As many criticize higher education for pursuing indoctrination over education, Oregon State University (OSU) appears to be doubling down on a mandatory woke curriculum. The university is under fire for its mandatory undergraduate courses on “Difference, Power & Oppression” (DPO). Much of the rhetoric on the university’s website reads more like the platform of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) than an institution of higher education.
OSU requires all undergraduate students who enrolled after the summer of 2025 to complete two “Difference, Power & Oppression” (DPO) courses as part of its Core Education curriculum, including “Difference, Power & Oppression Foundations” and “Difference, Power & Oppression Advanced.”
This is all part of what OSU calls a “core curriculum” that teaches students to be “adaptive, proactive members” of society to “build a better world.”
The University of Chicago (my alma mater) developed a very different “core curriculum” that required students to take classes across different disciplines to gain proficiency in subjects from science to math to philosophy.
Schools like OSU have converted the mission into instilling a core ideological agenda, a mandatory agenda for shaping anti-racist social warriors.
The university explains that all students must take these courses to learn how to “disrupt” oppressive systems in the United States and around the world: “The inequitable distribution of social, economic, and political power in the United States and globally is sustained through systems of oppression, which represent a variety of discriminatory institutional beliefs and practices.”
Students are to be trained on how “beliefs and practices obscure the origins and operations of systemic oppression in daily life, such that this inequitable power distribution is assumed to be the natural order.”
The purpose is clearly to train activists to fight against the oppressive institutions and traditions in this country and abroad: “Such examinations will enhance and promote responsible, ethical, and anti-racist engagement by preparing students to understand and disrupt these systems as they manifest in their field.”
It is telling that the faculty and administration are not willing to let students choose whether to take such courses. It is not uncommon for such courses to be offered as electives, but OSU is requiring any graduate to sit through this indoctrination as a requirement for graduation. As Campus Reform noted, DPO courses have appeared at the Yale University School of Drama, the University of Virginia, and Northern Arizona University.
The school is using a public university to instill ideological values in students as a condition of their getting a degree. They are expected to “demonstrate, by using social justice theories, how historic constructions of racism and other forms of systemic oppression result in intersecting inequities – crossroads of oppression – experienced in current times (last 10 years).”
For many students, a college degree is an opportunity to demonstrate academic competence and pursue their own careers and values in society. State schools are critical in realizing a dream of a better life for many of these students.
State tuition of $38,568 a year remains the only accessible path to higher education (nonresidents are charged $65,013). However, faculty are using these students as a captive audience to their own ideological agenda.
The ultimate responsibility for this mandatory curriculum falls on President Jayathi Y. Murthy and her administration.
This controversy is also notable at a time when many faculty are objecting to state legislators seeking to limit funding or regulate the curriculum of their state schools. Faculty maintain that they should have full funding and full control over their institutions even as they create ideological echo chambers that exclude or marginalize a large percentage of students. Many citizens do not understand why they are compelled to fund universities that use these institutions for ideological indoctrination.
Oregon is obviously a heavily Democratic and liberal state. Other schools such as the University of Oregon have shown the same bias, including giving an award to an academic who criminally attacked pro-life advocates on campus. Likewise, states such as California are unlikely to push back on far-left agendas at universities. UCLA even has “activists-in-residence” to shape the political views of students.
However, many states still view public higher education as an opportunity to learn in an ideologically neutral and tolerant environment. Yet they face institutions that are openly hostile to the views of a majority of residents or create hostile environments for students who need to take advantage of the state education system.
Just as donors should decline to support private institutions without real reform and strong intellectual diversity, state legislators should use state funding to combat that ideological agenda of faculty.
If President Murthy and the OSU faculty want to use their institution to instill ideological values and disrupt the oppressive institutions of this country, they can clearly do so. However, they do not have to do it with state money. They can seek to support their institutions with private funds from liberal donors and allow the state to spend money on institutions with greater neutrality and balance.
As shown at OSU, the faculty are unlikely to change this environment. Conservatives and libertarians have been largely purged from departments. Many do not have a single such faculty member, according to surveys. At the same time, many, including the head of the American Association of University Professors (AAUP), oppose institutional neutrality.
