Communications Management Units and Prisoners Rights


Respectfully submitted by Lawrence E. Rafferty-(rafflaw)- Weekend Contributor

If you were like me, you may never have heard the term “Communications Management Units” before.  They are basically a section of a prison where certain prisoners are housed with limited or no access to communications or family visitations.  The reason very little was known about the CMU’s is that when they first were initiated at prisons in Indiana and Illinois, their existence was kept from the public.

“The units opened almost in secret in 2006 and 2008. Critics say they flouted federal law by not publishing the proposed rule and opening up a period for public comment.” Readers Supported News  If a lawsuit filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights had not been filed in 2010, we may never have known much about these abusive tactics in our domestic prison system.  Maybe the harshest aspect of being sent to the CMU was the realization that you may never know why you were sent there or how you could get out of it.

Just what kind of treatment do prisoners in these CMU’s deal with?  “Prisoners get two 15-minute phone calls a week. When their family and friends travel for their two 4-hour visits a month, they are not allowed to touch each other. No hugs. No arms around shoulders. Just a phone call on two sides of a thick plastic window. The conversation is monitored by guards, who could stop it at any moment if inmates speak in a language other than English, use hand signals, or break another one of the many visiting rules.

“It is soul-crushing,” said Daniel McGowan, who spent nearly four years in the two CMU units. When McGowan served his time in 2007 for his role in two arsons with the Earth Liberation Front, inmates were only allowed one 15-minute call a week and four hours of visiting a month. “You feel very removed from things, even the society of the prison. Things like playing softball, doing something productive, all of that is impossible in the CMU.”

Documents released by the Center for Constitutional Rights this week shed new light on how inmates who have often broken no rules are arbitrarily transferred to the cells, known as “Communication Management Units”, sometimes for years at a time. Prisoners are given incomplete or inaccurate information as to why they’ve been moved, CCR found, and have almost no way to substantively protest their placement. ” Readers Supported News

At first glance, some may consider that treatment normal for a prisoner at a maximum security prison.  However, all prisoners are supposed to have rights to know why they are being taken out of the general population.  The residents of these CMU’s were not given accurate reasons why they ended up in a CMU and it seems that the Bureau of Prisons has still not written clear guidelines that can be enforced on a system wide basis.

“But depositions and internal prison memos show that officials used widely differing criteria for who should be sent there. One prison official testified that it was “very vague,” but that she thought “significant leadership abilities, high education and technical background and blatant disregard for government” were all qualities that might warrant limiting an inmate’s communications.

McGowan, who was given a terrorism enhancement, had served roughly 9 months of his sentence at a low-security prison in Minnesota when he was transferred to the CMU in Marion, Illinois.

“You have been identified as a member and a leader in the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front, groups considered domestic terrorist organizations,” read the single-page notice he received five days into his time at Marion. “Your contact with persons in the community requires heightened control and review.” Readers Supported News

In the early 1970’s, I had the opportunity to “visit” Marion Federal Prison in Marion, Illinois.  At that time it was a maximum security facility that housed many inmates formerly held at Alcatraz. When I was there the inmate population had many restrictions, but if they followed the rules they were allowed to contact the public and have regular visitations.  It was a scary place and I can’t imagine how those men would have reacted if the CMU’s were in place then. Since 2010, Marion Federal Prison has been designated as a medium security prison.

As a country that is supposed to be based on the rule of law, shouldn’t everyone be upset when prisoners rights are curtailed and they are not offered any meaningful process to appeal any denigration of those rights?  The lawsuit filed by the Center for Constitutional Rights in 2010 has uncovered some interesting information on the lack of uniformity and lack of legitimate reasons for a prisoner being assigned to a CPU.

“But the documents revealed today show that the BOP did not draft criteria for designating prisoners to the facilities until 2009 and that, even then, different offices within the BOP, each of which plays a role in the designation process, have a different understanding of the criteria. Other documents reveal that the reasons provided to CMU prisoners for their designation were incomplete, inaccurate, and sometimes even false. Discovery in the case also shows that prisoners were told they could earn their way out of the CMU by completing 18 months with clear conduct, but upon meeting that goal, their requests for transfer out of the CMU were repeatedly denied without explanation.  Other documents show political speech was used as a factor in CMU designation. The documents made public today also show that 60 percent of CMU prisoners are Muslim, though Muslims comprise only six percent of the federal prisoner population.

