Authoritarian Nationalist Invades To Protect Common Language Speakers While Poland Mobilizes Troops . . . Sound Familiar?

225px-Vladimir_Putin_official_portrait230px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S33882,_Adolf_Hitler_retouchedWe have long discussed the authoritarianism of Vladimir Putin whose history of beating protesters and striping away press freedom was put aside briefly for the Olympic ceremonies. However, Putin appeared to be eager to stop the love fest and turn on Ukraine. For history buffs, however, there is something a bit unnerving in Putin invading a neighboring country to protect Russian-speakers who are welcoming the troops as protectors. In case the Sudetenland does not come to mind, Poland is now mobilizing troops along the border to bring the historical analogy home for the rest of the world. While I believe that this crisis will be contained and Putin is not ready for a wider war, it is no accident that the blind nationalism and authoritarianism would lead to expansionism. Ukraine is not the Sudetenland and Poland is no longer using horses to repel tanks. Putin’s desire for control of this port and Lebensraum may not be as easy to hold as it was to take.

Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H13160,_Beim_Einmarsch_deutscher_Truppen_in_EgerPutin has already secured approval from the Duma to send in troops into Ukraine — notably not just the Crimea but the whole country. (I will note that our own Congress — both Democrats and Republicans alike — showed no more independence in approving the Iraq invasions. Indeed, some like Hillary Clinton are now frontrunners for the next presidency). Hitler cited the close ties to the region of Czechoslovakia and their common language as an excuse for the invasion while German-speakers in the country welcomed the occupation. To make the analogy even more interesting, this is the anniversary of the German invasion of March 1939.

The analogy has not escaped Poland which released the following statement: “History shows – although I don’t want to use too many historical comparisons – that those who appease all the time in order to preserve peace usually only buy a little bit of time.”

Putin’s move is a clear violation of international law. There was no serious unrest and no attack on Russian forces or territory. There was not even a basis for a preemptive attack in anticipation of such violence.

The combination of the invitation for invasion in the Crimea with today’s march in Moscow calling for invasion seems a case of history repeating itself.

170px-Russo-French_skirmish_during_Crimean_WarOf course, the jitters of the world are not helped by the fact that this is the location of the Crimean War between 1853-56 between Russia and France, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and Sardinia. Russia lost.

I do not see a major role for the United States at the moment. Our involvement is only likely to trigger even greater insecurities that are so prominent in Russian history over its borders. While people in Congress are screaming to “get tough,” any direct intervention would be a domestic political move and serve no one’s interest in the Ukraine.

None of this history is likely to phase Putin who remains as he once was: a humorless, self-infatuated KGB Lt. Colonel. The one promising fact is the crashing of Russian stock. It will be interesting to watch, in a much more economically connected world, how the likely market pressures will affect Putin’s calculations.

147 thoughts on “Authoritarian Nationalist Invades To Protect Common Language Speakers While Poland Mobilizes Troops . . . Sound Familiar?

  1. I’m not so sure I agree with you totally on this one…. Crimea is a key area for a Russia…. They still have nuclear arms in the country…. I’m thinking we should just sit this out and let it fall where it does….. There are too many oil interests and bankers that will loose everything If the US takes affirmative sides in any area….of potential conflict…..

  2. I do not see where this whole event is a surprise. Just looking at history, one would conclude Russia would push back eventually. He may be a brute, but he’s not stupid. Lot’s of money at stake there now. That’s the real deal here.

  3. I have been scoffed @ here by alleged intellectuals when I said Putin is the most dangerous man in the world. He is Cold War KGB and he has pimp slapped this administration for 6 years. Our foreign policy is in shambles and our economy is a paper tiger. We have paid a steep price for incompetence and the bills are rolling in now. Great time to cut military!!

  4. Another free-speech viewpoint:

    “You’ll be hearing these two assertions repeated, made by someone who voted for the Iraq War in the 21st Century, a lot in coming days” …:

    You just don’t, in the 21st Century, behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext so it is a very serious moment.
    [snip]
    That’s not the act of somebody who is strong. That’s the act of somebody who is acting out of weakness, who is acting out of a certain kind of desperation.

    “I guess someone in the Obama White House believed that if we call Vladimir Putin weak after he’s just called our bluff, it will get him to back down, even as Putin knows we have no great options against him.”

    “But it all shows one of the downsides of having so badly spent our moral standing already this century. Whatever the objective of these statements, whether in other circumstances they might have worked, they just come off as a joke. Especially coming from Kerry.”(Empty Wheel, “On America’s Spent Moral Standing“).

  5. The only thing that Putin answers to is money. We need to cut off the flow of money or tie up Russian investments. That will make him more nervous than any troop movements or military aid.

  6. nick:

    all those intellectuals laughed at Palin in 2008 when she said Putin would invade Ukraine because Obama was weak.

    Personally, I am with AY on this. Let it go as it will. We have no interest in this dispute. How would we like the Russians in Mexico helping one faction throw out a legitimately elected government?

  7. Bron, Obama is weak and feckless but has errand boys and a compliant press telling him he’s the greatest. A dangerous combo.

  8. nick spinelli

    I have been scoffed @ here by alleged intellectuals when I said Putin is the most dangerous man in the world.

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    We have our opinions, and the world around us has theirs:

    … as 2013 ends a global poll finds that the country seen as representing the greatest threat to peace today is … the United States.

    The question on the greatest threat to peace were part of an annual WIN-Gallup International survey of global opinions and outlook for the coming year. It has been conducted in the latter part of the year since 1977, and this year national probability samples of around 1,000 people were surveyed in each of the 65 countries polled, a total of 66,806 respondents.

    (The Country Posing The Greatest Threat to Peace as 2013 Ends is …). Just sayin’ …

  9. Believe me Dredd, I know the US is culpable in much violence both internally and internationally. I don’t think we are as bad as Russia. A low bar indeed, but nonetheless a bar we are above

  10. This history of Crimea is Russian. It was given by the USSR from Russia to Ukraine. Ukraine has other sea ports on the Black Sea. And Ukraine needs Russian oil and natural gas. It may be time to give Crimea back to Russia in exchange for reaching some peaceful accommodations on the rest of the issues. And sure, Putin is a bully. But we need to live with him for now.

  11. nick spinelli

    Dredd, How would the polling go today?
    ==============
    That is this year’s (2014) report based on end of year (2013) data.

    At the end of this year another poll will be taken.

  12. How soon we forget the feckless George Bush and his Darth Vader overlord Dick Cheney who started a preemptive war with another country. Didn’t Congress give Bush the unilateral power to invade Iraq?

  13. nick spinelli

    Believe me Dredd, I know the US is culpable in much violence both internally and internationally. I don’t think we are as bad as Russia. A low bar indeed, but nonetheless a bar we are above …
    ============
    I used to live above a bar once.

    It was part of my green thing … not driving much … you know, saving on fossil fuel use.

  14. Elaine M.

    How soon we forget the feckless George Bush and his Darth Vader overlord Dick Cheney who started a preemptive war with another country. Didn’t Congress give Bush the unilateral power to invade Iraq?
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    Good point Elaine.

    We wrote the book Putin is using.

  15. We, in a cavalier manner, attack Putin as a megalomaniac, etc, etc, the list goes on and on. However, put him up alongside of the three stooges we allowed lead us for eight years, start and lose two wars, ruin our economy, land in fighter jets on carriers, say to Americans in response to criticism of our poor weaponry, “You go to war with what ya got.”, etc, etc, and on and on and on. Compare and contrast the last administration with Putin and Putin comes out way ahead. He is certainly more intelligent than the little brush. He may be arrogant and waltz around topless to his own narcissistic delight, but he is capable.

    Putin may be securing a predominantly Russian populated area of Ukraine from the chaos and potential police action of Kiev or he may be up to his old tricks of trying to solidify Russia after the explosion of states after the break up of the USSR. Whatever he does it amounts to a hill of beans to the slaughter this country has performed in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other so called independent and autonomous countries.

    Some Americans from their xenophobic couch wax on ignorantly and hypocritically at everything knowing next to nothing.

  16. Also a coincidence that both countries hosted the Olympics before invading countries in which they had a large ethnic population residing there.

  17. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/no-american-weakness-didnt-encourage-putin-to-invade-ukraine/284168/But the Obama administration will also have to tell Kiev’s revolutionaries that while it supports a unified, democratic Ukraine, it does not support an anti-Russian Ukraine. Russia will not permit it, and at the end of the day, the United States cannot protect Ukraine from Russia’s wrath. It’s a bit like Finland’s dilemma during the Cold War or Taiwan’s now. Even if Ukraine regains control over its domestic affairs, it will never enjoy complete control over its foreign policy. The U.S. has a moral obligation to support democracy and self-determination. But it also has a moral obligation not to make promises it can’t keep.

    That was true before Obama, and it will be true after he’s gone. And it has nothing to do with America being in retreat.

  18. Our presidents are babes in the woods compared to Putin–who once led the KGB.

    *****

    Why Putin Plays Our Presidents for Fools
    I looked into his eyes once, and what I saw scared me half to death.
    By Ron Fournier
    3/2/14
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/why-putin-plays-our-presidents-for-fools-20140302

    Excerpt:
    In June 2001, George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin ended their first face-to-face meeting with an outdoor news conference beneath a craggy mountaintop in Slovenia. “Is this a man that Americans can trust?” I asked Bush as Putin glared at me.

    “Yes,” Bush replied, before allowing Putin to answer a separate question. A few minutes later, the American president elaborated: “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country,” Bush said, adding a few sentence later, “I wouldn’t have invited him to my ranch if I didn’t trust him.”

