The controversy over President Barack Obama continues with an interesting twist: Maj. Gen. Carroll Dean Childers (ret.) and active U.S. Air Force reservist Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff are supporting the litigation. On July 8th, Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed the suit July 8th in federal court demanding conscientious objector status and a preliminary injunction based upon his claim that President Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. He argued that, since Obama cannot serve as president of the United States, he cannot order him to deploy as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.
What is curious is the decision by the military to suddenly revoke the deployment orders of Cook. That served to fuel the growing movement spreading this rumor. The government is now claiming that the lawsuit is “moot” since Cook doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan. Cook in turn has added a claim to this lawsuit that he was retaliated against for his lawsuit after he was terminated at Simtech Inc., a Department of Defense contractor.
The addition of a retired major general and active colonel will have more of a promotional and legal benefit for these litigants. It was an unfortunate decision to revoke these orders. The Administration should have fought the lawsuit on the merits rather than try to moot the matter. The optics are perfect for those alleging a grand conspiracy to conceal Obama’s birth certificate (which has been viewed as third parties) and hide his alleged foreign born status.
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Hey Slart, remember the old adage, it’s better to have it and not need it then it is to need it and not have it. Just sayin, The govt just bought a boat load of swine flu vaccines, 195 million doses. If you haven’t seen my post on those you need to see them. The boxes come with a warning: Buyer beware
Mike S writes: GWLSM,
What I was doing was done for my fun and was quite purposeful. Many people get away with being disingenuous because people, generally thinking well of others, do not confront the lies and just focus on the arguments. Jim was getting far too much pleasure playing his games and my purpose was to disturb his fun with some fun of my own. To be honest I think I nailed who he is which is a Federalist Society type, who hates the President and therefore attempts to discredit him with the “big lie” technique. As you suggested he may well be an intelligent racist, as if that isn’t an oxymoron. I made him uncomfortable and he finally refused to engage with me.
me: I think you were generally thoughtful, calm and deliberate in your posts. Don’t think that I was criticizing you — I wasn’t. Jim and people like him love to see how many people they can get to jump up and down and then try to make them jump faster, or on one leg. I’m glad you had fun. the big lie is a useful advertising tool, but worse than the lie is the myth.
you: He didn’t finally quit though because of me. Vince, Mike A Bob and SBF (sorry guy your pseudonym is just to long and for some reason I can’t memorize the spelling)just completely demolished every argument he proffered and he finally was too frustrated by it. Someone like Jim is not used to being challenged because you can bet in personal conversation he is a bully. Nevertheless, he rose above troll in my estimation because he at least has some ability to think. However, I am quite serious in believing that the birther movement is pushing either towards assassination, or coup, or both. This offends me and fills me with dread and loathing.
me: of course he didn’t quit because of you. he does this from time to time as we’ve already seen. this time his departure was quite operatic with the :Prof will have to invite me back: nonsense. he’ll be back when he thinks that there is something to come back for.
i never thought he was a troll. I just think that his ideas and opinions can be narrow and not well thought out. maybe he is a bully. maybe he just writes like one.
Slart,
Have you ever been to Lem’s official website? http://english.lem.pl/ There’s a gallery of his drawings. I’m fascinated by doodles of people known for their creativity in other areas. His are fantastic, and remind me of some underground graphic novel’s I’ve seen (yup, I’m that much of a geek). Stravinski’s doodles may be my favorite though, there’s a REALLY cool series of geographic interpretations of famous composers music.
Gyges,
I couldn’t agree with you more about scifi (don’t get me started about SyFy).
Mike S,
No worries about the name, it’s not important. I only use the first letter of your last name anyway…
Bdaman,
Make sure you and BVM pack enough supplies into your doom bunker.
Jim B,
Goodbye. Sorry that your ideas were so thoroughly and completely refuted (and thanks to Vince et al. for refuting them). Better luck next time.
“There are two scenarios that FEMA is concerned with. These two scenarios has promted FEMA to produce a document called the C and R report.”
bdaman,
I have more respect for you than I do the ravings of BVM. Understand though he is talking about a military coup to remove the President and take over the country. I’m not a fan of FEMA by any means, but I think you are talking about two different things.
“Byrne: “I will return if/when personally invited to do so from Professor Turley. Good day.”
Now why would JT bother to do that. Exactly what does this guy think he offered?
“Me: Mike. this is the way I see it. everyone needs a hobby and this is Jim’s. It’s also my hobby and there have been lots of folk here who dont care for my opinions either.”
GWLSM,
What I was doing was done for my fun and was quite purposeful. Many people get away with being disingenuous because people, generally thinking well of others, do not confront the lies and just focus on the arguments. Jim was getting far too much pleasure playing his games and my purpose was to disturb his fun with some fun of my own. To be honest I think I nailed who he is which is a Federalist Society type, who hates the President and therefore attempts to discredit him with the “big lie” technique. As you suggested he may well be an intelligent racist, as if that isn’t an oxymoron. I made him uncomfortable and he finally refused to engage with me.
He didn’t finally quit though because of me. Vince, Mike A Bob and SBF (sorry guy your pseudonym is just to long and for some reason I can’t memorize the spelling)just completely demolished every argument he proffered and he finally was too frustrated by it. Someone like Jim is not used to being challenged because you can bet in personal conversation he is a bully. Nevertheless, he rose above troll in my estimation because he at least has some ability to think. However, I am quite serious in believing that the birther movement is pushing either towards assassination, or coup, or both. This offends me and fills me with dread and loathing.
