Was A Rogue Syrian Officer Responsible For Chemical Weapons Attack?

-Submitted by David Drumm (Nal), Guest Blogger

syria - ghoutaPresident Obama claims that a chemical weapons attack was carried out by the Syrian government in Ghouta on Aug 21. The Obama Administration then sent an “intelligence official” to Foreign Policy magazine to leak the intelligence supporting that claim. That intelligence consisted of captured phone call between an official of the Syrian Ministry of Defense and the leader of a chemical weapons unit. The phone calls were described as panicky with the official demanding answers.

You can kiss that intelligence collection method goodbye. This “leak” also may have endangered the NOC who placed the device. As the phone call shows, the Assad regime is responsible, but that regime includes everyone from Syrian President Assad to the lowliest private in the Syrian army.

The phone call does not indicate who gave the order. The repeated referrals to the entire “regime” means that the Obama Administration hasn’t narrowed it down. The easiest way to prevent irate phone call from a Ministry of Defense official is to claim that Bashar al-Assad or his brutal younger brother, Maher, gave the order. That would have put an end to any future phone calls.

One intelligence official asked: “Was the attack on Aug. 21 the work of a Syrian officer overstepping his bounds? Or was the strike explicitly directed by senior members of the Assad regime? It’s unclear where control lies.” Intelligence analysts say that without the intercepted call does not establish who gave the order and could indicate that it was a mistake.

Assad is head of a weak regime, whose Alawite constituency is far outnumbered by the Sunni population. The use of chemical weapons in such circumstances is a typical behavior. It seems unlikely that a single, limited US strike of Syria will change the motivation for using chemical weapons. After Syria survives the US strike, the next chemical weapons usage will place the US in an increasingly difficult position. Future US strikes will become more and more politically difficult.

The Syrian civil war has provided a vehicle for a resurgence of al-Qaeda. A Syrian rebel group, the Al-Nusra Front, has pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri. The Syrian Free Army, a group of rebels made up of Syrian soldiers who have defected, will “collaborate with any faction allowing them to topple” Assad. Networks are being set up to funnel foreign jihadis into Syria. In areas controlled by Al-Nusra, Sharia law is being enforced.

With a choice between Assad and his chemical weapons, and another Islamic state sworn to the destruction of Israel, it’s time to sit one out.

H/T: The Guardian, National Post, Juan Cole, Charles P. Pierce, Bloomberg.

92 thoughts on “Was A Rogue Syrian Officer Responsible For Chemical Weapons Attack?

  1. Will we now arrest the Obama Administration official who ordered this leak? This Syria adventure is a serious mistake. Congress should be getting into its private planes to race back to DC to stop it.

  2. A AP reporter published a story claiming Syrian rebels were transporting the chemical weapons which they claim they received from Saudi Arabia when they erred and the weapons exploded.

  3. Did the same thing with WMD’s….do they think anyone will be stupid enough to fall for the same ruse twice!?!?

  4. “Will we now arrest the Obama Administration official who ordered this leak?”

    What about the co -conspirators at Foreign Policy magazine. Has the FISA court authorized taps on their phones and email account yet?

    What charges would you say are appropriate for these traitors?

    I would laugh but it is not funny.

  5. When did the standard of America going to war, requiring an Act of Congress on issues of National Defense; change to the standard of we don’t like what those guys are doing so F—- Em and who needs a Congress anyway?

  6. So we are going to go and bomb Syrians to punish the powers the be for bombing Syrians; cause that’s what conquering big bully nations do with their WMD’s!

  7. We really don’t know what the content of these phone calls were. We are not allowed to know them, we are the lowly unwashed. Given the serial lying of NSA/Obama concerning anything to do with “intelligence”, without independent verification, how do we even know what was intercepted?

    Today, the Obama administration is reacting to the slip about having 3 days advance notice of the CW attack preparations, while they sat back and did nothing to stop it. Today’s explanation is inoperative. It talks of “some built in delay”. What was the nature of “some built in delay”? I think this question is crucial. If the US claims they have a moral duty to take action about CW, then why didn’t they report even hints of their suspicion that one was about to take place? I want a pointed set of questions and real answers about that.

  8. A little OT, to make my point:

    “Obama administration backs prayer at local government meetings”

    “In a potentially far-reaching case on separation of church and state, the Obama administration and Republican lawmakers tell the Supreme Court they support easing limits on prayers at meetings.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-court-prayer-20130809,0,6470966.story

    With regard to any U.S. military action in Syria:

    Since Obama is apparently a prayin’ man, and apparently believes that he has to act “to save face”, this is one time when he might want to ask for “the courage to be weak.” That… or return his Nobel Peace Prize — something he should do anyway, IMO.

  9. Any person with half a brain knows that the US can listen in on virtually any communication that is transmitted electronically. That is why Bin Laden stayed away from using phone, e-mails, etc. It is NO big secret and hasn’t been for decades.

  10. Come on. people! The extremely intelligent, former Speaker of the House, a woman of great integrity, says we need to go to war. Now, STFU and tow that line, lowly citizens.