    While Bush spoke, Putin fixed his eyes on mine—a look so cold and dark that I wondered whether those eyes were, for some unfortunate Cold Warriors, the last thing they saw.

    Disclosure: I don’t pretend to read people as well as Bush, nor am I a foreign policy expert. Just three months after the Slovenia summit, Putin cooperated with Bush during the 9/11 attacks, and did so more broadly in the months that followed. Perhaps Bush saw goodness in Putin. And perhaps I spotted something else, because Russia’s advances on Georgia in 2008 and on Ukraine today suggest that Putin is an easy guy to misjudge.

  19. Sarah Palin didn’t know what she was talking about in 2008 any more than she does now. Of course Putin is an old cold warrior who will maintain his KGB mindset until he dies. It doesn’t require any intellectual effort to understand that. However, there are significant economic sanctions that could be brought to bear against Russia, and it is time to begin imposing them. Putin needs to understand that is isn’t 1956 and the Crimea isn’t Hungary.

  20. Russian occupation of Crimea, is a peaceful gesture compared to the WMD Iraq attack less by GWB and his band of war mongers. EU needs Russian gas, so they will talk tough but not act at all. US has no legitimate interest in Ukraine, so it will speak loudly and carry a small stick. Ukraine will agree with Russian ‘proposals’ and this will end without any large conflict…..if cooler heads prevail.

  21. There is a bigger picture in the Crimea. When Russia conquered the Crimea, it became Russia’s frontier. Catherine the Great then invited foreigners to settle in the frontier, motivated less by any generosity, more by the desire to have a buffer, a DEW LINE, against foreign enemies. By the late 1800’s, after far more than a century, things began to go south for the settlers who had made quite a name for themselves as wealthy farmers and entrepreneurs (my own ancestors), eventually drawing the envy of the Bolsheviks, who grew out of Russia’s emancipation of surfs, predating our own emancipation of slaves, forcing settlers from Russia to the US and other places, the remaining settlers, if not executed during the Russian Revolution, were deported to Siberia or starved during the Great Famine under Stalin. It is not known how many of my ancestors had perished at the hands of the Bolsheviks, the revolution and the USSR, but the fall of the USSR has made it possible for us to find a handful of long lost surviving family members in Siberia. It is a similar story in Ukraine and the Crimea for other people who can and will never forget the horrors of communism. For these reasons, together with the will of the people of the world, Putin will never ever prevail. Like all bullies when overcome by fear, he will back down. The Crimea should never revert back to Russia any more than California should revert back to Mexico just because Hispanics have become a majority in the “peninsula” of LA.

  22. Here is some other background that we won’t get to hear about in US newz:

    ” February 12, 2014

    Secret Tape Reveals US-backed Plot to Topple Ukraine’s Democratically-Elected President
    Caught Red-Handed
    by MIKE WHITNEY

    “In the latest debacle for the US State Department and the Obama Administration, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was caught on tape micro-managing Ukraine opposition party strategies with US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. That the Ukraine regime-change operation is to some degree being directed from Washington can no longer be denied….The taped conversation demonstrates in clear detail that while Secretary of State John Kerry decries any foreign meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs, his State Department is virtually managing the entire process.”

    This is from Counterpunch. There is also current analysis which is helpful.

    This is a case of wheels w/in wheels. We should not so easily buy the story lines fed to us by our own corrupt administration. Putin is a evil bastard but he has some real good company in the “leadership” of the US..

  23. When will the coddlers of Obama stop saying” Yeah but Bush, Chebey..” Enablers are pathological.

  24. Additionally, here is some other background that we won’t get to hear about in US newz:

    ” February 12, 2014

    Secret Tape Reveals US-backed Plot to Topple Ukraine’s Democratically-Elected President
    Caught Red-Handed
    by MIKE WHITNEY

    “In the latest debacle for the US State Department and the Obama Administration, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland was caught on tape micro-managing Ukraine opposition party strategies with US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt. That the Ukraine regime-change operation is to some degree being directed from Washington can no longer be denied….The taped conversation demonstrates in clear detail that while Secretary of State John Kerry decries any foreign meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs, his State Department is virtually managing the entire process.”

    This is from Counterpunch. There is also current analysis which is helpful.

    This is a case of wheels w/in wheels. We should not so easily buy the story lines fed to us by our own corrupt administration. Putin is a evil man but he has some real good company in the “leadership” of the US.

  25. Russia still holds several cards
    1. Gas supply to Europe
    2. Influence in Iran, which the US/Europe desperately want to stop from going nuclear
    3. A large land army next to small, weak, allies
    4. A populace that largely supports Putin. He has been peddling the fear of Western expansion. With Ukraine looking to join the EU, threatening Russia’s #1 naval base, and “interfering” with an area that is historically part of/close to Russia, the events on the ground confirm his propaganda. We just handed him a gift.

  26. Too bad you don’t bother condemning the coup that NATO and it thugs staged against the elected President. Think that one was OK? Think what the US would do if Russia and its allies staged a coup against the Mexican government. You are right that the Ukrainian nationalists are in charge and they have no love or consideration for nearly half of their citizens. From what I have read, they have banned the use of Russian, while when I was there in 1984, both languages were in use. NO more. Hell even the US uses Spanish in most things with even a smaller percentage of Spanish speakers. So it is rather disturbing to see so many on this site applauding what they would condemn in the US.

  27. Something is missing from either this story or the entire set events leading up to this ‘war’: we (US) have been supplying weapons to both sides (yes, Russia has been our most valued customer. Every year, the US sends billions of dollars worth of weapons to not only Russia, but to every country in the world.).

    Why are we surprised if a war or conflict transpires? Did we only assume that UN members and other countries were going to play cops and robbers with-our-made-in-America toys?

    This has to be another form of population control (wondering how many millions of people are going to be eliminated or ‘cleansed’?).

    Someone needs to do an atricle about the dangers of Molecular Manufacturing, and how this event (Russia/Poland/Ukraine war), along with what’s going on in the middle east-don’t forget about the unrest in South America-ties into it……..

  28. Well, I didn’t want to bring it up again, but we’ve been pushing these revolutions on the world for a while now. Putin wasn’t going to let mob style government change go on in his backyard. Yes, just like Mexico. We certainly wouldn’t put up with that crap there (although what are the Chinese doing nosing around down there???). I’m sure the Russians have some kind of Monroe-doctrine thingy there too. But yes, Nuland was caught red-handed. I’ll be interested if this poor guy they propped up will get the Bay of Pigs treatment if Putin decides to sink his ships. “We said we would back you up… but.. ahh… sorry…” This is a big moment for Putin. He will have the high ground if (IF) he can keep the violence from happening. There’s those friendly (???) neo-nazis though… Nuland knows who they are.

  29. nick,

    Same old…same old. Always looking to start an argument, aren’t you? Always ready to label people whose opinions you can’t abide. I’d say you’re the one who’s pathological. I have never been an enabler of President Obama. In fact, I have been quite critical of him.

    BTW, did you miss this comment that I made earlier today?

    **********

    Elaine M. March 3, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    Our presidents are babes in the woods compared to Putin–who once led the KGB.

    Why Putin Plays Our Presidents for Fools
    I looked into his eyes once, and what I saw scared me half to death.
    By Ron Fournier
    3/2/14
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/why-putin-plays-our-presidents-for-fools-20140302

  30. Really nick, enabler or not… there is not much either Bush could do in 2008 or Obama can do now. I don’t think anyone wants to be involved in a war with Russia so no troops or aircraft carriers should go near there. What do you propose?

  31. Without absolving the current administration from its culpability, we need to look to another Democratic President for the cause of America’s weakness in the present crisis. Bill Clinton inherited a disintegrating Soviet Union ripe for final internment. The “don’t worry be happy” President allowed the Russian nukes to proliferate and the KGB types, like Czar Vladimir, to retain too much influence.

  32. SWM, I DO NOT propose military intervention. That is not my point. That “red line” your guy drew in Syria is coming back to haunt us. Many leaders surmised Obama was weak, that confirmed any doubters. It is not force, it is the threat of force backed up w/ actions that keep people like Assad, Putin, etc. in line. Iran and North Korea now know he’s a paper tiger. We are in a VERY bad situation. I know that is hard for you to hear. I don’t say it to bust balls. Remember, I voted for Obama in 2008. I’m just secure enough to admit I f@cked up.

  33. nick, I don’t think there are any options in this situation. Some say sanctions but Europe does not want them because of natural gas.

  34. nick, Although Obama has many liabilities, I think we are fortunate that he did beat McCain in 2008. McCain has never met a potential war that he does not want to turn into an actual one.

  35. We are all Georgians! We are all Ukrainains! Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Can you imagine? Yes he never met a war he didn’t love.

  36. I would have a crazy Prez that bad people like Putin are afraid of than a weak and feckless one. When you grow up a kid in tough neighborhoods you could pick up on a weak guy and you did not screw w/ the crazy one. It’s preventing these situations that is needed. We agree there are no good options, Obama has put us in this situation.

  37. Boy next they will declare that Obama is “soft on communism”. Democrats have been in fear of the McCarthites since the fifties. Thatis why we are still in Afghanistan. Except in the Stan countries the Dems are said to be soft on al Qaeda or tallybanders. If we had let the Russians (Soviets in those days) rule Afghanistan which sits in their sphere of influence, we would not be losing lives there now. Would we? The Soviets tried to control and dampen the turban heads. Of course its what one wears.

