U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land issued a stern warning to attorney Orly Taitz (left) and others in the so-called “birther” campaign: do not file another such “frivolous” lawsuit or you will face sanctions. Land threw out the lawsuit filed on behalf of Capt. Connie Rhodes who is an Army surgeon challenging her deployment orders due to President Barack Obama’s alleged ineligibility to serve as President. Land (a Bush appointee) noted that “[u]nlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so.”
Land held that “(Rhodes) has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Instead, she uses her complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the president is ‘an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.'”
Land went the extra step of warning Taitz that he may impose sanctions if she files any more “similarly frivolous … actions in this Court.”
Taitz has reportedly responded not with a motion for reconsideration but an interview on local television that Land shows ” a total disrespect for the Constitution of the United States of America.”
and “should be tried for treason with Obama.”
Here is the opinion in full:
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
COLUMBUS DIVISIONCONNIE RHODES,
Plaintiff,
vs.
THOMAS D. MACDONALD, Colonel,
Garrison Commander, Fort
Benning; et al.,
Defendants.CASE NO. 4:09-CV-106 (CDL)
O R D E R
Plaintiff, a Captain in the United States Army, seeks a temporary restraining order to prevent the Army from deploying her to Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Plaintiff alleges that her deployment orders are unconstitutional and unenforceable because President Barack Obama is not constitutionally eligible to act as Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces. After conducting a hearing on Plaintiff’s motion, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s claims are frivolous. Accordingly, her application for
a temporary restraining order (Doc. 3) is denied, and her Complaint is dismissed in its entirety.Furthermore, Plaintiff’s counsel is hereby notified that the filing of any future actions in this Court, which are similarly frivolous, shall subject counsel to sanctions. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 11(c).
BACKGROUND
Plaintiff’s counsel is a self-proclaimed leader in what has become known as “the birther movement.” She maintains that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and, therefore, he is not eligible to be President of the United States. See Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire, [1] http://www.orlytaitzesq.com (last visited Sept. 15, 2009). Counsel has filed numerous lawsuits in various parts of the country seeking a judicial determination as to the President’s legitimacy to hold the office of President. The present action is the second such action filed in this Court in which counsel pursues her “birther claim.” Her modus operandi is to use military officers as parties and have them allege that they should not be required to follow deployment orders because President Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be President. Although counsel has managed to fuel this “birther movement” with her litigation and press conferences, she does not appear to have prevailed on a single claim.[2] In fact, Plaintiff previously filed the present action in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas. That Court summarily dismissed her complaint upon finding that Plaintiff “has no substantial likelihood of success on the merits.” Rhodes v. Gates, 5:09-CV-00703-XR, Order Den. Mot. for TRO 3 (W.D. Tex. Aug. 28, 2009). Counsel then re-filed the same action in this Court.
[1] Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
[2] This Court dismissed an earlier action filed by Plaintiff’s counsel on behalf of a military reservist based upon that plaintiff’s lack of standing. See Cook v. Good, No. 4:09-CV-82 (CDL), 2009 WL 2163535 (M.D. Ga. Jul. 16, 2009).
Plaintiff’s counsel speculates that President Obama was not born in the United States based upon the President’s alleged refusal to disclose publicly an “official birth certificate” that is satisfactory to Plaintiff’s counsel and her followers. She therefore seeks to have the judiciary compel the President to produce “satisfactory” proof that he was born in the United States. Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has been made publicly available which indicates that the President was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. To press her “birther agenda,” Plaintiff’s counsel has filed the present action on behalf of Captain Rhodes. Captain Rhodes entered the Army in March of 2005 and presently serves as a medical doctor. The American taxpayers paid for her third and fourth years of medical school and financially supported her during her subsequent medical internship and residency program. In exchange for this valuable free medical education, Captain Rhodes agreed to serve two years in active service in the Army. She began that term of active service in July of 2008 and had no concerns about fulfilling her military obligation until she received orders notifying her that she would be deployed to Iraq in September of 2009.
