone has taken out after a boy scout doing his “good deed for the day.” Substitute PLRA and PA, and all the points are valid. Never going to win that one in the grievance procedure of public opinion.

  2. The union is doing itself a real disservice here. They should have gone to the scouts and explained the situation from the beginning. Maybe the scout service project could have been trying to convince the city to rehire a worker for this job and for taxpayers to think about what services they want and how they will pay for them.

    Local govt. budgets have been decimated. People in Detroit recently voted to raise their taxes because they were convinced it was necessary to save their schools. This was extremely admirable because most people in Detroit don’t have a pot to piss in, yet they wanted to come through for the next generation.

    If there isn’t a way to hire someone to do a job, then we are going to need volunteers to do some of that work. The SEIU is wasting money and good will with this suit.

  3. Call me a socialist if you want, but I do have sympathy for someone who wants to work but cannot find a job. We have so many resources in this country. Can’t we figure out some way that everyone who wants to work can have a meaningful job?

  4. Jill:

    you want to fix Detroit then eliminate all taxes and city regulations for 5 years. It is as simple as that. And so is fixing the national economy.

  5. I know an SEIU official. I think I’ll be giving her a call tonight. If for nothing else to ask,”What were you thinking attacking the Boy Scouts? Whose PR genius idea was that?”

  6. Byron,

    You know I won’t agree with you. I am happy to pay taxes for the welfare of my society. Your way has been tried in this nation and in others. It doesn’t work.

  7. “I am happy to pay taxes for the welfare of my society.”

    My gosh but it’s refreshing to finally find a kindred soul. I just don’t understand these (greedy, selfish) Tax Freaks who think that income taxes are the root of all the problems in our society. Do these fools want to live without law enforcement, fire departments, trash/recycling collection, public parks, schools, Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc., etc.??

  8. Jill:

    when was it tried? I think the last time we had full unfettered capitalism it created a huge amount of wealth and a huge middle class. It also ushered in the industrial revolution, created the airplane, electricity, the automobile, the airplane and hundreds of other beneficial products as well as millions of jobs that provided employment for people.

    And that was just in about 50 years, from say 1870 to 1920. Capitalism is not evil but government regulation is. The crash of 1929 and subsequent depression are a direct result of the Federal Reserve board and other government meddling. We have had a mixed economy ever since and have missed out on who knows what fantastic inventions and progress because of government suffocation of our once free market.

    I hazard a guess that if we had had pure unfettered capitalism in this country since 1900 we would probably be 100 years ahead of where we are now technologically and we would have had short cyclical down-turns that could be planned for rather than the abrupt stops and starts caused by Fed policy.

    The steam engine was invented over 2,000 years ago, it took a capitalist to turn it into a railroad. Prosperity does not just happen, it is not a magical emanation from the penumbra.

    I don’t want to pay taxes for the welfare of society.

  9. The problem with what you say is “unrestrained”, Byron. And you’re wrong. Revisionist history is beneath you. The last time we had unrestrained capitalism, it led to the Depression. Guess what led up to the mess we are in now?

    *unrestrained*

    Government regulation isn’t evil. It’s the FUNCTION of government – to insure order, equity and justice. This is whether business likes it or not. You don’t like it? Don’t do it. But rules you must have. Rules with consequences and with equity and justice. You’ll note equity and justice are at odds with “unrestrained” any damn thing much less capitalism. Unrestrained capitalism is fascism, Byron. It’s a Merchant Guild society. And bullshit on that. Laws are rules. Rules by definition are restraints. Rules that in this country are supposed to be geared to maximum personal freedom FOR ALL. If the rules are to apply to everyone but capitalists? Well, quite frankly I’m shocked that you cannot make the connection that rules are required for civilization and regulating business. That’s not only well within your intellectual grasp, that you steadfastly have been escalating your language sounds a lot like a kool-aid drinker. As an engineer, you should know the inherent danger of unbalanced systems.

    You are coming dangerously close to the PNAC line with your unrestrained language.

  10. Byron,

    If you don’t want to pay taxes for the welfare of society, then in fairness you should also avoid all society does for you.

