Pentagon Plugs: New Study Finds Pentagon Has Hidden Trillions In Missing Money And Equipment

Sierra-RCHDDefense_Finance_Accounting_Services_(DFAS)_Official_SealI previously wrote a column about how government officials waste billions or plow whole programs in the ground without nary a reprimand. If that column bothered you, you might want to sit down. A new report has detailed how the military has cooked the books to hide trillions, that’s right trillions, in missing money and equipment. The military calls them “plugs,” a curious term for fraud. These are knowingly fake figures used to hide the fact that there is no accurate record of the money. In one finding, a single office in Columbus, Ohio, made at least $1.59 trillion in errors with $538 billion in plugs. The study reveals that government accounting records are fraudulent but that congressional oversight has been equally illusory.

The plugs are generally the work of the office of the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, the Pentagon’s main accounting agency. Required to complete an audit, the staff simply faked the numbers. When taxpayers and citizens do that, they go to jail. Yet, government officials can knowingly falsify reports and figures for billions without fear of discipline or even reprimand. To the contrary, the plugs were approved by their supervisors.

The Army actually lost track of $5.8 billion of supplies between 2003 and 2011 — leaving some units without essential equipment.

Of course, we continue to spend massive amount of our budget on new equipment and military programs — backed up by a massive lobby and industry that thrives on the defense budget. Lost equipment will just have to be replaced and more contracts awarded.

Members are considering legislation to require the government to have audits that are truthful. It is not clear what the requirement was before.

Source: Reuters

89 thoughts on “Pentagon Plugs: New Study Finds Pentagon Has Hidden Trillions In Missing Money And Equipment

  1. Ross 1, November 19, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Think this is the “whimper” ending to our republic. Where are the watchdog agencies? Where are the judges? Where is the voter outrage?
    ========================
    Perhaps out spending the missing “plugs?”

  2. Congressional oversight. Good way to describe it. If they said Congressional overlook then one would think that something was amiss.

  3. Yes, people scream holy hell complaining about the fraud in the folks who are receive food stamps and seek to do things like drug test, etc. that will only end up hurting the kids that are on the real ends of these programs in an effort to save a couple million dollars here and there – maybe. Yet this is the real fraud and abuse that could actually balance the budget and we will hear nary a whisper about it. Not from the media, not from the public – I wonder why?

  4. It is to be expected:

    Then-defense secretary Robert M. Gates stopped bagging his leaves when he moved into a small Washington military enclave in 2007. His next-door neighbor was Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, who had a chef, a personal valet and — not lost on Gates — troops to tend his property.

    Gates may have been the civilian leader of the world’s largest military, but his position did not come with household staff. So, he often joked, he disposed of his leaves by blowing them onto the chairman’s lawn.

    “I was often jealous because he had four enlisted people helping him all the time,” Gates said in response to a question after a speech Thursday. He wryly complained to his wife that “Mullen’s got guys over there who are fixing meals for him, and I’m shoving something into the microwave. And I’m his boss.”

    Of the many facts that have come to light in the scandal involving former CIA director David H. Petraeus, among the most curious was that during his days as a four-star general, he was once escorted by 28 police motorcycles as he traveled from his Central Command headquarters in Tampa to socialite Jill Kelley’s mansion

    The commanders who lead the nation’s military services and those who oversee troops around the world enjoy an array of perquisites befitting a billionaire, including executive jets, palatial homes, drivers, security guards and aides to carry their bags, press their uniforms and track their schedules in 10-minute increments. Their food is prepared by gourmet chefs. If they want music with their dinner parties, their staff can summon a string quartet or a choir.

    The elite regional commanders who preside over large swaths of the planet don’t have to settle for Gulfstream V jets. They each have a C-40, the military equivalent of a Boeing 737

    (American Feudalism – 3, quoting Washington Post). A coup and a coup d’ etat are two different things – usually.

  5. The Roman Empire was in the end taken over by its Legions and its Generals became Emperors. It seems we are replicating the model. I suspect the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex has been in charge since November 22, 1963.

  6. What has been evident for a long time is that “ethical” decisions have been made with govt. spending. As Obama calls for austerity and cuts to SS and Medicare, he ignores this fraud as the willing minion of the few.

