Berkeley High School is in the midst of a difficult debate over the elimination of science labs and five science teachers to shift resources to help struggling students. Some have objected that the science courses primarily help white students and should be reduced to add greater “equity” for struggling and minority students.
The school board insists that it is merely trying to spread resources to benefit the more students and to create a “less stressful” environment.
What is curious is that the school’s data page shows that the student body is roughly 37% white, so that it would not be surprising to see a large number of white students in any class. Moreover, Mardi Sincular-Mertens, who has taught science at BHS for 24 years, said that there are twelve African-American males in her AP classes and that her four environmental science classes are 17.5 percent African American and 13.9 percent Latino.
It seems to me that cutting such science classes is a bizarre response given the efforts to train our students for the 21st Century world. Other countries are putting far greater emphasis on math and science and we are already seeing the impact of this educational gap. The minority community in particular is at risk of being underprepresented in the science field — the most promising careers in the decade to come.
The story also reminds us of the continued reduction of educational programs and the sale of public buildings and parks as the government continues to burn through billions of dollars in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, here. I have personally heard of science and other programs being cut out in my area due to a lack of funding as billions simply evaporate abroad, including continued allegations of corruption.
For the full story, click here.
It used to be that science was the last thing to go, not the first.
And racial / religious science?
http://ecocosmology.blogspot.com/2009/11/rebel-science-dark-matter-of-faith.html
Equally ignorant is not something to shoot for in education.
Way to go, guys. What an embarrassment for liberalism. I’ve never seen a story in the news that involved an intelligent school board. At least the conservative ones only wanted to damage science curricula by reading kids blurbs on intelligent design crap. THIS is ridiculous.
What sort of opportunity do these people think they’re offering? You can get your education at a school which has refashioned itself as a remedial institution on the basis of the racial makeup of its student body? That’s a pretty strained concept of “equity”.
If you read the comments under the original article you’ll see this is attracting a huge public outcry tinged with racial hostility. These idiots in Berkeley have just dumped a wonderful Christmas present into the lap of American bigotry. It’s early in the AM hours here, and I haven’t checked Palin’s twitter feed yet, but I can see this story will gain traction in the media right away and will serve as a political bludgeon for a long time.
Dysgenics and the road to the bottom.
Sponsored by appeals to emotion and affirmative action.
Student asks to give alternative view of global warming, says it primarily benefits the alarmist.
A Rhinebeck NY High School sophomore is urging the school district to require alternative views be presented by teachers on controversial topics like climate change.
Michelle Dewkett said the global warming documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” was being shown in science and English classes without equal weight being given to other positions on the topic.
“As of now, the teaching of controversial topics is out of control,” Dewkett told members of the Board of Education on Tuesday. She also said the district is not following its own policy of providing students with a wide range of materials.
Dewkett cited a class on global warming as an example, saying the effects of human activity on the environment are not being balanced with information about the natural course of changes on Earth.
“It says (global warming) will kill us all without offering any alternative views throughout high school,” she said. “This goes against board policy which states ‘Teachers shall approach controversial topics in an impartial and unprejudiced manner.’”
Wow, let’s dumb everyone down. Then they will qualify to run the damn place and/or be president. Look at what lil ole W did.
I guess Backey (sp) vs the California Regents has no applicability. Everybody is dumbed down together.
“The story also reminds us of the continued reduction of educational programs and the sale of public buildings and parks as the government continues to burn through billions of dollars in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, here. I have personally heard of science and other programs being cut out in my area due to a lack of funding as billions simply evaporate abroad, including continued allegations of corruption.”
Just wondering…
Would a board of education have a sufficiently justiciable claim to sue congress for an increase in funds?
Or, to put it another way, would the ‘injury in fact’ be sufficient enough ‘standing’ as to bar a motion to dismiss for ‘political question?’
Or could you pry open the door with the premise that congress lacks the official capacity to condone fraud; sort of a Clinton v. Jones type of argument?
Like I said, just wondering.