  38. nick spinelli</b?

    … Many leaders surmised Obama was weak, that confirmed any doubters. It is not force, it is the threat of force backed up w/ actions that keep people like Assad, Putin, etc. in line. …
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    Nick, please define “weak.”

    Is it using the farce, not the force to keep the world “in line”?

    Keep the world standing in line?

  39. oops …

    nick spinelli

    … Many leaders surmised Obama was weak, that confirmed any doubters. It is not force, it is the threat of force backed up w/ actions that keep people like Assad, Putin, etc. in line. …
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    Nick, please define “weak.”

    Is it using the farce rather that the force to keep the world “in line”?

    “Chess” is keeping the world standing in line, “marbles” is letting them meander about?

  40. “It’s unsatisfying for many, especially the most aggressive foreign policy hawks in the U.S., to think world events unfold for reasons that have nothing to do with us. But foreign countries really don’t much care whether it’s unsatisfying or not – their geopolitical agendas exist without any real regard for what Americans are going to think about their decisions. ” Maddow blog

  41. “There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of religion held in contempt”

    Niccolo Machiavelli

  42. I sure hope that President Big Mouth Obama realizes that without Russia’s Soyuz rockets, our astronauts cannot even make it up to our space station, let alone back again.

    I also hope someone tells President Shoot-From-The-Lip Obama that our dwindling number of troops and mercenaries still in Afghanistan cannot get out of the sand-trap shooting gallery without Russia allowing them safe and relatively inexpensive transit through Russian territory. The Pakistanis can close the Khyber pass at any time due to Obama’s drone murdering of their citizens, and they’ve done this already more than once.

    And, of course, Russia and China could at any time decide to start providing advanced weaponry to the Taliban — just as we did when the Soviet Union occupied that country — and then watch the U.S. planes, blimps, drones, and helicopters hit the ground. Things could get really ugly really fast for our military forces in Afghanistan if President Obama panics yet again over his visceral fear of Sarah Palin (or any other Republican, for that matter) calling him a pussy.

    President Obama really needs to just shut his mouth — and put a sock in John Kerry’s mouth, as well. As for Professor Turley, he should write about something else, since he clearly does not understand how much Europe and the United States both depend on good relations with Russia. And this whole “we have to bomb your village to save your human rights from yourselves” line of propaganda has become so lame in the eyes of the world, that I wonder how any American can stand to utter a word of it with a straight face.

    The United States needs to mind its own damn business, because the United States has more unfinished business at home than it has anywhere outside its own borders.

  43. Dredd, It was in August of 2012, 3 months before the election, that Obama drew “the red line” regarding Syria using chemical weapons. It was off the cuff. He was trying to buck up. However, he obviously didn’t realize that was REAL serious. Weakness is feeling you have to be tough and talk tough about “red lines” and not follow through when that line is crossed. He’s being punked by Iran regarding nukes. Men like Putin, Assad, etc. smell weakness and pounce on it. There will be more. I can’t believe I am saying this but I wish Hillary was still @ the State Dept. She’s got more balls than Obama and Kerry combined.

  44. @Michael Murry: I agree with your comment: we don’t have a dog in this fight. Heck, it’s laughable that Americans politicians are yelling about violations of international law. Add to that the fact they’ve been fomenting the unrest against a democratically elected president. That president BTW was hastily replaced by interim president and very important positions in government were handed over to the Neo-Nazi party there. Should you not know, their motto is one nation, one language and one people. And yes, as usual, the Jews need not apply.
    Nick Spinelli, your definition of strength is often the one which leads to terrible loss of human life and potential. Your definition sounds like a pissing contest to me. Strength to me is the ability to play a game of chess with cunning and a deliberate cool head . It is a game in which the ‘mine is bigger than yours’ temperament is overcome by shrewd and informed intellect.

  45. I agree with Michael Murry.
    One of the main problems Americans have is that they have a very hard time seeing themselves as others see them. If I lived in Country A, and I watched country B invade country C, to set it on fire for a whole decade with entire villages, towns and cities burning with people in them screaming and dying(4 million of them: a phenomenal number), all this for the love of freedom…, one has to understand that as a citizen of Country A, my mind is clear of any bias…this would all seem to me to be selfish, evil, bloodthirsty, satanic. Pure and simple. Many of us subconsciously believe that the simple fact that veterans coming back with some crisis of conscience, smoking weed and listening to the beatles while exercising their freedom of speech to question their “own government” suddenly absolves america from slaughtering a big slice of a nation that had nothing to do with them.
    So it only makes sense that when Russia, or China are involved, the examples that pop up have to go all the way back to Nazi Germany…
    We think we are waaaaaaayyy too special. How can we understand others? never.

  46. Els, I am simply explaining the male dynamic. Whether one likes it or not, men still rule the world and own most everything in it. I’m not saying that dynamic of strength is right or wrong. It is simply the reality. Politics isn’t chess, it’s hardball.

  47. RT Host Abby Martin Condemns Russian Incursion Into Crimea – On RT
    By Glenn Greenwald
    4 Mar 2014
    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/03/04/rt-host-abby-martin-condemns-russian-incursion-crimea-rt/

    Excerpt:
    The vast bulk of the commentary issuing from American commentators about the Russian military action in Ukraine involves condemning exactly that which they routinely advocate and which the U.S. itself routinely does. So suffocating is the resulting stench that those who played leading roles in selling the public the attack on Iraq and who are still unrepentant about it, such as David “Axis of Evil/The Right Man” Frum, have actually become the leading media voices condemning Russia on the ground that it is wrong to invade sovereign countries; Frum thus has no trouble saying things like this with an apparently straight face: “If Russia acts the outlaw nation, can it be expected to be treated as anything but an outlaw?”

    Enthusiastic supporters of a wide range of other U.S. interventions in sovereign states, both past and present and in and out of government, are equally righteous in their newfound contempt for invasions – when done by Russia. Secretary of State John Kerry – who stood on the Senate floor in 2002 and voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq because “Saddam Hussein [is] sitting in Baghdad with an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction” and there is “little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction” – told Face the Nation on Sunday: “You just don’t in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext.” The supremely sycophantic Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer – as he demanded to know how Russia would be punished – never once bothered Kerry (or his other Iraq-war-advocating guests, including Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Washington Post columnist David Ignatius) by asking about any of that unpleasantness (is it hard at all for you to sermonize against invasions of sovereign countries given, you know, how often you yourself support them?)

    American invasions and occupations of nations halfway around the world are perfectly noble, but Russian interference in a part of a country right on its border is the supreme act of lawless, imperial aggression. Few things are worse than watching America’s militarists, invasion-and-occupying-justifiers, regime-change enthusiasts, drone-lovers, and supporters of its various “kinetic military actions” self-righteously wrap themselves in the banner of non-intervention, international law and respect for sovereignty. Does anyone take those denunciations seriously outside of the class of western elites who disseminate them?

    American media elites awash in an orgy of feel-good condemnation in particular love to mock Russian media, especially the government-funded English-language outlet RT, as being a source of shameless pro-Putin propaganda, where free expression is strictly barred (in contrast to the Free American Media). That that network has a strong pro-Russian bias is unquestionably true. But one of its leading hosts, Abby Martin, remarkably demonstrated last night what “journalistic independence” means by ending her Breaking the Set program with a clear and unapologetic denunciation of the Russian action in Ukraine:

  48. To look at it even further, maybe from Putin’s perspective, he almost has a no win situation. Stand by and let probable demonstrations start again in the east with loss of life, or maybe try going in there and just getting in the way?? Either way, as was pointed out in this blog, the US is largely responsible for this moment. But, the more time goes by, the more worrisome it becomes for everyone.

    My breaking news email this AM was:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin today accused the United States and other Western nations of a double standard in criticizing his nation’s incursion into Crimea. He said the U.S. acted in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya without a U.N. resolution authorizing that action or by “twisting” U.N. resolutions.

    Putin also said Russia is not trying to make Crimea a part of Russia. Only people who live in Crimea can determine their future, he said.

    If he can actually oversee a replication of the peaceful Czechoslovakia breakup, he will have the moral high ground. What does he have to lose–watch you Ukraine become Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, or Libya?? In his backyard yet?

    Just trying to be objective.

  49. The other interesting thing is that Putin has decided to be very up front about it. By putting soldiers right there with the people, it almost has an old west vibe to it. Kind of like demanding respect of all sides. He hasn’t done it Hungary, Czechoslovakis, or Poland style. No air strikes or drones. He had his envoy walking around, talking to soldiers and shaking hands. And that was from our news, which I find odd. Is our media trying to become more responsible now that the situation has escalated?? It’s a very interesting card he is playing.

  50. I came to the same conclusion about the comparison between Adolph and Vladimir with regard to the Sudentenland and the Crimea. It is especially a strange and eerie coincidence how the Nazis held the ’36 Olympics and later the invasion of Poland and this.

    We signed an agreement with the Ukraine in ’97 to protect her in exchange for her relinquishing nuclear weapons. Ukraine is in the process of becoming a NATO nation. We should along with our European allies honor our agreements.

  51. The markets can turn around if he ends this well. This has a much bigger, and far-reaching implications. Americans as a whole don’t have the broader sense of history Europeans have. He has way more to gain by keeping a peaceful transition. As I said, he can set a new precedent for the way a powerful country can act in the world. Unlike actions in Afghanistan, Irag, Egypt… blah, blah, blah…

  52. “To look at it even further, maybe from Putin’s perspective, he almost has a no win situation.”
    ~+~
    Well, he didn’t have to order invasion the Crimea to begin with. I don’t see him as forced into the situation.

