In Loco Parentis: School Arranges for Teenager’s Abortion During School Hours Without Notifying Parents

Ballard High School in Seattle, Washington has triggered a dispute over parental rights when it arranged for an abortion of a teenage girl during school hours without notifying her parents. While the parents signed a consent form to allow her to use the clinic, they never agreed that such trips to the nurse would include an abortion.

The school put the teenager in a taxi and arranged for the abortion at a site another location.

T.J. Cosgrove of the King County Health Department noted that “[a]t any age in the state of Washington, an individual can consent to a termination of pregnancy.”

I have long opposed such a sweeping rule and denial of parental rights. In some states a school needs parental permission to give a girl an aspirin but not an abortion. For a prior column, click here. While I support the right of a teenager to seek a court exception for parental notification, I believe parents have a right to be informed of such a procedure at a minimum.

For the full story, click here.

141 thoughts on “In Loco Parentis: School Arranges for Teenager’s Abortion During School Hours Without Notifying Parents”

  1. Thanks, FFLeo. That anyone would threaten to spit in your face is obscene to me, and I support JT’s call here. I can only hope that I was the referenced “idiot” so as to be classified in some lesser way with you.

    “Roman Catholicism is even worse than Atheism itself, in my opinion! Yes, that’s my opinion! Atheism only preaches a negation, but Catholicism goes further: it preaches a distorted Christ, a Christ calumniated and defamed by themselves, the opposite of Christ! It preaches the Antichrist, I declare it does, I assure you it does! This is the conviction I have long held, and it has distressed me, myself… Roman Catholicism cannot hold its position without universal political supremacy, and cries: ‘Non possumus!’ To my thinking Roman Catholicism is not even a religion, but simply the continuation of the Western Roman Empire, and everything in it is subordinated to that idea, faith to begin with.”

    ~Fyodor Dostoevsky (The Idiot)

  2. IMMAC and I feel as if we’ve walked into another Biker Bar.

    Former Federal lEO has always been a polite poster impervious to manipulation. Any attempt to provoke him is a waste of time. His reactions are always measured and his words tempered by his years of experience in LE.

    However, the figurative use of words threatening the use of bullets or spittle is irresponsible. One can make the point intended with less violent verbiage … all it takes is imagination and vocabulary.

    Very good advice follows:
    “Some jurisdictions might consider the threat of—and then the actual spitting upon another human as an assault (the threat) and battery (the spitting)” (FFLEO)

    If I were using this thread as a Home School lesson, that is the message I would emphasize.

  3. S&T said:
    “Belief in God has existed longer than anyone of us will ever know. How arrogant and presumptuous of you to assume you know better.”

    Yes, I believe that I know better than people who lived thousands of years ago – don’t you?

  4. Mespo,

    The phrase that caused the ruckus was as Professor Turley stated above. I intended my comment about his fairness to illustrate that he was trying to be *exceptionally* fair by allowing the standing of the retort that if S&T could meet me in person she would “spit in my face.” I was okay with the post staying because it served as a characterization of the poster’s motivation. Nevertheless, that is about as strong a use of an ad hominem as I have seen here and had Prof let it stand, others who have had posts deleted for less might have considered that policy—in this case—as a double-standard.


    Again, we all must remember what Vince Treacy stated (approximately)

    1) Professor Turley makes the Rules

    2) Any doubts or questions see #1 above


    What concerns me the most is that Prof Turley must take the time to oversee our comments, he simply does not have that time, and we should not subject him to that unpleasant task.

    S&T and Lady Liberty, I hold no grudges and you must understand that–right or wrong–I have heard worse comments during my LE duties and most LEOs are trained to accept that someone might like to spit on them (not an uncommon phrase), although that a person would actually perform the act is not acceptable for many reasons. Some jurisdictions might consider the threat of—and then the actual spitting upon another human as an assault (the threat) and battery (the spitting).