  11. http://www.examiner.com/article/breaking-news-rebels-admit-gas-attack-result-of-mishandling-chemical-weapons

    Excerpt:

    Breaking news: Rebels admit gas attack result of mishandling chemical weapons

    Joseph ParkerDothan Christianity Examiner

    August 30, 2013

    In a report that is sure to be considered blockbuster news, the rebels told Dale Gavlak, a reporter who has written for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC, they are responsible for the chemical attack last week.

    Gavlak is a Middle Eastern journalist who filed the report about the rebels claiming responsibility on the Mint Press News website, which is affiliated with AP.

    In that report allegedly the rebels told him the chemical attack was a result of mishandling chemical weapons.

    This news should deflate the accusations, against the Assad regime, coming from the U.S., Britain, France and the Arab League.

  12. Well, maybe. There is much that we do not know.

    But to believe this you have to believe that mistakes were made in several different locations, all at about the same time. And that those mistakes took place at approximately the same time and same areas as Assad military artillery barrages.

    And you have to believe that the Saudi’s managed to transported chemical weapons for delivery to a militia and no body noticed.

    There are lots of questions here.

    So maybe. But I think this has to go on the stack of ‘further consideration required’.

    BTW, that stack is pretty tall right now.

  13. If true..a big if, how the hell did the rebels get these weapons. There’s a dense fog of war ongoing. The rebels are Al-Qaeda for the most part.

  14. nick spinelli
    1, August 31, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Like I’ve always said:
    If you’re busy towing the line…
    … You’re not bucking the system.

  15. If gas used to kill is so awful and inhumane then why does the State of Mizzoura have a gas chamber ready for use in its penitentiary in Jefferson City, Mizzoura? Anyone from Mizzoura out there want to explain?

  16. The kids in the fifth grade here ask if it would be ok for a state to kill people one at a time with poison gas.

  17. Max-1,

    I think it is very serious that they claim they saw preparations for the use of CW and did/said nothing. Had they gone to the UN, they would have stopped the attack from every happening.

    Either they don’t actually have that footage of preparations or they are culpable in failing to act to stop a war crime.

  18. A friend who has been following the situation in Syria very closely with direct contact in Syria says that my previous post about the rebels claiming responsibility is FALSE.

  19. Thanks for the update.

    My guess is that before this is over we will see many more reports that are based more on politics than fact.

    In my opinion it helps if we work together to try to sift through the many conflicting reports.

  20. “If gas used to kill is so awful and inhumane then why does the State of Mizzoura have a gas chamber ready for use in its penitentiary”

    Gas used as a weapon is indiscriminate. Gas kills anyone in the area, not just the military. The gases used as weapons can cause injuries prior to death that are considered inhumane.

    Gas used for judicial execution is applied only to the condemned. The gas used is chosen to act quickly. There is no possibility of suffering with a terrible wound.

    In any case, I oppose capital punishment.

  21. betty kath,

    Thank you for your update. Like BFM, I believe we have time now to get real facts out. We have already seen rumors and lies by the administration and it’s allies. There are bound to be errors by sincere people as well.

    Having actual information will take time. Now we have that!

  22. Anonymously @12:24;

    You hit a “nerve” and I’m gassed up about it!

    Blackwater “was” renamed “Xe” and then RE-named (again) “Academi”

    Former U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft is one of the head guys who works for Red McCombs. And you’re NOT going to believe it upon my telling you what was owned by Red McCombs (so I’ll provide the link).

    Romney’s Bain Capital entity of Clear Channel Communications.

    http://academi.com/pages/about-us/board-of-directors/red-mccombs-chairman

    And that AIN”T the rest of the story……

  23. nick spinelli 1, August 31, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Dredd, Well we know how Nancy will vote.
    ==============================
    But not Boener?

    Cantor, yes we know how he will vote.

    Chatty Kathy?

    Do you ever no miss the point Nick?

  24. I’ve got a friend that’s been following the actions of Obama/Biden/Clintons/Kerry, Mad Dog John Mc Cain & Lindsey Graham, their policies, including the 1 Billion so far of our US Govt’s Taxpayer Funds the sent to their Al QaCIA’da terrorist buddies in Syria, & he confirms to me the whole lot are certifiable Mentally Ill Lunatics that are a National Securrrrity Risk & they all need Impeached Immediately.

    So I’ve been calling/writing every congress critter & Senator demanding they either Impeach those American Hating Trash or at the very least have a “No Confidence Vote” against them.

    It’s time to take out the Garbage & run these Aholes out of office.

  25. It is high time for a rogue drone to fly over that rogue officer of Syrian ilk and drop poison gas on him. If you have a drone you might be able to get the poison gas from Mizzoura. They use it to kill inmates.

  26. [music[ To the tune of Rednecks, by Randy Newman:

    Went in dumb, come out dumb too, hustling round Atlanta in our alligator shoes, Mizzoura, Mizzoura, we don’t know our arse from a hole in the ground,…. etc

  27. Oky1;

    Going to Senators & Congress and asking them to impeach someone is akin to asking Nitti to prosecute Capone.

    It might happen; but then there would be a DPA (Deferred Prosecution Agreement [BRIBE]) and a plethora of pardons as they substitute the next round of skullduggery betrayers of the public’s trust into THE most powerful positions.

    I’m just sayin………..

    Tis a merry-go-round of culprits we be a playin….