A rapid ascension to third world status. Where is Nero when you need him most?
“The story also reminds us of the continued reduction of educational programs and the sale of public buildings and parks as the government continues to burn through billions of dollars in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, here. I have personally heard of science and other programs being cut out in my area due to a lack of funding as billions simply evaporate abroad, including continued allegations of corruption.”
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And think of all the taxpayers’ money that went to bail out banks, other businesses on Wall Street. Some of the folks who were repsonsible for the economic chaos are still reaping bonuses for their fine work…while our middle class keeps shrinking. Where’s all the help that was promised for homeowners and small businesses?
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Byron–
I think the US has actually been working its way toward third world country status for some years now. We’ve been burning for a long time–but we’re just beginning to smell the smoke.
Global Climate Change is NOT a “view”, it is a fact. One should not be required to tell lies to “balance” the truth. Nor should students set their curriculum, especially in subjects they are completely ignorant of.
They should have a say in the cafeteria menu, though.
Global Climate Change is NOT a “view”, it is a fact.
Prove it
Bdaman: “Global Climate Change is NOT a “view”, it is a fact.
Prove it”
Could you be more specific?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof
Bdaman,
Don’t worry about the facts. They have never gotten in your way before, so why worry about them now?
Bob, Esq.,
Have fun with the climate troll!
Ah, but no one has painted the buildings nor been caught with the fiddle.
Seeing how you point me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof
I’ll redirect to here,
More on Wikipedia and Connolley – he’s been canned as a Wiki administrator.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/19/more-on-wikipedia-and-connolley-hes-been-canned-as-a-wiki-administrator/
and here
Wikibullies at work. The National Post exposes broad trust issues over Wikipedia climate information
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/19/wikibullies-at-work-the-national-post-exposes-broad-trust-issues-over-wikipedia-climate-information/
I put to many links in my post so it’s awaiting moderation, so if it appears again you’ll know why.
Seeing how you point me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof
I’ll redirect to here,
More on Wikipedia and Connolley – he’s been canned as a Wiki administrator.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/19/more-on-wikipedia-and-connolley-hes-been-canned-as-a-wiki-administrator/
and here
Wikibullies at work. The National Post exposes broad trust issues over Wikipedia climate information
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/19/wikibullies-at-work-the-national-post-exposes-broad-trust-issues-over-wikipedia-climate-information/
and here
William Connolley and Wikipedia: Turborevisionism
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/22/william-connolley-and-wikipedia-turborevisionism/
By the way looks like the possibility of a record breaking snow event in Florida next week.
Has it ever snowed in Miami? Inquiring minds want to know.
Just remember the more CO2 that is released into the atmosphere the warmer the planet will get. Major snow events like the 1700 records that were broken in the last two weeks will become a thing of the past. Al Gore guarantee’s it.
So it would appear to skeptics that there are some major victories and casualties that have taken place in less than sixty days.
Climategate- Hide the decline
Phil Jones- CRU steps aside investigation underway
Michael Mann- Penn State University, investigation underway
William Connolley- canned as Wiki administrator confirmed
Copenhagen- no binding agreement
Russia- confirms CRU manipulated data
World- temperatures have plummeted worldwide with major records broken and more on the way.
I would say this is a reversal over whether or not the science is settled.
I’d say you keep providing a perfect example of what happens when science isn’t an educational priority, bdatroll.
Please. Continue to spew your nonsense. It just proves the point that the Bereley School District is not being run by EDUCATORS, but by BABYSITTERS instead.
Please. Continue to spew your nonsense
Yes Drill Sar-Gent
cause you told me to Drill Sar-Gent
Get to it then, troll.
Tell us all how releasing one of the most heat absorbent of all materials in nature, so heat absorbent that Edison used carbon for light bulb filaments, is not going to make the atmosphere retain more heat.
Come on, Mr. Bad Example.
Show us that scientific ignorance you possess in spades. Slarti, Bob and I need a good laugh.
C02 makes up less than 5% of all greenhouse gases.