  5. Sick and Tired,

    Allow me to second Byron’s comments from the other side of the aisle – he and I don’t see eye to eye on much and some of our initial interactions were a bit mean (sorry for that, Byron), but he has earned my respect and even when I disagree with him, I wont disrespect him. Stay here and defend your ideas to the best of your ability and you’ll do fine…

    (Bryon, still looking forward to getting back to environmental policy someday – if no one posts on the 120% thread soon I may try to de-hijack it…)

    S&T said:

    “And why not throw the flying-spaghetti-monster story at her too while were talking about illogical statements.”

    Don’t disrespect the Flying Spaghetti Monster lest he smite you with his noodlely appendage…

    S&T said:

    “Faith can’t be irrational, that’s why it’s called faith–look it up. ”

    Good idea. says:

    1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another’s ability.

    2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

    3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

    4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

    5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

    6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

    7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one’s promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

    8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

    I see nothing in here that implies that faith cannot be irrational. If I truly believe that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow then I have faith, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is irrational.

    S&T said:

    “Slartibartfast: there is a difference between an innocent life and a guilty one.”

    So you’re implying that a doctor who performed a legal medical procedure was guilty and deserved to be gunned down in cold blood in front of his congregation?


    Enjoy your sausage and beer! Remember if you have enough beer it wont matter that the sausages are bad…


    You’re making my mouth water…

  6. Buddha:

    I recommend you get rafflaw to send you an Italian Beef sandwich from this place called “Al’s #1 Italian Beef” in Chicago. I just got some of the “secret” rub from a friend returning from Chicago and made a couple. They are great!

  7. Gyges:

    I bet you have a freezer full of Elk sausages, maybe some deer and antelope as well?

    Can you make them in the European style? Or do you just pack em and stack em?

  8. Be forewarned. I can and do perform other magic tricks and so can many of the other regular posters, Some objects in mirror may be closer than you think. Some may not be there at all.

    There is an unwritten rule that you should be aware of as well.

    Be prepared for rigorous often rough debate. While direct insult is not allowed, offense is not only allowed but expected in a free speech forum. This is a room full of trained and untrained critical thinkers. Logicians, researchers, people with good sense coming from varied personal and professional backgrounds. From attorneys to musicians to librarians to law enforcement to teachers to social workers to engineers to scientists to people who have never stated their profession. The one thing in common is that most are curious people with serious skills and experience. Liberal, conservative, nihilist, whatever. You should come prepared with your unbiased verified (or at least verifiable) facts lined out. As we tend to shred propaganda from any source, the use of non-propaganda sources is encouraged. Have your logics straight before getting on this ride. Keep your hands in the car at all times. And there are rules for logic if you look into the subject. Otherwise? It’s real bumpy.

  9. Lady Liberty:

    “I got tired of irrelevant arguments about whether I agree 100% with Objectivism.”

    You don’t? Why the F. . . .k not? That is a problem with it isn’t it. In some cases they can be as dogmatic as any religious zealot.

    But the flame cannot choose which moths are attracted to it.

  10. Now FFLeo, you’ve gotten my curiosity to fever pitch. Could you give me the expletive redacted summary?

  11. I request that you post your comments again just as it was without any modification whatsoever. Please ensure that you note that I strongly requested that you post it again and Professor Turley can remove me along with your post, if he so chooses.

    Thank you.

    1. The one entry that I deleted referred to wanting to spit in someone’s face and calling another person an “idiot.” All views are welcomed on this blog so long as they are civil. If you want to tell people you want to spit in their face or call them idiots, this blog is not gong to be a good fit.

  12. Buddha,

    Steak, burgers, lamb, cheesecake, chocolate, cheese, pizza, etc.
    Coincidentally, I’m rereading “The Brewmaster’s Table.”

  13. ” P.S. To Former Federal, Anonymously Yours, and Canadian: just glad you got to see the post before it was removed ”
    – Cassandra/Sick & Tired

    I did see the post, and while I was a little shocked initially, it rolled right off of me. I expressed my opinions, and I expressed some facts that you and Lady Liberty disagreed with. That is your right, however there is a civility rule on here for a reason. Disagree with whomever you wish but stay away from the name calling.

  14. lol


    As ever, the practical thinker. What would we have with the beer if we only have bad sausage?

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