  28. Laser,

    Would you repost the link again… I’ve tried a couple of times… Different ways… It brings up a dead browser search…

  29. No doubt by now, most interested persons have read about President Obama’s sudden decision to ask Congress for authorization to attack Syria in violation of the U.N. charter, i.e., America’s own law by treaty ratification. Whether Congress wishes to join with the President in violating both American and international law remains an open question. Since a substantial majority of Americans want no part of such lawless and unnecessary warfare, the more important question seeks to determine whether or not the Congress actually reflects the will of the people it claims to represent. At any rate, according to The Huffington Post:

    “Speaker John Boehner and , House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.) released the following statement after Obama’s remarks:

    ‘Under the Constitution, the responsibility to declare war lies with Congress. We are glad the president is seeking authorization for any military action in Syria in response to serious, substantive questions being raised. In consultation with the president, we expect the House to consider a measure the week of September 9th. This provides the president time to make his case to Congress and the American people.'”

    Suddenly the Constitution becomes relevant again. President Obama clearly believes that he will get his vote to commit an unlawful and unprovoked attack upon Syria, thus implicating Congress and — through them the American people — in the war crime. But given the corner into which he has painted himself politically, a vote of “no” by the Congress could rescue him and his presidency while allowing him to blame the Congress for “condoning the use of chemical weapons by unspeakably evil foreign monsters.”

    Now we will see whether, as in Great Britain, democracy can avert another disaster by having the Legislative branch of government insist on its own exclusive power to say “no” to unnecessary war. As a practical political matter, the Republicans in Congress now must decide if they can hurt President Obama more by denying him his unlawful bombing or by granting it to him; while the Democrats must decide if they actually deplore imperial militarism more than they love the President who has betrayed them and their party with such depressing regularity.

  30. Laser,

    Funny you bring up mccombs…. I have met him… A couple of times…. Not that he’d know me…. Inman was part if the MCC that got started in Austin during the 80s….. It numerous computer companies that formed a think tank… Pretty interesting…. Left that life for other things….. Some days… I think what of…. But hey…

  31. Obama’s speech seems aimed at Obama supporters and those who have more recently lost their faith but would like to regain it. Obama reiterates the US is a democracy. Hmm…why does he need to reassure the people of that?

    Obama is going to ask Congress to debate the issue and take a vote. In the meantime he reserves the right to forget about that and just go to war. His followers will hear part one and not hear part two of the equation. These are people who want to believe and literally, they will not hear anything they don’t want to.

    Always watch what he’s doing, not what he’s saying. Even before his speech began he told us what he really thinks about US democracy and the healthy debate which is supposed to be important and necessary. He turned off the mike so you couldn’t hear the protesters. That was the meaningful part of his speech.

    I urge the international community to call for a truce and meeting at Geneva for peace talks. Clearly, Obama wants to go to war and he will absolutely make that happen with or without Congress. If the international community steps in immediately, there is a chance to stop him.

  32. Anonymously yours;

    I remember what the powers that be did to Perot in TX;
    when he decided to run for POTUS – and was iron fisted on positions.

    “Left that life” of my being Laser the Liquidator life for others things
    (my personal battle with Romney)

    “Some days” I wish I hadn’t; because it cost my children their inheritance
    (then I think about how many inheritances they steal on a daily basis)

    “I think what” might have happened if I hadn’t been fighting Romney
    (He might have not lied upon his Campaign Finance OGE Forms and might have become POTUS – if he wasn’t so worried about our eToys cases)

    “But hey” – he and his gang could simply just shoot me next week and nobody else will have to hear about this stuff anymore……

    And then – I COULD WIN!

  33. @Laserhaas, you mentioned the yet-again-renamed Blackwater, Academi and former Attorney General Ashcroft. Ashcroft is now their chief of ‘ethics’. I’ve been laughing since I found that out a long while ago. You remember, he’s the one that had Lady Justice’s breast covered up when he was Attorney General.

  34. @Els DL;

    “Chief of Ethics” officer means that you are the person who figures out how your entity can break the law; and the cheapest way to bribe your way to cover it all up.

    John Ashcroft was helping U.S. against Romney’s “Bankruptcy Ring” of racketeers. As was Debra Yang of President Bush’s Corporate Fraud Task Force.

    USAG Ashcroft stated to the Hague Global Forum on Corruption that the problem with federal corruption in the United States is corrupt federal judges in collusion with high ranking members of the U.S. Trustee’s office.
    http://petters-fraud.com/KnizeTestimony_DOJ_JudicialConference_BankruptcyCorruption.pdf

    Then the New Jersey U.S. Attorney gave the “ethical” [sic] John Ashcroft a $50 Million NO BID DPA (Deferred Prosecution Agreement).
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/washington/10justice.html?pagewanted=all
    Resulting in the remarks from the Hague and other websites being REdacted.

    Al Capone would have loved DPA’s, where – like Sheldon Adelson – he could simply pay a small percentage of his ill gotten gains and continue to be in organized crime. Because DPA’s being paid to federal prosecutors – is nothing more than blatant/flagrant acts of Bribery.

    And the party who provided the “genius” pathway for the Bribery to occur – is none other than former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie;

    who was then rewarded himself with the Governor’s chair!