Captain Rhodes does not seek a discharge from the Army; nor does she wish to be relieved entirely from her two year active service obligation. She has not previously made any official complaints regarding any orders or assignments that she has received, including orders that have been issued since President Obama became Commander in Chief. But she does not want to go to Iraq (or to any other destination where she may be in harm’s way, for that matter). Her “conscientious objections” to serving under the current Commander in Chief apparently can be accommodated as long as she is permitted to remain on American soil. Captain Rhodes is presently stationed at Ft. Benning, Georgia awaiting deployment to Iraq. This deployment is imminent and will likely occur absent an order from this Court granting Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order.
[3] The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. See Federal Election Commission, Presidential Pre-Nomination Campaign Disbursements Dec. 31, 2008, http://www.fec.gov/press/press2009/20090608Pres/3_2008PresPrimaryCmpgnDis.pdf (last visited Sept. 15, 2009).
Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the President. Press Release, Federal Election Commission, 2008 Presidential Campaign Financial Activity Summarized (June 8, 2009), available at http://www.fec.gov/press/press2009/20090608PresStat.shtml. It would appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office he sought.
Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings, and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office. See H.R. Res. 593, 111th Cong. (2009) (commemorating, by vote of 378-0, the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and stating, “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August
4, 1961”).DISCUSSION
I. Jurisdiction and AbstentionPlaintiff seeks to have this Court declare a deployment order issued by the United States Army void and unenforceable. It is well settled that judicial interference in internal military affairs is disfavored. As the Supreme Court has explained:
[J]udges are not given the task of running the Army. The responsibility for setting up channels through which such grievances can be considered and fairly settled rests upon the Congress and upon the President of the United States and his subordinates. The military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian. Orderly government requires that the judiciary be as scrupulous not to interfere with legitimate Army matters as the Army must be scrupulous not to intervene in judicial matters.
Orloff v. Willoughby, 345 U.S. 83, 93-94 (1953), quoted with approval in Winck v. England, 327 F.3d 1296, 1302-03 (11th Cir. 2003). The limitation on the judiciary’s involvement in military affairs does not mean that such interference is never appropriate. However, “‘a court should not review internal military affairs in the absence of (a) an allegation of the deprivation of a constitutional right, or an allegation that the military has acted in violation of applicable statutes or its own regulations, and (b) exhaustion of available intraservice corrective measures.’” Winck, 327 F.3d at 1303 (quoting Mindes v. Seaman, 453 F.2d 197, 201 (5th Cir. 1971)). Moreover, mere allegations of a constitutional violation unsupported by a reasonable factual foundation are insufficient to warrant judicial review. To hold otherwise would be to create chaos within the military decision-making process and chain of command. As explained below, the Court must balance several factors to determine whether judicial review of a military decision is authorized.
Typically, the first issue to be resolved in cases seeking judicial review of a military decision is whether the soldier has exhausted all intraservice administrative remedies. See Winck, 327 F.3d at 1304. In the present case, Defendants do not contend that Plaintiff was required to exhaust her intraservice administrative remedies, presumably because no procedure is in place for a soldier to contest the qualifications of the Commander in Chief. Defendants do argue, however, that the dispute presented by Plaintiff’s complaint is not justiciable in the courts.
Even if a soldier has exhausted her intraservice administrative remedies, the Court must decline to review the military decision if the review would constitute an inappropriate intrusion into military matters. Id. at 1303 & n.4 (citing Mindes, 453 F.2d at 201). It has long been the law in this Circuit that in determining whether judicial review of a military decision should be undertaken, the reviewing court
‘must examine the substance of that allegation in light of the policy reasons behind nonreview of military matters,’ balancing four factors: (1) ‘The nature and strength of the plaintiff’s challenge to the military determination’; (2) ‘The potential injury to the plaintiff if review is refused’; (3) ‘The type and degree of anticipated interference with the military function’; and (4) ‘The extent to which the exercise of military expertise or discretion is involved.’
