D.C. Arrests Artist For Re-Using Old Discarded Trash Bins While Dumping Thousands Of The Bins As Un-Recycled Garbage

Supercan Image for webWashington’s city government has long been a symbol of poor management, wasteful programs, and gross inefficiencies. That image was reaffirmed this month after the city turned a program to replace trash bins into an utter disaster. Shortly before the primary election, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) rushed the new cans out to every citizen. The program was so rushed that there appeared to be no system in place to collect the old cans. Now, it appears that the city has not only been chucking new cans but it has not been recycling the plastic cans — simply pumping them in Virginia for incineration. However, the city charged two people who tried to reuse the discarded bins.

The city delivered more than 200,000 new cans but left old cans on the streets. The result was alleys full of new an old cans. Then the rain washed off the stickers to identify the new cans so that crews began to collect new and old bins for disposal. In the meantime, the city arrested a District artist who decided to take some of the old discarded cans and repurpose them as flowerpots. So, while she was being prosecuted, the city was collecting old and new cans to throw them away. At least 132 truckloads of plastic bins — a third of the 16,000 cans that were to be collected and recycled — were simply dumped in Virginia to be burned.

2014 Director HOWLAND head shot Medium sizeThe city has a curious defense. Since it failed to properly rollout the program, the mix of old and new cans now were clogging streets and presenting safety issues. Thus, the city decided to dump rather than recycle the cans in its rush to deal with its gross negligence. While the new cans came with stickers to put on old cans reading “Take Me” to allow them to be collected, the stickers fell off and left crews uncertain as to which cans were to be collected. Public Works Director William Howland (right) ordered dump trucks to “blitz” the city and treat the cans as garbage to be dumped.

220px-VincentgrayIn the meantime, outgoing Mayor Grey was not available — he is traveling to Las Vegas for a taxpayer supported conference. He is also unreachable to deal with another year of appalling school scores for the District and a new investigation showing police officers running red lights with impunity.

The city however charged Mina Karini and a friend with theft after they took the “Take Me” signs literally and repurposed some of the cans as planters. The District argued that by taking the cans, the two acted to “deprive” the city of “property of value” and potential profits from recycling the cans – which of course they did not do.

Source: Washington Post

102 thoughts on “D.C. Arrests Artist For Re-Using Old Discarded Trash Bins While Dumping Thousands Of The Bins As Un-Recycled Garbage

  1. Typical double standard – one law for the government and its friends, another law for the citizen.

  2. What the committed Dem voters don’t understand is the last 6 years, a man who promised change and a good, efficient government, has failed. However, the failure is not just a presidency. The failure is of the Dem philosophy that government is the answer. It is not. our founders NEVER envisioned the intrusiveness and scope of the monolith that exists today. I know the hardcore Dems here and elsewhere will stick their heads in the sand. 2008 looked to many people as a paradigm shift. It indeed was, just not the one many hoped for.

  3. I thought the theory on garbage was that once it was on the street it was open season. Since they declared it garbage, then taking it, regardless of signs makes it perfectly free to take.

    Someone has too much time on their hands in D.C. Has the crime rate dropped so the police are freed up for mundane tasks like this?

  4. I happen to be acquainted with a human person who seems, to me, and so that human person has said to me, actually understands basic aspects of the bioengineering work that I have done regarding public safety aspects of the contemporary structure of human society.

    There is a problem I have long noted about the contemporary structure of human society, and noted it globally, in every society, sub-society, culture,and sub-culture I have yet been able to study in depth and detail, using ethnographic forms of research methodology.

    That problem is the actually mistaken belief that actually-avoidable mistakes actually happen or can ever actually happen.

    It is this mistaken belief (in my doctoral dissertation, named, “The Fundamental Error of Social Reality”) which I have noted since my age of early infancy, drives people to becoming incapable of avoiding such seemingly stupid behavior as this story illustrates.

    Having studied modern physics (modern in the late 1950s), including quantum mechanics then and since, the best cosmological fantasy (not yet a theory) is simply that the fundamental error of (human) social reality is as though an echo of what preceded the so-called “big bang” whose echo may be the approximately 2.3 Kelvins Johnson noise that Penzias and Wilson found during their work with microwaves at Bell Laboratories.