    Stop driving on public roads, don’t watch T.V. or listen to the radio (regulated), you’ll probably want to switch to bartering because money is a benefit you get from the evil state, you’ll probably want to stop using any knowledge you got in public schools, and college (if you went to a state university it was subsidized by the state), and avoid hiring workers who went to school, I’m pretty sure the government’s somehow involved in your electricity so nix on that too, oh and you can’t eat out or get food from a grocery store because you benefit from the food inspections if you do, don’t go to doctors\dentists\etc. (the school thing again). That’s the short list.

    Oh and about your railroad example, why don’t you look and see how exactly those great “capitalist” railroad owners got the land to build on?

  11. “you want to fix Detroit then eliminate all taxes and city regulations for 5 years. It is as simple as that. And so is fixing the national economy.”

    Byron,
    This is another case of don’t give me the facts, I’ve got my ideology. Considering your general thoughtfulness it is not worthy of you.

    “And that was just in about 50 years, from say 1870 to 1920. Capitalism is not evil but government regulation is. The crash of 1929 and subsequent depression are a direct result of the Federal Reserve board and other government meddling.”

    Like the previous paragraph in this comment lauding the “unfettered capitalism” from 1870 to 1920, this is simply not true and a historical. The Federal Reserve, by the way was a private capitalist creation, read the history.

    During that period of time Government intervened on behalf of the “Robber Barons” to ensure that they succeeded. The entire railway system was a land giveaway of immense proportions. The encouragement of immigration was an effort to keep wages low to ensure profitability. Government intervened with troops and LEO’s to discourage the nascent labor movement and also protect the Robber Barons. The entire history of government during the time you recount so lovingly was one of government intervention on behalf of the wealthy. This is not “unfettered capitalism,” or even a free market, it is rudimentary fascism and/or feudalism.

    Why is it that when confronted with national issues you consistently take the side against the interest of most of the people? Even in Ayn Rand, the villains were the greedy capitalists like Dagny’s brother. For someone who I know to be a compassionate person, when you get on one of your “free market”
    rants, your philosophy comes down to basically “I got me mine.”
    The worst part of your “anti-tax” rants is the fact that those politicians who claim most to be “anti-tax,” are those who want to lay the burden of taxation onto the middle and working classes, while freeing the wealthy from any obligation to pay a fair share of support.

    If every social program in this country were eliminated, as you would seem to prefer, working people would still have a heavy tax burden, just paying for the socialism of keeping the military industrial cabal in business and in giving government aid to the wealthy elite. Read some history, without the biased filter of your political philosophy and you will see that throughout history this has been the norm. Libertarian philosophy is a con game that really hides a streak of amoral
    selfishness, that in the end becomes hypocrisy when it comes to the “true believer’s” personal finances.

  12. Professor, I’m not familiar with that specific picture but I’m familiar with other pictures from the labor movement where strikers or organizers are facing down armed men and my own uncle did so during an organizing campaign in Georgia 50 odd years ago. Basic human rights for workers were secured with the blood of citizens that believed that they had more value than as economic slaves to an industrial or corporate master. The entire body of labor law, public and private, was constructed to avoid the real possibility of perpetual and crippling disruption to the manufacturing and transportation industries through the very real class warfare the union movement embodied.

    Every benefit every worker, union and non-union, ever received was born in exactly the kind of confrontation that photo shows. People seem to think they have 40 hour weeks, a living wage, overtime, health care, some measure of safety in their working conditions, vacations, etc. as gifts from their benevolent industrial and corporate masters but that’s not at all the case. People died to secure those things and that those benefits. That they have been diminished and eroded over time is a direct result of the loss of union membership over the last 25 years and the government sponsored move to reward moving our manufacturing (and now technical) base off shore.

    In this regard I will take the opposing view regarding volunteerism. In a tight labor market volunteerism is a positive force but in a loose labor market volunteerism is a way to avoid actually paying someone to do a job that needs doing. It is a way to conceal the destructive effects of a tax system that is inversely progressive (a ‘regressive’ tax system) and wasteful government (at every level) spending. It’s a way to avoid making collective decisions on what you want your tax money spent on and what policies you want your government to adopt and your corporations to adhere to.