‘ “The documents revealed today show that CMU prisoners have been denied due process at every step, from designation to review,” said CCR Senior Staff Attorney Alexis Agathocleous. “The CMUs impose harsh restrictions on prisoners, including a ban on even momentarily hugging their families. Meanwhile, the BOP has denied hundreds of prisoners, who are mostly Muslim, the opportunity to understand or rebut the rationale for their placement, or a meaningful review process to earn their way out, …” ‘  Center for Constitutional Rights

The rule of law and the need for due process seem to have escaped the purview of the Bureau of Prisons.  Without the knowledge of why these prisoners were kept in these restrictive units, they had no chance of challenging the designation or “earning” a way back to the general population.  Since these CMU’s were created in 2006 and 2008, is their conceptual beginnings based on the Gitmo idea of incarceration?

If the Bureau of Prisons can keep anyone locked away from family and the public without having to go through any due process, any prisoner for good or bad reasons could be shut out from the usual helpful connection to family and friends in the outside world.  “Several studies suggest that regular visits from family members significantly decrease the risk of recidivism among inmates. McGowan, who was released to a halfway house in 2012 and now lives with his wife in Brooklyn, said the isolation of the CMUs made the transition home particularly hard. “I had a hard time with my family, getting along with people, and feeling dissociated, feeling like no one understands what I feel right now,” he said.”  Readers Supported News

I am glad that the Center for Constitutional Rights filed their lawsuit and that it may just bring some relief and some due process to the prisoners now being held in CMU’s and some solace to those who were unjustly held in a CMU during the time of their incarceration.  We are all entitled to due process and without it, a government could incarcerate anyone for just about any reason.  What would these prisoners have done without a group of defense attorneys standing up for the prisoners rights?  What do you think?

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59 thoughts on “Communications Management Units and Prisoners Rights

  1. I know a guy who works @ Terre Haute and discussed this w/ him several times. There are only CMU units @ Marion and Terre Haute, according to him. These units are for terrorists. He says the vast majority are Muslim terrorists who would be @ Gitmo if not there. Regarding the “victim” portrayed in this piece, one needs to understand ELF. It is classified by the govt. as a left wing terrorist organization. My wife did a presentence on one of these shitbirds. A spoiled rotten rich kid, and he was indeed a hateful terrorist. How do you stay out of these CMU’s, DON’T BE A TERRORIST. There’s no crying in Supermax.

  2. Nick,
    As a correction, Marion Federal prison, as noted in the article is not a Supermax. It has been a medium security prison since 2010. And just because it is a Supermax, rights are not left at the door as you enter.
    Also, for clarification, their is nothing in the Constitution that suggests that Muslim prisoners get less rights than non-Muslims. Thirdly, one of the issues in the lawsuit is the fact that many of the CMU prisoners were Muslim, but they had not broken any rules and were not given a valid reason for being placed in the CMU.
    By the way, your comment was in the spam folder.

  3. A soldier is not compelled to follow an order if it is an illegal order. In the same way, prison employees should not follow orders that deny constitutional rights to prisoners. If judges cannot violate our rights, then prison employees should not be able to, likewise. Probably most prison employees are fully aware that these brutal programs are illegal, but they are afraid to speak out. They all need to be reminded that they are protected by whistleblower laws. All it takes is for one employee to come forth, and these brutal programs will end, together with the prison administration careers, too.

    Didn’t Frontline have a documentary on solitary confinement, just recently?

  4. raff, I was in no way saying, nor was I thinking or feeling, that Muslin inmates should get less rights. I take some offense to that assertion. I was merely giving the demographics. As you know, I worked @ Leavenworth. In many comments here I have passionately advocated for the humane treatment of inmates. I walked that walk, sir. That’s why I take offense to your assumption. The record indicates that. The focus in this piece is on an ELF terrorist. That is an effort to give a warm and fuzzy spin. After all, they just are saving the environment. But, the reality is arson and murder. They are not freedom fighters, they are terrorists. The Federal Bureau of Prisons are the gold standard for the world. Nations like Norway, Sweden, you know the “good” countries, visit and study them to emulate. The BOP recruit educated, fair, people. Terrorism has presented them w/ a VERY difficult problem as it has for our law enforcement, military, State Dept., etc. This guy I know is someone I’ve known for decades. I worked w/ him. He is a VERY good man. He says these are righteous.