There must be a point where the most fervent liberals in states such as Oregon will recognize the harm that is being done to higher education by yielding to such ideological impulses. It is often hard to speak up for those with opposing values, but that is the test of principle.
What is most telling is the lack of self-awareness by these academics in their creating their own oppressive environment. In higher education, their mandatory courses are the very evidence of “systemic inequities” and “inequitable power distribution” that is “assumed to be the natural order.” It is a lesson that will not be lost on many students who find themselves isolated and marginalized in their own state school systems.
Jonathan Turley is a law professor and the best-selling author of “Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution.”
This should add fuel to those counties in eastern Oregon wishing to become part of Idaho.
Oregon strikes again.
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Heretic Coffee, a woke nonprofit coffee shop in Portland, Oregon, has asked the public for donations after a man wearing a dress smashed up the business’s glass door. The leftist coffee shop described the assailant as a “friend” suffering from mental health issues, and said it would rather raise funds than press charges.
WOW some friend… I wonder, did he go to college there?
That was you Dustoff in another drunken rage.
The left is demonic. There is no other explanation for the left.
Considering your low IQ, it no wonder you can’t explain the left.
Given the wording of your post, seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
I’ve said it more than 15 years ago, but, apparently, I have to say it again. Colleges and Universities DO NOT EXIST anymore. They have been replaced with LEFTIST INDOCTRINATION ENTITIES, aka “LIEs”.
Today’s attendees and graduates of LIEs cannot read, cannot write, cannot do math, and they definitely can’t think. The creatures from LIEs are simply IslamoCommuNazis, and are deeply in love with Islamic Terrorism, Communism, and Fascism. They know the IslamoCommuNazi talkings points, but know less than nothing about the genuine subjects that used to be taught scores of years ago. Not surprisingly, they also don’t have a scintilla of common sense.
Here’s a relevant story about the LIEs:
Turley Writes:
“The purpose is clearly to train activists to fight against the oppressive institutions and traditions: “Such examinations will enhance and promote responsible, ethical..
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President Trump met with crypto executives at the White House on Wednesday, voicing his support for an industry that has generated enormous wealth for him and his family and calling on Congress to pass a major cryptocurrency bill.
Officially, the meeting was a kickoff event for a new “innovation advisory committee,” a group of business leaders assembled to advise the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, one of the regulatory agencies that oversees crypto. But it was also a vivid display of Mr. Trump’s tangled relationship with the crypto industry, a business that brought in $1.4 billion for him last year, creating enormous conflicts of interest
Mr. Trump met with the executives at a high-stakes moment in the crypto world. The industry’s top priority is the passage of a bill called the Clarity Act, which would create business-friendly rules for the technology. In recent weeks, the bill has faced hurdles in the Senate, where Democrats have pushed for language that would bar public officials, including the president, from selling digital currencies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/us/politics/trump-crypto-executives.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
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Turley seems to think promoting proper ethics is just woke nonsense.
Odd…. How come the dems never passed any law about digital currencies.
Ask Miss P. She would know
Why do you think that Fauci should be free to violate the public’s trust and Joe Biden absolutely supported it. So Trump is bad: Biden is/was a decent honorable man?
#. President Murthy’s salary is $801,000,000. She is a civil engineer. She was born and raised in India and graduated as an engineer. She earned additional degrees from various colleges and has had a full career running the course of colleges throughout the US.
The STEM talent will be from India and other Asian nations in the future. The educated caste in the US will be Indian. The reason for the oppression classes is unkn to me. Perhaps it’s just a bubble, a blip.
OT: This is one of the most important decisions in the history of the court, and in my judgement, the court has made a mistake.
~ . Justice Alito’s dissent in Barbara
801 million?? maybe 801,000
$705,000 in 2023.
It’s dreadful. Virginia students are saying it’s a waste of time. 8 credits in the first year? This is 10 to 20 thou of the tuition? It’s pervasive in other coursework. Arts and humanities is global and cannot contain more than one week of study regarding American arts and humanities?