  53. Darren,

    No, he did not, but from what I have read, it appears that a clash was about in the process between the new government and Crimeans who were now the outraged party. That is what I drew my conclusion from. It’s easy not to be objective. I have tried to play devil’s advocate for the sake of discussion. Seems it was needed here for a more full analysis. Interested to hear your response because I always learn a lot whenever I read your contributions!

    The world is interconnected now, and brute force may only solve the moment. I think Putin has a much larger role in the world for Russia in mind, and what happens here could advance it, or end the possibility for it in his lifetime.

  54. What’s lost here is, how did so many Russians end up in the Ukraine and Crimnea, in the first place? No one in Western media seems to actually know. Without knowing the answer to this question, no one can say he knows Ukrainian history.

  55. nick spinelli

    Dredd, It was in August of 2012, 3 months before the election, that Obama drew “the red line” regarding Syria using chemical weapons. It was off the cuff. He was trying to buck up. However, he obviously didn’t realize that was REAL serious. Weakness is feeling you have to be tough and talk tough about “red lines” and not follow through when that line is crossed. He’s being punked by Iran regarding nukes. Men like Putin, Assad, etc. smell weakness and pounce on it. There will be more. I can’t believe I am saying this but I wish Hillary was still @ the State Dept. She’s got more balls than Obama and Kerry combined.
    ===================
    “Warmongering is strength, peace is weakness.”

    Why don’t you just say it?

    Because it is obvious bullshit when you don’t PC it?

  56. The tribal migrations, wars, treaties, etc are all very complex. Not like here where we threw the Native Americans aside, and that was the end of it. Every war caused boundaries to be drawn, and redrawn. Kind of like Yugoslavia, just a pile of states conveniently clumped together that only the strong personality with an almost mythological hero status of Tito could hold together. It didn’t last long after he died. Or a more painful example, Germany, that was carved up after WWI without respect to the populations. Even Keynes knew that scenario was going to end badly. I don’t remember the exact details of Ukraine’s settlement after WWI and II, but you can be sure it was messy and was done to please someone else somewhere who was not Ukrainian. Then gulped up into the Soviet Union. Just goes to show how long history takes to play out sometimes. Sometimes motives that seem to be made of haste actually have a long history (well, unlike our foreign policy). A similar scenario could have happened here with the Civil War. Could we imagine the mess here if we were as many as five countries now??

  57. Keith

    … One of the main problems Americans have is that they have a very hard time seeing themselves as others see them.

    ==============
    The hypocrisy gene disables vision.

  58. Dredd, I have said here SEVERAL times I do not see armed conflict as a solution. My point about Obama’s weakness is DON’T SAY “RED LINE.” I have said previously I thought we had no biz in Syria or Libya. Obama was trying to look strong and made a playground mistake. Drawing a line and then backing off is exponentially worse than just walking away.

  59. Elaine M,

    Secretary of State John Kerry – who stood on the Senate floor in 2002 and voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq because “Saddam Hussein [is] sitting in Baghdad with an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction” and there is “little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction” – told Face the Nation on Sunday: “You just don’t in the 21st Century behave in 19th Century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext.”

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    The 21st and 19th centuries?

    He left out the 20th century.

    Why?

    Because during the 20th century the warmongering government was suffering from a tumor which ended up “invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext” and then “invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext” and then “invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext” …

    Which caused a million or so deaths by what he is calling illegal.

    It is no wonder polls of people around the world consider the U.S. to be the greatest danger to world peace.

    Any government is a danger to world peace if the people are too weak to keep it in its cage.

  60. I kind of hate to be as negative as Dredd, but pretty much north, south, east, or west of I-495, and people think the Washington elite are nuts. That’s why you have these crazy disconnects like talking out of one side of their mouth about Iraq in ’02, then talk out the other side now. Other citizens around the world seem to understand this right away. Could it be we have called the shots for so long, we feel that we can just “make it up as we go?”
    I believe the other sad situation is that there is a core group in DC that has been trying to get this party started for a long time.

  61. Elaine, amazingly brave of Abby Martin. I hope she gets out of Russia safely, if that’s where they were filming.

  62. nick spinelli

    Dredd … Drawing a line and then backing off is exponentially worse than just walking away.
    ==================
    No it isn’t, except to bloviating dementia sufferers in a bar who are too full of themselves to be able to find their feeble mind with both hands.

    This is international relations, foreign relations, not bar brawling over football games.

    We have more people in military marching bands than in the diplomatic corps.

    Little wonder that the CIA effort to overthrow the Ukraine government, and the still ongoing one in Venezuela are not going to work out like they used to.

    Or any other such efforts (Syria, Iran) … we have been found out, which has nothing to do with penis strength.

    What is weak is our reputation in the world due to our weak minds damaged by tumors of mental disease.

    Mental disease kills far, far more Americans than imaginary enemies do:

    Alzheimer’s disease is the sixth leading cause of death in the United States.

    More than 5 million Americans are living with the disease.

    1 in 3 seniors dies with Alzheimer’s or another dementia.

    (Alzheimer’s Association). No wonder our warmongering idiots are so desperate to find some enemies who will kill as many of us as we kill of ourselves.

    Even the military NSA can’t find that magic enemy, so the dementia of propaganda pricks forward in fantasy, all because of “brain tumors.”

  63. Dredd
    The hypocrisy gene disables vision.
    ======================
    This is especially true of those who make up the media in this country. There are so many people with an ok vision, like this blog for instance. But sadly the official word we present to the world seems so hypocritical. Take the leaked phone conversation between Nuland and the Ambassador, I had a hard time believing that those people were speaking in my name!
    Can you imagine Chinese Diplomats planning to topple our presidents, and saying stuff like :”oh, don’t put Palin, she’s not ready yet, put Gingrich instead, or bring back Rumsfeld or Ralph Nader..”

    You know, Having lived very long periods abroad, I spent my time reassuring people about America, and how they should come and see for themselves how cool everyday life is…
    I guess it’s our fault letting Wolf Blitzer and Tom Friedman speak for us!

  64. Ukraine Mobile Phones Under Cyberattack
    Reuters
    Posted: 03/04/2014
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/ukraine-cyberattack-mobile-phones-russia-parliament-security_n_4895287.html?utm_hp_ref=media

    Excerpt:
    (Reuters) – Ukraine’s telecommunications system has come under attack, with equipment installed in Russian-controlled Crimea used to interfere with the mobile phones of members of parliament, the head of Ukraine’s SBU security service said on Tuesday.

    “I confirm that an IP-telephonic attack is under way on mobile phones of members of Ukrainian parliament for the second day in row,” Valentyn Nalivaichenko told a news briefing.

  65. Are u skeert sheetless yet?

    The leading causes of American deaths, and the quantity of deaths, according to strong McCain and his strong boyfriend from the Carolinas:

    red lines in the sand – 1
    Saudi Arabian Hijackers – 3,000
    red lines in the sand – 1
    Muslins – 4
    red lines in the sand – 1
    coodies caused by abortions – billions and billions and billions
    red lines in the sand – 1
    Ruskies – 0

    The top 11 causes of American deaths according to the CDC and AMA:

    Heart disease: 597,689
    Cancer: 574,743
    [negligent treatment – 424,000]
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
    Alzheimer’s disease [dementia]: 83,494
    Diabetes: 69,071
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
    Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364

    (CDC.gov).

    Let’s follow Southern Man and invade abortions caused only by legitimate rapes.

  66. Thanks the post, Elaine. Thanks to the visitor with the links. Maybe we can avoid another horrible scene of human suffering. Maybe.

    In the meantime, yes “terrorism” was losing it’s luster of fear. Bring back the “reds.” Rinse, repeat with the name of your choice.

  67. Dredd, It all comes down to that primal males shit. It doesn’t matter if it’s foreign relations, contract negotiations, or a bar room debacle. You obviously don’t understand that. I would therefore love to negotiate w/ you. Successful females understand it. Naomi Wolf writes about it. She tried to make Al Gore an alpha male. My understanding of it has literally saved my life dealing w/ an angry armed man. The more you ridicule this primal stuff the more you diminish your argument. As I said to someone else, this isn’t chess, it’s hardball. Not for the weak kneed or faux macho men. Again, Hillary understands it better than Obama or our mortician Sec. of State. She wore the pants[suit].

  68. nick spinelli

    Dredd, It all comes down to that primal males shit. It doesn’t matter if it’s foreign relations, contract negotiations, or a bar room debacle. You obviously don’t understand that. I would therefore love to negotiate w/ you. Successful females understand it. Naomi Wolf writes about it. She tried to make Al Gore an alpha male. My understanding of it has literally saved my life dealing w/ an angry armed man. The more you ridicule this primal stuff the more you diminish your argument. As I said to someone else, this isn’t chess, it’s hardball. Not for the weak kneed or faux macho men. Again, Hillary understands it better than Obama or our mortician Sec. of State. She wore the pants[suit].
    ======================
    Nick, be careful this might give you a stiffie, so take off your kilt before reading it:

    The Lord is a warrior and in Revelation 19 it says when he comes back, he’s coming back as what? A warrior. A mighty warrior leading a mighty army, riding a white horse with a blood-stained white robe … I believe that blood on that robe is the blood of his enemies ’cause he’s coming back as a warrior carrying a sword.

    And I believe now – I’ve checked this out – I believe that sword he’ll be carrying when he comes back is an AR-15.