Winck, 327 F.3d at 1303 n.4 (quoting Mindes, 453 F.2d at 201). Although certain aspects of the Mindes decision have been eroded through the years, the Eleventh Circuit has relatively recently reaffirmed the “unflagging strength of the principles of comity and judicial noninterference with, and respect for, military operations that informed” the analysis in Mindes. Winck, 327 F.3d at 1304.
[4] It is not always clear whether the analysis of the appropriateness of judicial review of military decisions involves subject matter jurisdiction or abstention principles based on comity and respect for the unique military decision-making process. The Court finds that the proper analysis in this case requires an evaluation of the deployment order using principles of abstention. See Winck, 327 F.3d at 1299-1300 (distinguishing subject matter jurisdiction from abstention principles).
Using the Mindes factors as an analytical framework, the Court finds that it is not authorized to interfere with Plaintiff’s deployment orders. First, Plaintiff’s challenge to her deployment order is frivolous. She has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.” (Compl. ¶ 21.) She continues with bare, conclusory allegations that the President is “an alien, possibly even an unnaturalized or even an unadmitted illegal alien . . . without so much as lawful residency in the United States.” (Id. ¶ 26.) Then, implying that the President is either a wandering nomad or a prolific identity fraud crook, she alleges that the President “might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President.” (Id. ¶ 110 (emphasis added).) Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed fraudulent.” (Id. ¶ 113 (emphasis added).) In further support of her claim, Plaintiff relies upon “the general opinion in the rest of the world” that “Barack Hussein Obama has, in essence, slipped through the guardrails to become President.” (Id. ¶ 128.) Moreover, as though the “general opinion in the rest of the world” were not enough, Plaintiff alleges in her Complaint that according to an “AOL poll 85% of Americans believe that Obama was not vetted, needs to be vetted and his vital records need to be produced.” (Id. ¶ 154.)
Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status. (Id. ¶¶ 136-138, 148.) Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.
Although the Court has determined that the appropriate analysis here involves principles of abstention and not an examination of whether Plaintiff’s complaint fails to state a claim under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6), the Court does find the Rule 12(b)(6) analysis helpful in confirming the Court’s conclusion that Plaintiff’s claim has no merit. To state a claim upon which relief may be granted, Plaintiff must allege sufficient facts to state a claim to relief that is “plausible on its face.” Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 129 S.Ct. 1937, 1949 (2009) (internal quotation marks omitted). For a complaint to be facially plausible, the Court must be able “to draw the reasonable inference that the defendant is liable for the misconduct alleged” based upon a review of the factual content pled by the Plaintiff. Id. The factual allegations must be sufficient “to raise a right to relief above the speculative level.” Bell Atl. Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 555 (2007). Plaintiff’s complaint is not plausible on its face. To the extent that it alleges any “facts,” the Complaint does not connect those facts to any actual violation of Plaintiff’s individual constitutional rights. Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. The weakness of Plaintiff’s claim certainly weighs heavily against judicial review of the deployment order, and in fact, would authorize dismissal of Plaintiff’s complaint for failure to state a claim.[5]
Examining the second Mindes factor, the Court further finds that the risk of potential irreparable injury to Plaintiff as a result of the Court’s refusal to review the deployment order is minimal. Plaintiff has not sought to be excused from all military service. She does not seek a discharge from the Army. She does not even seek to avoid taking military orders under President Obama’s watch. She simply seeks to avoid being deployed to Iraq. As observed by the Eleventh Circuit, one “cannot say that military deployment, in and of itself, necessarily entails [irreparable harm], even if to volatile regions.” Winck, 327 F.3d at 1305 n.9. “Holding otherwise could unduly hamper urgent military operations during times of crisis.” Id. Thus, the lack of potential irreparable harm to Plaintiff weighs against judicial review.