We’re in which level of the purgatorio? The tragedies are beyond imagination. Let’s get a few thousand people together, plumbers, electricians, pest control, builders, dentists, doctors etc and head for Uruguay or Paraguay or maybe Argentina?
The first college I attended hired a new President last year. She has been with the college for a number of years but the position is new. She sent out a survey regarding teaching students how to protest social injustice.
Why should we listen to the ignorant?
I suggested it would be better to focus on educating the students in the field they have entered. When those students are capable of getting good jobs, they can develop their critical thinking skills. At that point, they can be as politically active as they desire.
The school has ignored my advice. they teach/ indoctrinate students on political ideas. what the hell does that have to do with business, hospitality, retail, etc?
Is there a single woke thing in the world that has any validity? Were the civil rights marchers all imagining racism?
The civil wrongs marchers were imagining the white man’s money rather than making plans to go home where they belong as the Israelite slaves did.
The American Founders did not admit them to become citizens in their Naturalization Acts.
They’re persona non grata for those of you in Rio Linda.
They’re stunningly clever. The US was ripe for the picking. It’s incredibly counterintelligence.
If capitalism is so great, then why is there still the problem of poverty?
Poverty? Because humans are like any other animal population, some lines thrive, some lines struggle, some lines perish. Thinking that socialism or science can fix this to match the Leftist utopian nightmare is denying reality. Should we try to improve evryone’s lot? Sure, but be prepared for some jarring realities.
Poverty is not a problem that involves U.S. taxpayers or the U.S. government.
Poverty is a temporary problem for individuals.
The solution is to get a job.
Ahhh, but it is also a government problem, created by government🤣
Offshoring, foreign students and workers. Complex system that does manifest in personal space.
And yes, there are some lazy ass people who don’t want to work.
System has been corrupt and broken for decades.
Poverty exists in ALL economic systems. Socialism is based on the idea of Utopia. Socialism’s goal of economic equality has NEVER been reached in any modern nation.
” Socialism is great ’til you run out of other people’s money.”
Sex fiends such as Trump are usually killed in prison by other inmates, but you guys are very defensive and supportive of this sex fiend. It is weird.
Witless graffiti you think is some kind of intelligence product. You’re a derelict.
You sound like some sort of an expert in sex fiends.
Meghan Kelly the hypocrite called out Trump on the disrespectful, misogynistic things that Trump has said, yet there she is coming down on Ossoff.
Why is it that the holier-than-thou crowd supports a sex fiend?
Like Biden???
Turley Writes:
“The university explains that all students must take these courses to learn..
The inequitable distribution of social, economic, and political power..”
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The top 1% of households owned 31.7% of all U.S. wealth in the third quarter of 2025, the highest share on record since the Federal Reserve began tracking household wealth in 1989. That share has increased even as wealth growth for the rest of the population has stalled or slowed, the data shows.
Collectively, the wealthiest 1% held about $55 trillion in assets in the third quarter of 2025 — roughly equal to the wealth held by the bottom 90% of Americans combined.
The latest snapshot of wealth inequality comes as billionaire fortunes continue to grow rapidly, both in the U.S. and abroad. An Oxfam International report released this week found that billionaire wealth in 2025 increased three times faster than the average annual rate over the previous five years.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-wealth-gap-widest-in-three-decades-federal-reserve/
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Turley chides Oregon for teaching about inequality. But according to the stats above, wealth inequality is a runaway problem in the U. S. Should students not know this?
And speaking of those stats above, why did Trump and the Republicans think billionaires needed a tax cut??? The National Debt has grown by $3 trillion since Trump came back to office. And currently that Debt is spooking the bond markets.
National Debt Hit $40 Trillion Today
America’s gross national debt topped $40 trillion for the first time on Wednesday, an ominous milestone for an economy that sits on a shaky fiscal foundation after decades of borrowing to pay for the rising costs of the military, social safety net programs and President Trump’s tax cuts.