    When the govt. “shutdown”, it was not a shutdown at all. It was a reflection of our overlords and their minions value system. Acts of war and massive illegal spying were deemed essential while school lunches were deemed dispensable.

    We also have a population in ideological disarray. Conservatives often refuse to see this massive fraud, preferring to focus on fraud committed by the poor. The people who are poor have a total yearly fraud equal to about 2 hours of this amount. Why then the near exclusive outrage against theft by the poor?

    On the other hand, for Democrats and liberals, the problem is nearly always only seen when it takes place under those whom they believe are conservatives. When a “liberal” president does it, it is legal! No big deal!

    I would say conservatives and liberals need to take a radical honesty to the big picture. This is a systematic stealing of public funds. This will take down our society. It needs to be opposed–full stop. Just because it is white color crime done by a “cool” president does not mean it isn’t wrong. It will damage our society in a way that poor people and uncool presidential minions never could.

  7. Cardozorolled (@Cardozorolled) 1, November 19, 2013 at 10:30 am

    What Dredd leaves out, to no surprise, because it doesn’t fit his narrative, is not only any context to what those extra people really do on a daily basis, or the fact that they are all authorized on headquarters MTOEs by Congress.
    =======================
    Register your complaint with the Washington Post, it is a quote from that newspaper:

    Other veteran commanders concurred with Gates. David Barno, a retired three-star general who commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan, warned in an interview that the environment in which the top brass lives has the potential “to become corrosive over time upon how they live their life.”

    “You can become completely disconnected from the way people live in the regular world — and even from the modest lifestyle of others in the military,” Barno said. “When that happens, it’s not necessarily healthy either for the military or the country.”

    Although American generals have long enjoyed many perks — in World War II and in Vietnam, some dined on china set atop linen tablecloths — the amenities afforded to today’s military leaders are more lavish than anyone else in government enjoys, save for the president.

    (Washington Post). Mike S, who is Jewish but not a “Jewish Veteran” as you are, put it this way up-thread: “I suspect the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex has been in charge since November 22, 1963.”

    It is clear that what offends you is reality that is not an American reality, but you like it anyway.

  8. “Members are considering legislation to require the government to have audits that are truthful. It is not clear what the requirement was before.” (JT)

    lol … sadly

    Simply cut their budget for the next year by the amount of plugs from this year. Keep on doing that year after year till they get the message. Do it on a percentage basis and take it right off the top.

  9. There are certainly complaints to be made about military excess, especially in the benefits that four-star general and flag officers enjoy, but I don’t think it is an indictment of those individuals. What we need is a nuanced discussion about what the benefits actually are and whether they are still needed. Many are hold-overs from an older time when they were in fact needed.

    But for example, criticizing the C-40 is simply silly. Of course combatant commanders have access to such a plane for official travel. They travel with a large staff and require extensive communications capability.

  10. “I suspect the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex has been in charge since November 22, 1963.” (Mike S)

    And solidified their hold after 9/11/01.

    BTW Mike, I saw a credible (developed from new testing techniques) theory for the “magic bullet” and Kennedy’s backwards head movement on PBS last week. I was channel surfing when I stumbled on the show. It was far more convincing than any other theory I’ve seen or read that Oswald was the lone shooter. I want to say it was “Secrets of the Dead” but I can’t be sure about that.

  11. I want to make my usual complaint about this story.

    These things are not done by ‘government official’. That is to say, this is not the work of regular civil servants or regular military service members.

    All these scandalous activities are actually carried out (or mandated) by politicians, political appointees, contractors, or so-called special government employees.

    DanZ

  12. Cardozorolled (@Cardozorolled) 1, November 19, 2013 at 10:47 am

    … Of course combatant commanders have access to such a plane for official travel …
    ===========================
    Neither my comment nor the Washington Post article quoted from refer to “combatant commanders”, a fuzzy word.

    The reference was to: “The elite regional commanders who preside over large swaths of the planet don’t have to settle for Gulfstream V jets. They each have a C-40, the military equivalent of a Boeing 737 …”

    The “large swaths of the planet” is is anything but a secret:

    The graphic to the left shows the world wide command structure of MOMCOM.