Explain the Little Ice Age, the Medeival Warm Period. How bout Pliocene warm interval. How bout Greenland, how it was once Green and Fertile.
How bout The Maunder Minimum
Better yet explain this
Byron
1, December 29, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Bdaman:
I think you missed one:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/24/anthropogenic_global_warming_is_a_farce.html
22 Byron
1, December 29, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Bdaman:
and also this one:
http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=8012
Byron what was it you said about Sierra Club could profit from Global Warming.
Bdaman:
if carbon credits are viable they will literally make billions on timber land. And not by cutting them either.
Is this because of all the land they own, educate me please.
Bdaman:
they have been buying huge tracts of land. they buy it with donations.
ok so the huge tracks of land that they are buying will remain protected and because of which, they will be able to swap carbon credits for the land into cash.
Bdaman:
I am looking into this further. I will let you know. They also have a Land Trust that I believe they control. I bet they have their contracts worded so they can use the land in a non-destructive way for the benefit of future generations, ie they can sell the carbon credits from the trees and use the proceeds to support their goals. Obviously nothing wrong with that but it does speak to a possible conflict of interest. Man the world is getting extremely hot, we need to take action now so our trees will be worth a shit pot full of money. Call me a cynic but money is money.
Keep in mind that this would be basically an annuity as trees remove carbon on a yearly basis. The amount of money would be phenomenal.
Timber companies and the Federal Government would make out like bandits as well. I have a suspicion that Cap and Trade is a done deal. The Chinese are probably shitting themselves at the prospect. But this is all made up shit, phunny money. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. There is going to be a good many fortunes made if this goes through. But this will be a government creation/fiction, no real tangible assets, no intrinsic worth.
And you and I will be the ones getting phucked in the end (quite literally).
yea , I know. Google results nothing on Sierra Club. Just the regular B.S. Try it, I find it hard to believe not one negative story about them.
I only ask because I told a buddy of mine who sends them cash, that they stand to make alot of money like evryone else if cap and tax goes thru.
As a public school science teacher, I live in fear of this day. NCLB only tests and evaluates schools on Math, Reading, and Writing. Therefore districts are only concerned with raising test scores in those areas. This is sad, but it is not a surprise to those of us in the classroom.
bdaman-
That’s a dishonest talking point about “only 5% of all greenhouse gases are CO2.” The other 95% is H2O which a) is not as potent of a greenhouse gas and b) condenses into the oceans as we release it (we have created twice as much H2O as CO2 from e.g. tailpipe emissions and the H2O is not the issue).
“By the way looks like the possibility of a record breaking snow event in Florida next week. Has it ever snowed in Miami? Inquiring minds want to know.”
Here we go again with the nyaah nyaah look at my single data point nyaah! How do you think so much water vapor gets into the air to condense as snow or to form hurricanes? Does God put it there?
“Just remember the more CO2 that is released into the atmosphere the warmer the planet will get.”
WRONG the temperatures become more variable.
Check it out, here’s a variable, the U.S. has a cold blast coming in the form of a huge low approaching the West Coast.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/flash-wv.html
Been watchin it last 48, she’s just gettin ready to crank up. Alot of that H20 you talking bout is getting sucked up, right side center. This could be one to talk about. Depends on the Lat.
Still a little North and East of Hawaii but remember Mexico City is on the same Lat. as Hawaii. Across Mexico into the GOMEX next week could turn out to be a nasty winter storm for much of the U.S.
Temperatures in Northern Florida to dip into the twenties by Monday. If it picks up moisture on it’s way thru from the Gomex, watch out.
Here we go again with the nyaah nyaah look at my single data point nyaah! How do you think so much water vapor gets into the air to condense as snow or to form hurricanes? Does God put it there?
Hadn’t been a lot of world wide tropical cyclone activity last two years. According to Florida State University we are at a 30 year low, two years in a row. As far as singular events, Gore used Katrina as a see, I told you so event.