This year alone, the United States is on track to borrow more than $2 trillion to help pay for its obligations, including spending on the war in Iran and the sweeping tax cuts that Republicans enacted in 2025. Soaring interest payments to investors who have purchased America’s debt now make up about half of that red ink, pushing the United States into a deeper financial hole.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/business/economy/us-debt-40-trillion.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
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Turley doesn’t want students learning about inequality. But should they know about the National Debt? Should they know that tax cuts to billionaires have accelerated the Debt??
Trumps tax cuts helped the middleclass the most IRS says. NOT BILLIONAIRES!!(near the bottom in benefits of the cuts) Google it!!!
Biden spent trillions in useless programs(and fraud) that led to MASSIVE INFLATION!! We are paying Bidens added huge debt
Obama and Biden added almost 17.5 trilllion to the debt. HUGE PERCENTAGE!!
Biden had to spend a lot to conquer the COVID mess he inherited from Trump. Trump had not marshaled the assets needed to get us vaccinated, including the ultra cold freezers that the vaccine required, PPE, a distribution system and people to administer the vaccine. And Biden was successful in getting us back to work, back to school and back to work.
OH like Student Loan payments? Phony Green Energy scam?? Inflation Reduction Act that made inflation worse!! Biden debt was higher than Trumps and Trump had to mpay 3 trillion for covid..
Biden also paid billions to his friends and donors!!!
Biden also let in 15,000,000 -many are criminals and terrorists. They were UNVETTED!! Also they took many jobs away from U.S. citizens- which lowered wages!!
Covid was a leftist coup against Trump. US still funding the Wuhan Bat Lady. Fauci working at a foreign research site with US funding. Open your eyes.
That darn Trump, with his spreading of covid and such.
Estovir, Biden’s inflation subsided to acceptance levels his last 2 years. Trump then reignited inflation through his mindless war on Iran.
HEY DF MORON ANON Inflation under Biden was Cumulative– is an adjective that means increasing, growing, or obtaining a total by gradual, successive additions over time. It describes a total build-up where each new amount, event, or piece of data adds to all the ones before it.
8.5% 2021 5.5% 2022 4% 2023 and 3 % 2024 adds up to 21% STUPID ANON!!!~
AND I AM NOT ESTOVIR YOU PSYCHO MORON ANON
Meaning the 3% the last year is on top of the already 18% the first three years!! Got it BOZO ANON??
Correction: Israel’s war on Iran. Trump should have told Israel to stay in its borders, defend them, and stfu. Talk about Iran again next year.
Israel has been using the same “close to a nuclear weapon” bs since ’92.
I’d be very surprised if Iran didn’t have the required weapon design, engineering, and component construction and test programs running all this time. I would not be surprised if they already have devices. They aren’t stupid. They know using it would guarantee their total destruction. The destruction would not even be mutual.
Only two months away🤣
Old Fish, I think deep down you recognize that unless one is a leftist, America controls its own destiny, and no country determines its policy. Israel is the follower, not the leader, and that is why Israel has yet to finish the job in Gaza, and why Israel has blunted its replies to Hezbollah and even Iran. The US is telling Israel what it can and cannot do.
Iran is a peculiar case because of its religious ties to Martyrdom that we fought against in many places; ISIS is an example, and I think you recognize that ISIS would have no problem unleashing a nuclear weapon. They share the idea of martyrdom with Iran. Therefore, MAD is invalidated; there is no deterrence, and the death of America has been advocated by Iran’s leadership over fifty years.
The idea of destruction of the physical world is viewed as the start of eternal triumph, so what prevents the unleashing of a nuclear bomb is not a deterrent.
Here is a quote from one of the most widely accepted experts, Lewis.
“Mutual assured destruction, the deterrent that worked so well during the Cold War, would have no meaning. At the end of time, there will be general destruction anyway. What will matter will be the final destination of the dead—hell for the infidels, and heaven for the believers. For people with this mindset, MAD is not a constraint; it is an inducement.”
You have to pick between what you might believe and this. If you think it is a fifty-fifty chance, then half the time the nuclear bomb will be released. Is that the threat you wish to live under?
Tax cuts don’t help the middle class as they suffer from the economic fallout from the massive federal deficit and the inflation that unfunded spending causes.