    For a reference regarding Penzias and Wison, see:

    http://www.npr.org/2014/05/20/314239930/big-bangs-afterglow-two-scientists-recall-their-big-discovery

    To such extent as what came before “the big bang” was of the not-yet-existence of “ordinary matter,” ignorance of “ordinary matter” surely prevailed among all the humans who did not then exist, and did not exist for want of the existence of “ordinary matter.”

    It is, in my work ignorance of the nature of learning which drives what may superficially appear as intransigent, adamant human ignorance.

    Alas, I observe that ignorance is, and only is, a sign, in the biosemiotic sense, of not-yet-completed learning opportunities.

    Because belief in people making avoidable mistakes is not only false, but also massively contagious and addictive, how long it will take for anyone not nearly totally socially inept because of profound autism to begin to grasp the actual nature of mistakes is a question that I cannot begin to answer.

    Perhaps that grasp will take longer than the lifespan of the human species?

    I would rather that is not humanity’s ultimate goal; the future of humanity’s seeming penchant for destroying itself through false pride in mistaken understanding of humanity.

  5. After a few moments of reflection, perhaps I can offer a simplified version of my prior post on this thread.

    Taken as a whole, is humanity treating itself much like those garbage cans were treated?

  6. Government, justice and commonsense gone bad. Little people with little minds trying to manage big things is a recipe for disaster….GOP need voter suppression to win elections, Dems need garbage cans…..

  7. Or, would this be better?

    Is humanity treating itself as garbage and as garbage cans that are not worth enough to merit recycling?

  8. I like Dredd’s links, keep ’em coming. The videos and music are terrific too.

    As for the garbage can dilemma, Mr. Keebler has a point.

  9. Rob – my garbage cans cannot withstand the mechanical arm used to dump them into the garbage truck. Still, we have no bears here.

  10. This is but the tip of the iceberg of excrement known as government agencies.
    Government agencies have this reverse Midas touch. Whatever a government agency regulates or controls turns into excrement. The kind of service the government provides is very like California Chrome’s future.

    The minimal necessary government would be nice given the necessary truth of the reverse Midas touch.

  11. Does the mayor who ordered the new cans have a financial interest in the company providing those cans?

    What a great idea to re-purpose the discarded cans as flower pots! They need to have all charges dismissed and then collect more of the cans. Incinerating plastic is NOT a good idea.

  12. They should put a repurposed flower garbage bin/ pot on every street corner, it would beautify the city. Have neighborhood volunteer groups take care of he planting and watering, weeding, etc. Madison Wi, is a wonderful city with active neighborhood councils. My daughter and son in law are active on their particular neighborhood council, they do some good things.

  13. bettykath – it is DC for goodness sake. Common sense is not in their vocabulary. Remember, they are a city basically run by the federal government. That should be your first hint of trouble.

  14. DC could be as nice as Madison with some good leadership. First example, set up a summer program for the kids to paint the discarded bins, then plant them with one vegetable plant surrounded by flowers. Show them how to care to care for the pots and have an end of summer “show of pots” with modest prizes for various categories of pots.

  15. Excellent Bettykath! What fun that would be for the kids. I always hear the mantra “The bigotry of low expectations”, it may apply in this case here.

  16. Since the adults will most likely object to the cops beating, tasing, or shooting the vandals, the adults will watch over the pots.

  17. “Good leadership” are the key words. The duopoly, or in the case of big cities run by Dems, monopoly, provide the antithesis of “good leadership.” Two choices[duopoly] is not acceptable. One choice id like the old Soviet Union “elections.”

  18. Some folks seem to have a compulsion to frame every discussion with political labels, i.e. bad Democrats, bad liberals, bad Republicans, bad conservatives. “Bad” isn’t always used explicitly, it’s just implied by the snark. Well, I have a news flash, the labels are misleading more often than not and actually show the limited thinking of those who insist on using them in every conversation.

