Many of us have been alarmed by the obvious effort of the Obama staff to avoid any investigation of confirmed war crimes by the Bush Administration in the torture program. Obama and Attorney General nominee Eric Holder have been suggesting that a war crime investigation would be “uncivil” and “looking backwards.” It has not gone over well since torture is a crime under eight treaties and statutes. Now, General Michael V. Hayden claims that Obama secretly promised him that there would be no war crimes investigation or prosecution in a meeting in Chicago.
Hayden’s role in this growing controversy is particularly distressing for civil libertarians. Not only does it confirm signals coming from the Obama camp since the election, but Hayden has been a particularly dark figure in the unlawful surveillance and torture programs, including statements that have been criticized as knowingly misleading or outright false.
Hayden had a closed door meeting with Obama last month in Chicago. He said Obama made it clear that the Bush Administration and CIA staff have nothing to worry about. “He’s looking forward,” Hayden said, “and that’s very appropriate.” If true, it would be confirmation of a bait-and-switch by the democrats. For years, the Democrats insisted that they could not act on torture until they controlled Congress. Once they were given both houses of Congress, Democrats insisted that they could not do anything without control of the White House. When they won the White House, the Democrats insisted that there was not enough time before Inauguration. Now, they are insisting that they must “look to the future: and notably not to the war crimes in the immediate past.
Democrats believe that they have nothing to gain personally and politically from prosecuting war crimes. They have been trying to sell people on yet another meaningless commission as a substitute for prosecution.
Not surprisingly, Obama aides are denying the story, here.
Of course, there is a very easy way to dispel any such rumors. Obama simply needs to say that any war crimes will be investigated and, if evidence if found of such crimes, prosecuted. That is what it means when Obama and Holder repeatedly say “no one is above the law.” The fact that they have struggled to simply commit themselves to enforce the law is highly worrisome and only serves to confirm the Hayden story.
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I’d give you a better reply than that, but that’s all your lazy, weak bullshit deserves.
Spamming moron.
Buddha Is Laughing:
“And for the record, I can’t stand MSNBC. Almost as much as I can’t stand spamming morons.”
…
My mind drifts back to a scene from one of my favorite episodes of The Simpsons…
[Phone rings]
Homer: Hello, is this NASA?
Scientist: Yes?
Homer: Good! Listen: I’m sick of your boring space launches. Now
I’m just an ordinary, blue-collar slob, but I know what I likes on TV.
Scientist: How did you get this number?
Homer: Shut up! And another thing: how come I can’t get no Tang ’round here?
…
[Homer’s next phone call from Moe’s is to the President of the United States.]
Homer: Hello, is this President Clinton? Good! I figured if anyone knew where to get some Tang, it’d be you. …Shut up!
Why does MSNBC etc. feel the need to keep repeating himself, particularly since he does not appear to have anything to say the first time around? One correction is in order. The reason Bush will not issue pardons has nothing to do with his recognition of his own crimes. It is simply that he is convinced that Congress’ complicity over the years has rendered it morally powerless to do anything.
Jill,
Thank you and I hope I am right also.
rafflaw,
I hope you are right! My best to your new grandson and family!!!
LindyLou,
That is evil and very funny!!!
Jill,
I dunno– if these are programmed trolls, they might not be enough like real human trolls if they are given too much depth. These guys are believable!
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if that really was Rove, although I can also imagine how someone who really resembled Karl Rove would be a little afraid of going into town. If there’s a liberal who looks like Rove, that could be life of hell. Although, think of the places he could infiltrate.
The trolls are expanding their numbers. Unfortunately, even though they are good at duplicating their numbers and names, they are still best at writing nonsense.
Jill,
If my sense is correct(and that is a big IF)Obama won’t say anything until after he is sworn in. He can sit and wait for the Congressional investigations to bring up the juicy details and not get in their way. I would love to hear him say it, but I can be patient for a little longer.
Muslim With Ties to Hamas to Address Inaugural Prayer Service
Reuters 1/18/09
A Muslim religious leader with ties to the terrorist group Hamas is scheduled to address President Barack Obama’s inaugural prayer service on Wednesday.