Trumps tax cuts helped the middleclass the most IRS records show!!!! GOOGLE IT!! Under Trumps first term wage increases beat inflation- unlike under Biden the opposite happened.
So when is Oklahoma going to get control of their universities?
Capitalism (which is far from perfect) has built this Country into the greatest the world has ever known. Why don’t they require students to take a course demonstrating the positive aspects of capitalism?
The Woke “Difference Power Oppression” Left in Florida gave Republicans a gift for the upcoming US Senate national elections. Florida had their primary elections yesterday and media darling Democrat Alex Vindman outspent DSA Florida State Representative Angie Nixon 6:1. The money did not convince Florida Democrat voters: Angie Nixon (Dem) 705,192 (56.1%) to Alex Vindman (Dem) 552,774 (43.9%). The NYT, Guardian and the usual suspects in the legacy media are crowing about the results of Nixon demolishing Vindman. South Florida is populated with immigrants who fled authoritarian socialism & communism. Central and Northern Florida have no tolerance for left wing antics.
Democrats Charles Schumer & Hakeem Jeffries have lost control of their own party. They no longer have the confidence of voting Democrats. Pehaps Democrats have “get Trump” fatigue, or perhaps they want free stuff. This is what Florida Democrats chose for US Senate Democrat candidate. Unreal
😂 America’s finest. It’s tanked. God bless.
Most certainly I’d walk out.
I don’t have “get Trump” fatigue; I have fatigue from them not getting Trump even though they have had many chances to do so.
Turley sez: “Students are to be trained on how “beliefs and practices obscure the origins and operations of systemic oppression in daily life, such that this inequitable power distribution is assumed to be the natural order.”
The purpose is clearly to train activists to fight against the oppressive institutions and traditions in this country and abroad: “Such examinations will enhance and promote responsible, ethical, and anti-racist engagement by preparing students to understand and disrupt these systems as they manifest in their field.”
What is being said in this course description? That college-educated people should be aware of racist traditions and inequities that are “assumed to be the natural order”, but are not because they are oppressive. What’s wrong with teaching that? Is Turley trying to say that racist traditions and inequities SHOULD BE “assumed to be the NATURAL ORDER” and that educated persons should not learn about such traditions and inequities and endeavor to change them? Such an assumption is racist, misogynistic and anti-American, and very MAGA.
It doesn’t matter what field of endeavor a college-educated personl engages in after graduation. A college-educated person should be “responsible, ethical, and anti-racist” in their work, whether it is in the field of health care, marketing, education, business, finance, or any other endeavor. Just another MAGA tactic to attack higher education as being “woke” and not racist.
Being woke is seeing racism everywhere it does not exist.
Like, math.
Grades.
Excelling at school or your job.
Being on time.
Being expected to do your job you were hired for.
Turley is like that character from Cloud Atlas explaining why slavery is good.
He also ignores that if the students don’t like it they can go to a Jesus College and learn how to maintain racism as the norm.
Turley Writes:
The university explains that all students must take these courses to learn how to “disrupt” oppressive systems in the United States..
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America’s current “young generation” — and in particular, college students — stand at the intersection of two of the Trump administration’s favorite targets: voting rights and higher education. Through a range of measures, the administration has sought to make it more difficult for students to vote and for colleges and universities to assist student voters.
Last August, just as the academic year was beginning, the Department of Education sent a “Dear Colleague” letter to college administrators informing them that their institutions could no longer use federal work-study funds to support nonpartisan civic activities such as voter registration, voter hotlines and voter assistance at polling places. These are activities that groups such as the ALL IN Campus Democracy Challenge and the Students Learn Students Vote Coalition have shown demonstrably increase student voter turnout.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/opinion/college-students-voting-civic.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
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The Trump administration is actively discouraging college students from voting. So perhaps Oregon isn’t all that crazy in wanting students to know how to ‘disrupt oppressive systems’.
Other than demand a real ID other than a student ID card, what other measure has Trump administration taken?