[5] One piece of “evidence” Plaintiff’s counsel relies upon deserves further discussion. Counsel has produced a document that she claims shows the President was born in Kenya, yet she has not authenticated that document. She has produced an affidavit from someone who allegedly obtained the document from a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya by paying “a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while [he] obtained the copy” of the document. (Smith Decl. ¶ 7, Sept. 3, 2009.) Counsel has not, however, produced an original certificate of authentication from the government agency that supposedly has official custody of the document. Therefore, the Court finds that the alleged document is unreliable due to counsel’s failure to properly authenticate the document. See Fed. R. Evid. 901. 10
Finally, the “type and degree of anticipated interference with the military function” that judicial review would cause is significantly burdensome. Any interference with a deployment order injects the Court directly into the internal affairs of the military. This type of interference has serious implications. For example, it would encourage other soldiers who are not satisfied with their deployment destination to seek review in the courts. It also will have an adverse effect on other soldiers who honorably perform their duties. Presumably, some other military doctor, who does not resort to frivolous litigation to question the President’s legitimacy as Commander in Chief, would be required to go to Iraq in Plaintiff’s place. Similarly, the doctor who Plaintiff is being sent to relieve and who has likely been there for months would be delayed in receiving his well deserved leave because his replacement seeks special treatment due to her political views or reservations about being placed in harm’s way. “It is not difficult to see that the exercise of such jurisdiction as is here urged would be a disruptive force as to affairs peculiarly within the jurisdiction of the military authorities.” Orloff, 345 U.S. at 94-95.
Based on an evaluation of all of these factors, the Court concludes that it must abstain from interfering with the Army’s deployment orders. Accordingly, Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order is denied, and her complaint is dismissed in its entirety.
II. Failure to Satisfy Elements for Temporary Restraining Order
Even if the Court did not abstain from deciding the merits of Plaintiff’s claim, the Court finds that Plaintiff has failed to establish her entitlement to a temporary restraining order.
Plaintiff must establish the following to obtain a temporary restraining order:
(1) [Plaintiff] has a substantial likelihood of success on the merits;
(2) irreparable injury will be suffered unless the injunction issues;
(3) the threatened injury to [Plaintiff] outweighs whatever damage the proposed injunction may cause the opposing party; and
(4) if issued, the injunction would not be adverse to the public interest.Schiavo ex rel. Schindler v. Schiavo, 403 F.3d 1223, 1231 (11th Cir. 2005).
As explained previously, Plaintiff has demonstrated no likelihood of success on the merits. Her claims are based on sheer conjecture and speculation. She alleges no factual basis for her “hunch” or “feeling” or subjective belief that the President was not born in the United States. Moreover, she cites no legal authority supporting her bold contention that the alleged “cloud” over the President’s birthplace amounts to a violation of her individual constitutional rights. Thus, for these reasons alone, she is not
entitled to a temporary restraining order.Second, as previously noted, the Court’s refusal to interfere with Plaintiff’s deployment orders does not pose a substantial threat of irreparable injury to her. Plaintiff does not seek to be discharged and apparently is willing to follow all orders from her military command except for any order that deploys her to Iraq.
Although close proximity to any combat zone certainly involves personal danger, Plaintiff, somewhat disingenuously, claims that fear is not her motivation for avoiding her military duty. She insists that she would have no qualms about fulfilling her duties if President George W. Bush was still in office. The Court cannot find from the present record that deployment to Iraq under the current administration will subject Plaintiff to any threat of harm that is different than the harm to which she would be exposed if another candidate had won the election. A substantial threat of irreparable harm related to her desire not to serve in Iraq under the current President simply does not exist.
Third, any potential threatened injury that may be caused to Plaintiff by the denial of the temporary restraining order certainly does not outweigh the harm that will result if the injunction is granted. As mentioned previously, the threatened injury to Plaintiff is not substantial; yet if the temporary restraining order was granted, the harmful interference with military operations would be significant.
Finally, Plaintiff has failed to establish that the granting of the temporary restraining order will not be adverse to the public interest. A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.For all of these reasons, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order should be denied.
CONCLUSION
For the reasons previously stated, Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order is denied and Plaintiff’s complaint is dismissed in its entirety. Defendants shall recover their costs from Plaintiff. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 54(d).
IT IS SO ORDERED, this 16th day of September, 2009. S/Clay D. Land
CLAY D. LAND
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
Taitz has faced equally hostile comments from the media:
For the full story, click here.