  5. What bothers me the most is the apparent disregard for the law with zero consequences to any prison official. This seems to be a recurring theme in our society where the powerful, either through wealth or occupation, do whatever they damn well please without fear of any repercussions.

  6. Samantha, I saw a doc on disciplinary segregation recently. I don’t know if it was Frontline, but it was on state prisons, not Fed. Make no mistake, it is tough in those units. But, you don’t get in there for a minor infraction. That said, some state prisons are horseshit.

  7. Perhaps the Saddest thing here is that people don’t see anything wrong with this kind of abusive, unconstitutional treatment of prisoners because they think these are bad guys anyway so who cares. It used to be thought and I believe it is true that you can make your enemy understand that you are not his enemy by treating him like a human being and giving him more rights and care than he ever imagined a monster, like you are supposed to be, would. Unfortunately, rather than do that we seem to have decided that we are going to show those Muslims and others that we are exactly the monsters they were taught we are. What a twisted state of affairs and all done in secret by our own government, not by an occupying force under the cover of 9/11. Our leaders have truly given the terrorists everything they could have hoped for and everything they could NOT have done themselves. Our leaders have twisted our country into the everything we have always been taught we were against secret trials, secret prisons, torture…..

    I thought we were better than that and many of our friends in other countries did too. They are confused and disappointed about what has happened to us. They think America is a great country but what is going on there.

    Our leaders also seem intent on keeping us in constant fear and in the dark. The penalties for disclosure of the illegal activities of government agencies have become common place and accepted and expanded by even a president who is allegedly a Constitutional law professor. Bankers who crash the economy get a pass, medals and billions of dollars while whistleblowers who disclose to the American people spying beyond our wildest imagination, torture seen only in our worst nightmare are jailed or have to flee the country. Twisted and wounded. We are truly living in the worst of times.

  8. What would these prisoners have done without a group of defense attorneys standing up for the prisoners rights? What do you think?” – rafflaw

    Suffer the dark machinations of torture lovers who think they have democratic, American, constitutional values –when they decidedly do not.

    Some of them should put in for a transfer to a country that matches their ideology.

    I suggest somewhere in the gulag.

  9. After being an abusive torture loving freak prison guard, one can always work for the propaganda unit of the military NSA and spy on all Americans.

    It goes with the territory of nuts.

  10. Justice Holmes,

    Well stated.

    It is almost as if we have lost the War on Terror, our enemy has won. This conceptual war with no clear enemy demarcation has resulted in all the issues you presented so well—issues that I never thought would be attributed to our Nation.

    I had hoped that Obama would address some of these unlawful practices by holding those responsible accountable for their actions. I misjudged Obama’s sense of purpose and dedication to the rule of law which is an error of judgment on my part.

  11. Rafflaw:

    Found myself nodding when I read your column; government abuse is wrong.

    Then I read one of your comments about Cliven Bundy:

    ” The BLM should be enforcing the law and putting scofflaw deadbeats like Cliven Bundy in jail along with any armed militants who get in the way of a legal process.”

    You seem to support a militarized police unit employing potentially lethal force over grazing fees; a disproportionate response against a right wing fanatic.

    In this column you advocate justice for a left wing eco terrorist;

    It seems that your tolerance for government abuses depends on the political views of the victim: leftist – bad government; rightist – good government.

  12. Steven, Great point! I’ve been making that same point on the Bundy thread from yesterday. Come on over but I feel compelled to warn you, there are real nasty folks commenting, so I understand if you abstain.

  13. These were essentially the same conditions that I was forced to visit with my own daughter. The difference was that it was not through a plastic window and we were allowed to sit next to each other.
    Other than that, all the other rules were in effect, guards watching and hearing everything we said, with the ability to stop us if they didn’t like it or thought we were communicating in some hidden way.
    Note, I have never been found guilty of any maltreatment of my daughter, but this is what they do to you if they just ‘accuse’ you of something.

  14. Rafflaw: I wonder what they would do to the Church Of the New Song (CONS)at Marion or Menard these days? Heard of that ’70s group?

  15. I had not spoken w/ my friend @ Terre Haute so I gave him a call and asked him to read this thread. He chuckled and said, “Tell them the next biggest demographic in these units are Aryan, Nazi types. There is only one or 2 ELF or ALF, the rest are all right wingers.” So, are you going all to cry when that right wing shitbird who shot up a Jewish Community Center in Kansas going to go and march when his hateful, murderous ass is in this unit. No, I didn’t think so.

