An editor of has declared that any pity for the Palestinians in Gaza is “unethical and immoral.” The editorial by Adi Dvir appeared in Israel’s largest newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, on January 4, 2009 as the international community has complained about civilians deaths in the campaign and the United States blocked a United Nations resolution calling for an end of all hostilities.
Adi Divr writes:
To pity the people of Gaza is to patronize them, in essence implying that they do not control their fate, the state of their government, or their own actions. It is to assume one of two things: Either that Gazans are too stupid to oust the cancerous Hamas presence in their midst, or that they are unable to do so.
A bit harsh I’d say. It is hard to view the current bombing campaign as a sign of respect.
I am sympathetic to Israel’s loss of patience over the incessant rocket attacks from Hamas areas. No country is expected to remain silent as such attacks occur. These rockets kill indiscriminately, including the recent tragedy where Palestinian rockets killed Palestinian children in Gaza. However, it is hard to see how this campaign is going to help end those hostilities. There is growing concern over excessive force, such as the killing of Iman al-Ham and the destruction of an entire apartment building to kill a Hamas leader. There are reports that Israel is using sound bombs and even calling homes to warn civilians before such attacks to reduce civilian fatalities, click here.
What is clear is that columns like those by Adi Dvir show how detached people have become to the suffering of people on the other side of the conflict. The columnist goes on to say “[j]ust as a crying baby who only elicits pity will continue to cry, the citizens of Gaza will continue to cry out to the world instead of taking matters into their own hands.” The total absence of any sense of humanity is all too familiar in this part of the world.
For those sane Israelis who support this operation, the condemnation of Adi Dvir should be shift and loud.
For the column, click here.
Wayne,
I mean what I say. I imply with precision. Your INFERENCE is the problem here. Perhaps raff is right. You often seem a bit thin skinned, but especially in this thread. I am not your enemy unless you are a Neocon, then it’s on. While I sometimes find your posts misguided, I do not list you as Neocon as you have not acted demonstrably evil. However, if I have a problem with YOU, I will address YOU. My initial statement was just that: a comment made in an open room to no one in particular. It was your choice to infer I was talking to you – a sign of defensiveness as well as an improper inference. I’m not one of the bears you want to poke either. I don’t fear a criminal Unitary Executive or threats of prosecution from a government I consider illegitimate until Bush/Chenney is punished. I certainly don’t fear calling you out if I have a problem. That being said, the assertion that sympathy for Palestinians is immoral and unethical is ridiculous in toto and on it’s face. That’s pure Neocon Likhud propaganda bullshit from word one. By this argument, it was immoral and unethical to protest the Holocaust. Supporting a displaced and persecuted population is supporting a displaced and persecuted population. This is a fascist tactic – denigrate the population you want to attack as to create a (false) justification and attempt to garner sympathy to your cause by creating a feeling of inclusion. You remember all those photos of pre-WWII Germany with the shop windows painted with the word “Juden” or other colorful bits about those hook-nosed baby killers were bad for the Homeland? Same thing. And you should know better.
Thank you rafflaw and CEJ.
I made a mistake by not confirming the authenticity of the video at the link. At the time I posted the link, there were 400 deaths reported and verifications that the Israelis targeted mosques and markets. All such reports that were later documented as factual.
The person who posted the first video disingenuously took advantage of the current facts by substituting the dated 2005 video as his “proof” of the carnage. Therefore, there was an Israeli bombing at a main Gaza market within the last 2 days resulting in numerous civilian deaths and casualties. The 2005 video was taken at a Gaza market, but Hamas was responsible for an “accidental” explosion of weaponry resulting in similar civilian deaths and casualties.
The Norwegian doctor’s video provided by CBS is virtually unimpeachable. One of the problems is that reliable information is unavailable because the Israelis are forbidding foreign war correspondents from entering Gaza. The official Israeli news stated that the hospital the Norwegian doctor was speaking from was harboring Hamas terrorists and the entire hospital staff vehemently denied that accusation (from the NBC Nightly News).
Actually you were discussing Gaza;
I just like to watch!
Does anyone else remember Peter Sellers in “Being There”?
I really don’t know why-
I care for you all so much but I do…
…something about living vicariously…
FFLEO you are a gentleman!
Jill you are truly kind!
Lindylou You are wise in choosing to remain an earth mother!
Everybody else: You know one must be bold to be on The Turley Team!
There is no “us” or “them” (excepting trolls) you are all Regulars!
As “Regulars” recognize tomorrow/today is a new day and nothing has been said which was so awful that can be overcome.
We have only been discussing Gaza we are not living in Gaza!