“For God For Country”
Phony patriotism is the first sign of a fraud, jimmy/bd. You know what a fraud is don’t you? Someone who claims military service when they’ve never been in. Someone who claims to be black in order to appear to bemore credible in denigrating the President. Someone who threatens to take revenge on the identity of someone who disagrees with them.
Now through all the inane/lame argument, through all the lies and through all the vitriol trying to hide the racist, anti-American basis of you phony attacks comes one true statement:
“You see, none of the postings left by BIRTHER contain the word “troll.””
This is totally true, but if you think it is prescient it merely exposes your total ignorance and/or incompetence. He/she never used the word troll because she/he was the troll being referred to.
As Vince provided:
“I then found that wiki says: “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
I delight in the fact that through my small efforts the tables got turned on you all and in your “emotional responses” and your general ineptitude you unmasked yourselves. Getting a new handle and IP address doesn’t change the facts that you all are dumb losers and/or paid whores.
Silly rabbits.
The demon of fascism is the angel of liberty.
Buddha said; “Hiding ones true name is the first trick a demon learns.”
Is your true name “Buddha is Laughing”, or are you a demon?
I guess we could say your statement is self-explanatory.
I think Vince meant “the Birther postings” as reference to the whole thread and not to your specific posts “Birther” but thanks for the confirmation of your identity!
According to South Dakota’s senior Senator, Tim Johnson, court rulings and historical documentation no longer have ‘Standing” to interpret our laws, the lame steam media & liberal leftist internet sites are charge of these duties now.
Yep, you read that right and I am just beside myself at this point after reading the latest correspondence/political rhetoric from Johnson’s office. No where did they even attempt to address/refute the historical references I provided them with proper corresponding historical/factual findings.
Nope, Na Da, go away sucker because we are ABOVE the rule of law and you can’t touch us.
Well, sorry to burst their bubble, as I did in an immediate phone call to his office, but they can not continue to make claims without factual, historical references to back their claims and they have been called on their ineptness in upholding the Constitution & the Rule of Law.
In ALL of my correspondence, I supplied Sen. Johnson & his staff with congressional records & numerous hitoricaldocuments along with Supreme Court Justice opinions and commentaryand this is what they come back at me with:
“Thank you for contacting me regarding Internet rumors, I appreciate hearing from you.”
after I sent him this:
But, even if he had renounced those citizenships when he came of age in 1979, under the definition, he could have never held any other US citizenship, other than that of, “citizen by way of birth on the soil only” under the 14th Amendment which we will get to shortly.
Citizenship at birth can never be changed. History and research are very clear on this point. However, the actions of the person once they become of age, come into play as to qualifications for any elected office, thus the reason for the 14 year requirement in Article II, Section 1, Clause V.
Thus we are back to: “Why BHO aka BHS cannot be a “natural born” citizen under the 14th Amendment”.
Historical Fact #6: According to the US Legislature, the definition of “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was defined as “Not owing allegiance to anybody else”. Therefore, that rule prevents us from interpreting “natural born” under the 14thAmendment because it eliminates the possibility of a child being born with more than one allegiance. Remember, BHO aka BHS held dual allegiances at birth. He, himself has publically acknowledged the fact that his father was a British Subject at the time of BHO’s birth, therefore he, himself was also a British subject at birth.
The purpose of the Fourteenth Amendments first section was to end the denial of those fundamental rights that belong to all citizens by virtue of their citizenship under Article IV, Sec. II of the U.S. Constitution, it was imperative to first define citizenship of the United States. Otherwise, a State could refuse to recognize newly emancipated slaves as citizens by withholding the right to sue, make contracts, due process, purchase property, etc. Therefore, the Fourteenth Amendment acts to recognize all persons naturalized or born to citizens of the United States as citizens.
The primary author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob M. Howard (elected as a Whig to the Twenty-seventh Congress (March 4, 1841-March 3, 1843); elected as a Republican to the United States Senate to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Kinsley S. Bingham; reelected in 1865 and served from January 17, 1862, to March 3, 1871), said during the drafting:
“The word jurisdiction, as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the Executive, or by the Judicial Department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States.”