  19. bettykath, I worked in the inner cities of KC and Chicago. I’ve been to inner cities in many US cities. The problems are so profound and protracted, I have little patience for little band aid solutions that only make people feel better about themselves. I care about the inner city and black folk living in a depraved area. But, until changes are made within the black community, and by the black community, we are just wasting our time and money.

  20. nick, You seem to want to wait for the politicians to give a sxxx. They don’t and won’t. Changes need to come from the people who want to change their neighborhoods. Once there are some small successes, they can move on to bigger projects. Maybe the flower pots wouldn’t last long, but they could make a big impact on a few kids and maybe, just maybe, an entire neighborhood or two.

    I drive through a very small rural community. Someone started a small community garden 2-3 years ago. This year nearly every small space is designated as a community garden. These aren’t spaces set aside for one family or another, but as community spaces, tomatoes here, garlic there, pumpkins/ squash in another plot. Cooperation, you know, that feminist trait that’s so different from competition.

  21. BK, Community gardens are a great example. They are not sponsored by the govt. People just start them, word spreads, and they grow. My wives church started one several years ago. I see them mostly in middle class neighborhoods. The exceptions are Asian and Latino neighborhoods. They come to the US w/ a strong tradition of gardening. The farmers markets around my area have many Hmong and Mexican vendors. Where you don’t see these gardens are in poor black and white neighborhoods.

  22. bettykath – much as I hate to use these two examples I will just to show that men can be cooperative as well. Unions and the Grange.

  23. Seriously . . . sanitation workers could not tell the difference between new cans and old?

    This is the problem when it’s so easy to spend taxpayers’ money. And what an environmental waste – incinerating all those cans instead of reusing, recycling, or repurposing. The city could have put on its website contact information for anyone looking for free cans to repurpose them. They would have made great compost bins or planters.

    They should own their fiasco, and immediately drop all charges against this innocent person. Who ever heard of it being criminal to reuse what was essentially trash?

  24. bettykath: I love the idea of community gardens, but I prefer where each family is given a plot. It cuts down on the Tragedy of the Commons. I would love if schools in concrete bound cities could also have some space for the kids to garden. Some kids never get to see how food is grown.

    And, you’re right, to a large degree, change has to come from within.

  25. The two that were charged with theft? That’s a good case for a jury nullification.

    City puts a “take me” sign on a garbage can after announcing a campaign to change all garbage cans. Sounds like an entrapment case in the works.

  26. Treating the Earth like garbage is a sin according to Pope Francis:

    Pope Francis made the religious case for tackling climate change on Wednesday, calling on his fellow Christians to become “Custodians of Creation” and issuing a dire warning about the potentially catastrophic effects of global climate change.

    Speaking to a massive crowd in Rome, the first Argentinian pope delivered a short address in which he argued that respect for the “beauty of nature and the grandeur of the cosmos” is a Christian value, noting that failure to care for the planet risks apocalyptic consequences.

    “Safeguard Creation,” he said. “Because if we destroy Creation, Creation will destroy us! Never forget this!”

    (Climate Progress).

  27. Dredd – Pope Francis said abortion was a sin and you didn’t back him then. This is kind of hypocritical of you.

  28. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – Pope Francis said abortion was a sin and you didn’t back him then. This is kind of hypocritical of you.
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    Paulpul bull.

  29. I have not backed nor not backed his stance on abortion.

    Neither do I know what his stance is.

    Your word on it means nothing.

    I do know that one of your favorite senators had a wide stance.

    What is your stance on his stance?

  30. Dredd – great. Today we play word games. You would have to identify the particular favorite Senator to see if I agree he has a wide stance and then I could tell you if 1) he was one of my favorites and 2) what my stance on his stance is. I know what my stance on your stance is if you want to know.

  31. Dredd – you need to reread your 9:23 post. It does not make sense.
    ===================
    I have neither backed nor not backed the Pope on whatever stance the Pope has on abortion as Paul Shulte falsely claimed.