  16. We must all admit that our justice system is broken, that no two people are the same and codes, rules and regulations are not fair and just across our great nation. We must be aware that public employees, judges and politician’s are only human beings and must be corrected when they make a mistake. It is up to the people to make these corrections. Some of these private owned “transfer Prisons” do not supply the basic needs (not wants) of the inmates. Many inmates have said that the prisons need to be state run. Inmates are in prison over false testimony, that should have been a civil matter if anyone bothered to investigate. There have been a lot of accusers that said they lied and made up the story or was threatened by a prosecutor but the courts still do not investigate or hold accountable anyone responsible and the accused stays in prison. Between the revenue from the BONDS and the PROBATION penalty, the justice system refuses to do right by the people. Interesting reading Karen Hudes formally of the world bank, look it up.

    Between the courts, CAPTA, CPS, welfare and other intrusive agencies the family and future families are ruined. Common sense is pushed aside for the revenue.

    PS My opinion only !

  17. LC, Good comment. I agree w/ just about everything you’ve said. But, as I’ve said previously, radicals who are willing to die in order to kill are a unique problem w/ not easy or cookie cutter answers.

  18. Cruel and unusual punishment? Wouldn’t that be drawing and quartering, which the British allegedly did for treason and related transgressions. Ever heard of “Papillion” or Austrailia? Self-supporting prison colonies. There’s your answer.

    Put ’em behind the walls and let ’em take care of themselves without access to the “deep pockets” of the taxpayers. No $50K per prisoner, no $200K a year “guards” and no welfare, food stamps, day care assistance, utility subsidies, transportation compensation, etc., etc. for the families.

    Did Mr. Universe come along after banging bigly with a bag of axioms that said everything, everywhere, every time for everybody is perfect – and the prime axiom: there will be no suffering ever, anywhere? How the heck did mankind make it this far, if not by suffering to a greater or lesser degree? Orders of magnitude of empathy and sympathy did not factor into survival of the fittest, did they? The symbiotic relationship between defense attorney and felon has achieved a bizarre state.

  19. I understand the reasons for the CMUs though, but I don’t know what the extent of those who shouldn’t be in one are. But here are my thoughts.

    I don’t agree with the notion, in general, that prison inmates as a whole, should be allowed contact visitations. In low security ones maybe but having touch contact during visitations is almost like an open invitation to introduce contraband or weapons into the population. But that is the least focus of this article.

    The average con in prison is not going to be one needing a stay in a CMU. The majority of prisoners, as Larry writes, benefit in terms of personal growth, less management, and lower recidivism as a result of having visitation and communication with the outside world. The cost/benefit shows this is worthwhile.

    The largest reason I would opin to why the CMUs are utilized is because the communication with certain individual inmates with others presents a significantly higher risk than others do. Here are a few categories:

    Inmates having organized crime ties

    It is historically well known that leaders or mid level organized crime figures continue to operate their criminal enterprise within prisons. Some have been known to have ordered or approved of murders as a result of these communications. One of prosecutorial goals of the anti-racketeering laws is to incarcerate the leadership of criminal enterprises in order to disrupt or hopefully fracture the enterprise. Allowing leadership to continue defacto operations of the criminal organization perpetuates the criminal enterprise and in fact can allow a stop gap to permit the leadership to return to power upon release.

    Inmates leading prison gangs

    There are several large scale prison gangs in the US system that branch between federal and local agencies. One in particular is the Aryan Brotherhood which comprises mostly white aryan supremacists but does have some membership by latinos. It is reputedly one of the most violent prison gangs. In fact according the the FBI the gang makes up one tenth of one percent of the population but is responsible for 20% of the murders in the federal system. The gangs are heirarchial in nature and have had a structure in which a few individuals have control over many others spread about various institutions. An essential element of how these gangs function is through communication. Furthermore, to generate revenue for itself to futher its goals, the gang has branched out of the prison population into the outside world and has continued to maintain drug trafficking, extortion, and other felonies.

    The feds attempted to disrupt the leadership of the gang in the mid 2000s by going after its most senior leadership. It succeeded in, among others, convictions against the two senior leaders and they were sent to ADX Florence (supermax) which is an even more extreme version of a CMU.