Bdaman,
To put it bluntly, you are full of crap. There is no nice way of stating it. You continue to ignore scientific facts and twist facts. Aren’t you the same expert that believes Orly Taitz and her Birther nonsense? Are you going to “bare arms” as she suggested recently?
Yea, I know, tell me that next week, because no matter where you live, it will be one of the clodest in many,many, years.
And whose scientific facts am I ignoring, the ones you follow. They certainly aren’t the ones I do. I quess the science is not settled after all.
In other news,
French Revolution! Carbon tax ruled unconstitutional just two days before taking effect
This new French carbon tax was scheduled to go into law on Jan1, 2010. The tax was steep: 14 euros per ton of carbon dioxide (USD $20). In a stunning move, and surely a blow to warmists everywhere, the tax has been found unconstitutional and thrown out. Originally found here (Google Translation).
Lord Monckton was kind enough to assist me in deciphering the meaning of the ruling and writes:
In France, if at least 60 Deputies of the House and 60 Senators appeal to the Constitutional Council, it has the power to pronounce on the constitutionality of a proposed law – in the present case, the 2010 national budget of France, which contained enabling provisions (loi deferee) for a carbon levy. The Council found that these enabling provisions were unconstitutional on two grounds: that the exemptions contained within the provisions for a carbon levy vitiated the primary declared purpose of the levy, to combat carbon emissions and hence “global warming”; and that the exemptions would cause the levy to fall disproportionately on gasoline and heating oils and not on other carbon emissions, thereby breaching the principle that taxation should be evenly and fairly borne.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/conseil-constitutionnel/root/bank_mm/decisions/2009599dc/2009599dc_compresse.pdf&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhwSlACfVDKhKNW-llkchSQkCiXZQ
Only five days left to save the world.
we have created twice as much H2O as CO2 from e.g. tailpipe emissions and the H2O is not the issue).
and exactly why is H20 not the issue. Is it because it naturally occurs or no way to cap it, or both.
I’ll see if I can keep a running list of events since Climategate. The scandal that the e-mails were just taken out of context.
Climategate- Hide the decline
Phil Jones- CRU steps aside investigation underway
Michael Mann- Penn State University, investigation underway
William Connolley- canned as Wiki administrator confirmed
Copenhagen- no binding agreement
Russia- confirms CRU manipulated data
World- temperatures have plummeted worldwide with major records broken and more on the way.
ADD
Australia- Cap and Tax voted down-no confidence
France- Cap and Tax ruled unconstitutional
Hummm, by their own admission global warming only covers 10 to 20 percent of grid boxes. I thought it was Global Warming
From: Phil Jones
To: rbradley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,mhughes@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,srutherford@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, “Michael E. Mann” ,tcrowley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Fwd: Soon & Baliunas
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:49:22 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,jto@u.arizona.edu,drdendro@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,
Even with the instrumental record,
the early and late
20th century warming periods are only significant locally at between
10-20% of grid boxes.
Writing this I am becoming more convinced we should do something –
even if this is just
to state once and for all what we mean by the LIA and MWP. I think the
skeptics will use
this paper to their own ends and it will set paleo back a number of years
if it goes
unchallenged.
I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more
to do with it until they
rid themselves of this troublesome editor. A CRU person is on the
editorial board, but papers
get dealt with by the editor assigned by Hans von Storch.
Cheers
Phil
Note: I had to edit one e-mail address. It put my comment into moderation.
Since you’ve linked to infected sites before, bdaspam, I can’t imagine why your link postings would get flagged for moderation. So . . .
Awwwwwwww.
You’ll just have to wait a bit to spread your distortionist scientifically illiterate flim-flam to work.
Life is full of little disappointments. Ask Mrs. Rove.
What is facing the major population centers of the northern hemisphere is unlike anything that we have seen since the global warming debate got to the absurd level it is now, which essentially has been there is no doubt about all this.
For cold of a variety not seen in over 25 years in a large scale is about to engulf the major energy consuming areas of the northern Hemisphere. The first 15 days of the opening of the New Year will be the coldest, population weighted, north of 30 north world wide in over 25 years.