  32. Dredd – your comment shows that I did not falsely claim anything about you. Dude, you need to read your own stuff. ;)

  33. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – Pope Francis said abortion was a sin and you didn’t back him then. This is kind of hypocritical of you.
    ===================
    He was closer to saying you have a small mind:

    Pope Francis, in an extraordinary interview that electrified the Catholic world, said that the Roman Catholic Church has become unduly obsessed with condemning abortion, gay marriage, and contraception.

    The church, he said, should emphasize compassion and mercy instead of “small-minded rules.”

    I nether back his position nor do I not back it … I have no position on running the Catholic Church … that is his realm.

    I do like his frankness on PC (Pope Capitalism) and I back a better capitalism that is not small minded.

    You are going to make the small minded book if you want to.

  34. Dredd – I am currently working on three books, all in different areas. That hardly makes me small minded.

  35. Sorry, but I think these garbage bins are going to make terrible planters.
    They’ll need drainage – better drill some holes in the bottom. They are tall (unless you plan to cut them down and those mothers are going to be plenty hard to cut and once cut will have terrible ragged edges). You will have to fill them with something that will drain but won’t rot or decay before you add planting material and chances are that something is going to be verry heavy so you better have your planter positioned right where you want it because it is likely to be immovable once it is planted.

    Terrible waste by the city, of course. But I’m not too confident that we are any better prepared to engage in any city ‘planning’.

  36. Drill holes in the bottom, fill halfway with rocks first then add soil, they will indeed be so heavy no one could run off with them easily. Paint and plant!

  37. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – I am currently working on three books, all in different areas. That hardly makes me small minded.
    ===================
    Correct.

    The quality is determinative, not the quantity.

  38. Paul Schulte

    You said “Dredd – Pope Francis said abortion was a sin and you didn’t back him then. This is kind of hypocritical of you.”
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    Why do you think I have to back the Pope or not back the Pope on anything?

    And why would that be hypocritical?

    Some Catholics agree with him on some things but not others.

    Are they hypocrites for that?

    Your assertions are utterly absurd.

  39. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – I am currently working on three books, all in different areas. That hardly makes me small minded.
    ———————-
    Correct.

    The quality is determinative, not the quantity.

    Paul Schulte

    Dredd – somewhat like Lakoff and his 200 articles?
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    Can’t speak for your quality or quantity, since I don’t trust your judgment.

    But Lakoff is very competent.

  40. Dredd – to cherry pick comments from the Pope when you agree with him but not condemn his comments when you disagree with him is hypocritical. And yes, some Roman Catholics are hypocritical. Nancy Pelosi comes instantly to mind.

  41. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – great. Today we play word games …
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    And book games too.

    What fun.

    Police arresting artists for using old trash bins is a fun word game that could be made into three books.

    More fun.

  42. Dredd – so Lakoff can crank out progressive pablum and you agree that he is competent, but you don’t trust my judgment. Why am I not surprised?

  43. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – to cherry pick comments from the Pope when you agree with him but not condemn his comments when you disagree with him is hypocritical. And yes, some Roman Catholics are hypocritical. Nancy Pelosi comes instantly to mind.
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    The Paulpul Bull.

  44. Dredd –

    And book games too.

    What fun.

    Police arresting artists for using old trash bins is a fun word game that could be made into three books.

    More fun.

    How does this make sense?

  45. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – trying to kill the messenger is a logical fallacy.
    ==================
    The twisted messenger is fair game.

  46. “Frame” your message!

    Lakoff is a linguist at UC-Berkeley, and his theories (which are not shared by most linguists; see Matt Bai, “Framing Wars,” New York Times Magazine, 17 July 2005) have convinced him that we all have “frames” that shape the way we see the world. And the frames are shaped by language.

    Change the language and you change the frame through which we see. So if your conservative opponent speaks of “tax relief,” don’t come up with a better version of tax relief — you’ll just be reinforcing their conservative frame. Instead, argue that taxes are the price we pay for living in a decent society. If your opponent speaks of an elephant, don’t think of an elephant when you answer him or her!

    Lakoff says there are only two frames. One derives from what he calls the “strict father” family, the other from what he calls the “nurturant parent” family. The first is Republican / conservative (surprise!), the second is Democrat / progressive, and about 35-40% of us are currently hooked to each frame.