    Has anyone noticed the proliferation of subsidiary, specialized jobs in health care as an example? Duties that were at one time provided by a nurse are now compartmentalized by skill level and (lesser) pay level throughout a multitude of technicians and aides. This enhances the bottom line for a hospital, degrades the need for the highest skilled non-physician labor and requires unions to subdivide its organizing and representation among several communities of interest instead of one or two. It also insures internecine conflict among bargaining units with some employees getting the short end of the stick based on their position in the pecking order.

    As duties are broken down into more discrete and less skilled jobs the opportunity to fill the least skilled with volunteers becomes more available. If I Google for volunteer opportunities in my area I can find hundreds of them , everything from retired physical therapists to help in hospitals with exercise assistance for patients; docents for museums, libraries and zoos/animal related exhibits in State parks; clerical work for small township governments etc. These all should be paying jobs, either on their own or as part of a larger job description for hired labor. If people are being fired or business’, public or private, are not hiring the appropriate workers and volunteers are performing their labor then I’m not for it.

  13. Mike:

    The government did subsidize some businesses during that period of time but not all of them or even a majority of them.

    Vanderbilt is one example that comes to mind, he created a shipping line in spite of competing with a government sanctioned and subsidized line. He kicked it’s ass. The same goes for railroads and other industries.

    Not all were sucking on the government teat and any way I don’t call those types capitalists.

    The Federal Reserve should never have been created and is an impediment to a healthy economy.

    By your own admission government is the problem “During that period of time Government intervened on behalf of the “Robber Barons” to ensure that they succeeded.” As stated above they selectively supported various companies to the detriment of others. That is not capitalism that is Fascism and I am against any government intervention in the private sector.

  14. Byron,

    Part of the problem here is your blind refusal to recognize unrestrained capitalism’s role in our current state of affairs. You are clinging to an absolutist mentality that “free markets and no laws make a healthy economy” with all the zeal of a fundie. If anything recent history has illustrated what a load of pure unmitigated horseshit that it. It’s almost as if you’ve swallowed the Blue pill again. Your version of capitalism is corporatism so quit trying to hide behind the personal liberty argument on this. Your economics are flat wrong. You seem to think “healthy” and “unrestrained” are the same thing.

    When is cell is unrestrained they call it “cancer”.

  15. Buddha:

    I think we need objective laws to make sure we have a level playing field. I think that if you have been harmed by a company the best way is to go to court to take care of it.

    We don’t have unrestrained capitalism. Government oversight hasn’t protected us from anything. More people are protected by people doing their jobs properly than are protected by government regulations.

    Who lowered the interest rates over a protracted period of time in contravention of economic reality? The Federal Reserve, Wall Street cant do that. Who gave 750 billion dollars to industry? Government. Who made banks and financial institutions take that money? Government.

    Big government is a threat to individual liberty. A central bank (Federal Reserve) is a threat to individual liberty. Big corporations in the back pocket of government and vice verse are a threat to individual liberty. A free market is not a threat to liberty.

    I agree with you on most things but I don’t believe free markets are a bad thing.

    When a human being is unrestrained by government control they call it freedom.

  16. Byron,

    Your argument fails because we have had our laws gutted by lobbyists.

    You fail to the the forest for the trees.

    And I’ve explained before, free markets are fine for 90% of the junk we sell each other. But some parts of infrastructure are too critical to national – not security – but survival. Unregulated banks and financial institutions sold a made up product based on bad math and it nearly broke the global economy. Because they were allowed to get too large.

    Big government is a threat to corporate greed. Big is a distraction argument. I swear it’s like having a conversation with you before you realized liberals were not the enemy of individual liberty. Are they feeding you the FOX Newsios again, son? Do you feel okay? Are you built too low to the ground? The fast ones are going right over your head! Have you got a hole in your glove? Seriously, the real argument about government has been and always shall be FUNCTIONALITY, not size. That’s a distraction. People who worry about size miss the point of ANY system. From government to manufacturing to internal combustion engines to basic set theory you misunderstand complex systems if you think size is the best/sole way to judge a systems performance and performance needs for optimization. Size is a datapoint. One of many. When you design something, is the most important thing how big it is or if it works for the intended purpose? Designing useless systems is . . . useless.