The Trump administration has been pressuring states to close down polling places on campus, so students may have to travel miles away to vote. Also, excerpted from “Huff Post”, May 20, 2026:
“The Trump administration is going after the National Study of Learning, Voting and Engagement, a 13-year running nonpartisan research group that tracks student voting rates across more than 1,000 college and university campuses. NSLVE, which is housed at Tufts University, works with schools to boost student participation in national elections. It’s been credited with helping drive up college student turnout from 39% in 2016 to 47% in 2024.
The goal appears to be to discourage universities from using NSLVE’s data to encourage their students to vote. While Trump picked up unusually strong support from young voters in 2024, those voters have sharply turned against him and favor Democrats by wide margins in public polling.”
Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice same on me. They won’t be fooled again.
Trump Casts Votes By Mail
President Donald Trump voted by mail in Florida’s Republican primary, according to local voting records, even as he continues to rail against mail-in voting with wide-ranging allegations of fraud.
Voting records from Palm Beach County show the president requested his ballot in late July and it was returned on Aug. 13.
This is not the first time that Trump has voted by mail in his adopted home state. He voted by mail in a special election in Palm Beach County earlier this year.
Trump, who has falsely claimed he won the 2020 election, has repeatedly pushed Congress this year to adopt the SAVE America Act, a measure that mandates the use of photo IDs in federal elections as well as documentary proof of citizenship.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/08/17/trump-vote-by-mail-primaries-florida-01039292
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Trump discourages college students from voting while mailing in his own Florida ballot. But Trump wants to ban mail-in ballots everywhere else.
He had reason.
“Every society must explain how and why it’s organized in the way that it is. Since every society will have some groups that are better or worse off, then its self-explanation can always be portrayed negatively as an apologetic for ‘oppressing’ some groups. But that applies to every human society that has ever existed or ever *will* exist. It assumes the possibility of an alternative human society that has no imperfections or complaints. Those don’t exist.”
https://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Crazy-Things-Second/dp/1736477544/
N.S. I appreciate you sharing your own work, that sounds like a book worth reading. Sounds like you’re asking why people believe what they believe. What I’m working on is closer to a downstream question, whether the formation those beliefs come from can actually sustain the kind of self-government a constitutional republic requires of its citizens. Different project, but I can see where they’d talk to each other.
The answer is no. These people want to be taken care of by the government or kings, prince’s, religious authorities etc. They don’t want self government and don’t know what that is.
Murthy from this article is east Indian? They’re still on a caste system and mother Teresa has been picking up the dying from the streets. 1 billion people and busting at the seems so they move here for a land grab? It’s not sustainable.
It looks like Dantes inferno.
It’s always 80/20. Pereto/ Bentham
There must be a point where the most fervent liberals in states such as Oregon will recognize the harm that is being done to higher education by yielding to such ideological impulses.
Happily OSU (in Corvallis, endowment $1.01 billion 2025 per Wiki) does not have a medical school. OTOH, Oregon Health & Science University (OHSU) in Portland (Endowment:$1.3 billion in 2025 ) does have a medical school (the only MD / allopathic school in Oregon) and that doesn’t seem to be going too well. An upside down prosthetic mitral valve!!!
So they dont know their anatomy at OSHU but they lean heavily on diversity!!
The OHSU School of Medicine is deeply committed to increasing and supporting diversity among our faculty, staff, and learners. Diversity includes age, color, culture, disability, ethnicity, identity or expression, neurodiversity, marital status, national origin, race, religion, gender, socioeconomic status, rural heritage and more. We respect diversity of thought ideas and more.
ohsu.edu/school-of-medicine/diversity-equity
medical knowledge, not so much. One can only imagine what OSU would produce
$17M lawsuit alleges upside-down heart valve left Oregon girl on life support
https://healthexec.com/topics/healthcare-management/legal-news/17m-lawsuit-alleges-upside-down-heart-valve-left-oregon-girl-life-support
Group think in medicine is a real phenomenon.
Estovir,
I read about that the other day and was left wondering if, after this lawsuit, will heart valve manufactures have to put “This end up” with an arrow on the valves?
