North Dakota appears intent on triggering another round of litigation in the hopes of overturning Roe v. Wade. North Dakota’s House of Representatives has voted 51-41 to declare that a fertilized egg has all the rights of any person. The vote would make abortion murder.
Minot Republican Dan Ruby previously sponsored other bills banning abortion but they all failed. Strangely , Ruby argues that the bill is compatible with Roe v. Wade: “This is the exact language that’s required by Roe v. Wade. It stipulated that before a challenge can be made, we have to identify when life begins, and that’s what this does.” That is a pretty convenient reading of the case and its progeny of cases. It misses the repeated holdings that states cannot deny a woman the right to choose in such cases.
With Democrats in control, some activists may view this Supreme Court as the best they are going to get for some time. Before any further changes occur, they may want to try one more time to further narrow or outright overturn Roe.
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By my analysis (and Mike’s), I am neither the one suffering nor the fool. My record of analysis speaks for itself. Mike is a heavy hitter too. Have a nice day, indeed.
“The wrath of God shall know no bounds for sinners and blasphemers, the eye of the storm is at hand and all that enter be wary. Rise up you wrecthed cur so I can smite thee from above with lightning and sulphur. Lay no hand on those that rest peacefully in the womb or suffer as they do.”
Christian,
If you understood the teacher, teachings and his gospels that you purport to follow you might realize why the above is the statement of a fool. Have a nice day.
blah blah blah psycho
Bobesq:
you are a man of mature thought and one of our own although not to the point of “I knew you before you were born” i see. But alas I can suffer the fool Buddha for men such as yourself.
Buddha:
I have adopted 3 and my wife and I are looking to adopt a 4th God willing. So my fat little savant I do indeed practice what I preach.
The wrath of God shall know no bounds for sinners and blasphemers, the eye of the storm is at hand and all that enter be wary. Rise up you wrecthed cur so I can smite thee from above with lightning and sulphur. Lay no hand on those that rest peacefully in the womb or suffer as they do.
Although I’ll have to confess, the image of Jesus teaching a bunch of formaldehyde bottled fetuses at the Sermon on the Mount makes me giggle.
“And so I say unto thee . . . Mary, Peter, look, I just don’t think this is working.”
“Come on, Big J! Give it a shot.”
“I don’t know, Peter, I’ve been teaching for quite awhile and . . . they aren’t very receptive. I’m not even sure they can hear.”
“Mary is right, Peter. And the way they just float there is creepy. No, Peter, I think I’m going over the hill there to that group of adults getting ready to eat that goat. They look ripe for teaching! Let’s try to make their lives better today instead of talking to this, this, well, this bunch of meat in stinky liquid. I’m thinking their ox cart has left the station so to speak.”
“Or perhaps not arrived yet.”
“Good point Mary. But you know what I mean, Peter. I’m about a better today for those already in Dad’s creation, not a might have been better today.”
“Ok, ok, but in thousands of years, this is going to be trouble.”
William Blackstone:
“The right of personal security consists in a person’s legal and uninterrupted enjoyment of his life, his limbs, his body, his health, and his reputation.
1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb. For if a woman is quick with child, and by a potion, or otherwise, killeth it in her womb; or if any one beat her, whereby the child dieth in her body, and she is delivered of a dead child; this, though not murder, was by the antient law homicide or manslaughter. But at present it is not looked upon in quite so atrocious a light, though it remains a very heinous misdemesnor.”
(William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:120–41)
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendIXs1.html
N.B. It is not until after the first trimester that a woman begins to feel any ‘stirring’ within the womb.
They take up no space, consume no consumables, don’t organize, and like most creatures with dead or decaying brains hold to Republican values. It’ll sail through.
Mespo, you made my day!
Just out of curiosity, won’t that ND legislation open up a lot of grounds for liability? Every woman of childbearing years who dies of trauma could potentially be carrying an heir with full rights, including insurance payments?