    That is: USNORTHCOM, USSOUTHCOM, USCENTCOM, USEUCOM, USAFRICOM see also this, and USPACOM (which are all part of the size of government) [NOTE: Since this page was posted by Dredd Blog on 8/4/2011, the military has changed or removed these web pages, the Wayback Machine versions of that time have been inserted (if available) to replace these current pages: USNORTHCOM, USSOUTHCOM, USCENTCOM, USEUCOM, USAFRICOM, and USPACOM].

    By 1990, the value of the weapons, equipment, and factories devoted to the military was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in American Manufacturing. From 1947-1990 the combined US military budget amounted to $8.7 trillion … Military industries crowd out the civilian economy … and lead to severe economic weakness.” Consider that the US military is now spending over $1 trillion per year including all black and related expenses, which is more than the entire rest of the world combined. The next biggest spender is China at $91.5 billion according to Chinese figures. Johnson summarizes, “Devotion to military Keynesianism is, in fact, a form of slow economic suicide …”

    (American Feudalism – 6). Little wonder that they have to “misplace” trillions of dollars of taxpayer money as half the nation struggles from paycheck to paycheck — for those who have jobs — that is.

  13. Dan 1, November 19, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I want to make my usual complaint about this story.

    These things are not done by ‘government official’. That is to say, this is not the work of regular civil servants or regular military service members.

    All these scandalous activities are actually carried out (or mandated) by politicians, political appointees, contractors, or so-called special government employees.

    DanZ
    ============================
    It is ok to keep the hope alive –unless it is BS posing as fact.

    You could supply something besides your wishes to make it so … like references.

    That is the proper way to oppose what JT wrote and posted, and to oppose what is contained in comments in the thread.

    At least if you want to express more than wishful, hopeful opinion.

    We all hope and wish your hope and wish, but that does not make it so.

  14. Also, the oversight is exactly the same as NSA oversight–meaningless. We do not have a functioning govt. in the US. This is so scary. Money is being stolen from the people and given to the wealthy few who run things in the world. It should be obvious by now that these are people who should not run a Dairy Queen, let alone whole nations.

    These are criminals and they are incompetent as well.

    To me, this is a point of convergence for populations around the world. It will take mass, peaceful protest to oppose these criminal imbeciles.

  15. The military and intelligence departments are bureaucracies on steroids, so their waste and fraud is bound to be exponentially worse.

  16. Infuriating. When my daughter was in Afghanistan mealtimes were cut down (to save money) and those who worked odd shifts missed out on a hot meal. These military accountants can lose trillions of dollars and get away scott free. While food assistance and unemployment benefits get cut, the wasters of the biggest slice of our economy’s budget, let money pour down some huge gaping maw somewhere.

  17. Thanks for bringing up this Taking Clause issue. There is a guy who comes to the marina here who works for the Pentagon and pays cash for everything. I wonder if he is part of this “Taking Clause” issue. They are taking from us without just compensation back to us. This is unrelated to Sinter Klaus, which is not even part of the Constitution.

  18. What itchinBayDog was alluding to is that we call this guy Sinter Klaus because he is so free with his money and says things like “I can’t take without giving back just compensation”. He works for the Pentagon but I don’t think he takes from there. He is also Pastor in a church. This is cash from the flock that they fleece on Sunday. His marina day is always a Monday. He says he works Saturday for the folks at the Pentagon. He has a small plane that he flies down from DC.

  19. Look where else the govt. spends our money and the lying of NSA making oversight a joke: “Newly declassified court documents indicate that the National Security Agency shared its trove of American bulk email and internet data with other government agencies in violation of specific court-ordered procedures to protect Americans’ privacy.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/19/fisa-court-documents-nsa-violations-privacy?CMP=twt_fd&CMP=SOCxx2I2

    When do more people say ENOUGH!?

  20. Imagine if you will, fellow Crimestoppers, all the “accounting plug” opportunities for graft, corruption, death, destruction, record opium crops, and continuing decades of military failure that President Obama’s swell new policy of “Leaving by Staying” will offer the military brass, corporate camp followers, and dogs-of-war mercenaries in Endless Afghanistan

    Then, moving on to Africa we have …

  21. “BTW Mike, I saw a credible (developed from new testing techniques) theory for the “magic bullet” and Kennedy’s backwards head movement on PBS last week.”