BTW, next week I start college for a associates degree in a medical related field. Dug out all my old EMT, Wilderness EMT, IV Therapy, Mountaineering: Freedom of the Hills, A&P books two months ago.
A lot of it is coming back!
Upstate Farmer IS Estovir.
Yet here he pretends to be 2 different people, telling Estovir he’s ‘going back to college’.
Every day, on these threads, Estovir simulates bogus discussions just to give these threads the veneer of being a happy forum for MAGA men. It’s all a big, stupid lie!
Ah, I never said I was, “‘going back to college.'”
I am going to college. First time. Oh, boy!
Now, EMT school was, techincally, a Continuing Education class at a community college.
Not sure if that applies.
Regardless, your higher-indoctrination, reading comprehension (lack there of) skills continue to serve you.
And your obsession with Estovir as everyone you disagree with, just shows your paranoia.
“I am going to college. First time. Oh, boy!”
Bravo Upstate. You might be the one educating the uneducated.
Congrats and well wishes!
BTW, next week I start college for a associates degree in a medical related field
Outstanding! Congratulations for having the courage to return to school. A neighbor is in her 50s, has an Associate degree in a medical related field, works as a clinician in the acute care setting in a university hospital, and I convinced her to go for her BS degree. She is now doing it while working FT at the hospital. Her spouse is not happy that she is in school, but I’ve encouraged him to do likewise, also in his mid 50s.
Medicine is a language. Once you look at it that way, you should look at learning medicine as immersing yourself in the medical literature. Stick to the BMS – basic medical sciences: physiology, immunology, biochemistry, genetics, molecular biology, anatomy, microbiology, pharmacology, etc. Medicine is based on the BMS but practiced as an art, an interpretation of the BMS. When physicians make medical errors it is largely because they forgot their BMS or failed to keep up with paradigm shifts within BMS. For example, when I went to medical school in the 1990s it was largely believe before 2012 that most of chromosomes were composed of junk DNA. Then it all changed, and with that we had to learn a new language. See
ENCODE Project Writes Eulogy for Junk DNA
free link
Elizabeth Pennisi, ENCODE Project Writes Eulogy for Junk DNA.Science. 337,1159-1161(2012).DOI:10.1126/science.337.6099.1159
There is a big misunderstanding among people about schools. They do not teach you. You teach yourself with the school work you do. Enrolling in schools gives you access. But you do not learn by osmosis. You have to put in the work. Schools are only as good as their faculty. Buildings are not schools. Professors and researchers are what define/rank universities. Use faculty for class lectures and for office hours to clarify concepts you find challenging or can not comprehend. They are there to help you, give you a gentle push when you get stuck, to keep going. However it is up to you to do the reading, and the reading in BMS is hard.
Whatever your path, focus on conquering the language of medicine, as complex as it is. You (I) will never know everything about medicine, but the more fluent you are in the language of BMS, the better interpreter of BMS you will be.
I’m very proud of you. Keep going, and let me know how I can help. the students and faculty are going to love you.
Estovir,
Thank you oh, so much! Your words were very encouraging and I have copied and pasted your response into a .doc for future reference.
I think this is going to be not only interesting, but fun!
Fake Farmer
So, who is going to take care of your alleged “farm” while you are at “college” ???
Or is this “associates degree in a medical related field” just another one of your fantasies ???
Perhaps you should change your name to Walter Mitty.
You seem to spend all day, every day here, despite allegedly being a “farmer”.
It will be fascinating to see how much time you manage to spend here while you are working on this supposed “associates degree”.
So, who is going to take care of your alleged “farm” while you are at “college” ???
I can think of some OSU graduates that might be hirable.
Oh, no annony!
As I have stated, I have reached a point where I am so successful, I can afford to go to college and maintain the farm at the same time!
You see, I may not be formally educated, but I know enough of time management, finances, productivity, the markets, to be so successful to be able to do more than one thing at once.
Many successful millionaires and billionaires do the same thing.
I may not make as much as Bezos or Musk, but I am in the same category . . . successful!
My mother’s cardiologist sent in his look alike brother to see patients. He wasn’t a doctor. 😏.