Joe Bastardi Accuweather.com
Bdaman:
It isn’t about global warming but “climate change”.
Come on, didn’t you see the “Day After Tomorrow”?
New York city froze solid, this is all expected and a result of global warming.
Would Phil and Michael lie? I think those emails were probably forged by the Russians or Chinese. Now that is the real “Climate-gate” story.
Communist Chinese and corrupt Russian Mafia sink global war on heat. Now we are all sweating.
New York city froze solid, this is all expected and a result of global warming.
I’m waiting on the new classification of a new snowflake called a Gloflake.
“Global warming” is an old name. H2O is not the issue because it condenses to liquid and its concentration remains at the equilibrium vapor pressure; CO2 remains a gas and just accumulates. (Why can’t intelligent people be the ones who post as many posts in a row as you do?)
maverratick:
please explain how CO2 accumulates? Plants and algae capture quite a bit, I believe it is converted to sugars for energy.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Come on Byron, you know, Cow farts, pig farts all those wood destroying organisms, family pets, not to mention those who burn coal and oil.
I read a report the other day that pets contribute more CO2 than all SUV’s combined. I say get rid of them all, it’s the only way we can stop the oceans from rising twenty feet. I also think we should set a life limit, no one should live past the age of 65. Do you realize how much money could be saved. Oh and outlaw cremations, burials only, no caskets.
Wonder what would happen if we all drove hydrogen cars. Dropping lots of water on hot pavement. I get all steamed up just talking about it. Maybe thas why Chu pulled it from anymore discussion.
Bdaman,
I gave you information earlier on another thread that educated you, if you read it, that global warming will cause all kinds of unusual climate experiences. Even blizzards. Since you probably didn’t read it the first time I linked to it; here it is again: http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts Here is one quote from that report as noted by Think Progress: ‘”“Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent.” ‘ http://thinkprogress.org/tag/global-warming/ I am sure that you will want to read it for yourself. How is your BFF Orly Taitz doing these days?
Rafflaw Thanks it’s called a circular argument, the sad part is they are using you as the pivot man.
Bdaman,
A circular argument? Why, because you don’t like the facts from this government report? Is yours and Orly Taitz ridiculous argument about the birthplace of Obama also a Circular argument?
I hate to bog down Prof.Turley’s site with long quotes, but maybe this quote from the report will tell us all about the sources used in this report:
“The report draws from a large body of scientific information. The foundation of this report is a set of 21 Synthesis and Assessment Products (SAPs), which were designed to address key policy-relevant issues in climate science (see page 161); several of these were also summarized in the Scientific Assessment of the Effects of Climate Change on the United States published in 2008. In addition, other peer-reviewed scientific assessments were used, including those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.S. National Assessment of the Consequences of Climate Variability and Change, the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, the National Research Council’s Transportation Research Board report on the Potential Impacts of Climate Change on U.S. Transportation, and a variety of regional climate impact assessments. These assessments were augmented with government statistics as necessary (such as population census and energy usage) as well as publicly available observations and peer-reviewed research published through the end of 2008. This new work was carefully selected by the author team with advice from expert reviewers to update key aspects of climate change science relevant to this report. The icons on the bottom of this page represent some of the major sources drawn upon for this synthesis report. On the first page of each major section, the sources primarily drawn upon for that section are shown using these icons. Endnotes, indicated by superscript numbers and compiled at the end of the book, are used for specific references throughout the report.
Endnotes, indicated by superscript numbers and compiled at the end of the book, are used for specific references throughout the report.” http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts/full-report/about-this-report
Once again, I apologize for the length, but sometimes being factual takes some time and space.
Bdaman:
isnt the IPCC info suspect at this point?
No, because first it was the more CO2 that is released into the atmosphere the hotter the planet will get.
AANNNT, wrong answer, didn’t happen. The planet is now in a cooling phase and has been for ten years.