  35. Laser,

    We all have what ifs if you’ve lived any at all…. Not what if… I did something…. But, taking a stnd and being principled about it is better than thinking about it and doing nothing at all… Living vicariously through others…. Can’t be much of a life….

    I thin Einstein said this…. Learn the rules of the game…. And learn to play them better than anyone else….. Or something like that….

  36. Anonymously Yours;

    It would be prudent for you to Google whom I am & what sacrifices have been made, in the pursuits of justice; before inferences of laxity and/or apathy on my part. President Obama’s Illinois campaign is following me on Twitter for good reason.

    As for learning the rules of the game, they still boil down to simple semantics. Either lead, follow or get out of the way.

    I’m following no one and getting out of the way is not in my nature.

  37. I did read three, got three points to shave….. Good ideal… Very interesting… Maybe we have more in common than you know… So what’s the status of eToys at this time…. What do you think of PW being in business in the caymans …… Wonder if there’s more to Enrons assets than were disclosed in the American filings…. Just saying….

  38. eToys was stolen by collusion between Goldman Sachs who took it public in a classic “pump-n-dump” Spinning scheme in 1999.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/opinion/sunday/nocera-rigging-the-ipo-game.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1

    And Bain Capital that desired to monopolize the independent retail toys industry under the Toys R Us brand name.

    The eToys debtor’s counsel was Morris, Nichols, Arsht & Tunnell LLP and the Creditors’ counsel was Paul Traub. Both MNAT and Traub have “undisclosed” connections to Goldman Sachs and Bain Capital. Both firms confessed lying under oath to hide their conflicts of interest.

    Wall Street Journal July 2005 details part of the schemes
    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/business/news/etoys-investors-claim-conflict-at-law-firm-592819/

    Due to Romney’s hubris and his running for POTUS, much attention to our case has come; that was previously thought laid waste due to federal corruption. Whereas Romney, Goldman Sachs, MNAT and Bain were powerful enough to arranged for a MNAT law firm partner (Colm Connolly) to become the Delaware United States Attorney on August 2, 2001.

    Connolly was a partner of MNAT from 1999 to August 2001 and Romney resigned (purportedly) – in a “retroactive” manner – from August 2001, back to February 11, 1999.

    That is why Romney lied upon his campaign finance forms about his tenure as CEO of Bain Capital. Colm Connolly buried any federal investigation into the organized crimes, for his entire 7 years as chief federal prosecutor; because everyone “believed” that Romney would become POTUS (and pick that “friendly” US Attorney General that Sheldon Adelson was paying $100 million to benefit from). However;

    Romney Didn’t Make It!

  39. So, I’ve been reading about the intel 3 days in advance of the chemical weapons strike and some questions come to mind: what did our government do with the intel; when did the analysts and their chain of command know what they had; who did they tell; who did THEY tell; did the White House know; who therein; what did they do; why/why not; was anyone else notified; who; why; what did they do; etc. etc. etc.

    That line of inquiry is predicated on the assertion that what could be derived from the intel was known to be preparations for a chemical attack prior to it happening and not after. It’s one thing to have the intel and know what it means before something happens or have the intel and know what it meant afterward. What kind of intel was it anyway?

    If we need all of this intel/surveillance and a budget to sustain it that would make Croesus blanch, how could we have the intel/knowledge and not bring leverage to bear to stop it? Isn’t this one of the things it’s for? If not, then just what is it for and what value is it?

    I’d start with those questions if I was a Congresscritter.

  40. I think those are essential questions LK. The US has satellites which can read license plate numbers and drones which hover over stationary targets. To claim state secrets as a way to avoid showing the evidence is not credible.

    The administration keeps arguing by assertion. That tells me they are lying. People who have evidence, present it. I also see the constant attempt to claim that CW were used elided into CW were used by the Syrian govt. The fact that the administration keeps using propaganda to “make their case” casts serious doubts about that case.

    Here are some other questions I hope reporters and Congress will ask the administration.

    1. What is the legal basis for saying the president may go to war without a Congressional mandate? Do not accept state secrets as the answer. A democracy isn’t supposed to have secret law. We need full, unclassified information about how the administration came to this understanding of US law.

    2. How will this be paid for? The US govt. claims we are in a state of fiscal crisis. Where will the money come from?

    3. I want to know if the administration has examined peaceful methods to taking a stand against the use of CW. If not, why not? I want my Congress to demand that they carefully evaluate all the options, not just the military options.

    We need full, unclassified evidence available to everyone for verification. We do not need endless assertions by the administration. Congress will be shirking their duty if they refuse to ask real questions, demand real answers and make the information available to the public.

    In the meantime, as it is clear that Obama wants to go to war, I urge every person of conscience to speak up.

  41. **They’re Broke! That’s why they are push WW3/Syria **

    Wallst/City of London Banks/Insur creeps are the ones Broke! That’s what I meant.

  42. Oky1

    I reached out to Patrick Byrne of Overstock.com a few years when you publicly announced his displeasure with Goldman Sachs etc. In 2000, Overstock set out to buy ToyTime.com in Ohio. Patrick wanted to pay $1 million and Paul Traub promised him he would get it for that price.

    But Traub worked for the Creditors who asked me to do the inventory.

    As a result, Patrick had to pay $5,175,000. So he wasn’t too happy with me when eToys came around. Tried to sell him the remaining assets that Bain/Kay Bee had not already purchased; and he wouldn’t even come and look.