    Blouise,

    For the first twenty-five years after the murder I read and watched everything available on it. Having been convinced that it was a set up job, I haven’t watched/read anything uch since. Nobody has yet come up with a viable explanation of how that magic bullet was fortuitously found on an empty gurney.

    Dredd,

    Did I miss something? What does my being Jewish have to do with this thread? I’m not offended, just perplexed, what have I missed?

  22. “When do more people say ENOUGH!?” -Jill

    I don’t know, Jill, but this is one of those days when, in my heart of hearts, I’m thinking that it’s “game over.” I hope that I’m wrong – I’d like to be wrong… (Thanks for your comments.)

  23. Mike Spindell 1, November 19, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Dredd,

    Did I miss something? What does my being Jewish have to do with this thread? I’m not offended, just perplexed, what have I missed?
    =================================
    The comment was addressed to one who calls himself a “Jewish Veteran” on his Twitter link.

    And who is an apologist for the corruption of the military even though it is the nation’s greatest danger.

    I mentioned you as a person that is not in favor of this corruption.

  24. @ Mike Spindell,

    ” I suspect the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex has been in charge since November 22, 1963.”

    “For the first twenty-five years after the murder I read and watched everything available on it. Having been convinced that it was a set up job, I haven’t watched/read anything uch since. Nobody has yet come up with a viable explanation of how that magic bullet was fortuitously found on an empty gurney.”

    Mike, we view this pretty much the same. I have kept up on the newer material including the PBS show Blouise talks about. However, no one has ever explained why the magic bullet was never tested by the FBI for material found in the rifling grooves on that almost unscratched bullet nor why the rifle that supposedly was used was not given an easy test to see if it had been recently fired. No one talks about the fact that three rifles were found and photographed that day but we are to believe that a poor left handed marksman using a rifle with a defective scope made the shot and took the rifle clip with him.

    Mike, it seems to me you wrote on JFK here before and I put the title in the search engine and the article came up. I would like to re-read that article, could you again give me the title?

    @Blouise,

    “And solidified their hold after 9/11/01.” Yep!

  25. “The comment was addressed to one who calls himself a “Jewish Veteran” on his Twitter link.”

    Thanks Dredd,

    I didn’t know that he was Jewish, though he can be summed up in a word of Yiddush origin: Schmuck.

  26. “However, no one has ever explained why the magic bullet was never tested by the FBI for material found in the rifling grooves on that almost unscratched bullet nor why the rifle that supposedly was used was not given an easy test to see if it had been recently fired.”

    Pat,

    Bingo! You get it, as I suspect so do many others here. This is the guest blog I think you were asking about.

    http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/17/a-real-history-of-the-last-sixty-two-years/

  27. Mike and Pat,

    And we no longer have access to Kennedy’s skull to fully test the latest theory regarding the rear shot.

    I don’t think they addressed the rifle in the PBS program but then I tuned in after the first 10 minutes so might have missed it.

    I really wish you could see the show, Mike, as I would greatly enjoy discussing it with you. The Kennedy’s gave them permission to view all the photos though they weren’t allowed to take them.

  28. Blouise,

    I’ll watch it if my wife is willing to watch it too. One of our old fogie activities is we only have one TV and we watch together. I miss a lot of sports, but gain a lot of good companionship. :)

  29. Thanks Mike, that is the article I wanted to reread. As far as the rifle not being tested noted Warren Commission critic Harold Weisberg pointed out that the FBI also did not test the rifle James earl Ray used. Hey, they tested the .273 rifle he returned but not the 30.06 supposedly used.

    The thing is Mike, even after all these years I am open to truthful and logical arguments, none have been forthcoming.

    As far as this thread I would submit people to look at the web site sftt.org. While the issues have become even more complicated this is what they are still fighting for while the “boys” have their “toys.”
    http://sftt.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Basic-Five-5.13.2013.pdf

  30. Blouise,

    I was watching reelz TV and they showed the entire Kennedy miniseries…. I also saw the pbs program and if it was on it about the bullett I missed it as well….