Then it was, the hotter the temperature gets, the more the ocean will heat up, causing more intense and frequent hurricanes that will be more powerful and destructive, causing untold billions of dollars worth of destruction and the untold numbers of loss of life.
ANNNT, wrong answer, hasn’t happened. In fact we are at a thirty year low, two years in a row for worldwide activity. In fact the number of cold core tropical systems has increased over the last several years giving more proof of cooling.
Now it’s the more CO2 that gets released the more snow and cold weather events we are going to have.
So over the thirty years this debate has been going, on just about everything, the government and their government paid scientist were wrong.
Thats why in a nut shell.
I’ll take the advice of an old man such as William Gray who has studied the atmosphere for over fifty years. I’ll take the advice of Joe Bastardi who’s long range forecast are always, always right on vs the UKMET Office or the CRU.
In the seventies, the government scientist warned us of Global Cooling, they were wrong, it warmed. Then they warned us of Global Warming, they were wrong, it’s cooling.
So you believe what you will my goal post don’t keep changin with the wind.
By the way since this debate has been going on, I think the level of CO2 in the atmosphere must have increased by quite a bit however I fail to see any significant warming. Maybe thats why they had to move the goal post.
As I said before if global warming will cause all kinds of unusual climate experiences, Even blizzards as you or the government scientist, which we are at number three for the U.S. so far with more on the way. Then it has to have an overall negative effect on any warming there was. So it’s a good thing.
Yea for Climate Change
An official of the India Meteorological Department (IMD) in Delhi said: “It looked a little uncertain on Saturday, but Sunday’s further fall seems to have sealed the deal, with the minimum temperature likely to be around 10 degrees Celsius by Wednesday.
It could turn out to be the COLDEST Calcutta winter EVER.”
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091228/jsp/calcutta/story_11915674.jsp
Too much CO2 will make it hot, Too much CO2 will make it cold
Maybe just the right amount will make it comfy. I guess thats why they want to regulate it. Money and profits have nothing to do with it.
Byron,
Have you ever compared BDAman’s rants on Climate Change and his rants on Obama’s Birth Certificate? It might be enlightening.
Gyges,
Amen!
Widely published biographies say Obama lived in Indonesia from 1967 through 1971, and none mention his third-grade year at Noelani, Inoue acknowledges. But he said Obama attended at least part of his third-grade year at Noelani in 1969, perhaps during a visit back to Hawaii, and moved away.
Yesterday
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20091228_third_grade_photo_captures_obamas_grin.html
“please explain how CO2 accumulates? Plants and algae capture quite a bit, I believe it is converted to sugars for energy.”
Oooh, photosynthesis, everyone forgot about that. Yeah that solves all our problems, right?
The CO2 concentration always seesaws up and down over time in a normal sawtooth pattern year by year as plants and algae consume CO2 via photosynthesis during spring/summer and animals/fungi/bacteria decompose sugars via respiration/fermentation during fall/winter. The ppm/time graph takes a sawtooth pattern. Only recently has the sawtooth started to tilt upward as counterfeit CO2 gets dug up from deep underground and injected into the carbon economy. Atmospheric CO2 in ppm still falls sharply during spring/summer (as you observe) but then it rises more sharply and slightly overcompensates during fall/winter because it’s been helped along by bullshit CO2 that’s constantly been trickling in the whole time.
Gyges:
I don’t actually know what to believe about global warming. I was actually starting to think there was something to it until the CRU email business. I downloaded the emails and read quite a few, I even posted that initially it looked like a tempest in a tea pot. I kept reading and digging into the science and now think that there are some major questions that need to be answered.
I am not a climate scientist but this looks fishy to me.
I don’t know why Bdaman throws up all that stuff but if he has a point I think it is that there is a good deal of information to the contrary. Which I think is the point, lets look into it and really do some good science. A few years is not going to make our break our atmosphere or wipe out life on earth. If honest science says there is a problem then roll up our sleeves and get to solving.
If life is that fragile it would not have lasted for the last 600 million years since the first simple animals.