It seems to me that there are only two possible solutions to the I/P problem, genocide or ethnic cleansing. The only question is whether it is Israelis genociding or cleansing Palestinians or vice-versa.
Whichever way it is is it needs to be done with much greater speed so the rest of us can stop arguing about it.
Former Federal LEO
1, January 5, 2009 at 10:57 pm
“However, after the recent ad hominem posts, I do not know why they would want their names associated with this site in any way given the degenerating basal discussions. ”
More like “anal” discussions.
Here. Allow me to summarize this or any thread I dare to voice an opposing comment (or any comment at all for that matter).
Behold.
The Muse Calliope.
Waynebro:
“I was trying to steer you away from your philosophical argument because you for some reason were failing to mention that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. Hamas hold 70 seats in Gaza on the Palestinian Council. More than half of Gaza residents voted for Hamas, so therefore your disinterested third party routine falls flat.”
No, you’re reasoning from part to whole, aka employing the fallacy of composition. Simply because a portion of the Gaza government is aggressive towards Israel, it does not follow that Gaza itself is the aggressor. Thus the entire world states in its papers that Hamas, and not Gaza, has been attacking Israel; and Israel, in an anemic defense of its attacks, claims that it is ONLY targeting Hamas and not Gaza.
The proportionality argument is nothing more than a polite/chicken-shit way of objecting to this very problem. Part of the beauty of logic is that it doesn’t give a rat’s ass about walking on egg-shells for fear of being deemed an anti-semite.
“Hamas represents the Gaza majority and that doesn’t support your reasoning.”
Israel itself never claimed that it was attacked by Gaza; thus the papers of the world all read that Israel is responding to attacks by Hamas.
Former Fed.
The Trolls don’t live in the real world where facts and reality matter. Don’t waste your time with them. The rest of us here know you and your quality work on this site.
Yes, I did post a link to the video and I am the only person on this site who was guilty because no one else ever responded specifically to the video. However, I am not a liberal. I am likely the only conservative Republican who posts on this blawg; therefore, your ad nauseum “Liberal Blogosphere Duped By 3-Year-Old ‘Gaza Bombing Video” does not pertain to this “liberal” blawg, but applies only to me individually, as a conservative and not as a liberal.
You need to view the follow-up 2nd video link on the Wal-Mart post (where I posted the 1st video link) about the Gazan civilian deaths documented by a Norwegian ER doctor. The 200 deaths (total-to-date) mentioned in the 2nd official CBS video far exceeded the deaths documented in the original video you reference.
Why didn’t you post to the one Wal-Mart post where it would have been relevant instead of posting within numerous other threads here?
Former Federal LEO
1, January 5, 2009 at 10:57 pm
“Such discussions are disrespectful to Professor Turley. There are several bona fide attorneys—as evidenced by their websites—who post here using their real names”
I never said anything about Professor Turley in that respect, so please do not disrespect him (or me) by implying that I did.
Nor did I ever suggest that there weren’t “several bona fide attorneys” here.
Patty just happens to not be among them.
Former Federal LEO:
Former Federal LEO:
Former Federal LEO:
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
Liberal Blogosphere Duped By 3-Year-Old ‘Gaza Bombing Video’
By Noel Sheppard | January 5, 2009 – 15:17
Just how badly do many liberal bloggers want to depict Israelis as heartless killers and Hamas as poor defenseless victims?
On Sunday, a more than three year old video of an accidental munitions truck explosion at a Palestinian rally in September 2005 was spread around the liberal blogosphere as footage of an Israeli attack on Gaza on January 3, 2009.
Two prominent leftwing websites — Raw Story and Democratic Underground — displayed this video for hours before a poster at Reddit exposed the hoax (h/t NBer Blazer).
Former Federal LEO:
Former Federal LEO:
Former Federal LEO:
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
YOU POSTED A LINK TO A FRAUDULENT STORY CLAIMING ISRAELIS ATROCITIES AND YOU OWE AN APOLOGY!
Liberal Blogosphere Duped By 3-Year-Old ‘Gaza Bombing Video’
By Noel Sheppard | January 5, 2009 – 15:17
Just how badly do many liberal bloggers want to depict Israelis as heartless killers and Hamas as poor defenseless victims?
On Sunday, a more than three year old video of an accidental munitions truck explosion at a Palestinian rally in September 2005 was spread around the liberal blogosphere as footage of an Israeli attack on Gaza on January 3, 2009.
Two prominent leftwing websites — Raw Story and Democratic Underground — displayed this video for hours before a poster at Reddit exposed the hoax (h/t NBer Blazer).
Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs reported early Sunday:
A gruesome propaganda video uploaded to LiveLeak that purported to show the aftermath of an IDF attack on civilians in Gaza turned out to be a fraud—it actually shows the results of an accidental explosion of a truck full of Hamas rockets at a Palestinian rally.