    And no one held a gun to the banks head over the money. Mischaracterization. The banks had rolled back regulation to the point they grew so large as to threaten GLOBAL financial collapse. It was a robbery without guns by people like those pricks at Goldman Sacks – who should have their senior management marched out into the middle of Wall St. in chains along with BoA and Merrill execs to name but a few. So you can stop that hoohah.

  17. Byron,

    So I take it you’re anti-corporation then? The whole concept. At it’s core the idea of the modern corporation is “we, the government, say that there’s this thing called a corporation so there is.” I can’t think of a more stunning example of government regulation then the creation of an entity simply by the whim of the State.

    By it’s very nature, the corporation cannot exist in a unregulated free market.

  18. Buddha:

    “Seriously, the real argument about government has been and always shall be FUNCTIONALITY, not size.”

    It doesn’t function well at any size and it is dangerous in its Leviathan sized incarnation.

    I think along with those executives a few congressmen and senators should be joining them.

    Another year of recession and I think you and I can sit back and watch the heads role on Wall St. and Independence and Pennsylvania Aves.

  19. Gyges:

    I am not anti-corporation just anti government in bed with corporations through lobbyists and corporate welfare.

  20. Byron,

    You’re missing the point. Corporations are by definition a creation of the government, and have been from the very beginning. No corporation can exist with out the government. Individuals and groups can provide goods and services without the government, but they won’t be corporations.

  21. Gyges/Buddha:

    I am doing a little research on corporations and their history. I am currently reading on a left wing site called “reclaimdemocracy.org”. Interesting stuff.

    I have to check it but if they are right the founders were afraid of corporations and limited their power. In fact it appears to be a severe limitation of power.

    It also looks like the evolution of corporate power is parallel with the evolution of federal government power. So I understand now why Buddha is making the connection with Fascism.

    Here is a paragraph that really made me think about corporations:

    “Like many Americans, I’m but a small-time investor, with investments in my 401(k) account, and that’s about it. I doubt the CEOs of the various corporations in which I own stock see eye-to-eye on many political questions. In Citizens United, a momentous case that is scheduled for re-argument on Sept. 9, the Supreme Court may hold that a corporation has a First Amendment right to spend its shareholders’ money on campaign advertisements that advance its own political agenda, without the knowledge or consent of ordinary shareholders like me. My retirement savings could be used to defeat health care reform, resist new regulations on financial instruments or combat environmental controls; other than liquidating my 401(k) holdings, there would be almost nothing I could do to prevent this. ”

    I think this is really outrageous, I would not want a corporation spending my money on issues that I disagreed with. I don’t disagree that Lobbyists of any stripe whether corporate or private, should be made illegal. I think that would be a good start to the de-politicalization of business and the de-corporatization of government.

    Anyway just a start on the inquiry. I got tired of you guys kicking my ass on this. So I will get to the bottom of it.

  22. Bryon,

    Do not leave out part of the book named Ford and the machines. It speaks of Henry Ford and his role with the Union and mostly not to nicely. His role in Playing with Adolph Hitler too. I might ad not to nice either. The unions have been around for sometime, they just were not formally recognized in this country until, well you gotta give that US loving SOB Senator from Wisconsin his credit too, Joe McCarthy.

  23. Byron,

    I wash just rehashing the thinking that got me to go from the current incarnation of Libertarianism to Jeffersonian Liberal. Jefferson and the rest of the founding fathers had every reason to hate corporations, who exactly do you think the Boston Tea Party was supposed to hurt?

  24. 4 U Byron:

    what is your point?

    I disagree with the overall philosophy of the stimulus, the particulars are irrelevant. You miss the larger issue when you focus on typos or the ignorance of the data entry person for the website. So send me a video that is speaking to the philosophical argument against the stimulus.