  31. Blouise, funny how that brain just up and walked away from the National Archives. The brain is also not available for bullet trajectory for any theory. In another 25 years they are supposed to release the rest of the classified information. I won’t be here but my bets are on total redaction or the documents grew legs just like the brain and have been disappeared by walking out of the National Archives.

  32. MikeS.,

    I forgot about that wonder thread you wrote about….. There is a book out about the brothers Dulles:….. The NPR segment was astounding….

  33. If Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman and there was no conspiracy to assassinate John Kennedy why the need for 50 years of secrecy and obfuscation on behalf of the US governemnt?

  34. The more important point than who has been in charge of this govt. is this question. Will the people, in great numbers, try to wrest back control and put this govt. under the rule of law?

    James Bamford pointed out the Western Union gave the pre-NSA every f-ing telegram it had. In other words, all of this goes back further than 1963 and the assassination of a president who is on tape laughing about who he had killed in central and south America and who he planned to kill next. Camelot is as much propaganda as the current administration.

    Yes, we are owed a real explanation of who killed JFK. But we owe each other something of more value– the willingness to confront an out of control, unjust, destroying amalgam of multi nationals and multi nations lead by a deep state and their publicly elected minions. This must be done peacefully and with as many people on board as possible.

  35. Jill, you asked “The more important point than who has been in charge of this govt. is this question. Will the people, in great numbers, try to wrest back control and put this govt. under the rule of law?”

    When the majority of the citizenry does not even exercise the right of voting; the one thing the “an out of control, unjust, destroying amalgam of multi nationals and multi nations lead by a deep state and their publicly elected minions” fear most; the one thing they haven’t completely taken away, I would have to say no. They are just too involved with bread and circuses to give a damn.

  36. “They are just too involved with bread and circuses to give a damn.” -Pat

    So it would seem. I wish it were otherwise.

  37. Mike, Pat, AY, Person,

    They did note rather heavily that the back of his head was not shaved (from photos) and wondered why not considering it was supposed to be a back of the head shot.

    But then, of course, some of the memories from the Parkland staff, as presented in that newest movie, recall how desperate the Secret Service was to get the body out of their hospital and onto the plane that was returning to D. C.

  38. Anonymously, you wrote: If I recall Caroline Kennedy signed a extension until 2054…..”

    By what right does dear Caroline Kennedy have to further withhold evidence in a murder investigation any more than Life Magazine, a corporation, held the Zapruder evidence for so many years.

    It is ludicrous. Supposedly the evidence was withheld for a 75 year period of time to protect LHO’s children. From what we were never sure since the govt. and media have expressly named LHO as the lone assassin. Contorting themselves into unbelievable figures as they try to plug the holes in their made for TV theory. But hey, time is on their side and if all Caroline had to do to get an Ambassadorship was sign on the dotted line….well.

  39. Blouise, you wrote: “They did note rather heavily that the back of his head was not shaved (from photos) and wondered why not considering it was supposed to be a back of the head shot.” What would be the point of shaving the back of his head whether an entrance or exit wound when the man’s brains sprayed out the back of the head in a pink mist? You cannot look at the Zapruder film and see anything else. Jackie was trying to get the pieces of her husbands skull back when the SS agent crawled up the back of the car and made her sit down and take cover.

    You also wrote: “But then, of course, some of the memories from the Parkland staff, as presented in that newest movie, recall how desperate the Secret Service was to get the body out of their hospital and onto the plane that was returning to D. C.” From other documentaries I have heard from those that were there that day, the ambulance driver and mortician, that it was a nasty, foul mouthed scuffle to illegally remove JFK’s body because by Texas State law the autopsy had to be done in Texas. The Warren Commission used illustrations painted by a man that never saw the body or the photographs just verbal remembrances.

    There is a documentary out there titled “The Men Who Killed Kennedy.” It was made by the BBC for the A&E Channel but sold on the History Channel, two, two hour DVDs. One of the two men that picked up JFK and put him on the table at Bethesda grabbed his head and he said his hand sunk into JFK’s brain. A large potion of the skull was gone.

    50 year anniversary and the History channel no longer sells those DVDs. We have new ones telling things just like we like them told. One shooter….move on.

  40. “While the issues have become even more complicated this is what they are still fighting for while the “boys” have their “toys.”