In 1866, under Sec. 1992 of the revised statutes, the same Congress confirmed and adopted as law the principle in regards to determining citizenship at the time of birth:
“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be “citizens” of the United States.”[note the word citizen, not “natural born citizen”]
Essentially, what this means is that in order to be a “citizen” under the 14th Amendment, one must renounce any other allegiances so that their US citizenship is solely under the “jurisdiction” of the United States. In fact, controversy at the time due to dual allegiances was so great that Congress, in a joint congressional report on June 22, 1874 said:
“The United States have not recognized double allegiance”
Rep. Bingham commenting on Sec. 1992 said during debate on the difference between ‘natural born” and ‘born” citizenships under the 14th Amendment:
“It means every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of “parents” [emphasis plural] not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of our Constitution itself, a “natural born” citizen.”
Then, Sen. Johnson & his staff conveniently leave out the fact that just last year, the Senate voted unanimously that it took 2 American parents for a citizen to be natural born. Atleast, that is what they said when that determined McCain eligible when they passed Senate Resolution 511. And they also did not go to the DOJ as many Senators & Congressmen have claimed. Read the Senate committee minutes for yourself. They went to director of Homeland Security, Chertoff for their interpretation as to NBC:
Mr Leahy speaking: Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former Federal judge…
I ask, what was their problem in going to the current DOJ? Why would they use a Homeland Security director to interpret the law?
But more importantly, why now, all of a sudden when it comes to interpreting Obama’s eligibility one only needs 1 parent to be American? Geez, will they make up their minds already!
They also cast aside that pesky ’subject to the jurisdiction’ clause of American citizenship under the 14th Amendment which would require birth to be on US soil.
Senator Johnson & his staff have a lot of explaining to do to try and dig their way out of this one and I will be waiting patiently for their reply to my many questions that are now in their hands.
Also, I am confident that I can now conclude that to Senator Johnson, our blessed Constitution is nothing more than an Internet rumor to be cast aside and having no relevance to our laws today. He obviously sides with Bush’s interpretation of it a few years back when he called it:
“Just a GD piece of paper”
http://constitutionallyspeaking.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/scan00991.jpg
Hiding ones true name is the first trick a demon learns.
Funny, a friend of mine saw the BIRTHER postings and asked me “what’s a liar?”. I told him “Somebody who claims that the question “what’s a troll?” came from reading the BIRTHER postings.
You see, none of the postings left by BIRTHER contain the word “troll”, therefore it can be resonably deduced that the question of “what’s a troll?” had to come from reading the postings of someone other than BIRTHER.
A friend read the BIRTHER postings up above and asked me “what’s a “troll”?
My answer was “An anonymous poster who cuts and copies stuff from the web, usually without attribution or links, and pastes it up on the blog.”
I then found that wiki says: “In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.”
Wiki relates this to the saying “Do not feed the troll.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
So enter a new troll, FGFC, from under the bridge stage right.
FGFC asks, “Does Fukino’s & Okubo’s silence indicate they believe Obama has committed a crime?”
Answer: “No.”
Next question.
The reason at the link provided is moronic in the extreme. They argue that [quote]“Fukino and Okubo are refraining from releasing the information for the following reason, mentioned in the same section:
(b) The following are examples of information in which the individual has a significant privacy interest:
…
(2) Information identifiable as part of an investigation into a possible violation of criminal law, except to the extent that disclosure is necessary to prosecute the violation or to continue the investigation;” [unquote]
They go on to say “Hence, it seems only reasonable that if Dr. Fukino and Janice Okubo have a rational basis in Hawaiian Law for not releasing to the general public the information which regards Fukino’s public statements, it can only be that they understand the information would lead to the prosecution of Barack Obama for some sort of crime.”
Please follow the skid marks at this argument goes off the highway and over the cliff into the ocean.
Since ONE reason [OF MANY] for not releasing information COULD be that SOMEONE might be prosecuted for a crime, THEREFORE the officials are not releasing it BECAUSE is would lead to the prosecution of the President for a crime.