    I also think Bush’s bailout was a joke and inappropriate.

    However I doubt Pres. Obama does not know that there are 50 states, it was an obvious mistake and of little importance when disagreeing with his overall ideas about the nature of government and its proper function.

    I also think Bush and the country club republicans are responsible for the mess we are in now.

    Send me a video quoting Madison or Jefferson.

    but thanks for trying.

  25. Gyges:

    It is a tribal gift passed on to me by my granmother who was 1/128th Cherokee or so she made a point of telling us.

    It is to bad it wasnt 1/2, that would have been worth some money. Dont they run some Casinos?

  26. It’s ok, Byron. . . they might be “kicking your ass,” but they have their shoes on the wrong feet.

    The Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve and lengthened by Government Interference. . . prior to this, all that ever happened were minor recessions that soon worked themselves out. Using pretty standard fearmongering, Big Banking (Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, etc.) used propaganda to lie to the people, that Corporate Monopolies would fix the problem – and the Fed was born. . . the Depression being the Fed’s retarded child.

    Prior to the Fed. . .
    In the late-1700s, a quality loaf of bread cost approximately $0.05.
    In the early 1800s, a quality loaf of bread cost approximately $0.05.
    In the early 1900s, a quality loaf of bread cost approximately $0.05.
    Post-fed, a quality loaf of bread costs approximately $4.00 – an inflation rate of approximately 8,000%.

    Henry Ford worked the bugs out of assembly-line manufacturing, which lowered the cost of building a car – the Model T’s price dropped from its original 1908 cost of nearly $1000 to under $300 in 1927 because of this. A 2011 Ford Fiesta, the closest equivalent to the Model T, will run $12,000-$16,000 – an increase of 4,000%-5,300%.

    Corporations are, for the purposes of Rights, anyway, considered a Person – this is so bassackward it’s almost unbelievable that somebody could be so stupid. An Un-Natural Frankenstein-Monster-esque conglomeration of parts can use the same Natural Rights a Natural Person has, in order to hide evidence of their misconduct.

    The bailout-and-takeover scam currently being foisted off on us is simply a continuation of the failed policies of the past – right down to the Propaganda Machine working overtime to convince the undereducated that everything is hunky-dory, or will become so, as long as “they” are allowed to continue baling and taking. . .

    The sad part is, you guys believe it – and so, “they” will continue to work their Nibor Dooh magic – steal from the poor, give to the rich.

    So, yes, the Vast Majority of the economic problems we’re going through today can be traced, in a direct, unbroken line, straight to Government Interference.

  27. Ahhhhh . . . the smell of corporatist apologists. Smells just like fascism.

    You keep on dreaming Rev. that the world can work without rules and I’ll just save you seat in Hell.

    “Well some good came of it.” That’s the same kind of rationale the medical community used when integrating the information the Nazis gained on human physiology into modern medicine. And you hang yourself on your own words. “[W]hen properly used”. The Corporate Fiction has been misused almost since inception, sport. Or do you think Jefferson developed his hatred of corporations for no good reason. They are an inherently dangerous legal concept. Come on. Tell us how you are smarter than the smartest man to ever hold the Office of President. I also want to hear how severe economic disparity has ever led to anything but trouble for that shit, pardon me, creme floating to the top when people at the bottom start suffering. Ask the French how well that worked out while you’re ordering your cake. Ask the Romans what happened when the poor got too hungry. But you go right on ahead thinking unrestrained capitalism isn’t fascism and I’ll go on thinking people like you are part of the problem, Mr. Rationale For Greed. Your rationale is that incremental increases in efficiency merit giving away rights of natural humans and giving a fiction equal or superior rights can only make things better because the government has never done ANYTHING . . . except provide the fundamental systems and infrastructure society requires to survive and tell you greedy fascists to pay taxes on your ill-gotten gains. How dare they tax the money you stole! And to pay for things outrageous like schools, libraries and roads. That alone shows how staggeringly blinded by greed you are.

    Preach it somewhere else, Rev. Materialism. Byron may be easily distracted by arguments with dollar signs and sparklies attached but some of us have much greater flexibility in focus.