    A minority of Americans — 20-30% — is in between, confused, torn, and up for grabs.

    According to Lakoff, for progressives to start winning national elections again, they need to cement their base and win over that 20-30%. And the way for them to do that is to sharpen their language so it has little or nothing to do with conservatives’ language.

  47. Annie

    Sorry to disagree about the planters. You are going to wind up with a 600 lbs. monster, that cannot be moved, with peeling paint (or needing constant maintenance) with about 4 square feet of planting area. You will have to have found, dug and carried 300 lbs of rock for this 4 square feet of planter. You will have to have purchased 15 or 20 bags of potting soil. I know that seems like an awful lot, but those rocks have a lot of gaps between them and potting soil compacts A LOT. I did this once on a small scale and learned a hard lesson. I’d never try to recycle anything into a planter that is bigger than a small wastepaper basket. Those garbage bins are 50 gallons!

    And then along comes winter and you’ve got one ugly, peeling paint, unmovable monster garbage bin sitting on your front stoop which, if you decide isn’t nearly as attractive as you had hoped, now has to have 20 bags of potting soil removed along with 300 pounds of rock.

    Please call me for the pizza party – afterwards.

  48. Paul Schulte

    Trying to kill the messenger is a logical fallacy.

    Dr. Lakoff recycles old discarded trash bins without getting arrested:

    George Lakoff is a world-renowned cognitive linguist whose innovative theories changed the way scientists examine the connection between mind and body. Though a linguist by training, Lakoff is a pioneer in the multidisciplinary theory of the embodied mind, the idea that higher-order aspects of cognition are rooted in and constrained by bodily features such as the motor and perceptual systems. Lakoff’s Neural Theory of Language, which describes how the physical (i.e., chemical reactions within our highly structured brains) inexorably gives rise to the ineffable (complex conceptual thought and language), reaches beyond the area of linguistics to provide groundbreaking insights into the realms of neuroscience and cognitive psychology as well. Introduced in his book Philosophy of the Flesh this integrative theory has been consistently borne out by empirical evidence, and the idea of the embodied mind forms the theoretical basis for much of today’s social psychology research.

    One of Lakoff’s most compelling lines of study in this field is his metaphor theory, in which he asserts that metaphor is not just a linguistic construction but a conceptual one, a mental mechanism that allows us to understand complex aspects of our experience in more accessible physical or social terms. In this interdisciplinary framework, outlined in his highly influential book Metaphors We Live By, “time is money” is not just a proverb; it is a metaphor that shapes our understanding of the abstract concept of time as a valuable but limited commodity, one that can be saved, spent, wasted, or invested. Lakoff has applied this revolutionary idea to a variety of other disciplines, including philosophy, mathematics, and politics. He has famously posited that most Americans understand country through the metaphor of family and that the divide between conservatives and liberals arises from a fundamental disagreement over what type of “parenting style” the government should practice. This work and his insight into morally based framing, in which ideas are conveyed using very specific language that is tied to a larger conceptual framework such as freedom or equality, have made him a go-to strategist for politicians, and his political acumen has earned Lakoff the moniker “the father of framing” as well as an influential platform in The Huffington Post, to which he contributes frequently. A past president of the International Cognitive Linguistics Association, George Lakoff is Richard and Rhoda Goldman Distinguished Professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, where he has taught since 1972.

    (2015 Keynote Speakers, International Convention of Psychological Science). Be there, he will be killing you softly with his words.

  49. Dredd – Lakoff wrote his own bio. They do not leave those things to chance. And he is not universally accepted. However, you seem to enjoy his work since he confirms your thinking. Please go and enjoy. Would not want you to think outside your ‘frame.’

  50. The city delivered more than 200,000 new cans but left old cans on the streets. The result was alleys full of new an old cans. Then the rain washed off the stickers to identify the new cans so that crews began to collect new and old bins for disposal. In the meantime, the city arrested a District artist who decided to take some of the old discarded cans and repurpose them as flowerpots. So, while she was being prosecuted, the city was collecting old and new cans to throw them away. At least 132 truckloads of plastic bins — a third of the 16,000 cans that were to be collected and recycled — were simply dumped in Virginia to be burned.” – JT

    Good message.