    Pat,

    Followed your link and I wasn’t surprised. Every time I see some BS on TV about supporting our troops it pisses me off. We take these very young people, some with out hope for a better chance at life than risking their lives in the military, others infused with a patriotic dream and We (the U.S.) uses them and spits them out with not much to come back to and no benefits like the G.I. Bill in WWII. We deny their PTSD, overwhelm them with endless tours of duty and sing hosannahs to them. However, we fail to equip them properly, let Halliburton electrocute them in showers and fill their bellies with crappy food. We send them out to fight unneeded wars as if they were the Hessians from our revolution. Meanwhile the ranking officers live lives in luxury and retire to work for some defense contractor. As the great General Smedley Butler wrote “War is a racket.”

  41. “There is a book out about the brothers Dulles”

    AY,

    I’ll look for it. I learned about them from a book titled “The Secret War Against the Jews”, where they and Prescott Bush played key roles.

  42. “But then, of course, some of the memories from the Parkland staff, as presented in that newest movie, recall how desperate the Secret Service was to get the body out of their hospital and onto the plane that was returning to D. C.”

    Blouise,

    Yes away from the Dallas Coroner who had the authority to do the autopsy.

  43. Pat 1, November 19, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    … the govt. and media have expressly named LHO as the lone assassin.
    ===========================
    Actually that is not the case:

    The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. The Committee investigated until 1978 and issued its final report, and concluded that Kennedy was very likely assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

    (Wikipedia). It is a widespread mythical meme spread by the media when, inter alia, they are dissing “conspiracy theories” to the gullible public.

    It is official that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

  44. Yes, we are owed a real explanation of who killed JFK. But we owe each other something of more value– the willingness to confront an out of control, unjust, destroying amalgam of multi nationals and multi nations lead by a deep state and their publicly elected minions. This must be done peacefully and with as many people on board as possible. -Jill

    Jill,

    Well said. When I’m rested, I agree, in spite of the apathy that seems to surround us.

    “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds”
    – Samuel Adams –

  45. On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld gave a speech at the Pentagon where he stated:

    “According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 Trillion dollars in transactions.”

    “The adversary is closer to home, it’s the Pentagon bureaucracy.”

    “In fact, it could be said that it’s a matter of life and death.”

    Back in 2002:

    http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=43927

    ——–

    “When do more people say ENOUGH!?” -Jill

    Indeed.

  46. OT:

    Keep it comin’…

    “US and UK struck secret deal to allow NSA to ‘unmask’ Britons’ personal data

    • 2007 deal allows NSA to store previously restricted material
    • UK citizens not suspected of wrongdoing caught up in dragnet
    • Separate draft memo proposes US spying on ‘Five-Eyes’ allies
    Beta”

    by James Ball
    The Guardian, Wednesday 20 November 2013 14.00 EST

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data

    Excerpt:

    “The memo says the circumstances might include “targeting a UK citizen located in London using a British telephone system”; “targeting a UK person located in London using an internet service provider (ISP) in France; or “targeting a Pakistani person located in the UK using a UK ISP.”

    A spokeswoman for the NSA declined to answer questions from the Guardian on whether the draft directive had been implemented and, if so, when. The NSA and the White House also refused to comment on the agency’s 2007 agreement with the UK to store and analyze data on British citizens.”

    ———-

    Glenn Greenwald on these new revelations:

    “The best answer to thuggish threats from the govt against press freedoms is to keep publishing fearlessly …” (via twitter)

    “Since UK has allowed NSA to collect/store data about British citizens, it seems likely that the converse is true” (via twitter)

  47. A thought regarding denying the Dallas coronor the right to autopsy…

    A large portion of Texas HATED Kennedy. It was a land of plenty of Birchers. Their bile was worse than what we experience today. This was not a secret and Kennedy went down with Jackie in hopes of “calming” the waters.

    That’s the setup….now JFK has had half his head blown off and his wife is covered with gore. What’s do you suppose she is thinking? I suggest she is thinking she is not in a very friendly place. She wants to get home – to her children and her family – a lving and safe place. The secret service are very fond of Jackie and they’re also not feeling too good about Dallas. Do you remember what Jackie said when asked if she wanted to change clothes? She said I want them to see what they did. I’m pretty sure she included “Dallas” in that statement. She was not exactly concerned about county regulations after seeing her husband’s brains blown away.