  28. Buddha:

    I dont think the Reverend is a big fan of corporations as evidenced by this:

    “Corporations are, for the purposes of Rights, anyway, considered a Person – this is so bassackward it’s almost unbelievable that somebody could be so stupid. An Un-Natural Frankenstein-Monster-esque conglomeration of parts can use the same Natural Rights a Natural Person has, in order to hide evidence of their misconduct.”

    I think he is saying what you are saying except he thinks government is the problem while you think corporations are the problem.

    The problem is the unholy alliance of the 2. But I would say that government is more the problem and you would say that corporations are more the problem.

    Government created corporations and thus Reverend Dracos’ analogy to Frankenstein, Government is the doctor, the creator of the monster you despise. Should not the creator be deserving of the same contempt? In fact more for the simple fact that it should have known better?

  29. Byron and Reverend,
    You either avoid or miss the point. Government per se is neither good nor bad. It is a function of who controls it. For the most part corporations by dint of their wealth have had undue influence on Government and in that sense government has acted on their behalf. However, the corporations would fare far better if a minimalist government structure was in place. The reason is obvious, the would be allowed to operate in an unfettered environment and would move quickly towards monopolization of everything. There would be no “free market” because in truth corporations hate the concept. “Free markets” cut down on profits and price fixing. Government can be the last resort in protecting the majority of people from the predations of the most powerful. The question isn’t the utility of government, it is the ability of the interests of most of the people to be served by it.

  30. “Should not the creator be deserving of the same contempt? In fact more for the simple fact that it should have known better?”

    By that rationale every gun manufacturer is guilty of murder.

    A tool and its misuse are not the same thing.

    Corporations are a tool. They are optional. Other tools or other forms of the tool are better options.

    Government is a necessity. It is not optional or there is anarchy, invasion and/or disintegration of the social networks that define a society.

    “I’m only bad because I’m created that way” is dangerously close to the logic of Jessica Rabbit. And just as two dimensional.

  31. I just say, light my fire and I will provide the music. A fiddlin we will do, will you join in to when the town is painted red.

  32. Byron,

    I enjoyed your posts. I’m impressed that you did not actually identify anyone as wrong and chose, instead, to accept some of their ideas for consideration. I am also very impressed with your ability to, not once, resort to name-calling or labels. You are, obviously, an accomplished mediator. People can learn from you. Thank you.

  33. This story reminds me about a situation that occured in my little town.

    There are four old ladies (in their mid 70’s) that all went to school together and all still live in the same little town. Three of them were good friends and the other gal was just an aquaintance of theirs.

    This gal is the town clerk here and has to have a say in everything as well as her nose in everything as well.

    The other 3 ladies painted the playground equipment to brighten it up; it needed it and it looked nice when they were done (they insisted they had prior permission). Total cost of paint $16.05.

    Town clerk lady gets all mad, because no one said anything to her about it and wants them arrested for damaging public property. So she brings in her son-in-law who is the town manager and well…..no one ends up getting charged or going to jail.

    Small town politics can get petty…just like big town politics can

    Who cares??? The job needed done and was done!!!

  34. pcdls.ronin,

    He’s much better now, but Byron can name call and play agitator quite well.

    He’s a kinder, gentler Bron these days.

  35. yes I am and have you and Mike S and Mike A and Gyges to thank for that.

    you big green galoot.

    ronin:

    how much did we agree for me to pay you?

  36. Back to the original article. Most Boy Scout projects like the one in this article are an “extra” for a park or municipality. I can not imagine that in our current economy union workers would have been used to clear the path in question. So if not for the scout doing what he is taught is his “civic” duty, the path would still be full of trash and an eyesore. Would the union workers propose that as a solution?

    I could see the union workers’ position if their daily tasks were being replaced by volunteers. Then again, would that be so bad? To live in a society that we as citizens voluntarily do public work projects seems to be a decent idea.

    I wish we had more organizations that teach the three goals of the Boy Scouts Citizenship, Character and Physical fitness. Many of our citizens could use these qualities.

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