    His emotional personal animus for me cost his company a good deal.

    Thanks for the links – and what is “your” issue similar?

  43. …You can kiss that intelligence collection method goodbye. This “leak” also may have endangered the NOC who placed the device. As the phone call shows, the Assad regime is responsible, but that regime includes everyone from Syrian President Assad to the lowliest private in the Syrian army…

    What device? What NOC? The intel came from Unit 8200* from the Israelis. That’s why the whole damned thing is so suspicious. Netanyahu is complaining now that Mr. Obama looks weak for not taking action against Syria Friday (29Aug) and is wondering what will happen to Israel if Iran starts up its uranium enrichment up to 90%. He should have thought of that before approving this evil black-op. Putin and Xi Jinping literally “KNOW” who really did this and will tell Mr. Obama Tuesday (3Sept) at G-20.

    *Unit 8200 is Israeli equivalent to US’s NSA Eschelon (aka Prism)

  44. @laserhaas – I find it astounding what Eric Prince is doing in the intelligence community. Before you know it we won’t need a CIA etc as we will have Academi to the rescue… :-)

    Nice to know Eric keeps changing the name of his company… What’s next? Whitewater? D’oh! Sorry already used… :-)

  45. If King Obama has a limited response might that not cause Assad and his bro to act even more desperately and be more likely to use more nerve gas? Then what? More ‘limited’ responses?

  46. I have no faith that Congress will not give whatever Pres. Obama asks for. While I do not agree with John McCain’s idea to bomb the airfields and to set up a safe zone(setting up a maintaining a safe zone would endanger soldiers and airmen), but if we are not trying to get Assad out of power quickly, what good will the strikes do?

  47. The question that some of us have regarding taking decisive action to remove Assad relates to what factions will replace him.

    The concern of some is that Obama’s rush to jump out of the Assad frying pan may land us in the radical fire.

    This is a situation where a minimal strike to make a loud noise seems useless or perhaps worse.

    And a meaningful strike to weaken Assad may lead to an even worse situation.

    At least the administration has slowed the wild rush to war and will consult with congress.

    But if there is a reasonable policy that includes intervention, I don’t see it.

    The fact that I don’t see it does not mean there is no reasonable path. But that is exactly why some of us would like to see more discussion.

    I think we have seen a similar situation when some one said words to the effect that what we need is ‘more jaw, jaw and less.. ‘ well maybe you get the idea.

  48. @laserhaas – Does it trouble you that Israeli Unit 8200 broke this story with a “alleged” chatter-intercept OUR NSA DID NOT INTERCEPT? I mean NSA (FISA) also target’s SW Asia (aka Middle East) heavily. They missed this???

    I would never feel that this particular agency (i.e. the UN) do anything to help everyone, but, it appears that Ban Ki-Moon (BTW Rev Moon’s cousin) should be allowed to do Syrian inspections to see who REALLY did this. And in discovering that fact, Mr. Obama should allow Moon to take action NOT U.S.!

    Ever since a certain “US-friendly-nation”‘s Operation Orchard, Syria has been their personal “wet-dream” (excuse the analogy). They would do ANYTHING to get Syria put on the next US Invasion short-list. Why? It would allow for a “next-steps” maneuver on Iran.

    Why Iran? Ahmadinejad is gone now. Nobody is threatening this tiny country anymore. Yes they really AREN’T trying to make a nuke like their neighbors in Pakistan and India already have (and have already used above ground in later-half of 20th century)!

    Funny, this same tiny country has them too in a secret facility in the Negeb Desert called Dimona. Now why would a tiny country need nukes for? LaserHaas the rat is there but no one is smelling it yet. What does the rat want if it isn’t REALLY being threatened by Iran?

    Could it be what Jed Clampet called Black Gold or Texas Tea? I mean if you control Iranian fields you have more than Saudi Arabia ever dreamed of! Imagine that, conquering by way of deception. What kind of world have we become in where the world’s most powerful country is being “controlled” by the world’s most tiniest?

    Since JT revealed that NSA has been bugging UN encrypted video conferencing lately, it would be nice to know what’s really going on behind the scenes. Those EVC’s are not always done in large groups. Sometimes they are 1-on-1 from envoy to prime minister or president back home.

    After Weds at G-20 Mr. Obama will be told who really did this by Russia and China. But the $64,000 question is will he do anything about it? Or will he still keep pushing Congress to decide. Of course they will decide wrong like they did with Iraq.

    I know let’s send in Eric Prince! Remember his bone-head CIA-op in where he sends in Raymond Allen Davis to shoot up Lahore Pakistan back in 2011? What was that all about? What does he think he’s running a Bourne Supremacy type agency or something? (i.s. Treadstone?)

    Who needs Comedy Central with all of this going on?

  49. @laserhaas – Speaking of GATES. It appears, at least to Wayne Madsen, there will be a OBAMA-GATE coming soon:

    Obama has faced with another grim reality. Some within the Pentagon ranks are so displeased with Obama’s policies on Syria, they have let certain members of Congress of both parties know that “smoking gun” proof exists that Obama and CIA director John O. Brennan personally authorized the transfer of arms and personnel from Al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al Sharia Islamist rebels in Libya to Syria’s Jabhat al Nusra rebels, who are also linked to Al Qaeda, in what amounts to an illegal “Iran-contra”-like scandal. The proof is said to be highly “impeachable.”