That is a ridiculous argument. Nothing of the sort follows from their premise.
But the headline alone is enough to create yet another birther myth for the internet.
Appalling.
Does Fukino’s & Okubo’s silence indicate they believe Obama has committed a crime?
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/does-fukinos-okubos-silence-indicate-they-believe-obama-has-committed-a-crime/
Here is an editorial written by Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memorandum (TPM) on their excellent ongoing coverage of the birthers:
QUOTE
A Fool and His Money
Josh Marshall | September 25, 2009, 11:19PM
Gary Kreep
After we published our story about the new ‘birther’ informercial running in a number of local TV markets in the South, a reader wrote in to say: Hey, it’s not funny. This is a deliberate and shameful effort to denigrate and erode people’s belief in the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency.
I was taken aback a bit at first. Because I agree. The mix of nihilism, know-nothingism and racism fueling the birther movement is shocking to behold. But as to funny or shameful, my only quibble is that I’m not sure we have to choose. And it turns out there’s a third option.
You don’t have to look to hard at the informercial to see that while it may be shameful and it may be funny, it pretty clearly looks like an effort to separate a lot of hyped-up birther rubes from their money, quite possibly to pad the wallets of those in the rube hyping business. First of all, the pitch in the informercial is that for a mere $30 you will receive a birther bumper sticker and your name added to a spam fax sent to the Justice Department and the 50 state attorneys general.
But that’s not the only reason.
The guy at the center of the informercial is a California lawyer named Gary Kreep, the head of something called the United States Justice Foundation. But it turns out this is not the first time TPMmuckraker has come across the work of the aptly named Kreep.
Back in March 2008 we found him running a robocall operation called the Republican Majority Campaign, then running a scattershot campaign of robocalls against both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The RMC also seemed awfully similar to and had a lot of weird connections to those bogus groups has-been Republican luminary Linda Chavez and her husband had recently been discovered running — the ones that actually did little to nothing in the way of political work but provided Chavez and her family a steady income. UNQUOTE
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/09/a_fool_and_his_money.php#more?ref=fpblg
This is from the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA, SOUTHERN DIVISION, in the case of
CAPTAIN PAMELA BARNETT, et al., Plaintiffs, v. BARACK H. OBAMA, et al., Defendants.
From the Government’s Reply Memo to Attorney Gary Kreep:
QUOTE Finally, the arguments made by these Plaintiffs, in large measure, completely ignore the fact that Barack Obama is the President of the United States and seek to treat him as simply a candidate for the Office. Try as they might, Plaintiffs cannot conceal the fact that what they are really seeking in this case is nothing less than a determination by this United States District Court that President Obama should be removed from Office. No single United States District Court has the power to try the question of whether a sitting President of the United States should be allowed to remain in Office. As previously set forth in Defendants’ Motion, Plaintiffs have presented a non-justiciable political question, committed by the very text of the Constitution to Congress, which cannot be litigated in this, or any other court. See Motion to Dismiss at pages 15-16, and cases cited therein.
As set forth in Defendants’ Reply Memorandum To The Opposition Filed By All Plaintiffs, Except Drake And Robinson (simultaneously being filed herewith) if this Court were to hold that it had the power to try the question of whether a sitting President of the United States is fit or qualified to remain in Office, or whether he should be removed from Office, the political life of this country would be exposed to chaos. If a court did have such power, anyone with a political agenda and a filing fee, could file an action or, indeed, multiple actions in any one of the 93 Judicial Districts in the United States, alleging, for various legal or factual reasons, that the President was not fit to continue to serve. Such cases could subject the President to a barrage of discovery, and other pre-trial proceedings, not to mention trial in multiple districts throughout the United States. Moreover, where, as here, multiple cases in multiple districts throughout the United States seek adjudication of the same allegations regarding the fitness and qualifications of the President to continue to serve in Office, the danger of conflicting judgments from such courts is obvious.