    Now I want you to think about this: where did the Second Amendment come from? … From the Founding Fathers, it’s in the Constitution. Well, yeah, I know that. But where did the whole concept come from? It came from Jesus when he said to his disciples ‘now, if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.’

    I know, everybody says that was a metaphor. IT WAS NOT A METAPHOR! He was saying in building my kingdom, you’re going to have to fight at times. You won’t build my kingdom with a sword, but you’re going to have to defend yourself. And that was the beginning of the Second Amendment, that’s where the whole thing came from. I can’t prove that historically and David [Barton] will counsel me when this is over, but I know that’s where it came from.

    And the sword today is an AR-15, so if you don’t have one, go get one. You’re supposed to have one. It’s biblical.

    (Hypothesis: The Cultural Amygdala – 4, quoting a strong U.S. General). Hey, pain is weakness leaving you bod bro, and Cheezus is a primal male eh?

  69. nick spinelli

    Dredd, It all comes down to that primal males shit. It doesn’t matter if it’s foreign relations, contract negotiations, or a bar room debacle.

    ==================
    Very few have that eastern “allie samie” fantasy Nick.

    [fixed link from earlier comment] From (Washington’s Blog):

    “Fear of terrorists made the American public afraid, gullible and easy to manipulate for more than a decade.

    But now – despite the best efforts of the military-industrial complex to intentionally whip up an exaggerated hysteria of Islamic terrorists – Americans are starting to wake up from our fear-induced haze:

    We don’t buy the “justifications” for mass surveillance

    For the first time since 9/11, we value privacy more than anti-terror protections

    We’re more afraid of the government than of terrorists

    We’re sick of war … and no longer falling for the government’s pro-war arguments

    Indeed, Americans are realizing that we’re more likely to be killed by lightning, toddlers, brain-eating parasites or bad government policy than terrorism.

    So how can the poor lads in the military industrial complex keep the gravy train going?

    The evil Russians! That worked last time … it’ll work again!

    All they have to do is re-demonize the Russians. How long can it take to scrub the images of the peaceful Olympics – and Putin’s prevention of war against Syria – out of people’s minds, and re-instill the fear of the old Red Menace?”

  70. Dredd, It’s anthropology, I thought you were into that stuff. We will simply need to disagree.

  71. A legitimately elected head of state is thrown out and asks for help from Russia. This is none of our business. I smell a rat and it isnt Putin this time.

    This smells like Wag the Dog, only it isnt going to be a fictional war. An unpopular sitting president with big trouble at home and no stature abroad. There is the IRS scandal, Benghazi, NSA spying and a terrible economy with large unemployment, some say over 70 million if you include people who arent looking.

    What better way to unify this country than a shooting war with the Russians, all those cold warriors could finally find comfort in their lazy boys as our young men and women deploy to Kiev. And our glorious leader takes us into battle against the evil Putin.

    When McCain and Kerry are on the same page, it has got to be the wrong thing to do.

    At least it is spring time for Obama so he doesnt have to worry about the Russian winter when he pushes up into Russia through Kursk and on to Moscow.

    I wonder if he even knows of Napolean’s trouble in Russia? Somehow I doubt it.

    But he sure would look good in one of those Russian fur hats.

  72. Ukraine gained independence in 1991, after many decades of Soviet domination and politburo rule. Both Russians and Ukrainians were dancing in the streets of Kiev, both ethnic groups having formed a kinship under Soviet exploitation of Russians and Ukrainians alike. Almost from this outset, Moscow began meddling in Ukraine’s political affairs, throwing elections by killing journalist and candidates who could not be bribed, which violence now divided the ethnic groups. It’s akin to Mexico helping Hispanics gain political control of, say, Southern California. Then, after the citizens of California became fed up with monumental Hispanic corruption, took control back by force, Mexico then responding with military troops, occupying Southern California under the guise of protecting Hispanics. So what if the Ukrainians threw the corrupt Russians out of office? They couldn’t throw them out by elections, so they threw them out by force. No matter how you otherwise want to slice it, you can’t argue that Putin should have a free pass on this one.

  73. Darren, the US and UN violated the Helsinki treaty when the US and NATO abrogated that treaty, and dismembered Serbia. GHW Bush told Gorbachov that NATO would NOT expand into the former SU local governments. Once again the US lied and actually trashed treaties the US had signed. So in your view only the US can be trusted, and any acts of self defense are outlawed. Incredible.

  74. So in other words you are saying Randy that no treaties from Helsinki forward should be followed?

    Are you implying Russia was justified in its invasion of the Ukraine?

  75. nick spinelli

    Dredd, It’s anthropology, I thought you were into that stuff. We will simply need to disagree.
    ===============
    I think we will have to agree to disagree if you think group behavior is to be diagnosed exactly the same as individual behavior in this context.

    But not so if metaphor, epitome, and micro/macro techniques can be used to analyze these dynamics.

    In that sense we can ask “is it a tumor“, or is it “neurosis” that propels nations into things they would not otherwise do?

    In that sense we could ask the same thing of a conflict in a bar.

    Yet, there are observations by knowledgeable people who feel that at the professional, clinical level, group behavior has a dimension that individual behavior does not have:

    Group: “One would say that [man] is destined to exterminate himself after having rendered the globe uninhabitable.” – Lamarck

    Group: “The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Group: “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” – James Madison

    Both: “Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” – Friedrich Nietzsche

    Individual: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair

    Group: “Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.” – Claud Cockburn

  76. Darren Smith

    So in other words you are saying Randy that no treaties from Helsinki forward should be followed?

    Are you implying Russia was justified in its invasion of the Ukraine?
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    I think the situation is like when a complaint if filed.

    It contains allegations.

    Allegations which must be proved, with the burden of proof on the one making the allegations.

    The decision cannot be made by the one filing the complaint, there must be an independent, competent, and unbiased third party.

    A judge or a jury.

    And both sides must be given an equal and fair opportunity to present their case.

    The United Nations or the International Criminal Court are suggested venues.

    Unitl then, “invasion” and “coup” are mere allegations.

    Thus, it is better that the allegations are not quoted as fact (except by the trier of fact in a motion to dismiss scenario, or by the parties who agree on material facts in a summary judgment scenario).

    Our jurisprudence has some dynamics in it that media should take notice of.

  77. Darren, IN the main, I am against countries invading their neighbors, but I have to look at all the facts of a case. in this specific instance, I think the Russians are justified in acting to counter the coup that was staged by extreme right wing nationalists. You have to remember the FACT that we now know the US was active in staging the coup against the legitimate ELECTED government of the Ukraine against the Russian speaking population which is nearly a majority. I was in the Ukraine in 1984 and drove around the place. The Ukrainian language and Russian were equal in use for all functions. The Ukrainian, Krushchev gave Ukraine the Crimea as part of its territory in1954. So there was no long history of it being part of the Ukraine. I would go further than Putin, and I think he would be justified in invading ALL of the Ukraine and restoring the previous government. I doubt he will do that since he will then inherit all of its debt and have to bail out the Ukraine, plus having to fight the nationalists. Putin is quite correct in intervening and is justified. He is not as bad as the US in fooling around in other countries internal affairs, not to mention what the US did recently in Iraq.

    To give some other examples of foreign intervention that I think were justified, there is the Turkish invasion of Cyprus where the Greek military dictatorship overthrew the legitimate elected government of that country and wanted union with Greece. The Greek colonels has just finished killing off over 20,000 of their fellow Greeks, so when the Brits refused to do what they were pledged to do by treaty, the Turks invaded to keep the Greeks from doing to the Turkish folks what they had done in Greece. While that was technically illegal under the UN Charter, I think that the Turks had no other choice and saved a lot of lives. Another instance was the invasion of Cambodia by Vietnam to get rid of the genocidal regime of Pol Pot. Instead of condemnation, Vietnam should have gotten our support, but Ronnie Reagan sided with Pol Pot and was giving him arms and money. Then we have the inaction by Clinton in Rwanda. At least he had enough decency and honesty to acknowledge his mistake in NOT taking military action and apologized to the people of that country. While Clinton did the correct diplomatic thing according to the UN Charter, he and I think he was gravely mistaken. I am all for following the letter of the law in most instances, but there are situations and times when it is more important to follow the spirit than the absolute letter of the law. The UN has now moved in that direction as a result of Rwanda I might add.

    I also have to note the fact that when Putin invaded Georgia, W Bush did absolutely NOTHING at all, and he was not called “weak” and passive about aggression. I thought that the US had no business there, and the regime that was elected in Georgia had FAR more legitimacy than the current US installed one in the Ukraine. The Russians confined their military ops to just the portion of Georgia that had a Russian speaking majority since the regime was seriously threatening the lives of them. Georgia by the way was seeking NATO membership as was the Ukraine. It is absurd to think that any country will allow a military alliance to form on its borders which directly threatens and is very aggressive against it. If any person can say that the US was justified in attacking Iraq, then they will have to agree that Putin is FAR more justified than was the US.

  78. As a side question, what ever happened to the “anti-war left?” I watched, well, admittedly seconds of Maddow last night, and it sounded like she was calling up the air strikes. Has all of the liberal population been absorbed into neocon philosophy?? “If you’re not PC, all-inclusive, put aside your own values” we’ll start with a bolshevik-style uprising then bomb you to death.” …Well, I think I just actually defined the neoconservative movement. Sorry for obvious…

  79. randyjet:

    you are right, we have no business in Ukraine. It makes me sick to think of our young men and women going over there for this.

    If Putin invades Poland or the Baltic countries, well then I think we should intervene and hard but not for this.