Bdaman,
You are over the top. Keep ignoring the science. I know the Republicants and neocons don’t believe in science, but the rest of the world does. By the way, I want to see your long form birth certificate to prove you were really born.
raff,
Personally I’m just waiting for him to go back to his desperation tactic of being a hate monger instead of a ignorance monger or fascist apologist. Those do seem to be his three settings. Which means he should run for office. If he’s going to the trouble of proving he’s American . . .
Palin/bdaman (R) 2012 – Stupidity you can believe in!
And no matter who runs against that ticket, their slogan could be – Vote! Or die laughing.
Byron,
What did you think was “fishy”
I hear a lot about the “hide the trend” language or whatever the guy said as he was trying to isolate some nonlinear component. Everyone jumped on it: “He’s trying to hide it from US.”
I hear there was grumbling in the emails but who isn’t grumbling with all these trolls around?
maverratick, here’s one where Phil Jones admits that the warming only equates to 10-20% of the grids. I believe this is the same Phil Jones who said we cant account for the lack of warming at the moment and it’s a travesty we cant.
From: Phil Jones
To: rbradley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,mhughes@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,srutherford@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, “Michael E. Mann” ,tcrowley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Fwd: Soon & Baliunas
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:49:22 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,jto@u.arizona.edu,drdendro@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,
Even with the instrumental record,
the early and late
20th century warming periods are only significant locally at between
10-20% of grid boxes.
Writing this I am becoming more convinced we should do something –
even if this is just
to state once and for all what we mean by the LIA and MWP. I think the
skeptics will use
this paper to their own ends and it will set paleo back a number of years
if it goes
unchallenged.
I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more
to do with it until they
rid themselves of this troublesome editor. A CRU person is on the
editorial board, but papers
get dealt with by the editor assigned by Hans von Storch.
Cheers
Phil
Rafflaw thanks I will, you keep ignoring the actual factual data and continue to rely on the hockey stick.
Buddha,
I like your suggetion for the 2012 ticket. I don’t think Bdaman could hang with that mental giant, Sarah Palin.
Bdaman, here’s the bottom line for a lot of us that no longer even bother to read about the debate anymore: So what if your right? What’s the downside of weaning ourselves off oil and shifting to a significantly more green energy technology? In the long run maybe nothing regarding climate change. Or, in the long run maybe we mitigate the damage we have done and that will continue to ripple through the climate for decades even if we stopped being an oil based economy tomorrow. BTW, a new study indicates that C02 levels are at their highest in 2.1 million years:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/090618-co2-highest-carbon-dioxide.html
lottakatz
If you want to say we as a people are polluting the earth, which we are, and we need to do a better job of protecting it, which we should, thats great. But what they have done is created a myth of global warming to try and achieve that goal and at the same time profit from the myth.
The only myth here is that you have any credibility, bdaPetTroll.
The beauty of the monkey as it dances to the calliope is that it is so enraptured by the crazy music that it doesn’t realize people are laughing at it and not with it.
Poor monkey.
But as long as you want to dance, there will be people willing to laugh.
Come on Mr. Bigoted Birther-pants! Earn that banana!
Show us that big brain of yours.
Do that lil’ dance of yours for us again.
BTW, a new study indicates that C02 levels are at their highest in 2.1 million years:
Then according to the Alarmist we should have warmed significantly. If that’s the case then CO2 is higher now than the Medeival Warm Period when the Vikings settled. Greenland had no ice, what it did have was cattle and crops. The Vikings grew grapes in New Foundland, the Tudor Kings grew citrus in England.
But then came the Little Ice Age and changed all of that. Greenland is not green and the Thames River use to freeze completely over.
So what if I am right, what if I’m wrong, what if we are all right, as in being O.K. Well who’s to say.
I will say this, the number of skeptics are increasing, the damage to the global warmist/alarmist is done.
If you want to accomplish a goal, hiding the decline, fudging data, avoiding questions and debates and trying to suppress other ideas that don’t agree with yours won’t work.