In short, a holding that cases such as this are justiciable would create a virtual engine of destruction of our Constitutional system of separation of powers, and of the ability of the President to effectively function. UNQUOTE
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/keyesbarnett-v-obama-doc-73-defendants%E2%80%99-reply-memorandum-to-opposition-filed-by-plaintiffs-drake-and-robinson/
This is very well stated. No single District Court has the power to try the question whether a President should remain in office. As argued above in this and other threads, that power was committed to the House and the Senate in the text of the Constitution granting Congress the sole power of impeachment and removal of the President.
The topic is discussed in a through manner. I say there is no harm in letting those wishing to discuss birther issues in the future be referred to this and the Major General thread as definitive and then letting them stew in it. The readers intrepid enough to follow all of both threads and honest enough to admit the truth of issues cannot come to any other conclusion than Vince is the victor. The truth will out. And that truth is the trolls were made to yell “Uncle!” In my opinion, feeding the trolls on this bait no longer serves any purpose but lend them credence as their defeat as it stands is most resounding. Now they are just flinging crap at the walls to see if they can make anything stick. Desperate tactics from the defeated.
So bdaman and Jimmy B retire from the field and suddenly “for God and country” shows up? I wish that I could believe in coincidence, but the skeptic in me can’t. –Mike Spindell
Yes agreed, the tag team timing is analogous to substitutions in sports.
Anyone think it’s high time we just ignore them? –Mike Spindell
That would be a trick. From the site that doesn’t suffer fools?
What would be the criteria be for allowing counter points to go unexplored? The same as it is now, on a personnel basis, thread by thread post by post?
John Milton also argued that if the facts are laid bare, truth will defeat falsehood in open competition, but this cannot be left for a single individual to determine. According to Milton, it is up to each individual to uncover their own truth; no one is wise enough to act as a censor for all individuals.– from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
Smell blood, whispered the pilot fish?
BIL, the brief describes Lindsey Graham as a Colonel in the Reserves.
This is in clear violation of Article I, section 6, of the Constitution, which provides that “no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuancy in Office.”
So bdaman and Jimmy B retire from the field and suddenly “for God and country” shows up? I wish that I could believe in coincidence, but the skeptic in me can’t. This group of trolls just needs to perpetuate itself at all costs, or at the cost of their paymaster. Anyone think it’s high time we just ignore them?
Way up above, on September 18, 2009 at 9:04 am, I wrote that Donofrio suggested interrogatories to Members of Congress and Vice President Cheney on the counting of the Electoral Votes.
Well, Orly Taitz is now preparing for an October 5 hearing on her case before Judge Carter. How about Leo’s suggestion, Orly?
[Quote on] In regards to Leo Donofrio’s suggestion to send interrogatories to the whole Congress and Senate. I asked Leo, if he can practically help doing that, but he stated that he can’t. [unquote] http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4479
Orly has had the old Donofrio rug pulled out from under her. Very embarrassing.
I noted elsewhere, up above, that interrogatories and depositions of the Members and Cheney would have been a blatant violation of Speech or Debate Clause immunity, and would never have been allowed, September 22, 2009 at 8:55 am, September 22, 2009 at 1:03 pm, and September 23, 2009 at 8:58 am.
So Leo’s suggestion was totally unconstitutional. His cold shoulder to Orly may indicate that he no may longer see any merit in it.
The famed gambler has decided to cut his losses and toss in his cards on this particular poker hand.
For God For Country,
It’s a good thing that an amicus brief has all the power of a tissue in a hurricane. It’s also nice to know that Sen. Lindsey Graham thinks that violating the Constitution can be done because a couple of grunts agree with his fascist agenda.
Pop! Fizzzzzzzz.
Thanks for revealing your employer.
It is my pleasure to forward to you the attached copy of the amicus curiae brief which we filed with the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on behalf of the Special Operations community on Monday evening.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/images/pdf/maqaleh_%20amicus_as_filed.pdf
Bdaman,
Good luck. You helped add substantive length to 2 major threads and I learned from some of the exchanges.
I have conceded many times in my life and often it is the wisest course. Remember, a concession does not necessarily equal a defeat or I would clearly be a defeated man.