    The developing scandal involves Turkish, Qatari, Lebanese, and Croatian firms and front operations; Qatar Airways Cargo; ousted officials of the Mohamed Morsi government of Egypt; small Turkish and Jordanian air service companies contracted by the CIA; Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud; the September 11, 2012 attack on the CIA annex in Benghazi; and “black” carve-out contracts with the U.S. Air Force.
    Barack Obama, right, dressed as a Somali Elder during his visit to Kenya, near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia.

    Obama’s, Brennan’s, and then-CIA director David Petraeus’s knowledge of the operation was so intimate, Petraeus visited GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney in October of last year to plead with him not to bring up the covert operation in the third presidential debate. Romney acceded to Petraeus’s request.

    Source: http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20130901

  50. Wayne Madsen tells the truth.

    But he and Alex Jones are also kumquats.

    They could have taken our evidence against Romney and did a PRIZE winning series; and may have actually halted the POTUS quest early.

    Geniuses – Both of them!

  51. I despise Alex Jones and his moron buddy Texxe Mars. However, Wayne only deals with those morons for the money ($$$). Alex pays well.

    Wayne is not ALWAYS right, ya’ know. I follow his intel as he was once a NSA/NAVY spook that knew where you-know-what was buried (old jaded expression now). Wayne is not right about Mr. Obama MOST of the time. He was a big follower and scholar of the late investigative-journalist Jack Anderson. He got bummed out about Mr. Obama as he will not authorize his White House press pass which is a personal insult to him and he is taking it out on Mr. Obama on his website.

    Mr. Obama does not hold Wayne in the same light as the White House viewed Jack and that just torque’s him off. So he makes up stories about Kenya and birther nonsense (which he has since recanted), makes up stories about Mr. Obama being gay (as if that was a crime or something), and that he and his parents where CIA operatives while in Indonesia. To the last one I say BFD! He’s now the CinC of CIA now… duh!

    So this last scandal he thinks he has uncovered that ranks up there with Reagan’s Iran-Contra is probably a bit uber-B.S. IMHO. I know John O Brennan is no boy scout and maybe he has done some things he shoulda’ thought twice about back in the day but I do not think Mr. Obama is tied up in John’s past B.S. John was the single source of CIA drone strike program from day-1. He also was in bed with the Saudi’s like GWB was. Why Obama hired him to be CIA director puzzles the hell outta’ me.

    Anyway, I went to Wayne’s website just now and typed in ROMNEY as I have a paid account with him. It had so many hits it wasn’t funny. You will have to be a little more specific about your package on Romney. What do you mean “we”? Who are you with if I may ask…

  52. @itchinBayDog – First, how do you not see the difference? A judicial body in USA with the power of capital punishment can carry it out any way they think is humane. California was the largest death penalty state that used gas. Connecticut used the chair and then evolved to lethal injection then threw the whole program away.

    If Assad did it…which I doubt seriously… he would have done it with extreme malice and anger. I would assume the US state of MISSOURI only executes inmates after a due process trial and sentence from a duly sworn jury and/or duly elected judge. I’m sure they use the State’s Constitution and the US Constitution in metng out justice. Assad would not.

    I’m pretty sure SOMEBODY ELSE gassed those people to make it look like Assad did it so Obama would send in the 5th Fleet from Eastern Mediterranean and the Red Sea (6 vessels (i.e. USS San Antonio et al) are at ready stations right now awaiting orders from JCS Dempsey). That would be the USS Nimitz (Old Salt) on the way with it’s strike force 11. The carnage would not be minimal. It would make Operation Orchard look like a walk in the park.

    If Mr. Obama doesn’t order a STAND DOWN after G-20, my guess is that he will lead off with RGM/UGM-109E Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAM Block IV), all aimed at Syrian strike packages which Assad will not be able to recover from. However, I do not think Putin and Jinping will sit by idle KNOWING someone else was the real guilty party.

    And that little maniac in DPKR will probably do something stupid in memory of his father’s insanity. He loves Syria so much too.

  53. @laserhaas – Ummm… OK never mind. I now know who you are from reading your back-story at ZoomInfo. You really have no HS diploma? And you decided to take on the most powerful people in USA? Wow that is really ballsy if not borderline insane… Good luck dude! You’ll need it!

  54. Intercepted call bolsters Syrian chemical-weapons charge, Germans say:

    German intelligence intercepted a phone call between a Hezbollah commander and an unidentified official at an Iranian embassy that provided evidence that the Syrian government was behind the alleged Aug. 21 chemical-weapons attack, a German newsmagazine has reported.

    A senior U.S. official, speaking only on the condition of anonymity because the information is classified, said the intercepted call wasn’t the same communication that American officials had cited to bolster their case that Syrian President Bashar Assad was responsible for the attack.

    It also said Assad’s forces had used a highly diluted chemical agent in previous attacks on rebels and that the high death count Aug. 21 might have been the result of “errors made in the mixing of the gas” that made it “much more potent than anticipated.”

    That would be consistent with a suggestion from an Israeli official, cited by The New York Times, that the attack was “an operational mistake.”