  80. The bigger issuee is about a legitimate government firing on demonstrators and killing some 80 of them, wounding hundreds of others. It’s likely some Russians were killed and wounded also, the ones that were fed up with government corruption. The Russian trouble makers in Ukraine are members of the old Soviet guard, the Politburo members who ruled over Russian and Ukrainian workers alike, using corruption to live the high life while 90 percent of the population waited in bakery lines for a loaf of bread. This old guard wants its perks back, apparently at any cost. The Russian workers do not want to go back to Moscow’s rule any more than the Ukrainians want to. Both groups want Ukrainian independence. They just have to regain the common ground they had under Soviet rule, before Moscow began muddying the waters after 1991. Just because race relations have deteriorated in the United States, does not mean we should start partitioning the country. Russian and Ukrainian workers got along and coexisted during the Soviet era. With legitimate leadership, they can continue to do it again. I think Putin and Obama should get together on the golf course, both shirtless, set an example that people of different race can get along. After all, they do in Hollywood.

  81. Samantha, Those demonstrators were NOT peaceful ones as we found out, but were ARMED and managed to kill a number of police. You will notice that in unarmed demonstrations such as Kent State among others, there were NO dead cops. THAT should clue you into the FACTS of the case. WE also know the US was supporting these fascists, and was giving them money and advice, most probably along the lines of the CIA to kill some of your own side to blame it on the government as the US did in Nicaragua to Eden Pastora.

    The right wing is the ones who are stirring up most of the trouble and they hate Jews, an old Ukrainian pastime. Ukrainians supplied most of the guards at the death camps by the way, with a smattering of Lithuanians, Estonians. and Latvians. They also HATE Russians which does NOT bode well for their fate with this US installed government. As for the partitioning of a country, I refer you to the great job NATO did in breaking up Yugoslavia when the US pandered to the fascists there and violated the Helsinki Treaty on Europe. Then to compound the crime, the US stole Kosovo from Serbia which had been an integral part of Serbia for centuries. The US then helped to complete the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of the few remaining Serbs and Gypsies. So please spare me and the rest of us crocodile tears. NATO also thought that ethnically cleansing all the Serbs from the Kraijna region of Croatia was a good thing, at which point the fascist government killed or expelled over 300,000 Serbs, but that was GOOD ethnic cleansing since it was directed at Serbs. Let’s put the blame where it rightfully belongs, on the US and NATO. As I pointed out earlier, Putin, following the US example would be perfectly justified in restoring the previous government in the Ukraine. The list of the US doing that is so long I wonder if I have sufficient time or space. If you wish I will make that list.

  82. samantha:

    why is that our problem? I dont want my son being killed in Ukraine for their idea of freedom. Screw that.

    Enough already, isnt Iraq enough of an example to run anytime any numb nutted politician wants to bring democracy and freedom to another country? Especially if there is no US strategic interests attached to that country.

    We should have a 1,000 ship navy, 6,000 nuclear missiles, a 2 million man army, anti-ballistic missile capability and the willingness to use it quickly and effectively if we are threatened and the wisdom to know what is and is not in our national interest.

    Ukraine is not in our national interest and neither is Taiwan. But I am pretty sure if we were willing to use nukes and had the capability to shoot down Chinas ballistic missiles over the south China Sea, we wouldnt need to worry about China even mussing the hair of one person in Taiwan. Same goes for Russia and Ukraine.

    Fighting the Russians over Ukraine is a Neo-Cons wet dream.

  83. Bron, why was Russian expansion a problem after WWII? Maybe you believe your freedom has been preserved by accident.

    And randy, of course there has been US and Western influence in Ukraine, the same as there has been Russian influence there, too. You seem to favor only Russians having that right, a monopoly to lobby in Ukraine. The old broken record, he did it, so it is okay for me to do it, too, does not work. That’s like saying it is OK for Putin to rape just because Obama, Bush and Clinton had raped. I don’t think you’ve ever lived in Ukraine much less been there in a motel or something.

    A few weeks ago hardly one person in the press knew anything about Ukraine or its history. Now they’re all suddenly experts.

    Finally, the US has not expanded its territories since the end of the Cold War, but Russia has.

  84. samantha

    A few weeks ago hardly one person in the press knew anything about Ukraine or its history. Now they’re all suddenly experts.”

    With a plethora of conflicting and contradictory views as is typical (Ukraine: Tea Potters In A Tempest).

    Finally, the US has not expanded its territories since the end of the Cold War, but Russia has.”

    Once you own the whole world that is not already nailed down, there is nothing remaining to consume (The Virgin MOMCOM – 8).

  85. samantha:

    I dont need to live in Ukraine to know we have no business involving ourselves in a shooting war with the Russians.

    Putin is a tyrant and we should condemn his actions in the most strenuous possible way short of military action.

    Hasnt 13 years of continuous war been enough?

    Do you own stock in General Dynamics and Lockheed? Or have you shorted the dollar?

    I dont care about Ukarnians and I didnt care about Iraqis then, I care less about what happens to them now and to Afghans.

    If you want to go to war, invade Iran or just nuke the mullahs, Iran is a strategic threat to the US. Putin, not so much. He is just another tyrant/dictator who is hoping his people dont hang him naked from a light pole by his feet.

  86. Samantha, I see you forgot about Iraq, ever hear of the place? The US sure as hell does expand our territory and we punish ANY who go against what the US dictates. You also forget that after the fall of the Soviet Union, there were millions of Russian citizens who were living and working in all the different republics, and who were subject to total loss of ANY civil rights in many of them, especially in the Baltics. It is as though, Hawaii seceded, and regained its independence, and then denied the majority of the people living there any civil rights as citizens. The US did NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THAT! So it is reasonable for Russia to be concerned about the rise of a fascist regime in the Ukraine which seeks to ethnically cleanse Ukraine of non-Ukrainians. Of course, we all know that ethnic cleansing as in Serbia is GOOD as long as you are defined as the, sub-human scum that the US hates.

    Of course, the US LIED about not wanting to expand NATO, violated the Helsinki Treaty, violated the UN Charter. So it is more than reasonable for Russia to be concerned and intervene when the US instigates a coup to overthrow a freely elected government, but I know that free elections means nothing to you or the USA as long as the “right” people win. As I said, using the example of the USA, Putin has every right to take over the whole Ukraine and put back in power the legitimate government.

  87. Where do the war hawks think we are going to get the military personnel to go to these wars from? Repeat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan have paid a toll on our troops. Where will we get the funding to involve ourselves in yet another war? It’s about time we go our nose out of other country’s affairs.

  88. I have never suggested that we get into a military conflict with Russia. We did not during the Cold War and we don’t need to now either. Putin’s posturing, I think, has more to do with Obama being a prick. Putin gave refuge to Snowden as pay back. Putin blames Obama for losing his puppet in Ukraine. And now Putin is occupying Crimea to freak out Obama. I think a lot of this will all just blow over, after Obama quits being a prick, saving face for Putin.

    As for Ukraine itself, I think the majority of those people want to be an independent nation, Russians and Ukrainians alike. After corrupt administrations have siphoned Ukraine’s wealth, it is now tragic Ukraine can’t survive without Russian or EU support. When the Soviet Union fell, corrupt Ukrainian officials sold government assets, such as generating stations and the grid, to Western investors (probably your own 401k, so not so fast, least you find yourself peeing into the wind), who were all too eager to pay bribes and kickbacks. So there are a lot of global interests here, all working in the background to help sort things out.

  89. samantha:

    I dont have a 401k and never would. I might put in 3% for the matching funds but that would be it. I took care of my own retirement, those prics in the mutual funds are all about lining their own pockets.

    So no, I have no interest in Ukraine unless of course a local McDonalds gets blown up by American troops fighting Russian troops. But then that is always what happens when tyrants and dictators are involved; people who work for a living providing goods and services to other people get screwed by war.

  90. No argument there, Bron. It’s why I favor the Ukrainian citizens in this international dog fight, who’ve been royally screwed — even killed — not just since 1991 but also throughout the entire Soviet era and even before that. And many here insanely argue against them. One can make the same argument for the middle class in America. It’s always the silk-lined pockets of greedy a$$holes who are responsible for all the suffering in the world. And the ones who never do anything about it are just as evil.

  91. samantha:

    No, they arent. What you are asking from the American people is eternal sacrifice of blood and treasure. We dont owe the world anything except to be polite and only use force if necessary for the protection of our own citizens and country. Or if our security interests are at stake which might threaten our sovereignty. Such as Hitler in WWII, Putin is not a threat to this country at this point in time.

    “The freedom of the citizens of other countries—e.g., the freedom of Ukrainians—is a value to us, but their freedom is not a requirement of our remaining free. ”

    H. Binswanger

    Maybe you have friends and family in Ukraine, I am sorry but I dont and this isnt worth my son or daughter’s life.

    The people you despise are the ones promoting this war. Soros, Kerry, McCain, etc.

    You can call me evil all you want but I think you are wrong. If you have children, feel free to pack them off to Ukraine to fight the Russians, it is still a free country. Or better yet feel free to go yourself. The AK47 is an excellent weapon and Molotov Cocktails pack a pretty good punch.

  92. Bron, unfortunately the “freedom” those in charge of the Ukraine want now is the freedom to slaughter Russians and drive them out. Sorry, but I will not stand in the way of or object to Putin doing the right thing and preventing that from happening. Too bad those in favor of checking the so called Russian invasion are silent and will stand by as those people are slaughtered as they did to the Serbs in Kosovo. It is absurd to try and pose as defenders of “freedom” when they support such things. Then when such folks are called on their double standard they will say but we object to that as well when they did nothing to prevent or even object to such doings. Spare the rest of us your sanctimonious tears.