Also, how will that effect the tax law. Wouldn’t that mean that a pregnant woman would be able to write claim the unborn child before he/she is born?
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Oh, I think I hurt myself. 😀
Yeah, defending a differentiated cell mass at the cost of existing people’s well being is very Christian.
You want all the unwanted children of the world to care for and feed? The children of rape and incest? The children of mistake that the parent’s love is not in question but their ability to raise one is? Post your name and address so the orphanages and adoption agencies can place them. We’ll send them all to your house.
What’s that? You don’t? Too busy raising the next generation of myopic pseudo-Christians that came from your own polluted loins to care for some sinner’s kid? It’s not your responsibility? It’s just your responsibility to ruin others lives by forcing your BELIEF on them?
Yeah. That’s just what I thought. Because when it comes time to walk the walk, your lot is always just talk. Jesus lived in a time where infant mortality was sky high. Dead and stillborn babies were not a shock to them. They knew you weren’t alive until, duh, you were alive on your own. And I got a clue for you – Jesus wasn’t teaching zygotes, he was teaching full blown viable outside the womb humans. I’m thinking the actually living were more his realm of concern, not enforcing YOUR twisted dogma on others.
Thanks for providing another example of People Misusing Jesus’ Teaching Because They Are Stupid To The End.
Finally a legislature that gets it. Protection of the unborn should be paramount.
All those priests warnings about “spilling your seed” are being proved half correct!
The North Dakota legislators will soon unanimously vote to overturn the current official state song then changing it to “It’s a Small World (After All)”
I, for one, welcome out Blastocyst-American overlords.
Will this mean that fertilized eggs could inherit?
George Carlin pointed out some of the problems this terrible decision will cause. I would repeat them here but I think he makes the point better and certainly funnier.
For the largest part of human history, it wasn’t a person until it could survive UNASSISTED outside the womb. That’s why Englash has words like “stillborn” and “miscarriage”. Nothing has changed except that some think they can force their “belief” down your throat against nature. If it’s not yet viable, it’s not yet a person. It a growth with potential for life. Period. To take it to the Bill Hicks extreme, “Hey, they’re not people until they are in my phone book.”
The abortion issue is a hard one to wrap your mind around. When I was in college I used to argue about it with a catholic buddy who was anti abortion we would go round and round. he had a couple of good arguments against it and I had a couple of arguments for it. But when I had my first child things took on a whole different perspective and I am very conflicted about it. On the one hand you have potential life and on the other you have life with potential. The rights of the individual vs the rights of the state (the state could go either way – restricting abortion completely or requiring abortion). I suppose in the end you must give more consideration to the rational being. But do you limit abortion to a certain trimester, how do you determine when life begins? It most certainly begins at conception in the biological sense, but most children are not aware of themselves as individual conscious beings until they are between 2 and 3 and most of us would agree that we dont kill babies after they are born.
In the end it is probably best left to the individual. But even here there is room for argument, has the individual gotten arguments and information from each side of the aisle and made a serious effort to understand all facets? In the final analysis I am glad I am not a women and will never have to make that choice.
If the citizens of ND vote idiots like that into office perhaps they deserve idiotic laws. Perhaps they thing that by doing this they will raise the collective IQ of the state. I doubt that it would lower it.
The fertilized eggs are probably the best constituents these Republican radicals have. It may sail through the ND legislature, but hopefully the courts will slap them down. I think maybe ND is just trying to increase their census numbers so that they can claim more stimulus money.
I’m sending a piece of legislation to the ND House requiring that all ghosts residing (or even purportedly residing) within the territorial boundaries of the state be considered citizens for census and economic stimulus package and all other purposes purposes. It has no downside. The constituents don’t exist so no dissent. You can’t read their ballots because unless they’re Patrick Swayze, their writings or movements aren’t visible. They take up no space, consume no consumables, don’t organize, and like most creatures with dead or decaying brains hold to Republican values. It’ll sail through.
Should we now officially refer to the North Dakota House as simply the College of Cardinals?