  55. Nal 1, September 5, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    … A senior U.S. official, speaking only on the condition of anonymity because the information is classified, said the intercepted call wasn’t the same communication that American officials had cited to bolster their case that Syrian President Bashar Assad was responsible for the attack…

    Correct! It was from Israeli Intelligence (Unit 8200 – Google it). I am amazed at how much Israel knows so much about all of this. Remember the old fart joke? “The one that smelt it dealt it”.

    And Bebe Netanyaho is a little too vocal in all of this. I mean he authorized the not too long ago illegal military Operation Orchard against Syria and now we are to believe his hands are squeaky clean on the US SecState John Kerry verified Sarin gas attack?

    They are now trying to implicate the Chechens (the same terrorists in the Boston Bombing) in supplying the Sarin to Assad’s alleged wayward loose-cannon soldiers. But if that is true, which I doubt, who else is involved with them up to their necks?

    laserhaas, September 5, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Hey “sonof–” , Anonymous, Otteray and anyone else who cares.

    eToys fraud & corruption story is gathering more attention.

    See Reuters WestLaw thingy
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014586316#post4

    Laser you can call me SOTB as my friends here do. Yes I see you are becoming a “hot potato” right now. I mean you are taking on one of the hugest most powerful corporate industries in America. I know as I’m familiar with them. They may be a little more powerful than you anticipated. If I were you I’d watch my 6 closely… ;-)

    Read up on JOHN PERKINS (ex-NSA) and his 2004 book. It should chill-the-hell-outta’ ya’. These “2nd string” people are arguably psychopaths (or sociopaths) that have NO DISCERNIBLE MORAL compass. There’s only so much the 1st string people will take from a fly buzzing around their collective heads until they call in the 2nd string. You don’t want to meet them as you can only do it once… as they say…

  56. S O T B;

    They warned me to “back off” in 2004 (my own attorney was actually brazen enough to email me the threat from Paul Traub).

    eToys shareholder Robert Alber was also offered a bribe and turned it down. He was told “people like you who turn down bribes Wake Up Dead”!

    Then Alber’s lifetime friend (Gary Ramsey) who was also co-owner of their Kingman, Arizona home – simply vanishes into thin air.

    Alber was then assaulted by career criminal Michael Sesseyoff;
    and Robert Alber had to shoot/kill Sesseyoff
    —————————————

    Marty Lackner was involved in the fraud – and he had a special brother. When Marty offered to help me in the Petters-Fraud.com case, he was “suicided” that weekend. 40ish, wife, kids and left No Note.

    Note under indictment

    Because his brother was J. Lackner.

    Minnesota Assistant U.S. Attorney in charge of criminal division J. Lackner.

    ——————

    John “Jack” Wheeler was a West Point man, Chief Exec of MADD, helped build the Vietnam Memorial, worked for Presidents Reagen, HW Bush, GW Bush.

    But – what I wanted him for – is his tenure at the SEC.

    He walked into someone’s office (possibly Colm Connolly’s) and they hit him in the head – threw him in the dump in Delaware.

    Romney’s Bain owns Clear Channel, which was founded by McCombs, who also owns Blackwater.

    However, if I back down – no one else is fighting

    Backing down is not an option.

    Praying I’m not suicided, hit in the head or tossed in the dump is what I do (OFTEN).

  57. @Nal – “…German intelligence (BND) intercepted a phone call between a Hezbollah commander and an unidentified official at an Iranian embassy that provided evidence that the Syrian government was behind the alleged Aug. 21 chemical-weapons attack, a German newsmagazine has reported… “
    Hmmm… this reminds me of a very neat rick the Israelis pulled during Reagan administration to get us to attack Libya for the Locekerbie Scotland Incident. It’s called the “man in the middle” exploit – or as Israeli Mossad LAP unit calls it: “Trojan dick trick”.

    How it works is that they put a radio-repeater in the target country they know is being monitored by the US intelligence community. Then they start broadcasting in the clear in the native language of target country as if having a conversation between two or more people on a radio-phone, cellphone, or landline. Reagan bought it hook line and sinker and bombed the hell out of Libya. Source: Victor Ostrovsky

    “[Israeli] Mossad is out of control, that even the prime minister, although ostensibly in charge, has no real authority over its actions …” – Victor Ostrovsky (ex-Mossad)

  58. @LaserHaas – Watch this clip from the 1975 movie Three Days of the Condor (based on the book 6 Days of the Condor). In this clip Max von Sydow plays a sociopath hit-man who tries to explain how the “2nd string” works when they get activated. Take heed from it. This is also a good movie that explains what George HW Bush and son did before it happened in the middle east!

    Also read this awful story about a avid blogger who worked for the intelligence community met his fate earlier this year with his two kids. Clearly NOT a suicide. What he was working on was something so ground-shaking THEY just had to send in the sociopaths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXI8lnqEahQ

  59. Well aware of Redford and Robertson’s collaboration and that – “they’ll just want U.S. to get it for them”

    The quote is in Michael Ruppert’s book “Crossing the Rubicon”
    (that I’ve read 4 times).

    If you are talking about Phil Marshall – I’m well aware of that too;
    as I worked on Sonny Bono’s case also.