There are two scenarios that FEMA is concerned with. These two scenarios has promted FEMA to produce a document called the C and R report. This document was said to have been circulated among senior members of congress including Nancy Pelosi. It’s called C and R because C stands for Conflict and R stands for Revolt, these are the two scenarios. Under the conflict scenario, this is where the United States defaults on the loans made by China and other countries and the United States effectively cancels it’s debt starting a major conflict with those countries. If anyone believes that China just lent us money under the current economic conditions as a goodwill gesture, I got news for you. China recieved assurances, plus collateral.
The R scenario is one where taxes are levied at such a high rate that Americans in this country revolt.(can you say T-Party) Now it has been said that these bills (cap and trade, health care) that are trying to be passed, are tax generating bills. The money collected from higher taxes would go quickly to pay down the debt. This maybe why they are trying to rush everything thru without reading it.
Just a note: The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team known as BCT to the Northern Command’s U.S. Army North will augment FEMA and federal law enforcement. This Brigade will be given the Army’s full arsenal of non-lethal weapons to train with. These weapons are designed for command and control of unruly crowds or mass protesters.
You guys give BVM a hard time but he knows what he is talking about. FEMA NLE 09 starts next week. They are preparing for a wide range of scenarios. Even if you do not live in a hurricane prone area stock up on your provisions. Martial law is just around the corner. Listen to BVM now and believe him later. I may Bdaman but you is daman.
Vince,
I never thought Science Fiction in general translates well to visual media. The focus tends to be too much on “look at how cool this is” as opposed to “look at this great plot that uses fantastic elements to highlight some aspects of humanity.” Lem would tell you that’s just a problem with American Sci-fi in general.
Jim Byrne: “Have fun kids. I have beeter things to do than be personally attacked.”
I didn’t attack you personally, I personally showed you how dumb your argument is.
Byrne: “I will return if/when personally invited to do so from Professor Turley. Good day.”
OK
For bil, gyges and all other science fiction buffs out there, I can now get back to BBC America, Torchwood, Children of Earth, 5-part series this week and DVD by the end of July, maybe SyFy later. Great, great TV SF.
Jim Byrne writes: Yes it would. I would hold the same position.
me: where were you 8 years ago? 4 years ago? 16 years ago? ever think to check that Bush’s BC was valid? reagan’s?
no. of course not. they looked american. they talked american. they were/are white. oh and republicans. right thinking men. uptight. just your kind of guys.
Have fun kids. I have beeter things to do than be personally attacked.
If you want to have a group of “pile-ons”, that is your choice, and Professor Turley’s choice.
I will return if/when personally invited to do so from Professor Turley.
Good day.
Bob esq
next time… a spew warning, please…although it is jon stewart so I should have known that my cosmopolitan would be sprayed all over my computer screen.
There is another legal concept: a distinction without a legal difference. The distinction between natural born subject and natural born citizen is a distinction without a difference, since the terms citizen and subject in context meant the same thing.
The courts are not likely to limit an inquiry about NBC to exact matches, and will usually look for legal substance rather than verbal form in resolving an issue.
Also, “natural born” may well be the legal term of art here.
By the way
With 49 States having assented to Hawaii’s assertion that Obama is a natural born citizen…
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.
Assuming you had the same standing as a State on the issue you attempt to raise, your argument fails to rise any higher than multiple forms of argumentum ad ignorantiam. 50 dollar philospher speak for horse shi+.
Bob,Esq.,
“You on the other hand suffer from the delusion that you, as an individual, enjoy as much standing as a State with equal footing as the 13 Original Colonies. Get over yourself.”
Where did you get the idea that I have claimed standing?
Jim Byrne posted a legal discussion, starting with “A term of art is a word or phrase that has a particular meaning….”
I liked it better at one of the many websites where the verbatim discussion has also appeared, for example:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Term+of+Art
There is another legal term of art that folks should know about: plagiarism.
QUOTE Passing off someone else’s work as your own, whether word for word or merely the creative ideas. This can amount to copyright infringement if permission has not been obtained from the copyright owner for use of the expressive elements of the work. Even if permission is granted, putting your name on someone else’s work is still plagiarism and is unethical within artistic, scientific, academic and political communities. UNQUOTE
Source: http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/F88F0800-C164-445B-8AC254D1108F4E5A/alpha/P/
Jim Byrne:
“The election is not being challenged. Your point is therefore moot.”
While you may have used the term ‘moot,’ you’re not at all familiar with the doctrine of Justiciability are you? How exactly are you harmed in the same degree as the states of this union by Obama not being a NBC?
“Does the Constitution provide for the possibility of one being elected, but not meeting the qualifications? -See the Twentieth Amendment.”
Actually, that did happen in 2000, when SCOTUS appointed Bush thereby triggering the 12th, 20th, 22nd & 25th amendments.
That too would have been a battle between the States; but it didn’t happen.
You on the other hand suffer from the delusion that you, as an individual, enjoy as much standing as a State with equal footing as the 13 Original Colonies. Get over yourself.
Vince asks: Anybody, anybody, out there got a birth certificate that lists the “citizenship” of the parents?
We will wait.
me: just went and checked. nope. just mom’s name and dad’s name. address. little raised seal in corner. place of birth. date and time, footprint. name.
my name, gwlawschoolmom.
anyone want to deport me? tell me I can’t vote?