  51. Dredd – you did not refute the message, you went after the messenger. That is a fallacy and shows that you cannot refute the message.

  52. Feynman, lol, I think you may be right. Hey! If it gets ugly they can build a nice brick shell around it! :D

  53. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – Lakoff wrote his own bio …
    ==========================
    I take it that you are in reference to the 2015 Keynote Speakers at the International Convention of Psychological Science I linked to in my comment above.

    How do you know he wrote his bio … did Stanislas Dehaene and Terrie E. Moffitt, the other two keynote speakers also write their own bios?

    I think you wrote your own bias.

  54. I commented: “The city delivered more than 200,000 new cans but left old cans on the streets. The result was alleys full of new an old cans. Then the rain washed off the stickers to identify the new cans so that crews began to collect new and old bins for disposal. In the meantime, the city arrested a District artist who decided to take some of the old discarded cans and repurpose them as flowerpots. So, while she was being prosecuted, the city was collecting old and new cans to throw them away. At least 132 truckloads of plastic bins — a third of the 16,000 cans that were to be collected and recycled — were simply dumped in Virginia to be burned.” – JT

    Good message.
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    Paul Schulte commented:

    Dredd – you did not refute the message, you went after the messenger. That is a fallacy and shows that you cannot refute the message.
    =============================
    The message was on point for this thread.

    Doncha know?

  55. Dredd – I have been to conferences before. They ask the speakers to provide their own bio. It is pretty standard.

  56. “Frame” your message!

    Lakoff is a linguist at UC-Berkeley, and his theories (which are not shared by most linguists; see Matt Bai, “Framing Wars,” New York Times Magazine, 17 July 2005) have convinced him that we all have “frames” that shape the way we see the world. And the frames are shaped by language.

    Change the language and you change the frame through which we see. So if your conservative opponent speaks of “tax relief,” don’t come up with a better version of tax relief — you’ll just be reinforcing their conservative frame. Instead, argue that taxes are the price we pay for living in a decent society. If your opponent speaks of an elephant, don’t think of an elephant when you answer him or her!

    Lakoff says there are only two frames. One derives from what he calls the “strict father” family, the other from what he calls the “nurturant parent” family. The first is Republican / conservative (surprise!), the second is Democrat / progressive, and about 35-40% of us are currently hooked to each frame.

    A minority of Americans — 20-30% — is in between, confused, torn, and up for grabs.

    According to Lakoff, for progressives to start winning national elections again, they need to cement their base and win over that 20-30%. And the way for them to do that is to sharpen their language so it has little or nothing to do with conservatives’ language.

  57. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – Lakoff wrote his own bio …
    ==========================
    Yep.

    He was the one who decided to take some of the old discarded cans JT blogged about and repurpose them as bio holders so they would know he was a recycler.

    They had never heard of Lakoff before, so that bio in the flowerpot quality recycle cans swept them off their feet, even though:

    “The Association for Psychological Science (previously the American Psychological Society) is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the advancement of scientific psychology and its representation at the national and international level.

    The Association’s mission is to promote, protect, and advance the interests of scientifically oriented psychology in research, application, teaching, and the improvement of human welfare.

    APS has approximately 26,000 members and includes the leading psychological scientists and academics, clinicians, researchers, teachers, and administrators.”

    Yes we can write our own bios!

  58. Dredd, I have had now to delete two more comments that attack another poster and clearly violate our civility rule. If you cannot comply with this minimal rule, you will have to be suspended from further commentary.

  59. Jonathan do you really think you are fooling anyone with you bias?

    I can’t tell what in the world you think civility is.

    If it was a criminal law it would be void for vagueness.

    When I am called a hypocrite what should I do?

    If you want me to leave this blog I will gladly do so without regret or animosity toward you or anyone else.

    But you are most certainly being unfair to not allow a defense.