Thats the way to contribute Mr. Sunspot, still waiting on your anal-ysis on The Cloud Mystery documentary.
What, scared it will go against your way of thinking. Scared to know you might find out your wrong. What are you scared of?
You already figured it out that I was right about it being a shell game. Open your mind Mr. Sunspot. Don’t be afraid of the light,it will make you brighter. you can see better when you have it.
Good thing for us, not everyone doesn’t understand what those e-mails actually are: colleagues in a scientific endeavor bitching about the ignorant.
All you’ve done, once again, is show that you are incapable of putting evidence in context, McTroll.
You do realize at this point you are just being screwed with by everyone here, correct? That alone should tell you that you’ve lost this argument with everyone except for Byron – and he’s not in your camp either, sport. He’s in the “I don’t have enough information” camp. That’s not exactly resounding support for your Big Oil backed status quo maintaining single and mangled data point arguments there, ace.
Is it getting chilly out there by yourself, lil’ carbon-denier monkey?
You know dancing will keep your core temperature up.
Here . . . let us turn that crank for you some more.
(Insert calliope music here)
Oh I don’t care Mr. Buddah Pest, doesn’t bother me a bit.
Just shakin the Bush boss, just shakin the Bush.
Shakin it over here Boss, yessum Boss, use right boss,
Whatever you say boss, just shakin the Bush
Shakin’ for Bush is more like it.
So.
How does it feel to be totally exposed and discredited?
Aren’t you ready to abandon this fake ID yet and assume yet another soon to be discredited fake ID from which to spew your propaganda?
Surely you realize it’s a game of diminishing returns for the bdamonkey ID at this point.
Then again, maybe not. Thinking isn’t your strong suit. So I’ll line it out for you:
1) You showed yourself to be a bigot. End of that analysis.
2) You backed a patently ridiculous distraction argument – poorly. (Birther)
3) You parrot the Neocon line with dazzling unsubtly usually only seen when bovines invade china shops.
4) You get mocked at every turn by just about everybody.
Does any of that register as to causation of lack of effectiveness?
I kinda doubt it, but in all fairness, I had to point it out.
What ever you say boss, you da boss, boss, just shakin the Bush.
lottakatz who to believe your study or mine.
No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds
ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2009)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm
Scepticism seems to be on the rise, perhaps encouraged by the failure of the “warmist” consensus at Copenhagen and recent bitterly-cold weather. I appreciate the current weather conditions have little bearing on long-term climate trends and should not be used in the warmist v sceptics debate about global warming, though both sides can’t stop themselves when current weather would seem to bolster one side or the other.
But if January turns out to be as cold or colder than December then the Met Office will have some explaining to do: after its forecast that we were in for a BBQ summer in 2009 (yes, I missed it too) if it can’t get its winter forecast broadly right, why should we believe its forecasts for 2020 or 2050?
Meanwhile I pass on this advice from one US forecaster who thinks we’re in for a tough time: “bundle up, stock up and get ready.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/dailypolitics/andrewneil/2009/12/its_going_to_be_a_cold_2010.html
Interesting
Ice at the North Pole in 1958 and 1959 – not so thick
Ten times she is able to surface. Once, at the North Pole, where crewmen performed a mission of sentiment, scattering the ashes of polar explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins. In 1931, he was the first to attempt a submarine cruise to the Pole. Now, the Skate’s twelve-day three thousand mile voyage under the ice, shown in Defense Department films, demonstrates that missile-carrying nuclear subs could lurk under the Polar Ice Cap, safe from attack, to emerge at will, and fire off H-bomb missiles to any target on Earth.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/
Bdaman:
that article on arctic ice only seems to say that ice thickness varies across wide areas or that there are variations in ice thickness due to weather or sea conditions.
The ice was generally 6-8′ thick if I read that article correctly and the sub was able to find thin patches to break through.
I imagine the same is true today as well.
Isn’t that amazing, all these people worried about melting because it’s never happened before. The power of the media.