  93. I see that Samantha only is in favor of the freedom for the Ukrainians SHE supports, and would happily kill off the Ukrainians who are not anti-Russian or Russian. Sorry, but I recall that a Ukrainian was head of the entire Soviet Union, Krushchev. and gave the Crimea to the Ukraine. The Soviet system was repressive, but it was that to ALL citizens, and they did not particularly care about the nationality. Stalin was from Georgia and spoke with a very heavy Georgian accent to his Russian. Hell, Georgia still had a statue and a museum dedicated to him while they were urging the US and NATO to fight for them against the Russians as they were blowing away Russian civilians in Osettia. At least the Georgians got rid of the US sponsored fool who started all that nonsense. I know that you and McCain were sorry to see him go as he lost the election and they voted against joining NATO.

  94. What the hell are you guys talking about? You all read a lot into things someone writes. You’d be better off just ignoring comments, which is what I intend to do for your hot flashes.

  95. RAndy:

    Have you considered the notion that the reason NATO expanded was because those former Soviet Bloc Countries (namely: Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, and Croatia) actually CHOSE to join under their own volition?

    Also, if the best you can offer about the Soviet Union was “The Soviet system was repressive, but it was that to ALL citizens” no wonder these nations went to the West instead of Russia.

    Can the US do anything right in your mind?

    Also you claim the US had no business in its hedgemony but then claim the Russians are justified in invading a nation due to a change in the leadership at the behest of the public only two days after this change. So people under former Soviet influence have no right to change that situation. Have you considered how well that worked out for the Czechs in 1968? Do you still think the Czechs were unjustified in throwing out the Soviets’ puppet government. Well since you say you know how things are in Soviet bloc countries on account of being in the Ukraine in the 80’s I can tell you from my travels to the Former East Germany, and the Czech republic you are hard pressed to find a great number of people in those nations that want to return to the old days of the Soviet Bloc. Those people did not have liberty then but they do now. Or was it better to be repressed equally. I can bet you they don’t.

    And, Randy, where have you seen any attacks by the new Ukraine government against any ethnic or demographic residing in the Ukraine? I suppose you will then go on to say these benevolent invaders in the Crimea have prevented a Rwanda style cleansing but did you know there are other Russian ethnic groups in the rest of the Ukraine. Nobody has attacked them.

    Your assertion the Russian government was justified in an invasion on the auspices of protecting the Russian speaking in Crimea is akin to Lithuanians invading Estonia for the same purposes or the Dutch invading Belgium to protect the Flemish community because of objection to the changes in goverment there.

    Your assertions that the Soviet government being one of respecting the right of citizens (that is that they were repressed equally) because of Joseph Stalin’s birthplace. Remeber how Stalin’s regime was both directly and indirectly responsible for the murder of about 36 million souls? After all that you think it was the US strong arming those former Soviet bloc nations to join NATO? After all that history with the Russians why would any of them want to side with them again? The history is why so many of them wanted to join the West and to hopefully forstall another invasion by the Russians, just as we are now seeing in Crimea.

    So go on with your beliefs and proffered expertise on the what the people of Ukraine want or how sinister their new goverment’s intentions are and how nefarious the United States is. You’re not going to convince me to subscribe to most of what you believe here and you can fault me for being an unwavering zealot who blindly supports the United States’ evil actions. The best thing that happened to those former Soviet Bloc nations was the collapse of the Soviet Union. They now have liberty and the ability to chose their own destiny and government, something they will never fullly have if dominated by Russia again.

    You are free to offer your side as I am mine. We’ll leave it up to the readers to chose who they agree with.

  96. I vote Darren. And this is a pretty forceful comment by him. I think he’s a little pissed. Well, that’s good. Randy does have a healthy dose of self loathing of the US. Putin is ruthless and dangerous.

  97. I vote Darren. And this is a pretty forceful comment by him. I think he’s a little pissed. Well, that’s good. Randy does have a healthy dose of self loathing of the US. Putin is ruthless and dangerous. The US is not always wrong.

  98. Naturally, Darron has my thumb-up. I swear, the Neville Chamberlains in this country are going to be our undoing. This does not mean I favor war. It means I favor strong self defense.

  99. Can the US do anything right in your mind?

    Also you claim the US had no business in its hedgemony but then claim the Russians are justified in invading a nation due to a change in the leadership at the behest of the public only two days after this change

    Darren you know that I have said on many occasions some things the US has done right, such as the First Gulf War. The public in the Ukraine had as much to do with the coup as the Iranians had to do with overthrowing Mossadegh. This was NOT the will of the public at all. It is too bad you have nothing but contempt for elections if you hold to that position.

    As for your other statements they are absurd since I was ALL for Prague Spring, and I suggest you read Gorbachovs book on his reaction to that Brezhnev doctrine which was shared by Nixon and the US by the way. The US wanted Dubcek gone as much as the Soviets did. I even talked to a fellow GI when I went back to college who was in ASA and was accredited to the Warsaw Pact as a NATO observer to check on their troop dispositions. The US knew about the invasion before Dubcek did. I also read Dubcek’s biography which I think you should also read. I also was in Czechoslovakia in 1984 and drove around for a month in eastern Europe,except for East Germany.I just visited East Berlin at the time.

    As for your assertion that the countries of Eastern Europe HAD to join NATO that is simply not true. They could simply do as Austria does and have nothing to do with NATO. You have to remember that Austria was under Soviet rule for a long time after WWII too. In fact a friend of mine wife was born and raised under Soviet rule in her part of Austria. Austria is not in danger of being swallowed up by the Russian bogeyman. I am sorry but I do not have the clairvoyant ability you seem to have to determine the will of the people sans elections, but who needs them anyway since you can KNOW their will without them. I was quite happy the Soviet regime was gone, but it did not become better, nor did the lives of those people get better in all respects. Also remember Finland which was under Soviet influence, but was a free country after they got rid of the Mannerheim dictatorship. They have existed quite nicely without joining NATO even during the Soviet era. So you posit a false choice to join either NATO or Russia.

    I suggest also you look at the political situation in Hungary now, with an outright fascist regime there. They are now back to their old tricks of going after the few remaining Jews, and another friend of mines brother is married to a Hungarian woman who reflects that kind of political view which unfortunately is ascendant now. When the Soviet Union disintegrated, the Baltic states declared all citizens who lived there who were not ethnically pure were NOT citizens and had NO rights. I guess you also supported that too. All the EU would do is issue a slight condemnation, and let it go at that. Now if Belgium decided to ethnically cleanse itself of all Walloons, or Flems, I am certain that there would be a military confrontation. Remember the Turks invading Cyprus? I also said in a previous post that I supported THAT as well and felt the Turks were fully justified in doing that. By the way, NATO did nothing about that one too. So what use is it other than to act as a US proxy in Europe? The Turks are still there by the way.

    I would have more respect for your ideas IF you had some idea of history and FACTS instead of spouting the propaganda line of the US. of course you do not need votes or anything like that since you can tell the will of the people without them. I don’t know why nick bothers to vote since you know already what the outcome will be. By the way, forceful like might does not always make right.

  100. I swear, the Neville Chamberlains in this country are going to be our undoing.This does not mean I favor war.

    That makes no sense at all for a number of reasons. One is that Putin is not Hitler, and did not write a book and lead a movement of German aggression and nationalism. You may have heard of Mein Kampf which laid out Hitler’s policy. It was not just Chamberlain who was responsible for appeasement either. I remember the whole rational for US involvement in Vietnam was that we cannot appease “aggression” while the REAL aggressor was the US and Vietnam had an even better case that they had to fight for their independence against US aggression. So to say you are against war, only for self- defense is an oxymoron. The only way to ensure self defense IS WAR, and even Hitler used self defense as his excuse to invade Poland. I also get a laugh out of Poles who decry the Soviets entering the war on the side of Hitler and retaking land that the Poles stole from the Soviet Union in 1920 when Poland and the military dictatorship attacked the Soviet Union without warning or reason. They thought though that when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia that their alliance with Hitler was OK as they also attacked the remaining part of Czechoslovakia and stole a good chunk of that poor country for themselves. But when Hitler turned on Poland and did the same to them, NOW THAT WAS WRONG!

    The real start of WWII was when Italy invaded Ethiopia which was a full member nation of the League of Nations. Britain, France, and all the other powers simply threw out the whole point of the League when they showed cowardice against even sanctions against Italy, much less send armies to stop it. Hitler observed their reaction, and a few months later invaded the Rhineland which was supposed to be demilitarized. The French and British did nothing. In fact, Hitler had given orders that his forces should RETREAT if they saw so much as a cop to oppose those forces. Churchill was a racist who hated black Africans, but he was appalled at the actions of the British government since he felt they HAD to act militarily against Italy to live up to the Leagues Charter.

    I think you need to read a LOT more history of Europe, learn more about current events, and most importantly THINK! Don’t just swallow the government line and rational for irrational acts that do not comport with reality. Just how you can say that Russia invading the Ukraine will harm US security needs some rational basis, and you have provided NONE, other than to use clichés which make little sense.