    Communication is essential to the AB exerting its influence. One of the reasons Larry’s article mentions the curtailing of the use of foreign languages, hand gestures etc is because the AB and others have used ciphers and gestures to communicate illicit activities. The AB formed their own code system that they used in mail (postal mail) between operatives with the goal of it not being intercepted by the Bureau of Prisons. The messages encoded this way were not ones for ordinary conversation between family members, they were utilized to extend their criminal activities. The BoP cracked one of the codes for a while but the resources that were dedicated to this were many. The courts have ruled that prisons have the authority to monitor inmate communications (save for a few exceptions such as attorney / client)

    Prohibiting coded or foreign language communications allows the prison the ability, in those higher risk inmates, to allow them legimate communications while disrupting criminal communications as best as possible. The short amounts of time as stated in Larry’s article might be due to resource constraints. It is something that should be discussed on how to allocate resources that might afford more legitimate and beneficial communications for these inmates.

    Foreign or Domestic Terrorist Operatives / and lesser versions

    There is a fundamental difference between a person who burns down a building to collect an insurance premium and one that burns one down in the furtherance of a political cause. The latter is far more dangerous than is the former.

    For reasons similar to what was described earlier, the risk is that the inmate will continue to further their criminal attacks while incarcerated. This can take two forms.

    Direct leadership: This is where the inmate actively directs, or operates further acts of disruption or crimes to via communication with supporters or proxies. In this case the inmate is almost effectvely free in that they believe incarceration is a necessary part of continuing their campaigns.

    Indirect, symbolism: If a leader or champion of a terroristic or disruptive organization remains active in inspiring others, just having communication or visibility can be enough to keep the campaign alive. In this case the inmate does not have to directly lead illegal activities but can instead show afirmation of activities that are carried out by proxies under the blessing of the inmate.


    I think it is important to have an understanding of the reasons for why CMUs exist and why it is believed to be necessary to confine some inmates into these units but what the lawsuit and Larry’s article are important to foster a conversation in to how far these CMUs go to protect the function of the prison, and the public at large while balancing the rights of the inmates.

    The CMUs have their place, but perhaps some oversite into who goes there is certainly worthwhile and a due process issue for the incarcerated.

  20. Steve, maybe you might want to review the video on the Bundy confrontation. Secondly, the law was being properly enforced in the Bundy matter. In the CMU issue, the Bureau of Prisons has not produced enforceable and understandable rules that prisoners can follow and appeal. Due process was followed in the Bundy matter, but not in the handling of the CMU units.

  21. Darren Smith’s comment demonstrates understanding of the complexity of prison management. Although our criminal justice system could use massive reform, especially in sentencing, the unbelievable ways federal inmates can break the rules, but not be found to have committed a prohibited act, are depressing (at least for me.). Can I prove what I’m saying? Not at present, because if I reveal “Sensitive But Unclassified” information I would be breaking the law.

  22. Most or nearly everyone that is considered a terrorist is someone who was an agent, or was recruited or coerced into behavior they would never have been involved with otherwise. The only terrorists in the 9/11 attacks were the dancing Israelis, young Saudi men, all of whom are still alive and free, and pf course, the people who planned and carried-out the attacks, and most of THEM are considered by the uninformed public, to be heroes like Cheney and the rest.

    How is the commenter defining the term “terrorist”?

  23. Rafflaw, You do realize inmates do not have the same Constitutional rights as us law abiding citizens don’t you?

  24. I am going with Nick on this one rafflaw. Prison law is pretty well defined. Prisoners often appeal, but rarely win.

  25. raff, I’m not sure what the due process issue is. The BOP has authority to assign inmates to prisons and units. They have many criteria but it is not subject to appeal. I see these inmates meeting whatever criteria there is for these units. Inmates are not privy to the guidelines and criteria used to designate them to certain prisons or units. You’re convicted, evaluated, and transported to the particular facility and unit. At Leavenworth, some inmates went straight to the hole and remained there. As I assume you know, the inmates lose many rights in prison, it’s prison and they forfeited them by virtue of their conduct and conviction. I again point out, if this was an Aryan making the claim I seriously doubt this article would have been written. These are the baddest of the bad. I worked the hole in Leavenworth, you have no idea, man, no idea.

  26. Read the lawsuit Nick. Medium security prisons like Marion do not have the baddest of the bad. They do not lose their right to due process.

  27. Excellent article raff,

    I am interested in this. You hit an issue that may grow in litigation the more that it’s exposed. Do these calculations include Military bases that are under the operation of the BOP? Do you know if they exercise the same standards.