Given the recent hostilities in Israel surrounding Hamas, irrespective of a just-announced ceasefire, one has to wonder how much attention this matter will get from Obama-loving media which are also largely pro-Palestinian.
Although Politico is getting credit for breaking this story, the American Thinker appears to have been the first to unveil the truth behind Ingrid Mattson Saturday.
Reuters will be updating this story as more information becomes available.
Underneath EVERY disappointment is something left unsaid.
AND it cuts both ways…
I happen to think ‘WE’, the people, have a better chance with this guy,
is all…
Hayden was the person who told the Senate Intelligence Committee that KSM had been waterboarded. Sometimes, lying bastards tell the truth. This is intelligence gaming at a very high level. I think it does bear keeping in mind that Obama made essentially the same claim in public before this leak, that JT is correct to point out that Obama could clear it all up with one statement, but hasn’t done so. Keep up the pressure. If Obama is having doubts, he needs to hear from us. If he is waiting to act, he needs to know the people are with him.
‘Patty C: Your optimism is important; however, appearances are that we citizens must ‘force’ Mr. Obama to employ the legally and morally correct actions to ensure due process.’
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Would someone please explain to FFLEO where I stand on this particular issue?
JT? Mespo?… 😉
p.s. Might I suggest, FFLEO, unless you live in D.C., you contact your
Representatives ie Congressional, as well as Senatorial members, Governor, AG, AND your local,’Grassroots’, Reps – especially.
Believe it or not, that’s where ‘it’ all begins…
…on the local level.
OBAMA STINKS ACCORDING TO HUGO CHAVEZ!
Venezuela’s Chavez says Obama has “stench” of Bush
CAMPO CARABOBO, Venezuela (Reuters) – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday Barack Obama had the “stench” of his predecessor as U.S. president.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE50G2F420090117
Guess the world isn’t going to embrace the “Messiah”………..so that makes pretty much everybody mocking Obama; Iran, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela, the Taliban, Bin Laden, China, Yemen, oh, did I forget to mention Zimbabwe….
I spoke with a woman today who is an expert at creating virtual identities. One way to do this is by creating a program that simulates a person. I would guess these are our trolls. We need updated, more complex simulated persons! Get moving cheneybush programmers!!!
LindyLou,
A while back I was in Ann Arbor and I swear I saw Karl Rove. He was all jumpy and ducking in and out of a portico downtown. I wonder if it was him. It sure looked like him and he seemed really nervous. Maybe he was afraid he would be extradited to Canada!
When I read the posts of these MSNBC trolls, for some reason I envision Karl Rove bouncing off the walls, having heard one too many Ole, Sven, and Lena joke.
And for the record, I can’t stand MSNBC. Almost as much as I can’t stand spamming morons.
Venezuela’s Chavez says Obama has “stench” of Bush
CAMPO CARABOBO, Venezuela (Reuters) – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday Barack Obama had the “stench” of his predecessor as U.S. president.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE50G2F420090117
Guess the world isn’t going to embrace the “Messiah”………..so that makes pretty much everybody mocking Obama; Iran, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela, the Taliban, Bin Laden, China, Yemen, oh, did I forget to mention Zimbabwe….
Get jobs? rofl
He’s a war criminal and a traitor and YOU back him.
What does that make you?
I’m not sure, but I know one thing for sure. It’s disqualifies you from having a valid opinion on what is legal or ethical. Much less a valid opinion of anyone here’s employment status.
You are Total MORONS! the lot of you! Bush won’t pardon Cheney, etc and/or “himself” because HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG! You friggin two bit losers are out there in Maddow/Olbermann BANANALAND with the rest of the 1 percenters in America.
Here is a tip: GET JOBS.
Total MORONS! the lot of you! Bush won’t pardon Cheney, etc and/or “himself” because HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG! You friggin two bit losers are out there in Maddow/Olbermann BANANALAND with the rest of the 1 percenters in America.
Here is a tip: GET JOBS.