    The rush to get JFK out of Dallas was done to afford Jackie as much comfort and protection as possible. Who here would be keen to follow Dallas county regs and keep you away from your children and family so some damn functionary could autopsy your husband? I’m not the “First Lady” of the United States of America. I would have moved heaven and earth to get out of that town.

  48. Dredd, please correct me if I’m wrong but did not the HSCA leave it up to the justice department for further action. The same justice department that claims LHO was a lone shooter. What action has there been but to rewrite history? Or should I say investigate what they want and completely ignore the rest. I believe that is what Mike meant when he said “Bingo” to me. That was just one small thing out of hundreds to thousands of non investigated leads .

    PDM, I guess we all view things differently but what I saw was Jackie being forced to watch the swearing in of the man who had helped kill her husband as she’s highjacked back to DC. with the blood, brain and gore still on her. What I saw was a completion of a coup d’état.

    AY, “Damn functionary” might be apt in some cases, but Earl Rose wasn’t one.” I agree!

  49. Mike Spindell 1, November 19, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The Roman Empire was in the end taken over by its Legions and its Generals became Emperors. It seems we are replicating the model. I suspect the Military/Intelligence/Industrial Complex has been in charge since November 22, 1963.
    ==================================
    That is underlined by a quote from an article written yesterday by RFK Jr. which I picked up on:

    In a secret meeting with Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin, my father [RFK] told him, “If the situation continues much longer, the president [JFK] is not sure that the military will not overthrow him and seize power.”

    (A Tale of Coup Cities – 6).

  50. Pat 1, November 20, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Dredd, please correct me if I’m wrong but did not the HSCA leave it up to the justice department for further action.

    ============================
    The only point I was making is that most people do not know that conspiracy is an official position for the assassination of both JFK and MLK.

    Just like most people do not know that three skyscrapers “collapsed” on 9/11, including the Twin Towers.

  51. Mike Spindell 1, November 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Dredd,

    The RFK Jr. quote is quite telling. I hadn’t heard of it before. Thank you.
    =====================
    I hadn’t heard of it before either.

    We are young when we can still learn bro.

  52. AP and Pat,

    My point was that Jackie wanted out of Texas asap. She wasn’t going to leave JFK and an autopsy would take hours. I think you are assuring me that Earl Rose was a first rate coroner. I’ll accept that. But I don’t care if John Connolly or DeBakey was going to do the autopsy. The woman needed to get JFK home and away from Texas. She knew what hate was festering in Texas – the “Treason” flyers that were left all over Dallas that morning. For god’s sake. The woman had her husband’s head blown off right next to her. And you want her to sit in a morgue (she wouldn’t leave Jack) for a few hours? That is absurd and verges on cruelty. Tell me who would have had the nerve to ask her to do that?

    Johnson did ask that Jackie leave Jack’s casket and attend the swearing in. I would suppose it was difficult for her, but she did it because she thought it was important – it would not be an overstatement to say it was an important moment in history. A Dallas autopsy was not. BTW, she asked that the autopsy be done at Bethesda (not Walter Reed which would have been better) – because Jack was in the Navy.

    Johnson was not well regarded by the Kennedys, but I doubt that they thought he killed him.

  53. I didn’t mean to imply that the autopsy was unimportant. Just that it was not important to Jackie just minutes after his death. Home and family was what was important.

  54. PDM, I am not unaware of the hate Texas as a whole had for JFK. You said “My point was that Jackie wanted out of Texas asap.” On what do you base this statement? You also said “The woman needed to get JFK home and away from Texas.” Why? Dead is dead. Also, this was not a county regulation but Texas State law and I would expect her to follow it. If she had to get home to her children she could have either left the body and gone on with LBJ or taken another plane later. From what I’ve read it was LBJ that would not take off until the body was on board.

    In any case the original post was about “A new report has detailed how the military has cooked the books to hide trillions, that’s right trillions, in missing money and equipment. The military calls them “plugs,” a curious term for fraud.” And the comments have gone far afield from that…..only they haven’t. Since the coup d’état we have become the United Corporations of the World and and not America or the USA.

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