    Some commenter made a statement that inmates give up there rights once convicted. With certain necessary exceptions. They still do have due process rights, substantively and procedurally. Thanks for a great article.

  28. Larry! How about an article on Special Administrative Measures for next time.

    SAMs require that anyone before they can communicate with a prisoner under SAMs sign a contract not to relay anything that the prisoner says to a third party, breach of this contract can result in a ten year sentence as in the case of Lynne Stewart.

    There are two very serious problems with SAMs, firstly if the prisoner is mistreated there is no way he/she can complain of it and secondly I can not see how they can be prevented from limiting a lawyer’s investigation on the part of his client.

    Then there is Aafia Siddiqui. Nowhere have I seen it written that she is held under special administrative measures, but the authorities have been extremely mean in allowing her contact with family members. The Aafia Siddiqui story appears to be a case where the Americans treated someone so badly that they cannot afford for the details to be verified and allowed or forced many servicemen and police to engage in a conspiracy of perjury to railroad her into prison for 86 years, an effective life sentence.

  29. Gary, the way the woman dismissed concerns about the drugs the child was taking and the diagnosis was sickening.

    Where’s Annie? She should see this.

  30. rafflaw – prisoners have sued the sheriff of our county because he would not allow them porn, they lost. Disrupting the leaderships of gangs is laudatory and a legitimate function of the prison system as far as I am concerned.

  31. Steve Fleischer: You’re reading a contradiction in one of rafflaw’s posts that isn’t there.

    He says elsewhere that militant refusenik Bundy should be jailed, an expected outcome for anyone who refuses to pay taxes. It’s true that potentially lethal force might be necessary in order to bring him to justice, since the police would be armed.

    But the police are undoubtedly armed when they arrest eco-terrorists, as well, soMr. McGowan certainly faced potentially lethal force when he was arrested.

    Any contradiction terms is too much of a stretch.

  32. Rafflaw, this is frightening stuff. I can almost see it as a model for some political prisons of the future, or is the future here already?

  33. Terrorists are not political prisoners. They are people who have been convicted of felonies. Aryan Brothers are not political prisoners. None of these people in these units are political prisoners.

  34. Paul,
    Your comparison to prisoner suing for access to porn is not germane. These prisoners do have some rights and it does not matter what there crime was, the BOP has to produce rules to allow any prisoner in these units the ability to known why they are there and how they can appeal it and what procedure is in place to change their alleged behavior to get out the unit.
    thanks for the links to the Siddiqui case.

  35. “None of these people in these units are political prisoners.”

    So says Nick.

    None? None? As it’s been said, “The only person who is absolutely certain of anything is a fool.”

  36. rafflaw – I am not sure you are right legally. You might be right morally, but legally is another matter. :)

  37. “Don’t believe me. Read the lawsuit filings linked to above.”

    That would require some effort.

    (And I say, “death” to emoticons… insipid little things.)

  38. anon, There are political prisoners in many countries. They are imprisoned w/o a trial. There are NO PRISONERS in the BOP who have not been CONVICTED OF A CRIME. NONE. ZERO.

  39. Saying it with caps, doesn’t make it true or more important, or whatever, Nick.

    No time to go ’round and ’round the mulberry bush with you on this one.

    I’ll say it again: “The only person who is absolutely certain of anything is a fool.”

  40. Anon, Please name me one inmate in Federal prison who has not been convicted of a crime or is awaiting trial on a criminal charge. The BOP have MCC’s, Federal jails for inmates w/o bail. Please just name we one “political prisoners.”

  41. Feynman:
    It is true, there was nothing I could say. This wasn’t an interview, it was an inquisition. Their job was not to investigate, it was to set me up as an unfit parent, and to do their best to ‘prove’ it.
    I have a federal civil rights lawsuit still in progress and that I am litigating right now. I am also still publishing articles and reports as to what is happening now.
    Those links can be found in the description in the youtube video.

  42. Darren, at last someone has picked up on the way to treat the lesser of the criminals, which goes back to the penal systems of earlier years where they were not locked up except when in the hospital or at night. They supported themselves on penal farms and weren’t a drain on the rest of the country. Of course the worst of the worst were placed in systems like Alcatraz or the infamous Ohio Prison. However, those who were habitual eventually wound up in the latter. The idea is to try to rehabilitate the first offenders or the ones that kept their noses clean and wanted another chance.

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