    Madsen flew out there and got to the bottom of the case quickly

  60. @LaserHaas – Yes I know about people like Wheeler and the movie director Tony Scott. Their deaths were much more than simply a jaded cause-of-death-phrase called “suicide”. Clearly Scott was drugged and convinced he had brain cancer and he jumped off the bridge. But his postmortem showed no signs of cancer. So someone used some form of chemically-enhanced-hypnosis on him (i.e. you are a chicken start clucking?) Scott was suicided because of his past exposé movies and future movies.

    Wheeler is a real mystery. Wayne Madsen has been investigating this and claims that the FBI is SLOWLY investigating this as they think Wheeler was mentally-ill. However, Wheeler was connected to the intelligence community just like Philip Marshall (also suicided recently). Wheeler had something to do with USAF. Also FBI was forced into action by VPOTUS Biden’s son.

    Your revelation would interest Wayne. You should contact him as a whistle-blower and tell him your Wheeler-story. He will act on it right away and start MSM’ing for you. He will also take up your cause and publish it to the world. Your connection to Goldman Sachs will really pique his interest:

    Wayne Madsen Report
    P.O. Box 4232
    Washington, DC 20044-4232

    Email: wmreditor@waynemadsenreport.com

    Also I would take a prescription from Doctors Heckler & Koch. I here it can be as low as $300. You can buy the lead-diet from Walmart. Sociopaths don’t leave home without it… ;-)

  61. @LaserHaas – OK if you won’t back down then at least stop mentioning Billy Joe “Red” McCombs. You do know his head psychopath is Erik Prince? Erik employs THOUSANDS of quasi-sociopaths and psychopaths. Academi makes over $325m per year from US Govt. contracts. There are OTHER sociopaths-for-hire companies worldwide but this one is notorious for selling their services to the highest bidder – govt or corporate-civilians. Since Bobby Ray Inman is on their BOD you know they get the creme-of-the-crop from ex-alphabet soup land (i.e. CIA, ONI, NSA, DoD, DIA, etc.) Case in point: Academi lead sociopath: Raymond Allen Davis – shoots up Lahore Pakistan – kills 2 men – FOR WHAT?

    So watch your six and don’t do like DCIA Porter Goss did in 1970 in London (UK) and ex-KGB Litvinenko (also in London) and drink from the wrong glass… or just stay away from London? :-) Also stay away from San Diego: Gary Webb? What did he expose?

    “Sometimes Paranoia is Justified” –

  62. @LaserHaas – Watch this scene from the movie Safe House (1998) with Patrick Stewart. He is a ex-CIA whistle-blower who is uber-paranoid. In this scene we see the SAME actor from 3 Days of the Condor playing the USPS assassin. However, the point to be taken from the movie for you is the method in which Patrick sets-up a computer that automatically spills the beans to the MSM about some UBER-top-secret stuff he won’t reveal unless he is “suicided”. It’s a count-down system that is like a dead-man switch. If he doesn’t respond in so many minutes each day the system automatically uploads the uber-secret stuff to every news man/woman on the planet. Very good movie. You should rent it or something:

  63. Ours is not to wonder why.

    Duty is we do or die!

    I’m doing (in case you haven’t notice); and they are dying – piece by main stream piece. Their position is untenable.

    And there’s nothing I can do about their mens rea;
    should retaliation, in the extreme, become paramount.

    Molon Labe!

    N’est-ce pas!

  64. @LaserHaas – OK but remember when King Leonidas I said “molon labe” (or come and take) to Xerxes, he did not realize that the young man he befriended, Ephialtes, but wouldn’t take into his army betrayed him at the Battle of Thermopylae.

    MORAL: Always keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Always watch your six o’clock position. It’s like what Max von Sydow said in the movie… even a once thought close friend can betray you and give you up… Your duty is not to do or die NEEDLESSLY. Always use stealth and guile to your advantage and never trust anyone… sometimes not even yourself… (if that makes sense?)

  65. Nal,

    I thought you’d find the following article interesting:

    Syria Chemical Attack Possibly Carried Out Without Assad Permission, German Newspaper Reports
    Reuters | Posted: 09/08/2013
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/08/syria-chemical-assad_n_3889551.html

    Excerpt:
    BERLIN, Sept 8 (Reuters) – Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack close to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad, Germany’s Bild am Sonntag paper reported on Sunday, citing German intelligence.

    Syrian brigade and division commanders had been asking the Presidential Palace to allow them to use chemical weapons for the last four-and-a-half months, according to radio messages intercepted by German spies, but permission had always been denied, the paper said.

    This could mean Assad may not have personally approved the attack close to Damascus on Aug. 21 in which more than 1,400 are estimated to have been killed, intelligence officers suggested.

    Germany’s foreign intelligence agency (BND) could not be reached for comment.

    Bild said the radio traffic was intercepted by a German naval reconnaissance vessel, the Oker, sailing close to the Syrian coast.

    Last week the head of the BND, Gerhard Schindler, gave confidential briefings to the German parliament’s defence and foreign affairs committees. Bild said Schindler told the defence committee that Syria’s civil war could continue for years.

    The chief of staff of Germany’s armed forces, General Volker Wieker, also told lawmakers the influence of al-Qaeda linked forces with within the rebels was becoming stronger and stronger.

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