This didn’t stop the video from reaching the top spot on reddit.com and gaining more than 2,000 up votes, because reddit.com is absolutely infested with antisemites and terror supporters: GRAPHIC Video of Israel Defense Force’s attack on Gaza civilian market — originally uploaded on & banned by YouTube (NSFW) : politics.
Raw Story issued a correction Sunday:
On Sunday, RAW STORY ran video of a bombing in Gaza purported to be recent footage leaked from an exiled Palestinian blogger. We removed the video from the site early Sunday and issued a correction but the original was deleted in a database without the actual html file being removed, so the original persisted through Monday morning without our notice.
The footage is the aftermath of a devastating bombing taking place in a market, said to have been taken on Saturday. According to Haitham Sabbah, it was taken “immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for food to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009.”
Raw Story has removed its original article on this matter, but Question Everything still has the text:
As Israel’s IDF wages it’s [sic] own “media war” via Twitter and YouTube, uncensored footage from Palestine has been completely blacked out in the US.
Until now.
Saturday, before Israel launched a full-scale invasion of Gaza, a Palestinian with a camera witnessed a devastating bombing. His video shows the brutal, bloody results of an air strike on what appears to be a civilian area.
In the footage, scores of bodies – men, women and children – lay strewn about a Gaza market as abject chaos spirals around them. Some struggle to their feet, covered in concrete powder and blood, as others assess their injuries or join the effort to carry away wounded.
Within moments, men in camouflage holding automatic weapons and RPGs assert a growing number among the citizenry. The men, presumably affiliated with Hamas, appear to be helping with crowd control and medical response.
The source of this video was Haitham Sabbah, a self-proclaimed “Palestinian activist and blogger.”
Although he too has updated his blog to reflect his error, this is what he originally wrote concerning this video:
This video clip was taken with a mobile camera immediately after a terrorist Israeli air strike hit a busy market where kids with their mothers and fathers were searching for foot to eat from one of the local markets early on Saturday 03, Jan 2009, Gaza.
As you will see, there are no words to describe the terror of the Jewish state of Israhell. This is why Israel is continuously refusing to allow foreign correspondence and reporters from entering Gaza.
Please spread the video widely. Let the world see what their news TV channels won’t show about reality of Israel. (YouTube deleted the video minutes after it was uploaded, but it is worth trying again).
Get the code for the video to embed on your blog from: http://sabbah.blip.tv/#1642223.
I guess that’s all it takes to get anti-Israeli propaganda spread throughout the liberal blogosphere these days.
How sad.
Such discussions are disrespectful to Professor Turley. There are several bona fide attorneys—as evidenced by their websites—who post here using their real names. However, after the recent ad hominem posts, I do not know why they would want their names associated with this site in any way given the degenerating basal discussions.
Obviously there are some very talented people who frequent this blawg; however, and we are letting the banal aspects of human nature denigrate the otherwise exemplary intelligences of most participants.
Please ignore those you do not like.
I wonder if the Professor has any of that wine left from this morning. I really doubt it.
Yea. That sounds just like a “Physician”.
A “Physician trained in Psychiatry”.
Particularly one who holds a concurrent law degree.
Sure. Makes perfect sense.
Wait. What’s that sound? “Paging Doctor Patty to the I C U”
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ICU
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That I am not “one of” you is not in doubt. I am definitely not one of “you”. Nor your sheepish friend the mespo, who hides under your skirts and takes a swing when he sees an opening.
No, I’m not one of “you”.
You’ve fooled a lot of people Patty. A lot of people think you’re really what you claim. A physician. An attorney. A scholar.
But not me. I know you for what you are and have all along. That’s why you hate me. That’s why you stalk me and have all along. Because I see you.
I know why you won’t post your photo.
I know why you post endless recipes.
I know what you are.
And that drives you nuts.
Which is why you cannot help yourself from stalking me.
Because I see you.
And your little dog too.
Funny a guy hiding behind his keyboard, too afraid to post his own photo, is busy blabbering to another blogger who likewise hides behind her\his keyboard likewise being too afraid to post a photo, about “identities”.
You all want to be part of a group where you don’t ‘fit’ – exactly.
What do you want me to say?
You can hang on the fringes, peer over the edges, but you are not one of ‘us’, are you? And you know it, don’t you?
Sorry.
Watch, listen,and learn.
Patty C:
Just a small question for your consideration. Can it really be an insult when the purported victim insists on repeating it everywhere he goes? I think you nailed his identity long ago while I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Your intuition was right AGAIN. I stand in awe of your Bartlebee detector.