    Otherwise, please free up my comments in WordMess.

  60. Dredd, your comments will remain deleted. The rule is simple. This comment section is not for posting insulting and personal attacks. Ninety-nine percent of posters on this blog have no problem or uncertainty as to what civility means. I have deleted comments by all of the people commonly involved in these disputes on both sides. I do not delete comments that criticize the substance of arguments or point out contradictions in those arguments or sources. I could care less about the merits of the underlying dispute. My only request is that you do not use this blog to post nasty attacks or name calling rather than addressing the substance of the disagreement. We are enforcing that rule more in the last few weeks after the section was taken over by such comments as well as a series of false aliases. As always, if you believe that someone has violated the rule, email me. Otherwise, this rule tracks what most of us already consider to be a basic requirement of adult conversation.

  61. Jonathan,

    … if you believe that someone has violated the rule, email me …

    I do not want to bother you with that kind of pettiness.

    So, henceforth, I will turn the other cheek or ignore the ignorati.

    Which means “enforcement of civility” will fall to those who want to bother you with complaints.

    “The squeaky wheel gets the grease.” ;)

  62. Hey dude, there’s something going on, not sure what it is. I just can’t wait for the ones that provoke start attacking the new guest blogger. I don’t think it will go over as well, if they do the same antics as have been pulled on Elaine and others. Ya know!

    Like I’ve been saying. If you think for yourself you tend to vote democratic. If you can’t think for yourself you tend to vote republican. And if you’ve given up thinking all together, maybe the TeaParty is for you.

  63. Mr Keebler

    Hey dude, there’s something going on, not sure what it is. I just can’t wait for the ones that provoke start attacking the new guest blogger. I don’t think it will go over as well, if they do the same antics as have been pulled on Elaine and others. Ya know!

    Like I’ve been saying. If you think for yourself you tend to vote democratic. If you can’t think for yourself you tend to vote republican. And if you’ve given up thinking all together, maybe the TeaParty is for you.
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    Well said.

    You know how NFL umps are … they never get the provocateur they always get the one administering justice to the provocateur.

    Just remember that in the Super Bowl we kick they butt.

    It is just that it is unfair to the ump because they look very umpy.

    Whatever, I gotta go do some artwork on these two garbage cans so I can get arrested.

  64. Paul Schulte

    Dredd – you did not refute the message, you went after the messenger. That is a fallacy and shows that you cannot refute the message.
    =====================
    I can not tell which message WordMess ate and/or which Jonathan deleted, so please inform me of which message you need to be refuted and I shall do so with the utmost love, affection, civility and adulthood.

    Turning my cheeks an stuff too.

    Especially turning my cheeks.

    You shall not be deprived of your refutations as long as I am educating you!!

    BTW, isn’t it grand that we have another pure scientist on board (Kimberly) to go along with the other pure scientist (Chuck) so we can talk about brain stuff?

    BTW, what do you think artists and garbage cans are metaphors for?

  65. keebler – if you have been following Dredd it is important for Democrats NOT to think for themselves. Laskoff says they must ‘frame’ the message, but not think. So, according to Laskoff, if you are thinking for yourself, you are either a very poor Democrat, or you must be Libertarian or Republican.

  66. Most folks don’t realize that a huge amount of what they painstakingly separate out and believe is being recycled is not. Even in areas that require such separation by law. I have frequently seen the collection employees dump both containers into the same truck and haul them off to the land fill. I used to be fascinated ever trash day while visiting family in California. They had special divided bins and were required, and threatened with fines for noncompliance, to separate, wash, and delabel all metal cans, aluminum products, glass, and paper products and put them in one side of the bin. Trash went into the other side. On Wednesday morning the bin was take to the curb. A truck came by with a mechanical arm, which reached out picked up the bin, raised it over the top of the truck, and inverted the bin. The result was the contents of both sides falling out and becoming mixed together as they fell down towards and then into the opening in the top of the truck.

  67. SierraRose – we have different trash days for regular and recyclable trash. Although I know in some areas of the country, you are dead right, some place, like where I live, actually do recycle.

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