  101. Switch to present. I don’t think Putin has long range military action in mind. Stabilization will suit him better than trying to finance an invasion. He knows he can’t settle into another war right now anymore than we can. But I know he will not give up that base. He may be a brute, but he is smart. He may be able to keep the shooting from starting now, but time is not on his side. People will lash out, or another covert operation will start. He needs to get the table going and get that wrapped up and out. If he wants his place on the world stage, he can’t kill off the struggling Russian economy. If that retired CIA cold war analyst McGovern guy from the Democracy Now site was right, and the National Endowment for Democracy is now in charge of regime change, and claims they have $100 million and 63 more jobs to do–it looks like we may have a lot more to talk about coming up. Lots going on in Africa already.

  102. Eastern Hemisphere Nicaragua Redux. Not any nicer in Ukraine than it was there. It ain’t right, but that’s the way the world works. I listened to people on both sides of that conflict, both of whom were sure they were right. All that was apparent to me was that it was a tragedy. Over here, we smash ’em. Over there, they smash ’em. At least there’s no big shooting yet, and will hope it doesn’t look like Northern Ireland by the weekend.

  103. slohrss, I read McGoverns article, and I KNOW that he is better informed than myself, and FAR better informed than the hawks who swallow the BS from the State Dept. I am rather disturbed that some folks here have such contempt for free elections. and are willing to toss them to support coups if it serves their political ends. I was also in Nicaragua during the period of the US assault on that freely elected government and I was astounded at how much freedom the opposition had in the middle of a war. If that had been the US, the opposition would have found themselves in prison or dead under similar circumstances. Then they had free elections again, and the Sandinistas lost. The only thing keeping Chammoro in power was the Sandinista army, since her allies would have overthrown her in a minute. Which is why she kept that Army with its officers intact.

  104. slohrss, There is a BIG difference between what the US did in Nicaragua, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, the Dominican Republic, Uraguay, Venezuela, Guatemala,, Cuba, Haiti, Honduras, Colombia, Equador, Bolivia and what Putin is doing. The US fought AGAINST free elections and the legitimate government in all those places. I don’t think Putin went far enough since I think he would be justified in restoring the freely elected government in the Ukraine. Of course, Putin is not in this to uphold freedom and democracy, so I think he will just protect the Russian assets, and let the dictatorship of the right go on with their purge of their opponents. I find it funny the concept of “freedom” many of the folks here have. It is freedom, ONLY if their buddies are in power. If they are not, it is not a free country, since they are prevented from looting the place.

  105. Breaking News: Ukraine maybe split into 2 countries. FoxNews reporting a referundum is on the table for the split to occur!

  106. But the Ukraine is one country and NATO and the US will NOT stand for free elections to decide this! At least not according to our Cold Warriors here.

  107. But the Ukraine is ONE country and the US and NATO will not stand for free elections to decide that question! At least not in the eyes of our Cold Warriors here.

  108. Randy, I agree with you on central-south America on the details. My point was the very sad situation for all the people involved on both sides. I still have to hope that if Putin wants to build a big central asian trading block, it would be much easier and more effective if he didn’t mow down the first problem in front of him. That would surely make me want to reach out immediately to the EU. I think he has been pretty honorable about a whole ugly situation. I think he is trying to handle it in a Bismarck fashion. I just don’t see where giving Ukraine the steam-rolling Czechoslovakia-Hungary treatment serves his future ambitions very well. As you know, this directly affects future deals with other countries, including China, which he will have to address for security concerns sooner or later.

  109. I did see Ron Paul talking about the possibility of having 2 countries. Made sense. What will be interesting is if Putin can do it. Is he a meglomaniac who wants the whole pie or is he going to settle with protecting his interests in the Crimea. AND… will the Ukrainians want to have 2 countries. I think they need to get the plan out soon before new shooting starts. It’s coming. Someone (like a young Serb pre WWI) can ruin the whole thing.

  110. The other troubling thing is that this has such a WWI vibe about the whole thing. If things go down the tubes, shots fired, Putin protects Russians, EU-US support Serbs… China gets support from an ally in China for the Senkakus (sp…), Israel takes the opportunity to hit Iranian facilities… We strike Syria…. . I do remember from my studies the powers that be at the dawn the great war felt that disagreement wouldn’t last longer than 90 days. I’m sure they had no idea the enormity of their collective miscalculations.

  111. There is a very good article in the New Republic about the situation in the Ukraine. She makes one slight error in that she says Trotsky supported suppressing Lenin’s report on the nationalities question. Trotsky and Lenin had concluded to make common cause against Stalin and his supporters, so her saying Trotsky was for suppressing that report is not quite right.

    In fact, after Lenin died, the right wing of the Bolsheviks teamed up with Stalin to suppress his last testament which recommended getting rid of Stalin from his post as General Sec. of the CP. THAT was suppressed. Lenin had heard rumors of how Stalin was conducting affairs in his ministry, and sent his wife to find out the facts from Stalin’s office. Stalin simply refused to allow her in to investigate and threw her out! That did not sit well with Lenin at all, and had he not had another stroke and died, the Soviet Union would have been a FAR different place than it became. Or as Churchill put it, The Russians second worst misfortune was Lenin’s birth. Their worst misfortune was his death.

  112. Very interesting. I am curious and will check that out.
    Also, so far I have been glad to see Kerry and Nuland didn’t give the puppet pres there the idea that he would be supported if he decided to fire on Russian troops. It would have been ugly quickly. Bay of Pigs ugly. Doesn’t help there are still so many talking heads who want to start shooting.

  113. But unfortunately we have lots of such Cold Warriors here who hate the idea of free elections if their boys lose. It seems that anything that is anti-Russian is good enough for them. Of course, they have nothing to say when Turkey invaded Cyprus and advocated no action against them. HELL they did not even kick them out of NATO. The double standard and ignorance is astounding. Or as Darren so eloquently put it, to paraphrase, I don’t care what facts are, I BELIEVE.

  114. Professor Turley, you appear to be a hypocrite when you focus on the other side of the globe and don’t recognize the “Reconquista” here. Mexico has illegally invaded and reconquered the American Southwest. California is a one party foreign dictatorship. You are hypocritical when you notice the “heinous” actions of Putin while missing the usurpation of legislative power by the executive branch in arbitrarily modifying legislation which is exclusively, and by definition, the purview of the legislative branch.

    You ignore the Preamble as an “introduction” when it is the very American context – not the “intent” of the Founders but the very words and actions of the Founders. In this instance, the Founders told us that they PROVIDED FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, not offense. Is it possible to defend America while sending the military 10,000 miles around the globe? With all due respect, you ignore the invasion of this country and concern yourself with Russia which the Crimeans want to be part of.

    Similarly, you profess law and ignore the unconstitutional usurpation of legislative power by the executive branch. Here is some “law” for you. Impeach and convict the tyrannical chief executive for multiple high crimes and misdemeanors and defend the national borders. At what point is tyrannical usurpation actionable?

    After that, go on retreat and read the Preamble. Did the Founders write it to be ignored? If they wrote it to be heeded, it prevails. See if you don’t come to understand that the Founders set the parameters within which the Constitution provides for governance. Read it well, see if the Founders did not limit government to security and infrastructure while facilitating the “blessings of liberty” (i.e. our endeavors, businesses and industries) to ourselves and our posterity so that we may “pursue happiness” in free and open markets in the private sector, including what should be the private education, charity and healthcare industries. In the late 18th century, general welfare meant infrastructure, not a cash payment. Unless the Founders had not a firm grasp of the English language, they deliberately excluded individual welfare assuming self-reliance was attendant to freedom.

  115. “Similarly, you profess law and ignore the unconstitutional usurpation of legislative power by the executive branch.”

    Has John been living under a rock the last couple of months?

  116. samantha:

    interesting story and believable but it is for them to take care of it. We should offer moral support and condemn his actions and recall diplomats and other things short of sending troops. It isnt our fight.

    She is right about Putin being afraid, I said as much above. He is worried about swinging head down from a light pole.

  117. I am once again astounded at how many people think that a violent overthrow of a freely elected President is a GOOD thing. I would like some folks who support this coup to explain why it is good. The only way I know of to determine the will of the people is through elections, unless of course one is clairvoyant or thinks one is. It would make Orwell turn in his grave to see this idiocy of praising a coup be seen as the “will of the people” and to denounce the Russians for seeking to allow the people of the Crimea to have an election to decide their fate. The US had NO such problem in splitting Kosovo from the traditional homeland of Serbia. So why is the US aggression against Serbia good, and Russia BAD for doing the SAME thing the US did? It becomes surreal when the US supports the illegal coup, and then denounces Russia for violating international law.

    I wish that we had a free press to ask Obama the question Why is it good for the US to support the coup that overthrew the elected President and voided an election? Of course such a question will never be asked since we no longer have any real journalists, only propagandists.

  118. This guy has the most realistic view of Ukraine of anyone I’ve read in the West, in spite of the fact that he misses the mark about ethnic immigrants who lost it all, including their lives, in the early and mid 20th Century. For anyone who values a deeper perspective of Ukraine and the FSU, this is an excellent read.

    How the Ukraine crisis ends
    By Henry A. Kissinger
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

  119. Al Jazeera journalists have a far better grip on the dynamics in Ukraine than any of the posers in the US media, White House, too. An impressive, in depth study of post Cold War reality, required reading for anyone who values accuracy when commenting.

    Ukraine: Goodbye Cold War, hello globalised economy
    Al Jazeera English
    Remi Piet
    http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20143645051692739

  120. Annieofwi, thank you. We are all aware, and nothing is done. Been here done this. When are there consequences? The Preamble is ignored. The Constitution is ignored. Professor Turley’s protestations are ignored. The Judicial Branch is a political party not an objective arbiter. The Executive is on a juggernaut. The Legislative is an enabler. America is a free-for-all.

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